NY Mets 2006 Season

[johnniewalker]

<strong>Doogie76</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Ok, I have had a half hour to calm down (scrubbing sinks will get some frustrations out), and it is easy to point fingers at Beltran. Lord knows I just did it. But lets face the facts. The game was lost when you have two on, no one out and you can not convert. Bases loaded and one out and cant convert. It is easy to blame Beltran, but he is merely the effect and not the cause of the problems that culminated in this loss. </p><p>It was a great season, and a fun ride. Just a shame the way that it ended. As was said in Brooklyn for ages...'Wait til next year.' Lets see what the Mets do to plug the gaps in the offseason. It can be just as fun as watching a great season. Does it fill in the gap that a world series trophy brings?? No, but what else can be done. The season is over. &quot;<em>Mighty Casey has struck out...</em>&quot;</p><p> </p>I forgot about that debacle with 1 out. I am saddened. I despise the cardinals and if the Mets would have won, it would have been one of the best series's ever. Now we have to see that stupid red goatee for one more series. I was thinking about your quote at the end too after Beltran struck out. Sadness..............<br />

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by johnniewalker on 10-20-06 @ 12:54 AM</span>

[keithy_19]

<strong>johnniewalker</strong> wrote:<br /><p>get to Beltran</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/glurps.gif" border="0" /></p>

[watson]

<p>its over johnny</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>nice move willie ... maybe next time you bring in wagner&nbsp;</p>

[Doctor Z]

Okay, there's NO WAY you can blame this one on Willie... Can you IMAGINE the shit that would've gone down if he brought in Wagner and lost? Wagner had already blown 1 game in this series, and came damn close to blowing another one last night. No one wanted to see Wagner on the mound until hind sight was 20/20.

[Justice4all]

<p>Met's fans...I tip my hat to ya. You had a better run then the Yanks. (in the playoffs)</p><p>I am sorry to see you lose, I was pulling for the Mets.</p><p>Look foward to next season. That is for sure.</p>

[newport king]

its 3oclock and im sitting here STILL in disbelief. i cant believe we lost.

[spoon]

<p>The Mets seemed to refuse to shorten their swings in 2 strike counts or almost any time they needed a simple single.&nbsp; They didn't move the runners much either in games where every run obviously was at a premium.&nbsp; Quite simply the pitching wasn't the big issue&nbsp;here, it was timely hitting, situational hitting and creating runs.&nbsp; We saw this inability by the yanks earlier in the year, but the Mets actually have the players to do this.&nbsp; They just didn't perform.&nbsp; Did Green, Reyes, Wright&nbsp;and Endy ever take a compact swing in a tight count?&nbsp; Fuck no!&nbsp; Swing for the fences.&nbsp; Wright was lucky to nub that pitch in the first&nbsp;allowing it to fall in for the rbi single.&nbsp; I got sick of hearing what a &quot;great cut&quot; Green had at balls by Buck and his retarded partner in the booth as he continued to get himself in terrible counts.&nbsp; Hell, the whole team just seemed to swing as hard as they could every at bat.&nbsp; Throughout the series it seemed like Beltran and Delgado were the only two who weren't swinging for the bomb every at bat, and these two have the most power/chance to do so.&nbsp; </p><p>Overall good season by the mets but I do in fact get on Willie for the loss.&nbsp; He's the fucking manager of the team first off, and should of definitely been more prepared to face Suppan the second time.&nbsp; They made absolutely no adjustments even though he shut them out the first time and should have the second time too.&nbsp; Take away the error in the 8th and the Mets only threatened in the fucking first when they barely managed a bloop single rbi.&nbsp; So to me, Willie is a big part of it.&nbsp; He let his team continually swing away and not approach Suppan from a better perspective.</p>

[HBox]

<p>[color=navy]<font size="2">I think Randolph could have helped out his top of the lineup hitters by pinch hitting someone who could get down a sac bunt instead of Cliff Floyd. If it worked it could have taken pressure off Reyes knowing he only needed a single to tie the game. It didn't help that Cliff Floyd went up there playing Home Run Derby.</font></p><p><font size="2">On the bright side for you guys if Oliver Perez has found his stuff again and John Maine is real the Mets are in tremendous shape next year.</font><br /></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by HBox on 10-20-06 @ 3:43 AM</span>

[spoon]

<p>Floyd and Trach are gone.&nbsp; </p><p>Will El Duque and Franco&nbsp;be around or worth it?</p><p>Will Pelfrey, Soler, Bannister, Fortunato, Ring, and&nbsp;Milledge make an impact?</p><p>Who will the Mets go after or what position do&nbsp;they need to fill?</p><p>Is Zito on the way to NYC?&nbsp;</p>

[Doctor Z]

A manager is not responsible for his offense shutting down. The same thing happened across town.<p>Willie made ONE bad call tonight, and Endy Chavez bailed him out of it.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 10-20-06 @ 4:21 AM</span>

[spoon]

Wrong.

[Doctor Z]

Well said.

[spoon]

<p>It's just that simple.&nbsp; Explain to me how the offense shutting down has nothing to do with the manager?&nbsp; It's his job to &quot;manage&quot; a team and the game itself.&nbsp; He made some good moves and questionable moves throughout and that's just part of the game.&nbsp; However, he as the manager dictates the teams' approach and he made zero adjustments to the way Suppan pitches games and the way his lineup was going to attack him.&nbsp; He just through the same lineup out there and let them swing away in the same fashion.&nbsp; I guess you can't blame him since it seemed to work so well last time. </p><p>Hence, wrong.</p>

[Doctor Z]

A) Managers don't teach major league hitters how to hit in Game 7 of the NLCS. <p>B) ANY losing manager can be second-guessed from here to hell... When you lose, every single thing you did is naturally gonna be looked back on. It's a matter of how obvious those unsuccessful moves (note, i'm not saying "bad moves") turn out.<p><p>
You can nitpick all you want, but that's only in hindsight. You can really only criticize moves that you thought were bad AS they were being made... not AFTER they were made.<p>Bottom line is, Willie made one outstanding bad move tonight, and Endy Chavez erased it. Randolph is PARTIALLY responsible for this loss, as is every member of the Mets. But I certainly do not place the brunt of responsibility on him, nor do I consider him the goat to any degree.

[spoon]

<strong>Doctor_Z</strong> wrote:<br />A) Managers don't teach major league hitters how to hit in Game 7 of the NLCS. <p>B) ANY losing manager can be second-guessed from here to hell... When you lose, every single thing you did is naturally gonna be looked back on. It's a matter of how obvious those unsuccessful moves (note, i'm not saying &quot;bad moves&quot;) turn out. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You can nitpick all you want, but that's only in hindsight. You can really only criticize moves that you thought were bad AS they were being made... not AFTER they were made. </p><p>Bottom line is, Willie made one outstanding bad move tonight, and Endy Chavez erased it. Randolph is PARTIALLY responsible for this loss, as is every member of the Mets. But I certainly do not place the brunt of responsibility on him, nor do I consider him the goat to any degree. </p><p>So you assume I wasn't saying this as Game #7 was progressing but I was.&nbsp; In fact, I started getting on Willie the first game they faced Suppan bc he never had his team take a different approach and made no adjustments at all.&nbsp; And managers do instruct their team in their approach and choices so much that in between every fucking pitch the batters, runners and base coaches constantly exchange signs as what approach they want their players to take.&nbsp; Not to mention that they coach players between innings and before their next at bats constantly based on the opposing team's success/failure&nbsp;and approach in many different situations that the game presents.&nbsp; They must then make adjustments based on the moves the opposition makes due to those moves.&nbsp; Saying that he has nothing to do with it is a joke.&nbsp; Why have a manager then if he's so useless?&nbsp; However you are right in saying he isn't at fault alone.&nbsp; Each batter could have made better choices n both Suppan games based on their lack of success against him alone.&nbsp; They should have made adjustments as well, but very few did.&nbsp; The only two batters that seemed to work counts and shorten swings with bad counts seemed to be Delgado, Beltran and the fucking pitchers (Perez)&nbsp;when they batted.&nbsp; </p><p>Still, Wrong.&nbsp; </p>

[Cleophus James]

Curve ball your out.&nbsp; Go Cards.&nbsp; Now we get the chance to get swept by the Tigers!<br />

[Doogie]

A) Managers don't teach major league hitters how to hit in Game 7 of the NLCS. <p>B) ANY losing manager can be second-guessed from here to hell... When you lose, every single thing you did is naturally gonna be looked back on. It's a matter of how obvious those unsuccessful moves (note, i'm not saying &quot;bad moves&quot;) turn out. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You can nitpick all you want, but that's only in hindsight. You can really only criticize moves that you thought were bad AS they were being made... not AFTER they were made. </p><p>Bottom line is, Willie made one outstanding bad move tonight, and Endy Chavez erased it. Randolph is PARTIALLY responsible for this loss, as is every member of the Mets. But I certainly do not place the brunt of responsibility on him, nor do I consider him the goat to any degree. </p><p></p><p>STOP IT GODDAMNT IT!!! I said my peace and that should be it you son of a cock!! When hitters dont hit dont blame the fucking manager. The bottom order of the lineup produced in the bottom of the 9th, not the hot part of the line up in the 7th/8th. Stop it. Enough of you non-major league baseball analysts. Goddamnit. Just open your eyes and just see what the fuck is at fault here. I very rarely get nasty in my posts but this is one of the times that I do. </p><p>When you have bases loaded and dont produce...it is your hitters NOT your manager. That kid from the Cardinals had great stuff in the end. Even Cliff Floyd sat down saying &quot;Goddamn, that kid struke me the fuck out!!!&quot; Enough. It is over. This is like reliving the pains of the walk home in 1999 all over again. Let it be...</p>

[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>My best friend is getting married on Saturday.&nbsp; He would have been out of the country for the entire series, and he's the biggest Mets fan I know.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Needless to say, he's saddened yet relieved by what transpired.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Doctor_Z</strong> wrote:<br />A) Managers don't teach major league hitters how to hit in Game 7 of the NLCS. <p>B) ANY losing manager can be second-guessed from here to hell... When you lose, every single thing you did is naturally gonna be looked back on. It's a matter of how obvious those unsuccessful moves (note, i'm not saying &quot;bad moves&quot;) turn out. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You can nitpick all you want, but that's only in hindsight. You can really only criticize moves that you thought were bad AS they were being made... not AFTER they were made. </p><p>Bottom line is, Willie made one outstanding bad move tonight, and Endy Chavez erased it. Randolph is PARTIALLY responsible for this loss, as is every member of the Mets. But I certainly do not place the brunt of responsibility on him, nor do I consider him the goat to any degree. </p><p>So you assume I wasn't saying this as Game #7 was progressing but I was.&nbsp; In fact, I started getting on Willie the first game they faced Suppan bc he never had his team take a different approach and made no adjustments at all.&nbsp; And managers do instruct their team in their approach and choices so much that in between every fucking pitch the batters, runners and base coaches constantly exchange signs as what approach they want their players to take.&nbsp; Not to mention that they coach players between innings and before their next at bats constantly based on the opposing team's success/failure&nbsp;and approach in many different situations that the game presents.&nbsp; They must then make adjustments based on the moves the opposition makes due to those moves.&nbsp; Saying that he has nothing to do with it is a joke.&nbsp; Why have a manager then if he's so useless?&nbsp; However you are right in saying he isn't at fault alone.&nbsp; Each batter could have made better choices n both Suppan games based on their lack of success against him alone.&nbsp; They should have made adjustments as well, but very few did.&nbsp; The only two batters that seemed to work counts and shorten swings with bad counts seemed to be Delgado, Beltran and the fucking pitchers (Perez)&nbsp;when they batted.&nbsp; </p><p>Still, Wrong.&nbsp; </p><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: black; font-family: verdana">I have to agree with Spoon. Willy could have at least done what la russa did. He switched the linup. By moving Molina up a spot it made a huge difference. Molina wound up hitting the gw HR. Just little things like that that helps sometimes, not all of the time, Torre tried&nbsp;it but it did not work, but at least try it.</span>

[keithy_19]

What do you think the ratings will be for the world series now that neither coast has anyone in it?

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>keithy_19</strong> wrote:<br />What do you think the ratings will be for the world series now that neither coast has anyone in it? <p>Obviously not the greatest, but definitely better than last year's all-time low.&nbsp; The Cardinals have a ton of very devoted fans, so they'll probably give it a boost.</p>

[Doctor Z]

<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>Doogie76</strong> wrote:<br><hr color="cococo" align="left"></font>A) Managers don't teach major league hitters how to hit in Game 7 of the NLCS. <p>B) ANY losing manager can be second-guessed from here to hell... When you lose, every single thing you did is naturally gonna be looked back on. It's a matter of how obvious those unsuccessful moves (note, i'm not saying "bad moves") turn out. </p><p>ÿ</p><p>You can nitpick all you want, but that's only in hindsight. You can really only criticize moves that you thought were bad AS they were being made... not AFTER they were made. </p><p>Bottom line is, Willie made one outstanding bad move tonight, and Endy Chavez erased it. Randolph is PARTIALLY responsible for this loss, as is every member of the Mets. But I certainly do not place the brunt of responsibility on him, nor do I consider him the goat to any degree. </p><p><hr color="cococo" align="left"></p><p>STOP IT GODDAMNT IT!!! I said my peace and that should be it you son of a cock!! When hitters dont hit dont blame the fucking manager. The bottom order of the lineup produced in the bottom of the 9th, not the hot part of the line up in the 7th/8th. Stop it. Enough of you non-major league baseball analysts. Goddamnit. Just open your eyes and just see what the fuck is at fault here. I very rarely get nasty in my posts but this is one of the times that I do. </p><p>When you have bases loaded and dont produce...it is your hitters NOT your manager. That kid from the Cardinals had great stuff in the end. Even Cliff Floyd sat down saying "Goddamn, that kid struke me the fuck out!!!" Enough. It is over. This is like reliving the pains of the walk home in 1999 all over again. Let it be...</p><hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>
Dude, are you on drugs? WHO'S post are you replying to?! I'm the one DEFENDING Willie Randolph. Spoon and Kevin are the ones you should be yelling at.

[cougarjake13]

<p>i definitely agree that someone who could lay down a bunt should have pinch hit instead of floyd but i guess willie was hoping for a kirk gibson moment</p><p>and i knew before the final pitch that wainwright was gonna throw that 12 to 6 curve he was doing it all inning, beltran has to at least foul the pitch off, if it looks too close you gotta swing</p><p>and as great a catch chavez made, all fucking game he was up there hacking like willie mays hayes in major league instead of just putting the ball in play</p>

[Doctor Z]

By moving Molina up a spot it made a huge difference. Molina wound up hitting the gw HR. <p>
Perfect example of some managing moves being a crap shoot. If you can only say it was a good decision or a bad decision AFTER the fact, then is it really worth praising/blaming the manager? Unless you're psychic, how can possibly predict that moving Molina would result in a game-winning homerun? You can't really credit LaRusa for that. Do you think he was writing the lineup card and said "This move will win it for us in the 9th"? Some decisions are strategic and some moves are just dumb luck.

[Doctor Z]

What if Floyd stepped up and hit a historic game-winning homerun? Willie would look like a genius. It's up to the players to execute.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Doctor_Z</strong> wrote:<br />What if Floyd stepped up and hit a historic game-winning homerun? Willie would look like a genius. It's up to the players to execute. <p>yes he would have looked like a genius</p><p>and<font size="7"> IF&nbsp;</font><font size="3">the mets scored more runs they would have won, and if the didnt blow the lead in game 2, so no more ifs</font></p><p><font size="3">still he needed to move the runners over and have 2nd and 3rd with one out and reyes up</font></p>

[Kevin]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Doctor_Z</strong> wrote:<br />What if Floyd stepped up and hit a historic game-winning homerun? Willie would look like a genius. It's up to the players to execute. <p>yes he would have looked like a genius</p><p>and<font size="7"> IF&nbsp;</font><font size="3">the mets scored more runs they would have won, and if the didnt blow the lead in game 2, so no more ifs</font></p><p><font size="3">still he needed to move the runners over and have 2nd and 3rd with one out and reyes up</font></p><p><img height="229" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/John-madden.jpg" width="239" border="0" />&nbsp;When&nbsp;a team scores more runs than the other team, they win they game.</p>

[Doogie]

<p>Dude, are you on drugs? </p><p>Yes I am on Celexa, would you liek me to ass rape you?? I would gladly do it...</p>

[HBox]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>Doctor_Z</strong> wrote:<br />By moving Molina up a spot it made a huge difference. Molina wound up hitting the gw HR. <p>
Perfect example of some managing moves being a crap shoot. If you can only say it was a good decision or a bad decision AFTER the fact, then is it really worth praising/blaming the manager? Unless you're psychic, how can possibly predict that moving Molina would result in a game-winning homerun? You can't really credit LaRusa for that. Do you think he was writing the lineup card and said &quot;This move will win it for us in the 9th&quot;? Some decisions are strategic and some moves are just dumb luck.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>La Russa deserves credit for that move. It was strategic and not dumb luck. Molina was hitting better and he decided to move him up. That he couldn't predict the exact way that it would help doesn't matter. He moved him up because at that point he felt more confident in him being in a big spot than anyone behind him and it worked out. That confidence was well placed and La Russa deserves credit.<br /></p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>keithy_19</strong> wrote:<br />What do you think the ratings will be for the world series now that neither coast has anyone in it? <p>Obviously not the greatest, but definitely better than last year's all-time low. The Cardinals have a ton of very devoted fans, so they'll probably give it a boost.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>THe Cardinals are a very regional team, They broadcast their games all across the midwest and are the default team for many/most midwesterners who dont have a team in their area. That should help. <br /> </p><p>Detroit is just a great story. From 119 losses to the WS in three years. When I-Rod and Leyland signed there, everybody said they were nuts. </p><p>I'll be watching. &nbsp;</p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p>

[spoon]

Tommy Lasorda says you'll ALL be watching......bitches!!!

[Bulldogcakes]

<p> </p><strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><p> </p><strong>Doctor_Z</strong> wrote:<br />By moving Molina up a spot it made a huge difference. Molina wound up hitting the gw HR. <p>
Perfect example of some managing moves being a crap shoot. If you can only say it was a good decision or a bad decision AFTER the fact, then is it really worth praising/blaming the manager? Unless you're psychic, how can possibly predict that moving Molina would result in a game-winning homerun? You can't really credit LaRusa for that. Do you think he was writing the lineup card and said &quot;This move will win it for us in the 9th&quot;? Some decisions are strategic and some moves are just dumb luck.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><font color="Navy"><font size="2">La Russa deserves credit for that move. It was strategic and not dumb luck. Molina was hitting better and he decided to move him up. That he couldn't predict the exact way that it would help doesn't matter. He moved him up because at that point he felt more confident in him being in a big spot than anyone behind him and it worked out. That confidence was well placed and La Russa deserves credit.</font></font><br /></p><p> </p><p>Yeah, he deserves credit, but that was a no brainer. The Mets couldn't get this guy out all series. </p><p>Notice that around midway through the series Delgado started walking more and stopped hitting? LaRussa obviously saw how well he was swinging the bat and decided to let Wright beat him. DElgado got nothing to hit the rest of the way. THat seemed to be the most important managerial &quot;adjustment&quot; I noticed in the series. <br /> </p><p>The Mets did a good job of keeping Pujols in check, so Willie deserves credit there. But again, a no brainer.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p> </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-20-06 @ 7:18 PM</span>

[Kevin]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br />Tommy Lasorda says you'll ALL be watching......bitches!!! <p>&nbsp;</p><p><img height="300" src="http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/la/photo/wallpaper/dglasorda_800x600.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p><p>It's Your duty....&nbsp; Judy</p>

[cougarjake13]

2006 baseball is dead to me

[Don Stugots]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Doctor_Z</strong> wrote:<br />What if Floyd stepped up and hit a historic game-winning homerun? Willie would look like a genius. It's up to the players to execute. <p>yes he would have looked like a genius</p><p>and<font size="7"> IF </font><font size="3">the mets scored more runs they would have won, and if the didnt blow the lead in game 2, so no more ifs</font></p><p><font size="3">still he needed to move the runners over and have 2nd and 3rd with one out and reyes up</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>and IF WOODY would have gone straight to the police, this may never've happened. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>STUGOTS1</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Doctor_Z</strong> wrote:<br />What if Floyd stepped up and hit a historic game-winning homerun? Willie would look like a genius. It's up to the players to execute. <p>yes he would have looked like a genius</p><p>and<font size="7"> IF </font><font size="3">the mets scored more runs they would have won, and if the didnt blow the lead in game 2, so no more ifs</font></p><p><font size="3">still he needed to move the runners over and have 2nd and 3rd with one out and reyes up</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>and IF WOODY would have gone straight to the police, this may never've happened. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p><font size="5">IF </font><font size="1">Lincoln did not attend that play, he would still be alive.........</font></p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><blockquote /><p><font size="5">IF </font><font size="1">Lincoln did not attend that play, he would still be alive.........</font></p><p>doubt he'd still be alive but he would have lived longer</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="5">IF </font><font size="1">Lincoln did not attend that play, he would still be alive.........</font></p><p>doubt he'd still be alive but he would have lived longer</p><p><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: black; font-family: verdana; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa">JFK, Parade?......</span></p>

[Kevin]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="5">IF </font><font size="1">Lincoln did not attend that play, he would still be alive.........</font></p><p>doubt he'd still be alive but he would have lived longer</p><p><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: black; font-family: verdana; mso-fareast-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa">JFK, Parade????......</span></p>

[Don Stugots]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="5">IF </font><font size="1">Lincoln did not attend that play, he would still be alive.........</font></p><p>doubt he'd still be alive but he would have lived longer</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>he would still be alive IF he found the fountain of youth after he left the white house. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p><blockquote />

[Kevin]

<strong>STUGOTS1</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="5">IF </font><font size="1">Lincoln did not attend that play, he would still be alive.........</font></p><p>doubt he'd still be alive but he would have lived longer</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>he would still be alive&nbsp;<font size="5">IF</font> he found the fountain of youth after he left the white house. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>Fixed it!</p>

[AppleBoy]

Lasorda, the Cardinals and Bud Selig can all go eat a bag of dicks.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>AppleBoy</strong> wrote:<br />Lasorda, the Cardinals and Bud Selig can all go eat a bag of dicks. <p>looks like lasorda already does</p><p>i really hope that the cards dont win</p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p><a href="http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=164639" target="_self" title="Pedro ahead of schedule">Pedro ahead of schedule</a></p><p><font><font><strong>Pedro progressing</strong>
<br /><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td height="8"></td></tr></table>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The word from associates close to Mets starter <a href="http://news.bostonherald.com/search/?searchSite=true&keyword=Pedro+Martinez&mode=all&sorting=pubdate"><strong>Pedro Martinez</strong></a>
is that the three-time Cy Young Award winner is ahead of schedule in
his rehab from rotator cuff surgery, and that he could return to action
ahead of schedule, meaning before the All-Star break next season.
Former Red Sox doctor Bill Morgan and Mets doctor Richard Altchek used
an innovative technique during the surgery in which they reattached
portions of Martinez&rsquo; shoulder in such a way that he would not lose
flexibility, allowing him to retain full range of motion once his
recovery is complete. His velocity should also improve upon the mid- to
high-80s fastball he was throwing last summer. Although the surgical
technique may not have been available five years ago, this procedure
repaired the same tear in the rotator cuff that Martinez developed in
the middle of the 2001 season with the Red Sox. Martinez, fearing that
the operation would turn out as disastrous to his career as it proved
for his brother Ramon, opted for rest and rehab instead</font></font>&nbsp;</p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2006/10/29/market_forces_will_play_out/?page=5" target="_self" title=" Story">&nbsp;Story</a></p><p></p><div class="crosshead">Homing in on a new deal </div> When <strong>Tom Glavine </strong>negotiates his new deal with the Mets within the next two weeks, he may get a <strong>Roger Clemens-</strong>type
clause that allows him to go home (to Atlanta) on weekends when he's
not pitching. Glavine has until Nov. 10 to exercise an option (for $7.5
million), but he will decline. The Mets then hold an option for $14
million with a $2 million bonus. The sides are expected to meet in the
middle. Glavine could opt to become a free agent and return to Atlanta
to win his 300th game there, but he does enjoy the Mets.<p>&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><p><a title=" Story" href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2006/10/29/market_forces_will_play_out/?page=5" target="_self">&nbsp;Story</a></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>* class=&quot;crosshead&quot;&gt;Homing in on a new deal <div />When <strong>Tom Glavine </strong>negotiates his new deal with the Mets within the next two weeks, he may get a <strong>Roger Clemens-</strong>type clause that allows him to go home (to Atlanta) on weekends when he's not pitching. Glavine has until Nov. 10 to exercise an option (for $7.5 million), but he will decline. The Mets then hold an option for $14 million with a $2 million bonus. The sides are expected to meet in the middle. Glavine could opt to become a free agent and return to Atlanta to win his 300th game there, but he does enjoy the Mets. <p>&nbsp;</p>&nbsp;i say fuck it and give him the roger clemens type deal and let him go home <p>&nbsp;</p>