Kentucky Derby 2006

[narc]

So apparently, the odds-on favorite for the Kentucky Derby is a horse named Lawyer Ron, who just won the Arkansas Derby. Have R&F addressed this on the air?

[PapaBear]

No, but they usually talk about the winner after the race. I don't know if they've ever discussed it pre-race, though.

[Tall_James]

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[Tall_James]

<p>Not to denigrate your thread, but I just don't find horse racing that interesting.</p>

[FUNKMAN]

Reynaldo should have winner predictions on the Kentucky Derby on May 8th...

[Death Metal Moe]

I want Roberto to do the play by play of the races.

[narc]

You're right, and I don't think they'd be likely to talk about it that much except for the whole Ron connection. If there was a horse with Fez as part of the name they'd definitely talk about it.

[Tall_James]

<p><img height="316" src="http://clipartreview.com/_gallery/_LG/46964.jpg" width="350" border="0" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>He's wearing a Fez.&nbsp; It's all I got.</p>

[suggums]

<p><img width="213" height="312" border="0" src="http://www.cocktailtimes.com/history/top_mint_julep.jpg" /></p><p>ill be watching. cheers!&nbsp;</p>

[stickyfingers]

There are several horses that will take betting interests....barbaro is a horse that just won a gutsy race at Gulfstream Park and is undefeated going into the derby off of an 8-week layoff.&nbsp; Lawyer Ron is a great horse that beat a 14-horse field over the weekend in convincing fashion....this horse also has a 'feel-good' story behind it ala Afleet Alex from last year, LR was named after the owner (heinz's) lawyer who had been his personal lawyer for 30+ years, sometime recent the owner died in a drowning accident so they kind of doing a 'win one for the gipper' type of hype here....Discreet Cat is a horse that has been based out of India trained by Saaed bin Suroor who would love to win 'over here' because traditionally those horses come here and get stomped, if you pay any attention to Belmont day at Belmont Park he usually ships 3 or 4 there and is lucky to take home a check,&nbsp;supposedly this horse is for real, I bet him with Vegas and got 50-1 odds about a month ago so I put 20 on him to win 1000....Finally, the favorite will be Brother Derek...nothing bad to say here should be the favorite and do well barring any road trouble and post position problems.<br /><br />These are my thoughts as of now...derby is 4 weeks or so away...will post again

[PapaBear]

<p>...derby is 4 weeks or so away...will post again </p><p>Don't wait the whole four weeks. The Derby is in 20 days.</p>

[spoon]

It's Lawyer Ron, Brother Derrick and Sinister Minister's race to lose.&nbsp; I'll pick between these three based on feel, gate #, and most recent races for close to the start time.&nbsp; It's hard to go against Sinister Minister for me as this baby seems to win any way it needs too.&nbsp; Yet Lawyer Ron and BD are very strong horses as well and one of them WILL be the favorite barring any last second surprises or injuries.&nbsp; Stick, who would be the riders on these three horses and give me some feedback on them as you seem to be up on this shit.&nbsp; It's a huge factor that is sometimes overlooked and I don't want to fall into that trap.

[PapaBear]

I just hope whoever wins loses the next race. I can't take another Tripple Crown let down.

[stickyfingers]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br />It's Lawyer Ron, Brother Derrick and Sinister Minister's race to lose.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /><br />It's hard to go against Sinister Minister for me as this baby seems to win any way it needs too.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /><br />Stick, who would be the riders on these three horses and give me some feedback on them as you seem to be up on this shit.&nbsp; It's a huge factor that is sometimes overlooked and I don't want to fall into that trap. <p>It's always someone's race to lose.&nbsp; Last year it was Steinbrenner's Bellamy Road who 'should have' cruised.&nbsp; Didn't happen.&nbsp; One factor that usually determines the outcomes of races at any level is the early speed.&nbsp; If one horse can set the pace, that horse usually will run a good race.&nbsp; If several horses are used to being up front and try to run that way there is a speed duel and can really wear these horses out.&nbsp; Therefore, I have to caution you on your liking of Sinister Minister.&nbsp; Despite his awesome display he was the lone speed horse in that field on a track (Keeneland) that is a speed biased track.&nbsp; I am not convinced.&nbsp; Oh, and his only other win was a maiden claiming race which means 2 things...1)&nbsp; he was racing against horses that had never won a race like himself...2)&nbsp; it was a claiming race which meant the owner was willing to part ways with him to anyone that would pay the $62,500.&nbsp; I've heard of peaking at the right time but this would be unprecidented.<br /><br /><br />Lawyer Ron - John McKee<br /><br />Bro Derek- Alex Solis<br /><br />Sinister Minister - Garrett Gomez</p>

[AppleBoy]

Although inconsistent, I like A.P. Warrior.&nbsp;&nbsp;I also like&nbsp;Bob and John as well as Brother Derek and Lawyer Ron.&nbsp; I'll be placing money on whomever Garrett Gomez is riding, Sinister Minister or otherwise.

[mendyweiss]

<img height="369" src="http://www.digitalstoryteller.com/BTV99/kraus/images/small/052399.Tears2.jpg" width="300" border="0" />Alls I know, win or lose I be cleanin the shit out they stalls!

[stickyfingers]

Discreet Cat out, First Samurai out<br /><br />I guess I will give a list of all the early wagers I made:<br /><br />Brother Derek (9-1)&nbsp;30 to win 270<br /><br />Cause to Believe (30-1) 10 to win 300<br /><br />Deputy Glitters (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br />Discreet Cat (50-1) 20 to win 1000&nbsp; (-20)<br /><br />Sacred Light (30-1) 6 to win 180<br /><br />Sunriver (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br />Barbaro (12-1) 50 to win 600<br /><br />Sharp Humor (80-1) 6 to win 480<br /><br />Sinister Minister (100-1) 20 to win 2000<br /><br />Lawyer Ron (10-1) 50 to win 500<br /><br />Steppenwolfer (45-1) 10 to win 450<br /><br /><br />Overall I am risking 184 with my shortest return being Sacred Light to win 180...I would actually lose if that horse wins but there are some chances here to make some good money.&nbsp; Lawyer Ron looks like my best chance to do well.

[Don Stugots]

I do my picking the day of the race.&nbsp; I look at the Daily news, and pick one based on name, and name alone.&nbsp; THen i run to OTB. I do pretty good.&nbsp; I think Sharp Humor so far.&nbsp; We shall see.

[ADF]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br />Reynaldo should have winner predictions on the Kentucky Derby on May 8th...<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Shouldn't those be postdictions?&nbsp;</p>

[mdr55]

<p><font size="2">I got $20 to spend on the Derby. </font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="5">Yo Stickey, give me some tips for making money on this race!!!!</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[El Mudo]

<strong>stickyfingers</strong> wrote:<br>Discreet Cat out, First Samurai out<br /><br />I guess I will give a list of all the early wagers I made:<br /><br />Brother Derek (9-1) 30 to win 270<br /><br />Cause to Believe (30-1) 10 to win 300<br /><br />Deputy Glitters (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br />Discreet Cat (50-1) 20 to win 1000 (-20)<br /><br />Sacred Light (30-1) 6 to win 180<br /><br />Sunriver (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br />Barbaro (12-1) 50 to win 600<br /><br />Sharp Humor (80-1) 6 to win 480<br /><br />Sinister Minister (100-1) 20 to win 2000<br /><br />Lawyer Ron (10-1) 50 to win 500<br /><br />Steppenwolfer (45-1) 10 to win 450<br /><br /><br />Overall I am risking 184 with my shortest return being Sacred Light to win 180...I would actually lose if that horse wins but there are some chances here to make some good money. Lawyer Ron looks like my best chance to do well.<p></p>

They shoulda put Steppenwolfer by Magic Carpet Rider

[FezPaul]

<strong>ADF</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br />Reynaldo should have winner predictions on the Kentucky Derby on May 8th... <p>Shouldn't those be postdictions?&nbsp;</p><p>If the race is in 20 days, they would be predictions.</p>

[mdr55]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>stickyfingers</strong> wrote:<br />Discreet Cat out, First Samurai out<br /><br />I guess I will give a list of all the early wagers I made:<br /><br />Brother Derek (9-1) 30 to win 270<br /><br />Cause to Believe (30-1) 10 to win 300<br /><br />Deputy Glitters (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br />Discreet Cat (50-1) 20 to win 1000 (-20)<br /><br />Sacred Light (30-1) 6 to win 180<br /><br />Sunriver (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br />Barbaro (12-1) 50 to win 600<br /><br />Sharp Humor (80-1) 6 to win 480<br /><br />Sinister Minister (100-1) 20 to win 2000<br /><br />Lawyer Ron (10-1) 50 to win 500<br /><br />Steppenwolfer (45-1) 10 to win 450<br /><br />
<p>&nbsp;</p><p>Will the odds change when their post position are posted???&nbsp;</p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p>

[FezPaul]

<strong>mdr55</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>stickyfingers</strong> wrote:<br />Discreet Cat out, First Samurai out<br /><br />I guess I will give a list of all the early wagers I made:<br /><br />Brother Derek (9-1) 30 to win 270<br /><br />Cause to Believe (30-1) 10 to win 300<br /><br />Deputy Glitters (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br />Discreet Cat (50-1) 20 to win 1000 (-20)<br /><br />Sacred Light (30-1) 6 to win 180<br /><br />Sunriver (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br />Barbaro (12-1) 50 to win 600<br /><br />Sharp Humor (80-1) 6 to win 480<br /><br />Sinister Minister (100-1) 20 to win 2000<br /><br />Lawyer Ron (10-1) 50 to win 500<br /><br />Steppenwolfer (45-1) 10 to win 450<br /><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Will the odds change when their post position are posted???&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><em><strong><font face="verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif" color="#990066" size="2">when the post positions are posted I'm sure someone will post a post position post, but I'm not positive.</font></strong></em></p>

[El Mudo]

They need to make those post position posts posthaste!

[FezPaul]

<font color="#ff6600" size="2"><em><strong>If the post position poster passes on, he'll have to make his post position post posthumesly.</strong></em></font>

[mdr55]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>FezPaul</strong> wrote:<br /><strong /><p> </p><p><em><strong><font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif" color="#990066">when the post positions are posted I'm sure someone will post a post position post, but I'm not positive.</font></strong></em></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>That's a tongue twister if I ever saw one. Can you repeat that but faster?<br />
</p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p>

[stickyfingers]

<strong>mdr55</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>stickyfingers</strong> wrote:<br />Discreet Cat out, First Samurai out<br /><br />I guess I will give a list of all the early wagers I made:<br /><br />Brother Derek (9-1) 30 to win 270<br /><br />Cause to Believe (30-1) 10 to win 300<br /><br />Deputy Glitters (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br />Discreet Cat (50-1) 20 to win 1000 (-20)<br /><br />Sacred Light (30-1) 6 to win 180<br /><br />Sunriver (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br />Barbaro (12-1) 50 to win 600<br /><br />Sharp Humor (80-1) 6 to win 480<br /><br />Sinister Minister (100-1) 20 to win 2000<br /><br />Lawyer Ron (10-1) 50 to win 500<br /><br />Steppenwolfer (45-1) 10 to win 450<br /><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Will the odds change when their post position are posted???&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>No...these were made months ago and are called prop bets/future wagers....the odds do not change like they would in a parimutual field which is what you will see on the 6th.<br /><br />I keep hearing good things about Point Determined and Sweetnorthersaint....2 horses I do not have as part of my wagers so far.&nbsp; Need to keep an eye on them.</p>

[narc]

Anybody going to put down, like, more than a C-note?

[stickyfingers]

I will probably have more than a C-note invested in several of the races that day.<br /><br />Its been quite some time since I've placed a wager on the #18 horse...geez

[AppleBoy]

I'm heading down to Delaware Park later today to watch the race.&nbsp; I'm probably going to wheel a trifecta with Bob and John, A.P. Warrior&nbsp;and Brother Derek, wheel another trifecta with Bob and John, Brother Derek and Lawyer Ron and play Barbaro and Sweetnorthernsaint to place.&nbsp; I'll probably check the boards and see where the money isn't going and play a few long shots, maybe Deputy Glitters to win.&nbsp; Good luck everyone!

[Reephdweller]

My money is on Lawyer Ron

[Crash]

My brother-in-law is the Agent for Jose Lezcano, the jockey that's riding Deputy Glitters today. Be nice if he won, but it's a pretty big long shot.

[cougarjake13]

im picking sinister minister because i dont follow horse racing and have no clue about it at all i just like the name

[narc]

That'd be an awesome name for a death metal band.

[stickyfingers]

i guess its time to put my mouth where my money is....My pick is Barbaro <br /><br />I also used:&nbsp; Point Determined, AP Warrior, Sweetnorthernsaint, and Brother Derek.&nbsp; I think I have every combination using the above for exactas

[PapaBear]

Lawyer Ron is paying 10-1. I'm putting 100 imaginary bucks down with my imaginary bookie.

[narc]

Lawyer Ron's now at 9-1.

[torker]

Sparkle Pony by a nose.

[Crippler]

<p>They're in the gate (most of them)...my picks: 7-18-9</p>

[stickyfingers]

<strong>stickyfingers</strong> wrote:<br />Discreet Cat out, First Samurai out<br /><br />I guess I will give a list of all the early wagers I made:<br /><br />Brother Derek (9-1)&nbsp;30 to win 270<br /><br />Cause to Believe (30-1) 10 to win 300<br /><br />Deputy Glitters (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br />Discreet Cat (50-1) 20 to win 1000&nbsp; (-20)<br /><br />Sacred Light (30-1) 6 to win 180<br /><br />Sunriver (50-1) 6 to win 300<br /><br /><font style="background-color: #ffff33">Barbaro (12-1) 50 to win 600</font><br /><br />Sharp Humor (80-1) 6 to win 480<br /><br />Sinister Minister (100-1) 20 to win 2000<br /><br />Lawyer Ron (10-1) 50 to win 500<br /><br />Steppenwolfer (45-1) 10 to win 450<br /><br /><br />Overall I am risking 184 with my shortest return being Sacred Light to win 180...I would actually lose if that horse wins but there are some chances here to make some good money.&nbsp; Lawyer Ron looks like my best chance to do well. <p>not too shabby</p>

[The Blowhard]

Good pick Sticky. This morning my barber was raving about Barbaro, and damn it, I went with Lawyer Ron. Barbaro looked great, and I hope we finally have a new Triple Crown winner this year. Prado can now be considered one of the best jocks around, I've always liked him.

[El Mudo]

Good day for the Old Line State...

Our Horse industry really needs it(declining track attendance and a Herpes outbreak)...I only wish the Laurel horse (Sweetnorthernsaint) had won cause that's closer to where I live (and I drive by there every day)



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By the way, I doubt any one else saw this, but real early on in ESPN's coverage, I would say around 1230, 1pm, the interview of an obviously hammered Jerry O'Connell by one of the ESPN reporters was probably five of the funniest minutes of TV i've seen in a long time...

[Patches]

<p>Our Horse industry really needs it(declining track attendance and a Herpes outbreak)...</p><p>Typo alert- don't you mean your Hoes industry?</p>

[stickyfingers]

Preakness pick:<br /><br />I am looking for some value here and I see it coming in the form of Brother Derek.&nbsp; Many would look at his Derby performance and think that he just wasn't good enough to beat Barbaro.&nbsp; Well, maybe they didn't watch the race and didn't pick up on a couple of things.&nbsp; Brother Derek spent the whole trip 4 or 5 wide, 9 wide on the last turn, and didn't fall apart down the stretch like many of the others did.&nbsp; Brother Derek tossed one of his shoes, and in a deep track that is devastating.&nbsp; Watch for this horse to rebound and benefit from the shortened distance.<br /><br />Play for Preakness:&nbsp; Brother Derek at 4-1 or better.&nbsp; 2nd in exactas behind Barbaro only (expect a short price)<br /><br />Your friend and advisor,<br /><br />Sticky

[Patches]

<p>Wow... I feel pretty smart.. I was actually thinking the same thing.&nbsp; Brother Derek started in the what, 20th post?&nbsp; Thats nearly impossible to make up from, running that wide in a race that big (and not that long).&nbsp; The shoe I didn't know about, but that just sounds like bad luck- I really like this horse in this race.&nbsp; </p><p>On the other hand Barbaro was so damn convincing in the Derby, he is tough to count out... I think I will be betting some combinations involving these 2.</p>

[The Blowhard]

I really don't think that this is a good betting race, but if Brother Derek is 4-1 or better, I'm in. He seems to be a perfect horse for this race, and any exacta box without Barbaro would be nice.(I won't hold my breath).

[El Mudo]

Poor Barbaro! I HATE seeing stuff like that happen...how unfortunate...

The Vet they talked to on NBC says he doesnt think its life threatening, but he probably is done racing....

[El Mudo]

Vet man says fracture above and below ankle...

Theyre going to move him to Penn to evaluate him further for surgery...see if the blood supply to his leg has been affected

[newport king]

<p>do they still shoot the horses or inject them? i'm just wondering....really i hope its ok. for some reason i hate the thought of horses being put down</p>

[narc]

Sounds like it'll either be
<img src="http://wnyheritagepress.org/photos_week_2004/gowanda/gowanda_glue_factory_lge.jpg"
<br><br><br><br>
Or
<img src="http://www.horsematings.com/Files/image2/mating%20horse.jpg"
<br><br> for Barbaro