Sid and Nancy

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

<p>I just watched this movie for a second time on the Indie channel. It's re-opened my obsession with Sid and Nancy Spungen. A love story gone horribly wrong. </p><p>I expect no one under 30 responding to this thread. If anyone responds to it at all. </p>

[Death Metal Moe]

<p>I'm aware of the story but since I wasn't a child of that time I didn't have any real interest past that of someone with an interest in music in general.</p><p>Plus I get annoyed at drug addicts, they bring it on themselves.</p><p>I still should see it though.</p>

[grlNIN]

I watched that movie years ago and i can remember that i couldn't imagine anyone else playing those roles. The woman they got to act as Nancy was so obnoxious and strangle-worthy that you had no choice but to not blame Sid for the accusal.<br />

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

<p>I expect no one under 30 responding </p><p>I correct myself!</p>

[Death Metal Moe]

Sounds annoying.&nbsp; I'll have to catch it.

[Death Metal Moe]

<strong>Alice S. Fuzzybutt</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p>I expect no one under 30 responding <p>&nbsp;</p><p>I correct myself!</p><p>You needed to be................................CORRRRRRRRRRECTE D!</p><p><img height="358" src="http://www.indelibleinc.com/kubrick/films/shining/images/shining_bathroom.jpg" width="447" border="0" /></p>

[grlNIN]

<p>I see Alice has also not perfected the art of quoting.</p><p>And i had to live up to some &quot;old soul&quot; quota i've been dished out.&nbsp;</p>

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

<p>Chloe Webb was completely obnoxious as Nancy. She did a great job. Haven't seen much of her lately. The last thin I remember seeing her in was Tales of The City. And Two and a Half Men (yes, I watch that show!).</p><p>Courtney Love was in it as Nancy's friend Gretchen. She's also a tragic character, not really living her life but experiencing it. Drugs will do that. It makes me laugh that she's gone from hardcore drugs to doctor's prescriptions. Like it makes it anymore right.</p>

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

<strong>grlNIN</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I see Alice has also not perfected the art of quoting.</p><p>And i had to live up to some &quot;old soul&quot; quota i've been dished out.&nbsp;</p><p>On my computer my quoting is fine.</p><p>You're an obnoxious bitch. That's why I love you.</p>

[grlNIN]

<p>But would you stab me to death with a knife?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Inquiring minds would like to know and speculate.&nbsp;</p>

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

Only if you gave me no choice.

[BrownTown]

<p>I was totally obsessed with this movie in high school, as I was a geek that loved the Sex Pistols. Couldn't tell you how many times I watched my bad VHS copy of it in my formative years. Then about a year and a half ago I caught it on IFC or some channel like that, and my opinion changed. The only thing that keeps the movie from being unwatchable for me is the nostalgia aspect (and the song &quot;I Want A Job&quot;). I understand Nancy Spungen is supposed to be an unlikeable character in the film, but fuck if I don't want to stab Chloe Webb at the Chelsea myself for doing such a good job of playing a total twat. Great acting job, but anti-entertaining for the viewer.</p><p>On the contrary, the soundtrack is absolutely amazing. As recently as two weeks ago I was looking for an MP3 of that version of The Pouges - &quot;Haunted&quot; to no avail (My album is too scratched to listen to anymore).</p>

[Plethora]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>Death Metal Moe</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'm aware of the story but since I wasn't a child of that time I didn't have any real interest past that of someone with an interest in music in general.<br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And then you go and quote <em>The Shining</em>... Hmmm... </p><p>Sid does in Nancy <a href="http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/sid_vicious/index.html" target="_blank">October 12, 1978</a></p><p><em>The Shining</em> is released in <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/" target="_blank">1980</a> <br /></p><p>Missed it by about 14 months then I suppose.&nbsp; I never got the &quot;it was before my time&quot; thing.&nbsp; <em>Everything </em>is influenced by what came before.&nbsp; I think it's a lot more interesting to see new things knowing the framework of what came before.<br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I dug Sid &amp; Nancy, saw it ages ago... if nothing else, it gave us &quot;<em>Boring Sidney, Boring</em>&quot;<br /></p>

[PapaBear]

I never did get around to seeing all of Sid &amp; Nancy, but I once saw an interview w/ Chloe Webb. She said that she got so into the rage (in the scene where she punches out the glass in the phone booth), that she accidentally hit one of the panes of real glass, instead of the stunt glass. The glass was like a half inch thick, and she didn't even realise she had punched the real glass.

[WhistlePig]

I've seen this movie but I thought the Johnny Rotten character was so bad/
miscast it made me not like the movie. I'm a big Sex Pistols/P.I.L. fan and have
seen/read a lot of stuff about the band and especially John Lydon and just didn't
like how he was portrayed. I love the director's other movies, though, especially
Repo Man.

[Mike Teacher]

<p>&quot;Sid !!!! ... Where's My Smack !!!...&quot;</p><p>Always loved the film. Miscastings/annoying performances aside, it did catch a unique time in music and the vibe of the time. And the soundtrack was cemented in college/alternative radio at the time, and for a long time after that. </p><p>IMDB review talks about whether some of the humor was intentional or not, and man, there are some hilarious moments/lines that occur amidst the angst, obnoxiusness. Tragic and pathetic people who were in and around that most unlikely of bands/scenes.</p>

[Freakshow]

<p>I think it's sitting in the mid 200's in my netflix queue, so I may see sometime in 2008.&nbsp; I remember when my parents&nbsp;rented it, but I wasn't allowed because I was too young.&nbsp; The same thing happened with Monty Python and the Holy Grail, and Airplane.&nbsp; I'm pretty sure both are rated PG, now.</p>

[curtoid]

<p>I loved this movie when it came out - saw it a few times. The first time (Georgetown's Key Theatre), packed with DC punks, it just washed over me like a wonderflully, demented black comedy. Named my cat Sid right after seeing it - more because of wanting to rememebr that experience - that time in my life and the people i was around&nbsp;- &nbsp;than actually name him after Sid Vicious. </p><p><strong><em>&quot;&nbsp;I look like fuckin' Stevie Nicks!&quot;</em></strong></p><p>Everyone in the theatre seemed to get that aspect of it. Each time after I saw it afterwards, the audiences took it more and more serious. I've actually never caught it on VHS, DVD or even cable because I'm afraid it can never hold up to that viewing. </p><p><img height="425" src="http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/MMPH/19195.jpg" width="339" border="0" /></p><p>Gary Oldman and Choe Webb were amazing in those roles, but I do agree with Whistlepig that the mis-casting for Johnny Rotten did kind of throw me out of the movie for&nbsp;a moment.&nbsp;</p>

[Badinia]

<p>I've seen this movie a jillion times, I also caught on the IFC the other day and was&nbsp;hyp-no-tized.&nbsp; I like&nbsp;looking for the&nbsp;black rubber bands that&nbsp;are holding Gary's hair up.&nbsp; I've read Nancy's mom's book, And I don't Wanna Live This Life, and Johnny Rotten's No Blacks,No Dogs, No Irish, and the film is not &quot;real&quot;, but it is a great cartoon version of the period.</p><p>&nbsp; There are so many great quotes by crowd members in that movie.</p><p>&quot;I don't wanna be a&nbsp;punk no more.&nbsp; Gonna be a rude boy.&nbsp; Like my dad.&quot;</p><p>Regards, Badinia</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Badinia on 4-14-06 @ 12:51 PM</span>

[mikeyboy]

<p>This is a movie I've always <em>wanted</em> to like but never did.&nbsp; I've seen it 3 or 4 times, and I always expect it to grab me in a way that it never did before.&nbsp; I'm really interested in the period and its characters, and I love Repo Man, but this never clicked for me.</p><p>Interesting factoid, Courtney Love claims that she was considered for the role of Nancy, but was glad she didn't get it because it would have fucked up her career trajectory.</p>

[KennethC]

<p>Here are John Lydon's thought's on the film and Sid's drug addiction. This comes from an interview with Lydon by Dr. Drew, of all people:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><strong>drDrew.com: What did you think of the movie <em>Sid and Nancy</em>, which purported to tell the story of your late bassist, Sid Vicious?</strong> <br /><strong>JL:</strong> It was so typical, so completely taken away from reality. A film like that is to be expected. When I raised a protest, Alex Cox, the filmmaker, said, &quot;Well, this is my version.&quot; </p><p><strong>drDrew.com: Did the movie get anything right?</strong> <br /><strong>JL:</strong> Maybe the name Sid. I liked Gary Oldman's acting, but he was presented with a Polaroid version and that's how he acted--like a Polaroid. On the other hand, anybody could have been as awful as Nancy. It was impossible to be too over-the-top as Nancy. </p><p><strong>drDrew.com: Could you see what heroin was doing to Sid?</strong> <br /><strong>JL:</strong> Not at first. It crept up. But it was amazing how quickly everything came along. You can't help these people. Nothing matters to them. Heroin is death--it's the drug of self-pity, the coward's choice. </p><p><strong>Source: <a href="http://www.drdrew.com/DrewLive/article.asp?id=722">http://www.drdrew.com/DrewLive/article.asp?id=722</a></strong></p>

[Billy Staples]

<strong>Death Metal Moe</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Plus I get annoyed at drug addicts, they bring it on themselves.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>yes you should,after all we are all the same...like every dummer,&nbsp; every balloon artist and every cat juggler</p>

[Dirtybird12]

<p>I saw this movie in Georgetown when it first came out and thought it was great,</p><p>I think its really cheesy now. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Sid was a talentless junky and his chick was junky band-whore. </p><p>what a waste. but one of my fav scenes is when Nancy is in a phone booth calling her mom for money. </p>

[Ralphy Ramone]

<p>If any of you board gurus know how to search back far enough,I know I wrote something up about seeing the two of them get out of a cab just before Sid's show at the old Max's KC.I think it was a week or two before she died.Sid was performing solo that night.The next time I saw him was at the Palladium during a Blondie show.He was out on bail.A couple of us tried to talk to him but he was too eff'd up.Just drooled.He died the next week or so.</p><p>I think I just told the story.</p>

[FezPaul]

<p><strong><font face="courier new,courier,monospace" size="2">The movie's okay, but IFC also has a &quot;Pistols&quot; documentary called, &quot;The Filth and the Fury&quot;.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font face="courier new,courier,monospace" size="2">Lots of interviews and performance footage, I think it better captures the scene.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font face="courier new,courier,monospace" size="2">But what do I know, I was in Ohio, listening to Led Zeppelin, when this was happening.</font></strong></p>

[MilkmanDann]

The movie really wasnt about the music, just a really f'ed up love story. Thought Gary Oldman was great in it, also whoever was playing Malcolm Mclaren. Shame courtney loves &quot;career&quot; didnt go elsewhere, maybe could've had another few Nirvana records. cunt

[bitterbuffalo]

The only lingering question I have ever been left with was this: Who was Rock Head supposed to be? Iggy Pop? David Bowie? David Johannsen? Who Dammit!!!!! Who?!?! My life is not complete until I know who is being characterized in an overblown, overrated pseudo-love story!<br />

[BrownTown]

<p>&quot;The Rockhead does not do drugs.&quot;<br /></p>

[hedges]

Speaking about the movie, Gary Oldman is always a genius. About the death of Nancy, there are several theories about that. About the music, Sid was a barely competent musician but became a punk icon.

[jetdog]

28.9

[high fly]

<p><font size="2">I only saw the movie twice, but that was enough.</font></p><p><font size="2">I liked the scene, I think in the Chelsea, where they are going downstairs and who but Mr. Iggy Pop himself is coming up the staircase?</font></p><p><font size="2"></font></p><p><font size="2">Having the album and being able to truthfully say I dug the Pistols out of the chute is good enough for me.</font></p><p><font size="2">In the end, it's just the music, man.</font></p>

[legroommusic]

<strong>bitterbuffalo</strong> wrote:<br />The only lingering question I have ever been left with was this: Who was Rock Head supposed to be? Iggy Pop? David Bowie? David Johannsen? Who Dammit!!!!! Who?!?! My life is not complete until I know who is being characterized in an overblown, overrated pseudo-love story!<br /><p>I was thinkin' either alice cooper or one of the romantics.</p>

[drusilla]

<p>&nbsp;&lt;---under 30 as well </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i've seen the movie a few times. i really like it, but i'm a huge fan of oldman.&nbsp; chloe webb has always annoyed me in anything i've seen her in from china beach to twins.&nbsp; i think it's her voice &amp; how she always tried to be cute.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[MilkmanDann]

<strong>drusilla</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;&lt;---under 30 as well </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i've seen the movie a few times. i really like it, but i'm a huge fan of oldman.&nbsp; chloe webb has always annoyed me in anything i've seen her in from china beach to twins.&nbsp; i think it's her voice &amp; how she always tried to be cute.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I dunno miss Sathir. I thought she was great in this role, I pretty much agree about the china beach and rest of her career but Nancy was an annoying person so hey... great fit. </p><p>&nbsp;I mostly agree with that Burblefrump fella from 2006 who posted, he always has great posts.</p>

[high fly]

<strong>bitterbuffalo</strong> wrote:<br />The only lingering question I have ever been left with was this: Who was Rock Head supposed to be? Iggy Pop? David Bowie? David Johannsen? Who Dammit!!!!! Who?!?! My life is not complete until I know who is being characterized in an overblown, overrated pseudo-love story!<br /><p><font size="2">Jim &quot;Dandy&quot; Mangrum....</font></p><p><font size="2"></font></p><p><font size="2"></font></p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[angelinad128]

<p>I went to school (Junior &amp; Senior High) with a girl named Karen whose sister (they a had a good 10 yr difference in age) and her man where in the punk/rock scene and they knew Sid and Nancy.&nbsp; Every time I went over, Karen would tell me not to be shy ask andy questions I had about them that the stories they had were amazing. </p><p>Sadly I never did.</p>

[riverofpiss]

I first saw Sid and Nancy when I was in high school and I could barely watch it.&nbsp; My brother bought me a bunch of DVDs for christmas and Sid and Nancy was one of the flicks in there.&nbsp; I have watched it twice since X-mas and now have a greater appreciation for the movie.&nbsp; Having learned about the history of the Sex Pistols since the first time seeing the movie made me enjoy it a lot more than when I watched it 10 years ago.&nbsp; A tragic story, although they were both destined for self destruction with or without each other.

[badorties]

<p>&nbsp;</p><p>really dreadful movie ... never understood why use real characters, and be so painfully inaccurate and off</p><p>two great books and one amazing documentary:</p><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Englands-Dreaming-Anarchy-Pistols-Beyond/dp/0312288220/ref=cm_lmf_img_1_rsrssi0/002-8342213-1769650" target="_blank"><img src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0312288220.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" width="240" height="240" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Rotten-No-Irish-Blacks-Dogs/dp/031211883X/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b/002-8342213-1769650" target="_blank"><img src="http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/031211883X.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" width="240" height="240" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Filth-Fury-Sex-Pistols-Film/dp/B00003CXHM/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b/002-8342213-1769650" target="_blank"><img src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00003CXHM.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" width="240" height="240" /></a></p><p>the first book is the definitve source for the british punk movement ... the second is lydon's autobiography -- really candid and personal ... and the third is jullian cope's brilliant documentary, worth the watch to see the always snarky lydon break character and grieve for his friend</p>

[KnoxHarrington]

Here's something about the movie that really annoyed me: in one scene, they show Sid and Nancy wearing T-shirts with the USSR's hammer & sickle logo on them, rather than the actual swastika t-shirts they were fond of wearing. It kind of felt like the movie was pussying out on us there.

I have to kind of echo some sentiments above: it romanticizes Nancy, and misrepresents the rest of the band's relationship to Sid and/or Nancy.

[Badinia]

<strong>badorties</strong> wrote: <p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Englands-Dreaming-Anarchy-Pistols-Beyond/dp/0312288220/ref=cm_lmf_img_1_rsrssi0/002-8342213-1769650" target="_blank"></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Rotten-No-Irish-Blacks-Dogs/dp/031211883X/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b/002-8342213-1769650" target="_blank"></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Filth-Fury-Sex-Pistols-Film/dp/B00003CXHM/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b/002-8342213-1769650" target="_blank"><img src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00003CXHM.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" width="240" height="240" /></a></p><p>and the third is jullian <strike>cope's</strike> temple's brilliant documentary, worth the watch to see the always snarky lydon break character and grieve for his friend</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fixed it for yeh.&nbsp; If Julian Cope had a movie, I'm pretty sure it would be about Krautrock.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;<img src="http://www.fastnbulbous.com/cope_krautrocksampler.gif" border="0" width="166" height="246" />&nbsp; Or European history.&nbsp; I love all three of those, though.</p>