NY Yankees 2006 Season [Archive] - Page 3

cougarjake13

06-08-2006, 02:01 PM

RingWraith wrote: Well the Yanks are the only team who hasn't been shut out so far.  I don't know if there was ever a team to go thru an entire season without being shut out.Anybody know of that stat?only two have done it in the modern era1932 yankees and 2000 reds| year_game | team_franch | SHO  | +-----------+-------------+------+ |      1871 | BNA         |    0 | |      1871 | CNA         |    0 | |      1871 | OLY         |    0 | |      1871 | TRO         |    0 | |      1871 | NNA         |    0 | |      1871 | PNA         |    0 | |      1871 | ROK         |    0 | |      1872 | NAT         |    0 | |      1872 | BNA         |    0 | |      1872 | TRO         |    0 | |      1873 | PWS         |    0 | |      1873 | PNA         |    0 | |      1874 | CNA         |    0 | |      1884 | MLU         |    0 | |      1887 | PHA         |    0 | |      1894 | PHI         |    0 | |      1894 | ATL         |    0 | |      1932 | NYY         |    0 | |      2000 | CIN         |    0 |

HBox

06-08-2006, 02:13 PM

Sheffield is going to have surgery, might be back in September.

BoondockSaint

06-09-2006, 05:31 AM

"Hey, Dave.""Yes, Jivey?""What kind of cloud did the Yankee plane fly into last night?""I don't know, Jivey.""A black cloud."

newport king

06-09-2006, 04:06 PM

HBox

06-09-2006, 04:15 PM

Antonio Perez just hit a HR off of Randy Johnson. His batting average before the at bat was .030. That's right, he was 1 for 33 on the season. For fuck's sake.

MHasegawa

06-09-2006, 04:17 PM

Kid even looks like miggy, no wonder he wears 4.  I can't talk shit too early, our bullpen can blow this just as quickly as your pen.

newport king

06-09-2006, 04:19 PM

i'm a real yankee hater. but randy johnson is out of control. i'd say he's done. stop bitching at the ump because you gave up a hr to a kid who should be in single a.

RingWraith

06-09-2006, 09:25 PM

Welcome back Randy!!!  I was wondering where was the Randy Johnson that walked the park, give up homeruns, and basically stink up the place. UUUGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!I guess he's this years "Kevin Brown".

Bulldogcakes

06-10-2006, 03:18 AM

This will make us Yankee fans feel better.  Randy Johnson is our 5th starter  Works for me.

Don Stugots

06-10-2006, 04:49 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Bulldogcakes wrote: This will make us Yankee fans feel better. Randy Johnson is our 5th starter Works for me. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

spot starter should be more like it. what a waste of money, time, energy and press. i would rather have a Halsey and Javi anyday over this guy.

Bulldogcakes

06-10-2006, 02:31 PM

We need an outfielder.

Bulldogcakes

06-11-2006, 05:31 AM

Best stuff I read this morning Torre spoke yesterday about Johnson being "still scheduled" for his
next start Wednesday, which makes it sound as though something could
happen to change that. Perhaps even a turn through the rotation without
him? In any case, you'd think that the starting corps would most be in
need of an in-season upgrade.  About making any trades But reinforcements are always welcome, and Cashman's history indicates
he'll deliver something new. Their biggest acquisitions, nevertheless,
could be Chacon today, and Octavio Dotel, perhaps this month, off the
disabled list. And Hideki Matsui is talking about an August return.  If he can make it back in August, and play well, the Yanks should be fine as is. I dont think Bernie can hold up for a full season, and if he gets a blow toward the end he'll be in good shape for the playoffs. Sheffield I dont expect back this year. His swing is so violent that wrist surgery kills his game. He may try to come back to show pepople he can still play, since if he doesn't he likely wont get any offers next year if he doesn't. If we get either Matsui or Sheffield back in September and playing well, we'll be fine. As far as the pitching goes, Dotel and Chacon should bolster the bullpen. And if Johnson continues to deteriorate, I guess we can hold our breath for Carl Pavano to come back (Scheduled to start throwing again June 15th). Maybe no deal is the best move at this time. 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 6-11-06 @ 9:39 AM

spoon

06-11-2006, 09:13 AM

Bulldogcakes

06-11-2006, 09:21 AM

Have I mentioned that John Flaherty sucks?I mean really, he was a Yankee for about 5 minutes. Was never a big time player and has a lousy deadpan voice. Some of his comments are good, but he just doesn't have the resume to make me care enough. Ands Leiter should be doing Mets games, not Yankee.

BoondockSaint

06-11-2006, 10:57 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Have I mentioned that John Flaherty sucks?I mean really, he was a Yankee for about 5 minutes. Was never a big time player and has a lousy deadpan voice. Some of his comments are good, but he just doesn't have the resume to make me care enough. Ands Leiter should be doing Mets games, not Yankee.  If they got rid of Flaherty and Leiter who would do the game if Kay, Singleton, Katt, Mercer, O'Neil, and Justice need the same day off?

MHasegawa

06-11-2006, 12:12 PM

<img width="153" height="173" border="0" src="http://www.seasite.niu.edu/thaidict/thailex1/picture/sweep.jpg" /> That felt good, A's haven't done shit against the yankees in years

BoondockSaint

06-11-2006, 12:17 PM

<img height="199" src="http://www.alionscience.com/images/ATACT2.jpg" width="245" border="0" /> "Mayday!  Mayday!  Mayday!  The Yankee plane is giving off smoke.""Black smoke!""Shut up, Jivey."

TheMojoPin

06-11-2006, 12:37 PM

Alright, Kerry Wood, Aramis Ramirez, Jacque Jones and Roberto Novoa for A-Rod.

DirtyJersey

06-13-2006, 08:07 PM

Can we please move Arod to the Columbus Clippers.

spoon

06-13-2006, 08:15 PM

This AL East just keeps getting tighter if that's possible. 

Bulldogcakes

06-14-2006, 12:33 PM

Can you believe the Yanks are actually tied for 1st today? Bosox lost yesterday.

Don Stugots

06-14-2006, 01:12 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Bulldogcakes wrote: Can you believe the Yanks are actually tied for 1st today? Bosox lost yesterday. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

amazing, play like shit for a few days and bamm first place. not bad. WANG was great last night. i do like his style of pitching and he isnt an ego manic. He is solid #2 starter.

Bulldogcakes

06-14-2006, 01:29 PM

<h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2483135" target="_self" title="Dotel roughed up in one-inning rehab appearance">Dotel roughed up in one-inning rehab appearance</a></h1>

spoon

06-14-2006, 05:02 PM

This belongs here!<a href="http://www.yankeessuck.com/">http://www.yankeessuck.com/</a>

Crippler

06-14-2006, 05:08 PM

Fucking Johnson...doesn't even like Jorge, but he plunks Perez as retaliation for Jorge getting hit (which was in no way intentional) & gets himself tossed out of a game he's pitching his best since coming to NY.  And I thought I couldn't hate him more than I already did.  If the bullpen blows this lead Johnson should get the loss just for being an asshole.Fucking Yankee pitchers don't throw at other teams when they should, but Big Ugly chooses his best game of the season to throw at someone when it shouldn't have been an issue to begin with.

Bulldogcakes

06-14-2006, 05:15 PM

ITS ABOUT FUCKING TIME!A Yankee pitcher protected one of their players. That up and in pitch that got THE BIG UNIT thrown out was nasty. Basically telling the guy to eat his fastball. Los Grande Unito was terrific tonite. Consistently 95 MPH, even hit 97-98 a few times. Location was excellent, throwing free and easy and looking comfortable for the first time in weeks. Also I thought he and Posada dont get along well, and he was CLEARLY protecting his catcher.

Don Stugots

06-14-2006, 05:18 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Bulldogcakes wrote: ITS ABOUT FUCKING TIME!A Yankee pitcher protected one of their players. That up and in pitch that got THE BIG UNIT thrown out was nasty. Basically telling the guy to eat his fastball. Los Grande Unito was terrific tonite. Consistently 95 MPH, even hit 97-98 a few times. Location was excellent, throwing free and easy and looking comfortable for the first time in weeks. Also I thought he and Posada dont get along well, and he was CLEARLY protecting his catcher. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

i agree thats his job.

Bulldogcakes

06-14-2006, 05:48 PM

Another thing from todays game. The fans did a really nice job supporting A-Rod, who's been a bit of a pinata lately and is mired in a terrible slump. When he came to the plate, many fans stood up and cheered, when he reached safely on an error, they gave him a standing O, and gave him another when he got a hit later in the game. Nice to see the grownups outnumber the drunken idiots in the crowd. Very classy move by them.

RingWraith

06-14-2006, 07:41 PM

And now the Yanks are in first place despite the four game losing streak.  Looks like it might be a three-way dance come September with the Yanks, Sox, and Jays possibly switching places for most of the season.

RingWraith

06-15-2006, 07:29 PM

I think A-Rod needs to fire his therapist and get "Joe Boo". If not, Yanks another Japanese player so he can tell A-Rod "You have no MARBLES!!!!" 

DirtyJersey

06-15-2006, 10:03 PM

RingWraith wrote: I think A-Rod needs to fire his therapist and get "Joe Boo". If not, Yanks another Japanese player so he can tell A-Rod "You have no MARBLES!!!!"  I think he should remember and recite the playboy centerfolds interests and measurements when he's up at bat.

Don Stugots

06-16-2006, 02:33 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">DirtyJersey wrote: RingWraith wrote: I think A-Rod needs to fire his therapist and get "Joe Boo". If not, Yanks another Japanese player so he can tell A-Rod "You have no MARBLES!!!!" I think he should remember and recite the playboy centerfolds interests and measurements when he's up at bat.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

maybe he needs to get his leather jacket back, wierd haircut and thick Duddley boys glasses back. THen when he comes to the plate they need to play his old song WILD THING. I miss Wild Thing A-rod he was cool.

RingWraith

06-16-2006, 05:13 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote: DirtyJersey wrote: RingWraith wrote: I think A-Rod needs to fire his therapist and get "Joe Boo". If not, Yanks another Japanese player so he can tell A-Rod "You have no MARBLES!!!!" I think he should remember and recite the playboy centerfolds interests and measurements when he's up at bat. maybe he needs to get his leather jacket back, wierd haircut and thick Duddley boys glasses back. THen when he comes to the plate they need to play his old song WILD THING. I miss Wild Thing A-rod he was cool.  "HAHAHAHA!!!  Oh you guys!!!"

BoondockSaint

06-16-2006, 05:17 PM

Another reason I think Jim Katt is a great announcer:Jim Kaat, 67, is leaning toward retirement after this season, but before then, the YES analyst apparently has some things he wants to get off his chest. To start his segment Wednesday night on "Yankees Batting Practice," Kaat unloaded a blunt message that seemed to come out of leftfield -- or, more precisely, out of the Yankee Stadium p.a. system. <div><a href="http://ad.doubleclick.net/click;h=v6|3407|0|0|*|n;34436751;1-0;0;12927893;4307-300|250;16667685|16685580|1;;~sscs=?http://www.ftc.edu" target="_top"><img height="6" alt="Click here to find out more!" src="http://m1.2mdn.net/viewad/1222817/1-GEN2.jpg" border="0" /></a> </div>"It's embarrassing to come to Yankee Stadium and have to try to talk to people with what we've got going on in the background," he said, referring to loud contemporary music blasting during b.p. "This is not a baseball atmosphere, but for some reason, that's what they do at this stadium more than any other, and it's an embarrassment to the game, really. With that out of the way, let's talk pitching."

HBox

06-16-2006, 05:30 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Another reason I think Jim Katt is a <strike>great announcer</strike> cranky old curmudgeon: Jim Kaat, 67, is leaning toward retirement after this season, but before then, the YES analyst apparently has some things he wants to get off his chest. To start his segment Wednesday night on "Yankees Batting Practice," Kaat unloaded a blunt message that seemed to come out of leftfield -- or, more precisely, out of the Yankee Stadium p.a. system.  *><a target="_top" href="http://ad.doubleclick.net/click;h=v6%7C3407%7C0%7C0%7C*%7Cn;34436751;1-0;0;12927893;4307-300%7C250;16667685%7C16685580%7C1;;%7Esscs=?http://www.ftc.edu"><img height="6" border="0" src="http://m1.2mdn.net/viewad/1222817/1-GEN2.jpg" alt="Click here to find out more!" /></a> "It's embarrassing to come to Yankee Stadium and have to try to talk to people with what we've got going on in the background," he said, referring to loud contemporary music blasting during b.p. "This is not a baseball atmosphere, but for some reason, that's what they do at this stadium more than any other, and it's an embarrassment to the game, really. With that out of the way, let's talk pitching."

Bulldogcakes

06-17-2006, 03:21 AM

<img width="300" height="300" border="0" src="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMigv5ZNE588A.rWjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=1223rpocp/EXP=1150629551/**http%3a//www.jrblacktear.com/BASEBALL/bERNIE.bmp" /> Nothing makes feel all warm and fuzzy more than seeing Bernie still having big nights for the Yanks.  BERN BABY BURN!!

RingWraith

06-17-2006, 08:20 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  <img height="300" src="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMigv5ZNE588A.rWjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=1223rpocp/EXP=1150629551/**http%3a//www.jrblacktear.com/BASEBALL/bERNIE.bmp" width="300" border="0" /> Nothing makes feel all warm and fuzzy more than seeing Bernie still having big nights for the Yanks.  BERN BABY BURN!! Do you think his number will be at least retired in Yankee Stadium.  (I think so!) I'm just wondering his level of status among the Yankee greats.And what about Paul O' Neil?  Nobody worn his number yet.

spoon

06-17-2006, 10:41 AM

I think Bernie got into Giambi's locker or something.  He was fucking done the last few years and now this.  Not to mention he's getting bigger.  Take a look.

HBox

06-17-2006, 01:04 PM

spoon wrote: I think Bernie got into Giambi's locker or something. He was fucking done the last few years and now this. Not to mention he's getting bigger. Take a look.  I hope you're joking. With you I can't tell.

Bulldogcakes

06-17-2006, 01:36 PM

Is Dotel ready yet? Now I understand why they cut Small this morning and brought up the reliever TJ Beam. This bullpen is sucking fumes (and donkey balls) right now. And when Mo gives up a lead + 2 runs, I give up. They couldn't hold a 7 run lead today between Chacon (who has reverted back to his old sucky self) and the pen.

Tenbatsuzen

06-17-2006, 01:38 PM

RingWraith wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Nothing makes feel all warm and fuzzy more than seeing Bernie still having big nights for the Yanks. BERN BABY BURN!! Do you think his number will be at least retired in Yankee Stadium. (I think so!) I'm just wondering his level of status among the Yankee greats.And what about Paul O' Neil? Nobody worn his number yet.   Huh? Bernie is one of the all-time Yankee greats, statistically speaking, and emotionally, he's up there in the echelon of beloved Yankees.  it's not a question of his number being retired, it's more of a question of when. He'll finish his career around 2400 hits and close to 300 HR's.  I'm not sure if that'll guarantee entrance to Cooperstown (usually it's 3000 or 400) but I'm sure that his post-season stats and other things may make him a better candidate than most. So, in other words -Retiring of Number for Bernie is a lock.Hall of Fame?  maybe.  If it was up to me, I don't know.I'm sure O'Neill's number will be retired as well.

Bulldogcakes

06-17-2006, 01:50 PM

RingWraith wrote:Do you think his number will be at least retired in Yankee Stadium. (I think so!) I'm just wondering his level of status among the Yankee greats.And what about Paul O' Neil? Nobody worn his number yet. No for both him and O'Niell. They were both wonderful players, but the Yanks already have <a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nyy/history/retired_numbers.jsp" target="_self" title="FIFTEEN retired numbers">FIFTEEN retired numbers</a>. A better case can be made for Bernie, since he's in the top 6 in so many categories as a Yankee (HR's, Runs, Hits, doubles, Walks, RBI). But I think that should be reserved for Hall of Famers, and I dont think Bernies one. But Guidry, Mattingly, Billy Martin, and Munson are all retired, and none of them are HOFers. <blockquote />

Tenbatsuzen

06-17-2006, 03:21 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: RingWraith wrote:Do you think his number will be at least retired in Yankee Stadium. (I think so!) I'm just wondering his level of status among the Yankee greats.And what about Paul O' Neil? Nobody worn his number yet. No for both him and O'Niell. They were both wonderful players, but the Yanks already have <a title="FIFTEEN retired numbers" target="_self" href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nyy/history/retired_numbers.jsp">FIFTEEN retired numbers</a>. A better case can be made for Bernie, since he's in the top 6 in so many categories as a Yankee (HR's, Runs, Hits, doubles, Walks, RBI). But I think that should be reserved for Hall of Famers, and I dont think Bernies one. But Guidry, Mattingly, Billy Martin, and Munson are all retired, and none of them are HOFers.    Fifteen retired numbers?  So then what's three more?  Jeter, O'Neill, and Williams.  Mariano's already grandfathered in with Jackie Robinson, so no one is wearing it when he's done anyway.  20 retired numbers still leaves 80 numbers (0, 00, and not counting 42) to play with.  <blockquote />

Bulldogcakes

06-18-2006, 05:12 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:Fifteen retired numbers? So then what's three more? Jeter, O'Neill, and Williams. Mariano's already grandfathered in with Jackie Robinson, so no one is wearing it when he's done anyway. 20 retired numbers still leaves 80 numbers (0, 00, and not counting 42) to play with.   Think about it. Torre's 6 will go a few years after he does, Jeter's 2, A-Rods 13. There are too many clear HOFers to start retiring the borderline guys. I expect Bernie's #51 will be retired, I just think its getting ridiculous. You need 40 available to make a roster, and I expect the Yanks to be in business 100 years from now. You're going to get to a point where guys will be wearing triple digits, and there's no room in monument park for new statues. But Bernie is both beloved (like Rizzuto, Mattingly and Munson) and is so high on the Club Stats that I expect he'll get his # retired. And I hope to be at the ballpark when he does.  <blockquote />

Bulldogcakes

06-18-2006, 05:18 AM

<a href="http://www.nypost.com/sports/deal_or_no_deal__sports_joel_sherman.htm" target="_self" title="From Joel Shermans NY Post article ">From Joel Shermans NY Post article </a>The Marlins would prioritize high-ceiling catcher
and center-field prospects for Willis, likely leaving the Dodgers and
Diamondbacks as the only organizations with deep enough systems to
oblige. One NL executive referred to it already as a "two-horse race."
As for Zito, an NL GM said, "[Oakland GM Billy] Beane wants 12 years of
good players for a half-year of Zito." Translation: The A's want two
high-level players who are each close to their full tenure (six
major-league seasons) from free agency to move Zito, who could be a
free agent after this year. Thus, one advanced scout speculated, "Zito
could only go to a big-market team with the confidence it will win a
bidding war to keep him long-term." Don't discount Toronto, however. Mets
GM Omar Minaya has confided to friends that he thinks he can get a top
starter, though he found the initial price for Zito (Lastings Milledge,
Aaron Heilman) unappetizing. The Mets feel they have an advantage in
locking up Zito long-term because of his strong relationship dating
back to Oakland with Mets pitching coach Rick Peterson. Yankee
GM Brian Cashman has indicated to his contemporaries that Robinson
Cano, Chien-Ming Wang and Philip Hughes are unavailable. If that is the
case, he will not land a top starter and could end up emphasizing a
corner outfielder and reliever. "It is possible," one Yankee official
said, "that we cannot get a starter better than Carl Pavano on the
market, so we just have to hope that Pavano gives us something."  Translation, dont hold your breath for the Yanks to make any big deals in the next two weeks. Both Zito and Soriano have made it very clear the would like to play for the Yankees, so it doesn't make sense to pay alot for them now. Wait for Dotel, wait for Pavano. <a href="http://www.nypost.com/sports/deal_or_no_deal__sports_joel_sherman.htm" target="_self" title="From Joel Shermans NY Post article "></a>

RingWraith

06-18-2006, 07:58 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a title="From Joel Shermans NY Post article " href="http://www.nypost.com/sports/deal_or_no_deal__sports_joel_sherman.htm" target="_self">From Joel Shermans NY Post article </a> The Marlins would prioritize high-ceiling catcher and center-field prospects for Willis, likely leaving the Dodgers and Diamondbacks as the only organizations with deep enough systems to oblige. One NL executive referred to it already as a "two-horse race." As for Zito, an NL GM said, "[Oakland GM Billy] Beane wants 12 years of good players for a half-year of Zito." Translation: The A's want two high-level players who are each close to their full tenure (six major-league seasons) from free agency to move Zito, who could be a free agent after this year. Thus, one advanced scout speculated, "Zito could only go to a big-market team with the confidence it will win a bidding war to keep him long-term." Don't discount Toronto, however. Mets GM Omar Minaya has confided to friends that he thinks he can get a top starter, though he found the initial price for Zito (Lastings Milledge, Aaron Heilman) unappetizing. The Mets feel they have an advantage in locking up Zito long-term because of his strong relationship dating back to Oakland with Mets pitching coach Rick Peterson. Yankee GM Brian Cashman has indicated to his contemporaries that Robinson Cano, Chien-Ming Wang and Philip Hughes are unavailable. If that is the case, he will not land a top starter and could end up emphasizing a corner outfielder and reliever. "It is possible," one Yankee official said, "that we cannot get a starter better than Carl Pavano on the market, so we just have to hope that Pavano gives us something."    Translation, dont hold your breath for the Yanks to make any big deals in the next two weeks. Both Zito and Soriano have made it very clear the would like to play for the Yankees, so it doesn't make sense to pay alot for them now. Wait for Dotel, wait for Pavano. <a title="From Joel Shermans NY Post article " href="http://www.nypost.com/sports/deal_or_no_deal__sports_joel_sherman.htm" target="_self"></a>I agree.And for my question about Bernie being retired, thanks to you and the others for replying.  Because the points you said is the same things that are on my mind.I think as far as monuments, that's only for the immortals.  But at least retiring 51, I think it will happen, but most likely not before Jeter, Rivera, and Torre. Paul O' Neil I still wonder because on one as worn 21 since he left.

Tenbatsuzen

06-18-2006, 08:57 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:Fifteen retired numbers? So then what's three more? Jeter, O'Neill, and Williams. Mariano's already grandfathered in with Jackie Robinson, so no one is wearing it when he's done anyway. 20 retired numbers still leaves 80 numbers (0, 00, and not counting 42) to play with. Think about it. Torre's 6 will go a few years after he does, Jeter's 2, A-Rods 13. There are too many clear HOFers to start retiring the borderline guys. I expect Bernie's #51 will be retired, I just think its getting ridiculous. You need 40 available to make a roster, and I expect the Yanks to be in business 100 years from now. You're going to get to a point where guys will be wearing triple digits, and there's no room in monument park for new statues. But Bernie is both beloved (like Rizzuto, Mattingly and Munson) and is so high on the Club Stats that I expect he'll get his # retired. And I hope to be at the ballpark when he does.    First, space in Monument Park is a moot point.  The whole stadium is being razed, and I'm sure New Monument park will have plenty of room. Secondly, unless he starts winning championships, it is doubtful that A-Rod's number will be retired.  Hall of Famer, sure, but he hasn't made that emotional connection with Yankee fans.  Tino Martinez has had more memorable post-season hits than A-Rod has, and no one is clamoring to retire his number. Just because you're a Yankee in the HOF does not guarantee retirement of your number.  Dave Winfield, Catfish Hunter, and Wade Boggs are all examples.  Goose Gossage, who was 10 percent from HOF induction, is also not retired.    <blockquote />

Tenbatsuzen

06-18-2006, 09:03 AM

One more thing about retired numbers - A good portion of players who have had their numbers retured are excellent Yankee players but are NOT Hall of Famers - Guidry, Mattingly, Munson (well, his retirement was mandated), Elston Howard, Maris, Billy Martin - which bolsters the case even more for Bernie and O'Neill, as they are probably not HOF bound.

Fallon

06-18-2006, 11:58 AM

Back to Back and Belly to Belly blown games!

Don Stugots

06-18-2006, 12:18 PM

i cant see the yanks going big right now for a trade when they might be able to pick up these same guys in the  off season.  i would love to see soriano back on the yanks in the outfield, but if Shef is healthy and same for Matusi, what would we need a top $$$ guy like him sitting on the bench for?  or am i missing something?

BoondockSaint

06-18-2006, 12:19 PM

That home run was somehow A-Rod's fault.

spoon

06-18-2006, 10:55 PM

Yankee fans jump on Jeter's cock soo quick it's hilarious.  Bernie's stats trump Jeter's by far right now, even though I know he's 5 years older.  Face it, Yankee fans are like little girls and love Jeter bc they think he's hot.  Just open up and show your inner-AROD.  Bernie<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" width="573" border="0"><tr class="textSm" align="center"><td width="34"> </td><td width="35">G</td><td width="35">AB</td><td width="35">R</td><td width="35">H</td><td width="30">2B</td><td width="30">3B</td><td width="30">HR</td><td width="35">RBI</td><td width="35">TB</td><td width="35">BB</td><td width="35">SO</td><td width="30">SB</td><td width="30">CS</td><td width="30">OBP</td><td width="30">SLG</td><td width="30">AVG</td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td align="center">2006</td><td>60</td><td>205</td><td>32</td><td>57</td><td>12</td><td>0</td><td>6</td><td>32</td><td>87</td><td>13</td><td>25</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>.318</td><td>.424</td><td>.278</td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td>Career</td><td>2005</td><td>7654</td><td>1333</td><td>2275</td><td>432</td><td>55</td><td>281</td><td>1228</td><td>3660</td><td>1049</td><td>1184</td><td>145</td><td>87</td><td>.382</td><td>.478</td><td>.297</td></tr></table>Jeter<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" width="573" border="0"><tr class="textSm" align="center"><td width="34"> </td><td width="35">G</td><td width="35">AB</td><td width="35">R</td><td width="35">H</td><td width="30">2B</td><td width="30">3B</td><td width="30">HR</td><td width="35">RBI</td><td width="35">TB</td><td width="35">BB</td><td width="35">SO</td><td width="30">SB</td><td width="30">CS</td><td width="30">OBP</td><td width="30">SLG</td><td width="30">AVG</td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td align="center">2006</td><td>62</td><td>247</td><td>48</td><td>84</td><td>16</td><td>2</td><td>5</td><td>44</td><td>119</td><td>36</td><td>45</td><td>14</td><td>2</td><td>.432</td><td>.482</td><td>.340</td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td>Career</td><td>1587</td><td>6414</td><td>1207</td><td>2020</td><td>324</td><td>49</td><td>174</td><td>807</td><td>2964</td><td>672</td><td>1134</td><td>229</td><td>59</td><td>.387</td><td>.462</td><td>.315</td></tr></table>And what about Posada?  One of the top five catchers over the last ten years.<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" width="573" border="0"><tr class="textSm" align="center"><td width="34"> </td><td width="35">G</td><td width="35">AB</td><td width="35">R</td><td width="35">H</td><td width="30">2B</td><td width="30">3B</td><td width="30">HR</td><td width="35">RBI</td><td width="35">TB</td><td width="35">BB</td><td width="35">SO</td><td width="30">SB</td><td width="30">CS</td><td width="30">OBP</td><td width="30">SLG</td><td width="30">AVG</td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td align="center">2006</td><td>57</td><td>182</td><td>27</td><td>54</td><td>9</td><td>0</td><td>9</td><td>37</td><td>90</td><td>34</td><td>33</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>.418</td><td>.495</td><td>.297</td></tr><tr class="textXs" align="center"><td>Career</td><td>1202</td><td>4025</td><td>615</td><td>1088</td><td>244</td><td>5</td><td>184</td><td>715</td><td

Tenbatsuzen

06-18-2006, 11:12 PM

[quote]spoon wrote: Yankee fans jump on Jeter's cock soo quick it's hilarious. Bernie's stats trump Jeter's by far right now, even though I know he's 5 years older. Face it, Yankee fans are like little girls and love Jeter bc they think he's hot. Just open up and show your inner-AROD. Bernie<table width="573" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr align="center" class="textSm"><td width="34"> </td><td width="35">G</td><td width="35">AB</td><td width="35">R</td><td width="35">H</td><td width="30">2B</td><td width="30">3B</td><td width="30">HR</td><td width="35">RBI</td><td width="35">TB</td><td width="35">BB</td><td width="35">SO</td><td width="30">SB</td><td width="30">CS</td><td width="30">OBP</td><td width="30">SLG</td><td width="30">AVG</td></tr><tr align="center" class="textXs"><td align="center">2006</td><td>60</td><td>205</td><td>32</td><td>57</td><td>12</td><td>0</td><td>6</td><td>32</td><td>87</td><td>13</td><td>25</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>.318</td><td>.424</td><td>.278</td></tr><tr align="center" class="textXs"><td>Career</td><td>2005</td><td>7654</td><td>1333</td><td>2275</td><td>432</td><td>55</td><td>281</td><td>1228</td><td>3660</td><td>1049</td><td>1184</td><td>145</td><td>87</td><td>.382</td><td>.478</td><td>.297</td></tr></table>Jeter<table width="573" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr align="center" class="textSm"><td width="34"> </td><td width="35">G</td><td width="35">AB</td><td width="35">R</td><td width="35">H</td><td width="30">2B</td><td width="30">3B</td><td width="30">HR</td><td width="35">RBI</td><td width="35">TB</td><td width="35">BB</td><td width="35">SO</td><td width="30">SB</td><td width="30">CS</td><td width="30">OBP</td><td width="30">SLG</td><td width="30">AVG</td></tr><tr align="center" class="textXs"><td align="center">2006</td><td>62</td><td>247</td><td>48</td><td>84</td><td>16</td><td>2</td><td>5</td><td>44</td><td>119</td><td>36</td><td>45</td><td>14</td><td>2</td><td>.432</td><td>.482</td><td>.340</td></tr><tr align="center" class="textXs"><td>Career</td><td>1587</td><td>6414</td><td>1207</td><td>2020</td><td>324</td><td>49</td><td>174</td><td>807</td><td>2964</td><td>672</td><td>1134</td><td>229</td><td>59</td><td>.387</td><td>.462</td><td>.315</td></tr></table>And what about Posada? One of the top five catchers over the last ten years.<table width="573" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr align="center" class="textSm"><td width="34"> </td><td width="35">G</td><td width="35">AB</td><td width="35">R</td><td width="35">H</td><td width="30">2B</td><td width="30">3B</td><td width="30">HR</td><td width="35">RBI</td><td width="35">TB</td><td width="35">BB</td><td width="35">SO</td><td width="30">SB</td><td width="30">CS</td><td width="30">OBP</td><td width="30">SLG</td><td width="30">AVG</td></tr><tr align="center" class="textXs"><td align="center">2006</td><td>57</td><td>182</td><td>27</td><td>54</td><td>9</td><td>0</td><td>9</td><td>37</td><td>90</td><td>34</td><td>33</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>.418</td><td>.495</td><td>.297</td></tr><tr align="center" class="textXs"><td>Career</td><td>1202</td><td>4025</td><td>615</td><td>1088</td><td>244</td><td>5</td><

Crippler

06-19-2006, 03:35 AM

Yankee fans jump on Jeter's cock soo quick it's hilarious.  Bernie's stats trump Jeter's by far right now, even though I know he's 5 years older.  Bernie has played in 420 mores games (more than two full seasons), has had 1200+ more ABs, and only has 250 more hits?!  Granted, Bernie is so high on many all-time Yankee lists it's amazing each time one is brought up.  But if you don't see how much more of a player Jeter is (and eventually will be), I'm afraid you, sir, are the one with the grade school crush.  You're the 10-year old boy who kicks the girl he really likes.edit:  Tenbats made my point...I really have to finish reading threads before responding.

This message was edited by Crippler on 6-19-06 @ 7:37 AM

spoon

06-19-2006, 02:36 PM

My point is simple and you've both taken it the wrong way.  Bernie has to have his number retired by the Yankees at this point.  He's one of the top four players a this past dominant Yankee era and was at one point their biggest power bat.  Jeter will of course have more hits in his career bc of his speed to make infield hits and he's a slightly better hitter.  Yet Bernie has the more feared power bat, especially in the past and was the main run producer.  They play different roles and both quite well.  I think people jump on Jeter, and kill him in Crip's case, bc he's the "wonder boy of NY.  When in fact he's struck out more this year and the last few years then Arod.  Yet he never gets shit bc he's Jeter.  Sure he's had some big moments, but even Rance Mullinicks and Candy Maldonado would if they played in the postseason every year on loaded teams.  Say what you want but it's not by chance the NYY get so many greats, they either take them or make their own better bc they're surrounded by studs all the time.  Hell, KC from the 50's to the 70's were the Yankee's major league farm team.  That's fair though. Bottom line, if Bernie's number has to be retired too.  Don't worry about Mo though, it's already retired that fucking douche.

Crippler

06-19-2006, 03:06 PM

If your point was only that Bernie's #51 will be reitred, I completely agree.  As much as the retired numbers section is getting out of hand, you can't deny that he was a lynch-pin to a dynasty & ranks on all-time Yankee lists of doubles, RBI, hits, etc. at levels you almost wouldn't believe.

Tenbatsuzen

06-19-2006, 03:23 PM

Yeah, Spoon, like I said, I don't know what the point of your post was... I am fully for the retirement of Bernie's, O'Neill's, and Jeter's numbers.  Rivera's retirement is automatic because of Jackie Robinson. There's a difference between going to the HOF - which I don't think Bernie will do - and getting your number retired -which I think will happen.

HBox

06-19-2006, 03:25 PM

Sure he's had some big moments, but even Rance
Mullinicks and Candy Maldonado would if they played in the postseason
every year on loaded teams.Stop. Just stop.

spoon

06-19-2006, 08:20 PM

Not gonna happen.  For example, Luis Sojo and even Paul Oneil.  Sojo had some huge hits and fielding moments in their playoff runs (so much they went back out and reacquired him).  Oneil wasn't on anyones radar until he played on the big stage and batted in a top to bottom strong lineup.  People wouldn't even know who he was if he stayed in Cin. Now go outside for once H.

Tenbatsuzen

06-19-2006, 08:42 PM

spoon wrote: Not gonna happen. For example, Luis Sojo and even Paul Oneil. Sojo had some huge hits and fielding moments in their playoff runs (so much they went back out and reacquired him). Oneil wasn't on anyones radar until he played on the big stage and batted in a top to bottom strong lineup. People wouldn't even know who he was if he stayed in Cin. Now go outside for once H.   Why are you even bring Sojo in this conversation?  It was fully admitted by Torre that Sojo was re-acquired because he's a "good luck charm".  Why for that matter are you even in this conversation?  This conversation was about Yankee fans wondering if NUMBERS WERE GOING TO BE RETIRED.  Not about if they should get into the HOF, which then, you, as a non-Yankee fan, can start pulling stats out of your ass and comparisons. Having your number retired is the ultimate show of respect by your team and your fans.  Since you are not a Yankee fan, and you've been so vocal about it, you really should have no opinion in this matter.  Don't...even...start about O'Neill.  First off, he had excellent years in 93, 94, and 95, before the lineup was "loaded".  I'm sure people were just quaking in their boots with a killer lineup like Spike Owen, Dion James, and Danny Tartabull. Do you REMEMBER the ovation he got before his last at-bat at Yankee Stadium in 2001?  Obviously not since you're not a fan.  But #21 is being retired.  So is #51, #6, #2, and #42.

spoon

06-19-2006, 08:54 PM

Not being a fan has absolutely nothing to do with it.  In fact, it makes me much less biased.  I was defending the fact that Bernie is every bit as deserving as Jeter to get his number retired.  Why the fuck do you keep going on about the HOF?  I haven't touched or mentioned it once.  I think it's obvious that I was defending Bernie and trying to add Posada to the debate.  In the process I was pointing out that Jeter gets a pass on sooo many levels bc he's Jeter.  His fielding is average at best, and isn't half as good as Yankee fans make him out to be.  You can rest assured that Bernie was every bit, if not more important to the most recent Yankee WS teams as compared to any other minus Mo.  He was the producer in the lineup, and without him they'd be in trouble. 

Tenbatsuzen

06-19-2006, 09:17 PM

spoon wrote: Not being a fan has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, it makes me much less biased. I was defending the fact that Bernie is every bit as deserving as Jeter to get his number retired. Why the fuck do you keep going on about the HOF? I haven't touched or mentioned it once. I think it's obvious that I was defending Bernie and trying to add Posada to the debate. In the process I was pointing out that Jeter gets a pass on sooo many levels bc he's Jeter. His fielding is average at best, and isn't half as good as Yankee fans make him out to be. You can rest assured that Bernie was every bit, if not more important to the most recent Yankee WS teams as compared to any other minus Mo. He was the producer in the lineup, and without him they'd be in trouble.    Oh?  Then why did you bash O'Neill needlessly, and quite wrong for that matter?

spoon

06-19-2006, 09:30 PM

So, you must believe this is unthinkable.  Not so.  Just bc he hit .300 a few times and throws his helmet doesn't make him a great player.  You're comparing this ass to the greats of all time in Yankeedom and all MLB for that matter.  It is easily up for debate.  If I was attacking Mo then I'd be wrong. 

Tenbatsuzen

06-19-2006, 09:49 PM

spoon wrote: So, you must believe this is unthinkable. Not so. Just bc he hit .300 a few times and throws his helmet doesn't make him a great player. You're comparing this ass to the greats of all time in Yankeedom and all MLB for that matter. It is easily up for debate. If I was attacking Mo then I'd be wrong. Hit .300 "a couple of times"? Try six seasons. In 1999 and 2000, he was sub-300 (.285 for both seasons) but still knocked in 100 RBI. Please show me where I compared him to the greats of MLB. We are all in agreement that they are good players. But stop with the bashing. I wasn't a big fan of O'Neill's theatrics, but he was an incredible intense player who never quit, and those qualities I can respect. Since you're so fond of whipping out stats, why don't you compare O'Neill's and Bernie's? O'Neill finished with 2105 hits, 281 HR, 1269 RBI, five All-Star appearances, and a career .288 average. Bernie has 2275. 281, 1228, five all-stars, and a .297 average. Although O'Neill had 17 seasons in MLB compared to Bernie's 15, O'Neill has 300 less AB's than Bernie. 

This message was edited by Tenbatsuzen on 6-20-06 @ 1:54 AM

spoon

06-19-2006, 10:06 PM

So six seasons of plus .300 is all it takes?  Arod only needs a few more huh?  You're right, O'Neil was a baseball god once he got himself on Jim Leyritz's special coffee.  By these standards Wade Boggs only needs one more .300 season with the Yanks to get his number retired.  Let's start the push here for a real Yankee like Boggs to get his number retired.  It's different for O'Neil bc he came from Cincy?    Speaking of tired, off to bed.  I'll pick this up tomorrow.

kellermcgee21

06-19-2006, 10:14 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Fifteen retired numbers? So then what's three more? Jeter, O'Neill, and Williams. Mariano's already grandfathered in with Jackie Robinson, so no one is wearing it when he's done anyway.  20 retired numbers still leaves 80 numbers (0, 00, and not counting 42) to play with.    Think about it. Torre's 6 will go a few years after he does, Jeter's 2, A-Rods 13. There are too many clear HOFers to start retiring the borderline guys. I expect Bernie's #51 will be retired, I just think its getting ridiculous. You need 40 available to make a roster, and I expect the Yanks to be in business 100 years from now. You're going to get to a point where guys will be wearing triple digits, and there's no room in monument park for new statues. But Bernie is both beloved (like Rizzuto, Mattingly and Munson) and is so high on the Club Stats that I expect he'll get his # retired. And I hope to be at the ballpark when he does.    First, space in Monument Park is a moot point.  The whole stadium is being razed, and I'm sure New Monument park will have plenty of room. Secondly, unless he starts winning championships, it is doubtful that A-Rod's number will be retired.  Hall of Famer, sure, but he hasn't made that emotional connection with Yankee fans.  Tino Martinez has had more memorable post-season hits than A-Rod has, and no one is clamoring to retire his number. Just because you're a Yankee in the HOF does not guarantee retirement of your number.  Dave Winfield, Catfish Hunter, and Wade Boggs are all examples.  Goose Gossage, who was 10 percent from HOF induction, is also not retired.   first off i am not a yankees fan but i will say i think a-rods number will get retired unless he spends the next decade on the dl.  he is 30 right now and will more than likely finish his career as a yank unless they go through a complete overhaul in the next couple years and trade their stars for prospects.even if a-rod doesn't win a championship, if he finishes his career with over 600 home runs, he will be a lock to have his number retired.  again i'm not a yankees fan and i'm pretty sure they will win at least one world series in the next decade.  this could be george's last decade as owner and I don't see him settling for a subpar last ten years.  and i know a-rod has cost the yanks the last couple years in the playoffs but any team in baseball would take him in a second if his salary wasn't twice the size of the florida marlins whole payroll.

Crippler

06-20-2006, 06:12 AM

In the process I was pointing out that Jeter gets a pass on sooo many levels bc he's Jeter.  His fielding is average at best, and isn't half as good as Yankee fans make him out to be.I've had baseball discussions with you in the past & I think you would agree that I'm not just a homer when it comes to the Yankees, but to make that statement is sheer lunacy.  I recently had a conversation with one of those Yankees fans who would have you believe Jeter's defense puts him in the same league as Rodriguez (as a SS), Ozzie Smith, Omar Vizquel, etc.  So I'm now attempting to argue this from both sides in under a week.  But as someone who has watched nearly every game Derek Jeter has ever played, to say Jeter is the best defensive shortstop of this era is just as asinine and just as inaccurate as saying he is "average at best."

Tenbatsuzen

06-20-2006, 06:45 AM

spoon wrote: So six seasons of plus .300 is all it takes? Arod only needs a few more huh? You're right, O'Neil was a baseball god once he got himself on Jim Leyritz's special coffee. By these standards Wade Boggs only needs one more .300 season with the Yanks to get his number retired. Let's start the push here for a real Yankee like Boggs to get his number retired. It's different for O'Neil bc he came from Cincy? Speaking of tired, off to bed. I'll pick this up tomorrow.    Now I know what it feels like for Mojo to fight with me. No one... NO ONE is clamoring for Boggs to have his Jersey retired.  He spent five seasons with the Yankees, and got one championship, and he had one of the most important BBs in team history.  He was on the decline when he left Boston.  He spent the MAJORITY of his career in Boston.  11 seasons.  O'Neill, on the other hand, spent nine years with the Yankees, all in his prime, and was there for ALL FOUR championships. O'Neill had six full seasons in Cincy (two cups of coffee) and nine seasons in New York.  The majority (and the glory) of his career was in NY. And if you read what I said before, I don't think A-Rod is going to get his number retired unless he makes an emotional connection with the fans, something I don't think he's done yet.

A.J.

06-20-2006, 07:04 AM

I'd even retire Pettite's 46.

Tenbatsuzen

06-20-2006, 07:08 AM

A.J. wrote: I'd even retire Pettite's 46.   Agreed, but the "official" reason that George let him walk is because he's "not one of George's guys".  The "unofficial" rumored reason is that Andy was a poonhound and his wife gave him an ultimatum - leave NYC and go home to Texas, or she leaves him. If the "official" reason is legit, then his number isn't going to be retired.

TheGameHHH

06-20-2006, 03:44 PM

why did i trade away ryan howard?

Bulldogcakes

06-20-2006, 04:26 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Don't...even...start about O'Neill. First off, he had excellent years in 93, 94, and 95, before the lineup was "loaded". I'm sure people were just quaking in their boots with a killer lineup like Spike Owen, Dion James, and Danny Tartabull. Do you REMEMBER the ovation he got before his last at-bat at Yankee Stadium in 2001? Obviously not since you're not a fan. But #21 is being retired. So is #51, #6, #2, and #42. Sorry, TB but O'Niell just doesn't make the cut in my book. He just doesn't have the numbers as a Yank to be retired. There have been alot of players that helped them win Championships, ones that meant more than O"Niell. Tommy Henrich, Hank Bauer, Wiate Hoyt, Allie Reynolds, Tony Lazzeri all come to mind. I know he's beloved, but you need to be BOTH a big producer for a long time and very popular to make the cut. Who's more well liked than Bobby Mercer? His #'s not going to be retired anytime soon. <a title="But what do I know " target="_self" href="http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2005/03/27/mlbpoll.html">But what do I know </a> [quote] <table width="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" border="0"><tr><td colspan="4">The
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11.8% </td>
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Joe
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Paul
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Bulldogcakes

06-20-2006, 04:28 PM

Moose has nothing, again.

Bulldogcakes

06-20-2006, 04:36 PM

<a href="http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060619/SPORTS01/606190354/1108" target="_self" title=" Ohhh Sorry! Sooo Sorry!"> Ohhh Sorry! Sooo Sorry!</a> Let's make a deal: Washington general manager Jim
Bowden sounds desperate to make a trade to prove himself to the team's
new ownership.Bowden told the Washington Post that a deal was
possible with the Yankees or Mets. The Yankees farm system, he said,
"is not that dry. It's wet enough for me."As for the Mets,
Bowden said that GM Omar Minaya "won't let a young player stand in the
way of a world championship for Mr. (Fred) Wilpon."The Nationals
have several players who would help the Mets or Yankees including
outfielders Alfonso Soriano and Jose Guillen and right-handers Livan
Hernandez and Tony Armas Jr. Only way it makes sense is if he comes cheap (I doubt it) or they want to sign him to play LF next year. OR if they (gulp!) have a deal in the works involving Cano. If they deal Cano it BETTER be for a pitcher, and a damn good one.

Tenbatsuzen

06-20-2006, 04:43 PM

Gee... Arod fucks up in the clutch.  Again.

Tenbatsuzen

06-20-2006, 04:44 PM

BTW, if I see this commercial with the vacant pretty boy putting the post-it notes on all his shit for "My Network TV" I'm gonna burn down someone's house. That stupid fucking look on his face when the tv says "MY NETWORK TV" makes me filled to the brim with rage.

HBox

06-20-2006, 05:29 PM

A-Rod fucks up in the clutch again. Way to hit a single. WE'RE ONLY TIED DOUCHE!

Tenbatsuzen

06-20-2006, 06:05 PM

HBox wrote: A-Rod fucks up in the clutch again. Way to hit a single. WE'RE ONLY TIED DOUCHE!    Calmo.  I was talking about the DP with runners in scoring positiong when the Yankees were down 5-4. Who knew that Hightower pitched for the Phillies? DAMON!

Tenbatsuzen

06-20-2006, 06:13 PM

Hey.  Look at that.  A-Rod hits into a DP. Again.

HBox

06-20-2006, 06:38 PM

He gets called out everytime he doesn't come through. Every single time. If that was done with Jeter, you could even make him look bad. A-Rod has nothing to prove in the reulgar season. He has everything to prove in the postseason.

zildjian361

06-20-2006, 06:57 PM

BERNIE 5 for 5    MO 0 for 1   that reaction in the dugout was the hilite this season so far. YANKS  getting loose , having fun this is what baseball is all about.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/clap.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/drunk.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/clap.gif" border="0" />

TheGameHHH

06-20-2006, 07:01 PM

yea, Mo's at-bat was hilarious. It was nice to see them battle back to get a win. Before this game they dropped 8 of 11, it's time to start a solid win streak.

DirtyJersey

06-21-2006, 12:20 PM

It was nice to see everyone having a good laugh at Mo's expense but I think if he moved up in the box a little he coulda made contact. I noticed that on the replay he came pretty close to maybe getting a hit.

Bulldogcakes

06-21-2006, 12:57 PM

How about when the Ump got hit square in the nuts? Never seen that before.  Bernie's 5 for 5 was the highlight of the game for me. #2 highlight was the huge hit that Melky got to tie the game up in the 8th. I hope that gets Melky back on track. I love the way this guy plays, and he  helps change the team from all or nothing power team to one that can build runs and score more ways than one. And then when the HR's come, they're gravy.

Don Stugots

06-21-2006, 01:05 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: How about when the Ump got hit square in the nuts? Never seen that before.  Bernie's 5 for 5 was the highlight of the game for me. #2 highlight was the huge hit that Melky got to tie the game up in the 8th. I hope that gets Melky back on track. I love the way this guy plays, and he  helps change the team from all or nothing power team to one that can build runs and score more ways than one. And then when the HR's come, they're gravy.   melky will contribute greatly as trade bait

Bulldogcakes

06-21-2006, 01:31 PM

Maybe, but I hope not. He ALREADY has excellent plate dicipline (OBP consistently 100 pts above his AVG)  and he's a baby. He has an excellent throwing arm, has made some incredible plays in the outfield. All he needs is to develop a little power, which I think he will. When Bernie came up, he was a twig and the Yanks told him to add some muscle, which he did. I think he can be a solid BLEND IN player. We dont need a linup of All-Stars. Look at the last few years of doing that, no rings. Thats no accident. The best Yankee team in our lifetimes was the 98 team. Not a single player was a starter in the 98 All Star team. Most were named to the team by Torre. Won 125 games.

Don Stugots

06-21-2006, 01:39 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Maybe, but I hope not. He ALREADY has excellent plate dicipline (OBP consistently 100 pts above his AVG)  and he's a baby. He has an excellent throwing arm, has made some incredible plays in the outfield. All he needs is to develop a little power, which I think he will. When Bernie came up, he was a twig and the Yanks told him to add some muscle, which he did. I think he can be a solid BLEND IN player. We dont need a linup of All-Stars. Look at the last few years of doing that, no rings. Thats no accident. The best Yankee team in our lifetimes was the 98 team. Not a single player was a starter in the 98 All Star team. Most were named to the team by Torre. Won 125 games. oh i agree with you 100% but i was pointing out what the Yanks front office might be thinking about him.

TheGameHHH

06-26-2006, 03:38 PM

um, go yanks

Tenbatsuzen

06-26-2006, 03:53 PM

I almost flipped on Michael Kay with Mussina the other day. Mussina was perfect through 3.2, and KAY OPENS HIS FUCKING MOUTH ABOUT IT. (The Giambino!) Focus:  Who the fuck talks abotu being perfect through LESS THAN FOUR INNINGS?  Of course, Mussina gives up the hits as soon as Kay opens his mouth.

Fallon

06-26-2006, 03:57 PM

Yeah, thats a big rule with these things.Beckett had one Friday night for five and a third. The announcers didn't mention it, but the graphic with score, hits and errors would stay up on the screen a little longer than normal, for the slow people.

Tenbatsuzen

06-26-2006, 04:00 PM

Fallon wrote: Yeah, thats a big rule with these things.Beckett had one Friday night for five and a third. The announcers didn't mention it, but the graphic with score, hits and errors would stay up on the screen a little longer than normal, for the slow people.    Especially since Musina was perfect through 8.2 against the Bosox a few years ago, fuck you carl everett

Fallon

06-26-2006, 04:16 PM

Holy crap, how bad are the Braves?!

Tenbatsuzen

06-26-2006, 04:21 PM

Fallon wrote: Holy crap, how bad are the Braves?!   It's about time that other teams in the NL East started stepping up.   BTW, Glavine - the guy that they "gave up on" and the Mets "overpaid" for - has 11 wins.

Bulldogcakes

06-26-2006, 05:23 PM

To be fair, Glavine has been more bad than good for the first 3 years of the deal. This is what the Mets thought they would get for all 4 years, not one. And were only halfway through this one, alot of time left in this season. I may actually watch the Mets game over my beloved Yanks for the next few days. Pedro coming back to Boston is must-see TV. And I will be rooting hard for those Metsies. SWEEP THOSE BEAN EATING BASTARDS!!!!   

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 6-26-06 @ 9:24 PM

RingWraith

06-26-2006, 11:27 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: To be fair, Glavine has been more bad than good for the first 3 years of the deal. This is what the Mets thought they would get for all 4 years, not one. And were only halfway through this one, alot of time left in this season. I may actually watch the Mets game over my beloved Yanks for the next few days. Pedro coming back to Boston is must-see TV. And I will be rooting hard for those Metsies. SWEEP THOSE BEAN EATING BASTARDS!!!!   This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 6-26-06 @ 9:24 PM You know what I'm afraid of.  That the NY Mets will treat this as an exhibition series and proposefully put all their bench and minor league players just to help the Red Sox stay in first place.  And to spite the NY Yankees since the Mets already have their division wrapped and sealed.

cougarjake13

06-27-2006, 05:29 PM

RingWraith wrote: You know what I'm afraid of.  That the NY Mets will treat this as an exhibition series and proposefully put all their bench and minor league players just to help the Red Sox stay in first place.  And to spite the NY Yankees since the Mets already have their division wrapped and sealed.maybe if it was september but in late june, i dont think so<img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

Tenbatsuzen

06-27-2006, 05:42 PM

Yanks down 2 runs, Man on second, A-Rod strikes out. And you wonder why he hasn't made that emotional connection with fans.

RingWraith

06-27-2006, 08:28 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: RingWraith wrote: You know what I'm afraid of.  That the NY Mets will treat this as an exhibition series and proposefully put all their bench and minor league players just to help the Red Sox stay in first place.  And to spite the NY Yankees since the Mets already have their division wrapped and sealed.maybe if it was september but in late june, i dont think so<img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />I actually said it in a jokeful way.  It will feel like when HBK and HHH had that "wrestling match" for europeon title and HBK just basically laid down for HHH to take the belt.And what da ya know!  The Mets lost.  I'm not surprised.  (I think I'm a little paranoid!)

Bulldogcakes

06-28-2006, 02:41 AM

Bad night for the locals. THat was the best shot the Mets had with the kid Lester going. Now they face Beckett and Schilling. Yanks cant beat up on weak teams like the Sox have lately. Yanks take 2 of 3 from the Nats and Phils, Sox sweep both. Now they have to beat Smoltz to take 2 of 3 from the Braves. What worries me more is they're getting good starting pitching, the problem has been the bullpen and scoring runs. Yanks are 4 back in the loss, and if they dont start playing better soon, this season could get away from them. No Wild Card to fall back on this year. Football season might start early this year.

RingWraith

06-28-2006, 07:50 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Bad night for the locals. THat was the best shot the Mets had with the kid Lester going. Now they face Beckett and Schilling. Yanks cant beat up on weak teams like the Sox have lately. Yanks take 2 of 3 from the Nats and Phils, Sox sweep both. Now they have to beat Smoltz to take 2 of 3 from the Braves. What worries me more is they're getting good starting pitching, the problem has been the bullpen and scoring runs. Yanks are 4 back in the loss, and if they dont start playing better soon, this season could get away from them. No Wild Card to fall back on this year. Football season might start early this year.  I WISH!!!  Unfortunately the Yanks lost 2 out of 3 against the Nats.  They could've swept them if they held on the second and third game.When was the last time the Yanks swept anybody??

crb1

06-28-2006, 08:14 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Yanks are 4 back in the loss, and if they dont start playing better soon, this season could get away from them. No Wild Card to fall back on this year. Football season might start early this year.  They are definitely in trouble right now.  The Red Sox are on fire, and the Yankees are just too crippled to keep up.  They finally get a good start from Wright that goes more than 5 innings, and a reliever comes in and immediately gives up a run.  And god-damned Farnsworth sucks!  He is the first guy I can remember that can throw in the upper-90's, but nibbles on the corners all of the time.  They need a starter that can put up 7 innings to go along with Unit, Moose, and Wang (who has eaten up a lot of innings lately).  I don't know who's available, but they just need someone to fill the 5 spot and get some innings.  And they have to hope Dotel will come back and save the bullpen.

badorties

06-28-2006, 08:15 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Yanks down 2 runs, Man on second, A-Rod strikes out.And you wonder why he hasn't made that emotional connection with fans.i try so hard to root for this guy, but seems to disappoint every single time ... i'm not a big stat guy but he's batting a decent .300 with runners in scoring position, but he always seems to do nothing when it mattershe also bats .244 (50 points less) after the 7th inning

TheGameHHH

06-28-2006, 09:42 AM

I'm heading down to Camden so I'm gonna miss the game, here's to hoping they can pull out a win.

Tenbatsuzen

06-28-2006, 11:41 AM

TheGameHHH wrote: I'm heading down to Camden 
   Good luck, bro.

Marist Mike

06-28-2006, 01:13 PM

It's about time, A Rod.....now I think we can all get off his back now and he can let his talent take over

badorties

06-28-2006, 01:16 PM

Marist Mike wrote: It's about time, A Rod.....now I think we can all get off his back now and he can let his talent take over i'd be more than happy to, but let's see a few more clutch moments incuding some meaningful post-season moments ...

Marist Mike

06-28-2006, 01:24 PM

i'd be more than happy to, but let's see a few more clutch moments incuding some meaningful post-season moments ...I understand your point, but this is a start...

Bulldogcakes

06-28-2006, 01:50 PM

badorties wrote: Marist Mike wrote: It's about time, A Rod.....now I think we can all get off his back now and he can let his talent take over i'd be more than happy to, but let's see a few more clutch moments incuding some meaningful post-season moments ... Yeah, I mean whjat does that make him 1 for 80 in big spots this year? I could get that out of Scott Brosius.  Butr hey, good for him. Now start playing like an MVP. This is a start.    <blockquote />

Tenbatsuzen

06-28-2006, 05:22 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: badorties wrote: Marist Mike wrote: It's about time, A Rod.....now I think we can all get off his back now and he can let his talent take over i'd be more than happy to, but let's see a few more clutch moments incuding some meaningful post-season moments ... Yeah, I mean whjat does that make him 1 for 80 in big spots this year? I could get that out of Scott Brosius. Butr hey, good for him. Now start playing like an MVP. This is a start.    Why the Scott Brosius namecheck?  If anything, Brosius OVERPERFORMED during his time in New York.  He was supposed to be the one weak spot in the lineup. When A-Rod came up to bat, I was at dinner with Liz before seeing Superman Returns.  I said, "Oh look.  It's A-Rod.  He's going to strike out here." Liz pshawed me, so I ate another nacho. He swung, and I was like... "Oh... he got all of that." That ball took FOREVER to come back down.  I couldn't believe it.  Put me in a good mood for the rest of the night.  <blockquote />

narc

06-28-2006, 05:51 PM

I love how Spoon's Jays thread just petered out. Because the Jays blow. I hope they die in a fire.

Bulldogcakes

06-28-2006, 06:06 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: SWEEP THOSE BEAN EATING BASTARDS!!!! 

     <img width="201" height="245" border="0" src="http://www.nndb.com/people/927/000031834/jimnorton03.jpg" /> ARE YOU!?! <blockquote />

Bulldogcakes

06-28-2006, 06:17 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:Why the Scott Brosius namecheck? If anything, Brosius OVERPERFORMED during his time in New York. He was supposed to be the one weak spot in the lineup.   Exactly. Nobody expected anything from Brosius, so the three or four times he did someything big as a Yank, it was a pleasant surprise. But A-Rod is supposed to be an all time great, and this is one of a small handful of times I can remember him doing something big in a big spot. Hence, the Brosius reference. I guess I need to see this monce or twice to change my opinion of A-Rod. If I closed my eyes and swung as hard as I can, I could hit a HR once every 80 ABs (in big spots) and I dont play baseball for a living. <blockquote />

RingWraith

06-28-2006, 08:06 PM

SHENANIGANS!!!!!!!  I declare Shenanigans on the Mets!!!!!  Two "drop fly balls", Pedro conveniently misses an opportunity to get a double-play.Mets and Red Sox are in this together!  Now watch the Mets all of a sudden do great at the Stadium in the weekend.Sorry, if my conspiracies are little crazy.

Davios

06-28-2006, 08:19 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Why the Scott Brosius namecheck? If anything, Brosius OVERPERFORMED during his time in New York. He was supposed to be the one weak spot in the lineup.    Exactly. Nobody expected anything from Brosius, so the three or four times he did someything big as a Yank, it was a pleasant surprise. But A-Rod is supposed to be an all time great, and this is one of a small handful of times I can remember him doing something big in a big spot. Hence, the Brosius reference. I guess I need to see this monce or twice to change my opinion of A-Rod. If I closed my eyes and swung as hard as I can, I could hit a HR once every 80 ABs (in big spots) and I dont play baseball for a living.     He took the A's deep in extra innings to win two years ago, he took Schilling deep to win the game in his big comeback, he doubled in the bottom of the ninth against the Mets to win a game in a crucial series in which the Yanks could have been swept last season, he practically single handedly won two games against Minnesota in the playoffs to have the Yankees advance. One of which they only won on a run which he created by singling, stealing second, stealing third, and coming home on a wild pitch. In extra innings he took Nathan to the wall to win the game. Listen, the guy is a scapegoat. If the Yankees lost today the blame would have been pinned squarely on Alex when he wasn't the one who couldn't get a run home from third with 0 outs. If people want to take their anger out on Alex, then so be it. They are entitled to do whatever they want, however, its stupid to say he has 1 big hit when he has had a ton of them.

This message was edited by Davios on 6-29-06 @ 12:21 AM

HBox

06-28-2006, 08:44 PM

Thank you sir, you speak the truth.

RingWraith

06-28-2006, 09:51 PM

Davios wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Why the Scott Brosius namecheck? If anything, Brosius OVERPERFORMED during his time in New York. He was supposed to be the one weak spot in the lineup.    Exactly. Nobody expected anything from Brosius, so the three or four times he did someything big as a Yank, it was a pleasant surprise. But A-Rod is supposed to be an all time great, and this is one of a small handful of times I can remember him doing something big in a big spot. Hence, the Brosius reference. I guess I need to see this monce or twice to change my opinion of A-Rod. If I closed my eyes and swung as hard as I can, I could hit a HR once every 80 ABs (in big spots) and I dont play baseball for a living.     He took the A's deep in extra innings to win two years ago, he took Schilling deep to win the game in his big comeback, he doubled in the bottom of the ninth against the Mets to win a game in a crucial series in which the Yanks could have been swept last season, he practically single handedly won two games against Minnesota in the playoffs to have the Yankees advance. One of which they only won on a run which he created by singling, stealing second, stealing third, and coming home on a wild pitch. In extra innings he took Nathan to the wall to win the game. Listen, the guy is a scapegoat. If the Yankees lost today the blame would have been pinned squarely on Alex when he wasn't the one who couldn't get a run home from third with 0 outs. If people want to take their anger out on Alex, then so be it. They are entitled to do whatever they want, however, its stupid to say he has 1 big hit when he has had a ton of them.This message was edited by Davios on 6-29-06 @ 12:21 AM  The problem is that most Yankee fans are fickle.  They easily forget what the guy has done for the Yanks in the past, and have the attitude of a "What have you done for me lately?!"

Davios

06-28-2006, 10:30 PM

RingWraith wrote: Davios wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Why the Scott Brosius namecheck? If anything, Brosius OVERPERFORMED during his time in New York. He was supposed to be the one weak spot in the lineup.   [quote] Exactly. Nobody expected anything from Brosius, so the three or four times he did someything big as a Yank, it was a pleasant surprise. But A-Rod is supposed to be an all time great, and this is one of a small handful of times I can remember him doing something big in a big spot. Hence, the Brosius reference. I guess I need to see this monce or twice to change my opinion of A-Rod. If I closed my eyes and swung as hard as I can, I could hit a HR once every 80 ABs (in big spots) and I dont play baseball for a living.     He took the A's deep in extra innings to win two years ago, he took Schilling deep to win the game in his big comeback, he doubled in the bottom of the ninth against the Mets to win a game in a crucial series in which the Yanks could have been swept last season, he practically single handedly won two games against Minnesota in the playoffs to have the Yankees advance. One of which they only won on a run which he created by singling, stealing second, stealing third, and coming home on a wild pitch. In extra innings he took Nathan to the wall to win the game. Listen, the guy is a scapegoat. If the Yankees lost today the blame would have been pinned squarely on Alex when he wasn't the one who couldn't get a run home from third with 0 outs. If people want to take their anger out on Alex, then so be it. They are entitled to do whatever they want, however, its stupid to say he has 1 big hit when he has had a ton of them.This message was edited by Davios on 6-29-06 @ 12:21 AM  The problem is that most Yankee fans are fickle.  They easily forget what the guy has done for the Yanks in the past, and have the attitude of a "What have you done for me lately?!"   No question about it. The success of the Yankees have created one of the worst if not THE worst fanbase in all of baseball. People no longer show up to cheer fo their team, instead people show up because it is the biggest show in town. That is why if a guy who is going to go down as one of the best players to step foot on the field doesn't hit a ball out every other at bat, he is going to be jeered and booed. Here is a spectacular player who got into the biggest slump of his career and rather than try and pull him through it, people simply jumped on him. Not only that, Yankee fans are in large part INCREDIBLY uninformed and just spout out stupid ass statements that they simply present as facts. Has Arod been good this season close and late? No, and that is almost entirely due to him going through the worst slump of his career. When these people want to preach about how the man has NEVER come through, they should actually look at facts. If not for Alex the Yankees don't make it out of Minnesota two years ago. It's that simple, they get tossed in the first round. If not for Alex last season, the Yankees lose the division and don't make it into the playoffs.It pains me to say it but Yankee fans have indeed become fickle brats, not necessarily the older ones but the new ones who have hopped on because it is the trendy thing to do. Every time I hear preaching about the great Yankee fan I have to laugh, Cardinals fans are the best fans in the game hands down and really it is not even close. It is for that reason that

Bulldogcakes

06-29-2006, 01:35 PM

Davios wrote:If people want to take their anger out on Alex, then so be it. They are entitled to do whatever they want, however, its stupid to say he has 1 big hit when he has had a ton of them.

 No its not. I'm talking about THIS YEAR, which is why I said in the last 80 chances, and not the last 3 years. If you dont think he's choked in almost every big spot he's had this year then you're clueless. Look at his #'s in clutch spots this year. Awful. He's admitted it, Torre's admitted it, and everyone who ACTUALLY WATCHES THE GAMES knows it. A better argument for you would be whether or not its counter productive for Yankee fans to boo him. Because it only makes him press harder. And if would stop trying to force the game and let it come to him (do less) he would do better in those spots. He doesn't need to hit HR's in big spots, he just needs to get base hits and fans would leave him alone. That I would agree with, and thats why I dont boo him when I'm at a game. But I guess his ego is such he wants to hit the HR, and when you're trying to hit HR's, you almost never do. Some players are more than their #'s, you have to see them everyday to appreciate what they bring to a team. Jeter is a prime example of that. Then there are guys who pile up stats, but fans that watch them everyday will tell you those #'s are hollow. I haven't put A-Rod in that category yet, but its getting close. 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 6-29-06 @ 5:52 PM

Bulldogcakes

06-29-2006, 01:47 PM

Davios wrote:No question about it. The success of the Yankees have created one of the worst if not THE worst fanbase in all of baseball. People no longer show up to cheer fo their team, instead people show up because it is the biggest show in town. That is why if a guy who is going to go down as one of the best players to step foot on the field doesn't hit a ball out every other at bat, he is going to be jeered and booed. Here is a spectacular player who got into the biggest slump of his career and rather than try and pull him through it, people simply jumped on him. Not only that, Yankee fans are in large part INCREDIBLY uninformed and just spout out stupid ass statements that they simply present as facts. Has Arod been good this season close and late? No, and that is almost entirely due to him going through the worst slump of his career. When these people want to preach about how the man has NEVER come through, they should actually look at facts. If not for Alex the Yankees don't make it out of Minnesota two years ago. It's that simple, they get tossed in the first round. If not for Alex last season, the Yankees lose the division and don't make it into the playoffs.It pains me to say it but Yankee fans have indeed become fickle brats, not necessarily the older ones but the new ones who have hopped on because it is the trendy thing to do. Every time I hear preaching about the great Yankee fan I have to laugh, Cardinals fans are the best fans in the game hands down and really it is not even close. It is for that reason that as a Yankee fan I sincerely hope the Mets DO have tremendous success, if for nothing more than to have these same idiots migrate to Shea. Go fuck yourself you pompous shithead. I've been watching the Yanks since 1977, and you have no idea what it means to be a Yankee fan. You're fucking lost, and judging by this post I doubt your actually a Yankee fan. Yankee fans dont just go to the ballpark to watch a ballgame, they go to watch them WIN. And true Yankees like Jeter EMBRACE those expectations, and have the same expectations themselves. Pompous shitheads who want to feel superior talk about how unreasonable that sounds. Well, the Owner, Manager, GM, and team captain all have the same expectations. And Cardinal fans are the biggest pussies in Baseball. LITERALLY a bunch of old ladies who never boo because it might hurt someones feelings.  <blockquote />

Don Stugots

06-29-2006, 04:08 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Davios wrote: No question about it. The success of the Yankees have created one of the worst if not THE worst fanbase in all of baseball. People no longer show up to cheer fo their team, instead people show up because it is the biggest show in town. That is why if a guy who is going to go down as one of the best players to step foot on the field doesn't hit a ball out every other at bat, he is going to be jeered and booed. Here is a spectacular player who got into the biggest slump of his career and rather than try and pull him through it, people simply jumped on him. Not only that, Yankee fans are in large part INCREDIBLY uninformed and just spout out stupid ass statements that they simply present as facts. Has Arod been good this season close and late? No, and that is almost entirely due to him going through the worst slump of his career. When these people want to preach about how the man has NEVER come through, they should actually look at facts. If not for Alex the Yankees don't make it out of Minnesota two years ago. It's that simple, they get tossed in the first round. If not for Alex last season, the Yankees lose the division and don't make it into the playoffs.It pains me to say it but Yankee fans have indeed become fickle brats, not necessarily the older ones but the new ones who have hopped on because it is the trendy thing to do. Every time I hear preaching about the great Yankee fan I have to laugh, Cardinals fans are the best fans in the game hands down and really it is not even close. It is for that reason that as a Yankee fan I sincerely hope the Mets DO have tremendous success, if for nothing more than to have these same idiots migrate to Shea. Go fuck yourself you pompous shithead. I've been watching the Yanks since 1977, and you have no idea what it means to be a Yankee fan. You're fucking lost, and judging by this post I doubt your actually a Yankee fan. Yankee fans dont just go to the ballpark to watch a ballgame, they go to watch them WIN. And true Yankees like Jeter EMBRACE those expectations, and have the same expectations themselves. Pompous shitheads who want to feel superior talk about how unreasonable that sounds. Well, the Owner, Manager, GM, and team captain all have the same expectations. And Cardinal fans are the biggest pussies in Baseball. LITERALLY a bunch of old ladies who never boo because it might hurt someones feelings.   i dont get whay he is trying to say here.  we are not supposed to want our team to win it all every year?  i guess that is what a Cardinals fan does.  Root for your team but tell them they dont have to win it all.  On a side note, A-Rod will be remember as one of the all time greats.  Hands down.  But he was mired in a horrible dry spell.  I hope he is out of it now.

HBox

06-29-2006, 07:29 PM

we are not supposed to want our team to win it all every year?I THINK the point was don't have a childish hissy fit over every little bad thing.

Davios

06-29-2006, 10:18 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Davios wrote: [quote]No question about it. The success of the Yankees have created one of the worst if not THE worst fanbase in all of baseball. People no longer show up to cheer fo their team, instead people show up because it is the biggest show in town. That is why if a guy who is going to go down as one of the best players to step foot on the field doesn't hit a ball out every other at bat, he is going to be jeered and booed. Here is a spectacular player who got into the biggest slump of his career and rather than try and pull him through it, people simply jumped on him. Not only that, Yankee fans are in large part INCREDIBLY uninformed and just spout out stupid ass statements that they simply present as facts. Has Arod been good this season close and late? No, and that is almost entirely due to him going through the worst slump of his career. When these people want to preach about how the man has NEVER come through, they should actually look at facts. If not for Alex the Yankees don't make it out of Minnesota two years ago. It's that simple, they get tossed in the first round. If not for Alex last season, the Yankees lose the division and don't make it into the playoffs.It pains me to say it but Yankee fans have indeed become fickle brats, not necessarily the older ones but the new ones who have hopped on because it is the trendy thing to do. Every time I hear preaching about the great Yankee fan I have to laugh, Cardinals fans are the best fans in the game hands down and really it is not even close. It is for that reason that as a Yankee fan I sincerely hope the Mets DO have tremendous success, if for nothing more than to have these same idiots migrate to Shea. Go fuck yourself you pompous shithead. I've been watching the Yanks since 1977, and you have no idea what it means to be a Yankee fan. You're fucking lost, and judging by this post I doubt your actually a Yankee fan. Yankee fans dont just go to the ballpark to watch a ballgame, they go to watch them WIN. And true Yankees like Jeter EMBRACE those expectations, and have the same expectations themselves. Pompous shitheads who want to feel superior talk about how unreasonable that sounds. Well, the Owner, Manager, GM, and team captain all have the same expectations. And Cardinal fans are the biggest pussies in Baseball. LITERALLY a bunch of old ladies who never boo because it might hurt someones feelings.  [quote]You think any fanbase wants to lose????? Obviously every fan wants their team to win the game. The difference is that fanbases like those of the Cardinals and even Red Sox fans (which I hate to admit but will) still drew crowds when their teams WEREN'T in contention. Quite the concept isn't it??? Show up to root your team on even if they aren't winning???? Amazing........ How do they do it????? You state you're a Yankee fan since 1977, did you SEE Yankee stadium in the early 90s when guys like Mattingly were blasting balls into a sea of empty seats??? I know I saw it first hand throughout the eighties into the nineties, just like I saw it fill back up in 96 when the Yankees were back to winning. I call that being fair-fucking-weather, not being a fan.You think it's pompous to accept the fact that your team just might not win every damn year based on sheer fucking luck alone, yet still expect fans to support their god damn team??? When the Yankees recently lost to the Oakland A's the last series they played, did you listen to "Yankee Fans" chant Yankees suck in Yankee fucking stadium??? I did, and was quite disgusted by it.  I suppose of course that it was acceptable just lke booing is, because after all the Yankees did lose right?Don't accuse me of being the pompous arrogant one when you somehow feel that unless your team wins every time out they aren't good enough for your fucking affiliation w

TheGameHHH

06-29-2006, 10:25 PM

I was at the first and third games of that last Oakland series, not
once did I hear a Yankees suck chant. Maybe you got confused with the 5
A's fans in attendence.

Davios

06-29-2006, 10:29 PM

It was the final game of the series following them being swept. I was at the stadium and did not hear it firsthand but my brother tivoed the game and even called me to ask me what the hell that was all about. It was quite audible over the YES broadcast, and I doubt that the contingent of A's fans present would be able to get on the mics. I also watched the end of it when my brother brought it up and it was absolutely there.

This message was edited by Davios on 6-30-06 @ 2:32 AM

Don Stugots

06-30-2006, 03:10 AM

Davios wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:  [quote]Davios wrote: [quote]No question about it. The success of the Yankees have created one of the worst if not THE worst fanbase in all of baseball. People no longer show up to cheer fo their team, instead people show up because it is the biggest show in town. That is why if a guy who is going to go down as one of the best players to step foot on the field doesn't hit a ball out every other at bat, he is going to be jeered and booed. Here is a spectacular player who got into the biggest slump of his career and rather than try and pull him through it, people simply jumped on him. Not only that, Yankee fans are in large part INCREDIBLY uninformed and just spout out stupid ass statements that they simply present as facts. Has Arod been good this season close and late? No, and that is almost entirely due to him going through the worst slump of his career. When these people want to preach about how the man has NEVER come through, they should actually look at facts. If not for Alex the Yankees don't make it out of Minnesota two years ago. It's that simple, they get tossed in the first round. If not for Alex last season, the Yankees lose the division and don't make it into the playoffs.It pains me to say it but Yankee fans have indeed become fickle brats, not necessarily the older ones but the new ones who have hopped on because it is the trendy thing to do. Every time I hear preaching about the great Yankee fan I have to laugh, Cardinals fans are the best fans in the game hands down and really it is not even close. It is for that reason that as a Yankee fan I sincerely hope the Mets DO have tremendous success, if for nothing more than to have these same idiots migrate to Shea. Go fuck yourself you pompous shithead. I've been watching the Yanks since 1977, and you have no idea what it means to be a Yankee fan. You're fucking lost, and judging by this post I doubt your actually a Yankee fan. Yankee fans dont just go to the ballpark to watch a ballgame, they go to watch them WIN. And true Yankees like Jeter EMBRACE those expectations, and have the same expectations themselves. Pompous shitheads who want to feel superior talk about how unreasonable that sounds. Well, the Owner, Manager, GM, and team captain all have the same expectations. And Cardinal fans are the biggest pussies in Baseball. LITERALLY a bunch of old ladies who never boo because it might hurt someones feelings.  [quote]You think any fanbase wants to lose????? Obviously every fan wants their team to win the game. The difference is that fanbases like those of the Cardinals and even Red Sox fans (which I hate to admit but will) still drew crowds when their teams WEREN'T in contention. Quite the concept isn't it??? Show up to root your team on even if they aren't winning???? Amazing........ How do they do it????? You state you're a Yankee fan since 1977, did you SEE Yankee stadium in the early 90s when guys like Mattingly were blasting balls into a sea of empty seats??? I know I saw it first hand throughout the eighties into the nineties, just like I saw it fill back up in 96 when the Yankees were back to winning. I call that being fair-fucking-weather, not being a fan.You think it's pompous to accept the fact that your team just might not win every damn year based on sheer fucking luck alone, yet still expect fans to support their god damn team??? When the Yankees recently lost to the Oakland A's the last series they played, did you listen to "Yankee Fans" chant Yankees suck in Yankee fucking stadium??? I did, and was quite disgusted by it.  I suppose of course that it was acceptable just lke booing is, because after all the Yankees did lose right?Don't accuse me of being the pompous arrogant one when you somehow feel that unless your team wins every time out they

Davios

06-30-2006, 08:41 AM

Stugots, essentially that is my point. Your only real duty as a fan is to root for your team or organization. Booing certainly does not further that goal in any way shape or form. The idea, however, that Yankees fans go to see their team win not play is quite pompous and arrogant. Every single fan wants to see their team win, you don't go to a game to see your damn team lose. The difference is that at places like Busch Stadium, fans showed up even when their team was losing. The people booing now are the same ones who suddenly showed up in 96 after a decade of having nothing to do with the Yankees. The same ones who reminisce about Don Mattingly when that stadium was completely barren back then and they wanted to know nothign about the Yankees. I was there I saw it firsthand many times. So I'm sorry that I don't feel that my team has the best fans in the world. They don't. I am certainly not going to kid myself into thinking they do. Making the postseason is not the right of every Yankees fan, I don't care how bad the owner wants to win or how much of a payroll you invest in your team. Anyone who watched the Yankees in the eighties knows that. What did George's desire to be the best just suddenly reappear in 96? No, it was there when they were bad too. 

This message was edited by Davios on 6-30-06 @ 12:55 PM

Bulldogcakes

06-30-2006, 01:35 PM

Davios wrote: You state you're a Yankee fan since 1977, did you SEE Yankee stadium in the early 90s when guys like Mattingly were blasting balls into a sea of empty seats??? I know I saw it first hand throughout the eighties into the nineties, just like I saw it fill back up in 96 when the Yankees were back to winning. I call that being fair-fucking-weather, not being a fan.You think it's pompous to accept the fact that your team just might not win every damn year based on sheer fucking luck alone, yet still expect fans to support their god damn team??? When the Yankees recently lost to the Oakland A's the last series they played, did you listen to "Yankee Fans" chant Yankees suck in Yankee fucking stadium??? I did, and was quite disgusted by it. I suppose of course that it was acceptable just lke booing is, because after all the Yankees did lose right?Don't accuse me of being the pompous arrogant one when you somehow feel that unless your team wins every time out they aren't good enough for your fucking affiliation with them. Yankee fans root on the Yankees, this isn't the damn Roman Collesium where they give the thumbs up or down if they are or aren't satisfied. God I would love to see you root for an organization like the Cubs.

 Well, guess what. If my favorite actor puts out a shit movie, I'm not going to see it. And if my favorite Baseball team puts out a shit product, dont be surprised when attendance goes down. I'll still watch, but not as much. And you're full of shit if you want to claim that you went out of your way to watch them everyday when they sucked. Now the games are more meaningful, I and alot of other people and plan my days around them. Welcome to planet Earth. Weather's great. And I dont expect the Yanks to win it all every year, and if you've read any of my posts you'd know that I wasn't even bothered by the 2001 series, despite all the drama. Cant win em all. But as long as they're keeping score, you do everything you can to win, period. And Mariano's not getting any younger, so I have an increased sense of urgency in the past few years, because you almost certainly wont see one like him again. And I WAS AT the last game of the Oakland series, when Randy got bombed and didn't hear one Yankees suck chant. And even if there was, if the team is playing like shit, they deserve to get booed. You love ST Louis and Boston so much? MOVE. New York isn't a kissy face town. Tino Martinez was booed mercilessly his first year w/the Yanks. Jeter was booed a few years back when he was struggling, Reggie used to get booed AT HOME when he struck out (which he did alot) and even Mantle was booed towards the end of his career. I'm been reading a biography of Ruth lately and BABE RUTH was booed at the peak of his career, and alot at the end of it. This has NOTHING to do with newcomer bandwagon Yankee fans. ITS CALLED BASEBALL. And your precious Red Sox fans used to boo Ted Williams so much he wouldn't even tip his cap when he hit a HR on his last AB. Grow up. 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 6-30-06 @ 5:51 PM

kellermcgee21

06-30-2006, 02:32 PM

.   And Cardinal fans are the biggest pussies in Baseball. LITERALLY a bunch of old ladies who never boo because it might hurt someones feelings.   fuck off bulldog...you know shit about the cardinals or their fanbase...how about we understand that there are alot of teams and only one team will win the world series on a given year so if our team falls short then its okay...obviously we want to win it all but if it doesn't happen....it doesn't happenand the cardinals fans are not pussies for not booing...we realize its a 162 game fuckin season and players have slumps and hot streaks...rolen is a player who hasn't really performed in the postseason but nobody boos him in june if he has a bad game....A-ROD WAS THE FUCKIN MVP LAST YEAR...he changed positions to play for your team and you treat him like shit, you should trade him if you don't want him

Bulldogcakes

06-30-2006, 03:00 PM

kellermcgee21 wrote:fuck off bulldog...you know shit about the cardinals or their fanbase...  I know this. There's nothing else to do in St Louis (unlike NY) and half the people in the stands when I watch the games on ESPN are old ladies. Wearing their silly red shirts. And if you dont drink, there's nothing else to do in Boston, either. Plus they only have 35k seats to fill.

Don Stugots

06-30-2006, 03:22 PM

kellermcgee21 wrote: .    fuck off bulldog...you know shit about the cardinals or their fanbase...how about we understand that there are alot of teams and only one team will win the world series on a given year so if our team falls short then its okay...obviously we want to win it all but if it doesn't happen....it doesn't happenand the cardinals fans are not pussies for not booing...we realize its a 162 game fuckin season and players have slumps and hot streaks...rolen is a player who hasn't really performed in the postseason but nobody boos him in june if he has a bad game....A-ROD WAS THE FUCKIN MVP LAST YEAR...he changed positions to play for your team and you treat him like shit, you should trade him if you don't want himyeah, bulldog, i hear you at every fucking game booing the guy.  I see you throwing shit at him.  you yell shit at the guy about how hot his wife is.  you never wanted him on your team and you never cut him any slack.

zildjian361

06-30-2006, 03:59 PM

El Duque in a Met uniform just plain sucks.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbdown.gif" border="0" />

This message was edited by zildjian361 on 6-30-06 @ 8:06 PM

Bulldogcakes

06-30-2006, 04:11 PM

I know. I'm actually torn between my team and one of my all time favorite plyers. I hope he pitches well and they beat the bullpen. Or it just ends 1-0. Kay had an unbelievable stat just now. From July 1st of last year to today (basically one calendar year) Giambi has hit 51 HR's and had 128 RBI's. Wow. Another thing caught my attention. One topic of the YES pre game was "Were the Mets exposed against the Bosox?" and all three agreed they were, including Lieter.

Don Stugots

06-30-2006, 05:09 PM

just like a yankee fan to bulldog to ignore the issue.  (yes i am goofing on you)

Bulldogcakes

07-01-2006, 10:28 AM

Bases loaded, nobody out. A-Rod up at the plateCarnac says. .  <img width="202" height="152" border="0" src="http://www.randyandjohn.com/diaryland/aaa_blog/images/2005/January/01-24/johnny00.jpg" />  STRIKE THREE!  No BASE HIT!

Davios

07-01-2006, 12:58 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Bases loaded, nobody out. A-Rod up at the plateCarnac says. .  <img height="152" src="http://www.randyandjohn.com/diaryland/aaa_blog/images/2005/January/01-24/johnny00.jpg" width="202" border="0" />  STRIKE THREE!  No BASE HIT!  You're right, you support the guy as long as he performs. Which is the explanation for posts such as this.

badorties

07-01-2006, 05:16 PM

it was impressive to see another meaningless a-bomb from a-rod this afternoon ... i wanna be in this guy's corner, but he makes it kind of difficult

Don Stugots

07-01-2006, 05:26 PM

Davios wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Bases loaded, nobody out. A-Rod up at the plateCarnac says. .  <img height="152" src="http://www.randyandjohn.com/diaryland/aaa_blog/images/2005/January/01-24/johnny00.jpg" width="202" border="0" />  STRIKE THREE!  No BASE HIT!You're right, you support the guy as long as he performs. Which is the explanation for posts such as this.what was Bulldog supposed to do, say "nice job A-rod?" get the fuck off his ass.

HBox

07-01-2006, 05:31 PM

badorties wrote: it was impressive to see another meaningless a-bomb from a-rod this afternoon ... i wanna be in this guy's corner, but he makes it kind of difficult  Yeah, with him not hitting game winning home runs everyday it is incredibly difficult.<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/rolleyes.gif" />

Davios

07-01-2006, 06:51 PM

badorties wrote:  it was impressive to see another meaningless a-bomb from a-rod this afternoon ... i wanna be in this guy's corner, but he makes it kind of difficultHe did have an rbi single when it still was a ballgame.

Bulldogcakes

07-02-2006, 05:03 AM

Its good to see A-Rod swinging the bat better lately, but I'm getting an increasing feeling that this just isn't thier year. No Wild Card to fall back on, and with all the injuries they've had the lineup can be weak some days, especially when Bernie and Posada get days off and are replaced with Bubba and Stinnett. Pitching wise, its pretty clear Johnson will have one of these blowouts every so often even when he's going well. And they just cant make up the deficits anymore with their depleted lineup. 4 games out, no need to panic yet with 3 months left in the season. But The Red Sox just came off a 12 game winning streak. I dont think the Yanks are capable of that, and by the time they are (in September) it may be too late. Best hope right now is for the BoSox babies (Lester, Papelbon, Hanson) to come back down to earth as the league adjusts to them. Or maybe Beckett will have one of his patented 4 week stints on the DL, like he  usually does. If the Bosox babies are for real, then were in big trouble.  BTW- Anyone else notice A-Rod crediting Lou Pinella with helping him get out of his current slump? Hmmmm. Intresting. If Torre misses the playoffs this year, I doubt he'll be back. Its been 11 years for him, and Pinella has decided to take this year off and has stated many times returning as Yankee manager is his dream job. It wouldn't surprise me if George let him know last off season that the job would be waiting for him if things dont go well this year. We'll see.

kellermcgee21

07-02-2006, 08:02 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  kellermcgee21 wrote: fuck off bulldog...you know shit about the cardinals or their fanbase...  I know this. There's nothing else to do in St Louis (unlike NY) and half the people in the stands when I watch the games on ESPN are old ladies. Wearing their silly red shirts. And if you dont drink, there's nothing else to do in Boston, either. Plus they only have 35k seats to fill.  first of all i want to thank you bulldog for reading my posts....to think that someone in the great city of new york would read my posts....wow....in other words you live in a big city....good job....get over yourselfand i also didn't know you have watched some cardinals games on tv....i guess the 15+ years i've been going to games in st. louis don't compare to the experience of watching maybe three games a year on espn....now its my turn to make a generalization....everyone in yankee stadium wears yellow hats and they jerk off the person to the right of them in the 8th inning....trust me i've seen games on t.v.i guess i'll just post this and get back to looking east to the horizon wondering what everyone in new york is doing....probably something great

zildjian361

07-02-2006, 09:32 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Its good to see A-Rod swinging the bat better lately, but I'm getting an increasing feeling that this just isn't thier year. No Wild Card to fall back on, and with all the injuries they've had the lineup can be weak some days, especially when Bernie and Posada get days off and are replaced with Bubba and Stinnett. Pitching wise, its pretty clear Johnson will have one of these blowouts every so often even when he's going well. And they just cant make up the deficits anymore with their depleted lineup. 4 games out, no need to panic yet with 3 months left in the season. But The Red Sox just came off a 12 game winning streak. I dont think the Yanks are capable of that, and by the time they are (in September) it may be too late. Best hope right now is for the BoSox babies (Lester, Papelbon, Hanson) to come back down to earth as the league adjusts to them. Or maybe Beckett will have one of his patented 4 week stints on the DL, like he  usually does. If the Bosox babies are for real, then were in big trouble.  BTW- Anyone else notice A-Rod crediting Lou Pinella with helping him get out of his current slump? Hmmmm. Intresting. If Torre misses the playoffs this year, I doubt he'll be back. Its been 11 years for him, and Pinella has decided to take this year off and has stated many times returning as Yankee manager is his dream job. It wouldn't surprise me if George let him know last off season that the job would be waiting for him if things dont go well this year. We'll see.             Keep the Faith, we still got a long way to GO.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

Bulldogcakes

07-02-2006, 10:07 AM

kellermcgee21 wrote: first of all i want to thank you bulldog for reading my posts....to think that someone in the great city of new york would read my posts....wow....in other words you live in a big city....good job....get over yourselfand i also didn't know you have watched some cardinals games on tv....i guess the 15+ years i've been going to games in st. louis don't compare to the experience of watching maybe three games a year on espn....now its my turn to make a generalization....everyone in yankee stadium wears yellow hats and they jerk off the person to the right of them in the 8th inning....trust me i've seen games on t.v.i guess i'll just post this and get back to looking east to the horizon wondering what everyone in new york is doing....probably something great If you can find a cross, I'll gladly nail you to it. I was responding to Davios saying YOU guys are SUPERIOR fans to those of us in NY, by pointing out that there's alot of competition for the entertainment dollar here. Sorry for generalizing. Next time I'll say "There are 36,000 old ladies wearing red shirts EXCEPT FOR JOE SMITH IN SEAT 3 SECTION 120" Your reaction says alot more about your own inferiority complex than anything I did, or ever could say. <blockquote />

kellermcgee21

07-02-2006, 10:44 AM

look i have no problem with you thinking yankees fans are the greatest fans in the world....but next time defend your fanbase without calling the other teams fanbase pussies.... what am i supposed to do, after you said st. louis fans are pussies and theres nothing to do in st. louis, just let it go?  i suppose i could have but how would you react if the situation was reversed?  cardinals baseball has been in my family since before i was born so i tend to defend them 99% of the time  i'm sure new york IS a great town but i can't stand it when people act like everywhere else in the country is shit.  its the same with a lot of people in l.a. if you don't have that attitude that's cool but that's how it came off as "New york is the greatest, St. Louis is for pussies and old ladys."  if you would have just made the point of the competition for the dollar, i would have never even posted in here.

Bulldogcakes

07-02-2006, 12:13 PM

Fine, you got me there. But again, it was after Davios was saying the St Louie and Boston fans were better. Peace Bro.

kellermcgee21

07-02-2006, 01:43 PM

i'll admit i could have handled it better...i get defensive about st. louis and the cards and i'm running on very little sleep and working a 12 hour shift today....not excuses but hey i'm in a shitty moodi'm only here because ron and fez get me through days like today....through all the stupid arguments i try to keep that in mind that most everyone is here because they love ron and fez as much as i do.... so it's all good man <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" border="0" />

Dudeman

07-02-2006, 06:36 PM

im not sure if it is just a yankee thing (actually a giambi and arod
thing) or all of mlb, but players take way too many curtain
calls.  it seems like curtain calls used to be after you maybe hit
2 or 3 homeruns, in a big game- basically a very rare thing. now it
seems like arod and giambi take one every time they hit a home
run.  a rod just did it in the 3rd fucking inning.

FUNKMAN

07-02-2006, 07:03 PM

Dudeman wrote: im not sure if it is just a yankee thing (actually a giambi and arod thing) or all of mlb, but players take way too many curtain calls.  it seems like curtain calls used to be after you maybe hit 2 or 3 homeruns, in a big game- basically a very rare thing. now it seems like arod and giambi take one every time they hit a home run.  a rod just did it in the 3rd fucking inning. but isn't it the fans that are requesting it?what if the fans are requesting it and cheering and the player never comes out. will the fans get upset?

Dudeman

07-02-2006, 07:20 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: Dudeman wrote: im
not sure if it is just a yankee thing (actually a giambi and arod
thing) or all of mlb, but players take way too many curtain calls. it
seems like curtain calls used to be after you maybe hit 2 or 3
homeruns, in a big game- basically a very rare thing. now it seems like
arod and giambi take one every time they hit a home run. a rod just did
it in the 3rd fucking inning. but isn't it the fans that are requesting it?what if the fans are requesting it and cheering and the player never comes out. will the fans get upset? very true.   it is a vicious cycle.  so i think the fans need to cool it too. 
<blockquote />

Tenbatsuzen

07-02-2006, 08:30 PM

OK, in the span of a few days, A-Rod has had some incredibly meaningful hits - the GW HR in the Braves game, and the grand slam tonight. It's almost like Justice lit a fire under his ass.

Davios

07-02-2006, 09:54 PM

Overall a good win considering it appeared to be on its way to being sure fire loss fromt he getgo. They've won quite a few consecutive series and Arod is just now getting out of his slump, so things appear to be on the upswing.On another bright note, the Yankees today signed the concensus number 1 available international prospect, Jesus Montero. He is a 16 year old Venezulean Catcher who apparantly has a big time bat. "He's 'the' top International free agent this year," Carlos Rios told PinstripesPlus.com on March 17th. "He can really hit and he plays a prime position." The 16-year old Montero, widely considered a first-round talent by many International scouts, had been rumored to be seriously scouted by the New York Mets as well." 

This message was edited by Davios on 7-3-06 @ 1:55 AM

HBox

07-02-2006, 10:18 PM

Ummm, my power was out all night. What did I miss?

Justice4all

07-02-2006, 11:58 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: OK, in the span of a few days, A-Rod has had some incredibly meaningful hits - the GW HR in the Braves game, and the grand slam tonight. It's almost like Justice lit a fire under his ass.  Never met the man.

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 07:26 AM

Justice4all wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: OK, in the span of a few days, A-Rod has had some incredibly meaningful hits - the GW HR in the Braves game, and the grand slam tonight. It's almost like Justice lit a fire under his ass. Never met the man. <img width="168" height="200" border="0" src="http://www.collectr.com/ce/images/cpseinfeldj.jpg" />"NOT YOUUUUUUUU." 

This message was edited by Tenbatsuzen on 7-3-06 @ 11:28 AM

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 07:27 AM

HBox wrote: Ummm, my power was out all night. What did I miss?    http://www.espn.com  It's a new website.  Apparently they have - get this - up-to-the-minute sports news and recaps of past sporting events. Crazy idea.  It'll never fly.

spoon

07-03-2006, 11:44 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: To be fair, Glavine has been more bad than good for the first 3 years of the deal. This is what the Mets thought they would get for all 4 years, not one. And were only halfway through this one, alot of time left in this season. I may actually watch the Mets game over my beloved Yanks for the next few days. Pedro coming back to Boston is must-see TV. And I will be rooting hard for those Metsies. SWEEP THOSE BEAN EATING BASTARDS!!!!   This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 6-26-06 @ 9:24 PM To be fair would mean mentioning you're wrong.  Here's Glavine's last four years with the Braves vs. the his first with the Mets.  The biggest difference was the team he played for being drastically different and not able to give him the run support like he has now.  He's pretty much been the same pitcher with some ups and downs that are only natural.  In fact, there was one period I remember him pitching fucking awesome through around ten starts or more while going 1-2 or something.  I'll give you some credit on the discussion about retired yank numbers (your points on O'Neil and Marris), but you're off here.

spoon

07-03-2006, 11:46 AM

RingWraith wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: To be fair, Glavine has been more bad than good for the first 3 years of the deal. This is what the Mets thought they would get for all 4 years, not one. And were only halfway through this one, alot of time left in this season. I may actually watch the Mets game over my beloved Yanks for the next few days. Pedro coming back to Boston is must-see TV. And I will be rooting hard for those Metsies. SWEEP THOSE BEAN EATING BASTARDS!!!!   This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 6-26-06 @ 9:24 PM You know what I'm afraid of.  That the NY Mets will treat this as an exhibition series and proposefully put all their bench and minor league players just to help the Red Sox stay in first place.  And to spite the NY Yankees since the Mets already have their division wrapped and sealed.That's fucking stupid too.  Willie is a close friend to Joe and many of the Yankee crew.  If anything, and I doubted this too until last nights game, I'd fear he'd help them out by doing the opposite.  His moves last night were fucking a stupid and questionable.

spoon

07-03-2006, 11:50 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Yanks down 2 runs, Man on second, A-Rod strikes out. And you wonder why he hasn't made that emotional connection with fans.  Will this shit die down now a little bc of his "heroics" late?  As I'm catching up on a few threads here since I got back from vaca, this was covered I'm sure.  Yet I did see Hbox mention the true test upcoming (even though the yanks are out of the playoffs so far), and it's coming through in the playoffs.  Perhaps some Giambi Juice would do the trick?  Seems to be working for old man Bernie.

spoon

07-03-2006, 11:53 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Bad night for the locals. THat was the best shot the Mets had with the kid Lester going. Now they face Beckett and Schilling. Yanks cant beat up on weak teams like the Sox have lately. Yanks take 2 of 3 from the Nats and Phils, Sox sweep both. Now they have to beat Smoltz to take 2 of 3 from the Braves. What worries me more is they're getting good starting pitching, the problem has been the bullpen and scoring runs. Yanks are 4 back in the loss, and if they dont start playing better soon, this season could get away from them. No Wild Card to fall back on this year. Football season might start early this year.  You forgot the Jays swept both the Nationals and Braves, while taking 2 of 3 from the Phils without Wells, Rios and more.  Keep being myopic, I hope the Sox and Yanks are too.

spoon

07-03-2006, 12:01 PM

narc wrote: I love how Spoon's Jays thread just petered out. Because the Jays blow. I hope they die in a fire. Wasn't it Sheepy who said he hates you bc you're never right?  Wow is he on the money there!  Over the time period you speak, the Jays actually made up ground on the yanks and lost only one game to the Sox during this awesome run of theirs.  By tonights end, the Jays could be tied with your yanks so way to make a great, valid point.  If anything, the Jays are playing great, the Sox and Tigers just happen to be on "fire" just a little more to put it in your language.Suck it Narc!  Chaucin, Wells, Rios, Walker and more come back soon after the AS break or earlier.  When will Matsui and Shef get back?  Oh right, the Yanks will be adding to the already 200 million dollar payroll to buy another chance at a AL title.  Not this year.

spoon

07-03-2006, 12:04 PM

Davios wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Why the Scott Brosius namecheck? If anything, Brosius OVERPERFORMED during his time in New York. He was supposed to be the one weak spot in the lineup.    Exactly. Nobody expected anything from Brosius, so the three or four times he did someything big as a Yank, it was a pleasant surprise. But A-Rod is supposed to be an all time great, and this is one of a small handful of times I can remember him doing something big in a big spot. Hence, the Brosius reference. I guess I need to see this monce or twice to change my opinion of A-Rod. If I closed my eyes and swung as hard as I can, I could hit a HR once every 80 ABs (in big spots) and I dont play baseball for a living.     He took the A's deep in extra innings to win two years ago, he took Schilling deep to win the game in his big comeback, he doubled in the bottom of the ninth against the Mets to win a game in a crucial series in which the Yanks could have been swept last season, he practically single handedly won two games against Minnesota in the playoffs to have the Yankees advance. One of which they only won on a run which he created by singling, stealing second, stealing third, and coming home on a wild pitch. In extra innings he took Nathan to the wall to win the game. Listen, the guy is a scapegoat. If the Yankees lost today the blame would have been pinned squarely on Alex when he wasn't the one who couldn't get a run home from third with 0 outs. If people want to take their anger out on Alex, then so be it. They are entitled to do whatever they want, however, its stupid to say he has 1 big hit when he has had a ton of them.This message was edited by Davios on 6-29-06 @ 12:21 AM All good points, but he surely wasn't the MVP last year.  He wasn't/isn't even the MVP of his fucking team.

spoon

07-03-2006, 12:12 PM

Davios wrote: RingWraith wrote: Davios wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: [quote]Tenbatsuzen wrote: Why the Scott Brosius namecheck? If anything, Brosius OVERPERFORMED during his time in New York. He was supposed to be the one weak spot in the lineup.   [quote] Exactly. Nobody expected anything from Brosius, so the three or four times he did someything big as a Yank, it was a pleasant surprise. But A-Rod is supposed to be an all time great, and this is one of a small handful of times I can remember him doing something big in a big spot. Hence, the Brosius reference. I guess I need to see this monce or twice to change my opinion of A-Rod. If I closed my eyes and swung as hard as I can, I could hit a HR once every 80 ABs (in big spots) and I dont play baseball for a living.     He took the A's deep in extra innings to win two years ago, he took Schilling deep to win the game in his big comeback, he doubled in the bottom of the ninth against the Mets to win a game in a crucial series in which the Yanks could have been swept last season, he practically single handedly won two games against Minnesota in the playoffs to have the Yankees advance. One of which they only won on a run which he created by singling, stealing second, stealing third, and coming home on a wild pitch. In extra innings he took Nathan to the wall to win the game. Listen, the guy is a scapegoat. If the Yankees lost today the blame would have been pinned squarely on Alex when he wasn't the one who couldn't get a run home from third with 0 outs. If people want to take their anger out on Alex, then so be it. They are entitled to do whatever they want, however, its stupid to say he has 1 big hit when he has had a ton of them.This message was edited by Davios on 6-29-06 @ 12:21 AM  The problem is that most Yankee fans are fickle.  They easily forget what the guy has done for the Yanks in the past, and have the attitude of a "What have you done for me lately?!" No question about it. The success of the Yankees have created one of the worst if not THE worst fanbase in all of baseball. People no longer show up to cheer fo their team, instead people show up because it is the biggest show in town. That is why if a guy who is going to go down as one of the best players to step foot on the field doesn't hit a ball out every other at bat, he is going to be jeered and booed. Here is a spectacular player who got into the biggest slump of his career and rather than try and pull him through it, people simply jumped on him. Not only that, Yankee fans are in large part INCREDIBLY uninformed and just spout out stupid ass statements that they simply present as facts. Has Arod been good this season close and late? No, and that is almost entirely due to him going through the worst slump of his career. When these people want to preach about how the man has NEVER come through, they should actually look at facts. If not for Alex the Yankees don't make it out of Minnesota two years ago. It's that simple, they get tossed in the first round. If not for Alex last season, the Yankees lose the division and don't make it into the playoffs.It pains me to say it but Yankee fans have indeed become fickle brats, not necessarily the older ones but the new ones who have hopped on because it is the trendy thing to do. Every time I hear preaching about the great Yankee fan I have to laugh, Cardinals fans are the best fans in the game hands down and really it is not even close.&nbs

spoon

07-03-2006, 12:17 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Davios wrote: If people want to take their anger out on Alex, then so be it. They are entitled to do whatever they want, however, its stupid to say he has 1 big hit when he has had a ton of them. No its not. I'm talking about THIS YEAR, which is why I said in the last 80 chances, and not the last 3 years. If you dont think he's choked in almost every big spot he's had this year then you're clueless. Look at his #'s in clutch spots this year. Awful. He's admitted it, Torre's admitted it, and everyone who ACTUALLY WATCHES THE GAMES knows it. A better argument for you would be whether or not its counter productive for Yankee fans to boo him. Because it only makes him press harder. And if would stop trying to force the game and let it come to him (do less) he would do better in those spots. He doesn't need to hit HR's in big spots, he just needs to get base hits and fans would leave him alone. That I would agree with, and thats why I dont boo him when I'm at a game. But I guess his ego is such he wants to hit the HR, and when you're trying to hit HR's, you almost never do. Some players are more than their #'s, you have to see them everyday to appreciate what they bring to a team. Jeter is a prime example of that. Then there are guys who pile up stats, but fans that watch them everyday will tell you those #'s are hollow. I haven't put A-Rod in that category yet, but its getting close. This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 6-29-06 @ 5:52 PM Sorry about the mega responses but I've been away.  BDC does bring up a great point (one made before of course) of Arod always trying to hit the bomb in big spots and it's a good one when you weigh in fact that both of the recent big hits have been in fact bombs.  Just a thought to contemplate.

Bulldogcakes

07-03-2006, 12:29 PM

Davios wrote:On another bright note, the Yankees today signed the concensus number 1 available international prospect, Jesus Montero. He is a 16 year old Venezulean Catcher who apparantly has a big time bat. "He's 'the' top International free agent this year," Carlos Rios told PinstripesPlus.com on March 17th. "He can really hit and he plays a prime position." The 16-year old Montero, widely considered a first-round talent by many International scouts, had been rumored to be seriously scouted by the New York Mets as well." 

This message was edited by Davios on 7-3-06 @ 1:55 AM  What happened with Tony Pena's son? Another catcher with a big bat who was being courted by 6 teams.

spoon

07-03-2006, 12:32 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Davios wrote: No question about it. The success of the Yankees have created one of the worst if not THE worst fanbase in all of baseball. People no longer show up to cheer fo their team, instead people show up because it is the biggest show in town. That is why if a guy who is going to go down as one of the best players to step foot on the field doesn't hit a ball out every other at bat, he is going to be jeered and booed. Here is a spectacular player who got into the biggest slump of his career and rather than try and pull him through it, people simply jumped on him. Not only that, Yankee fans are in large part INCREDIBLY uninformed and just spout out stupid ass statements that they simply present as facts. Has Arod been good this season close and late? No, and that is almost entirely due to him going through the worst slump of his career. When these people want to preach about how the man has NEVER come through, they should actually look at facts. If not for Alex the Yankees don't make it out of Minnesota two years ago. It's that simple, they get tossed in the first round. If not for Alex last season, the Yankees lose the division and don't make it into the playoffs.It pains me to say it but Yankee fans have indeed become fickle brats, not necessarily the older ones but the new ones who have hopped on because it is the trendy thing to do. Every time I hear preaching about the great Yankee fan I have to laugh, Cardinals fans are the best fans in the game hands down and really it is not even close. It is for that reason that as a Yankee fan I sincerely hope the Mets DO have tremendous success, if for nothing more than to have these same idiots migrate to Shea. Go fuck yourself you pompous shithead. I've been watching the Yanks since 1977, and you have no idea what it means to be a Yankee fan. You're fucking lost, and judging by this post I doubt your actually a Yankee fan. Yankee fans dont just go to the ballpark to watch a ballgame, they go to watch them WIN. And true Yankees like Jeter EMBRACE those expectations, and have the same expectations themselves. Pompous shitheads who want to feel superior talk about how unreasonable that sounds. Well, the Owner, Manager, GM, and team captain all have the same expectations. And Cardinal fans are the biggest pussies in Baseball. LITERALLY a bunch of old ladies who never boo because it might hurt someones feelings.   Woooe!  Watch it big man, you just made one of those personal attacks that you so often pin on me with the mods.  I could care less, but you seem to come off hurt by some pretty general points made by Davios that I agree with. "Yankee fans dont just go to the ballpark to watch a ballgame, they go to watch them WIN. "That's fucking funny!  I guess I go to Blue Jay games to watch them in batting practice.  How pompous can you get?  And I mean that seriously.

Bulldogcakes

07-03-2006, 12:40 PM

spoon wrote:To be fair would mean mentioning you're wrong. Here's Glavine's last four years with the Braves vs. the his first with the Mets. The biggest difference was the team he played for being drastically different and not able to give him the run support like he has now. He's pretty much been the same pitcher with some ups and downs that are only natural. In fact, there was one period I remember him pitching fucking awesome through around ten starts or more while going 1-2 or something. I'll give you some credit on the discussion about retired yank numbers (your points on O'Neil and Marris), but you're off here.  Well then somebody needs to explain that to Ed Coleman, Gary Cohen, Ron Darling and Glavine himself. All of whom have said that mid last year he changed the way he pitches. He started coming INSIDE alot more often (which he hardly ever did as a Brave) and changed his grip on the curveball. Since then, he's been terrific. Before he was good for 1/2 a season out of the first 2 1/2 seasons he played with the Mets. Dont take my word for it, ask anyone you know who's a Met fan (My whole family are Mets fans, and I've been hearing about it ad nauseum).

spoon

07-03-2006, 12:44 PM

"And true Yankees like Jeter EMBRACE those expectations, and have the same expectations themselves. Pompous shitheads who want to feel superior talk about how unreasonable that sounds. Well, the Owner, Manager, GM, and team captain all have the same expectations."Thanks for making my Jeter golden boy point.  Someone please give me the literal definition of "True yankee"?  Is it anyone who sucks man juice and never has an oppinion?  Nope then Arod would have been included.  Is it anyone who a "true yankee fan" can latch onto and by proxy claim greatness in their life via some strange sports iconology/cultural transference or metastasis?There are many people in sports who put and embrace said expectations on the themselves yet can't obtain those lofty goals bc of talent and or any other factors.  Speaking of the yank gm, owner, manager and team captain as the uber winners bc they set expectations higher than others is a joke. Let's see any, any of them win somewhere else!  I doubt it'll happen or ever could.  Your best hope would be Jeter if he was traded to the Sox, either one.

Crippler

07-03-2006, 12:54 PM

Having a slow day, Jay?

spoon

07-03-2006, 12:54 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Davios wrote: You state you're a Yankee fan since 1977, did you SEE Yankee stadium in the early 90s when guys like Mattingly were blasting balls into a sea of empty seats??? I know I saw it first hand throughout the eighties into the nineties, just like I saw it fill back up in 96 when the Yankees were back to winning. I call that being fair-fucking-weather, not being a fan.You think it's pompous to accept the fact that your team just might not win every damn year based on sheer fucking luck alone, yet still expect fans to support their god damn team??? When the Yankees recently lost to the Oakland A's the last series they played, did you listen to "Yankee Fans" chant Yankees suck in Yankee fucking stadium??? I did, and was quite disgusted by it. I suppose of course that it was acceptable just lke booing is, because after all the Yankees did lose right?Don't accuse me of being the pompous arrogant one when you somehow feel that unless your team wins every time out they aren't good enough for your fucking affiliation with them. Yankee fans root on the Yankees, this isn't the damn Roman Collesium where they give the thumbs up or down if they are or aren't satisfied. God I would love to see you root for an organization like the Cubs. Well, guess what. If my favorite actor puts out a shit movie, I'm not going to see it. And if my favorite Baseball team puts out a shit product, dont be surprised when attendance goes down. I'll still watch, but not as much. And you're full of shit if you want to claim that you went out of your way to watch them everyday when they sucked. Now the games are more meaningful, I and alot of other people and plan my days around them. Welcome to planet Earth. Weather's great. And I dont expect the Yanks to win it all every year, and if you've read any of my posts you'd know that I wasn't even bothered by the 2001 series, despite all the drama. Cant win em all. But as long as they're keeping score, you do everything you can to win, period. And Mariano's not getting any younger, so I have an increased sense of urgency in the past few years, because you almost certainly wont see one like him again. And I WAS AT the last game of the Oakland series, when Randy got bombed and didn't hear one Yankees suck chant. And even if there was, if the team is playing like shit, they deserve to get booed. You love ST Louis and Boston so much? MOVE. New York isn't a kissy face town. Tino Martinez was booed mercilessly his first year w/the Yanks. Jeter was booed a few years back when he was struggling, Reggie used to get booed AT HOME when he struck out (which he did alot) and even Mantle was booed towards the end of his career. I'm been reading a biography of Ruth lately and BABE RUTH was booed at the peak of his career, and alot at the end of it. This has NOTHING to do with newcomer bandwagon Yankee fans. ITS CALLED BASEBALL. And your precious Red Sox fans used to boo Ted Williams so much he wouldn't even tip his cap when he hit a HR on his last AB. Grow up.  This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 6-30-06 @ 5:51 PM I finally figured it out.  BDC sounds more informed bc he's been doing his homework for the last few months by stuffing his fat face with nachos watching every "yankeeography" on the yes network.  I guess they got one viewer past the games themselves.  As for, "You love ST Louis and Boston so much? MOVE. New York isn't a kissy face town."  Get a fucking life!!  Way to transition one of your famous Republican mantras over to sports!  And "kissy face town"???  Got back to the play you just left Nancy!  I think your gay lover is getting worried.

Bulldogcakes

07-03-2006, 12:55 PM

Someone please give me the literal definition of "True yankee"?  I can explain that, though I dont think it really matters much. The "True Yankees" are the quiet, hard working professionals who carry themselves with a certain amount of class and are all about winning. It traces back to Lou Gehrig, who was the model for the profile. And it was passed on to DiMaggio, Mattingly, and now Jeter (among others).You'll notice I left out Mantle, Reggie and the greatest Yank of all, Ruth. They were guys who either liked to party or had big egos, or in Ruth's case both. A-Rod falls in this category. But they were still big parts of big dynasty teams. So whether or not someone is a "True Yankee" doesn't preclude them from winning. 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 7-3-06 @ 4:56 PM

spoon

07-03-2006, 12:57 PM

spoon

07-03-2006, 01:18 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  spoon wrote: To be fair would mean mentioning you're wrong. Here's Glavine's last four years with the Braves vs. the his first with the Mets. The biggest difference was the team he played for being drastically different and not able to give him the run support like he has now. He's pretty much been the same pitcher with some ups and downs that are only natural. In fact, there was one period I remember him pitching fucking awesome through around ten starts or more while going 1-2 or something. I'll give you some credit on the discussion about retired yank numbers (your points on O'Neil and Marris), but you're off here.  Well then somebody needs to explain that to Ed Coleman, Gary Cohen, Ron Darling and Glavine himself. All of whom have said that mid last year he changed the way he pitches. He started coming INSIDE alot more often (which he hardly ever did as a Brave) and changed his grip on the curveball. Since then, he's been terrific. Before he was good for 1/2 a season out of the first 2 1/2 seasons he played with the Mets. Dont take my word for it, ask anyone you know who's a Met fan (My whole family are Mets fans, and I've been hearing about it ad nauseum). I forgot to post the last 8 years of Glavine's stats so here they are.  You do the math.  <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="613" border="0"><tr><td class="textSm grey" colspan="18">Pitching Stats:</td><td class="textSm grey" align="right" colspan="17"><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/NASApp/mlb/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=114849ion1=1&statSet1=1ion2=1ion3=1&statSet3=1&statSet2=2">Next Stats >></a></td></tr><tr><td colspan="18"><img height="1" alt="" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="textSm grey" align="right" colspan="19"> </td></tr><tr><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">SEASON</td><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">TEAM</td><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">                         W</td><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">L</td><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">ERA</td><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">G</td><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">GS</td><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">CG</td><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">SHO</td><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">SV</td><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">SVO</td><td><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center"><st

spoon

07-03-2006, 01:19 PM

Crippler wrote: Having a slow day, Jay? Just catching up with the train wreck.  Choo choo!

Davios

07-03-2006, 02:04 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Davios wrote: On another bright note, the Yankees today signed the concensus number 1 available international prospect, Jesus Montero. He is a 16 year old Venezulean Catcher who apparantly has a big time bat. "He's 'the' top International free agent this year," Carlos Rios told PinstripesPlus.com on March 17th. "He can really hit and he plays a prime position." The 16-year old Montero, widely considered a first-round talent by many International scouts, had been rumored to be seriously scouted by the New York Mets as well." This message was edited by Davios on 7-3-06 @ 1:55 AM   What happened with Tony Pena's son? Another catcher with a big bat who was being courted by 6 teams.  Tony's son doesn't have the bat that Montero does. I personally was hoping they would sign Montero and move him to first, then proceed to pick up Pena. Looks like that isn't going to happen. Cashman actually stated, "One of our scouts believes he’s the best prospect to come out of Venezuela since Miguel Cabrera.”Montero was the concensus number one prospect available, the Red Sox were also really making a press for him but the Yankees beat them out with a 2 million dollar signing bonus.The most recent rumor regarding Pena is that he is likely headed to Atlanta so he can play with his brother who is also in their minor league system.

Davios

07-03-2006, 02:16 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Someone please give me the literal definition of "True yankee"?     I can explain that, though I dont think it really matters much. The "True Yankees" are the quiet, hard working professionals who carry themselves with a certain amount of class and are all about winning. It traces back to Lou Gehrig, who was the model for the profile. And it was passed on to DiMaggio, Mattingly, and now Jeter (among others).You'll notice I left out Mantle, Reggie and the greatest Yank of all, Ruth. They were guys who either liked to party or had big egos, or in Ruth's case both. A-Rod falls in this category. But they were still big parts of big dynasty teams. So whether or not someone is a "True Yankee" doesn't preclude them from winning. This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 7-3-06 @ 4:56 PM   I don't mean to jump back into this, but what exactly did Donnie ever win????? Yet the man is Mr. Yankee. And as an aside, I know alot of people buy into the "True Yankee" idea. I personally think its silly idolatry. Does Arod ever not hustle? Does he walk around spouting off? The man has been a class act since he stepped foot on the diamond, yet no one who buys into that philosophy would consider Alex a "True Yankee". To me, you put on a uniform and you are a true yankee, fake yankees don't exist. People like to sit back and slam Kevin Brown, but Brown was the guy who risked serious health problems pitching with a bad back because Carl Pavano didn't want to last season. Cashman actually asked Carl to pitch and he said he didn't feel like he could, so Brown volunteered when he could barely walk around the clubhouse.

Don Stugots

07-03-2006, 03:22 PM

i think the deal with Mattingly is that he never left the organization for greener pastures.  i am sure that there were teams drooling over him as he became a free agent (anyone have any info please share as I do not remember, those were the years where i was rebeling against my parents, and i spited them by not following the game that i love and the team that i love, yeah, i showed them), but he stayed in NY. 

RingWraith

07-03-2006, 08:49 PM

spoon wrote: RingWraith wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: To be fair, Glavine has been more bad than good for the first 3 years of the deal. This is what the Mets thought they would get for all 4 years, not one. And were only halfway through this one, alot of time left in this season. I may actually watch the Mets game over my beloved Yanks for the next few days. Pedro coming back to Boston is must-see TV. And I will be rooting hard for those Metsies. SWEEP THOSE BEAN EATING BASTARDS!!!!   This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 6-26-06 @ 9:24 PM You know what I'm afraid of.  That the NY Mets will treat this as an exhibition series and proposefully put all their bench and minor league players just to help the Red Sox stay in first place.  And to spite the NY Yankees since the Mets already have their division wrapped and sealed.That's fucking stupid too.  Willie is a close friend to Joe and many of the Yankee crew.  If anything, and I doubted this too until last nights game, I'd fear he'd help them out by doing the opposite.  His moves last night were fucking a stupid and questionable.  Actually I was just being sarcastic, and having fun with my paranoia self.  I didn't really think the NY Mets would do such a thing  (Or could they????????????)

Bulldogcakes

07-04-2006, 03:42 AM

<a href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spynote044806169jul04,0,1831698.story?coll=ny-sports-print" target="_self" title="story"> Story</a> Help from former Met? With the Yankees hoping to improve
their bullpen, one name that figures to come up is Roberto Hernandez,
41. The Yankees expressed interest in the former Met last offseason,
but he signed a one-year, $2.75-million deal with the Pirates because
he didn't know where he'd fit in the Yankees' bullpen. He had a 2.43
ERA in 37 innings before last night. Note to Brian Cashman. Haven't we seen enough of aging NL pitchers on the Yanks lately? And haven't we seen the huge difference between the two leagues, especially in interleague play? PLease stay out of the NL, unless you're going after Dontrelle.

Bulldogcakes

07-04-2006, 03:50 AM

Davios wrote:The most recent rumor regarding Pena is that he is likely headed to Atlanta so he can play with his brother who is also in their minor league system.  I just checked it out and the NY Post has him going to Nats the and the Daily News has him going to the Cubbies. So who knows. I do like the Yanks looking for catchers. Posada's 34 and getting close to that age when catchers cant hit anymore. You hope to get a few more years out of him and see if the kid is ready by then.   Amazing how 16 year olds are getting 1 and 2 million $$ bonuses lately. THey're fucking 16, and a long way from the bigs.

Don Stugots

07-04-2006, 04:33 AM

Davios

07-04-2006, 09:31 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  Davios wrote: The most recent rumor regarding Pena is that he is likely headed to Atlanta so he can play with his brother who is also in their minor league system.  I just checked it out and the NY Post has him going to Nats the and the Daily News has him going to the Cubbies. So who knows. I do like the Yanks looking for catchers. Posada's 34 and getting close to that age when catchers cant hit anymore. You hope to get a few more years out of him and see if the kid is ready by then.   Amazing how 16 year olds are getting 1 and 2 million $$ bonuses lately. THey're fucking 16, and a long way from the bigs.    Well that depends on the level of prospect. Miguel Cabrera hit the bigs at 18 and had quite a showing in the World Series against the best players in the league. Montero is being touted as the best prospect out of Venezuela since Miguel. His bat isn't really in question, it's just that many project him to continue to grow meaning playing catcher will be difficult. Then there are kids like Jose Tabata, the Yankees second best prospect behind Philip Hughes. Tabata is being touted as a phenom hitting .325 in A ball at get this, 17 years old. The kid is already an absolute beast. As I heard somebody else say, Manny Ramirez was sitting in an apartment complex in the Bronx eating doritos at 17. As time has gone on, training regimens have completely changed sports. Kids today are so much farther along then they used to be that it is genuinely remarkable. Go to any high school gym and you'll see average kids playing basketball doing things that could not be done a decade or two ago.

This message was edited by Davios on 7-4-06 @ 1:34 PM

spoon

07-04-2006, 10:14 AM

Bulldogcakes

07-04-2006, 11:08 AM

Actually I think this has more to do with the amatuer draft rules (which typically hurts the Yanks who generally draft at the bottom) and clubs are looking for younger talent either overseas or before they hit the draft. But the younger they are, the higher the risk. For every Miguel Cabrera I'm sure there's 100 16 year olds who never pan out. And Spoon, your Blue Jays have to overpay for everything because of Canada's insane tax rates. In high tax NYC, the Yanks do too, but not as bad as Canada.

BoondockSaint

07-04-2006, 04:06 PM

The Indians are ruining Steinbrenner's phony birthday.

DirtyJersey

07-04-2006, 05:54 PM

Yanks looked good today, we scored 1 point and our pitching staff only gave up 19 runs. I think this could be the start of a good run.

Don Stugots

07-04-2006, 05:56 PM

DirtyJersey wrote: Yanks looked good today, we scored 1 point and our pitching staff only gave up 19 runs. I think this could be the start of a good run. i can see some trades coming on the horizon.

TheGameHHH

07-04-2006, 06:01 PM

Having Hafner on my fantasy team was the only saving grace for me today. What an embarrassment.

TheMojoPin

07-04-2006, 06:41 PM

The Yankees should trade A-Rod to the Cubs since they don't like him anymore.  You may have Aramis Ramirez, Jacque Jones, Juan Pierre and a fleet of pitchers in return.Thank you.

DirtyJersey

07-04-2006, 08:22 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: The Yankees should trade A-Rod to the Cubs since they don't like him anymore.  You may have Aramis Ramirez, Jacque Jones, Juan Pierre and a fleet of pitchers in return.The problem with that is as soon as A-Rod goes to the Cubs they will win the World Series and we will look silly yet again. That's just the way things work with the Yanks. Jose Contreras just won his 17th straight and when he was on the Yankees I couldnt stand him.

spoon

07-04-2006, 09:41 PM

DirtyJersey wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: The Yankees should trade A-Rod to the Cubs since they don't like him anymore.  You may have Aramis Ramirez, Jacque Jones, Juan Pierre and a fleet of pitchers in return.The problem with that is as soon as A-Rod goes to the Cubs they will win the World Series and we will look silly yet again. That's just the way things work with the Yanks. Jose Contreras just won his 17th straight and when he was on the Yankees I couldnt stand him.Wait, wait, wait.  Did I just see a yankee fan say "that's just the way things work with the yanks" to a fucking Cubs fan???  Now that's funny!  Spankee fans are funny fuckers indeed!

DirtyJersey

07-05-2006, 01:14 AM

spoon wrote: DirtyJersey wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: The Yankees should trade A-Rod to the Cubs since they don't like him anymore.  You may have Aramis Ramirez, Jacque Jones, Juan Pierre and a fleet of pitchers in return.The problem with that is as soon as A-Rod goes to the Cubs they will win the World Series and we will look silly yet again. That's just the way things work with the Yanks. Jose Contreras just won his 17th straight and when he was on the Yankees I couldnt stand him.Wait, wait, wait.  Did I just see a yankee fan say "that's just the way things work with the yanks" to a fucking Cubs fan???  Now that's funny!  Spankee fans are funny fuckers indeed!Just because we aren't the most unlucky team in baseball doesnt mean we can't be heartbroken over these guys. In the past 5 years Yankees fans have damn good reason to complain. The 2001 WS and dropping 4 in a row to f'n Red Sox in the playoffs alone is enough to rip your heart out. Yes, compared to the Cubs it seems weird but its not like we are winning the WS every year and I'm still bellyaching.

Bulldogcakes

07-05-2006, 01:52 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: The Yankees should trade A-Rod to the Cubs since they don't like him anymore. You may have Aramis Ramirez, Jacque Jones, Juan Pierre and a fleet of pitchers in return.Thank you. Nah, bad idea for you Cubbies. He'll just demand a trade in a year, like he did with Texas. Plus despite all the crap he's been taking lately, he wants to stay here. He's a big media town kind of guy, and NYC is the biggest. He loves getting his mug on TV every night. I would however, like to know if you guys are looking to deal Prior or Wood. Since they're both always hurt I'd imagine the price tag wont be bad, and it'd be worth a shot to maybe get a few good months out of one of them. I think Prior (and/or Wood) has a club option for next year, which the team probably wont exercise, so that means it his walk year. Could be a chance to get something back for them before they leave.   BTW-Where've you been lately, Mojo? I haven't seen you around much.

Bulldogcakes

07-05-2006, 03:39 PM

Well, the good news is you wont see Chacon pitch in his turn later this week. The Yanks have called up <a href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/W/kris-wilson.shtml" target="_self" title="Kris Wilson">Kris Wilson</a>, who will start in his place. Doesn't exactly have stats that blow you away, plus he's 30. But we'll see. I dont think he's the answer, but you cant do much worse than Chacon has lately. Hopefully Chacon will accept a minor league stint to try to find his control again. But I doubt that, too.

zildjian361

07-05-2006, 04:28 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: Having Hafner on my fantasy team was the only saving grace for me today. What an embarrassment.           What goes around comes around, 9 - 1 in the 4th,but as we say it over till its over<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

Tenbatsuzen

07-05-2006, 06:12 PM

I really like Melky Cabrera, but...  "The Melk Man Always Knocks Twice!" - Sterling Are you kidding me?  Are you fucking kidding me? I think Sterling has a custom HR call for everyone in the lineup EXCEPT Jeter.

zildjian361

07-05-2006, 06:34 PM

11-3 aint bad<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

TheGameHHH

07-05-2006, 06:37 PM

I heard that during Nick Green's HR the other day Sterling actually
said, "It's not that easy being green". I swear if I actually heard
that call I would have driven to Cleveland and slit his throat.

Tenbatsuzen

07-05-2006, 07:44 PM

Bern Baby Bern - fine.Constantino Martinez - Fine. Georgie Juiced One - a little hack. The Giambino - anger rising An A-Bomb From A-Rod - need to smash A Thrilla from Godzilla - must kill Bubba Blew One

TheMojoPin

07-05-2006, 07:48 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  TheMojoPin wrote: The Yankees should trade A-Rod to the Cubs since they don't like him anymore. You may have Aramis Ramirez, Jacque Jones, Juan Pierre and a fleet of pitchers in return.Thank you. Nah, bad idea for you Cubbies. He'll just demand a trade in a year, like he did with Texas. Plus despite all the crap he's been taking lately, he wants to stay here. He's a big media town kind of guy, and NYC is the biggest. He loves getting his mug on TV every night. I would however, like to know if you guys are looking to deal Prior or Wood. Since they're both always hurt I'd imagine the price tag wont be bad, and it'd be worth a shot to maybe get a few good months out of one of them. I think Prior (and/or Wood) has a club option for next year, which the team probably wont exercise, so that means it his walk year. Could be a chance to get something back for them before they leave.   BTW-Where've you been lately, Mojo? I haven't seen you around much.  Prior, no way.  The Cubs have him cheap for a couple more years and if he can avoid freak injuries and heal up this year, the guy will be an anchor with Zambrano for the rotation.  More than likely we'll be shopping Maddux and Wood and 2-3 bullpen guys (probably everyone there except Howry and Eyre).I've been about...real life has just been too hectic these days.

RingWraith

07-05-2006, 07:48 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: I heard that during Nick Green's HR the other day Sterling actually said, "It's not that easy being green". I swear if I actually heard that call I would have driven to Cleveland and slit his throat. Are you saying that you don't like Sterling's Nicknames on each Yankee that homers???!!!  Personally, I find John Sterling hilarious.  I love his HR calls and that each Yankee has a personal nickname/catchphrase.  Although I do find it amazing that he doesn't have one for Derek Jeter when he homers.I understand that Sterling does annoy a lot of people out there.  But he doesn't annoy me because I can never take him seriously, and because he's like a cartoon character.

RingWraith

07-05-2006, 07:50 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Bern Baby Bern - fine.Constantino Martinez - Fine. Georgie Juiced One - a little hack. The Giambino - anger rising An A-Bomb From A-Rod - need to smash A Thrilla from Godzilla - must kill Bubba Blew One  Come on, you're telling me you don't like some of those??!!!  Giambi's, A-Rod's, and Matsui's are actually my favorites.

Tenbatsuzen

07-05-2006, 07:55 PM

RingWraith wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Bern Baby Bern - fine.Constantino Martinez - Fine. Georgie Juiced One - a little hack. The Giambino - anger rising An A-Bomb From A-Rod - need to smash A Thrilla from Godzilla - must kill Bubba Blew One Come on, you're telling me you don't like some of those??!!! Giambi's, A-Rod's, and Matsui's are actually my favorites.   Die in a fire.

RingWraith

07-05-2006, 08:04 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  RingWraith wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Bern Baby Bern - fine.Constantino Martinez - Fine. Georgie Juiced One - a little hack. The Giambino - anger rising An A-Bomb From A-Rod - need to smash A Thrilla from Godzilla - must kill Bubba Blew One  Come on, you're telling me you don't like some of those??!!! Giambi's, A-Rod's, and Matsui's are actually my favorites.   Die in a fire.  You know deep down you like those HR calls.  Admit it!

DirtyJersey

07-05-2006, 11:20 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Bern Baby Bern - fine.Constantino Martinez - Fine. Georgie Juiced One - a little hack. The Giambino - anger rising An A-Bomb From A-Rod - need to smash A Thrilla from Godzilla - must kill Bubba Blew One  You forgot "Positively Damonic". That one actually makes me nausous.

East Side Dave

07-06-2006, 10:55 AM

Looooks like Yankee Plane is Gonna Fly thru the turbulence afterall----11 to 3.   Yankees = Superman Krytonite = ?????

crb1

07-06-2006, 11:20 AM

East Side Dave wrote: Looooks like Yankee Plane is Gonna Fly thru the turbulence afterall----11 to 3.   Yankees = Superman Krytonite = ?????The problem isn't so much that they were stomped 2 nights ago, it's that 1)  Their offense is very inconsistent and 2)  Chacon is so bad that they cannot let him start anymore.  That leaves them with no 5th starter, and no real prospects of getting one.  I do like that they are finally making a commitment to developing players, instead of trading for creaky veterans.  You might want to slow down with the Superman comments though.  They're still 3 back of Boston, and only 1 in front of Toronto.

cougarjake13

07-06-2006, 01:17 PM

crb1 wrote: East Side Dave wrote: Yankees = Superman Krytonite = ????? kryptonite = devil rays<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" border="0" />

crb1

07-06-2006, 02:03 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: crb1 wrote: East Side Dave wrote: Yankees = SupermanKrytonite = ?????kryptonite = devil raysActually, they're 4-1 against them this season.  And they have a 4 game series against TB this weekend, which should be a good test of whether or not they've gotten rid of the devil ray hex.

Bulldogcakes

07-06-2006, 02:30 PM

Yeah, The D-Rays are no pushovers anymore. Shit, they're going for a sweep of the Bosox tonite. (Muchas gracias) PLus, no Damon tonite. <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/432946p-364806c.html" target="_self" title="Looks like Chacon's history">Looks like Chacon's history</a> CLEVELAND - It appears unlikely that Shawn
Chacon will make his scheduled start Sunday, but that could be the
least of his concerns. With Chacon failing to show any of the magic he
had last season, his time with the Yankees could be coming to an end. 
The Yankees have had internal discussions about designating Chacon for
assignment, according to sources, in the hope that they could send him
to the minors (because of his service time, Chacon can't be optioned).
If he were designated, however, another team could claim him on
waivers, ending his time in pinstripes.

cougarjake13

07-06-2006, 02:44 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Yeah, The D-Rays are no pushovers anymore. Shit, they're going for a sweep of the Bosox tonite. (Muchas gracias) PLus, no Damon tonite. hell even when the d rays were much worse they still played the yanks and sawx well<img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

HBox

07-06-2006, 03:36 PM

Who is Aaron Guile, and what is he doing on the Yankees and not in Street Fighter 2?

marcymark

07-06-2006, 03:57 PM

Giambi breaks slide 2-o

crb1

07-06-2006, 04:04 PM

HBox wrote: Who is Aaron Guile, and what is he doing on the Yankees and not in Street Fighter 2? He was claimed off waivers...from the Royals.  From what I understand, Earl's softball team passed on him.

Tenbatsuzen

07-06-2006, 04:07 PM

HBox wrote: Who is Aaron Guile, and what is he doing on the Yankees and not in Street Fighter 2?    <img width="170" height="213" border="0" src="http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b256/marcopotter/street%20fighter/JeanClaudeVanDamme1.jpg" />

Tenbatsuzen

07-06-2006, 04:12 PM

Dear Michael Kay: <img width="515" height="330" border="0" src="http://www.grupo-utopia.com/blog/isou/archives/shhhhhh.jpg" /> OK?  For once?

Tenbatsuzen

07-06-2006, 04:18 PM

Holy fuck... I am going to kill Kay.

zildjian361

07-06-2006, 04:27 PM

Did Michael Kay get SEE YA from Ron & Fez or is it the other way around? I think it's about even.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/drunk.gif" border="0" />

RingWraith

07-06-2006, 09:02 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Yeah, The D-Rays are no pushovers anymore. Shit, they're going for a sweep of the Bosox tonite. (Muchas gracias) PLus, no Damon tonite. <a title="Looks like Chacon's history" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/432946p-364806c.html" target="_self">Looks like Chacon's history</a> CLEVELAND - It appears unlikely that Shawn Chacon will make his scheduled start Sunday, but that could be the least of his concerns. With Chacon failing to show any of the magic he had last season, his time with the Yankees could be coming to an end. The Yankees have had internal discussions about designating Chacon for assignment, according to sources, in the hope that they could send him to the minors (because of his service time, Chacon can't be optioned). If he were designated, however, another team could claim him on waivers, ending his time in pinstripes.   It's a shame Chacon didn't develop to be at least a #4 or 5 starter.  I think he still could, but I guess his time in NY is almost done.

RingWraith

07-06-2006, 09:04 PM

A solid, dependable #4 or 5 starter is what I mean.

Bulldogcakes

07-07-2006, 03:54 PM

<a href="http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/damon_still_hurting_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_self" title="Chacon to M's?">Chacon to M's?</a>Shawn Chacon went from the Yankees' rotation to the bullpen yesterday. Now there is a chance he could be headed to Seattle. According
to several industry sources there is a possibility the Yankees will
send the slumping Chacon to the Mariners for right-hander Joel Pineiro.
The sources explained teams know Chacon is available and the Mariners
have a scout watching the Yankees at Jacobs Field. Swapping Chacon for Pineiro would be a deal involving two struggling right-handers. Chacon,
28, is 4-3 with a 6.71 ERA and has given up 66 hits in 532/3 innings.
He lost his spot in the rotation for Sunday when the Yankees will start
Kris Wilson against the Devil Rays in St. Petersburg. Pineiro, 27, is 6-7 with a 5.86 ERA. In his last four outings he has given up 25 hits and 14 earned runs in 151/3 frames. His next scheduled start is Sunday.  I'd prefer someone from the NL. Sometimes it takes a while for the league to catch up with you, and you can get a gfood month or two out of someone. Like we did w/Chacon last year.  <a href="http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/damon_still_hurting_yankees_george_king.htm" target="_self" title="Chacon to M's?"></a>

BoondockSaint

07-07-2006, 04:00 PM

You want LimaTime?

Tenbatsuzen

07-07-2006, 06:45 PM

Does anybody watch "Yankees Ultimate Roadtrip"?  This is one of the most awful shows ever.

Bulldogcakes

07-09-2006, 04:32 AM

Wang was terrific again last night and seems to be finding his groove as a pitcher. He used to be prone to big innings, in particular with men on base when he had to pitch from the stretch. But he had a few innings  last night where the grounders he wants found holes and And HOLEY FUCKING SHIT how good was Posada last night? Threw out 2 baserunners with beautiful throws to 2nd.  And Melky was the hero with the bat last night. Twice he took the hard throwing Kasmir the other way, once for an out and once for a double. But that shows me he's making adjustments to who's pitching. Plus another terrific catch in the outfield, saving a double. I dont care if he has no pop, I love this kid. You know, this much maligned Yankee pitching staff has actually been very solid lately. 4th in the league in ERA and runs allowed. Wright and Unit have been solid with the occasional clunker. Wang and Moose have been their most consistent starters. And the bullpen is finally getting the rest it needs.

Tenbatsuzen

07-09-2006, 05:11 PM

Was it just imagination, or did Bernie Williams steal a base and Sterling said, "Bernie Goes Vroom!"

DirtyJersey

07-09-2006, 06:02 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Does anybody watch "Yankees Ultimate Roadtrip"?  This is one of the most awful shows ever.  I watch it cause I like the awfulness. Last years was pretty awful also. I always thought that "Dave" from the last season looked just like ESD.

HBox

07-13-2006, 01:03 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2518391" target="_blank">NNNNOOOOOO!!!!</a>

Marc with a c

07-13-2006, 01:08 PM

ha!that would be sir sidney to you. what a fat joke.

Don Stugots

07-13-2006, 02:09 PM

this is the big move that we needed.  world series here we come.  no one can stop us with sir sidney on the hill.

cougarjake13

07-13-2006, 02:13 PM

when did the cards get rid of him ???? i didnt even hear about his release but what a dumb move by the cards cause now the spankees are unstoppable<img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

TheGameHHH

07-13-2006, 02:22 PM

i'm seriously going to fucking puke

cougarjake13

07-13-2006, 02:37 PM

well ponson started off the season well but in the last few weeks just lost it all, and i cant imagine the yanks are paying all that much so theres really not much risk here

spoon

07-13-2006, 02:54 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: well ponson started off the season well but in the last few weeks just lost it all, and i cant imagine the yanks are paying all that much so theres really not much risk here It ran the pay structure down in the article:"Since Ponson cleared waivers Wednesday, the Yankees will be responsible for the pro-rated portion of the minimum salary for the rest of this season. St. Louis will pay the rest of Ponson's $1 million salary." Not a bad move in terms of potential, but a horid move in terms of team chemistry and character.  The yanks have been doing this for years now and it's shocking.  They'll do anything to win, so much for world class organization.   "Ponson was convicted last December of driving while impaired and sentenced to five days in jail -- his arrest in August marked his third drunk driving offense. The pitcher also spent 11 days in jail in his native Aruba after fighting on a beach."

HBox

07-13-2006, 02:56 PM

Eveyrthing they were supposedly pissed off at Chacon about (bad attitude, out of shape, bad performance) are even worse problems with Ponson. At least they didn't give up anything for him. Still, if I were to choose between Chacon and Ponson, give Chacon another couple chances.

spoon

07-13-2006, 03:10 PM

I agree, perhaps dangle a carrot or two.  For Ponson, they'll have to dangle a little crack and a devil dog.  David Wells has nothing on Ponson baby!

DirtyJersey

07-13-2006, 03:14 PM

This is bad news if you ask me. I loved to hate Ponson when he was on the Orioles. Didn't he punch a judge on the beach in his homeland of Aruba. This should be interesting.

Bulldogcakes

07-13-2006, 05:55 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: well ponson started off the season well but in the last few weeks just lost it all, and i cant imagine the yanks are paying all that much so theres really not much risk here Exactly. He's a 5th starter, and he's probably the best option they have right now. And if it doesn't work, you try someone else and release him. Dont forget, the Yanks were holding weekly auditions before Chacon and Small caught on last year. He's worth a try.And how many chances does Chacon get? HE CANT THROW STRIKES. Been there, done that. Plus I never worry about the Yankee clubhouse. I've heard that BS for years. Daryll Strawberry, Dwight Gooden, Ruben Sierra, Canseco, on and on. All of them came here with BIGGER question marks and were fine. If he fucks up, you cut him. And he's singing for his supper at this point. And if you look at the guy, dinner is a big deal to him.       

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 7-13-06 @ 10:00 PM

zildjian361

07-13-2006, 05:57 PM

HERE WE GO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN  LET'S MAKE IT 9 AL EAST CHAMPIONSHIPS IN A ROW AND THEN GET SERIOUS<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/annoyed.gif" border="0" />

Don Stugots

07-13-2006, 05:59 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  cougarjake13 wrote: well ponson started off the season well but in the last few weeks just lost it all, and i cant imagine the yanks are paying all that much so theres really not much risk here  Exactly. He's a 5th starter, and he's probably the best option they have right now. And if it doesn't work, you try someone else and release him. Dont forget, the Yanks were holding weekly auditions before Chacon and Small caught on last year. He's worth a try.   get my glove, i'm going in.

Tenbatsuzen

07-13-2006, 06:14 PM

Let me be a Pat Positive here. Do you think the White Sox were freaking out just as much when Contreras landed in their laps? Give the guy a shot before you kill him.  Just because a guy is a drunken driver doesn't make him a horrific, horrible person.  Some of the biggest assholes I know have a clean criminal record.

zildjian361

07-13-2006, 06:27 PM

spoon

07-13-2006, 06:44 PM

Wow!  You may want to reverse that one bitch!

This message was edited by spoon on 7-13-06 @ 11:00 PM

TheGameHHH

07-13-2006, 10:14 PM

Give the guy a shot before you kill him.  Just because a guy is a drunken driver doesn't make him a horrific, horrible person.  Some of the biggest assholes I know have a clean criminal record. I don't give a shit how he is as a person, I'd take Brett Myers at this point. It's not about him being a drunk, it's about him sucking.

Tenbatsuzen

07-14-2006, 04:40 PM

Let me do my John Sterling... IT'S A SONIC BOOM FROM GUIEL, AND THE YANKEES LEAD 3-2!

narc

07-14-2006, 06:56 PM

I love when the Yankees win and the Jays and Sox lose. Especially when the Sox lose convincingly.

Tenbatsuzen

07-14-2006, 10:41 PM

This blurb at The Gothamist yesterday really pissed me off: On the other side of town, the Yankees are in survival mode. Unwilling
to part with their best prospects, they are finding the trade market
very barren. Yesterday, they added Sidney Ponson, who had been waived
by the Cardinals, to the rotation. With Hideki Matsui and Gray
Sheffield expected back in late August, the Yankees could make a strong
run in September, provided they are still in the race. Adding a bat or
an arm now would do a lot to ensure that, but it is also nice to see
Brian Cashman refusing to deal away the youth of the team for a change.
The problem is, with Detroit and Chicago streaking in the Central, the
Yankees may only be able to reach the playoffs by winning the division
and that seems unlikely at this point. Holy crap. This is written with a straight face when the Yankees are only 2 1/2 games out (at the time of being written) with EIGHTY-ONE GAMES LEFT IN THE SEASON,  and NINE of those games against the Sox!   Ugh.