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Flea_Man

05-26-2006, 11:22 PM

Go see it. It's really good and it's worth the price of admission just to hear Juggernaut say his famous line "Don't you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"Also, stay after the credits. Something very big happens.  Juggernaut Bitch online sensation: <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3934651591022114445">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3934651591022114445</a>

mdr55

05-27-2006, 04:03 AM

What?

nevnut

05-27-2006, 05:40 AM

"I'm the Juggernaut, bitch" clip is a fuckin' riot. The honey and I was laughin' so loud, we woke the kid.

mdr55

05-27-2006, 06:19 AM

What happens after the credits?

IamFogHat

05-27-2006, 06:21 AM

First of all the movie rocks.  Don't believe this is the last one, they totally set up another sequal in the last shot.  Also, anyone who saw it through the credits please post it here with spoiler font or PM what happens, I didn't know to stay until i got home and read i should stay through the credits in Entertainment Weekly.

feralBoy

05-27-2006, 06:37 AM

I saw X-Men 3 last night.  I was pretty disappointed, but I expected to be.  It was the worst of the series.  In order I go.X2,X1,X3I thought the dialog was overly cheesy.  It's one thing to have Storm spout out cheesy lines, but when Magneto is spouting out cheesy lines, it really takes you out of the movie.  The score was RIDICULOUSLY bad.  Nothing compared to the first two movies where the music really took you into the movie.  The story was mediocre at best.  The was no real sense of continuity of the movie.  It just felt like you were jumping from scene to scene.  The actions of Magneto make absolutely NO sense.  Both emotionally and stategically.  The final battle scene was played so poorly by magneto I almost wanted to cry.  It just seemed like the actions of a madman, rather than a man fighting for a cause.There was a scene with pyro, and iceman, where they do the typical "battle of energies" scene, where they are locked in the middle, and you have to see who is going to be more powerful. I'm pretty sure I have seen that in 100 prior movies, and didn't need to see it again.  Couldn't that have been more creative?Some special effects looked worse in this movie, than the previous two.  Like wolverines claws, and collosus's metal looked fake.  I'm not sure why.  Maybe the budget was less because the actors wanted more money (understandably).  Or maybe there were just so many big special effects scenes, that they didn't have time for the little things.I feel like they took a good premise, and made the classic mistake of more is better.  More characters, more action, more explosions, but less of a story and overall sense of reason.With that being said, it's probably worth 10 bucks to see, but that's about it.

feralBoy

05-27-2006, 06:43 AM

****SPOILER****At the end of the movie, the guy they were talking about who was mostly dead in the emergency room.  Xavier entered his body.  So the scene is the doctor coming over to check on the patient, and xaviers voice comes through, and says something like "moira, it's xavier."  Moira being Xaviers ex-wife.  And that's it.

fezident

05-27-2006, 07:19 AM

It was really good but, not really GREAT. Something aboot it just felt so....made-for-tv.   I loved the whole "mutants can be cured" plot-line.  The Phoenix plot felt a bit like the old Star Trek tv show to me.  (All powerful being that needs to be reasoned with.)When I used to read the comic books, the Phoenix-Dark Phoenix plotlines were so gradual and interesting.  In the movie, it was reduced to a secondary plot.  I understand the need for that but, it could've been done a little better.  Especially since this is so OBVIOUSLY not the last installment.  I loved the growth of the students.  Seeing them master their powers over the course of two & three movies is very very cool.

Flea_Man

05-27-2006, 02:01 PM

The one thing I would have developed more is the little boy, Jason, and his storyline more about why he was born to cure mutants. Also, why did he trust the girl who can go through walls and not Juggernaut if he saved him? I wish they developed him more. Also, Jean Grey could barely lift a pencil in the first movie, now Xavier says she could lift every car in the neighborhood when she was 10? Kind of strange.

fezident

05-27-2006, 02:43 PM

Xavier put "mental blocks" on her in an effort to limit her powers.

yarpwizard

05-27-2006, 05:22 PM

This is real good summer movie, FINALLY!!!!!!!!!

HBox

05-27-2006, 05:52 PM

yarpwizard wrote: This is real good summer movie, FINALLY!!!!!!!!!  <img width="209" height="235" border="0" src="http://www.corporateartists.com/images/yakovsmirnoff.jpg" /> In Communist Russia, movies watch you!

FezPaul

05-27-2006, 06:10 PM

mdr55 wrote: What? http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/james-watt.jpg James Watt, developer, (not inventor) of the steam engine.

mohawk_mike

05-28-2006, 01:35 PM

i saw this movie last night and i thought it was pretty damn cooli just want to know where nightcrawler was?

RingWraith

05-28-2006, 09:04 PM

I thought this movie was OKAY at best.  With comic book movies, I expect so much from them, that I usually get disappointed.My only gripe for this movie was some of the special effects (especially the wire-stunts) made it look so fake.Although I do like the way Jean Grey looked in the red costume and Magneto/bridge scene.

Fallon

05-28-2006, 10:45 PM

Holy shit...

"LOS ANGELES - "X-Men: The Last Stand" stormed to an estimated $107 million three-day opening, the largest ever for Memorial Day weekend and the fourth-biggest in box office history."

Ndugu

05-29-2006, 04:31 AM

Holy shit... "LOS ANGELES - "X-Men: The Last Stand" stormed to an estimated $107 million three-day opening, the largest ever for Memorial Day weekend and the fourth-biggest in box office history."  eat that shit joel siegel you cynical old fuck 

This message was edited by Ndugu on 5-29-06 @ 8:31 AM

Flea_Man

05-29-2006, 04:59 AM

Ndugu wrote: Holy shit... "LOS ANGELES - "X-Men: The Last Stand" stormed to an estimated $107 million three-day opening, the largest ever for Memorial Day weekend and the fourth-biggest in box office history."  eat that shit joel siegel you cynical old fuck This message was edited by Ndugu on 5-29-06 @ 8:31 AM hahahahahahaha<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" />

stickyfingers

05-29-2006, 06:58 AM

the one last scene with the guy playing chess looked like they were setting up a sequel called "Grumpy Old X-Men"

Badinia

05-29-2006, 07:32 AM

mohawk_mike wrote: i just want to know where nightcrawler was?  Alan Cumming disliked spending a jillion hours in the makeup chair for Nightcrawler, and opted out of this one.   He was also surprised at the secrecy around X-2, and the fact that he had to 1. Sit in a chair for 8 hours and 2. Was asked to wear a cloak when he was off-set, when the Nightcrawler costume was, as he put it, "Blue.  That's the beeg saicret.  I'm blue."  I missed him, too.   I really liked the movie- it's true that it lacks the "resonance" of the first two, but you get a lot of Wolverine ass-kicking, Beast is pretty great, the "Monk's reward" at the end is neat-o, and Phoenix is the ULTIMATE hot psycho chick that Ron has been dreaming of.  And not to be a *SPOILER*, but I've often had the problem where I loved someone so much I had to kill them.  I'm just sayin'.

This message was edited by Badinia on 5-29-06 @ 11:33 AM

TheQuestion

05-29-2006, 07:38 AM

I'm sure X3 is an enjoyable summer movie but for some reason I have no desire to go see it.  I'll watch it when it comes on cable and I'll probably like it, but it's just not exciting me in any way.I guess it's just burnout on the whole X-Men franchise.

TheMojoPin

05-29-2006, 07:53 AM

What he said.Superman Returns, on the other hand, I'm almost peeing my pants waiting for.  Bryan Singer's gonna make Marvel pay and show them how stupid it was to not put X3 on hold for SIX FUCKIN' MONTHS while he went and directed SR.  Idiots.

booster11373

05-29-2006, 04:39 PM

This movie sucked on so many levels. just to name a few.The digital face-lifts that they gave Prof. X and Magneto for the flashback scene were really disturbing and obvious.The whole Jean has 2 personalities was just silly and unnecessary.The Angel character was also useless and unnecessary.

JustJon

05-30-2006, 07:34 AM

I really, really didn't like it.  I thought the story was ok (a combination of Whedon's Cure story and Dark Phoenix), but there was so much just thrown out there without any resonance.  3 characters died and I just didn't care.  In Singer's X-Men, I actually cared about the characters and when Jean dies, it means something.  When the first character dies (I'll be nice and not do too much spoilerage), I didn't care.  I didn't get the feel that they loved each other, they meet, they kiss, one dies.There's a new love triangle in the series, and it lasted an entire 3 scenes.  One character goes for the cure, but they show one scene where she says she'll go, one where she's headed to the clinic, and then the last scene she's in.  Explore the implications of her choice, not "don't do it for a boy."

Doctor Manhattan

06-01-2006, 06:43 AM

Okay. I am not an Xmen comic book reader. I found this on IMDB's comments section. Could someone explain why the movie handled these things incorrectly?Spoiler font begins->From a list of the "deaths" in the movie:Cyclops: Phoenix kills him in the first 15 mins. His death is never seen. He dies like a punk. Totally inappropriate. Anyone who's read a comic would/should know this wouldn't work.Jean: Ends up getting stabbed by Logan at the end (another huge no-no if you've read the comics)Thanks!

EliSnow

06-01-2006, 07:14 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: Okay. I am not an Xmen comic book reader. I found this on IMDB's comments section. Could someone explain why the movie handled these things incorrectly?Spoiler font begins->From a list of the "deaths" in the movie:Cyclops: Phoenix kills him in the first 15 mins. His death is never seen. He dies like a punk. Totally inappropriate. Anyone who's read a comic would/should know this wouldn't work.Jean: Ends up getting stabbed by Logan at the end (another huge no-no if you've read the comics)Thanks!Why I read the spoilers before I saw the movie, I don't know, but here are my responses:1) The movie can't handle it "incorrectly."  It is a different continuity, and they can add changes to the character that they believe make the movie better.2)  With regard to the second spoiler, I don't think that the development was inconsistent with the comic books.  Yes, in the Dark Phoenix storyline, Wolverine couldn't do what he did in the movie, but in subsequent stories, Wolverine has (SPOILER TEXT) killed Jean and another woman he loved with his claws to spare them a more painful death.

JustJon

06-01-2006, 08:29 AM

Why wouldn't Logan do it?  He did stab Rachel Grey once in the comics...

EliSnow

06-01-2006, 08:38 AM

JustJon wrote: Why wouldn't Logan do it?  He did stab Rachel Grey once in the comics... I think people are pointing out that in the Dark Phoenix storyline, Wolverine couldn't stab Jean, and thus, since he couldn't do it in the original storyline, he shouldn't be able to do it in a story adapting that storyline.

Doctor Manhattan

06-01-2006, 09:26 AM

Is it that Logan couldn't do it or wouldn't do it? That is what I don't understand.And thanks for pointing out that this being a movie should remove some of the comparision between this and the comic. You can't tell stories in the same way in different media. People forget/ignore this.The user on IMDB said these things were not done correctly based on the comics but didn't explain himself.

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 6-1-06 @ 1:31 PM

EliSnow

06-01-2006, 09:33 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: Is it that Logan couldn't do it or wouldn't do it? That is what I don't understand. This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 6-1-06 @ 1:31 PM  Who knows what the person meant.  Maybe both.  In the original Dark Phoenix storyline, Wolverine couldn't bring himself to kill Jean, even though he knew that she could kill them all.

DarkHippie

06-01-2006, 09:44 AM

I wonder if Angel was in the movie to set up the next movie, which will probably have Apocalypse

JustJon

06-01-2006, 09:44 AM

And if you'll recall, he couldn't do it in the medical bay either in the movie.

EliSnow

06-01-2006, 09:49 AM

DarkHippie wrote: I wonder if Angel was in the movie to set up the next movie, which will probably have Apocalypse Word is that there will be no next movie.

JustJon

06-01-2006, 09:53 AM

DarkHippie wrote: I wonder if Angel was in the movie to set up the next movie, which will probably have Apocalypse  Next movie is the Wolverine spin-off, followed by the Magneto spin-off.  No direct sequels planned currently.  Rumored reason is that Marvel wants a more equitable stake in the movie franchise.

blakjeezis

06-01-2006, 09:54 AM

Avi Arad quoted today over at <a href="http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/060601n.php" target="_blank">Dark Horizons</a>: "There's always a chance of an X-MEN sequel. It's more of an issue of what is the next X-Men story, and when to do it. There are an endless amount of stories and great sagas that can go into the future, the past, and the present. There are so many more characters that we didn't deal with yet. I would not preclude anything".

This message was edited by blakjeezis on 6-1-06 @ 1:54 PM

EliSnow

06-01-2006, 09:59 AM

blakjeezis wrote: Avi Arad quoted today over at <a href="http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/060601n.php" target="_blank">Dark Horizons</a>: "There's always a chance of an X-MEN sequel. It's more of an issue of what is the next X-Men story, and when to do it. There are an endless amount of stories and great sagas that can go into the future, the past, and the present. There are so many more characters that we didn't deal with yet. I would not preclude anything". This message was edited by blakjeezis on 6-1-06 @ 1:54 PM The problem is that Avi Arad resigned his position (although he still will produce some movies) and it is implied from this langage that they have no plans for an X-Men sequel.  He's just saying that there may be one eventually.

Doctor Manhattan

06-01-2006, 10:17 AM

JustJon wrote: And if you'll recall, he couldn't do it in the medical bay either in the movie. Do you mean Logan?

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 6-1-06 @ 2:17 PM

JustJon

06-01-2006, 10:27 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: JustJon wrote: And if you'll recall, he couldn't do it in the medical bay either in the movie. Do you mean Logan?

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 6-1-06 @ 2:17 PM  It's not like Prof X was going to try to kill her.

Doctor Manhattan

06-01-2006, 12:04 PM

I didn't see the movie, so I wasn't sure who was in that scene.

DarkHippie

06-01-2006, 12:33 PM

JustJon wrote:  DarkHippie wrote: I wonder if Angel was in the movie to set up the next movie, which will probably have Apocalypse   Next movie is the Wolverine spin-off, followed by the Magneto spin-off.  No direct sequels planned currently.  Rumored reason is that Marvel wants a more equitable stake in the movie franchise. How about a Shadowcat sequel?  We need more Kitty!!!

JustJon

06-01-2006, 01:20 PM

Kitty was in the movie?  I thought it was another movie with a Kitty cameo.

feralBoy

06-01-2006, 01:36 PM

JustJon wrote: Kitty was in the movie?  I thought it was another movie with a Kitty cameo. Kitty was in every x-men movie.  Each time played by a different person.

JustJon

06-02-2006, 06:27 AM

feralBoy wrote: JustJon wrote: Kitty was in the movie? I thought it was another movie with a Kitty cameo. Kitty was in every x-men movie. Each time played by a different person.  Yes, hence the "another." She's in the classroom in 1, she phases thru her bed in 2, then appears in about 3 scenes in 3.

Doctor Manhattan

06-02-2006, 09:56 AM

So Kitty will have a full role in X10

Sheeplovr

06-03-2006, 11:17 AM

Why did juggurnaut have a helmet if he wasn't professor X'es brother?and like isn't he powerful form magic not from being a mutant and hates mutants 
Why did they turn a State park (alcatraz) into a corperate lab?well
people sure are likeing the movie alot but I think this was alot liek
that batman cartoon they show on kids WB it's like soo off it is aweful
in every part well atleast i got that superman to look foward to

Don Stugots

06-03-2006, 11:38 AM

Superman on IMAX!!!!!

EliSnow

06-04-2006, 05:26 AM

Sheeplovr wrote: Why did juggurnaut have a helmet if he wasn't professor X'es brother?and like isn't he powerful form magic not from being a mutant and hates mutants Juggernaut got the helmet as part of the rest of the deal with grabbing the Cytorrak gem.  I don't think he necessarily got it because he was Xavier's brother.  It helped him against Xavier, but Xavier wasn't the reason he got it.Also, while in the main Marvel universe Juggernaut's powers were mystical, in the Ultimate universe, they weren't and he's a mutant.<a href="http://www.marvel.com/universe/Juggernaut_(Cain_Marko)">http://www.marvel.com/universe/Juggernaut_%28Cain_Marko%29</a>

Sheeplovr

06-04-2006, 06:22 AM

I don't think he necessarily got it because he was Xavier's brotherbut
i thought his helmet was so his borther cant get in his head makeing
him unstopable thats why defeating him is all about knocking off his
helmet and then they got him  Also, while in the
main Marvel universe Juggernaut's powers were mystical, in the Ultimate
universe, they weren't and he's a mutant.man the ultimate univere stinks on ice

EliSnow

06-04-2006, 06:32 AM

Sheeplovr wrote:  I don't think he necessarily got it because he was Xavier's brother  but i thought his helmet was so his borther cant get in his head makeing him unstopable thats why defeating him is all about knocking off his helmet and then they got him  Also, while in the main Marvel universe Juggernaut's powers were mystical, in the Ultimate universe, they weren't and he's a mutant.  man the ultimate univere stinks on ice With regard to the helmet question, he didn't get the helmet because Xavier had telepathic powers, he got the helmet as part of the package.   Yes, the helmet protects Juggy against telepathic attacks, but even if Xavier wasn't a telepath, Juggy still would have gotten the helmet because it was part of what was given to him.As for the Ultimate Universe, portions of it do stink, but there are a lot great things about it as well.  Most of the Ultimate Spider-man stuff blows away Spider-man stuff from the last 25 years.  The Ultimates really is phenomeonal work.

TheSoundAndFury

06-04-2006, 04:18 PM

This movie sucked. Period. There was litteraly no plot, a couple of fight scenes and Brett Ratner couldn't decide which of his two big stories he wanted to focus on so the plot became campy and convuluted. Superman is going to kill this movie and its for the exact reason that Mojo mentioned, Bryan Singer. That man flat out makes good superhero movies. That one looks no different. Here's hoping Ghost Rider is half way decent.

Furtherman

06-05-2006, 08:06 AM

I thought it was decent... this coming from someone who has no idea about the comics.Two things that really took me out of the picture.Wolverine leaves the school, on the east coast, on his motorcycle to go after Jean.  The next scene he is in the forests outside San Francisco.  He get his ass kicked, then, in the next scene, is back on the east coast at the school and get a "oh, you're back" line from Strom.  He didn't take the jet.  And I didn't like how Phoenix/Jean just kinda stood there at the final battle.  She eventually did, but for the most part just stood there and did nothing.Favorite scene: Magneto crushing that convoy.  Bad-ass.

Ndugu

06-05-2006, 08:09 AM

was the forest really supposed to be outside of san francisco?

DarkHippie

06-05-2006, 08:11 AM

Wolverine's claws allow him to cut plot holes into any story

Furtherman

06-05-2006, 08:12 AM

I think so, I mean, they walked out of the woods and there was the Golden Gate Bridge.  If it wasn't, there was no exposition in the film of travel. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICw7wWWKTFE&search=X-Men%20Last%20Stand%20ending" target="_blank">Star Trek: Recruiting Kelsey Grammer for X-Men 3</a>

Doctor Manhattan

06-05-2006, 11:50 AM

Furtherman wrote: I think so, I mean, they walked out of the woods and there was the Golden Gate Bridge.  If it wasn't, there was no exposition in the film of travel. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICw7wWWKTFE&search=X-Men%20Last%20Stand%20ending" target="_blank">Star Trek: Recruiting Kelsey Grammer for X-Men 3</a>I'll have to listen again, but I think someone dubbed in some of those lines. And they may have even added a shot from one of the older Star Trek movies.