Marvel Civil War Discussion [Archive] - RonFez.net Messageboard

booster11373

05-06-2006, 07:31 AM

At last this sort of addresses one of the main thing I have never liked about the Marvel U. Granted in a roundabout way.How is it that mutants get such slack for there genetic difference, going so far as trying to register them and put them in camps, Calling a mutant a Mutie is akin to calling a black person the N-word. General hate and mistrust from all.And Yet.Heroes like Captain America and the Avengers get a walk. The Fantastic Four are Celebrities in the Marvel U. Granted street level hero's get hassled ie. Spiderman and Daredevil by the press but that has always been more for taking the law in to there on hands and the danger it puts people in to not just how they were born. I'm not familiar with the Marvel U anymore to know if this carries over to other heroes but I am guessing it does.At least with Civil War there all being treated the same by the populace of the Marvel U as threats that need to be controledOr maybe I am just full of hot air

kdubya

05-06-2006, 08:56 AM

booster11373 wrote: At last this sort of addresses one of the main thing I have never liked about the Marvel U. Granted in a roundabout way.How is it that mutants get such slack for there genetic difference, going so far as trying to register them and put them in camps, Calling a mutant a Mutie is akin to calling a black person the N-word. General hate and mistrust from all.And Yet.Heroes like Captain America and the Avengers get a walk. The Fantastic Four are Celebrities in the Marvel U. Granted street level hero's get hassled ie. Spiderman and Daredevil by the press but that has always been more for taking the law in to there on hands and the danger it puts people in to not just how they were born. I'm not familiar with the Marvel U anymore to know if this carries over to other heroes but I am guessing it does.At least with Civil War there all being treated the same by the populace of the Marvel U as threats that need to be controledOr maybe I am just full of hot airI agree, it is addressing a key issue of the Marvel U. Marvel has always been kind of the grown up Universe, real issues being dealt with. Don't get me wrong I love DC, but Marvel has always been more "real".I am a big fan of Cap being the leader of the anti registration group. The line in the presidential briefing about how he landed the jet and bought the pilot lunch or whatever was classic.I ussualy stay away from big Marvel events, but think I will stick with this.

Tall_James

05-06-2006, 08:59 AM

I'm with Sheepy on this.  I read the first issue and was surprisingly intrigued.  However, I probably won't buy all of the tie-in issues that accompany the series.  I came into it thinking it was going to suck but since I believe they killed Speedball, that made it worth my while.

booster11373

05-06-2006, 12:35 PM

I also hope they don't take the easy way out of this and have the whole situation be some plot by some villains to stir up trouble. Like maybe they set up the confrontation on the reality TV show and a the mother of the killed kid is a villain in disguise, To me that would be just such a let down

DarkHippie

05-06-2006, 03:12 PM

booster11373 wrote: At last this sort of addresses one of the main thing I have never liked about the Marvel U. Granted in a roundabout way.How is it that mutants get such slack for there genetic difference, going so far as trying to register them and put them in camps, Calling a mutant a Mutie is akin to calling a black person the N-word. General hate and mistrust from all.And Yet.Heroes like Captain America and the Avengers get a walk. The Fantastic Four are Celebrities in the Marvel U. Granted street level hero's get hassled ie. Spiderman and Daredevil by the press but that has always been more for taking the law in to there on hands and the danger it puts people in to not just how they were born. I'm not familiar with the Marvel U anymore to know if this carries over to other heroes but I am guessing it does.At least with Civil War there all being treated the same by the populace of the Marvel U as threats that need to be controledOr maybe I am just full of hot airI've always thought that the fantastic 4 and the avengers get a pass because they work with the government.  Everyone else is on the other side.

Gvac

05-06-2006, 04:41 PM

I have to be honest - I never picked up any of the comics you guys recommended in the other thread when I said I wanted to buy a stack for old time's sake.  I probably haven't read a comic book in 15 years, but this is something I'm tempted to get.  I grew up in the 70's when Marvel was the undisputed king of the comic book world and DC was in the shithouse, so I'm far more familiar with their characters.  I'm gonna give it a shot.  Honest.

Sheeplovr

05-06-2006, 04:47 PM

I've always thought that the fantastic 4 and the
avengers get a pass because they work with the government.  Everyone
else is on the other sideFantasic
4 are private contractors and Avengers are Un Sanctioned I hope the
story goe's into some sort of international thing like this is america
acting up again will the Un be Involvednow with the whole Marvel
feels more real yeah thats marvels thing they have the real world
setting but i like the dc made up world even they screw it up by
tossing in real citys like how is there a ny and boston when Metopolis
and Gotham are so east coast cities They get snow and are major sea
ports there should be some sort of Dc redrawing of the Us to show where
the cities would be it's kinda a dumb thing to think about but it
always makes me think it's bad enough in smallvill metropolis is like a
15 mineut drive from a farm town like what the hell are they thinking
metroplis is in kansas yeah thats dumbwell anywhoMark Millar is great why isn't he given more to do then BMB

Don Stugots

05-06-2006, 05:53 PM

i picked it up, read it and liked it. can i just read the civil war book and be ok? or do i have to get the others? does anyone know what thor will look like when he returns? i only ask because i am getting a thor tattoo and might wait to see how he looks.

Sheeplovr

05-06-2006, 07:13 PM

i am getting a thor tattoo and might wait to see how he looks.are you getting it on your thumbso youll have a THOR THUMB!

EliSnow

05-07-2006, 07:03 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote: i picked it up, read it and liked it. can i just read the civil war book and be ok? or do i have to get the others? does anyone know what thor will look like when he returns? i only ask because i am getting a thor tattoo and might wait to see how he looks. Marvel has said that you can just read the Civil War series and will understand the story.  As for Thor, no idea what he will look like next, but why not just use something like this:<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f373/EliSnow/thor_big.jpg" border="0" />

Don Stugots

05-07-2006, 08:56 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">EliSnow wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: i picked it up, read it and liked it. can i just read the civil war book and be ok? or do i have to get the others? does anyone know what thor will look like when he returns? i only ask because i am getting a thor tattoo and might wait to see how he looks. Marvel has said that you can just read the Civil War series and will understand the story. As for Thor, no idea what he will look like next, but why not just use something like this:<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f373/EliSnow/thor_big.jpg" border="0" /><hr color="cococo" align="left">

Eli, thanks for the suggestion. I was thinking more along the Ultimate Thor lines. He looks grittier, tougher, more modern.

Sheeplovr

05-07-2006, 09:19 AM

. I was thinking more along the Ultimate Thor lines.eww no don't do that to your selfultimate
thor is aweful that would eb a horible choice and no one would know
it's thor except you and people who know what ultimate thor looks likeUltimate thor stinks Ultimate everyone stinks except Fantasic four they are alright sorta I like how they are

Johnny4

05-09-2006, 11:15 AM

I always thought bearded Thor was the best one. Looks too much like a broad the other way.

kdubya

05-09-2006, 11:26 AM

Johnny4 wrote: I always thought bearded Thor was the best one. Looks too much like a broad the other way. Totally, bearded Thor is better. Beta Ray Bill is by far the best though.

kdubya

05-09-2006, 11:27 AM

OK, maybe this a gay question, but lets say you were a super hero in the Marvel U. What side would you be on and why.I am still on the fence, so far both have a good point.

furie

05-09-2006, 11:38 AM

Tall_James wrote: I came into it thinking it was going to suck but since I believe they killed Speedball, that made it worth my while.

thank God! ten years too late.

i'm no longer a comic reader, what's the deal with this story line?

TheMojoPin

05-09-2006, 11:53 AM

Sheeplovr wrote:  . I was thinking more along the Ultimate Thor lines.  eww no don't do that to your selfultimate thor is aweful that would eb a horible choice and no one would know it's thor except you and people who know what ultimate thor looks likeUltimate thor stinks Ultimate everyone stinks except Fantasic four they are alright sorta I like how they are Man, you're nuts!  The Ultimates is pretty much the only decent and readable thing Marvel has put out in the last few years besides Bendis' Daredevil and Ennis' Punisher.  Thank God they hired Ed Brubaker to save the day...that man is a writing GOD.

TheMojoPin

05-09-2006, 11:55 AM

furie wrote: Tall_James wrote: I came into it thinking it was going to suck but since I believe they killed Speedball, that made it worth my while.  thank God! ten years too late. i'm no longer a comic reader, what's the deal with this story line? People realizing that Speedball and The New Warriors are terrible.  Anything else doesn't mean doodie.

JustJon

05-09-2006, 11:57 AM

Depending on the time frame, Avengers have been government affiliated.For the most part, the Fantastic Four aren't superheroes in the same way.  They are a family whose fights are mostly in outer space, other countries (Latvaria), etc., so there's a different perspective.  Plus Reed's inventions have helped modernize the Marvel U.  (He holds many patents - or did - some of which have been put to public use)The thing with mutants isn't that they're superheroes, but that "my child could be a mutant."  As opposed to being heroes, it's about these "dangerous" powered individuals living amongst the regular populace.  The X-Men are a small, public off-shoot of the race of mutants, and their public standing makes them the target of the general discomfort. And I'm not reading Civil War.  I'll pick up the trade at the end of the year.

Sheeplovr

05-09-2006, 03:27 PM

Man, you're nuts!  The Ultimates is pretty much the only decent and readable thing Marvel has put out in the last few years besides Bendis' Daredevil and Ennis' Punisher.  Thank God they hired Ed Brubaker to save the day...that man is a writing GOD.I
havent Read the ultimates because i dont like the way they look i know
how ultimates gets raves but just its off putting  i am willing to
read it i just need a liburay that has comics to read it or a afternoon
hanging out in a bookstore

EliSnow

05-09-2006, 05:10 PM

Sheeplovr wrote:  Man, you're nuts!  The Ultimates is pretty much the only decent and readable thing Marvel has put out in the last few years besides Bendis' Daredevil and Ennis' Punisher.  Thank God they hired Ed Brubaker to save the day...that man is a writing GOD.  I havent Read the ultimates because i dont like the way they look i know how ultimates gets raves but just its off putting  i am willing to read it i just need a liburay that has comics to read it or a afternoon hanging out in a bookstore Sheepy, Ultimates V.2  has been the one of the best superhero comics out there in the last year.  Mark Millar has been at the top of his game with this series.

ADF

05-09-2006, 05:18 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote:  

Eli, thanks for the suggestion. I was thinking more along the Ultimate Thor lines. He looks grittier, tougher, more modern.     If you're gonna go hardcore and get a tattoo, you shojuld go classic Thor.  Why go for some offshoot costume that people won't remember in ten years?

TheMojoPin

05-09-2006, 05:26 PM

EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote:  Man, you're nuts!  The Ultimates is pretty much the only decent and readable thing Marvel has put out in the last few years besides Bendis' Daredevil and Ennis' Punisher.  Thank God they hired Ed Brubaker to save the day...that man is a writing GOD.  I havent Read the ultimates because i dont like the way they look i know how ultimates gets raves but just its off putting  i am willing to read it i just need a liburay that has comics to read it or a afternoon hanging out in a bookstore Sheepy, Ultimates V.2  has been the one of the best superhero comics out there in the last year.  Mark Millar has been at the top of his game with this series.Quoted for truth.Hitch's artwork is the very definition of "epic."<img height="659" src="http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/ianinozzie/UltimateCaptainAmerica.jpg" width="443" border="0" />

Sheeplovr

05-09-2006, 06:17 PM

I trust Mark Millar i think just its hard to try out something with black nick fury espically Samul L Jackson nick Fury

DirtyJersey

05-09-2006, 06:41 PM

I usually stay away from these big crossovers in DC and Marvel but I'm all over this one.

Gvac

05-10-2006, 04:58 PM

Well, I picked up CIvil War today.  I felt like a little kid reading The Avengers all over again.  Hopefully I'll remember to pick up the rest of the issues - it was a lot of fun.

Sheeplovr

05-10-2006, 07:35 PM

Well, I picked up CIvil War today.  I felt like a little kid reading The Avengers all over again.  
Hopefully I'll remember to pick up the rest of the issues - it was a lot of fun. 


 

I'll rename the thread next month Civil War Gvac Reminder Discussion for you

Gvac

05-11-2006, 06:36 PM

That would be awesome Sheepy!  I really do want to keep up with the storyline, but I know I'll forget about it completely after a month.  Sometimes after a long vacation I forget where I live.

Sheeplovr

06-13-2006, 03:31 PM

Sup Civil War Issue 2 Comes out tomarrowi wanted to get the marvel civil war frtonlines but it ws sold out was that anygood?

Don Stugots

06-13-2006, 03:55 PM

***SPOILER***

Iron man took his mask off to reveal that his name is tony stark and he is an alcoholic. then everyone said "hi tony"

Sheeplovr

06-13-2006, 03:58 PM

Iron man took his mask off to reveal that his name is tony stark and he is an alcoholic. then everyone said "hi tony"you made me think in your jokein
the last story of Iron man when Avengers were dissasembeling he was
known public as iron man but then made it like oh im not iron man ever
again and then people were to belive iron man was jsut a body guard for
him did they drop that?like what the hellis he going to come out again and be im iron man like i gotta look up the iron man comics i bought but im pretty sure nothing makes sence to me anymore

EliSnow

06-13-2006, 04:01 PM

Sheeplovr wrote:  Iron man took his mask off to reveal that his name is tony stark and he is an alcoholic. then everyone said "hi tony"  you made me think in your jokein the last story of Iron man when Avengers were dissasembeling he was known public as iron man but then made it like oh im not iron man ever again and then people were to belive iron man was jsut a body guard for him did they drop that?like what the hellis he going to come out again and be im iron man like i gotta look up the iron man comics i bought but im pretty sure nothing makes sence to me anymore Other than the "Hi tony," it was no joke.  This development doesn't change what happened before.  Essentially, he's admitting that he is and always has been Iron Man and that he was deceiving the public before.The other point about Frontlines is they revealed that Speedball is alive, de-powered, and arrested by SHIELD.

Gvac

06-13-2006, 04:05 PM

Thanks for bumping this and reminding me guys.  I'm gonna try to collect the entire series and continue my trip down memory lane. And just so you know - I collected comics from 1974 until about 1980 or '81 and always despised Iron Man.  I always thought he was the most useless and boring member of the Avengers.  Hopefully he's one of the casualties of Civil War.

Grendel_Kahn

06-13-2006, 04:11 PM

I get tired of people saying they "won't read" ULTIMATES.  The
above post was right.  Bendis DD and ULTIMATES have consistantly
been the best books put out in the entire Marvel Universe.  I hear
every week in the shop, how people don't want to read " new continuity"
or some such nonsense.  That's kinda like saying you won't read
ANY new book because it's new.  To get back on
topic..................I like this new direction MU is taking...but the
main books feel like they are much too short.   At least it's not
like the old DC crossover, where there was a passing nod in one panel
tword the end. Or  red skies in all the books, if any of you know
your old school.  Marvel has gone from major event to major event
pretty seemlessly.  It almost seems like the past few "events"
were all leading up to this.  I guess in some way they
were......but it all flows together really well.  Unlike that
blunt stab DC is doing with ONE YEAR LATER.  I gotta go get the
new books tonight so I'm off for a bit.

EliSnow

06-14-2006, 05:33 AM

Gvac wrote: And just so you know - I collected comics from 1974 until about 1980 or '81 and always despised Iron Man.  I always thought he was the most useless and boring member of the Avengers.  Hopefully he's one of the casualties of Civil War. Very doubtful.  He's pretty much considered one of the top 3 of the Avengers (although Marvel did recently knock off one of the other top 3 - Thor - but then again Marvel's bringing him back soon -  look, I'm debating myself).Ultimately, he's one of the big characters for Marvel and they are trying to make a movie about him.  I don't see him dying or if he does die, not staying dead for very long.

Don Stugots

06-14-2006, 04:16 PM

i picked up #2 today, pretty cool.

on a side note, i picked up ultimates tpb #2.

DirtyJersey

06-14-2006, 04:44 PM

EliSnow

06-15-2006, 05:27 AM

I liked #2 a lot.  Plus the whole storyline is interesting and I'm not really certain of which side I'm rooting for.   On one hand the whole idea seems pretty facist, but on the other hand, we do have laws in the real world that essentially say if you want to fight crime, join the police.  If you want to fight America's enemies, join America's military.  If you don't do those things, and still fight crime, we're going to jail you for getting in the way of the police.Add to that the fact that these individuals are super-powered and a number of them could level city blocks or more, it makes sense to know where these people are, who they are, and, if they want to use those powers for good, use them as an employee of SHIELD.

PhishHead

06-15-2006, 06:26 AM

i want to get this but would rather have it all in one book like a trade...are there plans to release this when its complete as a trade or is it better off just buying them seperate?

EliSnow

06-15-2006, 06:27 AM

PhishHead wrote: i want to get this but would rather have it all in one book like a trade...are there plans to release this when its complete as a trade or is it better off just buying them seperate? They will definitely release this as a trade paperback at some point, but that may be a year off.

PhishHead

06-15-2006, 06:33 AM

ahh thanks eli, maybe ill just pick up the books individually and then get the trade when its finally released.  Thank you.

JustJon

06-15-2006, 07:35 AM

Knowing Marvel, the trade will only be about 2 months later.  If issue 2 of 6 came out yesterday, and there's no delays, it'll end in October.  I think you can expect to see the trade in Dec or Jan.  I'm waiting for the trade. I did read about the other major spoiler for CW#2 and I haven't decided if I'm happy about it yet.

DirtyJersey

06-15-2006, 09:42 PM

I run into alot of people that dont like the shit going on with Civil War, especially Spidey taking off his mask but I think this book is fucking great. I think the writing and the art are top notch.

EliSnow

09-21-2006, 12:29 PM

Sheeplovr wrote: Well, I picked up CIvil War today.  I felt like a little kid reading The Avengers all over again.  Hopefully I'll remember to pick up the rest of the issues - it was a lot of fun.    I'll rename the thread next month Civil War Gvac Reminder Discussion for you On the comics thread, one person wrote that they hated Civil War #4. I'm really suprised, as it was the second best book I read yesterday after Astonishing X-Men.  Also, the reviewers at IGN.com loved it as well:  <a href="http://comics.ign.com/articles/733/733799p2.html">http://comics.ign.com/articles/733/733799p2.html</a>Anyone else have feelings about the issue?

booster11373

09-22-2006, 03:09 PM

First off I'm not a big Marvel super fan so maybe I have some things wrong. this is why I groan after reading CW #41. How could Clor (clone Thor) even pick up the hammer? wasn't there some magic that only let those worthy pick up the hammer?2. The burial of Goliath was so hack, raining, couldn't shrink him down wtf? just stupid to me.3. Iron Man's side seems to have made the leap to crazy mighty fast, The 50 state program is most likely a plan for more clones if the cant control 1 how they going to do fifty.4. Invisible women leaving her kids, again wtf?5. This is all going to turn out that Iron Man has been replaced by a Skrull of some alien or Demon and that's why this has happened.6.Captain Americas side is so dangerous that Iron Mans side agrees to release so of the most dangerous criminals on the planet to capture them? Just leaving them in jail would make everyone saferI cant see how this can be resolved? I dont see how writers will deal with this in coming yearsNick Fury returning will help how?sorry for the random thoughts

samnyc

09-22-2006, 05:37 PM

I have some of the same concerns as you but at least something exciting is happening in the Marvel Universe forever.  And I can't guess what will happen next.  After Bru made Captain America everyone's favorite character again, Millar has him as the centerpeice of the story.

EliSnow

09-22-2006, 05:53 PM

booster11373 wrote: First off I'm not a big Marvel super fan so maybe I have some things wrong. this is why I groan after reading CW #41. How could Clor (clone Thor) even pick up the hammer? wasn't there some magic that only let those worthy pick up the hammer?Easily explainable, that because of the death of the Norse gods, the magic wasn't as strong and was fooled by the fact that the clone had the same DNA.  It's not perfect, but I like the story, so I'll suspend my belief a little for this.<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">[/quote]2. The burial of Goliath was so hack, raining, couldn't shrink him down wtf? just stupid to me.If the size changing is based on the will/choice of the person changing sizes, since he died in that large size, it makes sense that he wouldn't shrink down.  Again, it's not really that big of story point, so why pick nits? <blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">[/quote]3. Iron Man's side seems to have made the leap to crazy mighty fast, The 50 state program is most likely a plan for more clones if the cant control 1 how they going to do fifty.They didn't realize until that battle that they can't control the clones.  By that time the 50 state program had advance pretty far.  I believe that one of the characters mentioned that the program doesn't seem as viable for that reason.<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">[/quote]4. Invisible women leaving her kids, again wtf?She's going underground and breaking the law.  Leaving her kids is actually the smart thing to do.<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">[/quote]5. This is all going to turn out that Iron Man has been replaced by a Skrull of some alien or Demon and that's why this has happened.Until this happens, this isn't a valid criticism.  If they do this, yes, criticize it for taking the easy route.  But until they do, don't judge it for something they haven't done.<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">[/quote]6.Captain Americas side is so dangerous that Iron Mans side agrees to release so of the most dangerous criminals on the planet to capture them? Just leaving them in jail would make everyone saferYou forget how arrogant Reed and Tony are in their own abilities.  They think with the technology they have in place in controlling these villains, that they can do this.  same with the arrogance with the Thor-clone.  These two have shown such arrogance before.  They know how smart they are, and they believe that science can do anything.  <blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">[/quote]I cant see how this can be resolved? I dont see how writers will deal with this in coming yearsNick Fury returning will help how?sorry for the random thoughtsI'm wondering too, how they can have a satisfying ending that doesn't ruin their ability to have the Marvel universe go backto where it was before.  But, until then, I can't criticize them until they fail to make good on the story.

nwm

09-22-2006, 06:05 PM

Another Thor clone? wasn't there a comic book that had a earthling as thor? And speaking of Iron MAn what ever happened to War MAchine the black Iron MAn

EliSnow

09-22-2006, 06:08 PM

nwm wrote: Another Thor clone? wasn't there a comic book that had a earthling as thor? And speaking of Iron MAn what ever happened to War MAchine the black Iron MAn That comic book didn't have a Thor-clone.  Just an earthman worthy.BTW, I also read that the enchantments are based on the will of Odin (to some degree).  Since Odin is dead (at least for now) in the Marvel universe, you can't depend upon the enchantments working perfectly, such that a Thor-clone can't pick it up.

Sheeplovr

09-23-2006, 04:53 AM

remember house of m when things made sence oh thems were the days

booster11373

10-01-2006, 02:29 PM

I re read the whole series up to 4 again today. I didnt like it any better still have problems with how most charaters are being writtenone of the guys at my local comic shop found this. <a href="http://www.spacklecube.com/civilwar4/" target="_self">http://www.spacklecube.com/civilwar4/</a>only read it if you have all ready read CW 4.

silas

10-01-2006, 03:04 PM

Thanks for the link Booster.Bloody hilarious.    KINDA SPOILERs;***(...IM taunting Cap ="the 40's sucked!")....The (in)famous Sad-Watcher, tarped G, drilling into c-Th....were bit of parody already.But imo nice art, including beautiful panel of sad Thing.

johnniewalker

10-02-2006, 02:08 PM

I haven't picked up a comic book since I was little reading the death of superman.   I read this thread and picked up the civil war up to 4 and its pretty cool.  I thought the whole mutant registration thing was cheesey in X-Men 3, but this got me thinking and its well developed.  I don't know how they are going to end it either, but I hope the moral of the story is sometimes 600 kids have to die for our civil liberties.

dereckfishboy

10-07-2006, 08:29 AM

I find the Civil War series entertaining enough that I started picking up comics again after a decade. My ONLY criticisms are: 1: The deaths of characters such as the New Warriors and Goliath are COMPLETELY overshadowed by the returns of heavy-hitters like Doctor Doom and Thor. Personally, I think with a crossover like this, they should show some balls and whack a few higher-profile characters. Killing off characters that weren't popular enough to warrant their own title miniseries is something they've been doing too long and apparently they have no plans on changing that.2: For a series called Civil War, it seems to be going down the traditional "Good vs Evil" route. The reader is clearly being coached towards favoring the Secret Avengers, which sucks. The story would be so much more compelling if the line between who's right and wrong wasn't so obviously clear. With the Fifty State Initiative, The New Thor's homicidal attitude, Tony Stark's less-than-subtle conversion into a fascist leader,etc.... the reader really lacks a sense of conflict. Marvel isn't making it a secret you should be rallying for the Secret Avengers, and I think if it was more of a 50/50 thing that the story would benefit immensly. Also, throw on that Spider-man and the Storm Siblings have jumped ship, and the majority of the clear fan favorites are now on the side of the resistance.

booster11373

10-15-2006, 03:20 PM

<img height="800" src="http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF17art/MCRETURN.jpg" width="533" border="0" />Within The Negative Zone, the walls of 42, are pulled back to reveal the return of one of the Marveldom’s greatest heroes…now face-to-face with a Universe they no longer recognize. Whos coming back, Who left? is Quasar still alive? 

This message was edited by booster11373 on 10-15-06 @ 7:22 PM

booster11373

11-16-2006, 06:31 AM

Issue 5 came out yesterday any thoughts?

EliSnow

11-16-2006, 10:01 AM

I've ordered it but haven't picked it up as of yet.

Tall_James

11-16-2006, 11:09 AM

How come Reed Richards, one of the smartest man on the planet, is being portrayed as a borderline doddering retard?

samnyc

11-17-2006, 02:40 AM

Yeah I have some thoughts on it and the series in general.  Civil War is a fun read but it's not Millar's best work and it's not McNiven's best work.  It relies a lot on momentum and readers turning the other cheek when someone is written out of character.  That's why the delays hurt the series so much.  Despite what Marvel says it's not such a masterpiece that a fill in would have hurt any.  In particular I can't believe we waited 2 months for this issue.  Hardly anything new happened to move the story forward.  The negative zone prison reveal came already.  We already knew the Punisher was getting involved.  The Spider Man/Iron Man fight started in the last ASM.Millar said that the Daredevil we saw head into prison is Danny Rand.  I have a couple of ideas on this: 1-Millar could be lying and it's Spider Man (the series has focused a lot more on him to date, he knows the negative zone prison better than anyone else on cap's side, the prison was his major issue with Tony, his Iron Spider suit would have allowed him to assume any visual identity, and he would have a better shot at Rand at screwing things up there in a big way).   2-It could be Rand and Punisher snuck in right behind him (he said his black ops training would help him get in the Baxter Building in the future). 3-It could be Rand but he has an ace up his sleeve (when Punisher said he joined Cap b/c the other side had aligned with villains Cap said he was thinking-what if Rand came into the negative zone with Electro stored on a small chip somewhere to use him to orchestrate a "breakout" just like the first issue of New Avengers?  That would be cool.

Grendel_Kahn

11-17-2006, 01:42 PM

I would have to be Rand.  Spidey is in no shape and Matt
Murdock is in Italy.    I just don't get the bit with
the coiin.  Not the Judas angle....that I get.....but why have the
coin as early as the first issue?

Grendel_Kahn

11-17-2006, 01:45 PM

The
clone Thor used a fake hammer.  You can see it open and the
electronics inside it.  When they shut him down they have it
hanging on the wall.  
    booster11373 wrote:  First off I'm not a big Marvel super fan so maybe I have some things wrong. this is why I groan after reading CW #41. How could Clor (clone Thor) even pick up the hammer? wasn't there some magic that only let those worthy pick up the hammer?   
 
 
 <blockquote />

booster11373

11-17-2006, 02:12 PM

Couldnt Spidey just have taken off his costume and walked out the front door?

booster11373

11-17-2006, 02:16 PM

Tall_James wrote: How come Reed Richards, one of the smartest man on the planet, is being portrayed as a borderline doddering retard? That seems to be the biggest complaint around my comic store. The characters are not being remotely portrayed in Civil War as there are being portrayed in there current series.Reed being mamby pambySue abandoning her kidsetc.

Sheeplovr

11-20-2006, 03:44 PM

who funds shield where is all this money comeing from im so conufsedi jsut want to know what the ending will be it looks like nyc is a police state now and things seam kinda jumpy i like marvel front lines a tad better then the civil war

MegaRouge

11-20-2006, 04:13 PM

I just had to post something in this thread.  First, I'm a huge sucker for big comic events. Second, I'm reserving judgement until the final issue.  I'm hoping that Millar lays down something huge at the end that makes the wait worthwhile.  Maybe waiting is a sukers way out but I'm going to wait.

EliSnow

11-21-2006, 04:33 AM

samnyc wrote: Millar said that the Daredevil we saw head into prison is Danny Rand.  I have a couple of ideas on this: 1-Millar could be lying and it's Spider Man (the series has focused a lot more on him to date, he knows the negative zone prison better than anyone else on cap's side, the prison was his major issue with Tony, his Iron Spider suit would have allowed him to assume any visual identity, and he would have a better shot at Rand at screwing things up there in a big way).   2-It could be Rand and Punisher snuck in right behind him (he said his black ops training would help him get in the Baxter Building in the future). 3-It could be Rand but he has an ace up his sleeve (when Punisher said he joined Cap b/c the other side had aligned with villains Cap said he was thinking-what if Rand came into the negative zone with Electro stored on a small chip somewhere to use him to orchestrate a "breakout" just like the first issue of New Avengers?  That would be cool.It's Rand.  Daredevil the series has shown that Rand has been appearing as Daredevil in NYC while Matt was in prison and later went to Italy.   And I agree that Spidey is in no shape.  The one thing they have done with the series is show that injuries last awhile.  Cap is still in bad shape from his fight with Iron Man and Thor-clone.  I think they'll show Spidey recovering for awhile.As for your other thoughts, I'll have to go back but I got the sense that Tony bringing Rand to the Negative Zone occurred at about the same time that Punisher came to Cap's hideout with the badly injured Spidey.

EliSnow

11-21-2006, 04:40 AM

Sheeplovr wrote: who funds shield where is all this money comeing from I think it's tied to the United Nations, but I'm not so certain.

lleeder

11-21-2006, 03:00 PM

booster11373 wrote: Issue 5 came out yesterday any thoughts? I thought the first 4 issues were great. Issue 5 had a better cover than what actually happened inside.

Captain Rooster

11-21-2006, 04:39 PM

So ... issue 5 ... finally He shows up. I have been waiting for the appearance. Kinda boring though. This series needs to end. How long is it set to be?

lleeder

11-21-2006, 04:51 PM

How does everyone get there identities back in the end Jr. Dallas type dream thing?

Sheeplovr

11-21-2006, 04:55 PM

I think it's tied to the United Nations, but I'm not so certain.what about a world veiw what are supers in france dooing how is this going to endthey will need ot reboot the universe

MegaRouge

11-21-2006, 06:19 PM

Civil War is also setting up World War Hulk, the big event event for next summer.  So one will just lead into another so they can suck more of my money out of me.

EliSnow

11-22-2006, 04:49 AM

Sheeplovr wrote: I think it's tied to the United Nations, but I'm not so certain. what about a world veiw what are supers in france dooing Probably nothing.  The superhero registration act was an American law, not something that's being enforced around the world.

Sheeplovr

11-22-2006, 11:12 AM

Probably nothing.  The superhero registration act was an American law, not something that's being enforced around the world.seams liek a waste of governemnt funds and how come they never put super villains in the N zone before this is nuts

Captain Rooster

11-22-2006, 12:08 PM

It'll be another case of DEUS EX MACHINA ...

EliSnow

02-21-2007, 06:35 AM

I believe that the last issue of Civil War comes out today.  I know a lot of people here haven't like the mini at all, but I liked it.  I'm aware of its problems, but I thought it told a good story.  Not as good as some classic crossovers, but better than most.

booster11373

02-21-2007, 02:14 PM

What a piece of CRAPThe Micheal Bay of comic booksIm still digesting it and dont want to spoil anything so........

Tall_James

02-21-2007, 03:38 PM

Anticlimactic.  Not impressed at all.  The series started so strong and ended so weakly.  Just like 98% of all Stephen King novels.

mdr55

02-21-2007, 04:01 PM

So WHAT happened????

samnyc

02-21-2007, 04:50 PM

There are a lot of good things about this series but it leaves me with a bad taste.  I now hate half the marvel universe, in particular Iron Man.

lleeder

02-22-2007, 01:03 PM

This series sucked ass. I'm considering avoiding all Marvel books not affiliated with X-Men til World War Hulk.

EliSnow

02-23-2007, 05:47 AM

lleeder wrote: This series sucked ass. I'm considering avoiding all Marvel books not affiliated with X-Men til World War Hulk. So  you're not going to read Daredevil, Captain America or Ultimates 2 (when it comes out), which arguably have been Marvel's best books in the last year?

ToLEEdo

02-23-2007, 04:04 PM

I really enjoyed this series but I can see the hate of the ending but I think it will leave a lot of room for more new story lines for individual comics.  I just read it from beginning to end and now I want to read other civil war lines.

The_Showstopper

03-02-2007, 02:45 PM

Ive just reciently got back into reading some comics (mostly some superman graphic novels i got for Xmas), And i heard a little bit about this but was wondering what exactly the story is about and if its a series i should look into getting?

Captain Rooster

03-02-2007, 04:28 PM

The_Showstopper wrote: Ive just reciently got back into reading some comics (mostly some superman graphic novels i got for Xmas), And i heard a little bit about this but was wondering what exactly the story is about and if its a series i should look into getting?  Basically, the Marvel Universe wanted to create a new angle on all of the books. (And sell a shit load of books.) The new angle is an allegory based on the post-9/11 world. Mutants created a massive "incident" in Stamford, CT, where children were killed. The result was a call for the "Ragistration Act" (AKA The Patriot Act). Iron Man led the Big Government reaction, calling for all superhumans to register with the government and Captain America set himself as the polar opposite on the side of superhuman "freedom." This is the basis of the war.  On another note, I just read #7 and I am disapointed!!!! C'mon ... "The Initiative" sounds like a silly idea and the end ... was rushed (!!!!) as was many other parts, such as the Punisher angle.   I am looking forward to World War Hulk. With the Infiniti Gems back (Illuminati) it would be SIIIICK to see Hulk wearing the Infiniti Gaunlet.

The_Showstopper

03-02-2007, 04:34 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: Ive just reciently got back into reading some comics (mostly some superman graphic novels i got for Xmas), And i heard a little bit about this but was wondering what exactly the story is about and if its a series i should look into getting?  Basically, the Marvel Universe wanted to create a new angle on all of the books. (And sell a shit load of books.) The new angle is an allegory based on the post-9/11 world. Mutants created a massive "incident" in Stamford, CT, where children were killed. The result was a call for the "Ragistration Act" (AKA The Patriot Act). Iron Man led the Big Government reaction, calling for all superhumans to register with the government and Captain America set himself as the polar opposite on the side of superhuman "freedom." This is the basis of the war.  On another note, I just read #7 and I am disapointed!!!! C'mon ... "The Initiative" sounds like a silly idea and the end ... was rushed (!!!!) as was many other parts, such as the Punisher angle.   I am looking forward to World War Hulk. With the Infiniti Gems back (Illuminati) it would be SIIIICK to see Hulk wearing the Infiniti Gaunlet.  Thank ya for the info its much apreciated. This sounds like a real deep and intersting story line. Is it just one series called civil war  or does the story go into other characters books like spider man and x men books?P.S is this the series where spiderman publicly unmakes? A friend told me that had happened reciently.

Captain Rooster

03-02-2007, 04:38 PM

The_Showstopper wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: Ive just reciently got back into reading some comics (mostly some superman graphic novels i got for Xmas), And i heard a little bit about this but was wondering what exactly the story is about and if its a series i should look into getting? Basically, the Marvel Universe wanted to create a new angle on all of the books. (And sell a shit load of books.) The new angle is an allegory based on the post-9/11 world. Mutants created a massive "incident" in Stamford, CT, where children were killed. The result was a call for the "Ragistration Act" (AKA The Patriot Act). Iron Man led the Big Government reaction, calling for all superhumans to register with the government and Captain America set himself as the polar opposite on the side of superhuman "freedom." This is the basis of the war.  On another note, I just read #7 and I am disapointed!!!! C'mon ... "The Initiative" sounds like a silly idea and the end ... was rushed (!!!!) as was many other parts, such as the Punisher angle.  I am looking forward to World War Hulk. With the Infiniti Gems back (Illuminati) it would be SIIIICK to see Hulk wearing the Infiniti Gaunlet. Thank ya for the info its much apreciated. This sounds like a real deep and intersting story line. Is it just one series called civil war or does the story go into other characters books like spider man and x men books?P.S is this the series where spiderman publicly unmakes? A friend told me that had happened reciently. This is the series where Spiderman unmasks ... because he registers (leading to a HORRIBLE result for him) and he wears armor made by Iron Man, Stark Industries. I, essentially, was a mini0series with SEVERAL tie-ins with other books. It is a Marvel Universe level event. The X-Books were slightly involved. The "Initiative" is the next installation. But this summer WORLD WAR HULK will be the big event--a good way to get back into comics.

The_Showstopper

03-02-2007, 04:40 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: Ive just reciently got back into reading some comics (mostly some superman graphic novels i got for Xmas), And i heard a little bit about this but was wondering what exactly the story is about and if its a series i should look into getting? Basically, the Marvel Universe wanted to create a new angle on all of the books. (And sell a shit load of books.) The new angle is an allegory based on the post-9/11 world. Mutants created a massive "incident" in Stamford, CT, where children were killed. The result was a call for the "Ragistration Act" (AKA The Patriot Act). Iron Man led the Big Government reaction, calling for all superhumans to register with the government and Captain America set himself as the polar opposite on the side of superhuman "freedom." This is the basis of the war.  On another note, I just read #7 and I am disapointed!!!! C'mon ... "The Initiative" sounds like a silly idea and the end ... was rushed (!!!!) as was many other parts, such as the Punisher angle.  I am looking forward to World War Hulk. With the Infiniti Gems back (Illuminati) it would be SIIIICK to see Hulk wearing the Infiniti Gaunlet. Thank ya for the info its much apreciated. This sounds like a real deep and intersting story line. Is it just one series called civil war or does the story go into other characters books like spider man and x men books?P.S is this the series where spiderman publicly unmakes? A friend told me that had happened reciently. This is the series where Spiderman unmasks ... because he registers (leading to a HORRIBLE result for him) and he wears armor made by Iron Man, Stark Industries. I, essentially, was a mini0series with SEVERAL tie-ins with other books. It is a Marvel Universe level event. The X-Books were slightly involved. The "Initiative" is the next installation. But this summer WORLD WAR HULK will be the big event--a good way to get back into comics.  Thank you very much for all the help and info. Im def gonna look into getting this series to add to my collection.

Captain Rooster

03-02-2007, 04:42 PM

The_Showstopper wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: Ive just reciently got back into reading some comics (mostly some superman graphic novels i got for Xmas), And i heard a little bit about this but was wondering what exactly the story is about and if its a series i should look into getting? Basically, the Marvel Universe wanted to create a new angle on all of the books. (And sell a shit load of books.) The new angle is an allegory based on the post-9/11 world. Mutants created a massive "incident" in Stamford, CT, where children were killed. The result was a call for the "Ragistration Act" (AKA The Patriot Act). Iron Man led the Big Government reaction, calling for all superhumans to register with the government and Captain America set himself as the polar opposite on the side of superhuman "freedom." This is the basis of the war.  On another note, I just read #7 and I am disapointed!!!! C'mon ... "The Initiative" sounds like a silly idea and the end ... was rushed (!!!!) as was many other parts, such as the Punisher angle.  I am looking forward to World War Hulk. With the Infiniti Gems back (Illuminati) it would be SIIIICK to see Hulk wearing the Infiniti Gaunlet. Thank ya for the info its much apreciated. This sounds like a real deep and intersting story line. Is it just one series called civil war or does the story go into other characters books like spider man and x men books?P.S is this the series where spiderman publicly unmakes? A friend told me that had happened reciently. This is the series where Spiderman unmasks ... because he registers (leading to a HORRIBLE result for him) and he wears armor made by Iron Man, Stark Industries. I, essentially, was a mini0series with SEVERAL tie-ins with other books. It is a Marvel Universe level event. The X-Books were slightly involved. The "Initiative" is the next installation. But this summer WORLD WAR HULK will be the big event--a good way to get back into comics. Thank you very much for all the help and info. Im def gonna look into getting this series to add to my collection. No problem. Welcome to the board (the Reef).

lleeder

03-02-2007, 05:33 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: Ive just reciently got back into reading some comics (mostly some superman graphic novels i got for Xmas), And i heard a little bit about this but was wondering what exactly the story is about and if its a series i should look into getting?  Basically, the Marvel Universe wanted to create a new angle on all of the books. (And sell a shit load of books.) The new angle is an allegory based on the post-9/11 world. Mutants created a massive "incident" in Stamford, CT, where children were killed. The result was a call for the "Ragistration Act" (AKA The Patriot Act). Iron Man led the Big Government reaction, calling for all superhumans to register with the government and Captain America set himself as the polar opposite on the side of superhuman "freedom." This is the basis of the war.  On another note, I just read #7 and I am disapointed!!!! C'mon ... "The Initiative" sounds like a silly idea and the end ... was rushed (!!!!) as was many other parts, such as the Punisher angle.   I am looking forward to World War Hulk. With the Infiniti Gems back (Illuminati) it would be SIIIICK to see Hulk wearing the Infiniti Gaunlet.  That would be sick. I love anything involving the gauntlet.

Captain Rooster

03-02-2007, 05:35 PM

lleeder wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: Ive just reciently got back into reading some comics (mostly some superman graphic novels i got for Xmas), And i heard a little bit about this but was wondering what exactly the story is about and if its a series i should look into getting? Basically, the Marvel Universe wanted to create a new angle on all of the books. (And sell a shit load of books.) The new angle is an allegory based on the post-9/11 world. Mutants created a massive "incident" in Stamford, CT, where children were killed. The result was a call for the "Ragistration Act" (AKA The Patriot Act). Iron Man led the Big Government reaction, calling for all superhumans to register with the government and Captain America set himself as the polar opposite on the side of superhuman "freedom." This is the basis of the war.  On another note, I just read #7 and I am disapointed!!!! C'mon ... "The Initiative" sounds like a silly idea and the end ... was rushed (!!!!) as was many other parts, such as the Punisher angle.  I am looking forward to World War Hulk. With the Infiniti Gems back (Illuminati) it would be SIIIICK to see Hulk wearing the Infiniti Gaunlet. That would be sick. I love anything involving the gauntlet. BTW, after Illuminati 2, I the ...yes ... the Beyonder (!!!!!!) is back.

The_Showstopper

03-03-2007, 05:42 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: Ive just reciently got back into reading some comics (mostly some superman graphic novels i got for Xmas), And i heard a little bit about this but was wondering what exactly the story is about and if its a series i should look into getting? Basically, the Marvel Universe wanted to create a new angle on all of the books. (And sell a shit load of books.) The new angle is an allegory based on the post-9/11 world. Mutants created a massive "incident" in Stamford, CT, where children were killed. The result was a call for the "Ragistration Act" (AKA The Patriot Act). Iron Man led the Big Government reaction, calling for all superhumans to register with the government and Captain America set himself as the polar opposite on the side of superhuman "freedom." This is the basis of the war.  On another note, I just read #7 and I am disapointed!!!! C'mon ... "The Initiative" sounds like a silly idea and the end ... was rushed (!!!!) as was many other parts, such as the Punisher angle.  I am looking forward to World War Hulk. With the Infiniti Gems back (Illuminati) it would be SIIIICK to see Hulk wearing the Infiniti Gaunlet. Thank ya for the info its much apreciated. This sounds like a real deep and intersting story line. Is it just one series called civil war or does the story go into other characters books like spider man and x men books?P.S is this the series where spiderman publicly unmakes? A friend told me that had happened reciently.This is the series where Spiderman unmasks ... because he registers (leading to a HORRIBLE result for him) and he wears armor made by Iron Man, Stark Industries. I, essentially, was a mini0series with SEVERAL tie-ins with other books. It is a Marvel Universe level event. The X-Books were slightly involved. The "Initiative" is the next installation. But this summer WORLD WAR HULK will be the big event--a good way to get back into comics. Thank you very much for all the help and info. Im def gonna look into getting this series to add to my collection. No problem. Welcome to the board (the Reef). I jsut purchased marvel civil war issues 1-7 on ebay. Thanx again for all the info

cougarjake13

03-04-2007, 04:16 AM

Captain Rooster wrote:  This is the series where Spiderman unmasks ... because he registers (leading to a HORRIBLE result for him) and he wears armor made by Iron Man, Stark Industries. I, essentially, was a mini0series with SEVERAL tie-ins with other books. It is a Marvel Universe level event. The X-Books were slightly involved. The "Initiative" is the next installation. But this summer WORLD WAR HULK will be the big event--a good way to get back into comics.  i am curious to se what this version of spiderman looks like, anywhere i can see it online ??? or does someone have pics ???

The_Showstopper

03-04-2007, 12:24 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: Captain Rooster wrote:  This is the series where Spiderman unmasks ... because he registers (leading to a HORRIBLE result for him) and he wears armor made by Iron Man, Stark Industries. I, essentially, was a mini0series with SEVERAL tie-ins with other books. It is a Marvel Universe level event. The X-Books were slightly involved. The "Initiative" is the next installation. But this summer WORLD WAR HULK will be the big event--a good way to get back into comics.  i am curious to se what this version of spiderman looks like, anywhere i can see it online ??? or does someone have pics ???This is a pic i found of spiderman with the stark industries armorhttp://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n135/thegame6603/200px-Ironspidey.jpg

Gvac

03-04-2007, 01:37 PM

It's hideous...and those stupid metal "tentacles" are gay as hell. <img src="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/ispidey.gif" border="0" />

The_Showstopper

03-04-2007, 02:08 PM

I dont care for the look either. I prefer the orignal look or the black symboyte suit/

Captain Rooster

03-05-2007, 02:32 AM

The_Showstopper wrote: I dont care for the look either. I prefer the orignal look or the black symboyte suit/ Spidey's Back in Black as of this Month. Quesdad is going to pencil one of the books. It's his "I'm in mourning" look.

The_Showstopper

03-07-2007, 12:51 PM

Big news from the civil war story line This is a spoiler i belive so ill jsut post the link <a href="http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.392?utm_campaign=front+page+tracking& utm_source=main+graphic&utm_medium=graphic+text+li nk&utm_content=%2Fnews%2Fcomicstories.392">http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.392?utm_campaign=front+page+tracking& utm_source=main+graphic&utm_medium=graphic+text+li nk&utm_content=%2Fnews%2Fcomicstories.392</a>

booster11373

03-07-2007, 05:02 PM

So one question to Marvel fans kind of Civil War relatedIron Man- when I read it back in the 80/90's Tony was back and he was just really guy in suit, they had pretty much done away with him needing the suit to live by that time, but my main point is Iron Man is just a really rich really smart guy right? he doesnt need the armor to live anymore does he?if that's true so............Civil War, Stark becomes head of SHEILD and still runs around as Iron Man ie. Mighty Avengers 1 (out today no less bought on a whim) Not leading the Avengers mind you but still there so........As the head of SHEILD wouldn't Stark be better off giving the armor to someone else so he could concentrate on the big picture as the head of the superhero defence force or since Marvel has really upped his power level in recent years why not form a group of Iron Men to police the super hero community

EliSnow

03-08-2007, 05:49 AM

booster11373 wrote: So one question to Marvel fans kind of Civil War relatedIron Man- when I read it back in the 80/90's Tony was back and he was just really guy in suit, they had pretty much done away with him needing the suit to live by that time, but my main point is Iron Man is just a really rich really smart guy right? he doesnt need the armor to live anymore does he?if that's true so............Civil War, Stark becomes head of SHEILD and still runs around as Iron Man ie. Mighty Avengers 1 (out today no less bought on a whim) Not leading the Avengers mind you but still there so........As the head of SHEILD wouldn't Stark be better off giving the armor to someone else so he could concentrate on the big picture as the head of the superhero defence force or since Marvel has really upped his power level in recent years why not form a group of Iron Men to police the super hero communityFirst, Stark took a "technovirus" recently called the Extremis Virus to save his life and help defeat a villain who did the same thing.  I didn't read the story (written by Warren Ellis I believe), but here's what wikipedia has on it:Stark injects his nervous system with a modified techno-organic virus that not only saves his life, but also fuses Stark's armor to his body. This allows him to store the inner layers of the Iron Man armor in the hollows of his bones as well as control it through direct brain impulses. He is also able to remotely connect to external communications systems such as satellites, cellular phones, and computers throughout the world. Because the armor's operating system is now directly connected to Stark's nervous system, its response time has been significantly improved.So in many ways, Stark is now the armor.  If you have it in you, it would be a waste not to use it.Second, I haven't read Iron Man in some years, but when I did they were essentially hinting that being Iron Man is Stark's new addiction (replacing alcohol to some extent).  He gets a rush from it and can't stop being Iron Man.  I'm not sure if they've stuck with this or not, but it also is an explanation.

Captain Rooster

03-08-2007, 03:30 PM

EliSnow wrote: booster11373 wrote: So one question to Marvel fans kind of Civil War relatedIron Man- when I read it back in the 80/90's Tony was back and he was just really guy in suit, they had pretty much done away with him needing the suit to live by that time, but my main point is Iron Man is just a really rich really smart guy right? he doesnt need the armor to live anymore does he?if that's true so............Civil War, Stark becomes head of SHEILD and still runs around as Iron Man ie. Mighty Avengers 1 (out today no less bought on a whim) Not leading the Avengers mind you but still there so........As the head of SHEILD wouldn't Stark be better off giving the armor to someone else so he could concentrate on the big picture as the head of the superhero defence force or since Marvel has really upped his power level in recent years why not form a group of Iron Men to police the super hero communityFirst, Stark took a "technovirus" recently called the Extremis Virus to save his life and help defeat a villain who did the same thing. I didn't read the story (written by Warren Ellis I believe), but here's what wikipedia has on it:Stark injects his nervous system with a modified techno-organic virus that not only saves his life, but also fuses Stark's armor to his body. This allows him to store the inner layers of the Iron Man armor in the hollows of his bones as well as control it through direct brain impulses. He is also able to remotely connect to external communications systems such as satellites, cellular phones, and computers throughout the world. Because the armor's operating system is now directly connected to Stark's nervous system, its response time has been significantly improved.So in many ways, Stark is now the armor. If you have it in you, it would be a waste not to use it.Second, I haven't read Iron Man in some years, but when I did they were essentially hinting that being Iron Man is Stark's new addiction (replacing alcohol to some extent). He gets a rush from it and can't stop being Iron Man. I'm not sure if they've stuck with this or not, but it also is an explanation. Spoiler Question in white: Is this how Iron Man becomes Ultron (a female) at the end of Mighty Avengers #1?

NortonRules

03-08-2007, 04:30 PM

Then what happened?

EliSnow

03-09-2007, 06:03 AM

Captain Rooster wrote: EliSnow wrote: booster11373 wrote: So one question to Marvel fans kind of Civil War relatedIron Man- when I read it back in the 80/90's Tony was back and he was just really guy in suit, they had pretty much done away with him needing the suit to live by that time, but my main point is Iron Man is just a really rich really smart guy right? he doesnt need the armor to live anymore does he?if that's true so............Civil War, Stark becomes head of SHEILD and still runs around as Iron Man ie. Mighty Avengers 1 (out today no less bought on a whim) Not leading the Avengers mind you but still there so........As the head of SHEILD wouldn't Stark be better off giving the armor to someone else so he could concentrate on the big picture as the head of the superhero defence force or since Marvel has really upped his power level in recent years why not form a group of Iron Men to police the super hero communityFirst, Stark took a "technovirus" recently called the Extremis Virus to save his life and help defeat a villain who did the same thing. I didn't read the story (written by Warren Ellis I believe), but here's what wikipedia has on it:Stark injects his nervous system with a modified techno-organic virus that not only saves his life, but also fuses Stark's armor to his body. This allows him to store the inner layers of the Iron Man armor in the hollows of his bones as well as control it through direct brain impulses. He is also able to remotely connect to external communications systems such as satellites, cellular phones, and computers throughout the world. Because the armor's operating system is now directly connected to Stark's nervous system, its response time has been significantly improved.So in many ways, Stark is now the armor. If you have it in you, it would be a waste not to use it.Second, I haven't read Iron Man in some years, but when I did they were essentially hinting that being Iron Man is Stark's new addiction (replacing alcohol to some extent). He gets a rush from it and can't stop being Iron Man. I'm not sure if they've stuck with this or not, but it also is an explanation. Spoiler Question in white: Is this how Iron Man becomes Ultron (a female) at the end of Mighty Avengers #1? No clue.  I haven't read Mighty Avengers yet.

Captain Rooster

03-14-2007, 04:06 PM

New Captain America ... OR ... just another jumping shark? http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o295/LTRooster/NewCap.jpg

lleeder

03-14-2007, 04:09 PM

Why the big cuffs on the pants?Not gonna last, like Azreal Batman. 

This message was edited by lleeder on 3-14-07 @ 9:53 PM

booster11373

03-14-2007, 04:19 PM

Marvel has been known to put out false material as disinformation, I think this image might be along that line

Doctor Manhattan

03-14-2007, 04:50 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: New Captain America ... OR ... just another jumping shark?<img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o295/LTRooster/NewCap.jpg" border="0" width="527" height="800" /> It that supposed to be The Punisher taking over for Caps?

The_Showstopper

03-15-2007, 04:32 PM

I Got civil war 1-7 in the mail the other day and just finsihed reading them. I thought it was a very interesting and well written story, and ya kinda got a feal as to what was goin on in the mind of everyone involved from cap & iron man to Reid Richards & sue storm. I do have one question though and that is after the "war" is over why is spiderman back in the black suit at the end of civil war number 7? was it becase he went underground or another reasonOver all i enjoyed the series very much and am currious to see how things play out in the future (espically with Cap)

Sheeplovr

03-15-2007, 05:54 PM

The_Showstopper wrote: I Got civil war 1-7 in the mail the other day and just finsihed reading them. I thought it was a very interesting and well written story, and ya kinda got a feal as to what was goin on in the mind of everyone involved from cap & iron man to Reid Richards & sue storm. I do have one question though and that is after the "war" is over why is spiderman back in the black suit at the end of civil war number 7? was it becase he went underground or another reasonOver all i enjoyed the series very much and am currious to see how things play out in the future (espically with Cap)i still like civil war front lines better then civil war

The_Showstopper

03-15-2007, 06:02 PM

Sheeplovr wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: I Got civil war 1-7 in the mail the other day and just finsihed reading them. I thought it was a very interesting and well written story, and ya kinda got a feal as to what was goin on in the mind of everyone involved from cap & iron man to Reid Richards & sue storm.I do have one question though and that is after the "war" is over why is spiderman back in the black suit at the end of civil war number 7? was it becase he went underground or another reasonOver all i enjoyed the series very much and am currious to see how things play out in the future (espically with Cap)i still like civil war front lines better then civil war  Whats front lines another series. or is it a tie in?The only ones i have are civil war 1-7 and i ordered captain america #25 for obvious reasons.

This message was edited by The_Showstopper on 3-15-07 @ 10:32 PM

EliSnow

03-16-2007, 05:57 AM

The_Showstopper wrote: I do have one question though and that is after the "war" is over why is spiderman back in the black suit at the end of civil war number 7? was it becase he went underground or another reason.As shown in the Amazing Spider-man, the Kingpin found out where Spidey, Mary Jane and Aunt May were staying.  He put a contract out on all of them.  After the battle ended, the sniper shot at Spidey who ducked and Aunt May was shot.  Early buzz is that she's going to die.  Given that event, the fact that Spidey will blame himself for it (he doesn't unmask, no one knows where he is) and the end to the War, Spidey has decided to don the black suit.BTW, I've heard that Civil War: The Confession, which came out this week, was a must read, and really shed lights on the actions and motivations of Iron Man and Cap (and maybe others).  I haven't read it yet, but it may be that, in order to fully understand Civil War, you have to get this book.

Sheeplovr

03-16-2007, 06:00 AM

EliSnow

03-16-2007, 06:07 AM

Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: I do have one question though and that is after the "war" is over why is spiderman back in the black suit at the end of civil war number 7? was it becase he went underground or another reason.BTW, I've heard that Civil War: The Confession, which came out this week, was a must read, and really shed lights on the actions and motivations of Iron Man and Cap (and maybe others). I haven't read it yet, but it may be that, in order to fully understand Civil War, you have to get this book. those bastards maybe ill jsut read it while standing in the store or on the internet  Uh-oh.  I can see it now.  Sheepy reads Confession at the store, and then hears, "hey punk, dis ain't no reading library.  If you want to read it, you gots to pay for it!"Then Sheepy snaps from his frustration with the Civil War storyline, jumps the counter, and starts beating the guy saying "I liked Infinite Crisis better!  This makes House of M look brilliant!  Hawkeye lives motherfucker!"Well, maybe the last line was mine.

This message was edited by EliSnow on 3-16-07 @ 10:09 AM

Sheeplovr

03-16-2007, 06:12 AM

EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: I do have one question though and that is after the "war" is over why is spiderman back in the black suit at the end of civil war number 7? was it becase he went underground or another reason.BTW, I've heard that Civil War: The Confession, which came out this week, was a must read, and really shed lights on the actions and motivations of Iron Man and Cap (and maybe others). I haven't read it yet, but it may be that, in order to fully understand Civil War, you have to get this book. those bastards maybe ill jsut read it while standing in the store or on the internet  Uh-oh. I can see it now. Sheepy reads Confession at the store, and then hears, "hey punk, dis ain't no reading library. If you want to read it, you gots to pay for it!"Then Sheepy snaps from his frustration with the Civil War storyline, jumps the counter, and starts beating the guy saying "I liked Infinite Crisis better! This makes House of M look brilliant! Hawkeye lives motherfucker!"Well, maybe the last line was mine. This message was edited by EliSnow on 3-16-07 @ 10:09 AM i spend 3 to 4 hours a week at the comic shop i can read what i want theyve been letting me do inventory i get to hold a clip board and count the comics

EliSnow

03-16-2007, 06:23 AM

Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: I do have one question though and that is after the "war" is over why is spiderman back in the black suit at the end of civil war number 7? was it becase he went underground or another reason.BTW, I've heard that Civil War: The Confession, which came out this week, was a must read, and really shed lights on the actions and motivations of Iron Man and Cap (and maybe others). I haven't read it yet, but it may be that, in order to fully understand Civil War, you have to get this book.those bastards maybe ill jsut read it while standing in the store or on the internet  Uh-oh. I can see it now. Sheepy reads Confession at the store, and then hears, "hey punk, dis ain't no reading library. If you want to read it, you gots to pay for it!"Then Sheepy snaps from his frustration with the Civil War storyline, jumps the counter, and starts beating the guy saying "I liked Infinite Crisis better! This makes House of M look brilliant! Hawkeye lives motherfucker!"Well, maybe the last line was mine.This message was edited by EliSnow on 3-16-07 @ 10:09 AM  i spend 3 to 4 hours a week at the comic shop i can read what i wanttheyve been letting me do inventory i get to hold a clip board and count the comics Still, don't tell me there isn't a little part of you that wants to deliver a beat-down like I described above.

The_Showstopper

03-16-2007, 08:03 AM

EliSnow wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: I do have one question though and that is after the "war" is over why is spiderman back in the black suit at the end of civil war number 7? was it becase he went underground or another reason.As shown in the Amazing Spider-man, the Kingpin found out where Spidey, Mary Jane and Aunt May were staying.  He put a contract out on all of them.  After the battle ended, the sniper shot at Spidey who ducked and Aunt May was shot.  Early buzz is that she's going to die.  Given that event, the fact that Spidey will blame himself for it (he doesn't unmask, no one knows where he is) and the end to the War, Spidey has decided to don the black suit.BTW, I've heard that Civil War: The Confession, which came out this week, was a must read, and really shed lights on the actions and motivations of Iron Man and Cap (and maybe others).  I haven't read it yet, but it may be that, in order to fully understand Civil War, you have to get this book.Thanx for the info ill have to look for that issue

Sheeplovr

03-16-2007, 08:14 AM

EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: I do have one question though and that is after the "war" is over why is spiderman back in the black suit at the end of civil war number 7? was it becase he went underground or another reason.BTW, I've heard that Civil War: The Confession, which came out this week, was a must read, and really shed lights on the actions and motivations of Iron Man and Cap (and maybe others). I haven't read it yet, but it may be that, in order to fully understand Civil War, you have to get this book.those bastards maybe ill jsut read it while standing in the store or on the internet  Uh-oh. I can see it now. Sheepy reads Confession at the store, and then hears, "hey punk, dis ain't no reading library. If you want to read it, you gots to pay for it!"Then Sheepy snaps from his frustration with the Civil War storyline, jumps the counter, and starts beating the guy saying "I liked Infinite Crisis better! This makes House of M look brilliant! Hawkeye lives motherfucker!"Well, maybe the last line was mine.This message was edited by EliSnow on 3-16-07 @ 10:09 AM i spend 3 to 4 hours a week at the comic shop i can read what i wanttheyve been letting me do inventory i get to hold a clip board and count the comics Still, don't tell me there isn't a little part of you that wants to deliver a beat-down like I described above. nope cause the is a girl behind the counter and that would be insane

Captain Rooster

03-16-2007, 08:15 AM

EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: Sheeplovr wrote: EliSnow wrote: The_Showstopper wrote: I do have one question though and that is after the "war" is over why is spiderman back in the black suit at the end of civil war number 7? was it becase he went underground or another reason.BTW, I've heard that Civil War: The Confession, which came out this week, was a must read, and really shed lights on the actions and motivations of Iron Man and Cap (and maybe others). I haven't read it yet, but it may be that, in order to fully understand Civil War, you have to get this book.those bastards maybe ill jsut read it while standing in the store or on the internet  Uh-oh. I can see it now. Sheepy reads Confession at the store, and then hears, "hey punk, dis ain't no reading library. If you want to read it, you gots to pay for it!"Then Sheepy snaps from his frustration with the Civil War storyline, jumps the counter, and starts beating the guy saying "I liked Infinite Crisis better! This makes House of M look brilliant! Hawkeye lives motherfucker!"Well, maybe the last line was mine.This message was edited by EliSnow on 3-16-07 @ 10:09 AM i spend 3 to 4 hours a week at the comic shop i can read what i wanttheyve been letting me do inventory i get to hold a clip board and count the comics Still, don't tell me there isn't a little part of you that wants to deliver a beat-down like I described above. Sheepy ... put down the i57 and step away from the 45-yr-old comics store workr who lives in an "apartment" above his mom's garage. Let it go, Sheep.

cougarjake13

03-16-2007, 06:40 PM

ive been out of the comic loop for a long time but i wanted to get the capt america dies issue for the potential future value of it ( but they didnt have the hand and handcuff one, just one of capt running at you)anyway after reading it i dont feel like he'll be dead for any serious length of time, i know they got the movie in the works and im thinking that somewhere around the release date or a little before to build hype they might bring him backalso it says part one in issue 25, how many parts are there ?? and is it a monthly ???

Don Stugots

03-16-2007, 06:46 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: New Captain America ... OR ... just another jumping shark? <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o295/LTRooster/NewCap.jpg" border="0" />  it looks cool as an ELSEWORLDS TALE but not as the replacement of Capt.

Gvac

03-16-2007, 07:00 PM

It's kind of funny - you guys got me picking up comics semi-regularly recently, mostly because of this whole "Civil War" thing.  I was really having a good time with them and then they go and kill Cap.  I guess I won't be buying comics anymore.

Sheeplovr

03-22-2007, 01:28 PM

cougarjake13

03-22-2007, 06:36 PM

i picked up the back in black issue of spidermannot bad but i think the reasoning behind him changing back to it is cheesy and an easy cop out now is the civil war supossed to be a separate storyline than the reg issue of amazing spiderman ??cause the post above said he goes back to black in the civil war and then in this issue they says its the first time so whats the deal ???

booster11373

03-22-2007, 06:50 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: because the post above said he goes back to black in the civil war and then in this issue they says its the first time so whats the deal ???Bad story telling and a fucked up shipping schedule

cougarjake13

03-22-2007, 06:54 PM

booster11373 wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: because the post above said he goes back to black in the civil war and then in this issue they says its the first time so whats the deal ???Bad story telling and a fucked up shipping scheduleyeh i noticed that b/c the issue says feb 07 in it but it just came out this week

weekapaugjz

07-08-2007, 10:33 PM

i just read this over the weekend and i thought it was decent. i didn't think it was long enough. there were a lot of issues i thought could have been more drawn out and some fights that could have been a lot better. esp. the last fight, i was hoping for an all out rumble but it really fizzled. are the other civil war trades worth picking up? i know sheepy recomends front lines, but are the other ones any good? i esp. had my eye on the x-men one, is it worth getting or should i save my money for other stuff?

BalzacWB

07-08-2007, 10:51 PM

Im an xmen fanboy and everything I have heard is skip xmen: civil war.

I went with Civil War main, ASM civil war, captain america civil war, and wolverine civil war.

If your an xmen fan pick up wolverine, its a really good trade with a good side story.

ASM was also a good side story but not as good as wolvie, cap was ok, I really liked the winter soilder one shot that was included in the book.

I didnt pick up frontline even though i heard good things about how it started, I heard the last few issues were ok, I did hear good things about black panther.

There was a few more that interested me but I didnt have the money to pick up 10 different trades and from what I read on message boards most werent worth it unless you were a fan of the series (like young avengers, runaways, thunderbolts etc etc.)

So besides those 4 any other ones worth getting?

JustJon

07-09-2007, 06:06 AM

Scottyflamingo

07-09-2007, 08:04 AM

Thought it was pointless. A "War" where the only major death is Goliath, a 3rd rate character. I also don't get why they waited until AFTER Civil War to kill Cap.

Now World War Hulk, that's the shizzle.

JustJon

07-09-2007, 08:16 AM

I would say the bigger deaths were in issue 1.

I would think the biggest death in the series was Namorita. Otherwise it was Goliath and 4th rate villains. The Punisher was like the return of Scourge (check back issues of Cap for that one)

BalzacWB

07-09-2007, 03:59 PM

I picked up half to 3/4 of the Trades. Obviously Cap should be picked up. X-Men was ok. Front Lines was good. I liked Spectacular Spiderman over Amazing, but Amazing was a straight superhero story where SSM was more about the people and the repercussions. And The Initiative was a good coda.

so what else should I pick up?

I was gonna get iron man just for the two oneshots and the marvel univers one which has the return.

Anything else?

BadGuyDavey

07-09-2007, 08:40 PM

I think its funny that Captain America gets a Kennedy type assassination pulled on him

Also i was mad that Spider-man didnt just keep the fucking suit Iron Man gave him... Tony Starks is a G and if he gives you a Suit that is like A BILLION times better then the one you normally have, i suggest you keep it... even if you do defect to the other side like a fucking pussy

how much of a B.S. Batman vs Superman cop out was the whole... Captain america surrenders to Iron Man and tells him to lead the Mutant Registration Act

and for those of you who dont know wtf im talking about... They had a Batman Vs Superman fight... and they dont even battle to an end... nobody wins

I mean hell... im a batman fan and all.. but there is no way in hell that he could beat the shit out of superman like he did.. how is it that he could even punch superman and hurt him? doesnt make sense at all...

anyways yeah, i think the iron spider suit that Tony starks made for Peter Parker should be the standard spider-man suit now.. but ofcourse... stan lee is like the greediest fucktard in the world... and he wont do it

EliSnow

07-10-2007, 03:40 AM

Also i was mad that Spider-man didnt just keep the fucking suit Iron Man gave him... Tony Starks is a G and if he gives you a Suit that is like A BILLION times better then the one you normally have, i suggest you keep it... even if you do defect to the other side like a fucking pussy

anyways yeah, i think the iron spider suit that Tony starks made for Peter Parker should be the standard spider-man suit now.. but ofcourse... stan lee is like the greediest fucktard in the world... and he wont do it

Uh? First, Stan Lee hasn't done anything of any consequence at Marvel in over a decade. So he has nothing to do with it.

Second, the Iron Spider suit just turns Spidey into another Iron Man. It was okay for a short time but that's it.

Third, you suggest Spidey keep a computerized suit built by Iron Man even after he decides to go against Iron Man? That's not a smart idea, given that Iron Man may have had seven different failsafes/trackers, etc. built into the suit. Yes, Spidey disabled one that he had in there, but you still don't take that risk. Moreover, from an image standpoint, keeping the suit says you're with Iron Man. If you're going to oppose Iron Man, you ditch the suit so that people know you're against Iron Man.

My geek moment of the day is over ..... for now.

JustJon

07-10-2007, 08:06 AM

so what else should I pick up?

I was gonna get iron man just for the two oneshots and the marvel univers one which has the return.

Anything else?

Iron Man wasn't bad. Punisher War Journal wasn't bad if you like the character. Marvel Universe wasn't bad either. There are very few I read where I just said this sucks.

There are a few that my comic guy warned me off of (Thunderbolts, that one that was about a new character that was his miniseries and a CW one-shot), didn't read Wolverine.

BalzacWB

07-10-2007, 02:05 PM

Iron Man wasn't bad. Punisher War Journal wasn't bad if you like the character. Marvel Universe wasn't bad either. There are very few I read where I just said this sucks.

There are a few that my comic guy warned me off of (Thunderbolts, that one that was about a new character that was his miniseries and a CW one-shot), didn't read Wolverine.

thanks man... I will pick up IM, MU and possibly punisher.

If you are a fan of Wolverine def pick it up, I thought it was very good. It was a really good side story, def held its own

CofyCrakCocaine

07-10-2007, 04:11 PM

Say! I'm new here! What's this I hear about some durn civil war?

cougarjake13

07-10-2007, 06:03 PM

Say! I'm new here! What's this I hear about some durn civil war?

south wanted blacks

blacks wanted freedom

north wanted money

the north won

cougarjake13

07-14-2007, 12:06 PM

just bought the new thor #1

is there a reason why the started over ???

keep in mind i didnt follow the civil war so i know nothing of what happened other than reading through the threads on here

EliSnow

07-14-2007, 12:18 PM

just bought the new thor #1

is there a reason why the started over ???

keep in mind i didnt follow the civil war so i know nothing of what happened other than reading through the threads on here

It had nothing to do with Civil War. Thor and the other Asgard gods died years ago right before the Avengers Disassembled storyline. So there's been no Thor for about 3-4 years, I think.

cougarjake13

07-14-2007, 06:20 PM

It had nothing to do with Civil War. Thor and the other Asgard gods died years ago right before the Avengers Disassembled storyline. So there's been no Thor for about 3-4 years, I think.

but i remember from reading in this thread somewhere that thor died in the storyline ??

and a human tried to pick up the hammer and was able to

EliSnow

07-14-2007, 06:25 PM

but i remember from reading in this thread somewhere that thor died in the storyline ??

and a human tried to pick up the hammer and was able to

The only Thor-related thing that happened during the Civil War was that there was a clone of Thor created by Reed Richards, after Thor "died", and the clone killed Goliath II or III. I don't know if they showed a human (presumably Donald Blake picking up Mjolnir, but I'm not sure. But Thor died long before Civil War.

EDIT: Here's the end of Thor's story from Marvel.com (not including the latest issue:

Almost immediately, Thor was attacked by Loki, who had teamed with Surtur to create weapons for Thor’s enemies that were forged in the same way as Mjolnir. The fight for Asgard ascended to a level of Ragnarok. Although Thor managed to defeat Loki, severing his head, the war left many of Thor’s allies, such as Sif and the Warriors Three, dead. Thor forced Surtur to re-forge Mjolnir, which had shattered during the battle. While Asgard succumbed to Ragnarok, effectively wiping the Asgardian world from existence, Thor sought out the gods known as Those Who Sit Above In Shadow. Thor refused an offer to join them, instead confronting them in battle. Thor destroyed Those Who Sit Above In Shadow as Asgard died. The Odinpower congratulated Thor on succeeding at his greatest mission. Thor then closed his eyes, apparently joining his people in death.

A Hammer Falls
Shortly following Thor's actions, the Mjolnir sped through the cosmos and landed on Earth, bringing the seemingly deceased Doctor Doom with it. Doom sought out the Mjolnir, believing he was worthy. However, when he reached the hammer, there was a blast of light, and Doom found he was not worthy of the Mjolnir. Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four stated that he believed the flash may have been a signal to someone, perhaps signifying the return of Thor and the Asgardians.

cougarjake13

07-14-2007, 06:43 PM

The only Thor-related thing that happened during the Civil War was that there was a clone of Thor created by Reed Richards, after Thor "died", and the clone killed Goliath II or III. I don't know if they showed a human (presumably Donald Blake picking up Mjolnir, but I'm not sure. But Thor died long before Civil War.

EDIT: Here's the end of Thor's story from Marvel.com (not including the latest issue:

Almost immediately, Thor was attacked by Loki, who had teamed with Surtur to create weapons for Thor’s enemies that were forged in the same way as Mjolnir. The fight for Asgard ascended to a level of Ragnarok. Although Thor managed to defeat Loki, severing his head, the war left many of Thor’s allies, such as Sif and the Warriors Three, dead. Thor forced Surtur to re-forge Mjolnir, which had shattered during the battle. While Asgard succumbed to Ragnarok, effectively wiping the Asgardian world from existence, Thor sought out the gods known as Those Who Sit Above In Shadow. Thor refused an offer to join them, instead confronting them in battle. Thor destroyed Those Who Sit Above In Shadow as Asgard died. The Odinpower congratulated Thor on succeeding at his greatest mission. Thor then closed his eyes, apparently joining his people in death.

A Hammer Falls
Shortly following Thor's actions, the Mjolnir sped through the cosmos and landed on Earth, bringing the seemingly deceased Doctor Doom with it. Doom sought out the Mjolnir, believing he was worthy. However, when he reached the hammer, there was a blast of light, and Doom found he was not worthy of the Mjolnir. Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four stated that he believed the flash may have been a signal to someone, perhaps signifying the return of Thor and the Asgardians.

thank you for clearing that up

JustJon

07-16-2007, 08:22 AM

but i remember from reading in this thread somewhere that thor died in the storyline ??

and a human tried to pick up the hammer and was able to

It was in the Fantastic Four Civil War story, and I think one of the other ones.

cougarjake13

07-16-2007, 05:30 PM

is anyone reading the world war hulk ??

i got the first one incredible hulk #106 but it seems like he's crossing over into every other title as well

is this something worth following ???

i didnt read or buy any of the planet hulks

JustJon

07-17-2007, 09:10 AM

I read the Planet Hulk hard cover. It was ok. I found Greg Pak's writing a lil disjointed at times, but ok. Ultimately, it read like a wannabe Conan story.

EliSnow

07-17-2007, 09:37 AM

I read the Planet Hulk hard cover. It was ok. I found Greg Pak's writing a lil disjointed at times, but ok. Ultimately, it read like a wannabe Conan story.

I had similar thoughts. I think I liked it a litte bit more than JustJon, but not much.

Ay Kay Forty2

07-21-2007, 11:20 PM

even before the whole World War Hulk came out, I kinda told myself that i would buy all of the stuff for it, including the World War Hulk comics and the multiple tie-ins. Now, after reading it, it almost seems half worth it. I mean, the real World War Hulk issues seem to be worth it and also the Incredible Hulk issues. But, the rest of the stuff seems to be either filler material or just plain lame. I mean, i read the Heroes for Hire isssue....eeeh. The Iron Man one so far, just told the POV of Tony Stark before and when he got his ass kicked by the Hulk.Also, it's the same thing with the "Irredeemable Ant-Man". They just seem like useless tie-ins then anything. I was kinda hoping they'd add something interesting.

But, I am enjoying the limited issues such as "World War Hulk", "WWH: X:men", and kinda Gamma Corps.