~Toronto Blue Jay 2006 Edition/Yankee Hate Thread~

[spoon]

<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.cosmossports.com/toronto_blue_jays_logo200.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>One warning, I'll surely venture into the overcrowded Spankee thread to ruffle some feathers as you all know too well.&nbsp; </p><p>The 2006 season begins way ahead of the positive step 2005 was for the Jays.&nbsp; One must remember that the Jays were even with the Yanks mid-season when Halladay and Lilly&nbsp;went down (Lilly for the second time that year).&nbsp; Still they finished right around .500 and managed to get some great performances out of their young&nbsp;starters (Chacin, Hill, Adams) while continuing develop and build it's farm system.&nbsp; This allowed them to enter the offseason with some great bargaining chips on top of the financial windfall that was being bought by Rogers Corp.&nbsp; The latter meant approximately 30 million bucks more to be put into the team bringing its total up to $75 million.&nbsp; And they did just that. </p><p>They added #2 pitcher Burnett (reunited with his favorite pitching coach), a true top notch closer in BJ Ryan, a true cleanup hitter in Glaus (37 Hrs last year), a gap-hitting medium power/slick fielding first baseman in Overbay and finally one of the overall best catchers out there (gold glover &amp; around .300 avg hitter / 15+ Hrs) in Molina.&nbsp; All of these moves didn't come without a cost as one of my favorites in Hudson (one of the best fielding two baggers I've ever seen play) was lost.&nbsp; I wish they could have made the move without including him, but it didn't look possible.&nbsp; The best situation would have been to acquire our power from a move for a corner outfielder, but there just wasn't much out there.&nbsp; So the Jays now have incredible depth at the corners, but are real young up the middle of the infield which can hurt them with so many hard-throwing ground ball pitchers (Halladay and Burnett especially).&nbsp; Even practically giving Koskie away, the Jays still have Glaus, Overbay, Hinske, and Hillenbrand at the corners.&nbsp; Not to mention their starting SS (Adams) and 2B (Hill) have easily covered the positions in the past.&nbsp; They are however limited up the middle.&nbsp; </p><p>The acquisition of Molina gave Toronto probably the best depth at catcher in the league as Zaun hit around .260 last year with 11 hrs even though he missed a couple weeks with an injury.&nbsp; He'll be a great asset as a switch hitter coming off the bench late in games.&nbsp; Defensively he's definately above average, but doesn't have a great gun to throw out runners.&nbsp; However, he might be one of the Jay's best catchers ever at covering the plate.&nbsp; </p><p>The outfield gives the Jays a shitload of options.&nbsp; Hinske has played the outfield in the past and it shouldn't be a tough transition back.&nbsp; This allows Toronto to match up each corner outfielder to the arms of the opposing starting pitchers.&nbsp; When they face a righty pitcher, you'll most often see Catalanotto in left field (.301/8 hrs while splitting the position last year) and Hinske in right field (over .283/11 hrs vs. righties last year).&nbsp; With a lefty on the mound be ready for Johnson in left (.270/8 hrs splitting time last year) and Rios in right(.262/10 hrs while splitting time in right last&nbsp;year).&nbsp; Of course Wells will being the usual starter in center (.270/28 hrs / 97 rbis / 78 runs last year with nobody protecting him in the lineup.&nbsp; This year he returns a two-time gold glove winner with Glaus behind him in the lineup.&nbsp; His numbers should rebound back to his days hitting in front of Delgado.&nbsp; </p><p>As far as overall outfield defense goes, Wells is top shelf quality with a pretty good arm.&nbsp; I wouldn't call it a cannon, but it does catch people off guard a lot.&nbsp; In lef

[TheMojoPin]

<p>Spoon, seriously man, why couldn't this have gone into the MLB thread?&nbsp; Like it or not, the other teams have threads because we have at least a few fans for them here as regulars, and in the case of the Red and Yankees and Mets, a LOT of fans post here.&nbsp; I'd love to have a Cubs thread, but I'm not gonna pretend like it wouldn't just be me talking to myself.&nbsp; That's gonna be exactly the case here, shoot of any spillover from the fights you'll inevitably fight in the Yankees thread.</p><p>No, I'm not gonna lock it...yet.&nbsp; If we get into the season and it's still essentially just you here, use the MLB thread.&nbsp; Otherwise you've essentially got a Jays blog going here, and you can go do that on your own.</p>

[spoon]

Hence the reason I dubbed it a &quot;Yankee Hate Thread&quot; as well silly.&nbsp; Plus with the Jays being in it this year, the yankee go-kart team has no choice but to pay attention!&nbsp; Oh and Alex Rios posts here too.&nbsp; Just ask Duke.

[TheMojoPin]

In it, shmin it.&nbsp; Nothing is a given until October.&nbsp; Look, if this thread takes off, great.&nbsp; If not, we'll just fold it into the other MLB thread.&nbsp; All the Yankee hate can fit in there just fine.

[cougarjake13]

<p>I'm all aboard the yankee hater train .... next stop third place</p><p>I live in tampa so unfortunately i have the spankees in my back yard but i will never turn to the dark side, therefore i am adopting the blue jays as my favorite AL team, the d-rays are just horrible to watch especially in that shitty stadium.</p><p><img src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Darren%20Jakobsen/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/metsjays.JPG" align="absBottom" border="0" /></p>

[stickyfingers]

Hey, Mojo...leave this thread alone.<br /><br />I am on board with the Jays...I placed a wager for 100 to win 3000 on them to win the World Series.&nbsp; So if they get to the playoffs I can start hedging my bet and gaurantee myself some decent money.&nbsp; You will find a bunch of posts from me in this thread this year.&nbsp; Hopefully, praising Spoon's odd choice of favorite team. <br /><br />Jays vs. Mets in the World Series?<br />

[spoon]

<p>That's the spirit!!&nbsp; Take that Mojo!!&nbsp; I'm the Blue Jay evangelist/missionary, spreading the way of the Jay&nbsp;up and down the coast.&nbsp; CJ, best poster on the site I might add.&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;--And that wraps up my self absorbed Moe moment for the week.&nbsp; </p><p>Hey mojo, how about a friendly little wager that doesn't involve hair?&nbsp; Say 5 shekels on who finishes ahead in terms of overall record at the end of the year.&nbsp; Or better yet, perhaps a buck per game difference when all it said and done.&nbsp; This way if our teams fold, as is the cubs&nbsp;m.o. and the jays of late, we'd still have a little fun with the season.&nbsp; You have the fact that the Jays play in the toughest division in baseball going for you right off the bat.&nbsp; What say you Mojo O'Reilly?</p><p>P.S. - CJ for mod!&nbsp;</p>

[Death Metal Moe]

So this is why my ears are always ringing.&nbsp; I thought it was the loud music.

[spoon]

<strong>stickyfingers</strong> wrote:<br />Hey, Mojo...leave this thread alone.<br /><br />I am on board with the Jays...I placed a wager for 100 to win 3000 on them to win the World Series.&nbsp; So if they get to the playoffs I can start hedging my bet and gaurantee myself some decent money.&nbsp; You will find a bunch of posts from me in this thread this year.&nbsp; Hopefully, praising Spoon's odd choice of favorite team. <br /><br />Jays vs. Mets in the World Series?<br /><p>Wow Mike, you know that matchup might break my gal and I up!&nbsp; Safe to say we'd be spending some nice flow to see at least a few games in the WS.&nbsp; </p><p>Sticky for Mod too!&nbsp; The word of the Jay spreadssssssaaaaa!&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p><img src="http://www.leftfootred.com/Evangelist.jpg" border="0" /></p>

[spoon]

<p><img src="http://www.i-deas.co.il/store/images/products/teams/toronto-bluejays.jpg" border="0" /></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by spoon on 2-26-06 @ 4:40 PM</span>

[curtoid]

I'll stop by half the time.

[spoon]

Curtoid for part-time Mod!

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>That's the spirit!!&nbsp; Take that Mojo!!&nbsp; I'm the Blue Jay evangelist/missionary, spreading the way of the Jay&nbsp;up and down the coast.&nbsp; CJ, best poster on the site I might add.&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;--And that wraps up my self absorbed Moe moment for the week.&nbsp; </p><p>Hey mojo, how about a friendly little wager that doesn't involve hair?&nbsp; Say 5 shekels on who finishes ahead in terms of overall record at the end of the year.&nbsp; Or better yet, perhaps a buck per game difference when all it said and done.&nbsp; This way if our teams fold, as is the cubs&nbsp;m.o. and the jays of late, we'd still have a little fun with the season.&nbsp; You have the fact that the Jays play in the toughest division in baseball going for you right off the bat.&nbsp; What say you Mojo O'Reilly?</p><p>P.S. - CJ for mod!&nbsp;</p><p>I'll take that bet!&nbsp; I like the buck per game difference...great idea!</p><p>But...that's 2 Jays fans so far!&nbsp; I know there are at least 4 Cubs fans on the board, and I still locked that one up.&nbsp; If 5 Jays fans make themselves known, so shall it remain!</p><p>And for the record, the Hello Kitty pic in the Yankees thread ruled the school.</p>

[spoon]

Deal then on the bet.&nbsp; $1 per game dif.&nbsp; For example:&nbsp; The Jays win 90 games and the Cubs win 85, then you'll owe me $5.&nbsp; Just to clarify, but I know you're not an idiot.&nbsp; As for the thread, it almost has as many post as the MLB thread!&nbsp; Come on man!!&nbsp; I only make one thread a month and you're tearing my heart out!!&nbsp; On board so far for various reasons:&nbsp; Spoon, Sticky, 50% of Curtoid, Mojo (due to the bet), cougarjake13 and I'm sure I can drag the likes of Snoogans, Crippler, ESD, BDC and other foes of the Jays in here.&nbsp; Hell, just wait until my yankee hating brethren come droppin in!&nbsp; All is looking good here in Blue Jay Threadtopia!

[Justice4all]

<p>Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh...the Yanks are better then us....Wahhhhhh....we have a BETTER team this year...Wahhhhhh</p><p><img src="http://www.webdelsol.com/The_Potomac/issue2/crybaby.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Nothing but hatin' in this thread.</p><p>You are all jealous because <font size="3">YOU ALL WISH YOUR TEAM WAS AS AWSOME AS THE YANKS!</font></p><p><font size="1">So cry your little tears of bitch-dom and dream your little dreams.</font></p><p><font size="1">1st place AGAIN as you all do what you do best...watch our asses as you sit behind us! (I know you like that Spoon...so calm down)</font></p><p><font size="1" /></p><p><font size="1" /></p><p><font size="1">Now that I am done ranting. I will openly ADMIT that the team that pulled the better (if not best) offseason moves is the Blue Jays. I think they have a fantastic starting roatation and they also seemed to bolster up their bats in the lineup also.</font></p><p><font size="1">Good closer pickup too</font><font size="1">.</font></p><p><font size="1">&nbsp;I think they will destroy the Red Sox for the Wild Card Berth.</font></p>

[coffeeal401]

[quote]<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.cosmossports.com/toronto_blue_jays_logo200.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>One warning, I'll surely venture into the overcrowded Spankee thread to ruffle some feathers as you all know too well.&nbsp; </p><p>The 2006 season begins way ahead of the positive step 2005 was for the Jays.&nbsp; One must remember that the Jays were even with the Yanks mid-season when Halladay and Lilly&nbsp;went down (Lilly for the second time that year).&nbsp; Still they finished right around .500 and managed to get some great performances out of their young&nbsp;starters (Chacin, Hill, Adams) while continuing develop and build it's farm system.&nbsp; This allowed them to enter the offseason with some great bargaining chips on top of the financial windfall that was being bought by Rogers Corp.&nbsp; The latter meant approximately 30 million bucks more to be put into the team bringing its total up to $75 million.&nbsp; And they did just that. </p><p>They added #2 pitcher Burnett (reunited with his favorite pitching coach), a true top notch closer in BJ Ryan, a true cleanup hitter in Glaus (37 Hrs last year), a gap-hitting medium power/slick fielding first baseman in Overbay and finally one of the overall best catchers out there (gold glover &amp; around .300 avg hitter / 15+ Hrs) in Molina.&nbsp; All of these moves didn't come without a cost as one of my favorites in Hudson (one of the best fielding two baggers I've ever seen play) was lost.&nbsp; I wish they could have made the move without including him, but it didn't look possible.&nbsp; The best situation would have been to acquire our power from a move for a corner outfielder, but there just wasn't much out there.&nbsp; So the Jays now have incredible depth at the corners, but are real young up the middle of the infield which can hurt them with so many hard-throwing ground ball pitchers (Halladay and Burnett especially).&nbsp; Even practically giving Koskie away, the Jays still have Glaus, Overbay, Hinske, and Hillenbrand at the corners.&nbsp; Not to mention their starting SS (Adams) and 2B (Hill) have easily covered the positions in the past.&nbsp; They are however limited up the middle.&nbsp; </p><p>The acquisition of Molina gave Toronto probably the best depth at catcher in the league as Zaun hit around .260 last year with 11 hrs even though he missed a couple weeks with an injury.&nbsp; He'll be a great asset as a switch hitter coming off the bench late in games.&nbsp; Defensively he's definately above average, but doesn't have a great gun to throw out runners.&nbsp; However, he might be one of the Jay's best catchers ever at covering the plate.&nbsp; </p><p>The outfield gives the Jays a shitload of options.&nbsp; Hinske has played the outfield in the past and it shouldn't be a tough transition back.&nbsp; This allows Toronto to match up each corner outfielder to the arms of the opposing starting pitchers.&nbsp; When they face a righty pitcher, you'll most often see Catalanotto in left field (.301/8 hrs while splitting the position last year) and Hinske in right field (over .283/11 hrs vs. righties last year).&nbsp; With a lefty on the mound be ready for Johnson in left (.270/8 hrs splitting time last year) and Rios in right(.262/10 hrs while splitting time in right last&nbsp;year).&nbsp; Of course Wells will being the usual starter in center (.270/28 hrs / 97 rbis / 78 runs last year with nobody protecting him in the lineup.&nbsp; This year he returns a two-time gold glove winner with Glaus behind him in the lineup.&nbsp; His numbers should rebound back to his days hitting in front of Delgado.&nbsp; </p><p>As far as overall outfield defense goes, Wells is top shelf quality with a pretty good arm.&nbsp; I wouldn't call it a cannon, b

[Knowledged_one]

<p>Coffeal or whatever your name is:</p><p>It's good to see you showing how little you know about sports after your pathetic attempt to talk about music in the kid rock thread</p><p>Let me ask do you know anything at all about anything?</p>

[curtoid]

<p><img height="295" src="http://www.yanks-suck.com/images/touchy.jpg" width="331" border="0" /></p><p>Yankees fans are so touchy.</p>

[spoon]

<p>&quot;you cant be serious. third place maybe. 72-90 if your lucky.&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I would have to second the &quot;you can't be serious&quot; line bc the Jays won 80 games last year only have Lilly and Halladay half the year.&nbsp; And the Jays are clearly a stronger team then last year.&nbsp; The third place is totally possible, but I'd bet a ton of money they get way more than 72 wins.&nbsp; You down with the bet?&nbsp; Over/under, $5 a win/lose off 72.&nbsp; Put your money where your mouth is bitch!</p>

[spoon]

<p>Halladay signed until 2010.&nbsp; This may have allowed him to slack of late since his gave up his first earned runs during spring training upping his ERA to a whopping 1.38.&nbsp; Not all that bad coming off a season ending broken leg last year.&nbsp; Let's get this season going!!</p>

[coffeeal401]

<strong>Knowledged_one</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Coffeal or whatever your name is:</p><p>It's good to see you showing how little you know about sports after your pathetic attempt to talk about music in the kid rock thread</p><p>Let me ask do you know anything at all about anything?</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Listen Coolie wanna be who the fuck are you to call me out on sports and rock music.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

He's the Knowledged One.&nbsp; He knows things.

[spoon]

<p>&quot;you cant be serious. third place maybe. 72-90 if your lucky&quot; </p><p>&nbsp;</p>If your so on top of your game, put your money where your mouth is!&nbsp; The above statement is ludicrous buddy.&nbsp; KO just calls'em as he see'em!

[TheGameHHH]

<p>how about 73-89? that seems more realistic</p>

[spoon]

<p>First off, what's up H and how's your new favorite team the Steelers? </p><p>Second, any progress on that gambling addiction?&nbsp; Hope not.</p>

[TheGameHHH]

<p>what are you talking about? I've been a Steelers fan since day one, GO BIG BEN!!!!!</p><p>and since youre so concerned,&nbsp;this NCAA tourney&nbsp;is killing me. If you had taken my bracket and picked the exact opposite of everything I said, you'd be a millionaire. &nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by TheGameHHH on 3-18-06 @ 3:54 PM</span>

[coffeeal401]

OK Spoon&nbsp; you get the wild card. 90- 72&nbsp; for real NOT.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by coffeeal401 on 3-18-06 @ 6:56 PM</span>

[spoon]

Hey you can pick against my team as much as you want, but don't expect people to rip idiotic picks like yours.&nbsp; And what about the bet big man?&nbsp; Your picks are as bad as your jokes!

[coffeeal401]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br />Hey you can pick against my team as much as you want, but don't expect people to rip idiotic picks like yours.&nbsp; And what about the bet big man?&nbsp; Your picks are as bad as your jokes! <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Listen Spoon ive been a YANKEE FAN since i was a kid, its your hate thread , you wanted opions i gave you mine. plus i wasnt&nbsp; trying to be funny. you want jokes go to Jokeman .com<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" /></p>

[spoon]

<p>Wait, when did I ask for any of your &quot;opions&quot;?&nbsp; And what the fuck&nbsp;is it?&nbsp; </p><p>You site for jokes sucks too.&nbsp; Good to know your a troubled &quot;YANKEE FAN&quot;.&nbsp; How can you live with all the other idiotic yankee fans/kin?&nbsp; Or are you just one in the same?&nbsp; You punks give me douche chills!&nbsp; Or as I now call them the coffeals.</p>

[FezPaul]

<p>If we're going to bash the Yankees I'm in. After the Yankee-laden USA team gagged in the WBC we should have plenty of company. As for the Blue Jays, I guess I could adopt them as my AL team since my tean (D'backs) is in the NL. And I'm sure you remember the Yankees choking in game 7 against the D'backs in 2001.</p><p>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOO LOLOOLOLOLOLOLOOOO</p>

[spoon]

<p>Welcome to the party FP! I surely can push for your Dbacks as well since you now have one of my favorite Jays of old there now, Hudson!&nbsp; And so far, Glaus looks good and healthy for us.&nbsp; Looks like the makings of a great trade for both.&nbsp; Hudson is the best fielding two-bagger I ever saw.&nbsp; And he's one hell of a clubhouse guy. </p><p>Take that Mojo, &quot;spork&quot; has even more allies in the thread, some on both angles now.&nbsp; The Blue Jays should use this anti-yankee theme to attract more US fans.&nbsp; I'm sure some would buy in, for the Yankees are a big group of hired douche rags looking for a free title.&nbsp; And I'll chill on the tarts they call fans until provoked!&nbsp; At least their Yankee thread has been more civil with this thread being active.&nbsp; Right mojo?&nbsp;&nbsp; And this thread also is the place for our&nbsp;bet updates and pitching woes, as the latter seems to be contagious.</p>

[coffeeal401]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Wait, when did I ask for any of your &quot;opions&quot;?&nbsp; And what the fuck&nbsp;is it?&nbsp; </p><p>You site for jokes sucks too.&nbsp; Good to know your a troubled &quot;YANKEE FAN&quot;.&nbsp; How can you live with all the other idiotic yankee fans/kin?&nbsp; Or are you just one in the same?&nbsp; You punks give me douche chills!&nbsp; Or as I now call them the coffeals.</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Now im not taking you for real.&nbsp; post at the all star break bitch.</p>

[BoondockSaint]

My silence in this thread so far in no way reflects my continuing hatred of the Yankees.&nbsp;

[coffeeal401]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />My silence in this thread so far in no way reflects my continuing hatred of the Yankees.&nbsp; <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I ts a game we all played as kids there was no hate back then. its just the team your parents took you to see . stop the hate its just a game.the mets are getting a new park be happy.&nbsp; </p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>coffeeal401</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />My silence in this thread so far in no way reflects my continuing hatred of the Yankees.&nbsp; <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I ts a game we all played as kids there was no hate back then. its just the team your parents took you to see . stop the hate its just a game.the mets are getting a new park be happy.&nbsp; </p><p>You're right.&nbsp; I'm sorry.</p>

[BoondockSaint]

Daivid Justice just said that he couldn't go play for the Red Sox in 2003 because he felt he was too much of a Yankee.&nbsp; WTF?&nbsp; He played a year and a half with the Yanks.&nbsp; What a fucking suck up announcer.

[FezPaul]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Daivid Justice just said that he&nbsp;couldn't go play for the red sox&nbsp;because he felt he was too much of a Yankee.&nbsp; WTF?&nbsp; He played a year and a half with the Yanks.&nbsp; What a fucking suck up announcer. <p>'01 .241 avg 18 hr 51 rbi</p><p>'02 .266 avg 11 hr 49 rbi</p><p>let's face it, by '03 he just couldn't play</p>

[spoon]

For the record, I was the first true yankee hater in my family.&nbsp; However, now there are many.&nbsp; Not to mention I was never taken to Toronto games when a kid, and I hated the yankees since I was at least 7 years old.&nbsp; Most of my friends liked the spanks, so I naturally hated them more.&nbsp; Even though I liked the Jays just as long as my yankee hatred has existed, it's tough for me to remember which came first.&nbsp; Chicken/egg theory&nbsp;I guees.&nbsp; No matter.&nbsp; So keep your psychobabble bullshit to yourself and realize some of us DID IN FACT hate when we were kids and continue that great long established tradition alive to this day.&nbsp; Only now, we have soooo many more reasons to justify it.&nbsp; Talk to me after game 162.&nbsp; The all-star break numbers don't mean shit.&nbsp; Just ask the Nationals from last year.&nbsp; Great year for them none-the-less, but all-star break numbers aren't the end all.

[spoon]

<strong>FezPaul</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Daivid Justice just said that he&nbsp;couldn't go play for the red sox&nbsp;because he felt he was too much of a Yankee.&nbsp; WTF?&nbsp; He played a year and a half with the Yanks.&nbsp; What a fucking suck up announcer. <p>'01 .241 avg 18 hr 51 rbi</p><p>'02 .266 avg 11 hr 49 rbi</p><p>let's face it, by '03 he just couldn't play</p><p>This here is what I term the &quot;classic yankee lumping theory&quot;.&nbsp; It is essentially what most kids and late blooming adult yankee fans do to create the image of being a winner bc they like a winner.&nbsp; This is especially true for most, not all, yankee fans with absolutely no ties to the NY metro area.&nbsp; The Justice case is hilarious and it occurs too often.&nbsp; He's rather be remembered as a Yankee now surely bc he's employed there now and that part is understandable.&nbsp; Yet he could be tied to some great Braves teams as well, but he pushes that to the side for a chance to be linked to the most successful (and profitable/surely a motivator)&nbsp;&quot;other team raping&quot; sports franchise of all time.&nbsp; Fuck you David &quot;Beat Your Wife&quot; Justice, and all the fans described above.&nbsp; Sorry to offend you coffeal, HHH and bitchcakes.</p>

[TheGameHHH]

there's nothing you could possibly say that would ever offend me

[spoon]

<p>Man, you must be REAL tough huh?&nbsp; </p><p>Who the fuck cares?&nbsp; Just shutup already and gamble away on your credit cards while the rest of us post.</p>

[TheGameHHH]

u act like you've never sat down at a card table or gambled in your life, that holier than thou attitude you posess&nbsp;is so tired.

[spoon]

Not the case at all you whiny fuck.&nbsp; I'm just not dumb enough to gamble/lose all the time on fucking basketball teasers stupid.&nbsp; Now go act like you don't care pop tart and serve some customer's table since you flunked out of law school before the end of the first year.&nbsp; Hey, you'll always have Jack Johnson's biodiesel dream baby.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by spoon on 3-20-06 @ 10:21 PM</span>

[curtoid]

<p>My feelings for the Yankees go so far and beyond hatred it doesn't even show up on a radar screen, which wasn't always the case. They were never my team, but as a kid I could watch the Yanks and enjoy them like any other team, as long as they weren't playing someone I liked better. Hell, Bugs Bunny always seemed to like them.</p><p><img height="400" src="http://www.barkeranimation.com/images/Temp_DB/011/1158.jpg" width="305" border="0" /></p><p>When I got back into following baseball about 15 years, however, I began to encounter more and more Yankee fans who were shitty ambassadors for their team.&nbsp;My annoyance turned to contempt&nbsp;in 1996, when they out and out stole a game from the Orioles in the playoffs, and all of the fucking New York media (and the MLB) herolded that 12 year old asswipe as some sort of hero (I'm looking at you Regis and Letterman!!) THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE THIS LITTLE PUSS HIS OWN FUCKING TOPPS BASEBALL CARD! Fucking cheaters and cheater lovers.</p><p><img height="390" src="http://ww3.sportsline.com/u/photos/allsport/Maier11597.jpg" width="261" border="0" /></p><p>I've half-way convinced myself that Baltimore put a Mussina Curse on them, when&nbsp;Moose left a team and town he was beloved for a guarentee World Series&nbsp;championship. </p><p>Even though I have good friends who love that stupid team, I can only root for the most heinous of evil things to happen to them and that kid forever and will always find some sort of glee when they fail.</p><p><img height="150" src="http://lushess.com/sox/alcs_2004/thumb/pigs_fly_hell_freezes_over.jpg" width="108" border="0" /></p><p><a href="http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/college/060122maier.html" target="_self">&quot;I Hate Jeffrey Maier&quot;</a></p><p> When he was a freshman, an Amherst (Mass.) fan shouted, &quot;Baltimore hates you&quot; to Maier as he waited on a pitch. Maier responded by depositing the pitch over the right-field fence.</p><p>Maier has developed a sense of humor about the incident, though. A Wesleyan senior from Baltimore is making a film entitled, &quot;I Hate Jeffrey Maier,&quot; which is a farce about a student from Baltimore who realizes he is classmates with Maier and devotes his college career to making Maier's life miserable. Maier, who plays himself, is one of the film&rsquo;s stars.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by curtoid on 3-21-06 @ 9:11 AM</span>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p> </p><strong>curtoid</strong> wrote:<p>Moose left a team and town he was beloved for a guarentee World Series championship.</p><p> </p><p>Mike Mussina hasn't won a World Series with the Yankees. Nothing's guarenteed in baseball, no matter how much money anyone spends. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p> </p>



<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-21-06 @ 8:15 PM</span>

[A.J.]

<p>However, someone is trying to prove it in <u>basketball</u>:</p><p><img height="252" src="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050309/050309_thomas_knicks_hmed.hmedium.jpg" width="423" border="0" /></p>

[Snoogans]

I was all about this thread until now. But since there is a pic of Isiah,, this is the worst thread ever<br />

[A.J.]

I apologize Snoogs.&nbsp; I should put myself on vacation for that.

[curtoid]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>curtoid</strong> wrote: <p>Moose left a team and town he was beloved for a guarentee World Series championship.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Mike Mussina hasn't won a World Series with the Yankees. Nothing's guarenteed in baseball, no matter how much money anyone spends. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>That was actually my point - I should have put guarentee in quotes.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<a href="http://progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/dugout3-26-06.htm" target="_blank">I finally &quot;get&quot; the Blue Jays.</a>

[cougarjake13]

<p>gonna check out my adopted AL team the Blue Jays this week before they go north to start out the season i think they play twins and phillies</p><p>i really think the division is up for grabs, the yankees starting rotation is a big question mark but they seem solid everywhere else, red sox are returning almost the same team as last year, lost damon, gained beckett but bullpen as well as their rotation is shaky, i really can see the jays sneaking up and winning the division</p>

[spoon]

<p>Just when you think the Jays have their rotation down, AJ and Lilly may both miss their first starts.&nbsp; Good thing they have some good long relievers ready to fill in with Downs and Walker.&nbsp; Not to mention a huge fucker named Tallet who didn't allow a single run through 15 innings or so during spring training.&nbsp; Yet Halladay is ready and that's a huge factor baby!&nbsp; </p><p>What an opening day matchup for the Jays with two top Cy candidates facing off, J. Santana versus Roy Halladay!&nbsp; Can the pitching get much better?</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by spoon on 4-3-06 @ 12:44 AM</span>

[TheGameHHH]

Burnett is def. missing his first two starts, there's no maybe about it.

[spoon]

<p>The perhaps was aimed at both missing a start, but AJ might only miss one as he's retro 15 day dl.</p>

[spoon]

<p>&quot;Burnett will be placed on the 15-day disabled list to begin the season, and he will make his first appearance on April 16 against the World Series champion White Sox at U.S. Cellular Field in Chicago.&quot;</p><p>Technically if this holds true, you're right.&nbsp; The Jays stated now that even though he'd be eligible earlier, they want to slot him in behind Halladay as planned for the #2 spot.&nbsp; </p>

[cougarjake13]

<p>mets win, hopefully the jays can win tommorrow </p><p>i got a.j. on my fantasy team so i'll lose a few starts but it's early</p><p>wouldn't it be sweet if sheff and the giambino get found out during these investigations and banned one can dream</p>

[spoon]

And how cool would it be if Arod went down too!&nbsp; I just wanted to upgrade this to a wet dream!

[cougarjake13]

i know it's only the first week of the season but it's so sweet to see the yankees in the cellar

[cougarjake13]

hey spoon hate to say this but with the yankees playing this poorly&nbsp;maybe you should go on vacation more often

[FezPaul]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br />hey spoon hate to say this but with the yankees playing this poorly&nbsp;maybe you should go on vacation more often <p>I disagree, did you notice that spoon joined this board in oct. 2001, the year the Yankees lost to the D-backs, and the Yankees haven't won since........</p><p>...............I'm just sayin'......</p>

[Fallon]

<p>Since this is the /Yankee Hate Thread, I thought I'd drop my latest video here.</p><p><a href="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=643547515&n=2" target="_blank">Check it out.&nbsp;</a></p>

[Justice4all]

<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%" border="0"><tr><td valign="middle"><div><span class="name"><font face="verdana" color="#000000" size="2"><strong>spoon</strong></font></span></div></td><td valign="top" colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="110"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" width="100%" border="0"><tr><td>&nbsp;</td></tr><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><!-- includes/act_membertitle.cfm --><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/Super%20Poster.gif" border="0" /> </span></td></tr><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><strong>Posts:</strong> 3753 </span></td></tr><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><strong>Joined:</strong> Oct 2001 </span></td></tr><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><strong>Status:</strong> Offline. </span></td></tr><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><strong>Location:</strong> Old Jersey </span></td></tr><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><strong><font color="#ff0000">On Vacation...</font></strong> </span></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>That's what the bitch gets for making a Yankee hater thread!!!!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Oh yea...AND THE AV'S SUCK TOO!!!!</p><p><img src="http://black.daten-schutz.ch/wp-content/pics/middle_finger.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>(walks away singing)&nbsp; La la la la laaaa la laaaaa.........</p>

[Snoogans]

Real big man Justice. Wait until he is banned and can't say anything.<br />

[Justice4all]

<p>That was the POINT oh misser-of-obvious-things.</p><p>Sheesh Snoogs....you should know, being in this circle, that we ALWAYS take cheap shots at each other. Spoony would appreciate that! </p><p>You should too. It's all outta love my brutha...love!</p>

[Snoogans]

<p>i shoulda known, yet this guy doesnt get it</p><p>calm down it was a joke, but what you said still wasnt funny<br /> </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Snoogans on 4-10-06 @ 2:51 PM</span>

[curtoid]

<p>Speaking of cheap shots, for some reasonI feel compelled, now that he's dead,&nbsp;to take <a href="http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=1774" target="_self">Gene Pitney</a> down a few pegs too. <em>Town without pity my ass!</em> And don't even get me going on that busy know it all Maureen Stepleton.</p><p><img src="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41525000/jpg/_41525000_203top.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>Oh yeah...Yankees suck.</p>

[Justice4all]

<p>Just called Spoon and told him the actions of his thread. </p><p>He said, &quot; Curtoid's on crack, where the hell did that reference come from&quot;</p><p>&quot;P.S. Brokeback Moe still sucks...now back to the beach&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Please do not shoot the messenger.</p>

[Crippler]

<p>I'm no mod or anything, but I think Justice deserves a vacation for aiding &amp; abetting a temporarily banned board member in circumventing his banishment by posting his thoughts for him.</p><p>Do I hear a second?</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>FezPaul</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br />hey spoon hate to say this but with the yankees playing this poorly&nbsp;maybe you should go on vacation more often <p>I disagree, did you notice that spoon joined this board in oct. 2001, the year the Yankees lost to the D-backs, and the Yankees haven't won since........</p><p>...............I'm just sayin'......</p><p>yeh i didnt notice that </p><p><font size="3">SAVE SPOON</font></p>

[Justice4all]

<strong>Crippler</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'm no mod or anything, but I think Justice deserves a vacation for aiding &amp; abetting a temporarily banned board member in circumventing his banishment by posting his thoughts for him.</p><p>Do I hear a second?</p><p>Thanks Pal.....with friends like you who needs enimas?</p>

[Crippler]

<p>And with friends like you, who needs horribly dated books of bad jokes &amp; cheese-ball cliches?</p>

[spoon]

<p>It's super early, but I'm surely going to keep tabs on the Jay's series records with the big two (hopefully soon to be the big three) in the AL East.&nbsp; </p><p>Blue Jays 2 Sox 1</p><p>Blue Jays 1 Yanks 0</p><p>Let's all pull for Lilly Wednesday afternoon to shut down the Yanks.&nbsp; This game will be in that 4-2, 5-3 range if I were a betting man.&nbsp; Both Moose and Lilly seem to be pitching pretty well of late, but these two teams hit way to well to be shut&nbsp;down all together.&nbsp; Hopefully the Jays come out on top.</p>

[spoon]

<p>Key Series Update:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Blue Jays 2 Sox 1</p><p>Blue Jays 1 Yanks 1</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>*The Jays staff will be in full force finally when they come back to NY for next weekend's series.&nbsp; Should be a great one this early in the year.&nbsp; </p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote: <p>*The Jays staff will be in full force finally when they come back to NY for next weekend's series.&nbsp; Should be a great one this early in the year.&nbsp; </p><p>Good job Jinxy McJinxerton.</p><p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2417988" target="_self">Jays put Burnett on 15 day DL</a></p>

[spoon]

<p>Yah, no shit huh?!</p><p>Key Series Update:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Blue Jays&nbsp;4 Sox 2</p><p>Blue Jays 1 Yanks 1</p>

[Bulldogcakes]

You guys own the Red Sox. I hope you knock them out of the playoffs, Schilling and Beckett scare me in a short series. Nobody else does. <br />

[Snoogans]

Yea, hope you knock us out, Spoon, cause he knows damn well the Yankees wont<br />

[Bulldogcakes]

<p>&nbsp;</p><p>Just GET to the playoffs Snoogans, then we'll talk. <br /></p><p>And hope YOU dont play the Angels in the first round, who also own your ass </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>(I know, I know, they also own the Yanks) </p>

<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 4-24-06 @ 9:23 PM</span>

[spoon]

Hey hey hey!!&nbsp; It's the Blue Jays that need to first, and finally make the playoffs!&nbsp; You too have had your time, let poor little spoon have some playoff baseball for once.

[spoon]

Hey Mikeyboy, you ready for this Blue Jay/Oriole series?&nbsp; Should be fun to watch!&nbsp;

[TheGameHHH]

Is there a scheduled date for Burnett's return? Or is he just on the DL for an unspecified amount of time?

[spoon]

From what I heard they definitely want to take it slower this time even though it looks like the same old scar tissue issue.&nbsp; No date has been set so far from what I've read.&nbsp; However, this is probably the best news possible at this point.

[spoon]

Being that the Cubs are 12-7 and the Jays are 10-8, our bet is really looking week.&nbsp; Perhaps upping the wager by a buck to make it $2 per game difference?&nbsp; This way&nbsp;the average difference of around 10 games will at least be worth around twenty bucks.&nbsp; I'm fine either way, but $2 per game makes it a little more interesting I think.&nbsp; Let me know.

[TheMojoPin]

<p>Eh...with Lee down, I can't do it.&nbsp; Everything's way too up in the air.&nbsp; I'd like to be blindly confident, but with Prior and Wood still out and no Lee, that's kinda retarded on my part.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

Besides, we've got 140 games to go.&nbsp; Don't be fooled by the sample size, my friend.

[TheMojoPin]

Shit...Zambrano is so powerful he broke my sig.

[spoon]

<p>Sample size?&nbsp; Your team is up right now not mine.&nbsp; I just wanted to make this thing a little more interesting but a buck per is fine too.&nbsp; </p><p>Oh and how long has Zambrano been on the Giambi rage growth hormone?&nbsp; I've never seen a pitcher do that in my life!&nbsp; It wasn't the strength that shocked me, but the anger over striking out.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<p>Dude, him striking out kicked him into gear.&nbsp; He's been trying to keep cool all season and it's held him back.&nbsp; He finally tweeks and snaps a bat like it's balsa wood and comes back&nbsp;to pitch&nbsp;and strikes out a dozen guys.&nbsp; Works for me.&nbsp; Plus, it was insanely badass.&nbsp; I want Zambrano to be the new Chuck Norris when he starts destroying people on the field like they're just piles of meat!</p><p>I think he was just pissed that he's only gotten 1 hit this year.&nbsp; He's always been a really solid hitting pitcher, usually hovering around .290, and able to switch hit with some power.&nbsp; He's one of those rare pitchers I'd have no problem seeing acting as a pinch hitter from time to time.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 4-26-06 @ 1:53 AM</span>

[spoon]

He's definitely not a pitcher I'd charge the mound on.&nbsp;&nbsp;In that&nbsp;battle, I'm keeping&nbsp;my&nbsp;helmet on and&nbsp;bringing my bat!&nbsp; &nbsp;

[Justice4all]

<strong>Crippler</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'm no mod or anything, but I think Justice deserves a vacation for aiding &amp; abetting a temporarily banned board member in circumventing his banishment by posting his thoughts for him.</p><p>Do I hear a second?</p><p>Who can hear a damn thing with that obnoxious snoring you do all night?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Hiyoooooooooo</p>

[Crippler]

<p>No, no, no!&nbsp; Listen there, Tommy Two-weeks-late, you should only be allowed one sorry-ass comeback per&nbsp;message board quote.&nbsp; And you wasted yours with that&nbsp;friends/enemas line no one's ever heard before.</p><p>I call shenanigans &amp; again ask for a two week vacation for Justice4All.&nbsp; Anyone?</p>

[Justice4all]

<p>You might want to re-consider that request. If I am not allowed on the board I will be bothering YOU more and more when we are at home. But while my attention is being put elsewhere....I don't talk to you as much.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I would say that is a win/win situation for you...is it not? <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Crippler]

<p>You might want to re-consider that request. If I am not allowed on the board I will be bothering YOU more and more when we are at home. But while my attention is being put elsewhere....I don't talk to you as much.</p><p>Well, who am I to argue with logic.&nbsp; And since we are pals &amp; all, might I suggest:</p><p><a href="http://www.devilsrule.com/forums/"><font color="#800080">http://www.devilsrule.com/forums/</font></a></p><p><a href="http://www.iconofan.com/Artists/s/sting/af.html">http://www.iconofan.com/Artists/s/sting/af.html</a></p><p><a href="http://www.forums.mlb.com/ml-yankees">http://www.forums.mlb.com/ml-yankees</a></p><p><a href="http://boards.giants.com/forums/">http://boards.giants.com/forums/</a></p><p><a href="http://www.opieanthony.net/">http://www.opieanthony.net/</a></p><p><a href="http://opieandanthony.meetup.com/boards/">http://opieandanthony.meetup.com/boards/</a></p><p><a href="http://www.wowfans.com/board/">http://www.wowfans.com/board/</a></p><p><a href="http://www.wackbag.com/">http://www.wackbag.com/</a></p><p>...I think you'll find that &quot;Justice4All&quot; &amp; &quot;ParkwayJesus&quot; are available screennames on each of them!</p>

[Justice4all]

<p>I'd thought you would see it my way!<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" border="0" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Now...back on the topic at hand...let's to Troy Glaus...I need some more HR's from you big guy!</p>

[spoon]

What have you two done to my thread!!!???&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/ohmy.gif" border="0" />

[mdr55]

They're just moeing it up!<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/rolleyes.gif" /><br />

[Crippler]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br />What have you two done to my thread!!!???&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/ohmy.gif" border="0" /> <p>Aggravating, isn't it?&nbsp; Welcome to what it felt like in the Yanks '05 thread.</p><p>Let's get back on track...J.P. Ricciardi beats his wife!</p><p><font size="1">mdr55 wrote:</font></p><p><font size="1">They're just moeing it up!</font><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/rolleyes.gif" border="0" /></p><p><img height="160" src="http://myspace-551.vo.llnwd.net/00339/15/52/339482551_m.jpg" width="124" border="0" /></p><p>[ClubSodaKennyVoice]and he's soooo&nbsp;handsome!![ClubSodaKennyVoice]</p>

[marcymark]

GOT YOUR ASS SPANKS 17-6&nbsp; SUCK THIS<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/devil2.gif" border="0" />

[cougarjake13]

and while it was an impressive win its only one game out of 162 so enjoy it for one day today the blue jays could go out and return the favor

[spoon]

<p>No it wasn't impressive at all.&nbsp; The Jays were out of that game real early and decided to use all the kids in different spots and for the first time for some.&nbsp; Obviously they didn't respond but who the fuck cares in that spot.&nbsp; Still, the Yank pitching still gave up a ton of runs to the lesser Jays and seem to have a great hitter in games like that....Arod anyone.&nbsp; One game stupid and this race will be a long one.&nbsp; </p><p>Key series updates:</p><p>Yanks 3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jays 2</p><p>Jays 5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sox 2</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The sox series should get tighter due to the fact &quot;the walking loss&quot; is up in the Jay's rotation.&nbsp; Josh Towers, 0-5 with a 10.0+ era come to the mound against Clement.&nbsp; I hope the Jays have 15 in the bats today!&nbsp; If not, they're gonna get toasted.&nbsp; Let go AJ, what the fuck!&nbsp; Perhaps we can trade Towers to the Mets for Zambrano?&nbsp; </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp; Perhaps we can trade Towers to the Mets for Zambrano?&nbsp; </p><p>i'd take the fucking jays ballboy in a trade for zambrano just to get rid of him</p>

[spoon]

<p>You sure?&nbsp; Read this mess!!!</p><p><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="276" border="0"><tr align="center"><td align="left" width="130"><strong>Toronto</strong></td><td width="7%"><strong>IP</strong></td><td width="7%"><strong>H</strong></td><td width="7%"><strong>R</strong></td><td width="7%"><strong>ER</strong></td><td width="7%"><strong>BB</strong></td><td width="7%"><strong>SO</strong></td><td width="7%"><strong>HR</strong></td><td align="right" width="10%"><strong>ERA</strong></td></tr><tr align="center"><td align="left"><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/mlb_individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=346869" target="player">Towers</a> (L, 0-6)</td><td>5.2</td><td>11</td><td>7</td><td>7</td><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td align="right">10.59</td></tr></table></p><p>&nbsp;</p>Josh Towers was hoping that May meant a fresh start. Instead, it was more of the same. <p>&nbsp;</p><p>The same issues that plagued Toronto's struggling starter during a winless April were at the root of his problems during Thursday's 7-4 loss to Boston at Fenway Park. Most of Towers' woes have stemmed from hefty piles of runs being spotted in the opening innings, and that unfortunate trend persisted against the Red Sox in the first frame. </p><p>Towers gave up five runs before the first three outs were recorded and then allowed a two-run home run in the sixth inning that dug a hole too deep for the Blue Jays' offense to overcome. Toronto is hoping Towers will be able to overcome the hole he has created for himself. </p><p>&quot;He's about as low as he can go right now. He's got to go up,&quot; Toronto manager John Gibbons said. &quot;You feel for him. You love everything about the way the guy goes about his business. He's just in a rut.&quot; </p><p>The current slump has been prolonged mainly due to the early runs teams are scoring against Towers. In his last five outings, Towers has given up 25 runs over 21 2/3 innings. Of those runs, 22 have come in the first or second inning. On Thursday, Boston used four hits in the opening frame to put up the early five-spot. </p><p>Towers (0-6) doesn't have an explanation for why teams have been so successful against him at the start of his outings. Asked if he thought about altering his between-game routine, an obviously frustrated Towers admitted that he's running out of ideas on what else he could possibly try. </p><p>&quot;We've tried to do everything, if you want to know the truth,&quot; Towers said. &quot;We've worked on a shortened delivery, trying to get the hand up, trying to get depth on the ball, mixing up the different sequences -- we've tried a little bit of everything. Maybe we just have to forget about it and go back to basics.&quot; </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>You sure?&nbsp; Read this mess!!!</p><p>yeh thats why i said i would take the ballboy because both guys suck</p>

[DirtyJersey]

Ok granted, The Yanks haven't won in a while, but The Blue Jays? Stop it, really.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>DirtyJersey</strong> wrote:<br />Ok granted, The Yanks haven't won in a while, but The Blue Jays? Stop it, really. <p>in the last fifteen years there's only been 3 teams to win multiple championships, the YANKEES, MARLINS, and, BLUE JAYS so they got that going for them which is nice</p>

[DirtyJersey]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>DirtyJersey</strong> wrote:<br />Ok granted, The Yanks haven't won in a while, but The Blue Jays? Stop it, really. <p>in the last fifteen years there's only been 3 teams to win multiple championships, the YANKEES, MARLINS, and, BLUE JAYS so they got that going for them which is nice</p><p>Good point, I guess I'm just waiting for the Yankee hatred to die down a little since we haven't won in 5 years. I guess thats a pipe dream.</p>

[narc]

I hate the Blue Jays like everyone else hates the Yankees. As Norton would say, I wish AIDS upon them, now and forever. Go Yankees.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>DirtyJersey</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>DirtyJersey</strong> wrote:<br />Ok granted, The Yanks haven't won in a while, but The Blue Jays? Stop it, really. <p>in the last fifteen years there's only been 3 teams to win multiple championships, the YANKEES, MARLINS, and, BLUE JAYS so they got that going for them which is nice</p><p>Good point, I guess I'm just waiting for the Yankee hatred to die down a little since we haven't won in 5 years. I guess thats a pipe dream.</p><p>the yankees could go on a cubs like drought and still be as hated as much as they are now, sorry mojo but since both sox teams ended their futility only the cubs remain</p>

[spoon]

And I've hated the yanks since I became a baseball fan and played little league.&nbsp; Even at that age, fans/kids acted as if they themselves won 20+ championships and were winners because they liked them.&nbsp; Even though most of them couldn't even tell you the Yanks starting rotation in any given year.&nbsp;

[cougarjake13]

<p>the worst thing i have ever seen was and still is when i used to bowl a lot back in the early 90's how a lot of people were wearing mets hats, jerseys, etc. </p><p>then when the yanks began their run in 1996 these same people all started wearing yankees stuff and proclaimed i have always been a yankee fan, fucking posers !!!!&nbsp;</p>

[MHasegawa]

Toronto was up 6-0 at the 2nd, it's the 4th now and the A's are up 7-6, BOH!<br />

[MHasegawa]

damn, now 8-7 blue jays<br />

[spoon]

<p>Way to give it the old East Side Dave Jinx Manny!!!</p><p>Jays win.</p>

[Justice4all]

<p>Thank you Mr. Glaus. He makes me look like I know what&nbsp;I am doing when I pick my 3rd baseman for Fantasy league!</p><p>*whew* 2 homers last night. And he was quoted as saying he was &quot;having fun&quot; while playing for Toronto.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Enjoy Troy!!</p>

[spoon]

What, now the Rays own us?&nbsp; What the fuck man?&nbsp; Go back to beating up the spanks.

[spoon]

<p>Bring on your lefties bitches!!!&nbsp; Now if we could only make a yanke-esque fan trade of Towers for Willis and the Jays would be set.&nbsp; Fucking yank fans are hilarious.&nbsp; Perhaps the Jays could really trade Towers for Mitch Williams.&nbsp; They have the same value as of this moment.&nbsp;</p><p>Now read&nbsp;this:&nbsp;</p><p>Toronto currently has five of the American League's top-10 batters versus southpaws. </p><p>Entering Saturday's game, Troy Glaus led the league with a .516 average against lefties. Vernon Wells (.515) ranked second, Frank Catalanotto (.500) was third, Shea Hillenbrand (.429) ranked eighth, and Alex Rios (.405) was in ninth place. </p><p>Collectively, the Blue Jays were hitting .368 against southpaws. </p>

[spoon]

<p>Josh Towers gets a win and look what happens!!&nbsp; The Jays are now tied in the win column with the&nbsp;spanks and sox.&nbsp; It's a start, now let's get AJ back. </p><p>JT 1-7 start!</p>

[cougarjake13]

hey spoon you still wanna trade towers ?? we got a zambrano on the cheap hell we'll trade him for a case of beer, the mets could have used him today

[spoon]

<p>Yes, yes, yes and yes.&nbsp; </p><p>How about Towers and a Joe Carter autograph for Jose Reyes' family to help clean the Roger's Center over the weekends and Matsui dry cleans our uniforms?&nbsp; Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<p>but we'd still have zambrano, why dont you take him as well and then you can throw him over the falls in wood barrell and all of baseball will win</p>

[cougarjake13]

hey spoon your jays just signed edguardo alfonso to a minor league deal, maybe they can move him back to 2nd to solve your 2nd base problem

[spoon]

<p>What 2nd base problem?&nbsp; Hill is a very good defensive two-bagger even though it's the first year of his whole career playing the position.&nbsp; He's a natural hitter with a short compact swing and his numbers there don't worry me or his manager bc it will definitely turn around.&nbsp; In fact, he's up 50 pts since we last discussed this in the other thread with Hbox.&nbsp; Here's where he's at now:</p><p><table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" width="573" border="0"><tr class="textSm" align="center"><td width="35"><strong>G</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>AB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>R</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>H</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>2B</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>3B</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>HR</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>RBI</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>TB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>BB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>SO</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>SB</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>CS</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>OBP</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>SLG</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>AVG</strong></td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td align="center">2006</td><td>43</td><td>150</td><td>17</td><td>36</td><td>9</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>11</td><td>50</td><td>7</td><td>11</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>.278</td><td>.333</td><td>.240</td></tr></table></p><p>So you can clearly see he's been on fire of late.&nbsp; In fact, he's hitting close to .500 in his last ten games.&nbsp; So a big F you to H cox.&nbsp; Told you!</p>

[spoon]

<p>By the way, our &quot;problem&quot; is just like every other team's, keeping their starters on the fucking mound.&nbsp; Unhealthy bastards! </p><p>That and SS.&nbsp; Adams couldn't hit the broad side of a donkey's ass with a fucking banjo!&nbsp; (please no Bobo banjo pics)&nbsp; Of his 10 errors, 9 are throwing!&nbsp; Russ &quot;Knoblach&quot; Adams is how he's listed on MLB.com.&nbsp; Seriously, go look for yourself!</p>

[cougarjake13]

<p>sorry i thought you were talking about 2nd but it was ss </p><p>gotta go check out the russ adams page</p>

[spoon]

<p>Hilly just smashed one down the line to win it in extras against the White Sox!&nbsp; </p><p>Nice!&nbsp; </p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2462599" target="_self" title="Blue Jays transfer Burnett from 15- to 60-day DL">Blue Jays transfer Burnett from 15- to 60-day DL</a></h1>

[spoon]

<p>That was a given BDC.&nbsp; Arnsberg and Gibby basically laid out the plan to get him a start or two before the all-star break and not rush his return this time.&nbsp; They stressed the need to have him in the rotation for July/August/September/October and years 2-5 of his contract.&nbsp; Sure it sucks to wait right now, but issues come up all the time and Gibby made some great points in that they will get some time to see the younger guys, even if they'd rather have AJ at 100%.&nbsp; It does help get the kids some early exposure to the big leagues in case they need to be recalled in the later, more pressure filled late summer months.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; They basically never listed a day for his return until recently, but knew all along it'd be right about June 20th.&nbsp; The Jays have stayed in the race pretty well with two major starters being out of late.&nbsp; Fortunately, they just got Chacin back and he got the win in his first start back in the rotation.&nbsp; Now the rotation goes Halladay, Chacin, Lilly, Janssen, (Taubenheim/Downs/Rosario).&nbsp; As you can see, Burnett coming back sure will help them out as the fifth starter has been a terrible weak spot.&nbsp; Towers went 1-8 in the four spot, while Janssen took it over and has won 3 of his last 4.&nbsp; Time will tell, but to stay with the big boys the Jays need to pitch better.&nbsp; Their bats have been saving thier asses so far.&nbsp; </p>

[spoon]

<p>Hill Update for Boxy:</p><p><table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" width="573" border="0"><tr class="textSm" align="center"><td width="34">&nbsp;</td><td width="35"><strong>G</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>AB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>R</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>H</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>2B</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>3B</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>HR</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>RBI</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>TB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>BB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>SO</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>SB</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>CS</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>OBP</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>SLG</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>AVG</strong></td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td align="center">2006</td><td>49</td><td>170</td><td>19</td><td>45</td><td>11</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>15</td><td>63</td><td>8</td><td>13</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>.303</td><td>.371</td><td>.265</td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td>Career</td><td>154</td><td>531</td><td>68</td><td>144</td><td>36</td><td>5</td><td>4</td><td>55</td><td>202</td><td>42</td><td>54</td><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>.329</td><td>.380</td><td>.271</td></tr></table></p><p>Up another 25 points fuckface <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/laugh.gif" border="0" />!&nbsp; He's not only up nearly 100 points in the last two weeks, but he's also moved positions again to help out the Blue Jay's defense at SS.&nbsp; Oh and look at how badly Cano has hit himself of late since he lost all his protection in the lineup and sees less pitches to hit.&nbsp; Cano is hitting .209 in the last ten vs. Hill at .438.&nbsp;&nbsp;So as we speak, Cano is down to a .293 batting average, only 28 points higher than Hill.&nbsp; On May 10th Cano was hitting .330 vs Hill's .187 which put him up 143 points.&nbsp; Now less than a month later it at 28 points and Cano is proving my point not being able to hit without all the protection.&nbsp; As soon as Matsui/Shef and the others have some issues and he has to step up, he hits .209.&nbsp; Yah, trade for him and get what you deserve.&nbsp; All-star my ass.&nbsp; I'd take Loretta, Grudzi, Castillo&nbsp;or&nbsp;Roberts with broken legs over Cano.&nbsp; This year's all-star voting seems to be the worst of all time and that's saying something.&nbsp; </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by spoon on 6-1-06 @ 3:08 AM</span>

[Bulldogcakes]

The Yanks have had a zillion injuries, and are tied for 1st. The Jays have had some key ones, and are only 3 out in the loss. I wouldn't worry about it much in either case. <br />

[spoon]

Let's also realize that the Sox have lost Crisp, Timlin and a few pitchers as well.&nbsp; Hell, Loretta and Lowell are banged up right now too.&nbsp; For all the injuries the AL East has had, it sure as hell is staying strong.&nbsp; Yet the wild card may be at risk with these teams beating the piss out of each other and all the injuries.&nbsp; Sure everyone is a healthy number of wins over .500, but Chi and Det get to play a lot of pushovers.&nbsp; The Jays almost swept the WS champs, and it looks like Detroit can't handle teams over .500 themselves and are in danger of being swept in a four game series for the first time since the 1920's.&nbsp; Perhaps they were better off OUT of the spotlight because they sure as hell didn't step up against a banged up Yankee team.&nbsp;

[zildjian361]

Jump on the Bandwagon you angry little tool.

[spoon]

<p>AHhh hahahahahahahahaha!&nbsp; No really, you're one funny fuck!&nbsp; </p><p><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http

[spoon]

<p><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" />Seriously, funny.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by spoon on 6-2-06 @ 1:39 AM</span>

[spoon]

<p>Key series updates:</p><p>Yanks 3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Jays 2</p><p>Jays&nbsp;7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sox 4</p>

[Marc with a c]

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[spoon]

<p>There's been a little shuffle of the AL East, yet my boys still sit in third.&nbsp; The shark is in the salsa ladies, salsa shark!&nbsp; </p>

[cougarjake13]

<p>i would absolutely love it if some how the jays can overtake the sawx and yanks by years end and neither of them make the playoffs, when was the last time that happened, the 80's maybe ???</p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[spoon]

<p>Come on CJ, they only won the world fucking series back to back during the 92/93 MLB seasons.&nbsp; </p><p>And I've been listening to Michael Kay on ESPN and he's making me sick.&nbsp; He's acting&nbsp;as if&nbsp;all the fans of MLB, not just the big markets like the Yanks cry for big name replacements whenever someone gets injured and the no names play bad at first.&nbsp; Too bad it's almost only Yankee fans who act this way (see Bulldogcake's posting) as most other teams don't have the option and seldom have.&nbsp; As soon as something doesn't work or there is an injury, even if they already spent 200 mil they usually cover it up with more money.&nbsp; And this has been going on for over a decade now.&nbsp; Kay is trying to act as if he was always a believer in Melky and the rest of kids filling in so far and it's sooo far from the truth it's not even funny.&nbsp; I've heard his show many times go off on tangents of what/who they need to go out and get as these kids just can't be the answer.&nbsp; Now they hit and just&nbsp;like most Yankee fans, he was big on them since day one.&nbsp; Let's see what he says in a few days when they start to suck again.&nbsp; It's gonna happen too.&nbsp; Then let the Abreu, Soriano, Zito&nbsp;rumors fly!&nbsp; Cashman, in his defense, has stated the team does need a better mix, but Georgie won't tolerate someone as they develop when he can have an all-star team as per MLB rules.</p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p>Do when the fuck are we gonna get Barry Zito? He's on a roll lately! Bad enough we lost Clemens.<br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Oooops! Sorry wrong thread. &nbsp;</p>

[spoon]

Possible chance for a second place tie if the yanks take out the sox again Thursday.&nbsp; Not to mention the Tigers and White Sox aren't that far off for the wild card race now too.&nbsp; Sure it's only June, but it's only getting&nbsp;tighter baby.&nbsp;

[cougarjake13]

<img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />Chacin is going back to the DL, this is certainly not going to help dethrone the yanks and sawx

[Bama]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><p>i would absolutely love it if some how the jays can overtake the sawx and yanks by years end and neither of them make the playoffs, when was the last time that happened, the 80's maybe ???</p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p><p>Didn't they do it in the early 90's when they won the two world series? They didn't have a wildcard back then did they?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Too long ago, I can't remember. </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bama</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><p>i would absolutely love it if some how the jays can overtake the sawx and yanks by years end and neither of them make the playoffs, when was the last time that happened, the 80's maybe ???</p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p><p>Didn't they do it in the early 90's when they won the two world series? They didn't have a wildcard back then did they?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Too long ago, I can't remember. </p><p>yeh the won back to back in 92-93 and there was no wild card until after the strike, they created the wild card to draw fans back in</p><p>so yeh the 2 years the jays won the world series would have been the last time</p>

[spoon]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />Chacin is going back to the DL, this is certainly not going to help dethrone the yanks and sawx <p>Man you're not kidding.&nbsp; With Chacin on the mend for a month or so, Burnett not back for two weeks, Lilly giving up homers at a scary rate (last outing he gave up three hits, in 8 2/3 innings but 5 runs) and Tabenheim (who? exactly) sucking it up the Jays are in some kind of pitching trouble.&nbsp; Right now the only three good things going are Halladay, Janssen and Ryan.&nbsp; Outside of that, they even have some injuries in the pen (Walker) and of course some issues keeping runs off the board.&nbsp; The pen is beyond fucking tired, even though they can't hold a lead when rested.&nbsp; They need some pitching bad and I wouldn't rule out some sort of trade in the near future for a starter like the Mets made.&nbsp; Nothing blockbuster level, but something soon.&nbsp; If not, welcome back Towers and his 1-8 record along with pulling one of our only good pen pitchers to start in Scott Downs.&nbsp; Is there a team in the AL East that doesn't have major pitching woes though?&nbsp; </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br />&nbsp; Is there a team in the AL East that doesn't have major pitching woes though?&nbsp; <p>well that depends on whether or not you consider the d-rays a part of the al east</p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by cougarjake13 on 6-11-06 @ 7:07 PM</span>

[spoon]

<p>Some updates that at least give the Jay fans some reason to feel better.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><strong>In short:</strong> When third baseman Troy Glaus started at shortstop on May 26, Gibbons said the move was a &quot;one-night deal.&quot; On Monday, Toronto's manager said that deal could be off. With more Interleague games around the corner, Glaus may have some more starts at short in his future. </p><p>In order to keep more offense in the lineup, Gibbons is considering playing Glaus at the position a few times and having Shea Hillenbrand -- who typically serves as the designated hitter, which isn't permitted in National League parks -- start at third base. </p><p>In this scenario, Gibbons said that Adams, who hits from the left side, would start at second when a right-hander was on the mound and Hill, who hits right-handed, would play second when a lefty was pitching. </p><p><strong>Burnett update:</strong> On Monday, right-hander A.J. Burnett, who is currently on the 60-day disabled list, threw for the first time in a game since reinjuring his right elbow on April 21. Burnett made a rehab start with Triple-A Syracuse and allowed no hits and no runs in five innings. He threw 67 pitches, including 40 for strikes, and struck out seven and walked one. </p><p><strong>Downs to start:</strong> For the last two days, Gibbons has named right-hander Josh Towers as Toronto's probable starter for Wednesday's game against the Orioles. After Monday's loss to Baltimore, though, Gibbons said that reliever Scott Downs will take the mound as a starter once again. </p><p>Downs is 1-0 with a 5.40 ERA this year, but has two no-decisions.</p>

[Crippler]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>In order to keep more offense in the lineup, Gibbons is considering playing <strong>Glaus at the position (short stop) a few times and having Shea Hillenbrand</strong> -- who typically serves as the designated hitter, which isn't permitted in National League parks -- <strong>start at third base</strong>. </p><p>Wow...how weird must that look?&nbsp; You'll have a guy who stands 6-foot, 200lbs. playing 3rd while the shortstop is 6'5&quot; and 250!&nbsp; I believe that would make Troy Glaus the largest SS in MLB history (not to mention the most sought after fantasy SS since Alex Rodriguez if he plays enough games to qualify next year).</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Crippler on 6-13-06 @ 4:08 PM</span>

[spoon]

Sure he's a good fielder with great offensive power and production numbers.&nbsp; However, he has the range of a late stage polio patient.&nbsp; You know what I'm talking about Crip!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

[Crippler]

Yes, but does he have the all-important &quot;credit card&quot; vertical leap?

[cougarjake13]

<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>Crippler</strong> wrote:<br><strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>In order to keep more offense in the lineup, Gibbons is considering playing <strong>Glaus at the position (short stop) a few times and having Shea Hillenbrand</strong> -- who typically serves as the designated hitter, which isn't permitted in National League parks -- <strong>start at third base</strong>. </p><p>Wow...how weird must that look?ÿ You'll have a guy who stands 6-foot, 200lbs. playing 3rd while the shortstop is 6'5" and 250!ÿ I believe that would make Troy Glaus the largest SS in MLB history (not to mention the most sought after fantasy SS since Alex Rodriguez if he plays enough games to qualify next year).</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Crippler on 6-13-06 @ 4:08 PM</span><hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>

[spoon]

<strong>Crippler</strong> wrote:<br />Yes, but does he have the all-important &quot;credit card&quot; vertical leap? <p>Would that be a gold card?</p>

[spoon]

<table class="dataTable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"><tr>Team&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PCT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GB</tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>NY Yankees</td><td>37</td><td>26</td><td>.587</td><td>-</td></tr><tr class="trB" valign="top"><td>Boston</td><td>36</td><td>27</td><td>.571</td><td>1.0</td></tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>Toronto</td><td>36</td><td>29</td><td>.554</td><td>2.0</td></tr></table><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Can it be any closer right now?&nbsp; All three teams are dealing with some big injuries, yet some guys are set to come back soon.&nbsp; Who will make a big FA move?&nbsp; Who will depend on the youth and stay put?&nbsp; I think all three teams will attempt to acquire pitching, but the price will be high with the demand so big.&nbsp; Should be a very interesting summer and finish in the fall.&nbsp; The Detroit/ChiSox race might make the AL pennant the only playoff ticket to come out of the East, but does anyone really believe in the Tigers?&nbsp; I'm not sold yet, but most people aren't on my Jays yet either.&nbsp; </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by spoon on 6-15-06 @ 12:44 AM</span>

[cougarjake13]

<p>problem is will the jays and tigers spend whats needed to help their playoff run or will the yanks and sawx just outspend everybody as usual&nbsp;???</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[RingWraith]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><table class="dataTable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"><tr>Team&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PCT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GB</tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>NY Yankees</td><td>37</td><td>26</td><td>.587</td><td>-</td></tr><tr class="trB" valign="top"><td>Boston</td><td>36</td><td>27</td><td>.571</td><td>1.0</td></tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>Toronto</td><td>36</td><td>29</td><td>.554</td><td>2.0</td></tr></table><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Can it be any closer right now?&nbsp; All three teams are dealing with some big injuries, yet some guys are set to come back soon.&nbsp; Who will make a big FA move?&nbsp; Who will depend on the youth and stay put?&nbsp; I think all three teams will attempt to acquire pitching, but the price will be high with the demand so big.&nbsp; Should be a very interesting summer and finish in the fall.&nbsp; The Detroit/ChiSox race might make the AL pennant the only playoff ticket to come out of the East, but does anyone really believe in the Tigers?&nbsp; I'm not sold yet, but most people aren't on my Jays yet either.&nbsp; </p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by spoon on 6-15-06 @ 12:44 AM</span> <p>I agree with you, I'm not sold on the Tigers either.&nbsp; It's like they're an up-and-coming team trying to &quot;get a push&quot;, but still do the job to the main eventers.</p><p>As a Yankee fan, I'd look at your Blue Jays as a more serious up-and-coming contender since they handled the Red Sox pretty well so far this year.</p><p>But it's funny that most of the media outlets is not acknowledging enough of the Blue Jays place in the race, so it feels like nobody is paying enough attention and they're sneaking up in the division. I always noticed them.</p><p>It definetely gonna be a &quot;three-way-dance&quot; all the until September.</p>

[spoon]

<strong>RingWraith</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><table class="dataTable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"><tr>Team&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PCT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GB</tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>NY Yankees</td><td>37</td><td>26</td><td>.587</td><td>-</td></tr><tr class="trB" valign="top"><td>Boston</td><td>36</td><td>27</td><td>.571</td><td>1.0</td></tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>Toronto</td><td>36</td><td>29</td><td>.554</td><td>2.0</td></tr></table><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Can it be any closer right now?&nbsp; All three teams are dealing with some big injuries, yet some guys are set to come back soon.&nbsp; Who will make a big FA move?&nbsp; Who will depend on the youth and stay put?&nbsp; I think all three teams will attempt to acquire pitching, but the price will be high with the demand so big.&nbsp; Should be a very interesting summer and finish in the fall.&nbsp; The Detroit/ChiSox race might make the AL pennant the only playoff ticket to come out of the East, but does anyone really believe in the Tigers?&nbsp; I'm not sold yet, but most people aren't on my Jays yet either.&nbsp; </p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by spoon on 6-15-06 @ 12:44 AM</span> <p>I agree with you, I'm not sold on the Tigers either.&nbsp; It's like they're an up-and-coming team trying to &quot;get a push&quot;, but still do the job to the main eventers.</p><p>As a Yankee fan, I'd look at your Blue Jays as a more serious up-and-coming contender since they handled the Red Sox pretty well so far this year.</p><p>But it's funny that most of the media outlets is not acknowledging enough of the Blue Jays place in the race, so it feels like nobody is paying enough attention and they're sneaking up in the division. I always noticed them.</p><p>It definetely gonna be a &quot;three-way-dance&quot; all the until September.</p><table class="dataTable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"><tr><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Team</p>WLPCTGB</tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>Boston</td><td>50</td><td>29</td><td>.633</td><td>-</td></tr><tr class="trB" valign="top"><td>NY Yankees</td><td>46</td><td>33</td><td>.582</td><td>4.0</td></tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td><strong>Toronto</strong></td><td><strong>46</strong></td><td><strong>35</strong></td><td><strong>.568</strong></td><td><strong>5.0</strong></td></tr><tr class="trB" valign="top"><td>Baltimore</td><td>38</td><td>45</td><td>.458</td><td>14.0</td></tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>Tampa Bay</td><td>35</td><td>47</td><td>.427</td><td><p>16.5</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p></td></tr></table>If the Jays and yanks can't keep pace, this thing may go the way of the NL East.&nbsp; It's unbelievable that the Jays have played so well and still lost ground.&nbsp; The Sox are just red fucking hot and I hope the All-Star game break can cool them down bc it seems the Jays may be the only team that can beat them.&nbsp;

[cougarjake13]

<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br><strong>RingWraith</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><table class="dataTable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"><tr>Teamÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ WÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿLÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ PCTÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ GB</tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>NY Yankees</td><td>37</td><td>26</td><td>.587</td><td>-</td></tr><tr class="trB" valign="top"><td>Boston</td><td>36</td><td>27</td><td>.571</td><td>1.0</td></tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>Toronto</td><td>36</td><td>29</td><td>.554</td><td>2.0</td></tr></table><p>ÿ</p><p>Can it be any closer right now?ÿ All three teams are dealing with some big injuries, yet some guys are set to come back soon.ÿ Who will make a big FA move?ÿ Who will depend on the youth and stay put?ÿ I think all three teams will attempt to acquire pitching, but the price will be high with the demand so big.ÿ Should be a very interesting summer and finish in the fall.ÿ The Detroit/ChiSox race might make the AL pennant the only playoff ticket to come out of the East, but does anyone really believe in the Tigers?ÿ I'm not sold yet, but most people aren't on my Jays yet either.ÿ </p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by spoon on 6-15-06 @ 12:44 AM</span> <p>I agree with you, I'm not sold on the Tigers either.ÿ It's like they're an up-and-coming team trying to "get a push", but still do the job to the main eventers.</p><p>As a Yankee fan, I'd look at your Blue Jays as a more serious up-and-coming contender since they handled the Red Sox pretty well so far this year.</p><p>But it's funny that most of the media outlets is not acknowledging enough of the Blue Jays place in the race, so it feels like nobody is paying enough attention and they're sneaking up in the division. I always noticed them.</p><p>It definetely gonna be a "three-way-dance" all the until September.</p><table class="dataTable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"><tr><p>ÿ</p><p>ÿ</p><p>Team</p>WLPCTGB</tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>Boston</td><td>50</td><td>29</td><td>.633</td><td>-</td></tr><tr class="trB" valign="top"><td>NY Yankees</td><td>46</td><td>33</td><td>.582</td><td>4.0</td></tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td><strong>Toronto</strong></td><td><strong>46</strong></td><td><strong>35</strong></td><td><strong>.568</strong></td><td><strong>5.0</strong></td></tr><tr class="trB" valign="top"><td>Baltimore</td><td>38</td><td>45</td><td>.458</td><td>14.0</td></tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td>Tampa Bay</td><td>35</td><td>47</td><td>.427</td><td><p>16.5</p><p>ÿ</p><p>ÿ</p></td></tr></table>If the Jays and yanks can't keep pace, this thing may go the way of the NL East.ÿ It's unbelievable that the Jays have played so well and still lost ground.ÿ The Sox are just red fucking hot and I hope the All-Star game break can cool them down bc it seems the Jays may be the only team that can beat them.ÿ <hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br />If the Jays and yanks can't keep pace, this thing may go the way of the NL East.&nbsp; It's unbelievable that the Jays have played so well and still lost ground.&nbsp; The Sox are just red fucking hot and I hope the All-Star game break can cool them down bc it seems the Jays may be the only team that can beat them.&nbsp; <p>&nbsp;</p><p>yeh it was the same for the twins, espn had it on the other night that they were like 14-3 but the sox were 15-2, and the tigers 16-1 over the same stretch</p><p>and like you said the jays will get healthier sooner then the yanks unless they sell the farm,literally, to get half season help</p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[spoon]

<p>Yah, the Twins have been on fire and are still 11 fucking games back in the Central!&nbsp; As it stands now, the wildcard race isn't one yet.</p><p><table class="dataTable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3" width="100%" border="0"><tr class="dataTitleRow"><td>Team</td><td>W</td><td>L</td><td>PCT</td><td>GB</td><td>E#</td><td>L10</td><td>STRK</td><td>LAST GAME</td><td>NEXT GAME</td></tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td><a title="Go to the Chicago site" href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=cws">Chicago</a></td><td>57</td><td>31</td><td>.648</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>6-4</td><td>W1</td><td><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1548358&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb">7/9 v BOS, W 6-5</a></td><td>7/14 @ NYY, 7:05P</td></tr><tr class="trB" valign="top"><td><a title="Go to the New York site" href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=nyy">New York</a></td><td>50</td><td>36</td><td>.581</td><td>6.0</td><td>70</td><td>6-4</td><td>L1</td><td><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1548420&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb">7/9 @ TB, L 5-6</a></td><td>7/14 v CWS, 7:05P</td></tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td><a title="Go to the Toronto site" href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=tor">Toronto</a></td><td>49</td><td>39</td><td>.557</td><td>8.0</td><td>67</td><td>5-5</td><td>W2</td><td><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1548877&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb">7/9 @ KC, W 11-3</a></td><td>7/14 v SEA, 7:07P</td></tr><tr class="trB" valign="top"><td><a title="Go to the Minnesota site" href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=min">Minnesota</a></td><td>47</td><td>39</td><td>.547</td><td>9.0</td><td>67</td><td>6-4</td><td>L1</td><td><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1548325&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb">7/9 @ TEX, L 2-5</a></td><td>7/13 v CLE, 8:10P</td></tr><tr class="trA" valign="top"><td><a title="Go to the Oakland site" href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=oak">Oakland</a></td><td>45</td><td>43</td><td>.511</td><td>12.0</td><td>63</td><td>3-7</td><td>L3</td><td><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1549080&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb">7/9 v LAA, L 2-4</a></td><td>7/13 @ BOS, 7:05P</td></tr><tr class="trB" valign="top"><td><a title="Go to the Texas site" href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=tex">Texas</a></td><td>45</td><td>43</td><td>.511</td><td>12.0</td><td>63</td><td>5-5</td><td>W1</td></tr></table></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Even the spanks are 6 off&nbsp;the pace.&nbsp; Believe it or not, the Jays and Yanks are more off in the wildcard race than their race for the all important AL East pennant.&nbsp; As it stands now, only one team will come out of both East Divisions this year.&nbsp; Yet the AL East has a shot at making this a race.&nbsp; I don't foresee Oakland or Texas adding the West to the WC picture at all.</p>

[spoon]

<p>A look at the white sox schedule after the all-star game looks hellish, which may lead to some ground being made up for the pack.&nbsp; Also, the Jays have some tough opponents, but start the post all-star game schedule with 10 straight at home.&nbsp; Could be the chance to make their move??&nbsp; Chaucin should be back at the end of July, start of August.&nbsp; Rios hopefully in a&nbsp;week or so&nbsp;as well.&nbsp; </p>

[spoon]

<p>Oh yah and.....</p><p><a href="http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1548839&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor">http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20060709&amp;content_id=1548839&amp; vkey=recap&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=tor</a></p><p>Aaron Hill</p><p><table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" width="573" border="0"><tr class="textSm" align="center"><td width="34">&nbsp;</td><td width="35"><strong>G</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>AB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>R</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>H</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>2B</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>3B</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>HR</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>RBI</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>TB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>BB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>SO</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>SB</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>CS</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>OBP</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>SLG</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>AVG</strong></td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td align="center">2006</td><td>84</td><td>290</td><td>37</td><td>86</td><td>15</td><td>3</td><td>2</td><td>28</td><td>113</td><td>18</td><td>31</td><td>3</td><td>1</td><td>.344</td><td>.390</td><td>.297</td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td>Career</td><td>189</td><td>651</td><td>86</td><td>185</td><td>40</td><td>6</td><td>5</td><td>68</td><td>252</td><td>52</td><td>72</td><td>5</td><td>2</td><td>.343</td><td>.387</td><td>.284</td></tr></table></p><p>All-star Mark Loretta</p><p><table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" width="573" border="0"><tr class="textSm" align="center"><td width="34">&nbsp;</td><td width="35"><strong>G</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>AB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>R</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>H</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>2B</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>3B</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>HR</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>RBI</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>TB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>BB</strong></td><td width="35"><strong>SO</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>SB</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>CS</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>OBP</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>SLG</strong></td><td width="30"><strong>AVG</strong></td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td align="center">2006</td><td>83</td><td>351</td><td>44</td><td>107</td><td>19</td><td>0</td><td>3</td><td>37</td><td>135</td><td>22</td><td>33</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>.353</td><td>.385</td><td>.305</td></tr></table></p><p>Obviously he's filled in a lot at short of late with Russ Adams having his fielding troubles, but Hilly has made some amazing strides after slumping at the plate earlier in the season as documented here by mr. box.</p>

[HBox]

<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13877441/" target="_blank">You filthy fuckers. What the hell were you doing, flinging shit in your clubhouse?</a><br />

[spoon]

<p>Man that's some fucked up shit there!&nbsp; </p>

[spoon]

<p>Check this shit out!&nbsp; </p><p>Is this even possible?</p><p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2520914">http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2520914</a></p>

[cougarjake13]

<p>chacin may be returning soon</p><p><a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7463/news">http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7463/news</a></p><p><img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[HBox]

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2524415" target="_blank">Your team just got a little less deeper Spoon.</a><br />

[narc]

<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2524415" target="_blank">Your team just got a little less deeper Spoon.</a><br /><hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>

That's mean. Kicking Spoon while he's down. <br><p><p><p><p><p><p>
Blue Jays suck.

[TheGameHHH]

leave it up to my fantasy players to get kicked off of their teams, I shouldn't be allowed to manage fantasy teams.

[zildjian361]

[quote]<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>AHhh hahahahahahahahaha!&nbsp; No really, you're one funny fuck!&nbsp; </p><p><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins

[zildjian361]

<p>Youre alright after all<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" /></p>

[stickyfingers]

<p>I feel the need to take this on in my friend's absence.&nbsp; Great win tonight.&nbsp; Wells is a great player and he did it against one of the best closers of all time.&nbsp; They scored 4 off of the Moose when they were down 3-0 and could've just backed down like little girls, but no, they proved they are in this for the long haul.&nbsp; I will update the season series when this one is done.<br /><br />Good job boys.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<p>hillenbrand traded to the giants</p><p><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5806380">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5806380</a></p><p>cant say the jays got equal value in return but when you kick a guy off your team and everyone knows about it its gonna be hard for you to get equal value</p><p>season series update</p><p>blue jays 4 wins</p><p>spankees 3 wins</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>jays&nbsp; 7 wins</p><p>sawx&nbsp;4 wins</p>

[narc]

Still no spoon around eh? Let's see if we can get him posting.<br><p>
I hear the Blue Jays not only suck cock, but they love it buried deep inside their assholes. In fact, the deeper the better. Just because they like feeling powerless before the cock, so much do they adore it.

[joeyballsack]

<p>Anyone been to a game at the Rogers Center ?</p><p>I am going next month and am wondering if there are affordable hotels nearby.</p>

[zildjian361]

ted lilly as usual cant pitch IN THE BRONX end of story.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" />

[narc]

SWEEP! You might as well lock this thread because the Jays season might as well be OVER.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>narc</strong> wrote:<br />SWEEP! You might as well lock this thread because the Jays season might as well be OVER. <p>they're only 8 1/2 games behind the yanks and still have 6 games against them, also have 8 games left against the sawx</p><p>so its far from over</p>

[narc]

You just keep telling yourself that Cougarjake. Then tell yourself that the national league team has a chance in the world series this year.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>narc</strong> wrote:<br />You just keep telling yourself that Cougarjake. Then tell yourself that the national league team has a chance in the world series this year. <p>all i was saying was that their season isnt over yet, there's still plenty of baseball left to played and no where did i say anything about an NL team winning the world series</p><p>i'd love it if the mets did win the series but i'm not so sure their pitching is enough to win it all</p>

[spoon]

<p>Wow, my team is eligible for the little league world series now right?</p><p>Looks like I'll be pulling for the White Sox, Twins, Red Sox grouping soon.&nbsp; At least they made it one month further this year.&nbsp; Seriously though, WTF!!!!</p><p>Gibby's job has to be up in the air right now.&nbsp; I've watched every game since I left the board and he's made some horrible moves of late.&nbsp; That Hilly thing had to hurt his power/confidence with the team and he's just not the same guy from before the all-star break.&nbsp; It also didn't help the front office did nothing at all to help an ailing rotation.&nbsp; In the al east , staying put almost never works.&nbsp; They rallied around Gibbons in the first series against the Yanks, but&nbsp;the shit truly hit the fan when they lost the last game against Oakland&nbsp;via a 3 run homer off Ryan in the fucking 9th!&nbsp;&nbsp;The win&nbsp;would have given them a road split and&nbsp;huge needed lift.&nbsp;&nbsp;What really pisses me off though is that the Yankees have a whole new&nbsp;batch of&nbsp;mistake/injury fillers,&nbsp;and the NL wild card race.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p>

[mdr55]

<p>I don't care about baseball</p><p><img width="267" height="178" border="0" src="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/munsifn/gosensgo.jpg" />&nbsp;</p><p>Howdy Welcome back!&nbsp;</p>

[spoon]

Ah the Senators.&nbsp; They're the regular season warriors of the NHL, like the Braves in MLB minus the one title!

[Bulldogcakes]

<p>When Hillenbrand wrote &quot;This ship is sinking&quot; on the clubhouse blackboard, he looked like a bad teamate. Now he looks like Nostradamus.<br /></p>

[spoon]

<p>Nah, he's just a douchbag who helps fuck teams up on the way out bc he didn't get his way.&nbsp; He's makes Arod look like a gold glove third baseman this year his fucking fielding is so bad.&nbsp; He's been an ass everywhere he goes.&nbsp; Sure he can hit, but cries when you use him as a DH.&nbsp; Fuck him!</p>

[spoon]

<p>As if Hunter being banged up along with Stewart and Liriano being out wasn't enough.&nbsp; Here's two more reasons the Twins run for the playoffs is over:</p><p>Shouldn't this guy be in NASCAR?</p><p><a href="http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425818">http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425818</a></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>This kid needs much more time to progress as he was just drafted in the first round last year (wasn't he #1 overall?).&nbsp; In the span of this year he's moved up four levels now and just hasn't had enough time to adjust to the level of hitter he'll face up here.&nbsp; So right now, this won't work as tonight proved.&nbsp; But teams like the Twins don't have many other options.&nbsp; I as a Jays fan have seen them use&nbsp;5 different rookies trying to fill rotation holes to much the same effect (Jannsen, Marcum, Rosario, McGowan*, Taubenheim).&nbsp; * denotes possibly considered 2nd year player.</p><p><a href="http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=490063">http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=490063</a></p>

[spoon]

Got to at least respect the way the Jays have come back and knocked the Twins down.&nbsp; Their pitching has been coming around of late, and Rios is just getting back in the groove with Chaucin only a week away.&nbsp; They'll need the sox (red and white) and the twins to hit troubled waters soon.&nbsp; Yet I truly think the Twins are&nbsp;almost done,&nbsp;even&nbsp;though they're ahead of Toronto as I type this.&nbsp; Just too many holes opening up in the field, on offense and in the rotation.&nbsp;&nbsp;

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by spoon on 8-13-06 @ 5:40 AM</span>

[A.J.]

Thanks Spoon: Sox deal for <a href="http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060817&content_id=1614359&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos" target="_self">Hinske</a>.

[HBox]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br />Thanks Spoon: Sox deal for <a target="_self" href="http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060817&content_id=1614359&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos">Hinske</a>.<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img border="0" src="http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2127/flagclipartwhitetd5.gif" />&nbsp;</p>

[spoon]

<p>&quot;Hinske has been named in numerous trade rumors over the last few seasons. The main reason for that has been the hefty contract that he signed with the Jays after winning the American League Rookie of the Year Award in 2002.&quot;</p><p>Toronto had a shitload of corner infielders and were looking to trade him and Hillenbrand for the whole season.&nbsp; They couldn't find a deal they liked until Hillenbrand blew up and then Rios came back to the outfield making the need for Hinske less again.&nbsp; They got a pretty young/strong throwing righty in Accardo for Hillenbrand, and we'll see with Hinske.&nbsp; The other issue here is that JP is freeing up money to use for this offseason's free agent market.&nbsp; With the bulk of Toronto's team under contract through at least 2007 (Catalanotto and Lilly being the biggest names entering free agency), the team just freed up another couple million for use in 2007.&nbsp; Hillenbrand, Schoeneweis, and Hinske would have cost them well over 12 million next year alone.&nbsp; Hopefully they'll get some cash and a young arm from the Sox but I doubt they'll get that much.</p>

[Justice4all]

<p>Toronto Fans....look familiar??</p><p><img height="574" src="http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/gifs/Pendleton_Sinking_Ship.jpg" width="855" border="0" /></p>

[Fallon]

Can I borrow a life preserver?<br />

[HBox]

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556925" target="_blank">John Gibbons must be fired.</a><br />

[Fezticle98]

I went to a fight and a Blue Jays game broke out. Wocka, wocka, wocka!

[HeyGuy]

<strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556925" target="_blank">John Gibbons must be fired.</a><br /><p>He has lost respect from his team. They dont respect him as a manager and the players feel they have to listen to him. When you get in a fight with 2 players in the past month you have no control over your team. They need to hire a new manager. They have the talent so its got to be the manager.</p>

[FUNKMAN]

<p>if the manager goes out to the mound to take you out you should hand him the ball. </p><p>i think the manager gained some respect of 'real men' on the team and not boys by what he did regardless of what happens to him</p><p>if he threw the first punch then he's wrong but i respect he got in the players face</p><p>imho</p>

[TheGameHHH]

<p>I just&nbsp;saw the highlight on Sportscenter.&nbsp;I'll echo the sentiment that when the manager comes out to take the ball, you hand it to him. I saw Lilly mouth the words, &quot;What? I'm fine, I'm trying to win the game&quot; but regardless when the manager comes to take you out, you go peacefully. Lilly was getting shelled, he was hanging sliders high over the plate similar to Randy when he's on an off day. He needed to be taken out. </p>

[spoon]

<strong>CampoNJ</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556925" target="_blank">John Gibbons must be fired.</a><br /><p>He has lost respect from his team. They dont respect him as a manager and the players feel they have to listen to him. When you get in a fight with 2 players in the past month you have no control over your team. They need to hire a new manager. They have the talent so its got to be the manager.</p><p>Sorry Camps but it was never confirmed that he challenged Hilly to a fight and he's had trouble everywhere.&nbsp; I can't believe the espn article had this in it.&nbsp; &quot;Gibbons challenged <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6332"><font color="#000000">Shea Hillenbrand</font></a> to a fight in July after the infielder wrote on the clubhouse bulletin board that the &quot;ship was sinking.&quot; Hillenbrand declined to fight, and was later traded to San Francisco.&quot;&nbsp; That's bad journalism since it isn't a bonified fact.&nbsp; Say what you want, but you can't make things conclusive that just aren't.&nbsp; </p><p>As for Lilly, he definitely should have handed him the ball and brought up his problem later in public outside of a quick &quot;seriously I'm fine and would like to work this out.&quot;&nbsp; Lilly knew he still had a lead and wanted to get to the 5th and get the win.&nbsp; If he was down 7-1 or something I&nbsp;promise you this wouldn't of happened.&nbsp; When he's off, he's really off.&nbsp; And being that it's a contract year, every win may mean a couple hundred thousand&nbsp;dollars and more years on a contract.&nbsp; He wasn't thinking in terms of the team, more&nbsp;his&nbsp;wallet.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>Unfortunately Gibbons does indeed have to go.&nbsp; And I'm not convinced he's&nbsp;in the wrong on either of these situations, although&nbsp;chasing a player down the hall even if he's wrong isn't something you do as a good manager.&nbsp; Yet both situations were brought on by&nbsp;players being&nbsp;asses and bc Hilly cracked the seal, nobody thinks they&nbsp;have to go by his decisions.&nbsp; He's lost respect via&nbsp;the&nbsp;Hilly situation and many a manager&nbsp;have been brought down by&nbsp;one asshole player that opens up pandora's box for the other clubhouse cancers or emotional outbreaks from players having bad days/games.&nbsp; He's done in Toronto, but the upper management should definitely fined and suspended both of them.&nbsp;&nbsp;They&nbsp;embarrassed the team and the league on this and should both be made examples of.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>Also,&nbsp;Gibbons isn't holding back the Jays campo, it's&nbsp;pitching like&nbsp;they had tonight that has killed them all year long.&nbsp; They just don't have enough guns to help Halladay&nbsp;when they have the injuries they did&nbsp;this year.&nbsp; The&nbsp;Blue Jays set team records this year for using starters as well as rookie pitchers overall.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p>

[spoon]

<p>Oh and Tom, you're a fucking HACK.</p><p>The Jays were done for a couple weeks Kreskin.&nbsp; Welcome to the party Mr. Short Bus.</p>

[Justice4all]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Oh and Tom, you're a fucking HACK.</p><p>The Jays were done for a couple weeks Kreskin.&nbsp; Welcome to the party Mr. Short Bus.</p><p>Yea yea yea...Just admit it and join us...</p><p><img src="http://www.celebopedia.com/new-york-yankees/images/new-york-yankees.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>...come to the WINNING side. You know you want to!<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" /></p>

[HeyGuy]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>CampoNJ</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556925" target="_blank">John Gibbons must be fired.</a><br /><p>He has lost respect from his team. They dont respect him as a manager and the players feel they have to listen to him. When you get in a fight with 2 players in the past month you have no control over your team. They need to hire a new manager. They have the talent so its got to be the manager.</p><p>Sorry Camps but it was never confirmed that he challenged Hilly to a fight and he's had trouble everywhere.&nbsp; I can't believe the espn article had this in it.&nbsp; &quot;Gibbons challenged <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6332"><font color="#000000">Shea Hillenbrand</font></a> to a fight in July after the infielder wrote on the clubhouse bulletin board that the &quot;ship was sinking.&quot; Hillenbrand declined to fight, and was later traded to San Francisco.&quot;&nbsp; That's bad journalism since it isn't a bonified fact.&nbsp; Say what you want, but you can't make things conclusive that just aren't.&nbsp; </p><p>As for Lilly, he definitely should have handed him the ball and brought up his problem later in public outside of a quick &quot;seriously I'm fine and would like to work this out.&quot;&nbsp; Lilly knew he still had a lead and wanted to get to the 5th and get the win.&nbsp; If he was down 7-1 or something I&nbsp;promise you this wouldn't of happened.&nbsp; When he's off, he's really off.&nbsp; And being that it's a contract year, every win may mean a couple hundred thousand&nbsp;dollars and more years on a contract.&nbsp; He wasn't thinking in terms of the team, more&nbsp;his&nbsp;wallet.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>Unfortunately Gibbons does indeed have to go.&nbsp; And I'm not convinced he's&nbsp;in the wrong on either of these situations, although&nbsp;chasing a player down the hall even if he's wrong isn't something you do as a good manager.&nbsp; Yet both situations were brought on by&nbsp;players being&nbsp;asses and bc Hilly cracked the seal, nobody thinks they&nbsp;have to go by his decisions.&nbsp; He's lost respect via&nbsp;the&nbsp;Hilly situation and many a manager&nbsp;have been brought down by&nbsp;one asshole player that opens up pandora's box for the other clubhouse cancers or emotional outbreaks from players having bad days/games.&nbsp; He's done in Toronto, but the upper management should definitely fined and suspended both of them.&nbsp;&nbsp;They&nbsp;embarrassed the team and the league on this and should both be made examples of.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>Also,&nbsp;Gibbons isn't holding back the Jays campo, it's&nbsp;pitching like&nbsp;they had tonight that has killed them all year long.&nbsp; They just don't have enough guns to help Halladay&nbsp;when they have the injuries they did&nbsp;this year.&nbsp; The&nbsp;Blue Jays set team records this year for using starters as well as rookie pitchers overall.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>I think your reading what I wrote wrong. I think he was 100% in the right and lilly was 100% wrong. The reason I think he needs to go is, when a player has the balls to disrespect a manager like that. This means he has no respect, fear or trust in that manager. It seems like he cant control his team. And even though I dont think he did anything directly wrong. If your players wont play for you or listen to you. Then you have no control and your done. I do think they have a real good team and with the right guy they will challenge the sox and yanks next year.</p>

[crb1]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>As for Lilly, he definitely should have handed him the ball and brought up his problem later in public outside of a quick &quot;seriously I'm fine and would like to work this out.&quot;&nbsp; Lilly knew he still had a lead and wanted to get to the 5th and get the win.&nbsp; If he was down 7-1 or something I&nbsp;promise you this wouldn't of happened.&nbsp; When he's off, he's really off.&nbsp; And being that it's a contract year, every win may mean a couple hundred thousand&nbsp;dollars and more years on a contract.&nbsp; He wasn't thinking in terms of the team, more&nbsp;his&nbsp;wallet.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>Unfortunately Gibbons does indeed have to go.&nbsp; And I'm not convinced he's&nbsp;in the wrong on either of these situations, although&nbsp;chasing a player down the hall even if he's wrong isn't something you do as a good manager.&nbsp; Yet both situations were brought on by&nbsp;players being&nbsp;asses and bc Hilly cracked the seal, nobody thinks they&nbsp;have to go by his decisions.&nbsp; He's lost respect via&nbsp;the&nbsp;Hilly situation and many a manager&nbsp;have been brought down by&nbsp;one asshole player that opens up pandora's box for the other clubhouse cancers or emotional outbreaks from players having bad days/games.&nbsp; He's done in Toronto, but the upper management should definitely fined and suspended both of them.&nbsp;&nbsp;They&nbsp;embarrassed the team and the league on this and should both be made examples of.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>Also,&nbsp;Gibbons isn't holding back the Jays campo, it's&nbsp;pitching like&nbsp;they had tonight that has killed them all year long.&nbsp; They just don't have enough guns to help Halladay&nbsp;when they have the injuries they did&nbsp;this year.&nbsp; The&nbsp;Blue Jays set team records this year for using starters as well as rookie pitchers overall.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>Interesting thought on Lilly just looking for a win.&nbsp; I don't have a problem with a pitcher getting pissed at the manager for pulling him, IF it's a close game and he's been pitching well.&nbsp; But after 7 runs in one inning, it's time to hit the showers.&nbsp; He was off base to argue being pulled, but Gibbons was out of line for following him and escalating the incident.</p><p>It seems as though Gibbons may just be too confrontational with his players, which is just going to wear out over time.&nbsp; So, it's probably time for him to go, although Buck Martinez mentioned on 175 this morning that Gibbons and JP (Italian last name) are close friends so he wonders if he will be shown the door.&nbsp; Some managers can pull off this style and be successful (Earl Weaver and Billy Martin), and some can't (Larry Bowa's persona definitely seemed to wear out in Philly).&nbsp; I also think current players seem less apt to put up with that crap from a manager than past players, which I think can be partially attributed to the media getting a hold of a story like this and just driving it into the ground and questioning every single player about it.&nbsp; </p><p>The Jays have been a solid team this year, but losing Burnett and even Chacin (who pitched well with the exception of 3 or 4 starts) is going to kill you in the AL East and the AL in general this year.&nbsp;&nbsp;Replace Josh Towers with a healthy Burnett and the Jays are mostly a strong wild card contender. </p><p>The Jays don't have the resources of the Red Sox and Yankees, or even the White Sox, so they just cannot compensate for key injuries as well the other teams.&nbsp; It also doesn't help that even if they had the resources, there just wasn't much starting pitching available.&nbsp; </p>

[spoon]

I agree with both you guys, crb and campo.&nbsp; And to finish crb's point, for teams like the Jays to have a dream season they simply can't hit any injury potholes along the way as they did.&nbsp; I'm not saying they'd be up there right now with the yanks minus the injuries (don't forget Rios too)&nbsp;as they have one hell of a record again.&nbsp; Yet they surely would have gotten to at least 90 or more wins for the first time in a long time.&nbsp; Regardless, this is a step in the right direction for the team since it's the first winning season in a while (hope I didn't jinx even this), but for them to move up again next year they'll have to find a new manager.&nbsp; But who?&nbsp; Ernie Whitt?&nbsp; And don't even threaten me with Baker!&nbsp; Keep him with Mojo's cubbies.&nbsp; I'm sure they have some ideas, but for once I really don't have any real suggestions.&nbsp;

[Bulldogcakes]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><a target="_blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556925">John Gibbons must be fired.</a><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Agreed. I had my suspicions about Gibbons when he seemed to get so personal in his attacks on Hillenbrand on his way out. Most managers keep it professional, wish the player well, the usual. He went out of his way to personally attack the guy as did the rest of the organization. Now this.</p><p>I'd be shocked if Gibbons is back next year. Especially since he was inherited from prior ownership and since this team fell so short of expectations . And if Riccardi gets to hire another manager, I'd be surprised as well. I'd think the new owners will bring in their own people now that they have their feet wet. &nbsp;</p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p>

[spoon]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556925" target="_blank">John Gibbons must be fired.</a><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Agreed. I had my suspicions about Gibbons when he seemed to get so personal in his attacks on Hillenbrand on his way out. Most managers keep it professional, wish the player well, the usual. He went out of his way to personally attack the guy as did the rest of the organization. Now this.</p><p>I'd be shocked if Gibbons is back next year. Especially since he was inherited from prior ownership and since this team fell so short of expectations . And if Riccardi gets to hire another manager, I'd be surprised as well. I'd think the new owners will bring in their own people now that they have their feet wet. &nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>So you're saying the Jays were expected to beat the Sox and yanks?&nbsp; You're nuts.&nbsp; There's a difference bt hope/chance and expectected.&nbsp; The Jays will go from a few games under .500 to around 10 over.&nbsp; Being truthful, in the AL East it's a good step especially with the injuries we can't cover as the yanks can.&nbsp; It amuses me that you not only wrote fell short, but &quot;fell so short&quot; as if the Jays were expected to have a 100 win season.&nbsp; You're much more funny than I give you credit for.&nbsp; </p>

[crb1]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br />&nbsp; Regardless, this is a step in the right direction for the team since it's the first winning season in a while (hope I didn't jinx even this), but for them to move up again next year they'll have to find a new manager.&nbsp; But who?&nbsp; Ernie Whitt?&nbsp; And don't even threaten me with Baker!&nbsp; Keep him with Mojo's cubbies.&nbsp; I'm sure they have some ideas, but for once I really don't have any real suggestions.&nbsp; <p>Lou Piniella?&nbsp; I know how much you'd love an ex-Yankee, but he is a proven winner that can be fiery without going overboard (unlike Gibbons).&nbsp; And he seems to always have the respect of his players.&nbsp; </p><p>I'm sure there are other good candidates out there, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.</p>

[spoon]

I wouldn't mind that five years ago but he's been on the down since he took over his last gig.&nbsp; Also he's too close to what they have right now and I'd expect them to go in a totally different direction.&nbsp; If BDC is right about anything, once the manager loses respect it's over.&nbsp; And that's why Cito Gaston worked so well back in the early 90's for the winning Jays and Torre with the yanks.&nbsp; They both have that quite demeanor and respect that players just don't dare to test.&nbsp; It works and Gibbons approach almost never does, especially in this era.&nbsp; He really has changed in the last two years, and I think it has something to do with the fact he IS really close to JP and believes he is protected.&nbsp; Even he has to know now that his head is on the block so perhaps you'll at least see a good finish from the Jays only to break my heart more if they miss by 2 games or so.&nbsp;

[TheMojoPin]

<p>Sweet Lou is a monster.</p><p>It boggles my mind that legit teams supposedly still consider giving him a job.</p>

[spoon]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Sweet Lou is a monster.</p><p>It boggles my mind that <font style="background-color: #ffff00">legit teams</font> supposedly still consider giving him a job.</p><p>Does this mean the cubs never considered him?&nbsp; </p><p>$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by spoon on 8-23-06 @ 1:04 AM</span>

[TheMojoPin]

<p>On the contrary, his name was all over the place when it was making like Baker would be fired around the ASB.&nbsp; It terrified me then and it terrifies me now.&nbsp; Like Baker, Lou is an overrated hack.&nbsp; Guys like him and Bob Brenley and Ozzie Guillen get all the credit in the world just because of their WS wins and their countless mistakes are ignored.&nbsp; Sure, there are plenty of managers who are driving forces to a team's success...those guys I listed above&nbsp;are butchers who&nbsp;stumbled luckily onto great teams that win in spite of their bungling decisions and dated, out of touch strategies.</p>

[spoon]

Out of all of them I think Lou had some of the better years early with the Mariners.&nbsp; I can't say I followed him enough to be definitive or confident one way or another, but he seemed like a solid manager while there.&nbsp;

[spoon]

Not sure if you got my joke back there so I highlighted the meaning in it just to make sure.&nbsp; I knew the Cubs were looking into him a few times.&nbsp; I bet he's waiting for the yankee job, and it's his if they win the WS this year.&nbsp; No doubt in my mind either.&nbsp;

[crb1]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Sweet Lou is a monster.</p><p>It boggles my mind that legit teams supposedly still consider giving him a job.</p><p>Piniella reminds of Parcells because they have these awful reputations, but the players seem to respect them.&nbsp; I wouldn't classify him as a monster.&nbsp; He's a very good &quot;motivator,&quot; and is one of those managers that always seems to get a little more from his team than people expect.&nbsp; He had the Devil Rays playing well (for them) when he was there.&nbsp; Did they still suck?&nbsp; Of course, they're the Devil Rays.&nbsp; But teams never walked all over them like they did before.</p><p>Spoon is correct though. Piniella is holding out for the Yanks job, which I don't see opening up until Torre retires since Steinbrenner is fading away and no longer seems that involved with the team's day-to-day operations.&nbsp; </p><p>However, Toronto has a lot of talent and is very capable of making the playoffs.&nbsp; And once they get there, they have a strong 1-2 tandem of Halladay and Burnett, a solid offense, and&nbsp;a lights out closer.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

Pinella is one of those guys, like the ones I listed, that will fight tooth and nail to play the medicore veteran over the rookie/young player&nbsp;unless they absolutely cannot or are told they can't, like with what happened to Lou down in Tampa Bay.&nbsp; They have antiquated mindsets of playing and amanging that haven't evolved with the times.&nbsp; Granted, getting the job with the Yankees might be perfect for someone like Lou...the Yanks love to do almost nothing but bring in high price, established veterans to play.&nbsp; And he'll stumble his way maybe to another WS, just like all the other guys I listed, because of the talent of the team, and not their managerial &quot;skills&quot; or motivation.

[Bulldogcakes]

<p> </p><strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><p>On the contrary, his name was all over the place when it was making like Baker would be fired around the ASB. It terrified me then and it terrifies me now. Like Baker, Lou is an overrated hack. Guys like him and Bob Brenley and Ozzie Guillen get all the credit in the world just because of their WS wins and their countless mistakes are ignored. Sure, there are plenty of managers who are driving forces to a team's success...those guys I listed above are butchers who stumbled luckily onto great teams that win in spite of their bungling decisions and dated, out of touch strategies.</p><p> </p><p>I think you're being a little too rough on him. He's smarter than you might think. Pinella will throw over a buffet table with one team (Reds/Devil Rays), and be calm and cool with another (2001 Mariners). But people only remember the antics on the highlight reels. </p><p>I think what Pinella brings to a team more than anything else is an attitude. Us against them, fuck everybody stuff. He's alot like his mentor Billy Martin was. For some teams, that can work for a little while. Maybe a talented, underperforming group that had a players coach before him. </p><p>I will agree with you on this. The 95 WC playoffs vs the Yanks was the wost fucking coaching job I've ever seen. Almost as bad as Jack McKeon's 2003 Marlins. And in both cases, they still won. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p> </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 8-23-06 @ 5:10 PM</span>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2557329" target="_self" title="Gibbons says "I overreacted"">Gibbons says &quot;I overreacted&quot;</a></p><p></p><p>Given an 8-0 lead, Lilly was removed after allowing five runs in the
third. Gibbons chewed out his pitcher, who refused to give him the ball.</p><p>When
Lilly left the mound for the clubhouse, Gibbons followed him. A team
trainer and several players ran down the stairs. Cameramen near the
dugout saw Gibbons push Lilly first.</p><p>&quot;I overreacted. I wasn't proud about it,&quot; Gibbons said.</p><p>Canadian Press photographer Aaron Harris, one of a handful of
photographers to witness the skirmish, said Lilly was waiting for
Gibbons in the tunnel leading to the clubhouse.</p><p>&quot;Gibbons just went at
him,&quot; Harris said. &quot;It looked like Gibbons grabbed him and they
disappeared. Then the whole dugout emptied back there. It was mayhem
down in the tunnel.&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2557329" target="_self" title="Gibbons says "I overreacted""></a>

[Justice4all]

<p><img src="http://www.cedmagic.com/mem/whos-who/brokaw-tom.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&quot;THIS JUST INTO THE NEWS ROOM....The BLUE JAYS ARE DONE FOR THE SEASON. WE CAN HEAR CHANTS COMING FROM THE CANADIAN BORDER OF 'WAIT 'TIL NEXT YEAR'. WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED IF THERE REAMINS ANY LIFE FROM THIS DISAPPOINTING TEAM&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Damn shame too....I realy did think the Jays would make the Wild card this year. They certainly did not lack for talent.</p>

[Doctor Z]

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[spoon]

Yah, good point Justice.&nbsp; The yanks had holes and went out and bought fillers for the fillers they bought in the offseason.&nbsp; I can't believe 140 million dollars (or 14 more 10million dollar players) would mean so much in terms of wins and depth?&nbsp; Who knew?&nbsp; Baseball is a joke.&nbsp; The Jays would have had to pull of the whole season with no injuries and&nbsp;perfect results to stay with the yanks at even there increased level of pay.&nbsp; If they were in the west and made the playoffs that way they'd have a decent chance.&nbsp; But not over a 162 game season.&nbsp; Don't bother responding bc it's guaranteed to be homer talk and stupid.&nbsp; That goes for most yankee fans too.&nbsp; I'm proud of how they fought through some big injuries (Burnett, Chacin, Speier, Rios) with only their farm system to fill in.&nbsp; The names you see on the yanks of late would be the team they'd put on the mound if they didn't have the league by the balls in respect to finances.&nbsp; They produce some world class dog shit in terms of pitchers.&nbsp; So in closing, go whoever plays the yanks in the playoffs.&nbsp; Damn if I watch a single boring inning.&nbsp; I'd rather watch girls soccer than the yankees act like they've earned another anything.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

[narc]

<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br>Yah, good point Justice. The yanks had holes and went out and bought fillers for the fillers they bought in the offseason. I can't believe 140 million dollars (or 14 more 10million dollar players) would mean so much in terms of wins and depth? Who knew? Baseball is a joke. The Jays would have had to pull of the whole season with no injuries and perfect results to stay with the yanks at even there increased level of pay. If they were in the west and made the playoffs that way they'd have a decent chance. But not over a 162 game season. Don't bother responding bc it's guaranteed to be homer talk and stupid. That goes for most yankee fans too. I'm proud of how they fought through some big injuries (Burnett, Chacin, Speier, Rios) with only their farm system to fill in. The names you see on the yanks of late would be the team they'd put on the mound if they didn't have the league by the balls in respect to finances. They produce some world class dog shit in terms of pitchers. So in closing, go whoever plays the yanks in the playoffs. Damn if I watch a single boring inning. I'd rather watch girls soccer than the yankees act like they've earned another anything. <hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>

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[spoon]

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[spoon]

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[spoon]

<p>Another boring MLB&nbsp;October for me.&nbsp; Thank God for the start of the NHL and of course the NFL all together.&nbsp;&nbsp;Say what you want&nbsp;about these&nbsp;leagues, but they have the interest of the league&nbsp;as a whole&nbsp;in mind, not just the Giants or the&nbsp;Rangers.&nbsp; Just imagine&nbsp;how many more Ranger fans there would have been if the Devils weren't in contention all those years.&nbsp; You'd have Stu and BDC screaming that they're sooo popular, I wonder why?&nbsp; Egg or the chicken, chicken or the egg.&nbsp; The good thing about the NHL, and&nbsp;it quite&nbsp;possibly is the only&nbsp;league&nbsp;like this,&nbsp;is that even money can't buy you division titles and get&nbsp;you in the hunt with even more teams making the playoff races.&nbsp; You need&nbsp;great chemistry, a hot goalie, solid gritty players for the&nbsp;third and fourth lines, and of course&nbsp;solid pp and pk crews.&nbsp; I can watch any game in both the NHL and NFL, while I can't watch ~70% of the games in&nbsp;the MLB&nbsp;these days.&nbsp;&nbsp;At least one of the teams isn't going anywhere and you know it in April.&nbsp; Sure you get a surprise here and there, but it requires the perfect storm theory and they usually can't even keep those teams together bc they get raped and pillaged soon thereafter.&nbsp; Result, a shitty overall product that they seem to want.&nbsp; I miss the old days when watching a KC game meant watching a ledgend like Brett or Saberhagen, or Yount and Molitor in Milwaukee.&nbsp; As seen with Beltran in KC, this won't happen often these days.&nbsp; </p><p>So I assume the Jays are going to spend even more money this year to get the payroll to about 90 million, still over 100 million under the yank payroll, yet closer to the Sox.&nbsp; Is it any surprise that over a 162 game season the Jays and the Sox were closer in payroll and overall wins?&nbsp; Not by my calculations.&nbsp; I'm not too fond of the Jays getting into a payroll war with these two teams, even though I feel the Sox hit the ceiling on spending these last few years.&nbsp; I just hope they resign Wells to a long-term contract as he's a lifetime Blue Jay, and make a play on a decent hitting SS.&nbsp; I'd love to see them resign Lilly and Cat too but I doubt they can afford it.&nbsp; Cat is a smooth clutch hitting outfielder (slightly above avg.) who will likely end up close to home which is Long Island, and Lilly got up to a personal high in wins this year.&nbsp; Being one of the top lefties on the market, he's going to fetch around 7 million a year or so.&nbsp; The Jays can afford to let Cat go more than Lilly bc they have a ton a good OF prospects coming up and the Johnson/Wells/Rios outfield is fucking solid in all forms.&nbsp; This kid Lind looks ready to be the fourth outfielder/DH pick for 2007.&nbsp; Yet the Jays need to solidify there rotation if they want a chance to get this thing done.&nbsp; All the kids are a year older now (Rios, Johnson, Hill, League, Marcum and more) so I really think 2007 is the year to go for it.&nbsp; I picked the Jays to finish second and have a chance at the WC, so I guess I wasn't way off.&nbsp; I also picked the stacked yanks to win it and unfortunately the did so and became more stacked as the year went on.</p>

[spoon]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>That's the spirit!!&nbsp; Take that Mojo!!&nbsp; I'm the Blue Jay evangelist/missionary, spreading the way of the Jay&nbsp;up and down the coast.&nbsp; CJ, best poster on the site I might add.&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;--And that wraps up my self absorbed Moe moment for the week.&nbsp; </p><p>Hey mojo, how about a friendly little wager that doesn't involve hair?&nbsp; Say 5 shekels on who finishes ahead in terms of overall record at the end of the year.&nbsp; Or better yet, perhaps a buck per game difference when all it said and done.&nbsp; This way if our teams fold, as is the cubs&nbsp;m.o. and the jays of late, we'd still have a little fun with the season.&nbsp; You have the fact that the Jays play in the toughest division in baseball going for you right off the bat.&nbsp; What say you Mojo O'Reilly?</p><p>P.S. - CJ for mod!&nbsp;</p><p>I'll take that bet!&nbsp; I like the buck per game difference...great idea!</p><p>But...that's 2 Jays fans so far!&nbsp; I know there are at least 4 Cubs fans on the board, and I still locked that one up.&nbsp; If 5 Jays fans make themselves known, so shall it remain!</p><p>And for the record, the Hello Kitty pic in the Yankees thread ruled the school.</p><p>Time to pay up MOJO.&nbsp; As I see it you owe me 21 smackers!&nbsp; Not bad my friend, not bad.&nbsp; It's no consolation to finishing out of the playoffs but I'll take a gambling victory to lift my spirits some.&nbsp; Shoot me a PM of shame when you can.&nbsp; </p>

[spoon]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&quot;you cant be serious. third place maybe. 72-90 if your lucky.&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I would have to second the &quot;you can't be serious&quot; line bc the Jays won 80 games last year only have Lilly and Halladay half the year.&nbsp; And the Jays are clearly a stronger team then last year.&nbsp; The third place is totally possible, but I'd bet a ton of money they get way more than 72 wins.&nbsp; You down with the bet?&nbsp; Over/under, $5 a win/lose off 72.&nbsp; Put your money where your mouth is bitch!</p><p>Too bad Coffeeal is still on vacation bc this one still cracks me up.&nbsp; I should have won 75 bucks on this one. </p>

[spoon]

<strong>TheGameHHH</strong> wrote:<br /><p>how about 73-89? that seems more realistic</p>Here's someone who is still around.&nbsp; Is it any wonder he loses a ton of money gambling?

[spoon]

<strong>coffeeal401</strong> wrote:<br />OK Spoon&nbsp; you get the wild card. 90- 72&nbsp; for real NOT. <span class="post_edited">This message was edited by coffeeal401 on 3-18-06 @ 6:56 PM</span> <p>His joke was only 3 wins off, way closer to his real pick.&nbsp; This thread review is fun as hell.</p>