What is Heavy Metal? [Archive] - RonFez.net Messageboard

Hottub

03-24-2006, 04:27 PM

I wanted to start a new thread, so as not to take away from the "Best Drummer" thread.OK, what is Metal?Heavy Metal is really pretty broad to me. Anything from Poison& Cinderella, to Suicidal Tendencies, Sepultura, and beyond.There are definitely niches, ie, Megadeath - Speed Metal, Lamb of God - Death Metal, Slayer - Slayer Metal, etc.What is metal to you?BTW, two of my favorite Metal bands are not Metal at all...Law and Order and Kix.

SatCam

03-24-2006, 04:29 PM

http://www.coasttocoasttickets.com/images/concerts_bonjovi.jpg

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Death Metal Moe

03-24-2006, 04:42 PM

Metal is so many things to so many people.  It's like any form of music.  You can't pin it down.  Rock covers so much shit I can't even begin to talk about it.Heavy Metal is stuff like Metallica, Pantera, Megadeth, Ozzy.  Things like that.Speed has been talked about and I'm not too up on it.  Early Megadeth was Speed, not sure of anything else to be honest.Death Metal is stuff like Suffocation, Dying Fetus, Skinless, Lamb of God, Hypocrisy, Death, Napalm Death, Cannibal Corpse, Deicide, Slayer, Morbid Angel, etc.Grind Metal is very early Napalm Death, Nasum, Anal Cunt.Doom Metal is very slow stuff that I never got into enough to remember band names.

Hottub

03-24-2006, 04:53 PM

So where do you categorize the metal that I loved so much back in the day?  Ratt, Faster Pussycat, Motley CrÜe, Prong, Primus, Overkill, American Angel, etc.I have them categorized as WSOU on my hard drive!

torker

03-24-2006, 04:56 PM

Adam Curry is Heavy Metal<img height="120" src="http://www.tuffcds.com/images/nitropics/MikeJimMtvVJ.jpg" width="160" border="0" />

newport king

03-24-2006, 04:58 PM

hair/metal? although some of those bands dont fit that so nevermind....pring fucking rawked btw. snap your fingers snap your neck was the shit back in the day.

mikeyboy

03-24-2006, 04:59 PM

How would you classify "The Lone Rangers"?<img height="185" src="http://www.new-mercies.org/images/new_web/airheads1.jpg" width="187" border="0" />

Death Metal Moe

03-24-2006, 05:00 PM

Hottub wrote: So where do you categorize the metal that I loved so much back in the day?  Ratt, Faster Pussycat, Motley CrÜe, Prong, Primus, Overkill, American Angel, etc.I have them categorized as WSOU on my hard drive!Ratt, The Crue and Overkill are Hair Metal to me.  Prong is more Heavy Metal in my opinion.  Primus is very weird but I guess it's hard rock to Metal.  No idea what American Angel and Faster Pussycat even sound like.

Hottub

03-24-2006, 05:03 PM

mikeyboy wrote: How would you classify "The Lone Rangers"?<img height="185" src="http://www.new-mercies.org/images/new_web/airheads1.jpg" width="187" border="0" />BrokeBack Metal!

Death Metal Moe

03-24-2006, 05:05 PM

And I'm by no means a Metal Expert, but I have been listening and playing it for well over a decade now.I hope other Metal fans chime in and either correct me, fill in what I don't know or add their picks for bands in each genre.

Stankfoot

03-24-2006, 05:14 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: Death Metal is stuff like Suffocation, Dying Fetus, Skinless, Lamb of God, Hypocrisy, Death, Napalm Death, Cannibal Corpse, Deicide, Slayer, Morbid Angel, etc.          Cool names - lets play name a Death Metal band:           Rigor Mortis           Serial Killer           Dead Babies in a Meat Grinder with Salsa           Autopsy Photo          Suicide Priest          Drowning in Blood

Death Metal Moe

03-24-2006, 05:16 PM

Stankfoot wrote: Death Metal Moe wrote: Death Metal is stuff like Suffocation, Dying Fetus, Skinless, Lamb of God, Hypocrisy, Death, Napalm Death, Cannibal Corpse, Deicide, Slayer, Morbid Angel, etc.          Cool names - lets play name a Death Metal band:           Rigor Mortis           Serial Killer           Dead Babies in a Meat Grinder with Salsa           Autopsy Photo          Suicide Priest          Drowning in BloodI think Rigor Mortis is either a current band name or been used in the past.  Autopsy is an old skool Metal band.  And there's a famous Baphomet song called "Boiled in Blood" that rawks.Those names need more "Grab ya" appeal though.

SatCam

03-24-2006, 05:17 PM

Ruptured Windpipe

fluffernutter

03-24-2006, 05:17 PM

Overkill are Hair MetalNo
offense but really? Overkill is hair metal? If thats the case Under the
Influence and Taking over are the heaviest hair metal albums I have
ever heard. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" /> 
I always had them in the thrash category.As much as I
hate to categorize sometimes you can't help it. Yes, there are certain
genres but as with any style of any music it shoots off into so many
different sub genres its ridiculous.  I see it as the more
you start to sub categorize and categorize even you start to lose what
is really important and that is the music. Just let it rock you however
it may.

newport king

03-24-2006, 05:21 PM

i'm sure these were used at some pointAfterbirthLarvaeKamikaze Shitstains Bloody CuntVirgin Cornhole

Death Metal Moe

03-24-2006, 05:22 PM

fluffernutter wrote:  Overkill are Hair Metal  No offense but really? Overkill is hair metal? If thats the case Under the Influence and Taking over are the heaviest hair metal albums I have ever heard. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> I always had them in the thrash category.As much as I hate to categorize sometimes you can't help it. Yes, there are certain genres but as with any style of any music it shoots off into so many different sub genres its ridiculous.  I see it as the more you start to sub categorize and categorize even you start to lose what is really important and that is the music. Just let it rock you however it may.  Yea, you could be right.  Overkill might be more Thrash, it's just anytime I hear high pitch singing like that I think HAIR METAL.And I don't want to categorize Metal either, but you have to in order to help people who don't know what it is understand it.  I can't just say "Go listen to it all" because there's so much ground to cover.  If the help we give regular folks in here with Metal gets them to check out one band it's worth it.

Death Metal Moe

03-24-2006, 05:23 PM

newport king wrote: i'm sure these were used at some pointAfterbirthLarvaeKamikaze Shitstains Bloody CuntVirgin CornholeI think those are all new to me.  Anal Cunt is a name in use already, that's the only one I know of that's close to anything.

Hottub

03-24-2006, 05:24 PM

Fluff, good point with Overkill. Years of Decay? 'nuf said!But let me throw this one out.Geographically, easy to pidgeon hole.Musically, worlds apart<ul><li><div>Soundgarden</div></li><li><div>Mother Love Bone</div></li><li><div>Queensryche</div></li></ul>

JerryTaker

03-24-2006, 06:52 PM

If the help we give regular folks in here with Metal gets them to check out one band it's worth it.oh, please. I've seen nothing but bashing on this board of any metal bands that make themselves mainstream accessable; i.e. Hawthorne Heights and Coheed & Cambria.  I've also heard people bash Avenged Sevenfold for not being "as heavy" as they used to. Do you really think regular people are going to be able to get into metal cold starting with that screaming shit they keep playing on WSOU?You want more people to like metal? stop bashing every new band that comes out.BTW while I quoted Moe, because his quote made me think of what I've been reading here, but I mean everyone who bashes the young metal bands, of which I don't care enough to know who's doing it, I just know I've read a lot of it here.

Death Metal Moe

03-24-2006, 06:55 PM

JerryTaker wrote:   oh, please. I've seen nothing but bashing on this board of any metal bands that make themselves mainstream accessable; i.e. Hawthorne Heights and Coheed & Cambria.  I've also heard people bash Avenged Sevenfold for not being "as heavy" as they used to. Do you really think regular people are going to be able to get into metal cold starting with that screaming shit they keep playing on WSOU?  If you ever call Hawthone Heights, Coheed and Cambria and Avenged Sevenfold METAL on this messageboard again, you and I will "Tango" mister.

Dirtybird12

03-24-2006, 06:58 PM

who am i? D.R.I.<img height="600" src="http://www.shavedneck.com/ChiefsFlyers/images/15-Slayer-DRI.jpg" width="385" border="0" /> <img height="500" src="http://www.dirtyrottenimbeciles.com/store/images/bpatch03.jpg" width="457" border="0" />I dont know what you call it - but DRI is an amazing rock & roll band

Marc with a c

03-24-2006, 06:59 PM

Dirtybird12

03-24-2006, 07:14 PM

how can they be the LONE rangers if there are 3 members?

Death Metal Moe

03-24-2006, 07:15 PM

CircusFreak wrote: how can they be the LONE rangers if there are 3 members?But.....that's part....of.......aww forget it!

FezPaul

03-24-2006, 09:46 PM

<img src="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/spinal6.jpg" border="0" /> These go to 11

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JerryTaker

03-25-2006, 05:09 AM

If you ever call Hawthone Heights, Coheed and Cambria and Avenged Sevenfold METAL on this messageboard again, you and I will "Tango" mister.yeah... "AGREE WITH ME OR TORGO SMASH!!!" ..great.Seriously, what makes those bands any less metal than, say Guns n Roses, Anthrax, Queensryche, or Extreme? if not metal, then what? Rock and Roll? alongside who? 3 doors down, Matchbox 20 and Jet?and more vaguery like " the genre of crap" adds nothing to the discussion.and don't give me that "emo" BS, that's not even a real genre, it was made up so alpha-type people have something else to feel superior to, and even if it was a real genre, than all the real "emo" bands broke up years ago, besides, how boring is any music that doesn't have "emo"-tion? I was unaware of the Vulcan music scene, and how all-encompasing it is.As said in the original post, there are different niches of metal, as opposed to "ONLY MY STUFF IS METAL AND I SMASH YOU IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT!! ZUGZUG!!!"

Death Metal Moe

03-25-2006, 05:21 AM

JerryTaker wrote:  If you ever call Hawthone Heights, Coheed and Cambria and Avenged Sevenfold METAL on this messageboard again, you and I will "Tango" mister.  yeah... "AGREE WITH ME OR TORGO SMASH!!!" ..great.Seriously, what makes those bands any less metal than, say Guns n Roses, Anthrax, Queensryche, or Extreme? if not metal, then what? Rock and Roll? alongside who? 3 doors down, Matchbox 20 and Jet?and more vaguery like " the genre of crap" adds nothing to the discussion.and don't give me that "emo" BS, that's not even a real genre, it was made up so alpha-type people have something else to feel superior to, and even if it was a real genre, than all the real "emo" bands broke up years ago, besides, how boring is any music that doesn't have "emo"-tion? I was unaware of the Vulcan music scene, and how all-encompasing it is.As said in the original post, there are different niches of metal, as opposed to "ONLY MY STUFF IS METAL AND I SMASH YOU IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT!! ZUGZUG!!!"Jerry, I was actually trying to joke around with you but once again you prove you can't even do that.  I have some Coheed and Cambria on my iPod.  They're a form of Rock/Metal that I'm not that familiar with, the singer is whiney but they can get heavy.  Avenged Sevenfold is kinda weak in my opinion but I don't know enough about them to get too specific.Hawthorne Heights is the most pussy, bullshit, contrite, weak form of music I've ever heard in my life.  It is EMO through and through, and yes, Emo and even Screamo are real forms of pussy ass faggot music now.  HH are a bunch of kid whining about their lives but don't have it nearly as bad as they think.  It's priviledged kids that have enough time to feel sorry for themselves, feeling sorry for themselves.  I will curse it's name and do my best to destroy it wherever I can."AAH!  My girl broke up with me and my parents told me to take out the garbage and my job sucks and the government is stupid!"Repeat 3 times and add a hook.

JerryTaker

03-25-2006, 05:27 AM

HH are a bunch of kid whining about their lives but don't have it nearly as bad as they think.  It's priviledged kids that have enough time to feel sorry for themselves, feeling sorry for themselves.how would one even know that about the band members?  and who doesn't do that to some extent? what singer doesnt cry about lost love when they're on tour and have women throwing themselves at them? and do they really complain about taking out the garbage? or was that just on South Park?

Gvac

03-25-2006, 05:27 AM

When I was a kid, Led Zeppelin and AC/DC were considered "metal."Then the tag was applied to any band that used distortion on their guitars and had a lead singer that could scream all the high notes.  Then "metal" slowed down the speed, tuned down their guitars, and got dark.I have no idea why people need convenient labels for their music; I think it just makes fans more or less likely to check out a new band if they've been tagged with a label you're not often a fan of.  It's across the board, too.  Some absolutely incredible musicians are out there, and most people will never hear their music because they've been given the label of "country" or "jazz" or "metal" or whatever.

Death Metal Moe

03-25-2006, 05:32 AM

Gvac wrote: When I was a kid, Led Zeppelin and AC/DC were considered "metal."Then the tag was applied to any band that used distortion on their guitars and had a lead singer that could scream all the high notes.  Then "metal" slowed down the speed, tuned down their guitars, and got dark.I have no idea why people need convenient labels for their music; I think it just makes fans more or less likely to check out a new band if they've been tagged with a label you're not often a fan of.  It's across the board, too.  Some absolutely incredible musicians are out there, and most people will never hear their music because they've been given the label of "country" or "jazz" or "metal" or whatever.   Well the Metal I listen to sped the tempos up, alot.  They can do slow, mosh riffs really well of course but Metal is faster than Zeppelin.

Death Metal Moe

03-25-2006, 05:33 AM

JerryTaker wrote:  HH are a bunch of kid whining about their lives but don't have it nearly as bad as they think.  It's priviledged kids that have enough time to feel sorry for themselves, feeling sorry for themselves.  how would one even know that about the band members?  and who doesn't do that to some extent? what singer doesnt cry about lost love when they're on tour and have women throwing themselves at them? and do they really complain about taking out the garbage? or was that just on South Park?I was joking.  Again.But these guys, from what I've heard, sing about pain in life but instead of coping they talk about killing themselves and not being able to deal with things.  It's a depressing, pathetic message.

fluffernutter

03-25-2006, 06:42 AM

Seriously, what makes those bands any less metal
than, say Guns n Roses, Anthrax, Queensryche, or Extreme? if not metal,
then what? Rock and Roll? alongside who? 3 doors down, Matchbox 20 and
Jet?I
would say that Coheed & Cambria from the first time I have heard
them up until now have nothing to with metal and more to do with a
crossbreed of hardcore and Rush style progressive rock. Hawthorne
Heights whom I have only heard one song from sound like they have come
from the School of Thursday. Thursday was a great amazing fucking band
whom I will not even begin to categorize but one think they were not
was metal. Sadly, Thursday turned a once great record label in Victory
Records from its roots in hardcore to something looking only to
capitalize on the grren spawned forth by the flavour of the month
(insert screaming whining unimaginative bands name here). I mean it all
just sounds the same. Atreyu and Adien and all this shit that yes, has
a tinge of metal to it but it is such a crossbreed of everything that I
have no fucking idea WHAT to call it. Will it affect you listening to
it if it doesn't fall into a certain category? Does music have to be
wrapped up in a little bow and put in a nice little package now? 
It just seems like such a hang up on what is metal and what it
not. Metal was so much more defined back in the late 80's early 90's
because there was only a few different styles of it going on. Thrash,
death, heavy, speed and glam. Some hard rock thrown in too. Then (and I
am so glad for this) when bands like Faith No More, Primus, Mother Love
Bone and the exploding Seattle scene started to take away from the
metal definition and offshoot into strange new worlds you just didn't
know what to call this alternative being that was being spawned.Soon,
I seriously just dropped all labels because that is what (I think at
least) has gotten so many people in arguments and bickering and shit
over the years. Does it really matter if you think Hawthorne Heights is
metal or not? Or Coheed & Cambria for that matter? Does it? No. If
you think it is, if anythinks whatever band they listen to and it
doesn't jive with anyone else, who cares. I doubt you're going to enjoy
it less. Are you?

TheRealEddie

03-25-2006, 06:46 AM

On Staten Island we had this clasification scheme:Hard Rock: Posion, Cinderalla, Warrant, Motley Crue, etcSpeed Metal: Slayer, Sepultura, etcThrash Metal: Testament, Megadeth, etc Heavy Metal: Iron Maiden, Metallica, generally older rockDon't know how to classify Suicidal Tendencies..Heh., I saw Suidcial Tendencies open for Megadeth in NYC, forgot the venue, great show though! <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" />"All I want is a pepsi" 

 EDIT: Thought about it a little more, made some edits. 

This message was edited by TheRealEddie on 3-25-06 @ 10:50 AM

Death Metal Moe

03-25-2006, 06:49 AM

You know I don't like labels either, but you do need to keep limits on Metal.When you call anything with a heavy guitar Metal, it cheapens Metal.  METAL is a PRIVILEGE!!!  You can't just say you're Metal, there has to be guidelines.Who gets to set those guidelines?  Fans I guess.  And as a fan, Hawthorne Heights is not in the same league as Metal.  They should be shot into space.So no, no one wants to limit their music with labels but again, you can't just call everything Metal so there has to be some sort of loose description of it.

jafter

03-25-2006, 06:54 AM

When I was a kid, Led Zeppelin and AC/DC were considered "metal." I agree with Gvac, when we were young bands like Zeppelin and AC/DC were metal then Black Sabbath was considered Heavy Metal and then in the late 70's early 80's you had Ozzy, Scorpions, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden that took over the Heavy Metal status.  Then you had your hair bands Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Poison, etc and that was supposed to be metal.  I think it was when Metallica and MegaDeath came around that it started to get harded and faster.  I am not an expert on this stuff just my observation of growing up back then.  It was kinda like punk you had the Ramones, the pistols, clash, the dammed. then it expanded into hardcore with black flagg, dead kennedy's, etc.

TheRealEddie

03-25-2006, 06:57 AM

Definitely seems like your age might have a lot to do with your classification. I got into "rock" when I was 13 which was 1988. By then Zep, Black Sabbath, etc were CLASSIC rock..stuff they played on 102.7 :)

MHasegawa

03-25-2006, 08:23 AM

evedder wrote: mikeyboy wrote: How would you classify "The Lone Rangers"?<img width="187" height="185" border="0" src="http://www.new-mercies.org/images/new_web/airheads1.jpg" />musical pioneers.snubbed by the academy. greatest rockumentary ever It's more of a power slop...

Dirtybird12

03-25-2006, 08:59 AM

what is heavy metal? its a great cartoon! AND - it's a way of life....man<img height="180" src="http://www.azulcalcinha.com.br/gif/t0048%20deesnider.jpg" width="180" border="0" />

wonderwoman

03-29-2006, 07:18 AM

jafter wrote: When I was a kid, Led Zeppelin and AC/DC were considered "metal." I agree with Gvac, when we were young bands like Zeppelin and AC/DC were metal then Black Sabbath was considered Heavy Metal and then in the late 70's early 80's you had Ozzy, Scorpions, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden that took over the Heavy Metal status.  Then you had your hair bands Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Poison, etc and that was supposed to be metal.  I think it was when Metallica and MegaDeath came around that it started to get harded and faster.  I am not an expert on this stuff just my observation of growing up back then.  It was kinda like punk you had the Ramones, the pistols, clash, the dammed. then it expanded into hardcore with black flagg, dead kennedy's, etc.    In reading through the different threads I saw this one and I had to add my 2-cents in as well. I definitely also have to also agree with Gvac and Jafter that this is the music that was considered metal when I was growing up as well.  I personally really got into the hair metal bands alot. I loved Def Leppard, motley crue, Poison, Still do.  To me they all kicked ass.  what is considered metal I think  just goes with the times. The 70's it was led zeppelin and black sabbath like jafter said.  It's true that after metallica and megadeth came on the scene metal became harder and faster and I personally couldn't get into it but that was just a sign of the times I guess. every decade has it's metal genre. I personally dont care for the music that is considered metal now but that's just me. I still just prefer to rock to my 80's metal back in black, etc...

wonderwoman

03-29-2006, 07:20 AM

CircusFreak wrote: what is heavy metal? its a great cartoon! AND - it's a way of life....man<img height="180" src="http://www.azulcalcinha.com.br/gif/t0048%20deesnider.jpg" width="180" border="0" />DEE Snider Had a good run while it lasted.

FUNKMAN

03-29-2006, 08:29 AM

<img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0767836316.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" />  <table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td>Heavy Metal - Sammy Hagar </td></tr><tr><td>2. Heartbeat - Riggs </td></tr><tr><td>3. Working In The Coal Mine - Devo </td></tr><tr><td>4. Veteran Of The Psychic Wars - Blue Oyster Cult </td></tr><tr><td>5. Reach Out - Cheap Trick </td></tr><tr><td>6. Heavy Metal (Takin' A Ride) - Don Felder </td></tr><tr><td>7. True Companion - Donald Fagen </td></tr><tr><td>8. Crazy (A Suitable Case for Treatment) - Nazareth </td></tr><tr><td>9. Radar Rider - Riggs </td></tr><tr><td>10. Open Arms - Journey </td></tr><tr><td>11. Queen Bee - Grand Funk Railroad </td></tr><tr><td>12. I Must Be Dreamin' </td></tr><tr><td>13. The Mob Rules - Black Sabbath </td></tr><tr><td>14. All of You - Don Felder </td></tr><tr><td>15. Prefabricated - Trust </td></tr><tr><td>16. Blue Lamp - Stevie Nicks </td></tr></table>