Official 2006 Boston Red Sox Thead [Archive]

Snoogans

02-15-2006, 04:57 PM

time to start this shit againHA 

This message was edited by Fallon on 8-30-06 @ 12:15 AM

TheMojoPin

02-15-2006, 05:01 PM

I demand a show of hands of the Red Sox fans here.

Snoogans

02-15-2006, 05:35 PM

i know of at least 5, which seems to be well beyond our required 2 fans for a thread, shit spoon is the ONLY blue jays fan and they had a thread

ADF

02-15-2006, 08:01 PM

I own a BoSox windbreaker that I bought at Fenway because I was cold.  Does that count?

Marc with a c

02-15-2006, 08:02 PM

go sox. i heard jonny damon kisses boys

TheGameHHH

02-15-2006, 08:55 PM

you know what's weird? the Red Sox are gay. All of 'em.

HBox

02-15-2006, 08:57 PM

I can't wait until Curt Schilling explodes on Josh Beckett after he misses his 5th straight start due to a blister.

Snoogans

02-15-2006, 08:58 PM

holy shit, a yankee fan just called red sox players gay? correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the main attackee of your gay chants towards boston abou tthe guy you signed to add to the "prettiest" baseball team in history? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

A.J.

02-16-2006, 05:35 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: I demand a show of hands of the Red Sox fans here. Here.<img height="280" src="http://www.rockhard.de/images/Rush%20-%20A%20Show%20of%20Hads.jpg" width="280" border="0" />

Bulldogcakes

02-16-2006, 01:14 PM

HBox wrote: I can't wait until Curt Schilling explodes on Josh Beckett after he misses his 5th straight start due to a blister.  Blisters might be <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=klapisch_bob&id=2325941" target="_self" title="the least of his problems ">the least of his problems </a>according to some Red Sox execs
The Sox are just as hopeful (or anxious) about <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6403">Josh Beckett</a>,
who has the chance to be a young Schilling -- or just Josh Beckett,
who's won more than nine games just once in his career and whose ERA on
the road last year was almost two runs higher than at Pro Player
Stadium. There's a whispering campaign under way about Beckett's
health, as well, focused on his right shoulder that's in rougher shape
than anyone at Fenway is letting on. It's no secret that at least one
Red Sox executive was ready to kill the Beckett trade with Florida
after an MRI of the right-hander's shoulder revealed excessive wear and
tear. Thats from Bob Klapish's latest column on ESPN.com. Bob's first rate, if he reports it its usually good info.   <blockquote />

TheGameHHH

02-16-2006, 09:56 PM

i'm not kidding, every single player on the red sox loves cock in their mouth. I can't help it, I report the truth.

A.J.

02-17-2006, 04:10 AM

You're saying Red Sox players love to eat chicken?  That's nothing new.<img height="478" src="http://images.art.com/images/-/Wade-Boggs---Red-Sox--C10107090.jpeg" width="383" border="0" />

spoon

02-28-2006, 02:25 AM

Snoogans wrote: i know of at least 5, which seems to be well beyond our required 2 fans for a thread, shit spoon is the ONLY blue jays fan and they had a thread Wow, way to throw a fellow yankee hater's thread under the bus!  I'll remember that one punk.  Apparently Snoogans brought the heat on my Blue Jay thread and I didn't even realize it.  You're dead to me bitch!  It's a shame what has become of the Dead Sox and their biggest pothead fan!  Yet I still hate the Yankees exponentially more.  And it's funny to hear HHH talk so fondly of his true love.....cock.  How's that Gambling Addiction!?  It's in caps bc it's that funny.  What are you more heavily into?  Cock or Bad Bets?  That might be redundant, but not for you I suppose.

This message was edited by spoon on 2-28-06 @ 6:27 AM

Fallon

03-01-2006, 07:40 PM

<strike>Ricky Williams</strike> Manny Ramirez arrives at camp today.<img border="0" src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060301/capt.fmy10103011745.red_sox_ramirez_baseball_fmy10 1.jpg?x=242&y=345&sig=2t4X8HPUajHpeQY5di_qdg--" />

TheMojoPin

03-01-2006, 08:05 PM

He's just getting to camp TODAY?

Fallon

03-01-2006, 08:17 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: He's just getting to camp TODAY?  They allowed him to report March 1st.My guess is a secret agreement that he could come late if he didn't play in the WBC (which he's not now). Sox already have nine guys going.

A.J.

03-02-2006, 03:40 AM

Fallon wrote: <strike>Ricky Williams</strike> Manny Ramirez arrives at camp today.<img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060301/capt.fmy10103011745.red_sox_ramirez_baseball_fmy10 1.jpg?x=242&y=345&sig=2t4X8HPUajHpeQY5di_qdg--" border="0" /> Let the mood swings begin!

A.J.

03-20-2006, 08:29 AM

Oh good...another outfielder.<a href="http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060320&content_id=1356574&vkey=spt2006news&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos" target="_self">Arroyo traded to Reds for Willy Mo Pena</a>

Snoogans

03-20-2006, 08:36 AM

i like this move actually. Makes me think what might happen the first time manny starts doggin it

A.J.

03-20-2006, 08:38 AM

One left handed starter.  IF Wells is healthy and stays.That concerns me.

Fallon

03-20-2006, 10:25 AM

Sox fucked Arroyo. He signed for a lower contract to stay in Boston.

Sox also signed Juan Gonzalez to a minor league deal.

coffeeal401

03-20-2006, 11:08 AM

At least this is a real rivalry. 2nd place 8 years in a row.18 sucks you should have paid him and his weak throwing arm,he wont last out his contract.fucking kiss ass. this has nothing to do with anything we post,<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" />

Bulldogcakes

03-20-2006, 03:17 PM

The Aaron Boone trade (for Willie Mo Pena and Branden Claussen)The gift that just keeps on giving.

ShelleBink

03-20-2006, 03:28 PM

Woooo Snoogans, this thread is really blowin' up. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/rolleyes.gif" />

OGC

03-20-2006, 03:38 PM

I'm happy to raise my hand and say that I'm a Red Sox fan.As  for the Red Sox fucking Arroyo... I hate to see him go, and I feelbad that it happened after he signed that hometown discounted deal,but there were no promises made.

Bulldogcakes

03-21-2006, 04:08 PM

richg0404 wrote: I'm happy to raise my hand and say that I'm a Red Sox fan.As for the Red Sox fucking Arroyo... I hate to see him go, and I feelbad that it happened after he signed that hometown discounted deal,but there were no promises made. Then dont bitch about Damon's "disloyalty" by signing with the Yanks then. When you guys fuck over a player, its "Oops, sorry. Well no promises made" Any player who shows "loyalty" to a ballclub is a fool. I bet Bronson Arroyo wishes he never signed that deal now. <blockquote />

OGC

03-21-2006, 04:33 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Then dont bitch about Damon's "disloyalty" by signing with the Yanks then. When you guys fuck over a player, its "Oops, sorry. Well no promises made" Any player who shows "loyalty" to a ballclub is a fool. I bet Bronson Arroyo wishes he never signed that deal now. Check my post. I didn't say a word about Damon's "disloyalty".  In fact, no one has said anything like that in this thread.I learned a long time ago that there is no loyalty to either players or teams. At least not in successful franchises.More power to any player who wants to go to another team for more money. I know that if another company offered me a lot more money and/or more security, I wouldn't show much loyalty either.

Bulldogcakes

03-21-2006, 04:40 PM

You didn't say it, but alot of Red Sox fans did when it happened. I didn't mean that to read like it was aimed at you . I was just saying dont try to have it both ways, and understand why a player goes elsewhere. Which alot of fans (not you) dont seem to get. 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-21-06 @ 8:42 PM

Snoogans

03-21-2006, 05:15 PM

Then dont bitch about Damon's
"disloyalty" by signing with the Yanks then. When you guys fuck over a
player, its "Oops, sorry. Well no promises made" funny thing is, i dont ever remember the Red Sox saying "We will never trade Bronson Arroyo". I do remember Johnny Damon saying "I will never play for the Yankees".

Bulldogcakes

03-21-2006, 05:21 PM

Why would he ever say a silly thing like that? Who does he think he is, Roger Clemens?

Davios

03-21-2006, 05:43 PM

Snoogans wrote:   Then dont bitch about Damon's "disloyalty" by signing with the Yanks then. When you guys fuck over a player, its "Oops, sorry. Well no promises made"    funny thing is, i dont ever remember the Red Sox saying "We will never trade Bronson Arroyo". I do remember Johnny Damon saying "I will never play for the Yankees".  He actually supposedly had a hand shake agreement with Jed and Ben when they were in co- gm mode to not trade him this season, according to the Boston Globe following his deal being signed. I totally agree that there is no loyalty in this sport and Bronson was the idiot who agreed to it. It still says a whole lot about the Red Sox though when his agent was ADAMANT about him not signing that deal, and Jed and Ben tried endlessly to assure him everything would work out if he signed. Going as far as to use the popular Red Sox excuse that no one on the team gets no trade clauses, and they can't make him the exception. And in regards to Bulldog I know it hasn't been said here in this thread specifically, but I know Damon being a disloyal prick has been proclaimed on other threads. Like it or not, this is an organization who plays that card pretty often. They did it with Clemens,they they did it with Pedro, they did it with Boggs to some extent, and they most certainly did it with Damon. It is quite frankly just the ESPN mindset that brainwashes people into always thinking that the team is ALWAYSin the right and the player is in the wrong because he makes alot of money. Sportscenter pounds it into everyone's that TO is a disloyal fuck and the Eagles front office is in the right, yet NFL teams simply toss players on the street every year because they had a subpar season whether they signed a long term contract or not.

Snoogans

03-21-2006, 05:55 PM

the thing about Damon was not that he left. I dont think anyone would have been mad at that really, just that he went to a place he specifically said he would never play just made him look like a scumbag. As far as Clemens, how exactly did they play the disloyalty card? They got rid of Clemens, and the management said he was done and in the twilight of his career. Nobody got mad until he went to the Yanks AFTER Toronto, and that was only the fans who were mad.

Death Metal Moe

03-21-2006, 05:56 PM

<img height="170" src="http://www.cinefile.biz/fmj4.jpg" width="250" border="0" />"We are here to help the BoSox Fans, because inside every Sox Fan there is a Yankees fan trying to get out."

Davios

03-21-2006, 06:29 PM

Snoogans wrote: As far as Clemens, how exactly did they play the disloyalty card? They got rid of Clemens, and the management said he was done and in the twilight of his career. Nobody got mad until he went to the Yanks AFTER Toronto, and that was only the fans who were mad.  I can say point blank, living in Boston back then, that is a completely false statement. At the point of Clemens going to Toronto, he took ALOT of heat from not just the organization but the fans as well. They completely turned against him in large part due to the media insuinating he was dogging it and taking time off over minor injuries. At his tail end he was still putting up great numbers, but since the team didn't have that translate into wins he took the blame. All of that was further fueled by him being TRADED, not signed, to the Yankees. The rancor towards him, however, was totally there before him ever puttin on a Yankee uniform.

Bulldogcakes

03-22-2006, 02:52 PM

From Buster Olney's blog(Willie Mo) Pena is one of those players who is better in theory than in
reality. His home run ratio looks great on paper. But on a daily basis,
he's been the kind of player who can kill a team, with his strikeouts
and his defense (which scouts say is poor and getting worse). Opposing
managers, catchers and pitchers will rush to work around the hitters in
front of him to get to Pena, because of his strikeouts.
He's also played in a great offensive ballpark in Cincinnati,
where he has hit .262, compared to .234 on the road, and Pena is the
kind of hitter, so far in his career, that good pitchers exploit.
Looked at his numbers against the best pitchers in his own division,
and the results are brutal.

Versus Kerry Wood, Carlos Zambrano, Mark Prior, Andy Pettitte, Roy Oswalt, Brad Lidge, Ben Sheets, Chris Capuano, Chris Carpenter, Jason Isringhausen, Mark Mulder, Oliver Perez and Zach Duke, these are Pena's stats: 120 at-bats, 33 hits, four homers and 53 strikeouts.
Three of the homers were against lefties (two vs. Perez, one vs.
Capuano). In 68 at-bats against right-handed pitchers on this list, he
has 33 punchouts and one homer. These numbers suggest he was totally
overmatched.

BoondockSaint

03-27-2006, 02:04 PM

You got knocked the fuck out, man!!!!<img height="324" src="http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_3.27._tavar_one_ap.jpg" width="389" border="0" /><img height="316" src="http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_3.27._tavar_two_ap.jpg" width="391" border="0" /><a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/" target="_self">For the second straight day, the Red Sox were involved in a bench-clearing incident in a spring training game.</a>

Fallon

03-27-2006, 02:40 PM

Sox fucking hate the DRays. Always something going on with them two. Tavarez is gonna be liked around here.

Snoogans

03-27-2006, 05:41 PM

i already love him, i still want Izzy Izturas back

TheMojoPin

03-28-2006, 07:52 AM

Hopefully when the Red Sox play the Yankees this year, Kyle Farnsworth can show him how to not fight like such a fucking sissy...<img height="350" src="http://cubscast.com/images/week11.jpg" width="317" border="0" />

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 3-28-06 @ 11:53 AM

Snoogans

03-28-2006, 09:48 AM

hopefully, cause you know Farnsworth isnt gonna show anyone how to hit the strike zone

Bulldogcakes

03-30-2006, 03:50 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2390608" target="_self" title="Tavarez gets 10">Tavarez gets 10</a>Bob Watson, baseball's vice president in charge of discipline, cited
Tavarez for "violent and unsportsmanlike actions" during Monday's game
against the Devil Rays. Tavarez punched Tampa Bay's <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7348">Joey Gathright</a> lightly on the jaw after a play at home plate.The penalty would start next Monday, when Boston plays its season opener, unless the players' association appeals. <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2390608" target="_self" title="Tavarez gets 10"></a>

A.J.

04-04-2006, 04:28 AM

First Opening Day win in 5 years.  That was pleasant.

A.J.

04-05-2006, 04:37 AM

I miss Doug Mirabelli.

Fallon

04-18-2006, 06:26 PM

Papelbon gets his 7th save tonight. He wasn't as sharp as he usualy is tonight and was saved by a hell of a webgem by Adam Stern.Manny is starting to come around too.

BoondockSaint

04-18-2006, 06:29 PM

Manny could wait until June and still get 40hr and 120rbi.

spoon

04-18-2006, 11:50 PM

Man Snoogs, if that guy missed the ball for the third out in the ninth you're looking at a tie game.  He took one hell of a risk there and just managed to snow cone that ball.  Just like the Iguci (sp) play the Jays endured at Chicago, it looks great when you pull it off but was it smart.  More so the Iguci play, but with Manny backing him up (he was no where near the play), that's definitely clearing the bases and Pap Smear suffers his first blown save.  Can anyone else please beat these boys before Manny gets rolling?  Holy shit man.

cougarjake13

04-21-2006, 02:57 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Manny could wait until June and still get 40hr and 120rbi.   see thats the problem if he could do that kind of production not counting the first 2 months just think of what he could be doing if he played hard all year

Fallon

04-21-2006, 03:57 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Manny could wait until June and still get 40hr and 120rbi.  Ortiz and Manny just went back to back.Awesome.

Fallon

04-21-2006, 05:09 PM

Manny hits his second bomb of the game.HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'S BAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

cougarjake13

04-21-2006, 05:14 PM

Fallon wrote: Manny hits his second bomb of the game.HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'S BAAAAAAAAAAAACK! where'd he go ????

Snoogans

04-21-2006, 05:15 PM

Obidience school so he would stop fuckin doggin it

cougarjake13

04-21-2006, 05:21 PM

nice !!!but i guess thats just manny being manny

Bulldogcakes

04-23-2006, 06:06 AM

<a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/04/21/wells_not_optimistic_on_future/" target="_self" title="Looks like Wells is done">Looks like Wells is done</a>David Wells played catch yesterday and planned to
undergo his second of three Synvisc injections in his right knee last
night. In the interim, the soon-to-be 43-year-old did not sound
optimistic about his ability to again pitch with health.''Nah," Wells said, when asked if the initial injection helped. ''It
still hurts. I could feel it on almost every [throw]. If I struggle to
play catch, imagine pitching."  So they need another starter, unless they move Papelbon out of the closer's role and use Foulke. And the way both Papelbon and Foulke are pitching, I doubt that.  <a href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spflash234714067apr23,0,5660348.column?coll=ny-sports-print" target="_self" title="story">Story </a> Roger redo? Word circulating in baseball circles is that Roger
Clemens is seriously considering the Red Sox and Yankees and won't
automatically return to the Astros, as many believed (yours truly
included) originally.  <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/3811727.html" target="_self" title="Clemens back to Houston">Clemens back to Houston? </a>McLane's profit — whether $30 million or $9 million — will vaporize when negotiations with the Hendrickses regarding Roger Clemens begin on May 1.
"I'm going to call him the first day," McLane said. "Roger knows
that and Randy (Hendricks) knows that. I told Roger he better be ready
to go May 1."
McLane knows the Red Sox and Yankees almost certainly will offer more money. Clemens has mentioned signing for "the going rate." I think its clear by now Clemens has always gone where the money is. And the shorter season for him will make his family concerns less of a factor. I doubt the Yanks will go after him real hard. So my guess is Clemens goes back to Boston.  <a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/04/21/wells_not_optimistic_on_future/" target="_self" title="Looks like Wells is done"></a>

Snoogans

04-23-2006, 07:49 AM

i think after this, The Sox will offer clemens all of Cambridge to get him on the team. Personally, I think they have to do something. It wouldnt be so bad if Leonardo was a terrible pitcher. Id almost consider moving Paps back to the starting role, leaving foulke where he is, and bringing up Hanson now. Give it 2 weeks and see how it goes.

Fallon

05-01-2006, 09:32 AM

<a target='blank' href=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060501/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_red_sox_padres_trade_2>Doug Mirabelli Is Traded Back to Red Sox</a>
Thank god!

Tall_James

05-01-2006, 09:41 AM

Fallon wrote: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060501/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_red_sox_padres_trade_2" target="blank">Doug Mirabelli Is Traded Back to Red Sox</a> Thank god! An oldie but a goodie - "A Day in the Life of Doug Mirabelli"9:00 Shakes off the cobwebs and gets out of bed.9:01 Lets out blistering fart and takes 90 second piss on his hands - farts five more times.9:03 Drinks three raw eggs Rocky Balboa style and opens the fridge.9:05 Takes out leftovers from the Kowloon pupu platter for three he picked up last night.9:15 Grunts at his wife and gives hid kids 20 bucks each to leave him alone. 9:17 Takes a dump.9:22 Sings Van Halen in the shower.9:25 Shaves and leaves his soul patch.9:30 Takes 35 vicious cuts with his bat naked in front of the mirror - screams out loud "Dougie's going deep tonight!"9:45 Puts on his cowboy boots, tight jeans, and tank-top and gets ready to leave.9:50 Grunts at his wife and kids and tells them he'll see them tomorrow. 9:57 Pulls onto Rt 1 with Led Zeppelin blaring - cuts three peopleoff - gives the finger to all three people.10:15 Pulls into <font face="Aria

A.J.

05-01-2006, 09:56 AM

Fallon wrote: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060501/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_red_sox_padres_trade_2" target="blank">Doug Mirabelli Is Traded Back to Red Sox</a> Thank god! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!

FezPaul

05-01-2006, 10:10 AM

ESPN Classic is playing the 2003 ALCS. game 7AARON FUCKING BOONE.Tune in and re-live the pain.You know you want to.

A.J.

05-01-2006, 10:14 AM

FezPaul wrote:  ESPN Classic is playing the 2003 ALCS. game 7AARON FUCKING BOONE.Tune in and re-live the pain.You know you want to.No -- watching Grady Little leave in Pedro hurt more.  That's when I said "Game over".

OGC

05-01-2006, 11:53 AM

Nice to see that Willy Mo Pena FINALLY has more home runs than Bronson Arroyo.

Fallon

05-01-2006, 04:23 PM

http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/Damon.JPG

Fallon

05-01-2006, 06:21 PM

Papi comes up huge again and Pap was throwing some real heat.

Awesome.

A.J.

05-02-2006, 07:41 AM

I saw this sign in the bleachers during last night's game.  Stupid people making a stupid argument -- unless they were cheering Theo for bringing back Mirabelli:<img src="http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/trader.jpg" border="0" />

This message was edited by A.J. on 5-2-06 @ 11:42 AM

Terragen

05-02-2006, 08:08 AM

Red Sox fan checking in, just in time to cheer about Big Papi's shot in the 8th, perfectly dunked into the corner of 'ol Fenway. That whole park is a monster! And Ortiz is the Monster-tamer!LETS GO RED SOX

Bulldogcakes

05-02-2006, 03:44 PM

Rained out Make up date August 18th double header.

joeyballsack

05-09-2006, 04:29 PM

Someone needs to represent on this mutha fucka since we are shelling Johnson in Yankee Stadium tonight. Where are fallon and the other Sox fans ?

Fallon

05-09-2006, 07:28 PM

joeyballsack wrote: Where are fallon and the other Sox fans ?

Work.

Got to hear Manny's shot though and just saw the highlights. What a blowout.

spoon

05-09-2006, 08:42 PM

But come on man, everyone shells that old man any more!

Fallon

05-14-2006, 10:38 AM

Another rainout.

:(

joeyballsack

05-22-2006, 04:13 PM

Manny goes yard !<img height="202" src="http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/08/12/53/image_1853128.jpg" width="170" border="0" />

OGC

05-22-2006, 04:27 PM

Wow the Yankees look terrible in the field. I never thought I'd see the day that the Sox out fielded anyone

Fallon

05-22-2006, 06:41 PM

richg0404 wrote: Wow the Yankees look terrible in the field. I never thought I'd see the day that the Sox out fielded anyone  First in the AL this season!Sox really took it to the Yanks tonight. Foulke came in and made it look close.

spoon

05-22-2006, 09:09 PM

Seriously, the Sox added solid/great fielder where you need them most via Loretta at 2nd and Gonzo at SS.  Overall they are indeed first in the AL!  I know I'm risking sounding like BDC, but I hope the Jays make a big bid at Vidro for 2nd base so the Jays could move Hill back to his natural position at SS and solidify their defense up the middle.  Hell, who knows, perhaps the D-Backs will be up for trading Hudson back to the Jays if out of it in the NL West later on, but I suspect nobody is ever out of it in the NL West.  Bottom line is Russ Adams throws worse than Chuck Knoblach in his prime with the yanks!!  If it wasn't for Weeks, he'd be the leading SS in errors.  If the Jays can get a handle on its infield dilema, they have a decent fielding 3rd baseman in Glaus, a solid infielder in Hill pending on where he ends up, a great fielding 1st baseman in Overbay, and a gold glove catcher in Molina.  They would definately be smart to make a move of some sort and the Vidro thing would be awesome, yet costly.  I'm sure they might be interested in working with Adams, but they'd also want one of our young arms in the farm system and I'm not sure it'd be worth it.  From what I know, they don't have much middle infield prospects ready to make the MLB jump.So in conclusion, the Red Sox were savy in realizing that if there are any positions worth sacrificing offense on, it's SS and 2nd base.  I really like a team like they've formed in Boston, great D and solid starting pitching.

DanesBitch

05-23-2006, 11:51 AM

I have to say that Foulke almost gave me a heart attack last night!  Let's just hope that Wake can make that knuckleball dance tonight!!!!

A.J.

05-30-2006, 03:37 AM

Fucking Clement.

Fallon

06-02-2006, 06:29 PM

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUK!!!

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060603/i/r4222615081.jpg?x=255&y=345&sig=8gchD26TUEcwGu3Sm.Praw--

Snoogans

06-03-2006, 08:03 AM

How about Papelbon. 20 for 20, allowed the 1 run all year. Now if we could find a few more guys to get to him

cougarjake13

06-03-2006, 04:04 PM

Snoogans wrote: How about Papelbon. 20 for 20, allowed the 1 run all year. Now if we could find a few more guys to get to him its still early we'll see if he's still this dominant in late september or if they make it, the playoffs after people have seen him a few times and maybe figure him out<img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

Snoogans

06-03-2006, 05:26 PM

yea how does that explain the teams who have already seen him 3 or 4 times, plus the times they may have seen him the last month of last year. The only team who has even really touched him is Toronto, and Boston cant seem to find anyone to stop them. He has been amazing, especially considering the career coaster he has been on. He wasnt a starter, he was a closer til Boston got him, thats why its been no problem. They were tryin to make him a starter.

cougarjake13

06-04-2006, 10:18 AM

well its different for closers who you only see for an inning or 2 at the most per game whereas a starter you'll see for 5+ innings a start, yeh you may see a closer for all three games of a series but its not lumped together like one start is <img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

Snoogans

06-04-2006, 10:49 AM

just give him credit, ya bum

cougarjake13

06-04-2006, 10:56 AM

Snoogans wrote: just give him credit, ya bum i give him all the credit in the world just cant anoint him the next dennis eckersley yet

Bulldogcakes

06-04-2006, 11:12 AM

Do I get to put Melky Cabrera in the Hall of Fame yet? Just kidding, he's been great. Closers are a funny breed, though. Guys seem unbeatable and unhittable, and then the next thing you know they cant get anyone out. Think about how great guys like Wohlers and Rocker were. Even Lidge hasn't been the same since last years playoffs. Very fragile bunch. And with any rookie, you really dont know what you have until they've been through the entire league a few times. But so far, he's been great.

A.J.

06-07-2006, 04:10 AM

Do we lead the league in leaving RISP?  I was encouraged by Pauley's pitching but unsurprised by the lack of run support.

Snoogans

06-07-2006, 10:31 AM

You guys are retarded. I dont remember typing that Papelbon will be a lights out closer for 10 years like Mo. I gave him credit for what he has done now.

cougarjake13

06-07-2006, 12:55 PM

Snoogans wrote: You guys are retarded. I dont remember typing that Papelbon will be a lights out closer for 10 years like Mo. I gave him credit for what he has done now. yeh but he's only done it for like 60 some odd games and that was my point how many times do we see a guy whether its a starter or closer who is lights out incredible in their rookie year and the next year suck ass, some rebound in year 3 and some you never hear from again<img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

Snoogans

06-07-2006, 04:25 PM

so that means im not allowed to complment how he is playin now?

spoon

06-07-2006, 10:41 PM

Nope, now shut it!  <img src="http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/ccarter/2005/07/26/axe.jpg" border="0" />

zildjian361

06-08-2006, 04:26 PM

C on a baseball shirt, this aint hockey . that is why the YANKS are a tradition.

Don Stugots

06-08-2006, 04:29 PM

on the Yanks you know who is the captain. a "C" on his jersey is needed.

Snoogans

06-08-2006, 07:44 PM

He puts the C on his jersey so people dont think its in his mouth like Jeter's

Fallon

06-11-2006, 01:03 PM

Papi<img width="307" height="344" border="0" src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060611/capt.4a77ac657407400fbbddd109d1418338.rangers_red_ sox_baseball_bxf105.jpg?x=307&y=345&sig=sJX.MprxgYFuwAXQy3QWhg--" /> Being <img width="380" height="251" border="0" src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060611/i/r3750614310.jpg?x=380&y=251&sig=AdXIdWt7rua2LZRuoz35Hg--" />Papi! <img width="380" height="253" border="0" src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060611/i/r183312827.jpg?x=380&y=253&sig=00n9.kunmRgsPyeWKV8ELA--" />

spoon

06-11-2006, 01:42 PM

Snoogans wrote: He puts the C on his jersey so people dont think its in his mouth like Jeter's Arod in Jeter's mouth?  Take that Lord of Iron!

Fallon

06-25-2006, 12:17 PM

<a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/gallery/ortizwalkoffs/" target="_blank">Mr. Clutch</a><a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/gallery/ortizwalkoffs/" target="_blank"></a>

Fallon

06-26-2006, 04:17 PM

Papi does it again. 9 in a row for the Sox!

Bulldogcakes

06-27-2006, 03:17 PM

So how do you Sox fans feel about Pedro coming back tomorrow in a Met uniform?

BoondockSaint

06-27-2006, 03:41 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: So how do you Sox fans feel about Pedro coming back tomorrow in a Met uniform? They just gave him a standing ovation.

Fallon

06-27-2006, 08:37 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: So how do you Sox fans feel about Pedro coming back tomorrow in a Met uniform? 

Pedro is still loved here.

We have lots of Dominicans.

Bulldogcakes

06-29-2006, 02:24 PM

Thoughts and prayers for Peter Gammons, who's still in intensive care after suffering a brain anyeurism. One of the best sports writers in the country, if not the best.

Fallon

06-29-2006, 07:34 PM

12 wins in a row.16 straight errorless games (ties MLB record)Catch of the year...<img width="379" height="255" border="0" src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060630/i/r644452241.jpg?x=380&y=255&sig=mC_TEKwjoQ5H3mfOUhBO3Q--" />

A.J.

06-30-2006, 04:16 AM

That catch was amazing.  Thank God he made it or the Mets would have scored for sure.

A.J.

07-10-2006, 04:57 AM

I'm too lazy to look it up but I can't remember the last time the Sox were in first at the All-Star break.  I hope that's a good sign.

Fallon

07-10-2006, 07:24 AM

Last year they were a game up on the O's and Yanks.

Bulldogcakes

07-15-2006, 04:53 PM

<a href="http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060715&content_id=1558145&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos" target="_self" title="Wells on road to wellville">Wells on road to wellville</a>"It's going to be very difficult to put a timetable on this, because of
his history of being able to throw right out of bed," Francona said.
"Because of his arm and the condition of his knee, I don't think it's
out of the question, if everything goes well, [to have him back in] a
couple weeks [for] maybe five innings. I don't think that's out of the
question, but then again, a lot of things have to go right. But at
least it's a heck of a lot better than walking off [on Saturday] and
saying, 'It didn't go well. We've got to shut him down.'" <a href="http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060715&content_id=1558145&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos" target="_self" title="Wells on road to wellville"></a>

A.J.

07-17-2006, 05:21 AM

Oh well, first place was fun.

Marc with a c

07-17-2006, 05:30 AM

sox still have a half game lead.  hopefully they will keep it.

Don Stugots

07-17-2006, 02:22 PM

the yankees are coming up behind, better be on point. Vedder, you are a sox fan?  you are dead to me.

spoon

07-17-2006, 02:41 PM

Perhaps he just hates the spanks like me!

A.J.

07-18-2006, 03:57 AM

Thank you Doug Mirabelli.

Marc with a c

07-18-2006, 04:19 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote: the yankees are coming up behind, better be on point. Vedder, you are a sox fan?  you are dead to me.im a mets fan, yankee hater.  so by default i have to really like the red sox.

HBox

07-22-2006, 04:32 PM

<img border="0" src="http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3554/gabbard2nb7.jpg" /><img border="0" src="http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6403/gabbard1en7.jpg" />GABBARD GABBARD GABBARD!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

This message was edited by HBox on 7-22-06 @ 8:32 PM

A.J.

07-24-2006, 06:42 AM

Fuck!  Wake's out for 3 weeks with a broken rib???

A.J.

07-31-2006, 04:22 AM

Goddammit.

OGC

07-31-2006, 08:56 AM

Anything solid happen on the trade front yet ?

Fallon

07-31-2006, 09:02 AM

Just some pitcher nobody has heard of. This trade deadline has sucked all around.

A.J.

07-31-2006, 09:02 AM

Theo got <a href="http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060730&content_id=1584649&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos" target="_self">another right-handed reliever from the Rangers</a>.

Fallon

07-31-2006, 04:51 PM

Nah, we didn't need some awesome starter. We got Wells back. FUCK!!!

Fallon

07-31-2006, 06:48 PM

ANOTHER game winner for Big Papi. 3-Run Blast to dead center in the bottom of the 9th. Ortiz is fucking insane.

Tenbatsuzen

07-31-2006, 07:17 PM

Fallon wrote: ANOTHER game winner for Big Papi. 3-Run Blast to dead center in the bottom of the 9th. Ortiz is fucking insane.    I always find it humorous that the most loved man in boston has a skin tone that makes Wesley Snipes look caucasian.

TheGameHHH

07-31-2006, 07:28 PM

Big Papi blows Manny before and after every game.

Tenbatsuzen

07-31-2006, 07:29 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: Big Papi blows Manny before and after every game.    No offense, how is that any more witty than, "Dude, A-Rod and Jeter are gay for each other, they have ass sex while looking in the mirror." Don't be that guy.

Fallon

07-31-2006, 07:30 PM

<img width="379" height="269" border="0" src="http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060731/capt.4bdd8f58f008477a9e4ea8c4a5f23668.earns_avon_n ybz301.jpg?x=380&y=269&sig=5qrKFVamcLu90DcbqYXQ4Q--" />FAAAAAAAGGOT!!!

Tenbatsuzen

07-31-2006, 09:24 PM

Fallon wrote: <img width="379" height="269" border="0" src="http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060731/capt.4bdd8f58f008477a9e4ea8c4a5f23668.earns_avon_n ybz301.jpg?x=380&y=269&sig=5qrKFVamcLu90DcbqYXQ4Q--" />FAAAAAAAGGOT!!!    Oh yeah? <img width="275" height="235" border="0" src="http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/images/2005/04/20/rlyNzRhi.jpg" />  THANKS, BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!

TheGameHHH

08-01-2006, 03:57 PM

No offense, how is that any more witty than, "Dude, A-Rod and Jeter are gay for each other, they have ass sex while looking in the mirror." Don't be that guy. I have no qualms with Jeter and A-rod being gay for each other, just like no Sox fan should have a problem with Papi blowing Manny.

cougarjake13

08-01-2006, 04:17 PM

TheGameHHH wrote: No offense, how is that any more witty than, "Dude, A-Rod and Jeter are gay for each other, they have ass sex while looking in the mirror." Don't be that guy.  I have no qualms with Jeter and A-rod being gay for each other, just like no Sox fan should have a problem with Papi blowing Manny. i wonder ... when papi blows manny does manny say "who's your papi ?"

A.J.

08-02-2006, 04:15 AM

Oh well first place was fun.Looks like the injury bug has bitten.  The Captain is down, Trot is down, and so is most of the pitching staff.

Tenbatsuzen

08-02-2006, 08:10 AM

A.J. wrote: Oh well first place was fun.Looks like the injury bug has bitten. The Captain is down, Trot is down, and so is most of the pitching staff.   You still have that terrible, awful negro.

A.J.

08-02-2006, 08:23 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  A.J. wrote: Oh well first place was fun.Looks like the injury bug has bitten. The Captain is down, Trot is down, and so is most of the pitching staff.   You still have that terrible, awful negro.  Valentine?<img src="http://www.eng.umu.se/city/weronica/main_essay/homele2.jpg" border="0" />

Tenbatsuzen

08-02-2006, 08:46 AM

A.J. wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: A.J. wrote: Oh well first place was fun.Looks like the injury bug has bitten. The Captain is down, Trot is down, and so is most of the pitching staff. You still have that terrible, awful negro. Valentine?<img border="0" src="http://www.eng.umu.se/city/weronica/main_essay/homele2.jpg" />   FEELING GOOD, LOUIS!

Bulldogcakes

08-02-2006, 05:07 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2537673" target="_self" title="Its at least a month for Varitek ">Its at least a month for Varitek </a>Early reports said 15 day DL, now he's getting surgery so its at least a month. Mirabelli's an automatic out, but I think the lineup is still good enough to get the job done. Its not like losing Papi or Manny. The pitching staff, however, is a complete mess. <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2537673" target="_self" title="Its at least a month for Varitek "></a>

Don Stugots

08-02-2006, 06:17 PM

ha ha.

HBox

08-02-2006, 06:29 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: ha ha.  Cleveland was winning 5-4 with 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth when you posted this. After you posted this, the Cleveland closer proceeded to hit 2 batters, walked the next one, and gave up a game winning double to Mark Loretta.That win is completely and totally on YOU.

RingWraith

08-02-2006, 06:40 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: ha ha. You jinxed it!

Tenbatsuzen

08-02-2006, 06:45 PM

I motion that Stugots is banned until the Red Sox lose and the Yankees win in the same night.

RingWraith

08-02-2006, 07:27 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: I motion that Stugots is banned until the Red Sox lose and the Yankees win in the same night.  I say "I"!!!!

Fallon

08-02-2006, 07:50 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: ha ha.  ha ha<img width="410" height="308" border="0" src="http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060803/capt.616fb42abde74dd3926932c0dfa90e11.indians_red_ sox_baseball_bxf108.jpg" />

OGC

08-03-2006, 03:14 AM

RingWraith wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: I motion that Stugots is banned until the Red Sox lose and the Yankees win in the same night.I say "I"!!!!I say we let him continue to help the Sox.Thanks Stugots

A.J.

08-03-2006, 04:06 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: The pitching staff, however, is a complete mess. <a title="Its at least a month for Varitek " href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2537673" target="_self"></a>It's not a "mess" -- just on the DL. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/down.gif" border="0" />

crb1

08-03-2006, 04:25 AM

I think a lot will be decided in the Yanks-Sox series in mid-August.  It's 6 games...yes 6 games. 

Crippler

08-03-2006, 07:43 AM

Actually, isn't it 5 games?

OGC

08-03-2006, 07:49 AM

Crippler wrote: Actually, isn't it 5 games? <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=bos" target="_blank">Yup 5 games</a>

TheGameHHH

08-03-2006, 07:51 AM

some lady died yesterday at the Sox game due to the heat. I'd kill myself too if I was forced to watch that faggy team.

A.J.

08-03-2006, 07:55 AM

According to the post above yours, you'll have 5 chances to do it. 

crb1

08-03-2006, 07:58 AM

Crippler wrote: Actually, isn't it 5 games? Yup, It seems as though I either cannot count, read, or both.

Fallon

08-03-2006, 08:00 AM

TheGameHHH wrote: some lady died yesterday at the Sox game due to the heat. I'd kill myself too if I was forced to watch that faggy team.   It was Saturday and she was pregnant. They saved he baby. She really shouldn't have been out in that type of heat.

crb1

08-03-2006, 08:01 AM

Rumor has it that the Sox will pick up Javy Lopez from the Orioles, if he can clear waivers.  He should be a better option than Mirabelli and whoever else they have for the next month.  The only other hurdle would be the Orioles actually making a trade.

Tenbatsuzen

08-03-2006, 09:11 AM

Fallon wrote: TheGameHHH wrote: some lady died yesterday at the Sox game due to the heat. I'd kill myself too if I was forced to watch that faggy team. It was Saturday and she was pregnant. They saved he baby. She really shouldn't have been out in that type of heat.     Between Victoria Snelgrove and this, the Red Sox are leading the Yankees in some things.

joeyballsack

08-03-2006, 03:48 PM

<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">The Red Sox announcers have John Fogerty up in the booth with them tonight. He is touring with Willy Nelso and when asked where his favorite place to play is, he reply was Amsterdam. John says they have a lot of fun together.I wonder what John Fogerty and Willy Nelson eat when they get the munchies.  [/quote]

HBox

08-03-2006, 05:35 PM

We are all just waiting for the inevitable tonight, aren't we?

Tenbatsuzen

08-03-2006, 05:47 PM

HBox wrote: We are all just waiting for the inevitable tonight, aren't we?    TTAN just flied out in a big spot.  BTW, the Red Sox announcers aren't nearly as annoying as I thought they would be, although their lead guy gets overexcited on fly balls, but I guess a stadium like Fenway makes it tougher to call flyballs. I seriously cannot believe how oversold Yankees broadcasts are.  Awful.

Don Stugots

08-03-2006, 05:48 PM

Fallon wrote:  TheGameHHH wrote: some lady died yesterday at the Sox game due to the heat. I'd kill myself too if I was forced to watch that faggy team.   It was Saturday and she was pregnant. They saved he baby. She really shouldn't have been out in that type of heat. murders!!!!i forgot about my HAHA.  but it was in reference to the injuries the team has gone through as of late.  to which no matter what happens HA HA every time one of them gets hurt.  even if it slipping in the shower.

HBox

08-03-2006, 05:48 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: We are all just waiting for the inevitable tonight, aren't we? TTAN just flied out in a big spot. BTW, the Red Sox announcers aren't nearly as annoying as I thought they would be, although their lead guy gets overexcited on fly balls, but I guess a stadium like Fenway makes it tougher to call flyballs. I seriously cannot believe how oversold Yankees broadcasts are. Awful.   Yeah, but when the Red Sox lose, the announcers sound like they just found out that all their children were murdered.

Tenbatsuzen

08-03-2006, 06:00 PM

HBox wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: We are all just waiting for the inevitable tonight, aren't we? TTAN just flied out in a big spot. BTW, the Red Sox announcers aren't nearly as annoying as I thought they would be, although their lead guy gets overexcited on fly balls, but I guess a stadium like Fenway makes it tougher to call flyballs. I seriously cannot believe how oversold Yankees broadcasts are. Awful. Yeah, but when the Red Sox lose, the announcers sound like they just found out that all their children were murdered.   I'd rather hear that children were murdered than Matsui's at-bats being sponsored by Benihana, the legal disclaimer being sponsored by a lawfirm, and the first pitch speed being sponsored by cable internet.

Tenbatsuzen

08-03-2006, 06:06 PM

Ha ha.

BoondockSaint

08-03-2006, 06:08 PM

Any word on what the official water is of the Red Sox booth?

A.J.

08-04-2006, 04:18 AM

It's "dirty".<img height="278" src="http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images2/92457.jpg" width="280" border="0" />

Tenbatsuzen

08-04-2006, 03:13 PM

Snoogans

08-04-2006, 03:27 PM

wow, what sportsman we have on the board. I hate the yankees as much as anyone, I still dont laugh if one of them is injured. Totally aside from sports, thats just fuckin dick. I wasnt laughing when Matsui fucked up his arm.. That shit was horrible.Now im not sayin dont laugh at a dumbass who falls on ice or does something stupid, but if you guys hate the shit people say about yankee fans, start acting like people instead of mindless douches.

Tenbatsuzen

08-04-2006, 03:59 PM

Snoogans wrote: wow, what sportsman we have on the board. I hate the yankees as much as anyone, I still dont laugh if one of them is injured. Totally aside from sports, thats just fuckin dick. I wasnt laughing when Matsui fucked up his arm.. That shit was horrible.Now im not sayin dont laugh at a dumbass who falls on ice or does something stupid, but if you guys hate the shit people say about yankee fans, start acting like people instead of mindless douches.    What are you talking about?  TTAN isn't injured, is he? I didn't celebrate Varitek going down.  Calm down.

Snoogans

08-04-2006, 04:05 PM

it was aimed at stugots mainly, since he was the one who said he laughed at the injuries. You didnt say that, therefore i wasnt talking to you. Sometimes that actually happens, believe it or not

Tenbatsuzen

08-04-2006, 04:07 PM

Snoogans wrote: it was aimed at stugots mainly, since he was the one who said he laughed at the injuries. You didnt say that, therefore i wasnt talking to you. Sometimes that actually happens, believe it or not    You are 100% correct.  I just didn't know who you were talking to, and since I was the last one who posted in the thread, I assumed you meant me. Is it OK to laugh at the stupid pregnant lady, who got dragged to the red sox game by her oafish husband?

Fezticle98

08-04-2006, 04:09 PM

I laughed when the Philly fans cheered Michael Irvin's career-ending injury. If I go to hell for it, I'll apologize to him when I get there.

Snoogans

08-04-2006, 05:12 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Snoogans wrote: it was aimed at stugots mainly, since he was the one who said he laughed at the injuries. You didnt say that, therefore i wasnt talking to you. Sometimes that actually happens, believe it or not You are 100% correct. I just didn't know who you were talking to, and since I was the last one who posted in the thread, I assumed you meant me. Is it OK to laugh at the stupid pregnant lady, who got dragged to the red sox game by her oafish husband?   absolutely

Don Stugots

08-04-2006, 05:24 PM

Snoogans wrote: wow, what sportsman we have on the board. I hate the yankees as much as anyone, I still dont laugh if one of them is injured. Totally aside from sports, thats just fuckin dick. I wasnt laughing when Matsui fucked up his arm.. That shit was horrible.Now im not sayin dont laugh at a dumbass who falls on ice or does something stupid, but if you guys hate the shit people say about yankee fans, start acting like people instead of mindless douches.  i will take the heat for what i said.  but, when someone started a Blue Jays fan thread which is also a yankee hate thread i will take the offensive.  when people brag about someone winning in a fist fight while wearing protective gear, i will think of them as an ass.  do i want any red sox player to be crippled as an email to my personal address had suggested?  no way.  it is still just a game for grown men to play and for its fans to enjoy and live vicarously through.  if i offended you my friend, i am sorry it also was as much as a joke as 99.99999999999% of my few thousand posts.  let us not make our choice of teams to root for splinter us.

Snoogans

08-04-2006, 05:50 PM

ok but there is a big difference between hating a team and wanting them to lose games then laughing at people when they might be seriously injured

Don Stugots

08-04-2006, 05:52 PM

Snoogans wrote: ok but there is a big difference between hating a team and wanting them to lose games then laughing at people when they might be seriously injured agreed, but i didnt know the extent of his injury until i was email asking me if i think it is funny if he never walks again.  emailed, in my home, where my wife sleeps and my puppy comes to play with her toys. how about a tussle?

Snoogans

08-04-2006, 05:53 PM

you have to apologize and admit that david ortiz is the MVP of baseball for the last 3 years

Tenbatsuzen

08-04-2006, 06:52 PM

<a target="_blank" href="http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=40380_4_434lo.jpg"><img border="0" src="http://img145.imagevenue.com/loc434/th_40380_4_434lo.jpg" /></a> "Wow, it's getting kind of hot." "Shut up, I'm watching the game." 

This message was edited by Tenbatsuzen on 8-4-06 @ 10:52 PM

Don Stugots

08-04-2006, 07:13 PM

Snoogans wrote: you have to apologize and admit that david ortiz is the MVP of baseball for the last 3 years i did apologize.  who is david ortiz?  the lone white guy on the mets?

Tenbatsuzen

08-04-2006, 07:17 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: Snoogans wrote: you have to apologize and admit that david ortiz is the MVP of baseball for the last 3 years i did apologize. who is david ortiz? the lone white guy on the mets?   HOW DARE YOU confuse TTAN with the wunderkind David Wright!  YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

HBox

08-04-2006, 07:19 PM

David Wright would shoot you for including him in the same thought with the likes of a "man" like Ortiz.

Don Stugots

08-04-2006, 07:20 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  STUGOTS1 wrote: Snoogans wrote: you have to apologize and admit that david ortiz is the MVP of baseball for the last 3 years i did apologize. who is david ortiz? the lone white guy on the mets?   HOW DARE YOU confuse TTAN with the wunderkind David Wright!  YOU TAKE THAT BACK!  ok ok i take it back, i wouldnt want to insult the met fans.  HA!

Tenbatsuzen

08-04-2006, 07:21 PM

Currently listening to: "Half Man, Half Monkey" - Bruce SpringsteenMood: Unapologetic

Snoogans

08-04-2006, 09:25 PM

you guys do know he isnt black right?

Don Stugots

08-05-2006, 05:59 AM

Snoogans wrote: you guys do know he isnt black right? who david wright?  sure we know that, silly.

Tenbatsuzen

08-05-2006, 06:29 PM

Can anyone explain to me, with the Red Sox playing at the Trop, why XM was using the WEEI feed?  The weirdest thing was that the commercials on the XM feed were the local tampa commercials, but it was definitely the WEEI announcers.

A.J.

08-09-2006, 04:32 AM

Pathetic.  Fucking pathetic.

A.J.

08-10-2006, 03:42 AM

Ibid.

OGC

08-10-2006, 07:25 AM

that one hurt last night

crb1

08-10-2006, 07:45 AM

It looks like Papelbon may be experiencing one of those "dead-arm" phases that Mo gets every year around this time.  They can still hit the same velocity, but their stuff loses that little bite that makes them unhittable.  Even though he's blown 5 of his last 15 save chances, he still has an ERA under 1.00, which is pretty impressive.

joeyballsack

08-10-2006, 10:54 AM

I guess maybe losing Varitek is going to hurt more than I originally thought. Lopez was horrible behind the plate last night, and Teks absence seems to be having a adverse effect on the pitchers also. Would Varitek be responsible for setting the fielding depth of the OF'ers also ? Listening to the XM broadcast last night, even the KC announcers were wondering why Manny and Kapler were playing so shallow in the 9th. Playing deeper they could have kept the ball in front and maybe prevented the triple that tied the game up.

Marc with a c

08-10-2006, 10:56 AM

i know manny isn't as bad as everyone says defensively but why is he in the game in the bottom of the ninth up by a run?

Bulldogcakes

08-10-2006, 04:43 PM

crb1 wrote: It looks like Papelbon may be experiencing one of those "dead-arm" phases that Mo gets every year around this time. They can still hit the same velocity, but their stuff loses that little bite that makes them unhittable. Even though he's blown 5 of his last 15 save chances, he still has an ERA under 1.00, which is pretty impressive. Its also his 2nd and 3rd time around the league. Until a rookie does it for a year+, you really dont know what you have. <blockquote />

Snoogans

08-10-2006, 04:46 PM

that is the dumbest comment everhe is a closer. A team can see you 3 times in a week. He has had a few series where he closed every game of the series. He also started some games last year. Its dead arm. They use him an awful lot, not so much overall but in short spans. They are burning the kid out.But im not buying the rookie thing when he blows away a team like baltimore or Toronto when its like the 5th or 6th time they have seen him in 2 months

Bulldogcakes

08-10-2006, 04:57 PM

I've got two words for you SnoogansBrad Lidge Two moreJohn Rocker Two more Mitch Williams Should I keep going? And BTW-A closer who only pitches one inning at a time can see the same team 3 times and not face the same batters twice. You still the smartest guy in the room?     

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 8-10-06 @ 9:08 PM

Snoogans

08-10-2006, 05:21 PM

yea those were guys who couldnt keep throwing. they get over used. most o f the lack of closer success is because its far worse on the arm to do that and throw that hard almost every day then it is to throw 6-8 innings ever 5 days with a short toss in between

Fallon

08-10-2006, 08:04 PM

A.J.

08-11-2006, 04:03 AM

joeyballsack wrote: I guess maybe losing Varitek is going to hurt more than I originally thought. Lopez was horrible behind the plate last night, and Teks absence seems to be having a adverse effect on the pitchers also. Would Varitek be responsible for setting the fielding depth of the OF'ers also ? Listening to the XM broadcast last night, even the KC announcers were wondering why Manny and Kapler were playing so shallow in the 9th. Playing deeper they could have kept the ball in front and maybe prevented the triple that tied the game up.  Exactly what I thought when Tek went down.  While he may not be swinging a great bat, he's indispensible behind the plate for calling the game and in the clubhouse for motivating the team.  Papi may be the AL MVP but Tek is the Sox' MVP.Oh and Wells (8+ ERA) tonight and Jason Johnson (3-11) tomorrow.  Make it 7 in a row.

This message was edited by A.J. on 8-11-06 @ 8:09 AM

OGC

08-11-2006, 06:21 AM

A.J. wrote: ......Oh and Wells (8+ ERA) tonight and Jason Johnson (3-11) tomorrow.  Make it 7 in a row.Yeah, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence. But I am not ready to abandon the band wagon yet.

spoon

08-11-2006, 02:55 PM

Snoogans wrote: that is the dumbest comment everhe is a closer. A team can see you 3 times in a week. He has had a few series where he closed every game of the series. He also started some games last year. Its dead arm. They use him an awful lot, not so much overall but in short spans. They are burning the kid out.But im not buying the rookie thing when he blows away a team like baltimore or Toronto when its like the 5th or 6th time they have seen him in 2 months That's why Gagne's streak of saves was incredible.  However, all closers, including the best in the league, will go through some rough times here and there.  It's up to a manager to realize his guy needs a break so as to keep his confidence and stamina up.  This has been one of Torre's worst problems since he always relies on Mo too much.  Yet Mo is so damn good he still usually does amazing in the playoffs.  This is Paps first true test, but don't get too worked up about it as his shit is too nasty to stay in a rut.  Ryan and Jenks, two other top closers this year have also gone through some rough outings.  It's bound to happen when even a run can mean a blown save.  And hell, it's really not possible to shut it down every fucking time.  Boston's real trouble comes in based on the Yanks plugging their holes at the deadline while they actually had more form.  Their rotation is much weaker at the back end and Tek is a huge fucking loss.  Let's just hope the Yanks impload defensively since the putting all the bats in the lineup means they field a real weak defensive team.  Abreu in right (weak), Giambi or Sheff at first (not good), Arod at third (hideous this year), ? at left (if Melky then its average, but Williams and Matsui fucking blow).  One can hope, but the bats will be fucking strong for them while they already had one of the better pitching staffs top to bottom in the AL East before they picked up Lidle.

joeyballsack

08-11-2006, 03:04 PM

On the bright side..Mirabelli may help out behind the plate a little bit. Mirabelli knows the staff better than Lopez, and he can help out with the young arms that the Sox are having to use. I guess thats about as bright I can get after seeing them get swept by the worst team in the league anyways.

Bulldogcakes

08-11-2006, 03:34 PM

Oh and Wells (8+ ERA) tonight and Jason Johnson (3-11) tomorrow.  Make it 7 in a row. Which gets to something I've been wondering for the past few weeksWho are you going to pitch for the Yankee series 5 games in 4 days?Yanks will add Ponson after Lidle as a 6th starter.

spoon

08-11-2006, 03:48 PM

I just looked at the Jays, Sox and Yanks schedule in August and I have to say the Sox easily have the roughest look.  In fact, I'll go as far as saying the Jays will narrow the gap bt the two in the month while the Yanks probably run away with the title.  Nothing hurts me more than saying that, but it really doesn't look good for the AL East challengers.  I just hope the Jays can get Chaucin back in time to make up some good ground in both races and at least make it interesting.  However, take a look at their September sched and you'll realize they'll need Dave Steib and Pat Hentgen in their prime for a solid September run.  Holy fuck is that a rough string of games.  At least the rotation should be back in order for the first time all year if everything holds up. 

cougarjake13

08-11-2006, 05:14 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: I've got two words for you SnoogansBrad Lidge Two moreJohn Rocker Two more Mitch Williams Should I keep going? And BTW-A closer who only pitches one inning at a time can see the same team 3 times and not face the same batters twice. You still the smartest guy in the room? another one ... mark wohlersand i tried to say the same thing to snoogs two months ago in this thread about papelbon but he didnt buy it back then either

spoon

08-11-2006, 07:51 PM

David Wells as the glue??  Huge win for the Sox.  Leave it to the O's to end everyone's losing streaks or bad runs.  Hell they definitely helped get the Jays back on track.  Thanks Mikeyboy!

A.J.

08-14-2006, 04:58 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:   Oh and Wells (8+ ERA) tonight and Jason Johnson (3-11) tomorrow.  Make it 7 in a row.    Which gets to something I've been wondering for the past few weeksWho are you going to pitch for the Yankee series 5 games in 4 days?Yanks will add Ponson after Lidle as a 6th starter.  I'd rather start Kyle Snyder than Jason Johnson.  I forget if Wake will be available by then.

A.J.

08-17-2006, 05:30 AM

Hey!  The bullpen held a lead!  I forgot they could do that!

Fallon

08-17-2006, 10:24 PM

Sox are getting Hinske from the Jays and Carlos Pena."Peña was leading the Columbus Clippers, the Yankees' Triple A
affiliate, in home runs (19) and RBIs (66) while batting .260. But
yesterday, Pena exercised a clause in his contract that allowed him to
ask for his release to pursue a major league deal."Ha.

spoon

08-17-2006, 11:27 PM

See, the Jays are always willing to help allies in yank hate once off the pace.  He's a much better hitter against lefties and isn't terrible at third.  Yet I assume he's going to be a fixture in right for you now as he's played pretty well out there.  He's real good tracking down balls to his right or coming in on short liners, but has decent trouble dropping back and playing the walls.  Hope he wins a few vs. the spanks this week.  I got to meet him down in Atlanta this year when I was on a business trip and he was a pretty level headed funny guy.  He was just hoping for more playing time w/o being Hillenbrandish about it. 

HBox

08-21-2006, 12:04 AM

Matt Clement with the Red Sox:44 GS, 256.1 IP, 269 H, 152 R, 145 ER, 26 HR, 106 BB, 189 K, 18-11, 5.09 ERA, 1.46 WHIP, 6.64 K/9, 1.78 K/BBJosh Beckett with the Red Sox:26 GS, 158 IP, 151 H, 100 R, 94 ER, 32 HR, 59 BB, 128 K, 13-7, 5.33 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, 7.28 K/9, 2.17 K/BBHow come Matt Clement gets a world of shit but Josh Beckett is getting off relatively easy?

A.J.

08-21-2006, 06:07 AM

Maybe because it's only his first year.  Clement has sucked for two.

crb1

08-21-2006, 06:17 AM

HBox wrote: Matt Clement with the Red Sox: 44 GS, 256.1 IP, 269 H, 152 R, 145 ER, 26 HR, 106 BB, 189 K, 18-11, 5.09 ERA, 1.46 WHIP, 6.64 K/9, 1.78 K/BBJosh Beckett with the Red Sox:26 GS, 158 IP, 151 H, 100 R, 94 ER, 32 HR, 59 BB, 128 K, 13-7, 5.33 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, 7.28 K/9, 2.17 K/BBHow come Matt Clement gets a world of shit but Josh Beckett is getting off relatively easy? I read in a chat on espn.com with either Rob Neyer or Buster Olney that a common theory regarding Beckett is that he's been pitching in a way to avoid getting the blisters that put him on the DL repeatedly during his time with Florida.  I have no idea if there's anything more to that than just random guesswork though.  I think Sox fans are holding out hope for him to reach his potential, whereas they never saw Clement as more than a middle of the rotation type-starter.  Clement had really good stuff when he was with the Cubs, but he always seemed to struggle with his control.  I seem to remember him having a really solid year with a good number of K's around 2002 though, but I'm too lazy to pull stats for him.

Tenbatsuzen

08-21-2006, 12:14 PM

spoon

08-21-2006, 01:58 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: <img height="660" src="http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9680/massacre2kd1.jpg" width="578" border="0" /> It wasn't funny the first time you ripped off the idea and posted it.

Don Stugots

08-21-2006, 04:08 PM

spoon wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: <img height="660" src="http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9680/massacre2kd1.jpg" width="578" border="0" /> It wasn't funny the first time you ripped off the idea and posted it.i disagree my good sir.  what is even funnier is that he posted it again but in this thread this time.  bravo my good sir, bravo.

narc

08-21-2006, 04:14 PM

The real Boston Massacre was shorter and less painful than this debacle was for the Sox. And at least in the real Boston Massacre, an entire franchise's hopes and dreams weren't killed, like this one.

Tall_James

08-21-2006, 04:19 PM

Ugh.  This is appalling.  Lets go Patriots!

cougarjake13

08-21-2006, 04:54 PM

narc wrote: The real Boston Massacre was shorter and less painful than this debacle was for the Sox. And at least in the real Boston Massacre, an entire franchise's hopes and dreams weren't killed, like this one. well you could consider england as a franchise, like the hated big money yanksand us pesky americans were the small market teams making noise without all the resources that england hadthey (england and those in control) prob had hopes and dreams of what they wanted this country to be

Don Stugots

08-21-2006, 05:01 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: well you could consider england as a franchise, like the hated big money yanksand us pesky americans were the small market teams making noise without all the resources that england hadthey (england and those in control) prob had hopes and dreams of what they wanted this country to belike the mets?  they are a real small market team with little resources.

cougarjake13

08-21-2006, 05:07 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: well you could consider england as a franchise, like the hated big money yanksand us pesky americans were the small market teams making noise without all the resources that england hadthey (england and those in control) prob had hopes and dreams of what they wanted this country to belike the mets?  they are a real small market team with little resources.are you making fun of the fact that the mets have many latinos who by nature are small and poor ???

Don Stugots

08-21-2006, 05:10 PM

exaclty.  i am glad to see that you can read between the lines. 

Fallon

08-21-2006, 07:34 PM

Sox are 6-13 since tek went down. God damn.

TheMojoPin

08-21-2006, 07:48 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: narc wrote: The real Boston Massacre was shorter and less painful than this debacle was for the Sox. And at least in the real Boston Massacre, an entire franchise's hopes and dreams weren't killed, like this one. well you could consider england as a franchise, like the hated big money yanks  I really don't understand how this whole "scrappy rebels" (Red Sox) vs. the "evil corporate empire" (Yankees) schtick started.  The Red Sox are just as rich and bloated...they're just uglier and have awful haircuts.

TheMojoPin

08-21-2006, 07:51 PM

Fallon wrote: Sox are 6-13 since tek went down. God damn. It sucks when the cornerstone player goes down.  It feels like it's all I've known at this point.  Stay strong...

HBox

08-22-2006, 01:27 AM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556812" target="_blank">David Wells clears waivers.</a><img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/huh.gif" /> <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556812" target="_blank"></a>

Don Stugots

08-22-2006, 01:51 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: narc wrote: The real Boston Massacre was shorter and less painful than this debacle was for the Sox. And at least in the real Boston Massacre, an entire franchise's hopes and dreams weren't killed, like this one. well you could consider england as a franchise, like the hated big money yanks  I really don't understand how this whole "scrappy rebels" (Red Sox) vs. the "evil corporate empire" (Yankees) schtick started.  The Red Sox are just as rich and bloated...they're just uglier and have awful haircuts.thanks for making this point.  it needed to be said.

Don Stugots

08-22-2006, 01:53 AM

HBox wrote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556812" target="_blank">David Wells clears waivers.</a><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/huh.gif" border="0" /> <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556812" target="_blank"></a>this so sad.  wells was/is a great pitcher.  his legacy will be marred in shit for his inability to stay with a team for long.

OGC

08-22-2006, 03:10 AM

nevermind

This message was edited by richg0404 on 8-22-06 @ 7:11 AM

A.J.

08-22-2006, 04:28 AM

narc wrote: The real Boston Massacre was shorter and less painful than this debacle was for the Sox. And at least in the real Boston Massacre, an entire franchise's hopes and dreams weren't killed, like this one. Their season was over when they fell out of first in the AL East and when Tek went down.  They would have been out in the first round again anyway.

OGC

08-22-2006, 05:27 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: I really don't understand how this whole "scrappy rebels" (Red Sox) vs. the "evil corporate empire" (Yankees) schtick started.  The Red Sox are just as rich and bloated...they're just uglier and have awful haircuts.I am a Red Sox fan but I have to disagree a little bit with that.First I understand that the Red Sox are rich and bloated. The have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball. The point I want to make is that there is a BIG difference between the payrolls of the Yankees and the Red Sox. $74 million can buy a whole lot of superstars and/or bench sitters.Take a look at the Bobby Abreu trade. The Yankees got him for next to nothing, any team in major league baseball would have loved to have him and probably could have given the Phillies more in a trade for him, but no one else could afford the salary the Phillies were trying to unload, but the Yankees did it without even blinking.I can understand the frustration of the other 28 teams when they look at the Yanks and the Sox.Note that this list is as of April 7, 2006. The Yankees payroll has gone up since then<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="742" border="0"><tr><td width="100%">2006 MLB Team Payrolls</td></tr><tr><td width="100%">Based Upon 2006 Season as of April 7, 2006</td></tr></table><table width="744" border="0"><tr><td valign="top" width="736"><table height="44" width="729" border="0"><tr><td width="49" height="18">Rank</td><td width="327" height="18">Team</td><td width="339" height="18">Total Payroll </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">1</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">New York Yankees</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$194,663,079</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">2</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Boston Red Sox</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$120,099,824</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">3</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Los Angeles Angels</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$103,472,000</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">4</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Chicago White Sox</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$102,750,667</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">5</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">New York Mets</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$101,084,963</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">6</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Los Angeles Dodgers</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$98,447,187</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">7</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Chicago Cubs</td><td valign

OGC

08-22-2006, 05:27 AM

double post AGAIN

This message was edited by richg0404 on 8-22-06 @ 9:28 AM

crb1

08-22-2006, 06:02 AM

The payroll post above interested me mainly because of the disparity in payroll between teams 29 & 30.  Here are the revenue sharing stats for teams that received money. Tampa Bay Devil Rays    $33,000,000          $35,417,967        -$2,417,967 Toronto Blue Jays       $31,000,000          $71,915,000        -$40,915,000 Florida Marlins         $31,000,000          $14,998,500        +$16,001,500 Kansas City Royals      $30,000,000          $47,294,000        -$17,294,000 Detroit Tigers          $25,000,000          $82,612,866        -$57,612,866 Pittsburgh Pirates      $25,000,000          $46,717,750        -$21,717,750 Milwaukee Brewers       $24,000,000          $57,568,333        -$33,568,333 Minnesota Twins         $22,000,000          $63,396,006        -$41,396,006 Oakland Athletics       $19,000,000          $62,243,079        -$43,243,079 Cincinnati Reds         $16,000,000          $60,909,519        -$44,909,519 Colorado Rockies        $16,000,000          $41,233,000        -$25,909,519 Arizona Diamondbacks    $13,000,000          $59,684,226        -$46,684,226 Cleveland Indians       $6,000,000           $56,031,500        -$50,031,500 Philadelphia Phillies   $5,800,000           $88,273,333        -$82,473,333 San Diego Padres        $5,700,000           $69,896,141        -$64,196,141 Washington Nationals    $3,900,000           $63,143,000        -$59,243,000 Baltimore Orioles       $2,000,000           $72,585,582        -$70,585,582Look at the god damn marlins!  They pocketed $16 million in revenue sharing money.  Where did it go???  I'm all for finding a way to make the league more competitve, but fuck them.  Teams that receive money have to be held accountable for where it goes.  If it's put into player development (scouting, etc.), that's fine but PROVE IT!   I cannot understand how people bemoan the Yankees payroll, but let this crap slide.  And it irritates me even more that I had to hear months of "trade Dontrelle" and "trade Cabrera" talk when they should have enough money

spoon

08-22-2006, 02:22 PM

[quote]richg0404 wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: I really don't understand how this whole "scrappy rebels" (Red Sox) vs. the "evil corporate empire" (Yankees) schtick started.  The Red Sox are just as rich and bloated...they're just uglier and have awful haircuts.I am a Red Sox fan but I have to disagree a little bit with that.First I understand that the Red Sox are rich and bloated. The have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball. The point I want to make is that there is a BIG difference between the payrolls of the Yankees and the Red Sox. $74 million can buy a whole lot of superstars and/or bench sitters.Take a look at the Bobby Abreu trade. The Yankees got him for next to nothing, any team in major league baseball would have loved to have him and probably could have given the Phillies more in a trade for him, but no one else could afford the salary the Phillies were trying to unload, but the Yankees did it without even blinking.I can understand the frustration of the other 28 teams when they look at the Yanks and the Sox.Note that this list is as of April 7, 2006. The Yankees payroll has gone up since then<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="742" border="0"><tr><td width="100%">2006 MLB Team Payrolls</td></tr><tr><td width="100%">Based Upon 2006 Season as of April 7, 2006</td></tr></table><table width="744" border="0"><tr><td valign="top" width="736"><table height="44" width="729" border="0"><tr><td width="49" height="18">Rank</td><td width="327" height="18">Team</td><td width="339" height="18">Total Payroll </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">1</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">New York Yankees</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$194,663,079</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">2</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Boston Red Sox</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$120,099,824</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">3</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Los Angeles Angels</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$103,472,000</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">4</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Chicago White Sox</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$102,750,667</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">5</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">New York Mets</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$101,084,963</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">6</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Los Angeles Dodgers</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$98,447,187</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">7</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1"><font fa

spoon

08-22-2006, 02:37 PM

[quote]crb1 wrote: The payroll post above interested me mainly because of the disparity in payroll between teams 29 & 30.  Here are the revenue sharing stats for teams that received money. Tampa Bay Devil Rays    $33,000,000          $35,417,967        -$2,417,967 Toronto Blue Jays       $31,000,000          $71,915,000        -$40,915,000 Florida Marlins         $31,000,000          $14,998,500        +$16,001,500 Kansas City Royals      $30,000,000          $47,294,000        -$17,294,000 Detroit Tigers          $25,000,000          $82,612,866        -$57,612,866 Pittsburgh Pirates      $25,000,000          $46,717,750        -$21,717,750 Milwaukee Brewers       $24,000,000          $57,568,333        -$33,568,333 Minnesota Twins         $22,000,000          $63,396,006        -$41,396,006 Oakland Athletics       $19,000,000          $62,243,079        -$43,243,079 Cincinnati Reds         $16,000,000          $60,909,519        -$44,909,519 Colorado Rockies        $16,000,000          $41,233,000        -$25,909,519 Arizona Diamondbacks    $13,000,000          $59,684,226        -$46,684,226 Cleveland Indians       $6,000,000           $56,031,500        -$50,031,500 Philadelphia Phillies   $5,800,000           $88,273,333        -$82,473,333 San Diego Padres        $5,700,000           $69,896,141        -$64,196,141 Washington Nationals    $3,900,000           $63,143,000        -$59,243,000 Baltimore Orioles       $2,000,000           $72,585,582        -$70,585,582Look at the god damn marlins!  They pocketed $16 million in revenue sharing money.  Where did it go???  I'm all for finding a way to make the league more competitve, but fuck them.  Teams that receive money have to be held accountable for where it goes.  If it's put into player development (scouting, etc.), that's fine but PROVE IT!   I cannot understand how people bemoan the Yankees payroll, but let this crap slide.  And it irritates me even more that I had to hear months of "trade Dontrelle" and "trade Ca

OGC

08-22-2006, 03:34 PM

spoon wrote: Two things should be added to this post:  1)  The yanks have a ton of money tied up on the DL, being paid to players no longer on their team or in the league, and in the minors.  Think Pavano and other big name international prospects.  This money isn't even counted toward their payroll.  These numbers only include the salaries of the roster exactly as it was on the listed date. 2)  The yanks have plenty of gay haircuts and staches.  At least the Sox aren't told how to act and what to wear.  Although the Jays could use a little of this I guess.  I don't know much about this subject but I find it hard to believe that the payrolls listed don't include the players on the DL. It is my understanding that the payrolls listed include everyone on the 40 man roster. Even if someone is disabled, they are usually still on the 40 man roster. Matsui, Sheffield are certainly on it. I know Clement is still on it, along with Varitek.If a GM could avoid the "Luxury Tax" on salaries just by putting a player on the DL, there would be a flood of injuries at the end of the season.Does anyone know for sure ?As far as the haircuts and staches go, as far as I'm concerned, that is all part of the deal that players agree to when they sign with the yankees. A little more money can convince most players to do most anything.And no one's hair looks sillier than Manny's (unless Bronson Arroyo has his corn rows back)I think the NFL has the best approach to payrolls with a hard cap that can not be exceeded and a minimum that all teams must spend on players. Of course the NFL has 2 things that MLB doesn't have, True revenue sharing and non-guaranteed contracts.

spoon

08-22-2006, 03:37 PM

richg0404 wrote: spoon wrote: Two things should be added to this post:  1)  The yanks have a ton of money tied up on the DL, being paid to players no longer on their team or in the league, and in the minors.  Think Pavano and other big name international prospects.  This money isn't even counted toward their payroll.  These numbers only include the salaries of the roster exactly as it was on the listed date. 2)  The yanks have plenty of gay haircuts and staches.  At least the Sox aren't told how to act and what to wear.  Although the Jays could use a little of this I guess.  I don't know much about this subject but I find it hard to believe that the payrolls listed don't include the players on the DL. It is my understanding that the payrolls listed include everyone on the 40 man roster. Even if someone is disabled, they are usually still on the 40 man roster. Matsui, Sheffield are certainly on it. I know Clement is still on it, along with Varitek.If a GM could avoid the "Luxury Tax" on salaries just by putting a player on the DL, there would be a flood of injuries at the end of the season.Does anyone know for sure ?As far as the haircuts and staches go, as far as I'm concerned, that is all part of the deal that players agree to when they sign with the yankees. A little more money can convince most players to do most anything.And no one's hair looks sillier than Manny's (unless Bronson Arroyo has his corn rows back)I think the NFL has the best approach to payrolls with a hard cap that can not be exceeded and a minimum that all teams must spend on players. Of course the NFL has 2 things that MLB doesn't have, True revenue sharing and non-guaranteed contracts.Sorry to put DL, I meant players like pavano who I believe are on something more than the DL.  Mat and shef are included you're right.

crb1

08-22-2006, 04:32 PM

spoon wrote: Sorry to put DL, I meant players like pavano who I believe are on something more than the DL.  Mat and shef are included you're right.  Is Pavano's salary not included because it's being paid by the insurer and not the team, or is there another reason?

This message was edited by crb1 on 8-22-06 @ 8:48 PM

crb1

08-22-2006, 04:47 PM

What the hell?  I had a big long post, and there was nothing there after I posted it.  Crap.  I'm too lazy to rewrite the whole thing now.

This message was edited by crb1 on 8-22-06 @ 8:50 PM

cougarjake13

08-22-2006, 04:53 PM

crb1 wrote: What the hell?  I had a big long post, and there was nothing there after I posted it.  Crap.  I'm too lazy to rewrite the whole thing now.This message was edited by crb1 on 8-22-06 @ 8:50 PM yeh i hate when that shit happens, if i write a long post i usually copy it first just in case that happens so i dont have to re write that all over again

A.J.

08-24-2006, 04:14 AM

A.J. wrote: Hey!  The bullpen held a lead!  I forgot they could do that! After 6 straight losses...

OGC

08-24-2006, 04:30 AM

I would still bet that even Pavano's salary still counts towards the payroll for the Yankeees. I think that once a contract is signed by both the player and the team, there is no way (other than a trade or the player retiring) to get that salary off of a team's payroll.For example, if Manny tore up his knee tomorrow and never played another game for the Red Sox, he would still be on their payroll (for about $22 million per year) until his contract runs out (I think thru the 2008 season). I know that even though Edgar Renteria has played for the Braves this year, Since the Red Sox agreed to pay $4million of his salary before they traded him, that part still counts toward the Red Sox payroll.

crb1

08-24-2006, 06:51 AM

FUCK!!!  A third post that disappeared into oblivion.  I have tried to respond to Spoon's post three times, and had each one wiped out.  I should have learned after the last one to write it in Word first. 

This message was edited by crb1 on 8-24-06 @ 10:54 AM

cougarjake13

08-24-2006, 02:12 PM

richg0404 wrote: I would still bet that even Pavano's salary still counts towards the payroll for the Yankeees. I think that once a contract is signed by both the player and the team, there is no way (other than a trade or the player retiring) to get that salary off of a team's payroll.For example, if Manny tore up his knee tomorrow and never played another game for the Red Sox, he would still be on their payroll (for about $22 million per year) until his contract runs out (I think thru the 2008 season). I know that even though Edgar Renteria has played for the Braves this year, Since the Red Sox agreed to pay $4million of his salary before they traded him, that part still counts toward the Red Sox payroll.but if manny did never play again due to injury dont they get an injury exemption ???what about if the team has med insurance like the mets had with mo vaughn, did his salary still count ???

OGC

08-24-2006, 02:31 PM

Yeah, I think that even though they had insurance the Mets would have still had to take the hit on the payroll. The insurance would have payed Mo Vaughn, but as far as MLB is concerned, Mo's salary still counts toward the payroll. As far as I can see, the only thing the payroll numbers come into effect is in calculating the luxury tax. If a team's payroll is above $125 million (or something in this area) they are taxed at a certain rate.For example if the Red Sox had made the trade for Abreu, he would have put them over the payroll limit and made them have to pay the luxury tax.I'll do more research.

OGC

08-24-2006, 02:51 PM

<a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/news/2002/08/30/luxury_tax_ap/" target="_blank">Here is some info about the luxury tax.</a>So as I read this if a team's payoll is above the numbers (in the first chart) for the given year, they are subject to the luxury tax.According to the second chart , the more often a team exceeds the limit, the higher their tax is.

This message was edited by richg0404 on 8-24-06 @ 7:12 PM

Bulldogcakes

08-29-2006, 02:21 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2564608" target="_self" title="Big Papi out again for further tests">Big Papi out again for further tests</a>BOSTON -- <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=bos">Boston Red Sox</a> slugger <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5909">David Ortiz</a>, the AL leader
in home runs and RBI, will have more tests for heart palpitations
before he returns to the lineup.


The tests will take a few days, said Red Sox medical director
Thomas Gill on Tuesday.
"David had not experienced any additional episodes of
palpitations until Monday evening," Gill said. "With the
recurrence of these symptoms, we would like David to be fully
examined and tested before he is allowed to return to the field."I must admit I really feel bad for the guy. He says he gets very stressed out when the team's not doing well. He probably feels a big responsibility to carry the team for his teammates and the town. He took less $ to sign there, so he obviously loves the place. This stuff is generally related to stress, I had it myself and its no fun. Hope he gets better soon and gets the MVP he deserves this year.  <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2564608" target="_self" title="Big Papi out again for further tests"></a>

Don Stugots

08-29-2006, 02:27 PM

get well soon big papi.  the guy takes less cake to play in a town that he loves.  he gives 110%.  plays great in the clutch.  wants to be the best, how can you knock him.  he should get the MVP due to giving himself a heart condition from trying to carry the team.that was from the heart.

lleeder

08-29-2006, 02:34 PM

I hate the Red Sox , but if the Yankees win the division this way its not the same. I hope Papi comes back strong and theres a fight to the end of the year. The drama is what makes it sweet. I love to hate that guy and I can't if hes injured.

joeyballsack

08-29-2006, 04:04 PM

Red Sox fan here..but the only drama left is if the Red Sox can hold off Toronto for second place at this point.

Fallon

08-29-2006, 08:15 PM

They are so hard to watch.

A.J.

08-30-2006, 03:31 AM

Things are so bad even Francona was coughing up blood in an interview the other day.Beckett's finally pitching well and there's no offense to back him up.  This will happen again with Schill tonight.

OGC

08-30-2006, 04:33 AM

Fallon wrote: They are so hard to watch. With them playing the late games on the west coast, I find it easier bailing out on the games early and getting some quality sleep (unless Jack Bauer get to me)Football season starts next week. Go Pats

OGC

08-30-2006, 07:24 PM

Holy fuck, can things get any worse for the Red Sox ?<a href="http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=155250" target="_blank">This is really scary</a>

HBox

08-30-2006, 07:33 PM

richg0404 wrote: Holy fuck, can things get any worse for the Red Sox ?<a target="_blank" href="http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=155250">This is really scary</a>  Yeah, that's really fucking classy of the paper to run a story like that.

OGC

08-31-2006, 02:53 AM

HBox wrote: richg0404 wrote: Holy fuck, can things get any worse for the Red Sox ?<a href="http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=155250" target="_blank">This is really scary</a>Yeah, that's really fucking classy of the paper to run a story like that. I thought the same thing. Everyone is welcome to speculate about things, but to actually publish your speculation on somthing like this is crossing the line.

A.J.

08-31-2006, 04:15 AM

Christ, this season is a wash anyway.  The kid is only 22.  Let it be nothing serious and give him all the time he needs to get well.

joeyballsack

08-31-2006, 10:04 AM

<img src="http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/08/02/1154534190_0373.jpg" border="0" />Time to start a new curse I guess. <a href="http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/31/introducing-the-curse-of-the-gimpy-crow/">http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/31/introducing-the-curse-of-the-gimpy-crow/</a>

sailor

08-31-2006, 10:38 AM

lleeder wrote: I hate the Red Sox , but if the Yankees win the division this way its not the same. I hope Papi comes back strong and theres a fight to the end of the year. The drama is what makes it sweet. I love to hate that guy and I can't if hes injured.  1. do steroids affect the heart?  just asking!2. the sox folded before ortiz went down.3. as for the cancer, they have an obligation to put out that that is a possibility.  it would be wrong of them NOT to mention it.  it's not like some tabloid proclaiming in bold script LESTER HAS CANCER!!

A.J.

08-31-2006, 10:48 AM

bronxmarc wrote:  1. do steroids affect the heart?  just asking! Let's ask Giambi -- either one.

OGC

08-31-2006, 11:38 AM

bronxmarc wrote: 3. as for the cancer, they have an obligation to put out that that is a possibility.  it would be wrong of them NOT to mention it.  it's not like some tabloid proclaiming in bold script LESTER HAS CANCER!! Why do they have an obligation to report speculation ? I suppose I could understand if they were speculating about an injury that is related to the game but not cancer. What is the big problem with waiting a day or two until they have a little more information on the whole thing ?