Please NFL..don't mess this up

[walking joint]

what is the NFL thinking.  just get a deal done.  if they don't come to an agreement there will be massive player cuts to get under last years salary cap number.  the projection for this years cap number was about $12 million more then what the actual number is going to end up being if they don't come to an agreement.  so teams will scramble to get under the number by Friday.  then to make it worse there will be no cap next year.  the NFL has what i think is the best salary structure in sports and it keeps a nice competitive balance.  Upshaw has stated if they go one year without a cap they will never go back to one.  that would let Snyder/Jones and the few other large market teams to dominate year after year.  the parity is what has made the NFL so great.  i hope they can work this out.  if not i see a lockout/strike coming not to many years from now. 

[HBox]

<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2351271" target="_blank">They messed it up.</a></p><p>Say goodbye to the NFL as you know it. And get prepared for some major players getting released.<br /></p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2351271" target="_blank"></a>

[Furtherman]

<p>The NFL stinks.</p><p>Just look the Super Bowl.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Watch a few games of European or Australian rugby and you'll see that the NFL are a bunch of overpaid wusses.&nbsp; </p><p>The NFL was great once.&nbsp; Especially in the 70's.&nbsp; But I think it's gotten worse and worse every year since the Superbow Shuffle.</p>

[HBox]

The NFL stinks.<span class="postbody"><p>Just look the Super Bowl.</p><p>How about looking at the two before this year's, two great games.<br /></p></span>

[Snoogans]

<p>what was wrong with this year's superbowl. it also ended up being a pretty great game</p><p>and the rams titans was one of the best games ive ever watched.The NFL is great nowadays. Call it whatever the fuck you want, but it's kinda nice to know every year that your team has a chance. Nobody thought the Giants would do as well as they did, and show promise like that. Man if Eli learns what stepping into a throw is they are set. </p><p>It's also the only sport, except maybe hockey, where I can watch any 2 teams play at any time and enjoy a game. I can enjoy a 0-0 game the same as i could a 42-38 game</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[furie]

here's a crazy thought; let's pay the players less money, something closer to reality. then this ceases to be an issue.

[HBox]

<p> </p><strong>furie</strong> wrote:<br />here's a crazy thought; let's pay the players less money, something closer to reality. then this ceases to be an issue.<p> </p><p> </p><p><font color="Navy"><font size="2">NFL players, more than any players in any other sport, sacrifice their bodies and health. They deserve their share. Owners will always charge as much as they can for tickets and stuff; it's simple economics. If players salaries were cut a lot, prices wouldn't magically fall. That's a childish fantasy. It would all go into the pockets of the owners. The prices will always be as much as fans are willing to pay for. After that, everyone in the NFL fights for their share.</font></font></p><p><font color="Navy"><font size="2">If we are going to down the road of &quot;They don't deserve what they're payed based on what they do,&quot; NFL players aren't even close to the worst just if you consider sports in general. Expand that into other areas, and they are barely a blip on the radar. I know it's popular to harp on athletes for what they make but they are an integral part to a very lucrative industry that makes shit loads of money and they should get their share of the wealth they help create, not some random figure based on some abstract idea of what someone somewhere thinks they deserve.</font></font><br /></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by HBox on 3-2-06 @ 12:48 PM</span>

[HBox]

<p><span class="postbody">what was wrong with this year's superbowl. it also ended up being a pretty great game</span></p><p>It was a close game, but it was a badly played, boring game.</p>

[mendyweiss]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>The NFL stinks.</p><p>Just look the Super Bowl.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Watch a few games of European or Australian rugby and you'll see that the NFL are a bunch of overpaid wusses.&nbsp; </p><p>The NFL was great once.&nbsp; Especially in the 70's.&nbsp; But I think it's gotten worse and worse every year since the Superbow Shuffle.</p><p>It's Disney on Ice for me, with my girls Tanith, Michelle, Sasha, Emily, and of course KImmie!</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>But Hbox from what I heard today is the players are looking for 60% of the profits.</p><p>Name any business where the employees should get that much.</p><p>The owner takes all the risks outside of the physical ones and hey if you dont want to get slammed around then go play another sport if you're good enough, or join the rest of the world and get another job.</p><p>In the end the players themselves are a dime a dozen.</p><p>Hypothetically, if you repalced these players with others, without the stigma of the name &quot; replacement players &quot; just as many people would watch football.</p><p>If you could field a team of all of those guys that dont get drafter or get cut by teams and put them on TV fans would still watch.</p><p>Now how many people can take the time and make the investment to own a team and assume all of the responsibility ?</p><p>And dont tell me players make the league because if you took Michael Vick, and put him in an Arena Football League jersey, he'd be an after thought. </p>

[HBox]

But Hbox from what I heard today is the players are looking for 60% of the profits.<span class="postbody"><p>Name any business where the employees should get that much.</p><p>The
owner takes all the risks outside of the physical ones and hey if you
dont want to get slammed around then go play another sport if you're
good enough, or join the rest of the world and get another job.</p><p>The owners are offering 56%. Is there a huge difference between 60% and 56%? The NFL is coming off of unprecedented success; it's only natural for the players to ask for more.<br /></p><p>Way to trivialize the players risks. They are the lowest paid of all sports and take the most physical risks. Careers can be ended on any play.</p><p>In the end the players themselves are a dime a dozen.</p></span><p>Hypothetically,
if you repalced these players with others, without the stigma of the
name &quot; replacement players &quot; just as many people would watch football.</p><p>If
you could field a team of all of those guys that dont get drafter or
get cut by teams and put them on TV fans would still watch.</p><p>Now how many people can take the time and make the investment to own a team and assume all of the responsibility ?</p><p>And
dont tell me players make the league because if you took Michael Vick,
and put him in an Arena Football League jersey, he'd be an after
thought.</p><p>You never watched the XFL did you? That was what you will see with replacment players, and it was complete garbage football, and I'm being very generous. Replacement players have NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER worked and I am completely shocked that anyone would argue otherwise. I watch the NFL because it is full of the best football players on the planet. I don't watch to see anybody plucked off the streets in an Eagles uniform.</p><p>I mean, what exactly are you attributing the NFL's success to? To guy's in the skybox? Is that why you watch? To watch Scott Pioli work his salary cap and talent evaluation magic? To watch owners grovel to cities asking for money to build themselves stadiums?<br /></p><p>Arena Football is a very different sport and a comparison can't be made with the NFL.<br /></p>

[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font color="Navy"><font size="2">I don't watch to see anybody plucked off the streets in an Eagles uniform.</font></font></p><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img width="291" height="475" border="0" src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0788812432.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg" />&nbsp;</p>

[HBox]

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2355861" target="_blank">They're gonna take another 72 hours.</a><br />

[TheGameHHH]

I love how every day is doomsday, then we get a 72 hour extension.

[TheGameHHH]

<p>opps</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by TheGameHHH on 3-6-06 @ 12:20 AM</span>

[HBox]

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2355921" target="_blank">In other news, Lavar Arrington REALLY wants to be a free agent.</a><br />

[PapaBear]

I really like Arrington, and wanted very much for him to be able to play to his potential. It just didn't work out. If he can stay healthy, he's going to make some team very very happy (even though he said last year, that he'd likely retire if he couldn't stay with the Skins). People say a lot of things.

[HBox]

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2360258" target="_blank">They didn't mess it up. The new CBA is approved by owners in a 30-2 vote, with only Buffalo and Cincinnati abstaining. Free Agency starts on Friday.</a><br />