nfl draft

[phixion]

<p>i thought considering its coming up soon we should start our wishful thinking especially us jets fans</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>they way i see it there are only two people in this draft who the jets can get and&nbsp;i believe will be stars either the tackle ferguson or the de williams. we cant do a thing on offense til we get some protection for the qb and some lanes to run through. ferguson will do that easily. Mario williams will be julius peppers part two which is all i could ever ask for. i figure even with a mediocre offense if the jets can put together a disgusting d then they can get good in a hurry. </p><p>so figure the saints will grab either ferguson or williams that would leave the jets with the leftovers. why not take a qb? cuz young's mechanics are a joke, leinart is polished but he doesnt have the arm and im not in the mood for another chad pennington, and cutler isnt nearly nfl ready. plus i would really really really like brady quinn next year.</p><p>as for the later picks if we take ferguson then i want bobby carpenter with the 29th hes solid lb who is over shadowed by hawk and he will fit into the 3-4 lovely. if we get williams then we should look at tackle there. and either way i figure there is anice center who should be there at the top of the second i wish i could remember his name. </p><p>anyone else thought about this day since week 3 against jacksonville</p>

[mendyweiss]

<p>I like your post, but right now all I can think about is french bread pizza, sorry.</p>

[cougarjake13]

as long as there's a decent LB or defensive back available when the giants pick i'll be happy but i'm not hoping for any miracles

[FezPaul]

<strong>mendyweiss</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I like your post, but right now all I can think about is french bread pizza, sorry.</p><p>now I'm starvin'</p>

[draftscout]

Nice thread idea!

The Jets have cooled in their interest in Brick Ferguson, and they have not had him in for a private visit/workout.

They have had Jay Cutler-QB from Vanderbilt, Matt Leinart-QB from Southern Cal, "Super" Mario Williams-DE from NC State, Kellen Clemens-QB from Oregon, and Mike Hass-WR from Oregon State.

Most teams use these workouts to get a final look at 2-3 final first round targets, and then to identify guys that might fit their schemes in order to draft them on the second day, or to sign them as street free agents if they go undrafted.

As for the Giants, there are a number of linebackers and corners available that should be around when they pick.

[Snoogans]

I have no idea what the giants are gonna do. They filled alot of needs in the offseason. A big thing i guess is if fuckin Arrington ever makes up his mind. If they don't sign him by the draft, you have to assume they go after a LB in the first round.<br />

[phixion]

im not sure you really want arrington at least not while coughlin is your coach. lavar follows the ball wherever it goes he won't play gap assignments or play containment, i dont think coughlin would like a rogue on his defense&nbsp;and i dont think&nbsp;strahan would like the mouth.

[Death Metal Moe]

I think they'll pick a lot of black guys.

[Freakshow]

<strong>phixion</strong> wrote:<br />im not sure you really want arrington at least not while coughlin is your coach. lavar follows the ball wherever it goes he won't play gap assignments or play containment, i dont think coughlin would like a rogue on his defense&nbsp;and i dont think&nbsp;strahan would like the mouth. <p>Wow.&nbsp; Every time someone writes about Arrington, they add some new bullshit to the end.&nbsp; It's like some bad internet chain letter.&nbsp; </p><p>Fact:&nbsp; Arrington has played for Coughlin-type coaches almost his entire career.&nbsp; Marvin Lewis, Marty Shottenheimer, Joe freakin' Paterno.&nbsp; He actually was quoted in December in the post that he wanted to go San Diego to be reuited with Marty because he liked him so much.&nbsp; Aparently there wasn't interested from SD, cause i'm pretty sure he would have signed there if there was.</p><p>Fact:&nbsp; Pierce is lobbying hard for Arrington to come to the Giants.&nbsp; If Arrington freelanced and won't play assingments, who's job would be made so much more difficult by that?&nbsp; The linebaker playing on the same defense?&nbsp; Aparently Jeremiah Trotter is also lobbying hard for the Eagles to sign him, but of course the money is&nbsp;a big issue with Ealges, so that ain't happening.&nbsp; (On a side note, durring the benching last year everyone was quick to quote Marvin Lewis about Arrington, aparently Lewis called him 'the most undisciplined player i've ever coached.'&nbsp; Funny how Lewis' Bengals are one of the main players for Arrington in the offseason.&nbsp; Finally the best quote comes from Arrington himself:&nbsp; 'If I was really as undisciplined as people say would I still be in the league?'&nbsp; The league doesn't care if people are 'fan favorites', they have to be able to play to stick around.</p><p>And the mouth thing?&nbsp; I don't even know where that comes from.&nbsp; He's a personality.&nbsp; He's media-frendly.&nbsp; But he's pretty much the anti-TO.&nbsp; He did a segment every week on the local sports talk radio station and never once criticized the Skins about it.&nbsp; John Jansen came on the same station during the benching and when asked if LaVar refused to play special teams was almost offended at the though.&nbsp; When Philip Daniels tipped the ball that Arrington intercepted in the playoff game his post game quote was 'there isn't anyone else I would have wanted to catch that ball.'&nbsp; Doesn't really sound like he's a problem in the locker room.</p>

[draftscout]

I scouted LeVar out of college at PSU, and for the most part, Freakshow is right on the money.

The best way to describe Arrington is probably that he has trouble taking the scheme from the playbook onto the field. He's not stupid, but for some reason his on-field assignments as dictated in the playbook don't make it on to the field. It's a recognition thing. He understands it, but for some reason it doesn't look that way to him on the field.

All NFL D-Coordinators are sticklers for remaining within the scheme, and LeVar definately improved this past season.

He did a nice job of holding the outside containment on runs when asked to, and he's lightning quick and with very good speed when shooting off the edge. He's a great shock and jolt/hit-and-run linebacker with some of the best instincts in the game. His problem comes when he over persues.

At Penn State, they played him in a stack, and told him to sniff out the ball. They depended on his athleticism, and it was well worth it to PSU to have him on the field despite the fact that he bit on play action.

If I were a team that ran a 30 front, I'd take him without a second thought. He's got a sharp closing burst, but needs to improve his hand usage in traffic. His pros definately outweigh his cons.

[Freakshow]

Hey Draftscout. Are you still&nbsp;an active&nbsp;scout?&nbsp; As you can probably tell i'm a Nittany Lion.&nbsp; I'm curious about Michael Robinson.&nbsp; I see a lot press saying he's refusing to consider being anything but a QB, but that doesn't seem to jive with his personality and what i've seen written from MRob himself saying he just wants to get into a camp.&nbsp; You know the real truth?

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Death Metal Moe</strong> wrote:<br />I think they'll pick a lot of black guys. <p>i suck at posting pics but this definitely needs to be ani difrancoed</p>

[FezPaul]

<strong>Death Metal Moe</strong> wrote:<br />I think they'll pick a lot of black guys. <p>http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/anidifranco_k.gif<br /></p>

[draftscout]

Yes, I am an active scout, and I talked to Michael Robinson at the combine. He prefers QB, but will try anything to stay in the league.

Almost all the teams in the league have him rated somewhere between the 3rd and 6th round as a wide receiver. He's very athletic, even more so than what the press is writing about him. Mike is a great guy. He's very smart and laid back. He's a true team player. I scouted him live in 2005 vs. Central Florida.

As a QB he has a strong arm and he can fire it into the seams with high velocity. What I don't like about him as a QB is his trouble with the center exchange.

I think he'll develop into a good possession receiver. He's big, he can separate, and he has good leg drive and cutting ability.

I love Beaver stadium; and Penn State is such a classy school. Incidentally I have their linebacker, Paul Posluszny rated the #2 overall senior prospect for next year's draft. He's ready to roll after that injury. He is another class guy....and Moe...he's white!

[Snoogans]

<p>You want my feeling on Lavar arrington.....how about this</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I'll take my chances on any LB from PSU or Miami. That being said, Arrington took part in a physical today for the NY Giants. OOOOOOO BABY&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

i'd love to have lavar just for the 2 redskins games alone

[Crippler]

<p><strong><font size="3">ESPN's John Clayton is reporting at this hour:</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="3">LAVAR ARRINGTON agrees in principle to a 7 year/ $49 MILLION deal with....the NEW YORK GIANTS.</font></strong></p>

[Snoogans]

Lavar Arrington agrees to terms on a 7 year, 49 million contract, didnt see how much was bonus. From Clayton on ESPN<br />

[Dudeman]

<strong>Crippler</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong><font size="3">ESPN's John Clayton</font></strong></p>how
did this little turd get to be a pro football analyst?&nbsp; his only
knowledge of football is from all the beatings he took from the
football players in high school.<br />
<p>&nbsp;</p>

[narc]

Do the Skins really need Arrington at this point though? Let Arrington go to NY with his attitude and let someone younger and hungrier step in.

[FezPaul]

<strong>Dudeman</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Crippler</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong><font size="3">ESPN's John Clayton</font></strong></p>how did this little turd get to be a pro football analyst?&nbsp; his only knowledge of football is from all the beatings he took from the football players in high school.<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>He's definately a one man nerd-o-rama</p><p>http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/John_Clayton.jpg<br /></p>

[Snoogans]

The best part is he uses that. When he argues with Sean Salisbury, he always shows clips of Salisbury getting picked by the Packers and says, at least cause I never played, I never got picked by the Pack<br />

[shamus mcfitzy]

<p>if anyone was wondering arrington only got 5 mil guaranteed, of course anyone wondering already read that im sure.</p><p>Im doing the ESPN draft contest, like i do every year (because i am a draft nerd, the draft really is the third biggest holiday of the year for me). Man the&nbsp;Rams are pretty screwed as far as first rounders go. After&nbsp;10 there is a pretty big fall in terms of high level guys (not that im even that confident with the TE the 49ers are crazy over). </p><p>I hear the Jets will just pick up the leftovers of Ferguson and Mario Williams and take Clemons at 36 or whatever. ESPN's mock draft has them taking Maroney too, but im pretty sure that Denver will take D'Angelo Williams and that therefore the Jets will probably have to take LenDale White (screwing the Colts over if they don't trade up).</p><p>MY RAVENS are pretty screwed in the first round at 13 so i guess they gotta take the safety Donte Whiter even though i don't really think the Other Safety is a position thats all that important in the Raven's secondary. But if the Ravens can pick up Brodie Croyle the whole draft would be worth it for me. I think he could be really servicable and with the Raven's defense as it is,&nbsp;as long as Ray Lewis can shut his &quot;obstructing&quot; mouth the Ravens might be Supah Bowl champs in '08!</p>

[kdubya]

<strong>narc</strong> wrote:<br />Do the Skins really need Arrington at this point though? Let Arrington go to NY with his attitude and let someone younger and hungrier step in. <p>I know he was a pain, but I am gona miss his Eastern Moters comercials. Man can he sing.</p>

[cal5000]

<p>Youth will get you a win here and there, but the wisdom and experience of a Vet gets you to the playoffs and ultimately a Super Bowl.</p><p>Some of your best defensive players played their best when they were past their prime. </p><p>Thats what made them great.</p><p>Id take Mike Singletary 5 years in the league over some rookie phenom everytime.</p>

[HBox]

<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003" target="_blank">The Texans ARE NOT going to select Reggie Bush.</a></p><p>I guess this is God making up for Katrina. Good for Him.<br /></p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003" target="_blank"></a>

[shamus mcfitzy]

what's great about this is that i've been on ESPN's draft coverage for hours now and theres no headline about this there. There's just the same &quot;Mystery Theater&quot; headline that was there when it referred to the 3 QB's. If I hadn't come here and&nbsp;been directed to&nbsp;the ESPN home page, i would have literally never known. Wait ta go ESPN!

[Gvac]

<p>I'm honestly shocked that the Texans decided to pass on Reggie Bush.&nbsp; It seemed like a foregone conclusion.&nbsp; </p><p>Now I'm wondering if New Orleans is going to take him at #2 or if they're willing to deal the pick.&nbsp; I'm also wondering if Tennessee is really as intent on picking Vince Young as they've been saying.&nbsp; <br /></p>

[HBox]

<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2426087" target="_blank">They are ALREADY bashing Houston.</a></p><p>I guess someone was working late at ESPN.</p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2426087" target="_blank"></a>

[PhishHead]

<p>This is such a bad pick for Houston.&nbsp; I am not going to say Williams is bad, he is a great player, but his stats are not that impressive.&nbsp; Most of his sacks came against crappy teams.&nbsp; He is not Elvis Dumervil from louisville, who dominated basically everyone they played.&nbsp; Passing on Bush is a big mistake, or at least trade the pick down and get something else, just cause no one offered you trades during this week means nothing, last minute trades are always possible.&nbsp; Houston has no O-line, it would have been smarter drafting D'Brickashaw.&nbsp; Yes Houston has Domanick Davis who i think is very underrated and actually the only reason they win any games.&nbsp; But use Bush then like he was used in college...a spark, not an everydown back, thats why you have Davis.&nbsp; This wont go down as a bad pick in 5 years, because Williams is good (Julius Peppers he is not nor ever will be), but just a stupid move all around by the Texans owner, GM and coach.&nbsp; </p>

[Bama]

I guess this means no Saints tickets this year.

[kdubya]

<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'm honestly shocked that the Texans decided to pass on Reggie Bush.&nbsp; It seemed like a foregone conclusion.&nbsp; </p><p>Now I'm wondering if New Orleans is going to take him at #2 or if they're willing to deal the pick.&nbsp; I'm also wondering if Tennessee is really as intent on picking Vince Young as they've been saying.&nbsp; <br /></p><p>I think most thought Bush was sure thing, but my guess is with all the stuff comng about illegal gifts etc, and now the allagations that his agant has threatened Bush has maybe scared a few away. He may be more trouble than he is worth.</p>

[Snoogans]

i cant wait for reggie bush to try to put a spin move on Urlacher and end up with a helmet breaking his spine<br />

[TheGameHHH]

I think it's a pretty good pick for the Texans, I guess time will tell.

[kdubya]

<strong>Snoogans</strong> wrote:<br />i cant wait for reggie bush to try to put a spin move on Urlacher and end up with a helmet breaking his spine<br /><p>I am with you there</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I hate these college guys that everyone gets all gaga over. Need I remind everyone of Rocket Ishmail, or maybe Desmond Howard?</p>

[HBox]

<p><span class="postbody">Need I remind everyone of Rocket Ishmail, or maybe Desmond Howard?</span></p><p>You mean Super Bowl MVP Desmond Howard? &nbsp;<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" /></p>

[kdubya]

<strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><span class="postbody">Need I remind everyone of Rocket Ishmail, or maybe Desmond Howard? </span><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font color="#000080"><font size="2">You mean Super Bowl MVP Desmond Howard?</font></font> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Yeah well there is that, how about we swap him out for the Boz</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by kdubya on 4-29-06 @ 12:09 AM</span>

[Snoogans]

<p>yea MVP cause he returned kicks, but he was a terrible WR. I dont think reggie bush is terrible. I think he would make a decent pro, but he isnt gonna be able to pull half that shit in the pros. I envision him playing well but tryin the wrong move on the wrong guy and then never being the same or getting seriously hurt. </p><p>Everyone wants to throw the Tomlinson thing at me, but tomlinson is stronger, and if you notice, he put away alot of his crazy HS moves and went to more cutting back and just agility cause he saw real early that he couldnt keep taking those chances. Problem is, I dont think reggie bush is nearly as smart a player as LT, and the Nat Champ game was a big showing of that. </p><p>Also, bush is not a team guy. He didnt throw that lateral to try to put points on the board, he threw it so people would say holy shit did you see what reggie bush did. I think he will be the Marbury of the NFL </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Snoogans on 4-29-06 @ 12:11 AM</span>

[Bama]

Howard still sucks. He's no Dexter Jackson.

[Snoogans]

or larry brown or anyone else who won the prestigious SB MVP. Shit OJ anderson won a SB MVP, would you have ever taken him with a number 1 pick?<br />

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Snoogans on 4-29-06 @ 12:15 AM</span>

[narc]

<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>kdubya</strong> wrote:<br><strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><p> </p><span class="postbody">Need I remind everyone of Rocket Ishmail, or maybe Desmond Howard? </span><p> </p><p><font color="#000080"><font size="2">You mean Super Bowl MVP Desmond Howard?</font></font> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Yeah well there is that, how about we swap him out for the Boz</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by kdubya on 4-29-06 @ 12:09 AM</span><hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>

R&F had a caller one time that had a really, really funny anecdote about his run-in with the Boz, who I guess called him a fag after he asked for an autograph.

[kdubya]

<strong>narc</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>kdubya</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><span class="postbody">Need I remind everyone of Rocket Ishmail, or maybe Desmond Howard? </span><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font color="#000080"><font size="2">You mean Super Bowl MVP Desmond Howard?</font></font> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Yeah well there is that, how about we swap him out for the Boz</p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by kdubya on 4-29-06 @ 12:09 AM</span> <p>&nbsp;</p>R&amp;F had a caller one time that had a really, really funny anecdote about his run-in with the Boz, who I guess called him a fag after he asked for an autograph. <p>Boz wasn't much on the field, but he sure was a great actor, how sweet was Stone Cold &quot;god forgives, The Brotherhood doesn't&quot;</p><p>I could see Bush taking a fall in the draft, not as bad as Aaron Rodgers last year, but I am sure he is sweating right now</p>

[Snoogans]

I sincerely stick by my estimation that in 8 years, Lindell White will have had a more successful pro career then Reggie Bush<br />

[Bama]

<p>No way Bush drops below 2. Saints take him or they trade the pick to somehow who wants him.</p>

[shamus mcfitzy]

<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2426087" target="_blank">They are ALREADY bashing Houston.</a></p><p><font color="#000080"><font size="2">I guess someone was working late at ESPN</font></font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Has Len Pasquarelli lost his mind? I read this before and was so amazed at how he could really knock a team for picking the consensus second pick instead of the consensus 1st. Especially when its been made clear that Reggie Bush probably isn't the type of player who will make or break a poor team's performance (maybe he'll touch the ball&nbsp;25 times between runs, receptions, and returns in his biggest game). The guys at ESPN sometimes just go fucking nuts. First they hype up Super Mario then Lenny can knock the Texans so hard for taking him. Crizzazy I say. Crizzazy</p><p>I think the Jets could easily get up to 2. If you look at the famous <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670"><font face="Arial" color="#800080" size="2">draft value chart</font></a>&nbsp;the Jets could theoretically give up the 4th, 29th, and 71st picks or even 4, 35, and 71 and get up there if they wanted to. I think that'd be a mistake since they're pretty much guaranteed D'Brickashaw Ferguson and can always try to trade up with the Ravens to get Jay Cutler at 13 or take&nbsp;Kellen Clemons&nbsp;at 35 if they like him so much.</p>

[J.Clints]

<p>wHAT DO YOU THINK? WHO WILL MT TITANS TAKE?</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by jclintsma on 4-29-06 @ 10:50 AM</span>

[JimBeam]

<p>Bush might not get the numbers he got in college but he's got the potential of Edge and Faulk.</p><p>What he might not do as a RB that they did he will do on special teams.</p><p>I was cursing Bush out when he fumbled that ball in the 1st quarter of the Nat'l title game and wished him the worst pro career ever but now that he's a Saint I'm digging it.</p><p>Still wish they hadnt signed Brees.</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>Leinart got picked by the Cardinals.</p><p>I think that can workout good for him.</p><p>2 stud WRs, a stud RB and a good coach.</p><p>I didnt know much about the guy the Bills picked by the ESPN radio guys were saying that the guy was taken way too early.</p>

[narc]

<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br><p>Leinart got picked by the Cardinals.</p><p>I think that can workout good for him.</p><p>2 stud WRs, a stud RB and a good coach.</p><p>I didnt know much about the guy the Bills picked by the ESPN radio guys were saying that the guy was taken way too early.</p><hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>

I'm almost nearly at a loss to explain anything the Bills do anymore. With that having been said, I'm sure they guy they drafted will be good. But will he be better than other people who were drafted behind him? Doubtful. He probably would have been available if they had traded down, but they really must not have liked any of the offers they got. They also must have really had some serious misgivings about Broderick Bunkley. I think they definitely would have taken Huff had the Raiders not cockblocked him. And I guess a lot of people in the know had the guy they took as high as Huff.

[Clutch]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>narc</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Leinart got picked by the Cardinals.</p><p>I think that can workout good for him.</p><p>2 stud WRs, a stud RB and a good coach.</p><p>I didnt know much about the guy the Bills picked by the ESPN radio guys were saying that the guy was taken way too early.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>

I'm almost nearly at a loss to explain anything the Bills do anymore. With that having been said, I'm sure they guy they drafted will be good. But will he be better than other people who were drafted behind him? Doubtful. He probably would have been available if they had traded down, but they really must not have liked any of the offers they got. They also must have really had some serious misgivings about Broderick Bunkley. I think they definitely would have taken Huff had the Raiders not cockblocked him. And I guess a lot of people in the know had the guy they took as high as Huff.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Uhh... you coulda had Huff... I wanted them to pick Lienart so damn bad, franchise QB .... I HATE Al Davis .... &nbsp;</p>

[ChimneyFish]

<p><strong><em><font face="georgia,times new roman,times,serif" size="2">Don't know much about the DT the Eagles took.</font></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><font face="Georgia" size="2">They could definitely use the help in the middle, though.</font></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><font face="Georgia" size="2">Guy's 306lbs. and runs a 4:9 40.</font></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><font face="Georgia" size="2" /></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><font face="Georgia" size="2">The Cards are starting to put together an offensive powerhouse, if Lienart turns out to be a good pro.</font></em></strong></p>

[JimBeam]

<p>Here's the thing that keeps killing me.</p><p>While Lienart may turn out to suck as any QB has the chance to I'm tired of this argument :</p><p>Lienart may be the best pro QB now Vince Young may be in a few years.</p><p>here's the problem with that argument</p><p>If Lienart is good and wins 9 games 5 years in a row and Young wins only 7 why is the assumption that as soon as Young becomes good Lienart is gonna no longer be good.</p><p>Its almost as if they are saying they cant both be good at the same time.</p><p>Plus if Young takes 5 years to become good havent you lost 5 of his best years when he's more mobile and fast ?</p><p>The older he gets the more he'll lose a step.</p><p>My thing with Young is that he's not as good a passer as Culpepper and he's not as fast as Vick so what makes him different than Akili Smith ?</p>

[TheGameHHH]

I like the Pats pick, it was a solid first step to take in round 1.

[cougarjake13]

i dont know what the pay scale is for a #10 pick but do you think leinart is regretting his decision to stay one more year, he would have easily been the #1 pick last year

[JimBeam]

<p>They said Lienart might have cost himself 40 million dollars.</p><p>I would've done what he did if I was in his shoes.</p><p>He'll make money elsewhere.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<p>but, what if for whatever reason..injury or just cant adjust to the nfl and never recoups that money, if he plays like shit he isnt getting many endorsement deals</p><p>by contrast it may work out team wise because arizona looks like a better team right now then san fran and he'll still be relatively close to home, that is if he is from so cal, i personally dont know but i still think he should have come out last year and got the money </p>

[HBox]

Broncos traded a second for Javon Walker.<br />

[cougarjake13]

<strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><font color="#000080"><font size="2">Broncos traded a second for Javon Walker.</font></font><br /><p>thats a good trade for broncos, to have javon and rod smith plus with their perennial doesnt matter who's our rb he'll gain 1000 yds anyway... this years candidate is ron dayne</p><p>but what will the pack do now with their other disgruntled wr donald driver ??? javon pretty much got what he wanted and now driver knows the pack will eventually give in or trade you to someone else who'll give them da loot</p>

[Patches]

<p>I completely do not understand the Giants pick.&nbsp; They went 11-5 last season- they can take it up another level with another weapon on offense (a slot receiver perhaps- all the decent secondary players were taken and we signed Arrington at LB).&nbsp; When it comes time to draft, they trade the pick to the Steelers.&nbsp; At this point NOT A SINGLE WR has been taken, but they only move down 7 spots AND get a 3rd and 4th round pick from Pittsburgh.&nbsp; </p><p>When the 32nd pick rolls around, and ONLY ONE RECEIVER is off the board, I am thrilled- 2 quality WR that can start immediately at the 3rd spot left (IMO- Moss and Jackson), AND we got 2 extra picks!&nbsp; But no.&nbsp; They choose a Defensive End who everyone on ESPN agreed could have been gotten in the late SECOND round.&nbsp; Last time I checked the Giants were among the best in the league at that position.&nbsp; So this kid is supposed to learn from Strahan and Umenyiora and eventually replace Strahan, eh?&nbsp; Well guess what?&nbsp; Toomer needs replacing pretty damn soon too, AND I'm pretty sure the Giants put up ZERO points in the playoffs- trust me- another weapon on offense wouldn't hurt.</p><p>Needless to say, while I agree wholeheartedly with the trade, I do not agree at all with the pick- If you like this DE from BC so much- take a WR there and trade into the middle of the second- he would have been there.</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>Sure Lienart could get hurt, any of these guys can get hurt, but you cant plan your life thinking the worst.</p><p>Even if by some freak accident he got hurt and never played a game in the NFL he's still got his degree from USC, plenty of contacts, and will probably get a job somewhere in Sales making 200K.</p><p>The company O work for has so many people working for them, making good coin, that played at good schools, shitty schools etc ...</p><p>Being a former college athlete does a lot for your stock.</p><p>Now that money isnt the money he'd have made as a #1 pick but he wont be on welfare anytime soon.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Sure Lienart could get hurt, any of these guys can get hurt, but you cant plan your life thinking the worst.</p><p>Even if by some freak accident he got hurt and never played a game in the NFL he's still got his degree from USC, plenty of contacts, and will probably get a job somewhere in Sales making 200K.</p><p>The company O work for has so many people working for them, making good coin, that played at good schools, shitty schools etc ...</p><p>Being a former college athlete does a lot for your stock.</p><p>Now that money isnt the money he'd have made as a #1 pick but he wont be on welfare anytime soon.</p><p>i agree that he could could prob still make some good money elsewhere and if this was a middle first round guy who wouldnt have moved up or down much by staying or going early then yes it wont reall matter but this was a guy who would have easily gotten the #1 pick and money that goes with it, i think alex smith got 6 yrs 54 mil</p><p>now what would you rather have 54 mil and a career ending injury or making 200k a year and have to actually work, now at the tenth pick he's still prob banking millions so it doesnt matter all that much but if you have a chance to be a #1 pick almost guaranteed then you take it</p>

[HBox]

The Eagles were trying to trade up to to the eight spot to draft Bunkley, but had him drop to them at 14. And then in the second round they trade up and grab Winston Justice, who they would have considered drafting at 14 if Bunkley was gone. So things have shaken out very well for them so far.<br />

[Freakshow]

<p>&nbsp;</p>Lets<strong>Patches</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I
completely do not understand the Giants pick. They went 11-5 last
season- they can take it up another level with another weapon on
offense (a slot receiver perhaps- all the decent secondary players were
taken and we signed Arrington at LB). When it comes time to draft, they
trade the pick to the Steelers. At this point NOT A SINGLE WR has been
taken, but they only move down 7 spots AND get a 3rd and 4th round pick
from Pittsburgh. </p><p>When the 32nd pick rolls around, and ONLY ONE
RECEIVER is off the board, I am thrilled- 2 quality WR that can start
immediately at the 3rd spot left (IMO- Moss and Jackson), AND we got 2
extra picks! But no. They choose a Defensive End who everyone on ESPN
agreed could have been gotten in the late SECOND round. Last time I
checked the Giants were among the best in the league at that position.
So this kid is supposed to learn from Strahan and Umenyiora and
eventually replace Strahan, eh? Well guess what? Toomer needs replacing
pretty damn soon too, AND I'm pretty sure the Giants put up ZERO points
in the playoffs- trust me- another weapon on offense wouldn't hurt.</p><p>Needless
to say, while I agree wholeheartedly with the trade, I do not agree at
all with the pick- If you like this DE from BC so much- take a WR there
and trade into the middle of the second- he would have been there.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I don't know if there is such a mystery behind the Giants' pick.&nbsp; Mathias Kiwanuka.&nbsp; DE.&nbsp; <strong>Boston College</strong>. &nbsp; <br />
</p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Marc with a c]

<strong>Patches</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I completely do not understand the Giants pick.&nbsp; They went 11-5 last season- they can take it up another level with another weapon on offense (a slot receiver perhaps- all the decent secondary players were taken and we signed Arrington at LB).&nbsp; When it comes time to draft, they trade the pick to the Steelers.&nbsp; At this point NOT A SINGLE WR has been taken, but they only move down 7 spots AND get a 3rd and 4th round pick from Pittsburgh.&nbsp; </p><p>When the 32nd pick rolls around, and ONLY ONE RECEIVER is off the board, I am thrilled- 2 quality WR that can start immediately at the 3rd spot left (IMO- Moss and Jackson), AND we got 2 extra picks!&nbsp; But no.&nbsp; They choose a Defensive End who everyone on ESPN agreed could have been gotten in the late SECOND round.&nbsp; Last time I checked the Giants were among the best in the league at that position.&nbsp; So this kid is supposed to learn from Strahan and Umenyiora and eventually replace Strahan, eh?&nbsp; Well guess what?&nbsp; Toomer needs replacing pretty damn soon too, AND I'm pretty sure the Giants put up ZERO points in the playoffs- trust me- another weapon on offense wouldn't hurt.</p><p>Needless to say, while I agree wholeheartedly with the trade, I do not agree at all with the pick- If you like this DE from BC so much- take a WR there and trade into the middle of the second- he would have been there.</p><p>it all worked out, i guess.</p><p>giants got WR Sinorice Moss.</p>

[Snoogans]

<p>patches, thats why you arent in the NFL as a scout. The giants picked that guy in the first round cause they knew one of their recievers would be available with the traded up second round pick, so they took a guy to finally have some depth on the DL, i love the giants first pick <br /></p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Snoogans</strong> wrote:<br /><p>patches, thats why you arent in the NFL as a scout. The giants picked that guy in the first round cause they knew one of their recievers would be available with the traded up second round pick, so they took a guy to finally have some depth on the DL, i love the giants first pick <br /></p><p>i agree its not like strahan is going to be around forever, he's got only a few years left then we'll need a replacement so i like the idea of bringing this guy in now and let strahan rub off on him and we still got a wr so it all works out</p><p>anybody know who gerris wilkerson a lb from &nbsp;georgia tech is ????</p>

[Freakshow]

Day Two, baby!

Always so much more fun. Only 5 mintues between picks. Mel Kiper blasting teams for reaching with the 148th pick. It's awesome.

[newport king]

did vick get drafted? i'm assuming my raiders will draft this trouble maker.

[HBox]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>newport king</strong> wrote:<br />did vick get drafted? i'm assuming my raiders will draft this trouble maker.<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Not yet. Oakland has the last pick of the draft though.</p>

[Patches]

<strong>Snoogans</strong> wrote:<br /><p>patches, thats why you arent in the NFL as a scout. The giants picked that guy in the first round cause they knew one of their recievers would be available with the traded up second round pick, so they took a guy to finally have some depth on the DL, i love the giants first pick <br /></p><p>Well, I did feel a little dumb when they were able to get Moss in round 2, but it doesn't change how I feel about the first pick- adding a guy thats going to be #4 on the depth chart at DE in the first round I don't think is a good move- I hope they make me eat my words, but I think there are other more pressing needs that could have been addressed with that pick.</p>

[cougarjake13]

i know we signed a bunch of defensive backs in the offseason but i'm surprised that we didnt draft any db's until our last 2 picks, the 5th rd and 7th rd

[cougarjake13]

<strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>newport king</strong> wrote:<br />did vick get drafted? i'm assuming my raiders will draft this trouble maker. <p>&nbsp;</p><p><font color="#000080"><font size="2">Not yet. Oakland has the last pick of the draft though.</font></font></p><p>&nbsp;marcus vick went undrafted but i'm sure he'll get tryouts from a few teams</p><p>who's the backup to micheal vick ??? maybe if the falcs bring him in to be the 3rd qb&nbsp;and mike takes him under his wing he might turn out ok</p>