2006 OFFICIAL MLB OFFSEASON DISCUSSION THREAD! [Archive] - Page 3

TheMojoPin

07-30-2006, 07:47 AM

El Mudo wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Mudo, Taveras is awful. How do I know this? Because the Cubs are interested...save yourself while you can! He's Corey Patterson without the power or steals!  All I know is, he KILLED the Nats last year on several occasions...just KILLED them And Corey Patterson really isn't having that bad of a season in B'Mo...maybe Taveras can turn it around in DC...the guy is only 24 years old I'm glad Patterson turned it around somewhat, but really, he's having a pretty average season for what a player with his projected ability should be able to do.  And Corey has at least some pop with the bat from time to time...Taveras only has his speed, and it does not get him on base nearly enough to be a starting leadoff man.

cougarjake13

07-30-2006, 02:08 PM

cards get belliard from indians for hector luna<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5830214">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5830214</a> <img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

cougarjake13

07-30-2006, 02:23 PM

green_bay_jake wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: brewers trade of carlos lee and minor league of nelson cruz to the rangers for rp francisco cordero, of kevin mench, of lance nix, and minor league p julian cordero<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5824354">carlos_lee_trade</a> this trade is the kiss of death for any hopes that the crew had of making the playoffs.  i thought that with the new owner the brewers were done making trades that traded their best players for handfuls of mediocre.  well, at least they were able to get tony graffanino.  that's right, THE tony graffanino.  it's probably the kiss of death in terms of making the playoffs but since they werent going to be able to re sign him, its better to get something for him then to let him walk for nothing, it may not be much but it's still somethingso you got that going for you ... which is nice

kellermcgee21

07-30-2006, 04:14 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: cards get belliard from indians for hector luna<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5830214">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5830214</a>i think this is a great trade for the cards who have gotten very little production from 2b so far this season.  Luna is a good player and hard worker but he's not an everyday player for a team going to the playoffs.  Belliard also was a all-star in 04 meaning the cards now have an all-star at every infield position.  oh and we can't win 1 game in chicago

Fallon

07-30-2006, 04:44 PM

Schilling isn't looking too sharp so far. Figgins just fucked up big time.

TheMojoPin

07-30-2006, 06:59 PM

So after Sunday's win (where the Cubs inexplicably sweep the Cardinals in a 4-game series, freakishly holding a 10-3 record against the Cards this year), Carlos Zambrano now leads the NL in pitching wins with his 12-3 record...<a href="http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407296" target="_blank">in short, the man is dominating in spite of his craptacular team.</a>Cy Young, here comes Big Z!

green_bay_jake

07-30-2006, 10:02 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: green_bay_jake wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: brewers trade of carlos lee and minor league of nelson cruz to the rangers for rp francisco cordero, of kevin mench, of lance nix, and minor league p julian cordero<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5824354">carlos_lee_trade</a> this trade is the kiss of death for any hopes that the crew had of making the playoffs.  i thought that with the new owner the brewers were done making trades that traded their best players for handfuls of mediocre.  well, at least they were able to get tony graffanino.  that's right, THE tony graffanino.  it's probably the kiss of death in terms of making the playoffs but since they werent going to be able to re sign him, its better to get something for him then to let him walk for nothing, it may not be much but it's still somethingso you got that going for you ... which is nicethe thing is that he wanted to stay in milwaukee.  he said so in every interview.  now i realize that he kind of has to say that, but i really did believe that he wanted to stay.  he wanted five years at 60 million and the brewers offered him 4 years at 48.  plus, the guys they got really don't fix any problems.  the only one is perhaps cordero who has looked really solid out of that shakey bullpen.  if they were going to trade him i would rather have seen him go for starting pitching.

Fallon

07-30-2006, 10:57 PM

<img width="120" height="141" border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/member_avatars/crew2.JPG" />It has taken me 25 years to notice their is a M and a B in that logo. I suck.

green_bay_jake

07-31-2006, 11:30 AM

Fallon wrote: <img height="141" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/member_avatars/crew2.JPG" width="120" border="0" />It has taken me 25 years to notice their is a M and a B in that logo. I suck. it really was one of the coolest logos in baseball.  it's still more popular today than the "miller m" that is the logo now.

Bulldogcakes

07-31-2006, 12:18 PM

Maddux to the dodgers for Cesar Izturis   

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 7-31-06 @ 4:24 PM

El Mudo

07-31-2006, 02:26 PM

No Nats firesale....which is good

Soriano apparently REALLY wants to stay here, and if they can re sign him, so much the better

If they can't, everyone will rake Jim Bowden over the coals

Bulldogcakes

07-31-2006, 02:32 PM

Mudo, NOT trading Soriano makes no sense whatsoever for you guys. Even if you plan to re-sign him. You could have got something for him now and just signed him in the off season, like anyone else. LIke the Orioles did with Mike Bordick a few years ago. Rememeber who they got from the Mets? Melvin Mora. And they re-signed Bordick in the off season.      

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 7-31-06 @ 6:35 PM

TheMojoPin

07-31-2006, 02:57 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Maddux to the dodgers for Cesar Izturis   This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 7-31-06 @ 4:24 PM Hideous.Not that I expected much for Maddux at this point, but this is actually worse than doing nothing.

cougarjake13

07-31-2006, 03:24 PM

green_bay_jake wrote: Fallon wrote: <img height="141" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/member_avatars/crew2.JPG" width="120" border="0" />It has taken me 25 years to notice their is a M and a B in that logo. I suck. it really was one of the coolest logos in baseball.  it's still more popular today than the "miller m" that is the logo now.and if you think about itm milwaukee     m  millerb  brewers           b beerfunny coincidence or done on purpose ?

El Mudo

07-31-2006, 03:44 PM

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Mudo, NOT trading Soriano makes no sense whatsoever for you guys. Even if you plan to re-sign him.

You could have got something for him now and just signed him in the off season, like anyone else. LIke the Orioles did with Mike Bordick a few years ago. Rememeber who they got from the Mets? Melvin Mora. And they re-signed Bordick in the off season.
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As far as my sources go, Soriano was adamant that if the Nats traded him, he would not entertain an offer from them in the offseason...they probably would have re signed him now anyway, except Stan Kasten has a boner about not giving No Trade clauses...I think Fonso is at a point where he wants to stay in one place and not move for a while

Anyway, the guy's a hell of a hitter...he's still fairly young, and i like the OF of Soriano, Escobar and Kearns

Now if we can add some pitching, this ship might be going somewhere

This message was edited by El Mudo on 7-31-06 @ 7:47 PM

green_bay_jake

07-31-2006, 03:54 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: green_bay_jake wrote: Fallon wrote: <img height="141" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/member_avatars/crew2.JPG" width="120" border="0" />It has taken me 25 years to notice their is a M and a B in that logo. I suck. it really was one of the coolest logos in baseball.  it's still more popular today than the "miller m" that is the logo now.and if you think about itm milwaukee     m  millerb  brewers           b beerfunny coincidence or done on purpose ?http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c317/beehutch/pMLB2-1670697reg.jpg  this is the logo now.  it's not bad.  it has the "miller m" and some grain.  the old ball and glove logo was suposed to represent Milwaukee Brewers, the new uniforms came around the same time as the announcement of miller park.  so there was a little bit of influence on that logo.

This message was edited by green_bay_jake on 7-31-06 @ 8:16 PM

green_bay_jake

07-31-2006, 03:55 PM

i stink!

cougarjake13

07-31-2006, 04:17 PM

<img height="209" src="http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/profiles/images/jimm_MilwaukeeBrewers.jpg" width="209" border="0" />     <img height="150" src="http://www.celebopedia.com/milwaukee-brewers/images/milwaukee-brewers.jpg" width="150" border="0" /> there you go

green_bay_jake

07-31-2006, 08:37 PM

thanks!

niche

07-31-2006, 09:10 PM

Bulldogcakes is right!  Trade Soriano for your future.  He's easy to bring back.  Everybody needs to recognize that the Tigers,  are the team.  With their trade for Sean Casey, a left-handed bat, the boys from Detroit may just repeat the magic of '84.  Like J-dubs,I am from Detroit, and have endured almost 20 years of misery.  Seriously, they still suck until they win it all.  3 years ago they had the worst season record ever for an AL team, 1 game away from matching the Mets for the worst season ever for both AL and NL teams.  I can't believe this season is for real.  Faith Under Chaos is the best metal group rollin'.

HBox

07-31-2006, 09:15 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2535859" target="_blank">This is one of the most asinine articles I have ever read in my life.</a>Everytime the Red Sox do (or don't do) something that pisses off their fan base, Jayson Stark will be ready with an article saying its someone else's fault. <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2535859" target="_blank"></a>

El Mudo

08-01-2006, 04:18 AM

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Bulldogcakes is right! Trade Soriano for your future. He's easy to bring back.
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I already made the point....If they had traded him, he had made it clear he would NOT sign here in the offseason

"We felt the best deal we could make is no deal," Nationals general manager Jim Bowden said in a conference call with reporters from San Francisco, where Washington is in town for a three-game series. "He wants to stay in D.C. and did not want to be traded."

This message was edited by El Mudo on 8-1-06 @ 8:22 AM

El Mudo

08-01-2006, 04:29 AM

Here's another article:

Grinning from ear-to-ear, Soriano expressed relief about the day's news and the end of weeks of speculation he was heading elsewhere.
"Pretty exciting," he said standing in front of a locker filled with champagne, tequila, a fruit basket and signs declaring "Vive Soriano!" "I think a lot of people in here love me, and I love my teammates too. I'm so happy that I can stay here."

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20060801-123347-4126r.htm

cougarjake13

08-01-2006, 04:03 PM

El Mudo

08-02-2006, 01:14 PM

we'll see how much of that love is still there when the yankees and others are throwing more millions at him then wash can, plus i have to think that if any team says that they'll make him their 2nd baseman he'll be gone

The Nats are not owned by MLB any more, therefore, they can now spend money. And they don't have any other people that will be FA's they need to lock up

This is NOT a small market team...We are not Kansas City, Florida, or Tampa Bay

And he has made exactly ZERO noise all season about playing LF. There was that spat when they originally moved him out there, and its been a non issue since then

cougarjake13

08-02-2006, 02:06 PM

El Mudo wrote: we'll see how much of that love is still there when the yankees and others are throwing more millions at him then wash can, plus i have to think that if any team says that they'll make him their 2nd baseman he'll be gone The Nats are not owned by MLB any more, therefore, they can now spend money. And they don't have any other people that will be FA's they need to lock up This is NOT a small market team...We are not Kansas City, Florida, or Tampa Bay And he has made exactly ZERO noise all season about playing LF. There was that spat when they originally moved him out there, and its been a non issue since then yeh b/c he knew that at most he'd have to play out the whole year and less if traded by the deadline and as many previous posters have said, his numbers stacked up against other outfielders are not as good as when compared to other 2nd baseman, and when it comes to pay day he's gonna want the most, and he's only probably going to be considered an above average at best of, while as a second baseman he's probably in the top five, offensively speaking of course

Bulldogcakes

08-05-2006, 10:12 AM

2 big stories today<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2539544" target="_self"> Andruw Jones claimed on waivers </a>Now the Braves have two choices -- either work out a trade with the
team who placed the claim by Saturday or pull Jones back from waivers.
If they pull him back, they cannot trade him again for the rest of this
season.They have until 1:00 saturday to work it out, which was an hour ago. Still no answer, which is odd.   <h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2540043" target="_self" title="Rotator cuff problem could end season for Colon">Rotator cuff problem could end season for Colon</a>The injury-plagued season of <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=laa">Los Angeles Angels</a><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5763">Bartolo Colon</a>
took another hit on Friday when last year's AL Cy Young Award winner
learned he has a rotator cuff problem that could possibly end his 2006
campaign.  </h1>

cougarjake13

08-05-2006, 12:01 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: 2 big stories today<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2539544" target="_self"> Andruw Jones claimed on waivers </a> Now the Braves have two choices -- either work out a trade with the team who placed the claim by Saturday or pull Jones back from waivers. If they pull him back, they cannot trade him again for the rest of this season.  They have until 1:00 saturday to work it out, which was an hour ago. Still no answer, which is odd.   <h1></h1>any word on which team put in the claim ??? actually i know a bunch of them prob did but which team got the first dibs ???

Bulldogcakes

08-06-2006, 07:34 AM

<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5811464?FSO1&ATT=HMA" target="_self" title="Could Trump buy Cubs?">
Could Trump buy Cubs?</a>That may be getting a little ahead of the game, but in an interview on
670 The Score in Chicago, Trump said he'd be interested in purchasing
the franchise.Trump,
appearing as a guest on the "Mike North Morning Show," was asked if he
would want to own the team. His reply: "I would be interested, yeah. I
think the Cubs are a great franchise, a storied franchise, an amazing
franchise."It's sad to see what's happened to the Cubs, but management hasn't really done a good job over the years.""I would certainly be interested in the Cubs," Trump said. The Tribune Company is reportedly considering selling the struggling team. Trump says alot of things, but I had to post this just to make Mojo soil his pants <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5811464?FSO1&ATT=HMA" target="_self" title="Could Trump buy Cubs?"></a>

Bama

08-06-2006, 09:01 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: 2 big stories today<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2539544" target="_self"> Andruw Jones claimed on waivers </a> Now the Braves have two choices -- either work out a trade with the team who placed the claim by Saturday or pull Jones back from waivers. If they pull him back, they cannot trade him again for the rest of this season.  They have until 1:00 saturday to work it out, which was an hour ago. Still no answer, which is odd.   <h1></h1>any word on which team put in the claim ??? actually i know a bunch of them prob did but which team got the first dibs ???I guess we'll never know. Looks like Andruw will stay for the rest of the season. Now he's gonna be a 10-5 guy so hopefully he can stay for a long time.6 1/2 out of the wild card. The Bravos aren't dead yet.

docgoblin

08-13-2006, 05:09 PM

Bama wrote: 6 1/2 out of the wild card. The Bravos aren't dead yet.  Good! I hope the Mets play them in the postseason and finally shake that monkey off their back!

TheMojoPin

08-14-2006, 05:52 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a title="Could Trump buy Cubs?" href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5811464?FSO1&ATT=HMA" target="_self">Could Trump buy Cubs?</a> That may be getting a little ahead of the game, but in an interview on 670 The Score in Chicago, Trump said he'd be interested in purchasing the franchise.  Trump, appearing as a guest on the "Mike North Morning Show," was asked if he would want to own the team. His reply: "I would be interested, yeah. I think the Cubs are a great franchise, a storied franchise, an amazing franchise."It's sad to see what's happened to the Cubs, but management hasn't really done a good job over the years.""I would certainly be interested in the Cubs," Trump said. The Tribune Company is reportedly considering selling the struggling team.    Trump says alot of things, but I had to post this just to make Mojo soil his pants <a title="Could Trump buy Cubs?" href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5811464?FSO1&ATT=HMA" target="_self"></a> Ugh.  No thanks.

kellermcgee21

08-17-2006, 04:44 AM

for all those teams looking for that next great up and coming pitcher<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2552112">http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2552112</a> let the bidding war start

Gvac

08-22-2006, 06:53 PM

The mighty Cincinnati Reds are not going away.  After tonight's 14-0 bashing of Houston (coupled with the Mets' victory over St. Louis) we're only a game out of first and 2.5 up in the wild card race.

TheMojoPin

08-22-2006, 08:06 PM

Gvac wrote: The mighty Cincinnati Reds are not going away.  After tonight's 14-0 bashing of Houston (coupled with the Mets' victory over St. Louis) we're only a game out of first and 2.5 up in the wild card race.  While I'd love to see the Reds take it over Houston or the Cards, I don't think they stand a chance in the playoffs with their pitching.  Honestly, if any NL team can pull it off, I'm banking on the Dodgers.  The Mets are good, but they're gonna suffer from "Cardinals syndrome"; too big a lead the whole year and no real challenge.  The teams that have to fight their way into the playoffs are usually the ones that can get hot and take it all.That said, I don't think ANY NL team has a goddamn chance against the AL this year.

Earlshog

08-24-2006, 05:57 AM

Don't sleep on Cincy... in the play-offs all you need is a stud like Harang to be lights out and things get even pretty quick. The pitching isn't great but if they play LA it will be counter balanced by the Dodgers lineup.

I would love to see Philly take that wild card... in a best out of five they could throw Myers at you twice Hammel and Liber... Howard, Utley, Rollins, Burrell. That is a dangerous team.

cougarjake13

08-24-2006, 02:01 PM

Earlshog wrote: Don't sleep on Cincy... in the play-offs all you need is a stud like Harang to be lights out and things get even pretty quick. The pitching isn't great but if they play LA it will be counter balanced by the Dodgers lineup. I would love to see Philly take that wild card... in a best out of five they could throw Myers at you twice Hammel and Liber... Howard, Utley, Rollins, Burrell. That is a dangerous team. they'd (cincy) would have to win the division to play L.A. but i think st louis will still win it, they have a slightly easier schedulei'd hate it if the phillies get in, they always seem to beat us up, even when they suck

TheMojoPin

08-24-2006, 03:50 PM

a stud like HarangThat's crazy talk.

Bulldogcakes

08-29-2006, 01:51 PM

Alot of rumors that Girardi is on the outs in Fla, and is rumored to be at the top of the list to replace Dusty in Chicago. Any thoughts Mojo?

TheMojoPin

08-29-2006, 03:13 PM

I've been following the Girardi stuff very closely...he's definitely on my list of Cubs players who are inexpliably beloved despite not being that great a ballplayer (he was decent, but some people talk like he was a god), but I can't really argue with what he's done in Florida.  And he's got a haircut you can set a watch to.Freddi Gonzalez with the Braves is the other name that comes up the most, and he's got a great track record as a minor league coach and as a coach with the Marlins and Braves over the last 15 years.Personally, the name tossed about locally that I'm most interested in is Larry Dierker, but I don't think that's too likely.All I gotta say is if they pull Brenley out of the booth and put him in charge, I'm kicking someone in the teeth.

Bulldogcakes

08-29-2006, 03:20 PM

I LOVE Girardi. Very smart, very principled guy. I hope he's a future Yankee manager. While he was on the Yankees, Torre and others always remarked how he'll make a real good mgr someday. He has leadership qualities and commands respect (did you see the way he chewed out his star player Cabrera a month ago?).He is also very thorough with getting all the info he needs to make good decisions. Love the guy.

TheMojoPin

08-29-2006, 04:25 PM

Trust me, I wouldn't complain at all if he came to the Cubs...supposedly they and the Yanks are the two teams he can opt out of his deal for if they come calling for him.My only issue with him is his spoken baseball philosophy in the past indicates he favors veterans over rookies too much, and we're just getting over the horrible use of that mentality with Baker.  Even Pinella played the young kids when he had no other options...Girardi is in the same point now.  It's a bit tricky to figure out how much he's actually done and how much of it is just the pure raw talent that they have with some of their players down in Florida.

TheMojoPin

09-05-2006, 07:29 PM

CUBS LOSE!  LAST PLACE IS OURS!  At last, another #1 draft pick we can butcher for no good reason and ruin for everyone else!2003: 1st 2004: 3rd 2005: 4th 2006: 6th Good job, Jim Hendry.Really, it's almost impressive how this team has fled in absolute terror from victory after the meltdown at the end of 2004.  And of course, Hendry will be back as the GM.  Nevermind this organization would pay $15 million to see Sosa play for another team, God forbid they eat the $1.25 million they pay Hendry each year over the next 2 years and fire his fat ass along with Baker and the rest of the coaching staff.  As a Cubs fan, losing is nothing new but to see them fall so pathetically in just 2 years due to such a retarded front office and management staff is insulting.

Earlshog

09-06-2006, 06:45 AM

TheMojoPin wrote:  a stud like Harang  That's crazy talk.not so crazy look at his numbers... Top 5 NL

Marc with a c

09-06-2006, 03:50 PM

if you were the yankees would you trade jeter/arod for reyes/wright for opening day next year.  straight up, money is no object.same question posed for the mets.

Bulldogcakes

09-06-2006, 04:01 PM

PearlNecklace wrote: if you were the yankees would you trade jeter/arod for reyes/wright for opening day next year. straight up, money is no object.same question posed for the mets. Yankee fan, not in a million years. Let these guys do it for a few years before we put them in that league. And when Wright is on pace to hit 800 HR's, call me.  <blockquote />

TheGameHHH

09-06-2006, 05:22 PM

there was a no-no tonight down in florida, that's awesome!

A.J.

09-07-2006, 03:54 AM

TheGameHHH wrote: there was a no-no tonight down in florida, that's awesome! Yeah - by one of the guys Boston gave up in the Beckett deal.  The tradition of trading excellence continues.

cougarjake13

09-09-2006, 12:11 PM

i know that bonds still techically has the homer record with 73 but ryan howard now has 56 homers in 141 games, meaning he only needs to hit 5 more homers in the next 13 games to beat ruth's record of 60 in 154, and 6 in the next 21 to beat maris 61 in 162with bonds mcgwire and sosa supposedly being part of the steroids gang, will mlb fans embrace howard as the new champ ???

Welshie

09-09-2006, 12:16 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: i know that bonds still techically has the homer record with 73 but ryan howard now has 56 homers in 141 games, meaning he only needs to hit 5 more homers in the next 13 games to beat ruth's record of 60 in 154, and 6 in the next 21 to beat maris 61 in 162with bonds mcgwire and sosa supposedly being part of the steroids gang, will mlb fans embrace howard as the new champ ???They should...but they won't.Two reasons: 1) The record already has been probably unrepairably tarnished by Bonds, McGwire and Sosa. I don't know how many people care about it at this point. Being a Phillies fan, I hope he cracks 61, though. It's been one of the most impressive seasons in MLB history that no one knows about this guy has had. 2) He's a Phillie, and the national media hates Philadelphia teams. If he was a Yankee or Mets, or on the Red Sox, it'd be the lead of every sports program and every sports talk show would discuss endlessly whether he should be recoginzed by the public as the true HR king. 

This message was edited by Welshie on 9-9-06 @ 4:19 PM

Bulldogcakes

09-10-2006, 05:18 AM

<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" class="tablehead"><tr align="right" class="colhead"><td align="left">CENTRAL</td><td width="6%"><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20060910&column=wins&year=2006&order=true&br=3&type=reg&group=2&st=2">W</a></td><td width="6%"><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20060910&column=losses&year=2006&order=true&br=3&type=reg&group=2&st=2">L</a></td><td width="8%"><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20060910&column=winPercent&year=2006&order=true&br=3&type=reg&group=2&st=2">PCT</a></td><td width="5%"><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20060910&column=gamesBehind&year=2006&order=true&br=3&type=reg&group=2&st=2">GB</a></td><td><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20060910&column=homeWinPercent&year=2006&order=true&br=3&type=reg&group=2&st=2">HOME</a></td><td><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20060910&column=roadWinPercent&year=2006&order=true&br=3&type=reg&group=2&st=2">ROAD</a></td><td><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20060910&column=pointsFor&year=2006&order=true&br=3&type=reg&group=2&st=2">RS</a></td><td><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20060910&column=pointsAgainst&year=2006&order=false&br=3&type=reg&group=2&st=2">RA</a></td><td><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20060910&column=streak&year=2006&order=true&br=3&type=reg&group=2&st=2">STRK</a></td><td>L10</td></tr>

<tr align="right" class="oddrow"><td align="left"><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=det">Detroit</a></td><td>86</td><td>57</td><td>.601</td><td width="5%" class="sortcol">-</td><td>42-28</td><td>44-29</td><td width="5%">703</td><td width="5%">564</td><td>Lost 2</td><td>3-7</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow"><td align="left"><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=min">Minnesota</a></td><td>82</td><td>59</td><td>.582</td><td width="5%" class="sortcol">3</td><td>47-23</td><td>35-36</td><td width="5%">690</td><td width="5%">614</td><td>Won 2</td><td>6-4</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow"><td align="left"><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=chw">Chicago Sox</a></td><td>82</td><td>60</td><td>.577</td><td width="5%" class="sortcol">3.5</td><td>46-27</td><td>36-33</td><td width="5%">787</td><td width="5%">687</td><td>Won 2</td><td>4-6</td></tr></table> Dont look now, but the Twins are only 2 out in the loss collumn. If Detroit doesn't turn it around they could be out of the playoff mix altogether. And they have alot of young pitchers who are past their prior innings totals, which is when many young pitchers run into a wall.That would, of course, give my beloved Yanks the best record in the AL. Sweet!

crb1

09-10-2006, 05:53 AM

Welshie wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: i know that bonds still techically has the homer record with 73 but ryan howard now has 56 homers in 141 games, meaning he only needs to hit 5 more homers in the next 13 games to beat ruth's record of 60 in 154, and 6 in the next 21 to beat maris 61 in 162with bonds mcgwire and sosa supposedly being part of the steroids gang, will mlb fans embrace howard as the new champ ???They should...but they won't.Two reasons: 1) The record already has been probably unrepairably tarnished by Bonds, McGwire and Sosa. I don't know how many people care about it at this point. Being a Phillies fan, I hope he cracks 61, though. It's been one of the most impressive seasons in MLB history that no one knows about this guy has had. 2) He's a Phillie, and the national media hates Philadelphia teams. If he was a Yankee or Mets, or on the Red Sox, it'd be the lead of every sports program and every sports talk show would discuss endlessly whether he should be recoginzed by the public as the true HR king. This message was edited by Welshie on 9-9-06 @ 4:19 PM There are a couple of other reasons that you can't change the record.1) Ryan Howard is clean?  Who's to say he's not shooting HGH or exploiting one of the many loopholes in the questionable testing program?  Don't assume he's clean, just because there is now "testing" in place.2) They've never proven, or received confessions from players, that the numbers they put up were a result of steroids.  You can't remove a record without proof of guilt.  You also would then have to prove that Bonds and McGwire would not have broken the record if they were clean.  Sounds easy enough, but let's see some facts.3)  Who's to say Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa weren't hitting these homers off pitchers that juiced?  They could have been facing a guy throwing 5 mph faster because he was cheating too.

Marc with a c

09-10-2006, 07:42 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: That would, of course, give my beloved Yanks the best record in the AL. Sweet! but not the majors.<div class="componentHead"><img src="http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/tank/tank/MrMet_267x200.jpg" border="0" /></div>

Kevin

09-15-2006, 08:29 AM

PearlNecklace wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: That would, of course, give my beloved Yanks the best record in the AL. Sweet! but not the majors.* class="componentHead"><img src="http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/tank/tank/MrMet_267x200.jpg" border="0" /> <div />No, No he was right... The Majors. The NL is a AAAA leauge. Bragging that you have a great record in the NL is like bragging that your a ladies man because you bang a lot of fat chicks. It’s easy to do and under no circumstances should it be mentioned let alone bragged about.

A.J.

09-15-2006, 08:48 AM

This <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2587235&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos2" target="_self">article</a> sums up the woes of the O's quite nicely.Sadly, Camden has become Fenway/Yankee Stadium South.

cougarjake13

09-17-2006, 07:06 AM

congrats to soriano for becoming the 4th player to hit 40-40 joing canseco in 88, bonds in 96 and shocker to me a-rod in 98<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5973322">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5973322</a>

cougarjake13

09-18-2006, 02:19 PM

pete rose signs baseballs with im sorry i bet on baseball<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5978398">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5978398</a>too little too late my friend

Tenbatsuzen

09-22-2006, 06:12 AM

Reports are coming out via ESPN that Girardi is done at the end of the season. I love how the front-office "source" fucking kills Girardi about his "people skills" and "questionable in-game decisions"... HE'S A FUCKING ROOKIE MANAGER!  EVERYONE MAKES THOSE MISTAKES THEIR FIRST YEAR! Jesus Christ, I hate the Marlins front office.  HAAAAAATE them.

crb1

09-22-2006, 06:36 AM

Here's a link the article:<a href="http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-spnewgirardi22sep22,0,1734031.story?coll=sfla-sports-front">http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-spnewgirardi22sep22,0,1734031.story?coll=sfla-sports-front</a>It sounds like they're trying to sabotage him, like Tenbats had mentioned a while ago. I don't think it will work, since he has established a strong reputation rather quickly and will probably be NL Manager of the Year.  The question now is if the Cubs will hire him.  It's really best for Girardi, since that team is in constant turnover mode and doesn't have the resources that a team like the Cubs can offer.

Earlshog

09-22-2006, 06:41 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Reports are coming out via ESPN that Girardi is done at the end of the season. I love how the front-office "source" fucking kills Girardi about his "people skills" and "questionable in-game decisions"... HE'S A FUCKING ROOKIE MANAGER!  EVERYONE MAKES THOSE MISTAKES THEIR FIRST YEAR! Jesus Christ, I hate the Marlins front office.  HAAAAAATE them.   I agree.... he turned it around down there...  I like it as a Phillie fan they are a rival and it will set the future back... I don't like it cause Philly has to play Fla 6 more times... the wildcard hopes hang in the balance and Fla has the win one for Joe thing going for them

Bulldogcakes

09-22-2006, 04:53 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Reports are coming out via ESPN that Girardi is done at the end of the season. I love how the front-office "source" fucking kills Girardi about his "people skills" and "questionable in-game decisions"... HE'S A FUCKING ROOKIE MANAGER! EVERYONE MAKES THOSE MISTAKES THEIR FIRST YEAR! Jesus Christ, I hate the Marlins front office. HAAAAAATE them.   And the #1 rumored place where he'd land is Mojo's Cubbies. So what do you think Mojo? I think I've posted this already, but I love the guy and am not surprised he did so well with so little this year.  <blockquote />

Tenbatsuzen

09-22-2006, 07:55 PM

I can see the following things happening:Girardi's contract states that he can negotiate without the team's permission (or something like that) for two jobs: The Cubs and the Yankees. So even if the Marlins try to wait out Girardi and REALLY try to sabotage him by keeping him in the hook until the Cubs job is filled, it won't work. If the cubs DON'T fire Baker, then I can see Girardi either getting a job with the Yankees or the Mets, as one of the front runners for Girardi's job is Manny Acta.  The Yankees will make room for him no matter what. Joe deserves better than this, and I hope he gets a hold of something.  Because you know what?  If he was such a horrible people person like the Marlins front office portrays him to be, he would have lost the team a long time ago.  That obviously didn't happen, so it shows him to be a player's manager. His job isn't to sell merchandise.  His job is to win baseball games.  And given the Florida miniscule payroll, he did that in spades.  So WHAT if he made some questionable defensive replacements, or player shifting?  As I said, HE'S A ROOKIE MANAGER!  The Marlins don't recognize they are playing with house money with an 80+ win season.  It's not like he's Grady Little in the 2003 ALCS.

Doctor Z

09-24-2006, 07:47 PM

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this... But no team is gonna finish with 100 wins this year.

TheMojoPin

09-25-2006, 06:12 AM

If the cubs DON'T fire Baker, then I can see Girardi either getting a job with the Yankees or the Mets, as one of the front runners for Girardi's job is Manny Acta.  The Yankees will make room for him no matter what.The Cubs won't fire Baker.  His contract expires this season and it's about 99.9% guarenteed Dusty and at least 2 of the coaches will be just "walking away" as per mutual agreement between them and the club.  Personally, I think it's gutless and he should have been fired around the ASB.  Besides, I'm not happy until the entire coaching and training staff is given the boot with maybe 2 exceptions.And to answer BDC, I wouldn't HATE Girardi as manager of the Cubs, but I am not terribly excited about it.  One of my biggest issues with Baker is how he uses starting pitchers, especially young ones, into the ground leading to a ton of injuries, and Joe has done actions along those lines more times than I'm comfortable with during his stint with the Marlins this year.  I'd much rather have the rumored leading replacement candidate, Freddi Gonzalez of the Braves.

cougarjake13

09-25-2006, 01:11 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: I don't know if anyone's mentioned this... But no team is gonna finish with 100 wins this year. yanks and mets (both 93-62)and the tigers (94-62) still have a chance but all 3 need to win all their games left to do it

Doctor Z

09-25-2006, 02:33 PM

The Tigers have 5 games left, with 94 wins. The best they can do is 99. It can't happen.

HBox

09-25-2006, 02:35 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: The Tigers have 5 games left, with 94 wins. The best they can do is 99. It can't happen.  Detroit has 6 games left.

TheMojoPin

09-25-2006, 06:05 PM

<a href="http://www.hbo.com/apps/schedule/ScheduleServlet?ACTION_DETAIL=DETAIL&FOCUS_ID=626942" target="_blank">Share in my futility with the new HBO documentary Wait 'Til Next Year: The Saga of The Chicago Cubs.</a>

Doctor Z

09-25-2006, 06:15 PM

I stand corrected... But it's still not happenin'.

crb1

09-26-2006, 05:24 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: <a href="http://www.hbo.com/apps/schedule/ScheduleServlet?ACTION_DETAIL=DETAIL&FOCUS_ID=626942" target="_blank">Share in my futility with the new HBO documentary Wait 'Til Next Year: The Saga of The Chicago Cubs.</a>Was this put together by a Cubs fan, because it just screams Reverse Jinx?

TheMojoPin

09-26-2006, 09:55 AM

crb1 wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: <a href="http://www.hbo.com/apps/schedule/ScheduleServlet?ACTION_DETAIL=DETAIL&FOCUS_ID=626942" target="_blank">Share in my futility with the new HBO documentary Wait 'Til Next Year: The Saga of The Chicago Cubs.</a>Was this put together by a Cubs fan, because it just screams Reverse Jinx?I have no idea what the people who made it are fans off...it's produced by the HBO Sports division of the company.  They've done a number of baseball documentaries, and I've personally found them all to be pretty damn excellent.  Shit, I even liked the one about the Red Sox.

crb1

09-26-2006, 10:12 AM

You're right.  They have put out a number of good sports docs.  I liked the City on Fire one about the '68 Tigers.  At least they held back Steve Bartman's name in the description:"...infamous heartbreak of a spectator's foul-ball deflection in 2003."

TheMojoPin

09-26-2006, 01:30 PM

I'm resigned to the fact that people everywhere are going to chalk up '69 to a fuckin' black cat and '03 to Steve Bartman as opposed to the actually shitty plays/playing that botched both years.  '03 especially bugs me since I was alive to see it and it's burned into my memory...Alex Gonzalez and his bobbled easy double play will bug me forever FAR more than a foul ball in the stands that Alou MIGHT have caught.

Kevin

09-26-2006, 02:33 PM

This is why as a Yankee fan i love that the Redsox won it in 04. The reason i love it is years like this year they can't blame it on a bullshit curse anymore. They have to blame what should be blamed, bad managing, bad play on the feild and bad front office moves.

This message was edited by Kevin on 9-26-06 @ 6:34 PM

Bama

09-26-2006, 07:14 PM

Baseball sucks when your team sucks.The Braves are going to sweep the Mets just to piss us off.

TokeOne

09-26-2006, 07:50 PM

Dodgers are heating up again at just the right time.

Doctor Z

09-27-2006, 06:27 PM

And THAT, my friends, is why the Yankees didn't re-sign Gordon.

cougarjake13

09-28-2006, 03:19 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: The Tigers have 5 games left, with 94 wins. The best they can do is 99. It can't happen. when i posted it they were 94-62 , so that means they have 6 games left, a 162 game schedule, unless they had a rained out game they dont plan on making up, but things are tight with them and the twinkies so unless either team goes on a big losing streak, that game will be playedobviously this is all a mute point since detriot lost 2 games but i digress

johnniewalker

09-28-2006, 05:34 PM

The NL Central could be within .5 game tonight.  Looks like the brewers are smashing the cards right now.   I don't know how the Astros do it every year, with little hitting.   This division is not good..

Bulldogcakes

09-28-2006, 06:16 PM

We could be witnessing the biggest collapse in Baseball history. Worse than the 64 Phillies. St Louis is in a freefall, and thats hard to stop, no matter who you're playing.

TheMojoPin

09-29-2006, 03:35 AM

johnniewalker wrote: The NL Central could be within .5 game tonight.  Looks like the brewers are smashing the cards right now.   I don't know how the Astros do it every year, with little hitting.   This division is not good..  Worst division in baseball, which just makes me hate the lack of decent moves with the Cubs in the offseason even more.

cougarjake13

09-29-2006, 07:42 AM

houston has a three game series with atlantawhile the cardinals have 3 more games with the brew crewhouston has some control in this in that if they sweep atlanta it will force st louis to sweep the remaining games with the brewers and then make up a san fran game that got rained out, if st louis wins that make up game they're in , if they lose there will be a one game playoff play in game betw houston and st louisme personally i'm hoping for that exact scenario

Earlshog

09-29-2006, 07:46 AM

you guys think the Phillies are dead? The Giants can win two out of three from LA   I doubt Philly can sweep FLA

crb1

09-29-2006, 08:00 AM

Earlshog wrote: you guys think the Phillies are dead?The Giants can win two out of three from LA I doubt Philly can sweep FLAThey're not dead, but they're on life support.  Being out 2 with 3 to play is tough.  I'm sure the Giants would love nothing more than to sweep LA out of the playoffs, but I'm not sure they can.  I doubt Philly can sweep the Marlins either, but I can see them taking two of three.  Personally, I'd love to see a one game playoff between the Phillies and LA, and another between Houston and St. Louis. The NL is definitely making up for the overall mediocrity of the league with some exciting baseball the last couple weeks of the season.

crb1

09-29-2006, 08:03 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: houston has a three game series with atlantawhile the cardinals have 3 more games with the brew crewhouston has some control in this in that if they sweep atlanta it will force st louis to sweep the remaining games with the brewers and then make up a san fran game that got rained out, if st louis wins that make up game they're in , if they lose there will be a one game playoff play in game betw houston and st louisme personally i'm hoping for that exact scenarioSame here.  And if the St. Louis/Houston game happens, it will be Oswalt (who was great yesterday) vs. Carpenter (although they may start that one game against the Giants on Monday).  If the Astros make it, they may just be the favorites in the NL. They have a good front 3, and Berkman has been on fire of late.  Not sure if they can get past the Mets, even without Pedro, but it would be a great series.

cougarjake13

09-29-2006, 08:16 AM

crb1 wrote: Earlshog wrote: you guys think the Phillies are dead?The Giants can win two out of three from LA I doubt Philly can sweep FLAThey're not dead, but they're on life support.  Being out 2 with 3 to play is tough.  I'm sure the Giants would love nothing more than to sweep LA out of the playoffs, but I'm not sure they can.  I doubt Philly can sweep the Marlins either, but I can see them taking two of three.  Personally, I'd love to see a one game playoff between the Phillies and LA, and another between Houston and St. Louis. The NL is definitely making up for the overall mediocrity of the league with some exciting baseball the last couple weeks of the season. i would love to have that doubleheader of play in games, major league baseball is probably hoping for it as well, extra games, more revunue, excitement about the product,etcplus as a mets fan it only helps us as these teams are going to have to use their best pitchers and give it their all just to get in, making them depleted, at least theoretically

Marc with a c

09-30-2006, 05:08 PM

why are the nats getting rid of robinson?

TheMojoPin

09-30-2006, 05:54 PM

Damn...I figured I'd owe Spoon at least $10 bucks at the end of the season, but it looks like it's gonna be at least $20.

Fallon

09-30-2006, 06:55 PM

Marc with a c wrote: why are the nats getting rid of robinson?  <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/coach?id=20" target="_blank" title="Look!">He's not very good.</a>

cougarjake13

10-01-2006, 05:39 AM

grimsley accuses clemens, pettite, tejada among others that took steroids or permance enhancers<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6018380">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6018380</a>whether this is true or not, many people have speculated that clemens had to have taken something to still be this good at his age, i wonder if he'll get a pass like he has so far or will he be condemned like barry bondsand how long before someone in the media(probably steven a smith) brings up the race card

johnniewalker

10-01-2006, 07:49 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: grimsley accuses clemens, pettite, tejada among others that took steroids or permance enhancers<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6018380">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6018380</a>whether this is true or not, many people have speculated that clemens had to have taken something to still be this good at his age, i wonder if he'll get a pass like he has so far or will he be condemned like barry bondsand how long before someone in the media(probably steven a smith) brings up the race card  Yeah I could hear steven a., scoop jackson, and jason whitlock try to make this argument. Race and arguments don't mix.  I think Clemens should get a pass for a while.  He's one of these mega superstars like Bonds, that gets so much scrutiny there's no way the media has looked away till right now.  He played with the Yankees and Boston.  Its hard to see no one outing him.

kellermcgee21

10-01-2006, 12:05 PM

The cardinals are the N.L. central champs <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/drunk.gif" border="0" />   not that i'm going to brag about how we got it.  The last couple weeks have been pretty awful... but at least we saved Carpenter from pitching today so we could get two games out of him in the next playoff series.

TheMojoPin

10-01-2006, 12:08 PM

CUBS CLINCH LAST PLACE!!!  BUST OUT THE BOX OF WINE!!!!Though I may seriously get my drink on when they announce they're "parting ways" with Dusty Baker tomorrow.  If they don't, I am officially giving up on this team until he's gone.

kellermcgee21

10-01-2006, 12:20 PM

mojo I think joe girardi is going to end up managing your cubbies next year....dusty baker has to be fired there have been a lot of games that he seems like he just gives up and just sits there chomping on his toothpick...but look on the bright side at least kerry wood will be gone next year and you can build a rotation around Zambrano and other pitchers that you can expect to start at least 10 games.... as the cub fans say theirs always next year <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

johnniewalker

10-02-2006, 12:54 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: CUBS CLINCH LAST PLACE!!! BUST OUT THE BOX OF WINE!!!!Though I may seriously get my drink on when they announce they're "parting ways" with Dusty Baker tomorrow. If they don't, I am officially giving up on this team until he's gone. I like your change of icon. Although z is a stud, its time to put the cubs out our minds for a while.

TheMojoPin

10-02-2006, 01:41 PM

kellermcgee21 wrote: mojo I think joe girardi is going to end up managing your cubbies next year....dusty baker has to be fired there have been a lot of games that he seems like he just gives up and just sits there chomping on his toothpick...but look on the bright side at least kerry wood will be gone next year and you can build a rotation around Zambrano and other pitchers that you can expect to start at least 10 games.... as the cub fans say theirs always next year <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" /> I'm curious as to what will happen manager wise since the team president, Andy MacPahil, was fired/resigned yesterday.  The GM, Jim Hendry, has 2 years left but the comments from the organization weren't too subtle in making it sound like he has only 1 of those years to turn it around significantly or they easily eat the 1 million owed his 2nd year and he's gone, too.  So what manager would want to come in to such turmoil?  This is going to be an interesting off season...the organization suddenly sounds pissed about losing, something the Tribune has never done in the 25 years they've owned it.  Personally, I'm agreeing with the speculation that they'll sell the team in the next 2-3 years and that they're gonna do their best to buy a WS in the meantime to maximize the sale, which is fine by me.  I'm just happy they're not reducing payroll like I had feared.And Wood is almost certainly back, but only for a year and with a cheap incentive deal to work out of the bullpen and become the closer.  He really stepped up the other day when he said this:"I know I haven't given this organization or the fans or this team what they paid for two, three years ago," Wood said. "As a player, you feel -- you don't want to say 'guilty' -- but you want to feel like you've done your job and earned your money and gone out and done what you're supposed to do. There's an obligation there, absolutely. "This organization has given me everything I've got and gave me a chance to play baseball and they drafted me," he said. "There's definitely loyalty here. I love Chicago, I love the fans, I love the stadium, I love Wrigley Field. I love everything about the situation I'm in, but I understand the reality of the game. Hopefully it'll be only one conversation. We'll talk and decide what's best for the organization and best for me, and hopefully that's staying here."That's fucking class.  He was dominant out of the bullpen last year...his main problem now is he can only go about 60 pitches, which works fine if he's only doing an inning or 2 of work a game.  They can balance out the closer's role with Bob Howry, Michael Wuertz and Dempster or Eyre (one of whom will likely be tarded to free up some cash) until Wood is strong enough to do it whenever needed.I like your change of icon. Although z is a stud, its time to put the cubs out our minds for a while.Damn right.  It's always been my tradition to put all of my Cubs stuff away the day after their season ends.  EVERYTHING.  It stays out of sight until pitchers and catcher report.  Now it's time to focus on the Bears!

cougarjake13

10-02-2006, 02:49 PM

baker is out in chicago, maybe girardi will be up next<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6023508">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6023508</a>

Gvac

10-02-2006, 05:01 PM

As far as my Reds go, wait 'till next year!In the meantime, I'll remember happier times.  I just ordered this - <img border="0" src="http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-2506143reg.jpg" /> A 7 DVD collection which includes the original broadcasts of all 7 games from the 1975 World Series as well as a ton of extras.

johnniewalker

10-02-2006, 05:06 PM

Gvac wrote: As far as my Reds go, wait 'till next year!In the meantime, I'll remember happier times. I just ordered this - A 7 DVD collection which includes the original broadcasts of all 7 games from the 1975 World Series as well as a ton of extras.   They had a good year.  I love freel leading off, and Dunn will always be a stud.  They could use help at 1st and getting a closer they can rely on.  I still think the Willy Mo Pena trade will look bad in the future, but for now it paid off well.  Till next year.

Marc with a c

10-03-2006, 09:08 AM

a's are going to the world series.

Marc with a c

10-03-2006, 09:27 AM

1-0 a's. top 2ndthomas went deep.

Marc with a c

10-03-2006, 09:33 AM

2-0, ex met marco scutaro drives in ex met jay payton.

johnniewalker

10-03-2006, 10:19 AM

Zito is pitching a huge game.   This would be a big one to take away from minnesota.

johnniewalker

10-03-2006, 11:14 AM

Another big homerun by Frank.  Who saw this guy being this huge this season?

Marc with a c

10-03-2006, 11:32 AM

big win.  needed to take at least one away from oakland.that was a big homerun.

TheMojoPin

10-03-2006, 11:59 AM

Marlins have already signed Braves coach Freddi Gonzalez to be their new manager, taking away my #3 pick to be the Cubs' new skipper.  Joe Girardi is apparently on WGN radio tonight with the Cubs' acting prez, so we'll see.  He's not my favorite choice, but I guess it could be worse.

Earlshog

10-03-2006, 12:08 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Marlins have already signed Braves coach Freddi Gonzalez to be their new manager, taking away my #3 pick to be the Cubs' new skipper.  Joe Girardi is apparently on WGN radio tonight with the Cubs' acting prez, so we'll see.  He's not my favorite choice, but I guess it could be worse. why don't you like him?

Kevin

10-03-2006, 01:06 PM

Nice work on that foul ball Piazza.

TheMojoPin

10-03-2006, 02:33 PM

Earlshog wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Marlins have already signed Braves coach Freddi Gonzalez to be their new manager, taking away my #3 pick to be the Cubs' new skipper.  Joe Girardi is apparently on WGN radio tonight with the Cubs' acting prez, so we'll see.  He's not my favorite choice, but I guess it could be worse. why don't you like him?His issues down in Florida.  I know their front office is staffed by a bunch of assholes, but some reports and sources indicate he didn't work well with ANYONE, whether they deserved his grief or not.  A manager needs to be able to work with the front office on at least some level.  And he shows waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much eagerness to run starting pitchers well past when they should be pulled, which was my biggest gripe about Baker when he was managing the Cubs.Overall, I'm not toally opposed to the guy...he would just be my 4th or 5th choice.  Right now I'd much rather see someone like Larry Dierker or the awesomely named Razor Shines.

cougarjake13

10-03-2006, 03:10 PM

johnniewalker wrote: Another big homerun by Frank.  Who saw this guy being this huge this season? billy beane, that guy's a fucking genius

TheMojoPin

10-03-2006, 04:20 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: johnniewalker wrote: Another big homerun by Frank.  Who saw this guy being this huge this season? billy beane, that guy's a fucking geniusQFT.

BoondockSaint

10-04-2006, 06:56 AM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2612495" target="_self">Showalter out as manager.</a>  So, obviously, the Rangers will win it all next year.

TheMojoPin

10-04-2006, 07:11 AM

It scares me that all these crappy manager types are on the loose with Baker out in Chicago...Pinella, Showalter, Alou (probably), Robinson, Brenley...ye gads, what a pack of baseball butchers.  If Joe Morgan suddenly wants in, I think they could destroy the game forever.

BoondockSaint

10-04-2006, 07:15 AM

The Cubs should hire all of them to manage one month each.

BoondockSaint

10-04-2006, 09:49 AM

Just saw that the Twins starting pitcher today, Boof Bonser, is from Pinellas Park, FL.  I wonder if he knows T-Bird?

TheMojoPin

10-04-2006, 09:57 AM

BoondockSaint wrote: The Cubs should hire all of them to manage one month each. Ah, the beloved College of Coaches all over again.

Gvac

10-04-2006, 01:28 PM

So the Oakland A's go into Minnesota and sweep two.  Who woulda thunk it?Where the hell is Manny?

OGC

10-04-2006, 04:05 PM

Have I mentioned lately how much Joe Morgan SUCKS ?

Marc with a c

10-04-2006, 04:07 PM

Gvac wrote: So the Oakland A's go into Minnesota and sweep two.  Who woulda thunk it?Marc with a c wrote: a's are going to the world series.

Gvac

10-05-2006, 02:56 PM

What do you make of this?Proof for the need for revenue sharing, or the opposite? (Teams with asterisks are in the playoffs) <table width="742" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td width="100%">2006 MLB
Team Payrolls</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="100%">
Based Upon 2006
Season as of April 7, 2006</td>
</tr>
</table>

<table width="729" height="44" border="0"><tr><td width="49" height="18">Rank</td>
<td width="327" height="18">Team</td>
<td width="339" height="18">Total
Payroll </td>

</tr><tr>
<td width="49" valign="top" height="1">1 *** </td>
<td width="327" valign="top" height="1">New York Yankees</td>
<td width="339" valign="top" height="1">$194,663,079</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td width="49" valign="top" height="1">2</td>
<td width="327" valign="top" height="1">Boston Red Sox</td>
<td width="339" valign="top" height="1">$120,099,824</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td width="49" valign="top" height="1">3</td>
<td width="327" valign="top" height="1">Los Angeles Angels</td>
<td width="339" valign="top" height="1">$103,472,000</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td width="49" valign="top" height="1">4</td>
<td width="327" valign="top" height="1">Chicago White Sox</td>
<td width="339" valign="top" height="1">$102,750,667</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td width="49" valign="top" height="1">5 *** </td>
<td width="327" valign="top" height="1">New York Mets</td>
<td width="339" valign="top" height="1">$101,084,963</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td width="49" valign="top" height="1">6 *** </td>
<td width="327" valign="top" height="1">Los Angeles Dodgers</td>
<td width="339" valign="top" height="1">$98,447,187</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td width="49" valign="top" height="1">7</td>
<td width="327" valign="top" height="1">Chicago Cubs</td>
<td width="339" valign="top" height="1">$94,424,499</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td width="49" valign="top" height="1">8</td>
<td width="327" valign="top" height="1">Houston Astros</td>
<td width="339" valign="top" height="1">$92,55

Bulldogcakes

10-05-2006, 02:59 PM

I think it shows that spending lots of money guarentees you nothing.

Bulldogcakes

10-05-2006, 03:02 PM

Hey Mojo, I have a dark horse candidate for your managerial job openingBuck ShowalterHe's helped build two championship franchises (Yanks/Arizona) and is a turnaround specialist. I think if you do it though, Jim Hendry should go. Give Buck the keys to the store and let him pick his own GM to run the place.  What do you think?

Bossanova

10-05-2006, 03:07 PM

The Texas Rangers are next years world sereis champions.  Buck Showalter fired from Yanks they win the next year.  Buck fired from Diamondbacks, they win the next year.  Get ready Texas fans.Lets go Metshttp://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m205/Minutebloe/esd4sigbz9.jpg

TheMojoPin

10-05-2006, 05:08 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Hey Mojo, I have a dark horse candidate for your managerial job openingBuck ShowalterHe's helped build two championship franchises (Yanks/Arizona) and is a turnaround specialist. I think if you do it though, Jim Hendry should go. Give Buck the keys to the store and let him pick his own GM to run the place.  What do you think? No thanks to Showalter.  He had the help of some dynamic front offices behind him...the Cubs have money, but not front office smarts.  Buck is part of that old school baseball pack I railed against a few posts up that can't do squat unless they have a WS-ready team dumped in their lap.  They're stuck thinking it's still 1972, and I'm tired of getting those kind of guys.And I want Hendry gone.  They got rid of McPhail, Dusty and all the coaches, yet Hendry is still there?  I'm baffled over that...though all of the comments about him seem to indicate he has NOW to make serious improvements or he's gone and they eat the 2nd year of his contract.  I certainly hope so.

FezPaul

10-05-2006, 05:25 PM

<table height="44" width="729" border="0"><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">30</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Florida Marlins</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$14,998,500</td></tr></table>And they made a good run at making the playoffs.

cougarjake13

10-05-2006, 05:38 PM

[quote]Gvac wrote: What do you make of this?Proof for the need for revenue sharing, or the opposite? (Teams with asterisks are in the playoffs)  <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="742" border="0"><tr><td width="100%">2006 MLB Team Payrolls</td></tr><tr><td width="100%">Based Upon 2006 Season as of April 7, 2006</td></tr></table><table height="44" width="729" border="0"><tr><td width="49" height="18">Rank</td><td width="327" height="18">Team</td><td width="339" height="18">Total Payroll </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">1 *** </td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">New York Yankees</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$194,663,079</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">2</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Boston Red Sox</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$120,099,824</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">3</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Los Angeles Angels</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$103,472,000</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">4</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Chicago White Sox</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$102,750,667</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">5 *** </td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">New York Mets</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$101,084,963</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">6 *** </td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Los Angeles Dodgers</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$98,447,187</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">7</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Chicago Cubs</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$94,424,499</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">8</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Houston Astros</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$92,551,503</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">9</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Atlanta Braves</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$90,156,876</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">10</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">San Francisco Giants</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$90,056,419</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">11 *** </td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">St. Louis Cardinals</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$88,891,371</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1"><fon

TheMojoPin

10-05-2006, 06:39 PM

<table height="44" width="729" border="0"><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">7</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Chicago Cubs</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$94,424,499</td></tr></table>That really can't be understated enough.  These idiots spend nearly 100 million dollars and can't even win 70 games.  Pathetic.

johnniewalker

10-05-2006, 06:42 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: <table width="729" height="44" border="0"><tr><td width="49" valign="top" height="1">7</td><td width="327" valign="top" height="1">Chicago Cubs</td><td width="339" valign="top" height="1">$94,424,499</td></tr></table>That really can't be understated enough. These idiots spend nearly 100 million dollars and can't even win 70 games. Pathetic. You have to remember to factor in Dusty Baker.

TheMojoPin

10-06-2006, 03:49 AM

Even he was able to get to the playoffs repeatedly with a decent team.  I blame Hendry most of all for not being able to put together a group of functioning players.

crb1

10-06-2006, 04:12 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: Even he was able to get to the playoffs repeatedly with a decent team.  I blame Hendry most of all for not being able to put together a group of functioning players. How does he still have his job in Chicago?  He hasn't done a great job bringing in free agents or overseeing their player development.  It makes no sense to fire the manager, and then let the GM (who has more influence over the direction of the team) stay.In Florida, it made sense to keep Beinfest and fire Girardi, because he did a lot in trades and dev. to put a good team on the field for nothing.  Hendry spent $94 million to finish dead last, and I get the feeling he has no plan on how he will build the team for '07.

A.J.

10-06-2006, 04:16 AM

Gvac wrote: What do you make of this?Proof for the need for revenue sharing, or the opposite? (Teams with asterisks are in the playoffs) <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="742" border="0"><tr><td width="100%">2006 MLB Team Payrolls</td></tr><tr><td width="100%">Based Upon 2006 Season as of April 7, 2006</td></tr></table> <table height="44" width="729" border="0"><tr><td width="49" height="18">Rank</td><td width="327" height="18">Team</td><td width="339" height="18">Total Payroll </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">1 *** </td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">New York Yankees</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$194,663,079</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" width="49" height="1">2</td><td valign="top" width="327" height="1">Boston Red Sox</td><td valign="top" width="339" height="1">$120,099,824</td></tr></table> "We're gonna need a bigger stadium."<img height="113" src="http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes/jaws164.jpeg" width="266" border="0" />

TheMojoPin

10-06-2006, 10:57 AM

crb1 wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Even he was able to get to the playoffs repeatedly with a decent team.  I blame Hendry most of all for not being able to put together a group of functioning players. How does he still have his job in Chicago?  He hasn't done a great job bringing in free agents or overseeing their player development.  It makes no sense to fire the manager, and then let the GM (who has more influence over the direction of the team) stay.In Florida, it made sense to keep Beinfest and fire Girardi, because he did a lot in trades and dev. to put a good team on the field for nothing.  Hendry spent $94 million to finish dead last, and I get the feeling he has no plan on how he will build the team for '07.  Trust me, I have no clue why Hendry isn't gone.  They totally cleaned house except for him...like I said, it definitely sounds like he only has 1 of his 2 years left to make serious changes or he's out.  The club only has to eat about a million if they do that.  I'm not his biggest fan, but he has made some decent moves...he just never seems to complete the deal.  He'll get 2-3 players you need and they do well, but he ignores you still need another 2-3 to turn it around.  And he seems terrified of big money free agent signings, which he needs to get over ASAP.  He can trade like a mofo but his signings are ass.

keithy_19

10-06-2006, 03:04 PM

Oakland advances. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" />

johnniewalker

10-06-2006, 03:06 PM

I'm not real sure what to make of the A's.  Real good team, or did Minnesota choke really bad?  I don't think Minne played well at all.

Gvac

10-06-2006, 03:16 PM

I want to go on record as the first one to say this - The A's are going to the World Series.

Kevin

10-06-2006, 03:25 PM

Gvac wrote: I want to go on record as the first one to say this - The A's are going to the World Series. Of Poker, Darts??? Because it won't be baseball. After Santana the Twins had nobody.

TheMojoPin

10-06-2006, 04:11 PM

johnniewalker wrote: I'm not real sure what to make of the A's.  Real good team, or did Minnesota choke really bad?  I don't think Minne played well at all. Both.I'd like to see the A's win and shut all of those Billy Beane/Moneyball detractors the fuck up.

Tall_James

10-10-2006, 12:32 PM

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69q8nvI8ZTo&eurl=" target="_self">We need to dust off this old piece of shit again...</a>

HBox

10-10-2006, 06:28 PM

It's not often you get to see a calf blowing out on video. I'd rather not see it again.

Bama

10-10-2006, 09:40 PM

Wow, the Tigers looked real good in game 1. Zito looked like a future Yankee.

Bulldogcakes

10-11-2006, 05:19 PM

Mojo who do you want as manager for next year? Any names?I know you dont like Pinella, but I heard one of espn's baseball writers (Tjurkian?) today saying he thinks Pinella has the inside track for the Cubs job, and that would help them lure A-Rod to the team via trade since A-Rod has the blanket no-trade clause. Would that change your mind? It makes sense to me that wherever Pinella lands, A-Rod may soon follow. He sought him out for advice in the midst of his worst slump this year, that says alot about their relationship.

TheMojoPin

10-11-2006, 05:46 PM

The only way I'd be happy with Sweet Lou would be if his hiring means they're increasing the payroll at least $25 million and they're going to out and be aggressive and sign at least 2-3 BIG free agents.  Anything involving ARod would be cake since I'm assuming he will not be traded at this point.Right now, out of the repeatedly rumored names, I prefer Bob Brenly (not a fan of his managerial days in Arizona, but I've listened to him as an announcer for the last 2 years and he's seemed to have learned a lot and he often called out Baker and the Cubs when they screwed up.  Plus he's a big fan of OBP.  You down wit' OBP?  Yeah, you know me) or Bruce Bochy.  I'm still not sold on Girardi.  My dream pick would be Larry Dierker, but I don't think he wants to manage anymore.

Bama

10-11-2006, 11:42 PM

Ok, now I'm convinced that Detroit is winning the whole thing.

This message was edited by Bama on 10-12-06 @ 3:43 AM

Bulldogcakes

10-12-2006, 03:13 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: The only way I'd be happy with Sweet Lou would be if his hiring means they're increasing the payroll at least $25 million and they're going to out and be aggressive and sign at least 2-3 BIG free agents. Anything involving ARod would be cake since I'm assuming he will not be traded at this point.Right now, out of the repeatedly rumored names, I prefer Bob Brenly (not a fan of his managerial days in Arizona, but I've listened to him as an announcer for the last 2 years and he's seemed to have learned a lot and he often called out Baker and the Cubs when they screwed up. Plus he's a big fan of OBP. You down wit' OBP? Yeah, you know me) or Bruce Bochy. I'm still not sold on Girardi. My dream pick would be Larry Dierker, but I don't think he wants to manage anymore. If you sign Lou, that tells me that youre going for it, and fast. Lou made clear he wanted out of TB because he was sick of the losing, even with the fact he's from Tampa. He's a very competitive guy, and not known for his patience with fuck ups. He wants to win and win fast, so if he's interested in the job he must be convinced they're going for it.<a href="http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/cubs.asp?id=237384" target="_self" title="story">Story </a>   

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-12-06 @ 7:15 PM

Marc with a c

10-13-2006, 01:42 PM

i severely dislike kenny rogers.

BoondockSaint

10-13-2006, 03:09 PM

The A's are really trying to screw the Mets.

mdr55

10-13-2006, 03:42 PM

Can the unthinkable happen? Kenny Rogers beats the Yanks and the Mets on the way to winning the World Series?  Please say it ain't so.

Bulldogcakes

10-13-2006, 04:03 PM

mdr55 wrote: Can the unthinkable happen? Kenny Rogers beats the Yanks and the Mets on the way to winning the World Series? Please say it ain't so. 
 I have a feeling by the time this is over, the Yanks will have been the only team that won a game against the Tigers.  <blockquote />

Doctor Z

10-13-2006, 04:15 PM

So uhh... The Tigers haven't lost since taking a 4-3 lead in Game 2 of the ALDS... They're surging like the '04 Red Sox.

Bulldogcakes

10-13-2006, 04:43 PM

Mojo. Zambrano for A-Rod. Straight up. Deal?

Kevin

10-13-2006, 06:21 PM

Gvac wrote: I want to go on record as the first one to say this - The A's are going to the World Series. How is that prediction going for you big man?

Bama

10-13-2006, 10:06 PM

Wow, the A's are choking like dogs.Detroit will destroy NY.

Kevin

10-13-2006, 10:11 PM

Bama wrote: Wow, the A's are choking like dogs.Detroit will destroy NY................... Again.................. If the the the fogazy sandman does not prevent the other NY from getting there.

Bulldogcakes

10-14-2006, 03:48 AM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2624381" target="_self" title="Pinella pulls out of SF job">Pinella pulls out of SF job</a>As much as Lou Piniella would have loved to manage the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=sfo">San Francisco Giants</a>, he took himself out of running for the job Friday strictly because of geography.Piniella,
who is broadcasting the American League Championship Series for Fox,
lives in Tampa, Fla., and was reminded this week on a long
cross-country flight of one of the main reasons why he left the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=sea">Seattle Mariners</a> in the first place. Sabean, who worked with Piniella in the Yankees
organization, knew that Piniella's preference would probably be to
stick closer to home. Piniella is still up for the job to replace Dusty Baker as manager of the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=chn">Chicago Cubs</a> and he also spoke to the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=was">Washington Nationals</a> and <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=tex">Texas Rangers</a> -- though Piniella said the Washington job was not an ideal fit for either party.  Texas is closest to his Tampa home, but I have a feeling its The Cubbies. Unless the Rangers have some big ML ready pitching prospects I dont know about. Again, if they sign Pinella I expect them to be busy in the off season. It means they're going for it. Makes sense because Hendry must be in an increasingly precarious position, and desperate GM's try to do big things to save their job. <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2624381" target="_self" title="Pinella pulls out of SF job"></a>

TheMojoPin

10-14-2006, 05:50 AM

I think Hendry is trying to figure out whether he wants Bochy or Pinella.  Personally, I want Bochy.  Again, if they are going to go spend-crazy (and the Chicago papers are reporting Hendry can spend at least $115 million if he needs to, a $20 million increase from last year) and make the right moves, I can live with Pinella.  The rumored focus right now is that they want Soriano for 2nd, Carlos Lee for RF and they'll shift Jacque Jones over to CF, something that'll probably last until he gets traded so the Cubs' phenom CF prospect, Felix Pie, can move in.  They've also been having their scouts spend a LOT of time in Japan in the last few months, and supposedly Hendry has been instructed to bid hard for Matsuzaka.  Those 3 movies right there suddenly make the Cubs serious contenders, and in THAT case, I actually might enjoy seeing Sweet Lou run the ship.

Kevin

10-14-2006, 02:39 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: I think Hendry is trying to figure out whether he wants Bochy or Pinella.  Personally, I want Bochy.  Again, if they are going to go spend-crazy (and the Chicago papers are reporting Hendry can spend at least $115 million if he needs to, a $20 million increase from last year) and make the right moves, I can live with Pinella.  The rumored focus right now is that they want Soriano for 2nd, Carlos Lee for RF and they'll shift Jacque Jones over to CF, something that'll probably last until he gets traded so the Cubs' phenom CF prospect, Felix Pie, can move in.  They've also been having their scouts spend a LOT of time in Japan in the last few months, and supposedly Hendry has been instructed to bid hard for Matsuzaka.  Those 3 movies right there suddenly make the Cubs serious contenders, and in THAT case, I actually might enjoy seeing Sweet Lou run the ship.The Yankees want Him and there is no way Hendry is out bidding the Yankees for him. Because that's is the only aspect of the game that the Yankees are going to spend money on. Starting pitching, and they are going to spend a lot of money on them. Besides every Japan Player dreams of cashing in on the Yankee money train in Japan like Matsui has done. He makes three times as much money now that he is with the Yankees that he ever made while playing in Japan.

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-14-06 @ 6:44 PM

TheMojoPin

10-14-2006, 03:14 PM

Kevin wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: I think Hendry is trying to figure out whether he wants Bochy or Pinella.  Personally, I want Bochy.  Again, if they are going to go spend-crazy (and the Chicago papers are reporting Hendry can spend at least $115 million if he needs to, a $20 million increase from last year) and make the right moves, I can live with Pinella.  The rumored focus right now is that they want Soriano for 2nd, Carlos Lee for RF and they'll shift Jacque Jones over to CF, something that'll probably last until he gets traded so the Cubs' phenom CF prospect, Felix Pie, can move in.  They've also been having their scouts spend a LOT of time in Japan in the last few months, and supposedly Hendry has been instructed to bid hard for Matsuzaka.  Those 3 movies right there suddenly make the Cubs serious contenders, and in THAT case, I actually might enjoy seeing Sweet Lou run the ship.The Yankees want Him and there is no way Hendry is out bidding the Yankees for him. Because that's is the only aspect of the game that the Yankees are going to spend money on. Starting pitching, and they are going to spend a lot of money on them. Besides every Japan Player dreams of cashing in on the Yankee money train in Japan like Matsui has done. He makes three times as much money now that he is with the Yankees that he ever made while playing in Japan.This message was edited by Kevin on 10-14-06 @ 6:44 PM Get over your team, really.  They CAN be outbid, especially given that they've reached near critical mass with their payroll.  I know they're going to drop costs, but the Cubs have VERY deep pocketbooks.  While they usually spend only around $100 million these days (yeah, it really shows, huh?), the Tribune has never made them cut back on costs and have always increased it whenever needed without fail.  Hendry is a man fighting for his job working for a company that's pissed about the results the last 2 years and very possibly going to sell the team in the next 3-5 years.  A HUGE way to inflate the team's value is to start winning, possibly win a WS and draw in a big chunk of the Asian market by getting a guy like Daisuke.Hendry's ass is in the fire for wimping out on the bidding for guys like Beltran, Tejada and Furcal in the last few years, and the sudden payroll influx and company comments point to them telling him he needs to buy big and start winning or else.  I don't doubt the Yankees will end up with Zito when all is said and done, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs beat them out for Matsuzaka.  They've been having a lot of Japanese focus over the past year and the hammer is coming down.  He's exactly the kind of impact signing they need and will probably fight for this time around.

Fallon

10-14-2006, 03:16 PM

<a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-alcs-fox-lyonsfired&prov=ap&type=lgns" target="_blank">Fox fires Lyons after insensitive comment</a>

Kevin

10-14-2006, 03:22 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Kevin wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: I think Hendry is trying to figure out whether he wants Bochy or Pinella.  Personally, I want Bochy.  Again, if they are going to go spend-crazy (and the Chicago papers are reporting Hendry can spend at least $115 million if he needs to, a $20 million increase from last year) and make the right moves, I can live with Pinella.  The rumored focus right now is that they want Soriano for 2nd, Carlos Lee for RF and they'll shift Jacque Jones over to CF, something that'll probably last until he gets traded so the Cubs' phenom CF prospect, Felix Pie, can move in.  They've also been having their scouts spend a LOT of time in Japan in the last few months, and supposedly Hendry has been instructed to bid hard for Matsuzaka.  Those 3 movies right there suddenly make the Cubs serious contenders, and in THAT case, I actually might enjoy seeing Sweet Lou run the ship.The Yankees want Him and there is no way Hendry is out bidding the Yankees for him. Because that's is the only aspect of the game that the Yankees are going to spend money on. Starting pitching, and they are going to spend a lot of money on them. Besides every Japan Player dreams of cashing in on the Yankee money train in Japan like Matsui has done. He makes three times as much money now that he is with the Yankees that he ever made while playing in Japan.This message was edited by Kevin on 10-14-06 @ 6:44 PM Get over your team, really.  They CAN be outbid, especially given that they've reached near critical mass with their payroll.  I know they're going to drop costs, but the Cubs have VERY deep pocketbooks.  While they usually spend only around $100 million these days (yeah, it really shows, huh?), the Tribune has never made them cut back on costs and have always increased it whenever needed without fail.  Hendry is a man fighting for his job working for a company that's pissed about the results the last 2 years and very possibly going to sell the team in the next 3-5 years.  A HUGE way to inflate the team's value is to start winning, possibly win a WS and draw in a big chunk of the Asian market by getting a guy like Daisuke.Hendry's ass is in the fire for wimping out on the bidding for guys like Beltran, Tejada and Furcal in the last few years, and the sudden payroll influx and company comments point to them telling him he needs to buy big and start winning or else.  I don't doubt the Yankees will end up with Zito when all is said and done, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs beat them out for Matsuzaka.  They've been having a lot of Japanese focus over the past year and the hammer is coming down.  He's exactly the kind of impact signing they need and will probably fight for this time around.You could say anything you want. Yankees have never been outbid for a player that they really wanted. And throw the payroll out of the window after this year and how they went down, and they know the reason the went down is sp. They will spend whatever it takes to get a SP. Matsuzaka. will Be a Yankee.

johnniewalker

10-14-2006, 03:25 PM

Fallon wrote: <a target="_blank" href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-alcs-fox-lyonsfired&prov=ap&type=lgns">Fox fires Lyons after insensitive comment</a> I didn't even know pinella was hispanic. Until they fire a person of another race in similar position for expressly the same reasons, they are communicating that whites should know better and be more responsible than their racial counterparts.

johnniewalker

10-14-2006, 03:27 PM

Kevin wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Kevin wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: I think Hendry is trying to figure out whether he wants Bochy or Pinella. Personally, I want Bochy. Again, if they are going to go spend-crazy (and the Chicago papers are reporting Hendry can spend at least $115 million if he needs to, a $20 million increase from last year) and make the right moves, I can live with Pinella. The rumored focus right now is that they want Soriano for 2nd, Carlos Lee for RF and they'll shift Jacque Jones over to CF, something that'll probably last until he gets traded so the Cubs' phenom CF prospect, Felix Pie, can move in. They've also been having their scouts spend a LOT of time in Japan in the last few months, and supposedly Hendry has been instructed to bid hard for Matsuzaka. Those 3 movies right there suddenly make the Cubs serious contenders, and in THAT case, I actually might enjoy seeing Sweet Lou run the ship.The Yankees want Him and there is no way Hendry is out bidding the Yankees for him. Because that's is the only aspect of the game that the Yankees are going to spend money on. Starting pitching, and they are going to spend a lot of money on them. Besides every Japan Player dreams of cashing in on the Yankee money train in Japan like Matsui has done. He makes three times as much money now that he is with the Yankees that he ever made while playing in Japan.This message was edited by Kevin on 10-14-06 @ 6:44 PM Get over your team, really. They CAN be outbid, especially given that they've reached near critical mass with their payroll. I know they're going to drop costs, but the Cubs have VERY deep pocketbooks. While they usually spend only around $100 million these days (yeah, it really shows, huh?), the Tribune has never made them cut back on costs and have always increased it whenever needed without fail. Hendry is a man fighting for his job working for a company that's pissed about the results the last 2 years and very possibly going to sell the team in the next 3-5 years. A HUGE way to inflate the team's value is to start winning, possibly win a WS and draw in a big chunk of the Asian market by getting a guy like Daisuke.Hendry's ass is in the fire for wimping out on the bidding for guys like Beltran, Tejada and Furcal in the last few years, and the sudden payroll influx and company comments point to them telling him he needs to buy big and start winning or else. I don't doubt the Yankees will end up with Zito when all is said and done, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs beat them out for Matsuzaka. They've been having a lot of Japanese focus over the past year and the hammer is coming down. He's exactly the kind of impact signing they need and will probably fight for this time around.You could say anything you want. Yankees have never been outbid for a player that they really wanted. And throw the payroll out of the window after this year and how they went down, and they know the reason the went down is sp. They will spend whatever it takes to get a SP. Matsuzaka. will Be a Yankee. Why didn't they get Beltran?  I don't even remember, but he seemed like a strong need and a perfect fit at the time if money was not an issue.

Doctor Z

10-14-2006, 03:47 PM

This is ridiculous... If Detroit wins this tonight, they've won 7 straight, and haven't lost since Jeter's 5-hit night in Game 1... That feels like ages ago.

OGC

10-14-2006, 03:54 PM

What a way to win the series!!!!

johnniewalker

10-14-2006, 03:54 PM

What a game, they are good.  Wow!

Kevin

10-14-2006, 04:02 PM

I still do not beleive it. I keep expecting to see Ashton Kucher come out in the screen and to say that all of America has been Punked and this is all a bunch of random clips that have been shown that were recorded throught seasons.

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-14-06 @ 11:25 PM

TheMojoPin

10-14-2006, 04:02 PM

Kevin wrote: You could say anything you want. Yankees have never been outbid for a player that they really wanted. And throw the payroll out of the window after this year and how they went down, and they know the reason the went down is sp. They will spend whatever it takes to get a SP. Matsuzaka. will Be a Yankee.Matsuzaka will not solve all of their pitching problems.  Matsuzaka is going to cost a huge amount of money.  If they go all out for Matsuzaka, do you honestly think they're also going to shell out for Zito or even Schmidt at what they're gonna demand?  Sad to say, they're the only 2 premier FA starters out there, and they're gonna command at lot of cash.  The Cubs are actually much closer to a pretty damn good starting lineup than the Yankees are...getting Matsuzaka alone would pretty much guarentee them the best pitching in the NL Central and maybe even the NL.  That's HUGE motivation to go after this guy on top of the reasons I already listed.  Am I saying that the Yankees won't get him?  No, of course not...you can never count the Yankees out of such things.  But I don't think it's a sure bet they can or even want to get him at the price he'll command with as much pitching as they need to improve.  I think the Yankees would be much better off trying to snatch up both Zito and Schmidt than going after Daisuke.

johnniewalker

10-14-2006, 04:07 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Kevin wrote: You could say anything you want. Yankees have never been outbid for a player that they really wanted. And throw the payroll out of the window after this year and how they went down, and they know the reason the went down is sp. They will spend whatever it takes to get a SP. Matsuzaka. will Be a Yankee.Matsuzaka will not solve all of their pitching problems. Matsuzaka is going to cost a huge amount of money. If they go all out for Matsuzaka, do you honestly think they're also going to shell out for Zito or even Schmidt at what they're gonna demand? Sad to say, they're the only 2 premier FA starters out there, and they're gonna command at lot of cash. The Cubs are actually much closer to a pretty damn good starting lineup than the Yankees are...getting Matsuzaka alone would pretty much guarentee them the best pitching in the NL Central and maybe even the NL. That's HUGE motivation to go after this guy on top of the reasons I already listed. Am I saying that the Yankees won't get him? No, of course not...you can never count the Yankees out of such things. But I don't think it's a sure bet they can or even want to get him at the price he'll command with as much pitching as they need to improve. I think the Yankees would be much better off trying to snatch up both Zito and Schmidt than going after Daisuke.  I totally agree. Zito and Schmidt are much better than A.J. Burnett and the free agent class from last year.  They are both quality number 1 starters, both are going for a steep steep price. Has Zito made any statements on where he would want to pitch.  New york doesn't seem like a place Zito would want to pitch.

TheMojoPin

10-14-2006, 04:10 PM

I think it's safe to say all of these guys are going where the money sends them.

TheMojoPin

10-14-2006, 04:12 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Mojo. Zambrano for A-Rod. Straight up. Deal? Heh, I missed this.Nope.  The only hitters I'd trade Zambrano for straight up are Pujols or Cabrera.Maybe Zambrano for ARod, Pavano and cash, if we're talking like this trade had to happen between the Yankees and Cubs.

DarkHippie

10-14-2006, 04:13 PM

Magglio Ordonez just made himself immortal

Doctor Z

10-14-2006, 04:17 PM

As a Yankee fan, I guess I can't feel too ashamed of getting beat by this team. 7 straight... Not counting the 1st game, could the Tigers sweep ALL the way through the post-season?
Here's something that I think is worth discussing though...
The Tigers made quick work of the A's. The ALCS is already OVER, and the NLCS is only in Game 3 of a 1-1 series... Detroit could find themselves sitting around for close to a WEEK. It's not easy to retain momentum while sitting around for a week... Could this be an advantage for the NL winner?

This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 10-14-06 @ 8:19 PM

OGC

10-14-2006, 04:25 PM

Doctor_Z wrote:  Here's something that I think is worth discussing though... The Tigers made quick work of the A's. The ALCS is already OVER, and the NLDS is only in Game 3 of a 1-1 series... Detroit could find themselves sitting around for close to a WEEK. It's not easy to retain momentum while sitting around for a week... Could this be an advantage for the NL winner? This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 10-14-06 @ 8:18 PM It's a double edge sword. If the NLCS goes 7 games, whoever wins will certainly be on an emotional high going into the World Series and they may have a little momentum, but at this time of year, I think that a team that has time off has a great advantage. Injuries heal, arms get rested. Whoever gets to the WS from the national league probably won't have their ace in the first couple of games and the way Detroit is going, it might be too late then.

Kevin

10-14-2006, 04:40 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Kevin wrote: You could say anything you want. Yankees have never been outbid for a player that they really wanted. And throw the payroll out of the window after this year and how they went down, and they know the reason the went down is sp. They will spend whatever it takes to get a SP. Matsuzaka. will Be a Yankee.Matsuzaka will not solve all of their pitching problems.  Matsuzaka is going to cost a huge amount of money.  If they go all out for Matsuzaka, do you honestly think they're also going to shell out for Zito or even Schmidt at what they're gonna demand?  Sad to say, they're the only 2 premier FA starters out there, and they're gonna command at lot of cash.  The Cubs are actually much closer to a pretty damn good starting lineup than the Yankees are...getting Matsuzaka alone would pretty much guarentee them the best pitching in the NL Central and maybe even the NL.  That's HUGE motivation to go after this guy on top of the reasons I already listed.  Am I saying that the Yankees won't get him?  No, of course not...you can never count the Yankees out of such things.  But I don't think it's a sure bet they can or even want to get him at the price he'll command with as much pitching as they need to improve.  I think the Yankees would be much better off trying to snatch up both Zito and Schmidt than going after Daisuke.I would agree in past years, but the Yankees do not like Zito and have been Jaded by signing older SP, SO Shmidt is not what they want.. Matsuzaka is 26 and they want to get Younger at sp, I could see them using Arod for Younger sp and signing Matsuzaka, Then maybe they would go after Shmidt. But They are first going after younger SP. 

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-14-06 @ 8:41 PM

watson

10-14-2006, 05:20 PM

Go Tigers!

johnniewalker

10-14-2006, 05:22 PM

Kevin wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Kevin wrote: You could say anything you want. Yankees have never been outbid for a player that they really wanted. And throw the payroll out of the window after this year and how they went down, and they know the reason the went down is sp. They will spend whatever it takes to get a SP. Matsuzaka. will Be a Yankee.Matsuzaka will not solve all of their pitching problems. Matsuzaka is going to cost a huge amount of money. If they go all out for Matsuzaka, do you honestly think they're also going to shell out for Zito or even Schmidt at what they're gonna demand? Sad to say, they're the only 2 premier FA starters out there, and they're gonna command at lot of cash. The Cubs are actually much closer to a pretty damn good starting lineup than the Yankees are...getting Matsuzaka alone would pretty much guarentee them the best pitching in the NL Central and maybe even the NL. That's HUGE motivation to go after this guy on top of the reasons I already listed. Am I saying that the Yankees won't get him? No, of course not...you can never count the Yankees out of such things. But I don't think it's a sure bet they can or even want to get him at the price he'll command with as much pitching as they need to improve. I think the Yankees would be much better off trying to snatch up both Zito and Schmidt than going after Daisuke.I would agree in past years, but the Yankees do not like Zito and have been Jaded by signing older SP, SO Shmidt is not what they want.. Matsuzaka is 26 and they want to get Younger at sp, I could see them using Arod for Younger sp and signing Matsuzaka, Then maybe they would go after Shmidt. But They are first going after younger SP. 

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-14-06 @ 8:41 PM  Why don't they like Zito?  I don't see any problems with Zito at all.  He's one of the better SP free agents in a while.

Doctor Z

10-14-2006, 05:22 PM

It may not necessarily be a grueling, 7-game NLCS though. Let's say the Mets or Cards win in 5 (or 6), have a couple days off before the WS starts, and the Tigers have been sitting around for 6 days. I think if anything can kill Detroit's buzz right now it's a week off.

This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 10-14-06 @ 9:24 PM

Bulldogcakes

10-14-2006, 05:27 PM

johnniewalker wrote:  Why didn't they get Beltran? I don't even remember, but he seemed like a strong need and a perfect fit at the time if money was not an issue.  <blockquote />  Because they didn't think he was worth the $$ he was asking for. Beltran was a career .280 hitter who averaged 20 HRs per year at the time. He was asking for 17 million per, which is what they gave Giambi who had a career avg over .300 with 40 HR power. They simply thought he was overpriced. Plus at the time they were spending around 35-40 mil per year in luxury tax. The Yanks will now be saving the $$ they used to spend in luxury tax because they're building a new ballpark, and those funds are deducted from the tax bill.    And they feel the same way about Zito. Alot of people think he's a 2 or 3 starter, but he'll command ace $$ because of the lack of available starters this year.   About Matsuzaka. He's built like Pedro Martinez (slight build) for a power pitcher. That can be trouble, and not just when you get older like Pedro. Also, Gammons reported he expects the POSTING FEE to be around 20-25 million. THEN you have to sign him, probably for another 9-10 per. On a 5 year deal, THATS FIFTEEN MIL PER YEAR FOR A GUY WHO'S NEVER PITCHED IN THE BIG LEAGUES! Zito, who's the top available starter this year is expected to get around 5 years/75 mil. These #s look insane to me, and I doubt any team (but the Yanks) will be willing or able to swallow that. If he comes here and wets the bed ala Hideki Irabu, its a disaster for whoever signs him. Very risky, and makes no sense unless you can unload some dead payroll weight like Pavano.

Kevin

10-14-2006, 05:30 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:   johnniewalker wrote:  Why didn't they get Beltran? I don't even remember, but he seemed like a strong need and a perfect fit at the time if money was not an issue.  Well Mussina's i think 17-20 mil is off the books because they will not pick up his option. Im sure they could eat a portion of Pavanos deal to package him in a deal for somebody. Because they didn't think he was worth the $$ he was asking for. Beltran was a career .280 hitter who averaged 20 HRs per year at the time. He was asking for 17 million per, which is what they gave Giambi who had a career avg over .300 with 40 HR power. They simply thought he was overpriced. Plus at the time they were spending around 35-40 mil per year in luxury tax. The Yanks will now be saving the $$ they used to spend in luxury tax because they're building a new ballpark, and those funds are deducted from the tax bill.    And they feel the same way about Zito. Alot of people think he's a 2 or 3 starter, but he'll command ace $$ because of the lack of available starters this year.   About Matsuzaka. He's built like Pedro Martinez (slight build) for a power pitcher. That can be trouble, and not just when you get older like Pedro. Also, Gammons reported he expects the POSTING FEE to be around 20-25 million. THEN you have to sign him, probably for another 9-10 per. On a 5 year deal, THATS FIFTEEN MIL PER YEAR FOR A GUY WHO'S NEVER PITCHED IN THE BIG LEAGUES! Zito, who's the top available starter this year is expected to get around 5 years/75 mil. These #s look insane to me, and I doubt any team (but the Yanks) will be willing or able to swallow that. If he comes here and wets the bed ala Hideki Irabu, its a disaster for whoever signs him. Very risky, and makes no sense unless you can unload some dead payroll weight like Pavano.  Well Mussina's 15-20 mil is off the books since they will not pick up his option. I am sure someone will take Pavano in a Package deal if we eat some of his salary.

This message was edited by Kevin on 10-14-06 @ 9:31 PM

Bulldogcakes

10-14-2006, 05:43 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Mojo. Zambrano for A-Rod. Straight up. Deal? Heh, I missed this.Nope. The only hitters I'd trade Zambrano for straight up are Pujols or Cabrera.Maybe Zambrano for ARod, Pavano and cash, if we're talking like this trade had to happen between the Yankees and Cubs. You'll . . . take . . . Carl . . . Pavano? Carl . . Pa. . Really? Dont tease me like that! Ahem (puts on poker face) well, I guess I'll have to swallow hard consider that but I dont know. .. ah what the hell, Fine. You drive a hard bargain, sir! A hard bargain!!  <blockquote />   Seriously though, you bring up an interesting thought. Packaging A-Rod with something you want to unload, ala Beckett/Lowell from last year. Throwing some cash in usually affects how much you get back in terms of prospects. And Mojo, everything I read about the Cubbies says you guys dont have much in the farm system. Most observers I've read (national and out of town) think A-Rod will command a good young ML pitcher, a solid prospect (or bullpen help) plus a lower prospect.

Bama

10-14-2006, 05:44 PM

Bama wrote: Wow, the A's are choking like dogs.Detroit will destroy NY.I jinxed the Mets! YES!

Bulldogcakes

10-14-2006, 05:50 PM

Kevin wrote:Well Mussina's 15-20 mil is off the books since they will not pick up his option. I am sure someone will take Pavano in a Package deal if we eat some of his salary.

 MUssina's 19 will likely become 10 or 11, there's 8 mil. Jaret Wright's 7 saves 3 after the buyout. Abreau makes 17, an increase of 4 over Sheff's 13. Simply put, if they can package A-Rod and Pavano somewhere, they have about 33 mil to spend.  <blockquote />

TheMojoPin

10-14-2006, 06:22 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:   TheMojoPin wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Mojo. Zambrano for A-Rod. Straight up. Deal? Heh, I missed this.Nope. The only hitters I'd trade Zambrano for straight up are Pujols or Cabrera.Maybe Zambrano for ARod, Pavano and cash, if we're talking like this trade had to happen between the Yankees and Cubs. You'll . . . take . . . Carl . . . Pavano? Carl . . Pa. . Really? Dont tease me like that! Ahem (puts on poker face) well, I guess I'll have to swallow hard consider that but I dont know. .. ah what the hell, Fine. You drive a hard bargain, sir! A hard bargain!!     Seriously though, you bring up an interesting thought. Packaging A-Rod with something you want to unload, ala Beckett/Lowell from last year. Throwing some cash in usually affects how much you get back in terms of prospects. And Mojo, everything I read about the Cubbies says you guys dont have much in the farm system. Most observers I've read (national and out of town) think A-Rod will command a good young ML pitcher, a solid prospect (or bullpen help) plus a lower prospect. The Arod and Pavano for Zambrano deal would only work if the Cubs are paying next to nothing for the players they're getting for the rest of their contracts.  So, yeah, I'd take Pavano...as long as the Yanks were paying for him.The Cubs have hardly any decent offensive prospects, but pitching-wise, they've got at least half a dozen right now that are going to be quality MLB starters very soon, and they've produced a bunch in the last few years.  Case in point: we don't need Zito.  Why?  We already have one grown at home...his name is Rich Hill.  He's as top a pitching prospect as you can get and he absolutely dominated in the majors the 2nd half of the year when he was finally called up fulltime.  To fill your criteria, him, Scott Eyre or Bob Howry and Scott Moore (Cubs' corner IF prospect) could potentially get it done.  Honestly, that's a good deal.  Hill is cheap and incredible, Eyre and Howry are excellent relievers and Moore is a decent prospect.  It saves the Yankees a lot of money and fills a couple big holes while you have the offense to spare.That said, I still think if a trade for ARod goes down it involves at least a three-way trade.

OGC

10-14-2006, 06:24 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Kevin wrote: Well Mussina's 15-20 mil is off the books since they will not pick up his option. I am sure someone will take Pavano in a Package deal if we eat some of his salary.MUssina's 19 will likely become 10 or 11, there's 8 mil. Jaret Wright's 7 saves 3 after the buyout. Abreau makes 17, an increase of 4 over Sheff's 13. Simply put, if they can package A-Rod and Pavano somewhere, they have about 33 mil to spend.  Minus whatever parts of their salaries the Yankees have to pick up.

Bulldogcakes

10-14-2006, 06:43 PM

TheMojoPin wrote:The Arod and Pavano for Zambrano deal would only work if the Cubs are paying next to nothing for the players they're getting for the rest of their contracts. So, yeah, I'd take Pavano...as long as the Yanks were paying for him. Which gets back to the same old problem with guys like Pavano. If you're going to eat his salary, why not keep him and see if he can give you something, or at least show he's healthy and raise his trade value? Makes no sense to pay a guy to pitch for someone else. I dont doubt that the Yanks could kick in some cash to get more back in terms of prospects, but paying a guys salary outright just doesn't add up.  <blockquote />

Gvac

10-14-2006, 06:59 PM

<img border="0" src="http://www.ilitchholdings.com/Portals/0/Gallery/Album/5/Detroit-tigers-logo.jpg" /> Detroit is going to the Series! I never doubted 'em for a moment!

TheMojoPin

10-14-2006, 07:02 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  TheMojoPin wrote: The Arod and Pavano for Zambrano deal would only work if the Cubs are paying next to nothing for the players they're getting for the rest of their contracts. So, yeah, I'd take Pavano...as long as the Yanks were paying for him. Which gets back to the same old problem with guys like Pavano. If you're going to eat his salary, why not keep him and see if he can give you something, or at least show he's healthy and raise his trade value? Makes no sense to pay a guy to pitch for someone else. I dont doubt that the Yanks could kick in some cash to get more back in terms of prospects, but paying a guys salary outright just doesn't add up.   It does when you're getting a guy like Zambrano.  He's proven he's a horse and seemingly indestructable.  If he can get his walks down he's going to win the Cy Young withing the next couple of years.  Sure, you can hold onto Pavano, but what does that get you?  A bunch of maybes.  You're talking like they'd be paying Pavano to play elsewhere for nothing in return.

Kevin

10-14-2006, 07:08 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:  TheMojoPin wrote: The Arod and Pavano for Zambrano deal would only work if the Cubs are paying next to nothing for the players they're getting for the rest of their contracts. So, yeah, I'd take Pavano...as long as the Yanks were paying for him. Which gets back to the same old problem with guys like Pavano. If you're going to eat his salary, why not keep him and see if he can give you something, or at least show he's healthy and raise his trade value? Makes no sense to pay a guy to pitch for someone else. I dont doubt that the Yanks could kick in some cash to get more back in terms of prospects, but paying a guys salary outright just doesn't add up.   It does when you're getting a guy like Zambrano.  He's proven he's a horse and seemingly indestructable.  If he can get his walks down he's going to win the Cy Young withing the next couple of years.  Sure, you can hold onto Pavano, but what does that get you?  A bunch of maybes.  You're talking like they'd be paying Pavano to play elsewhere for nothing in return.We would need a 3b to replace Arod. Do u have a good 3b in your farm? I guess we could sign Armis Ramirez.

TheMojoPin

10-14-2006, 07:15 PM

Kevin wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:  TheMojoPin wrote: The Arod and Pavano for Zambrano deal would only work if the Cubs are paying next to nothing for the players they're getting for the rest of their contracts. So, yeah, I'd take Pavano...as long as the Yanks were paying for him. Which gets back to the same old problem with guys like Pavano. If you're going to eat his salary, why not keep him and see if he can give you something, or at least show he's healthy and raise his trade value? Makes no sense to pay a guy to pitch for someone else. I dont doubt that the Yanks could kick in some cash to get more back in terms of prospects, but paying a guys salary outright just doesn't add up.   It does when you're getting a guy like Zambrano.  He's proven he's a horse and seemingly indestructable.  If he can get his walks down he's going to win the Cy Young withing the next couple of years.  Sure, you can hold onto Pavano, but what does that get you?  A bunch of maybes.  You're talking like they'd be paying Pavano to play elsewhere for nothing in return.We would need a 3b to replace Arod. Do u have a good 3b in your farm? I guess we could sign Armis Ramirez.Aramis isn't going anywhere.  Expect him to be re-upped before anything else.  At this point, if the Cubs lose Aramis, Hendry won't get any more chances.  He'd be fired that second.  The Tribune has made it clear: he NEEDS to be back, no matter what the cost.And no, we don't have any great 3B prospects.  Few teams do.  We have a couple decent ones, but that's it.  You need to realize that if ARod is traded, it's going to be either to try and get someone good to great at 3rd or a reliable quality #1 or #2 starting pitcher, but not both.  The Yankees would have to hold off until 2007 and hope he explodes to force that kind of deal.  Bottom line, the Yankees can afford to downgrade the offense at 3rd with their lineup.  It would be smart to use ARod to bolster the pitching as much as possible as opposed to trying to replace him at 3rd.

Bulldogcakes

10-14-2006, 07:44 PM

Kevin wrote:We would need a 3b to replace Arod. Do u have a good 3b in your farm? I guess we could sign Armis Ramirez. The Dodgers have a top prosect 3B Andy Laroche, he has power and patience and a solid gove at third. Plus a top starting pitcher they brought up this year Chad Billingsley. He has some problems with control, but has dominating stuff (better than Hughes) and projects to be a dominating starter if he pulls it together. Both are young and unproven, but with very high ceilings. The Angels have Ervin Santana, who has major league experience and SS prospect Eric Aybar, which was the rumored Tejada deal at the deadline. Santana has a live arm, excellent stuff but gives up too many hits. But he's young and should get better. Aybar is said to be a real spark plug type. Steals, runs, makes things happen. Energy like that sounds very attractive for the "dead" looking Yanks. But he's a light hitter with modest AVG (.280) and OBP (.325) in AAA. Really not a Yankee profile player. Also, both the Angels and Dodgers have been marketing to the huge hispanic population in CA, and the Angels are owned by Arte Moreno. A good looking latin star like A-Rod could be worshipped there as long as he produces. Both teams need a big bat, the Dodgers even moreso. I'm still not sure either deal gets it done. Maybe throw in a reliever and you're there. THe Angels also have other, better prospects. But again, I think A-Rod ends up in sunny California. <a title="Baseball America " target="_self" href="http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/26660.html">Baseball America</a>   

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Bulldogcakes

10-15-2006, 05:22 AM

<a href="http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-061014rogersinside,1,6490697.column?coll=cs-cubs-utility" target="_self" title="story">Story </a>
This is why the most intriguing pitcher available is in Japan. But some questions need to be asked about Daisuke Matsuzaka as well. 
 
Perhaps because they knew they would sell his rights after the season,
the Seibu Lions allowed the 26-year-old Matsuzaka to carry a tremendous
workload this season. In his final start, a 13-strikeout shutout in the
first round of the playoffs, Matsuzaka threw 137 pitches, and that
wasn't atypical. 
 
While going 17-5 with a 2.13 ERA, Matsuzaka topped 120 pitches 12 times
in 25 regular-season starts. It's true he got more rest than
major-league pitchers, as the Lions used a six-man rotation, but 115
pitches per start is still an alarming number. He twice topped 140
pitches, with a high of 145. 
 
Say this for Matsuzaka, though. He has always been a workhorse. 
 
He came into prominence in Japan, where high school baseball is king,
with a memorable performance in the 1998 National High School Baseball
Championship. When the quarterfinal game went 17 innings, Matsuzaka
threw 250 pitches. He played the outfield the next day until he pitched
for the save in the ninth. He bounced back to start the championship
game a day later, throwing a nine-inning no-hitter. 
 
That's a hoss. 
 
Matsuzaka, who was named the most valuable player of Japan's surprising
victory in last spring's World Baseball Classic, was 18 when he won 16
games for Seibu in 1999. He has gone 108-60 in eight years with the
Lions, approaching free agency at an unusually young age because he
advanced so quickly as a teenager. 
 
The book on Matsuzaka is that his fastball tops out at 96 and gets some
nasty sink when he throws a two-seamer in the low 90s. His next-best
pitch is a slider as good as any in the big leagues. He has a handful
of secondary pitches, including a change, a roundhouse curve and a
split-finger fastball. 
 
You need nine years to become an unrestricted free agent in Japan.
Matsuzaka can come to North America for the 2007 season only if Seibu
agrees to sell his rights to a major-league team, which it plans to do. 
 
The so-called posting process is expected to begin shortly after the
World Series. Teams will have 40 days to submit bids to Commissioner Bud Selig's office, with the highest one being awarded a 30-day window to accomplish a deal with Matsuzaka, who is being represented by Scott Boras. 
 
Seattle spent $11 million to acquire the rights to Ichiro Suzuki from
the Orix Blue Wave six years ago, then signed him to a three-year, $14
million deal. That was a $25 million outlay that seemed a huge risk. 
 
It will cost more than double that to close a deal with Matsuzaka, and
potentially three to four times as much. The rights fee could run $30,
million with Matsuzaka then seeking $10 million a year for three or
four years. 
 
The Cubs are believed to have scouted Matsuzaka as recently as
September, but no one knows if they'll extend a bid. The front-runners
are the Yankees, Mariners and Dodgers with the Red Sox, Angels,
Rangers, Orioles, Mets and Diamondbacks also known to have interest.

dotsncoms

10-15-2006, 07:44 PM

Why are chicks still doing sports I hate it! don't they know we HATE it!

newport king

10-15-2006, 07:51 PM

lemme get this straight, if 2 or 3 teams actually want to negotiate with this kid, say mets and yankees, they both have to pay the posting fee which is like 30 mil) to seibu just to negotiate with him???

HBox

10-15-2006, 08:01 PM

newport king wrote: lemme get this straight, if 2 or 3 teams actually want to negotiate with this kid, say mets and yankees, they both have to pay the posting fee which is like 30 mil) to seibu just to negotiate with him???   No its a blind auction and only one team wins, whoever submits the highest bid. I don't know what the protocol is if the two teams tie for the highest bid but the point of the whole thing is basically Seibu selling Matsuzaka's rights to one team exclusively.

Kevin

10-16-2006, 07:44 AM

HBox wrote:  newport king wrote: lemme get this straight, if 2 or 3 teams actually want to negotiate with this kid, say mets and yankees, they both have to pay the posting fee which is like 30 mil) to seibu just to negotiate with him???   No its a blind auction and only one team wins, whoever submits the highest bid. I don't know what the protocol is if the two teams tie for the highest bid but the point of the whole thing is basically Seibu selling Matsuzaka's rights to one team exclusively. I think a tie should always go to the Yankees because they are the Yankees.                     Kidding.

crb1

10-16-2006, 07:58 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a title="story" href="http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-061014rogersinside,1,6490697.column?coll=cs-cubs-utility" target="_self">Story </a> This is why the most intriguing pitcher available is in Japan. But some questions need to be asked about Daisuke Matsuzaka as well. Perhaps because they knew they would sell his rights after the season, the Seibu Lions allowed the 26-year-old Matsuzaka to carry a tremendous workload this season. In his final start, a 13-strikeout shutout in the first round of the playoffs, Matsuzaka threw 137 pitches, and that wasn't atypical. While going 17-5 with a 2.13 ERA, Matsuzaka topped 120 pitches 12 times in 25 regular-season starts. It's true he got more rest than major-league pitchers, as the Lions used a six-man rotation, but 115 pitches per start is still an alarming number. He twice topped 140 pitches, with a high of 145. Say this for Matsuzaka, though. He has always been a workhorse. He came into prominence in Japan, where high school baseball is king, with a memorable performance in the 1998 National High School Baseball Championship. When the quarterfinal game went 17 innings, Matsuzaka threw 250 pitches. He played the outfield the next day until he pitched for the save in the ninth. He bounced back to start the championship game a day later, throwing a nine-inning no-hitter. That's a hoss. Matsuzaka, who was named the most valuable player of Japan's surprising victory in last spring's World Baseball Classic, was 18 when he won 16 games for Seibu in 1999. He has gone 108-60 in eight years with the Lions, approaching free agency at an unusually young age because he advanced so quickly as a teenager. The book on Matsuzaka is that his fastball tops out at 96 and gets some nasty sink when he throws a two-seamer in the low 90s. His next-best pitch is a slider as good as any in the big leagues. He has a handful of secondary pitches, including a change, a roundhouse curve and a split-finger fastball. You need nine years to become an unrestricted free agent in Japan. Matsuzaka can come to North America for the 2007 season only if Seibu agrees to sell his rights to a major-league team, which it plans to do. The so-called posting process is expected to begin shortly after the World Series. Teams will have 40 days to submit bids to Commissioner Bud Selig's office, with the highest one being awarded a 30-day window to accomplish a deal with Matsuzaka, who is being represented by Scott Boras. Seattle spent $11 million to acquire the rights to Ichiro Suzuki from the Orix Blue Wave six years ago, then signed him to a three-year, $14 million deal. That was a $25 million outlay that seemed a huge risk. It will cost more than double that to close a deal with Matsuzaka, and potentially three to four times as much. The rights fee could run $30, million with Matsuzaka then seeking $10 million a year for three or four years. The Cubs are believed to have scouted Matsuzaka as recently as September, but no one knows if they'll extend a bid. The front-runners are the Yankees, Mariners and Dodgers with the Red Sox, Angels, Rangers, Orioles, Mets and Diamondbacks also known to have interest. So what this article basically says is that he's a 26-year-old that's basically pitched as much as the average 32-year-old?  250 pitches in one start?  I wonder how hard he was throwing by the 200+ pitch.  I can't even make it out of the 5th inning in RBI before Nolan Ryan's topping out in the 70's.

johnniewalker

10-16-2006, 10:37 AM

Sweet Lou is now the cubs head coach.http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628162&name=FPT-2628162-101614&srvc=sz

Kevin

10-16-2006, 12:29 PM

johnniewalker wrote: Sweet Lou is now the cubs head coach.http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628162&name=FPT-2628162-101614&srvc=sz <a href="http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628162&name=FPT-2628162-101614&srvc=sz" target="_self">The link</a>

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cougarjake13

10-16-2006, 02:56 PM

johnniewalker wrote: Sweet Lou is now the cubs head coach.http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628162&name=FPT-2628162-101614&srvc=sz dont you mean manager ??? unless you meant to say the bears fired lovie smith and hired lou to replace him

Bulldogcakes

10-16-2006, 03:36 PM

Mojooo!oh MOOOOOOJJJJOOOOOOOOO!!!!  Well? What do you think?

TheMojoPin

10-16-2006, 07:11 PM

*BARF*OK, I'm trying to be positive...there are some actual upsides to this.  The $20-$30 million payroll increase I think is happening because of Pinella.  He turned down other teams because he apparently didn't think they were pushing hard enough to "win."  I'm assuming the Cubs pitched him their plan this off-season and he bit.  If they step up and shop smart and make 2-3 serious impact signings and extend Ramirez' contract, shit, Lou just might get it done.  The key is just actually getting the team he needs...can the Cubs do that?  My heart says yes, but my brain screams, "DON'T BE A FUCKING MORON!!!"

TheMojoPin

10-16-2006, 08:44 PM

Oh, Lou...you know how to say all the right things...CHICAGO -- Lou Piniella, who will be formally introduced as the new <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628823" target="_blank">Chicago Cubs</a> manager Tuesday afternoon, wants to acquire embattled -- and possibly available -- <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628823" target="_blank">New York Yankees</a> third baseman <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628823" target="_blank">Alex Rodriguez</a>.<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628823" target="_blank">Sources familiar with the situation told ESPN.com that Piniella, who is extremely close to Rodriguez, expects the Cubs to aggressively pursue the 10-time All-Star. The 63-year-old manager and the 31-year-old Rodriguez have what amounts to a quasi-father/son relationship; Rodriguez was managed in Seattle by Piniella from 1994-2000. It is that relationship -- and the tantalizing talent of Rodriguez -- that has prompted Piniella to want to explore a trade with the Yankees.</a>

HBox

10-16-2006, 08:46 PM

One of the few A-Rod trades I'd be interested in is A-Rod for Carlos Zambrano + we can figure something out.

Kevin

10-16-2006, 08:47 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Oh, Lou...you know how to say all the right things... CHICAGO -- Lou Piniella, who will be formally introduced as the new <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628823" target="_blank">Chicago Cubs</a> manager Tuesday afternoon, wants to acquire embattled -- and possibly available -- <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628823" target="_blank">New York Yankees</a> third baseman <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628823" target="_blank">Alex Rodriguez</a>.  <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628823" target="_blank">Sources familiar with the situation told ESPN.com that Piniella, who is extremely close to Rodriguez, expects the Cubs to aggressively pursue the 10-time All-Star. The 63-year-old manager and the 31-year-old Rodriguez have what amounts to a quasi-father/son relationship; Rodriguez was managed in Seattle by Piniella from 1994-2000. It is that relationship -- and the tantalizing talent of Rodriguez -- that has prompted Piniella to want to explore a trade with the Yankees.</a>  The ultimate loser player unites with the ultimate loser team.... That should be a match made in heaven. Hey Mojo would the Cub fans ever turn on Arod if he pulls a 1-14 in the playoffs? A Cubs deal with the Yankees potentially could include third baseman <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6014">Aramis Ramirez</a>, who posted career highs of 38 home runs and 119 RBI in the regular season. It is thought the Yankees would also want a quality starting pitcher in any deal involving Rodriguez. Isnt Armis a Fa? How could you deal a FA?

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TheMojoPin

10-17-2006, 04:22 AM

Well, the obvious answer is they wouldn't/couldn't trade him.  They're not letting Aramis go since ARod is pretty far from a sure thing, and extendeding his contract (he has an opt out clause now) almost certainly will contain a no-trade clause.  Zambrano's not going anywhere, either.  I highly doubt any trade that gets ARod to the Cubs will happen directly between the 2 teams.  At least 1 other team would be involved, probably the Marlins.  I see something more along the lines of the Cubs trading the farm to get Willis and then spinning him and one of our quality relievers off for ARod.Kevin, you need to get off the idea that they're going to try and replace ARod at 3rd with anything even close to ARod-like numbers.  The Yankees can spare the offense by slightly downgrading there...IF they trade ARod, it's going to be to bolster that trainwreck of a pitching rotation more than anything else.I do, however, see a trade between the Cubs and Yanks if you guys do drop down a ton of cash to get Daisuke.  That's not going to leave a lot of money to get Zito or Schmidt, and the Cubs have a cheap, young version of Zito in Rich Hill.  Trading him, a reliever and probably our 3B prospect actually might get it done, IF the Yanks get Daisuke.

crb1

10-17-2006, 04:56 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: Well, the obvious answer is they wouldn't/couldn't trade him.  They're not letting Aramis go since ARod is pretty far from a sure thing, and extendeding his contract (he has an opt out clause now) almost certainly will contain a no-trade clause.  Zambrano's not going anywhere, either.  I highly doubt any trade that gets ARod to the Cubs will happen directly between the 2 teams.  At least 1 other team would be involved, probably the Marlins.  I see something more along the lines of the Cubs trading the farm to get Willis and then spinning him and one of our quality relievers off for ARod.Disagree.  I still don't see the Marlins trading Willis unless they were overwhelmed.  They're team can actually contend next year, so I think they need (and will) hold onto him.<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">Kevin, you need to get off the idea that they're going to try and replace ARod at 3rd with anything even close to ARod-like numbers.  The Yankees can spare the offense by slightly downgrading there...IF they trade ARod, it's going to be to bolster that trainwreck of a pitching rotation more than anything else.[/quote]Agree.  I really don't know where the A-Rod to the Cubs talk comes from, since they only have one sure fire young pitcher to trade. And it makes no sense for the Cubs to trade Zambrano since A-Rod isn't a tremendous upgrade at 3B (unless they plan to put him at SS).  And the Yankees need a solid player at 3B, not another over-priced stats monster.<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px"> I do, however, see a trade between the Cubs and Yanks if you guys do drop down a ton of cash to get Daisuke.  That's not going to leave a lot of money to get Zito or Schmidt, and the Cubs have a cheap, young version of Zito in Rich Hill.  Trading him, a reliever and probably our 3B prospect actually might get it done, IF the Yanks get Daisuke.[/quote]I don't know if Rich Hill is a guy the Yanks are all that crazy about.  I think the jury is still out on what kind of pitcher he will be.  There was a popular opinion that he'd never pull it together, until he had a few good starts down the stretch.  I think he can be good, but not good enough to convince the Yankees to send A-Rod to the Cubs.  I think the only pitcher they trade A-Rod to the Cubs for is Zambrano (who the Cubs aren't going to trade).  So, unless there's a third team involved, I don't see him ending up in Chicago.

TheMojoPin

10-17-2006, 09:04 AM

Hill didn't just "pull together a few wins down the stretch."  He absolutely dominated the last few months.  How well he pitched simply cannot be understated.  And I'm saying that as someone who was totally fed up with the guy.  On top of that, he has mind-boggling minor league numbers that's he maintained for at least 2 seasons now.  Now just good, INCREDIBLE.  The Zito jr. comparisons are seeming a lot more realistic now and there's not a team in the league that wouldn't want him.  Hell, there was big demand for him even going into this season.  That said, however, I don't think the Cubs could spin him as part of a deal directly with the Yanks for ARod unless the Yankees shell out for Daisuke.  The Hill becomes even more interesting since he's so cheap.And you can't discount Prior.  He has baggage, but packaged right a ton of teams would still want him.  This is the only season he's had sustained troubles due to "natural" injuries...the rest of the DL stints were due to freak accidents.  And, like Hill, he's still VERY young and has huge upside.And very strong inidcations and rumors have supposedly emerged from the Marlins that they'll deal Willis for the right players.  It's Cabrera that they haven't even hinted at trading.

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Kevin

10-17-2006, 09:09 AM

TheMojoPin

10-17-2006, 09:11 AM

Kevin wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Well, the obvious answer is they wouldn't/couldn't trade him.  They're not letting Aramis go since ARod is pretty far from a sure thing, and extendeding his contract (he has an opt out clause now) almost certainly will contain a no-trade clause.  Zambrano's not going anywhere, either.  I highly doubt any trade that gets ARod to the Cubs will happen directly between the 2 teams.  At least 1 other team would be involved, probably the Marlins.  I see something more along the lines of the Cubs trading the farm to get Willis and then spinning him and one of our quality relievers off for ARod.Kevin, you need to get off the idea that they're going to try and replace ARod at 3rd with anything even close to ARod-like numbers.  The Yankees can spare the offense by slightly downgrading there...IF they trade ARod, it's going to be to bolster that trainwreck of a pitching rotation more than anything else.I do, however, see a trade between the Cubs and Yanks if you guys do drop down a ton of cash to get Daisuke.  That's not going to leave a lot of money to get Zito or Schmidt, and the Cubs have a cheap, young version of Zito in Rich Hill.  Trading him, a reliever and probably our 3B prospect actually might get it done, IF the Yanks get Daisuke.I know that Mojo and i do not want a 3b replacment for him, I want good SP. I was commenting on the Espn artical and what they said.I think Yankees and Cubs fans need to come together over this...we can fix a lot of problems for both teams.

crb1

10-17-2006, 09:25 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: Hill didn't just "pull together a few wins down the stretch."  He absolutely dominated the last few months.  How well he pitched simply cannot be understated.  And I'm saying that as someone who was totally fed up with the guy.  On top of that, he has mind-boggling minor league numbers that's he maintained for at least 2 seasons now.  Now just good, INCREDIBLE.  The Zito jr. comparisons are seeming a lot more realistic now and there's not a team in the league that wouldn't want him.  Hell, there was big demand for him even going into this season.  That said, however, I don't think the Cubs could spin him as part of a deal directly with the Yanks for ARod unless the Yankees shell out for Daisuke.  The Hill becomes even more interesting since he's so cheap.Fair enough on Hill, although he did have a couple of not-so-great starts over the last two months.  I still don't think he makes a solid centerpiece for an A-Rod deal.  I believe he's 26 or 27, so he's not as young as many people might think. And you can't discount Prior.  He has baggage, but packaged right a ton of teams would still want him.  This is the only season he's had sustained troubles due to "natural" injuries...the rest of the DL stints were due to freak accidents.  And, like Hill, he's still VERY young and has huge upside.But unlike Hill, he isn't cheap.  I believe he made over $3.5 million this season, which will go up to probably $5 or so next year, and then escalate very quickly if he has even a decent season. He could be sniffing $10 million per season by 2008 if he's healthy.  That's a lot of money for a guy that gets hurt a lot.<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">[/quote] And very strong inidcations and rumors have supposedly emerged from the Marlins that they'll deal Willis for the right players.  It's Cabrera that they haven't even hinted at trading.Interesting.  I hadn't heard that, but I'm curious to know what they want in return.  My guess is they're looking for a younger, cheaper Dontrelle.

TheMojoPin

10-17-2006, 10:44 AM

crb1 wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Hill didn't just "pull together a few wins down the stretch."  He absolutely dominated the last few months.  How well he pitched simply cannot be understated.  And I'm saying that as someone who was totally fed up with the guy.  On top of that, he has mind-boggling minor league numbers that's he maintained for at least 2 seasons now.  Now just good, INCREDIBLE.  The Zito jr. comparisons are seeming a lot more realistic now and there's not a team in the league that wouldn't want him.  Hell, there was big demand for him even going into this season.  That said, however, I don't think the Cubs could spin him as part of a deal directly with the Yanks for ARod unless the Yankees shell out for Daisuke.  The Hill becomes even more interesting since he's so cheap.Fair enough on Hill, although he did have a couple of not-so-great starts over the last two months.  I still don't think he makes a solid centerpiece for an A-Rod deal.  I believe he's 26 or 27, so he's not as young as many people might think.That's a heckuva lot younger than most of the dinosaurs starting for the Yanks. And you can't discount Prior.  He has baggage, but packaged right a ton of teams would still want him.  This is the only season he's had sustained troubles due to "natural" injuries...the rest of the DL stints were due to freak accidents.  And, like Hill, he's still VERY young and has huge upside.But unlike Hill, he isn't cheap.  I believe he made over $3.5 million this season, which will go up to probably $5 or so next year, and then escalate very quickly if he has even a decent season. He could be sniffing $10 million per season by 2008 if he's healthy.  That's a lot of money for a guy that gets hurt a lot.[/quote]He's still cheaper than ARod and potentially fills a lot more needs that the Yanks have right now, too.  He's going to get hurt a lot if he keeps taking line drives and baserunners off of himself.  Like I said, this is the only season where he's been out for serious time for anything other than a freak accident.<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">[/quote] And very strong inidcations and rumors have supposedly emerged from the Marlins that they'll deal Willis for the right players.  It's Cabrera that they haven't even hinted at trading.Interesting.  I hadn't heard that, but I'm curious to know what they want in return.  My guess is they're looking for a younger, cheaper Dontrelle.[/quote]Not necessarily another Dontrelle per se (I still think he's a series of DL stints waiting to happen with his delivery), but yeah, probably at least 2-3 top of the line pitching prospects, something the Cubs actually have a few of right now.

crb1

10-17-2006, 01:40 PM

TheMojoPin wrote:  That's a heckuva lot younger than most of the dinosaurs starting for the Yanks.True.  Don't get me wrong.  I think Hill has the potential  to be a quality starter, but I think there are enough concerns about him to negate him being the centerpiece of the A-Rod trade.  <blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">  He's still cheaper than ARod and potentially fills a lot more needs that the Yanks have right now, too.  He's going to get hurt a lot if he keeps taking line drives and baserunners off of himself.  Like I said, this is the only season where he's been out for serious time for anything other than a freak accident.[/quote]<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">[/quote]Yeah, but A-Rod has a pretty clean injury history.  Prior can dominate when he's healthy, but he hasn't been healthy.  I know they're freak injuries, but that doesn't change the fact that he keeps getting hurt and it's going to scare people away, especially when you consider that he's going to get much more expensive in the next couple of years.  Prior is a tough call because he has a tremendous upside and downside.  Are there any concerns among Cubs fans that Baker destroyed him?  I know he's never had the best rep with young pitchers.  <blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px"> Not necessarily another Dontrelle per se (I still think he's a series of DL stints waiting to happen with his delivery), but yeah, probably at least 2-3 top of the line pitching prospects, something the Cubs actually have a few of right now.[/quote]<blockquote /><blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">[/quote]The thing with Dontrelle is he is still VERY young.  I think he's 24 or 25, and he has a decent history behind him already, so they know what to expect from him.  I think the Marlins should get a brain and spend the money to keep him.  I take him over Cabrera, since great pitchers are harder to find than hitters (and because Cabrera looks more and more like Bartolo Colon every time I see him).

Kevin

10-17-2006, 01:49 PM

Other tha Zambrano who is a bull, i do not want ANYMORE fucking NL pitchers, they fucking wet the Bed everytime in the AL. Look at Beckett Pavano Burnett Clement and many more.

johnniewalker

10-17-2006, 01:52 PM

I don't like Zambrano or Aramis in any deal for A-rod.  He's 31, and a swap even straight up doesn't make any sense.  I'd go along Mojo's route with at best some prospects.   He's damaged 31 year old goods your not going to get that Soriano for A-rod deal like you would have 3 years ago.

johnniewalker

10-17-2006, 01:57 PM

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k230/homer3889/full.jpg Smile for you school photo Lou.  What a terrible picture.

Kevin

10-17-2006, 02:02 PM

johnniewalker wrote: I don't like Zambrano or Aramis in any deal for A-rod.  He's 31, and a swap even straight up doesn't make any sense.  I'd go along Mojo's route with at best some prospects.   He's damaged 31 year old goods your not going to get that Soriano for A-rod deal like you would have 3 years ago. Than keep him. i do not want to give him away for some iffs.

TheMojoPin

10-17-2006, 06:17 PM

Some "if's?"  Look, I understand where you're coming from, but this notion of only buying proven stars hasn't worked for the Yankees this century.  How many more times is that mentality going to get pounded into the ground?  It's not like without ARod the Yankees are suddenly without a derth of superstars.  A guy like him would net a goldmine of fantastic prospects and young players with either some success or huge potential and...wait for it...THEY'D BE CHEAP.  You use the money saved there to beef up with your beloved "proven stars" elsewhere.  You could still win now spending right with the saved money AND win later by trading ARod and netting 3-4 top tier prospects.  This idea of relying only on "proven stars" year after year has to be getting old...why not do that AND have a homegrown backup plan that doesn't cost the national income of a 3rd world country?  Moneyball is a brilliant fucking book.That said, I don't think the Yankees wise up and do this.  If ARod ends up on the Cubs, it's because of a multi-team deal, period.  There's no way this happens as a direct trade only between the 2 teams.

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Bulldogcakes

10-18-2006, 02:48 AM

johnniewalker wrote: I don't like Zambrano or Aramis in any deal for A-rod. He's 31, and a swap even straight up doesn't make any sense. I'd go along Mojo's route with at best some prospects. He's damaged 31 year old goods your not going to get that Soriano for A-rod deal like you would have 3 years ago.  Here's the BIG difference between the Soriano for A-Rod deal and this time. The Yanks DONT HAVE TO MOVE HIM. Cashman has already turned down an offer from the White Sox, and is saying he's not available. His Texas contract was totally unaffordable, and A-Rod had quietly demanded a trade. The Rangers were in a weak position. Only a few teams would consider him, and even when the Red Sox did make a deal which involved deferred money, the union shot it down. So the Yanks were the last available suitor, they  asked him to change position and got him for Soriano straight up with Texas eating about 1/3 of the deal. None of that applies here. He is now paid at (maybe slightly below, considering recent signings) market rate, still producing his #s. Someone will need to knock Cashmans socks off to get A-Rod, plus get A-Rod to waive his no trade. Which is why I dont think anything will happen until January. If at all.    <blockquote />

Bulldogcakes

10-18-2006, 02:54 AM

<a target="_blank" href="http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcwMDYzMTgmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2">
Sheff's status a sticky issue</a>If the Yankees decline to pick up the $13 million option on Gary
Sheffield's contract, one consequence is that the slugger easily could
wind up in the Red Sox' lineup.
With Manny Ramirez trade talks sure to intensify, Sheffield could
slot behind David Ortiz if Boston deals Ramirez -- with the Angels,
Mets, Phillies and White Sox as potential suitors.But if Ramirez goes to the Angels, that would seem to negate Anaheim
as a possible landing spot for Alex Rodriguez. The Yankees will begin
organizational discussions shortly, and A-Rod's future in pinstripes
will be on the agenda.
Rodriguez owns a full no-trade clause. The Yankees already have
declined to engage in one trade offer for A-Rod, reportedly from the
White Sox.<a target="_blank" href="http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcwMDYzMTgmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2"></a>  Another reason to do the sign and trade deal. Although I dont think Manny and Scoscia would get along well. Plus Manny's got a blanket no-trade (10/5 guy) too. But I'm sure the Red Sox will shop him this year, like every other.

HBox

10-19-2006, 08:12 PM

They could show raw, uncensored nature footage of actual Tigers mauling and eating a flock of actual Cardinals with blood spewing all over and shredded organs flying all over the place and it would still be a more pleasant sight than this World Series will be. Anything less than a sweep for Detroit has to be disappointing.That being said, watch the Cards win.

Doctor Z

10-19-2006, 08:23 PM

And so... The two teams in the 2006 World Series are teams that BLEW or ALMOST BLEW massive leads in their division. So much for "carrying momentum" into the post-season... I hate baseball.
The Tigers squandered a 10.5 game lead in the last month and dropped their division to the Twins, and the Cardinals came 1 loss away from doing the same in the NL Central. DOES ANYBODY HEAR SOMETHING BEEPING?<IMG SRC="http://www2.worksafebc.com/i/posters/2004/images/ha0416_garbage.jpg">

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Doctor Z

10-19-2006, 08:26 PM

Also, I am rooting for the Tigers to sweep... because I want to be able to say that the Yankees were the last team to beat Detroit in 2006.Hey, it would provide me with a little bit of solace.

Kevin

10-19-2006, 08:27 PM

Its funny that the two teams that looked the worst coming into the playoffs are in the WS.

Doctor Z

10-19-2006, 08:29 PM

Good point.

FezPaul

10-19-2006, 08:33 PM

johnniewalker wrote: <img src="http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k230/homer3889/full.jpg" border="0" /> Smile for you school photo Lou.  What a terrible picture. Seriously, a guy in a Cubs uniform wearing a World Series Ring. Has to be a Photoshop.

johnniewalker

10-19-2006, 08:41 PM

Kevin wrote: Its funny that the two teams that looked the worst coming into the playoffs are in the WS. We could have had a west coast east coast battle, or a subway series instead a midwest  battle royale.

Doctor Z

10-19-2006, 09:16 PM

I'm listening to WFAN and Joe Benigno sounds like he's gonna kill himself.

A.J.

10-20-2006, 07:05 AM

A rematch of the 1934 World Series!

Kevin

10-20-2006, 09:12 AM

* class="pagetitle"> <h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2632636" target="_self">Report: MLB, union closing in on new labor deal</a></h1><div /><div>Major League Baseball and the players union are close to an agreement on a new labor contract and are hoping to have a deal in place by this weekend, The New York Times reported on its Web site Thursday night, citing an unidentified person with knowledge of the negotiations.</div>

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cougarjake13

10-20-2006, 11:21 AM

A.J. wrote: A rematch of the 1934 World Series!and 1968 so this one comes four years late

A.J.

10-20-2006, 11:26 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: A.J. wrote: A rematch of the 1934 World Series!and 1968 so this one comes four years lateI'm slipping in my old age.

cougarjake13

10-20-2006, 11:41 AM

A.J. wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: A.J. wrote: A rematch of the 1934 World Series!and 1968 so this one comes four years lateI'm slipping in my old age.i only knew b/c i heard it during the telecast and looked it up

crb1

10-20-2006, 11:57 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: A.J. wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: A.J. wrote: A rematch of the 1934 World Series!and 1968 so this one comes four years lateI'm slipping in my old age.i only knew b/c i heard it during the telecast and looked it upTwo great pitchers in the Series that year too. Bob Gibson (StL) and his 1.12 ERA and something like 12 or 13 shutouts, and Denny McClain and his 31 wins (which he's almost matched in jail terms).

cougarjake13

10-20-2006, 12:02 PM

now i'll be rooting for the tigers, hopefully to sweep the crads asses like they were 2 years ago against the red sawx

Bama

10-20-2006, 12:20 PM

No NY teams = good World Series Go Tigers!

Kevin

10-20-2006, 12:24 PM

Bama wrote: No NY teams = good World Series Go Tigers!Too bad we did not get to see your Braves lose another World Series this year<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" />

Bama

10-20-2006, 12:31 PM

The Braves haven't lost a World Series in 7 years. I know a team that has lost two since then. :) 1995 was so damn long ago. :(

Bulldogcakes

10-20-2006, 03:50 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: And so... The two teams in the 2006 World Series are teams that BLEW or ALMOST BLEW massive leads in their division. So much for "carrying momentum" into the post-season... I hate baseball. 
The Tigers squandered a 10.5 game lead in the last month and dropped their division to the Twins, and the Cardinals came 1 loss away from doing the same in the NL Central. Momentum is. . . .?THat applies to the playoffs as well. There's nothing different going on here that doesn't happen all season long. A team is playing well and then hits the skids for a week or so. Its just that in the playoffs you notice it more and that its fatal. You win ONE game out of the first 2 (especially on the road) and that whole regular season finish is forgotten about. Remember the Yanks in 2000?    

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Bulldogcakes

10-20-2006, 05:56 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006/news/story?id=2610409" target="_self" title="ESPN's playoff picks">ESPN's playoff picks</a>Funny to look at these now. Some of the best sportwriters in the country, and they all agreed on two things. Nobody picked the Tigers, and nobody picked the Cards. Not even the one or two oddballs they keep around for just these occasions.  <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006/news/story?id=2610409" target="_self" title="ESPN's playoff picks"></a>

Bulldogcakes

10-21-2006, 03:14 AM

Now that just about everybody on this board is out of it, <a href="http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php" target="_self" title="here's a free agent list ">here's a free agent list </a> <a href="http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php" target="_self" title="here's a free agent list "></a>

Kevin

10-21-2006, 10:15 AM

Andy is a Fa. You think the Yanks would think about bringing him back?

johnniewalker

10-21-2006, 10:21 AM

How about a Jeff weaver part deux?

FezPaul

10-21-2006, 10:32 AM

<table border="0"><tr class="faplay"><td><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/48762/currentpage/profile.php?id=170">Luis Gonzalez</a></td><td>Arizona Diamondbacks</td><td>LF</td><td>25-man</td><td>15.032</td><td>Greg Genske, Terry Bross</td><td>39</td><td>M</td></tr></table> He's old and expensive.A perfect fit for the Yankees.Imagine the warm reception he'd get for his first at bat in Yankee Stadium.

Fallon

10-21-2006, 11:18 AM

Sox free agent list is pretty good. Nobody they really need to bring back except Wakefield. Fucking Foulke will probably stay.

Gvac

10-21-2006, 01:05 PM

I just had to post today's "Shoe" comic strip for Mojo. <img border="0" src="http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/uc/20061021/stmsho061021.gif" />

Ryanlucas

10-21-2006, 02:04 PM

i Grew up in Missouri Listening to Jack Buck And Mike Shannon call the games.I am stoked about the Cards going .And i am realistic I just want them to not get swept.Bodog has them 1.5 favorites.Im not holding my breath.

cougarjake13

10-21-2006, 02:08 PM

Kevin wrote: Andy is a Fa. You think the Yanks would think about bringing him back? they have to be stupid not to at least think it, and make an offerwhether or not he would sign, err his wife lets him sign is another story

cougarjake13

10-21-2006, 02:10 PM

johnniewalker wrote: How about a Jeff weaver part deux? no wayhe flopped once and 2 very good outings in the playoffs is not an honest representation of his pitching skillsremember how well he did just before coming to the yanks, he only seems to be very effective for very short periods of timenow if we're talking about his brother then they should try to get him

cougarjake13

10-21-2006, 02:12 PM

FezPaul wrote: <table border="0"><tr class="faplay"><td><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/48762/currentpage/profile.php?id=170">Luis Gonzalez</a></td><td>Arizona Diamondbacks</td><td>LF</td><td>25-man</td><td>15.032</td><td>Greg Genske, Terry Bross</td><td>39</td><td>M</td></tr></table> He's old and expensive.A perfect fit for the Yankees.Imagine the warm reception he'd get for his first at bat in Yankee Stadium.they have enough outfielders so i doubt they'd go after him but hell then signed damon who had a part in yankee playoff destruction, and randy johnson as well, so why not