Osama Bin Laden Promises More Attacks on U.S. [Archive]

Dirtybird12

01-19-2006, 10:17 AM

quote: Seriously.  To Osama, I'm sick of this.  Fucking whatever, dude.  You've had over four years to make a sequel to 9/11, and you've done SQUAT.  Fuck you.  I'm tired of your broken record that we're the infidel and you're gonna make us pay, blah blah blah.  Wake me up when you actually do it.You are fucking Gerardo, you are fucking Diviynls, you're fucking Dexy's Midnight Runners.  A one-hit wonder. Pretty sure Osama doesn't have internet access - So I'm not sure this will reach him. I'd have to disagree with you. To call this man a ONE-HIT wonder is way off base. I believe ( I may be wrong) The 9-11 strike took 5 yrs to plan & carry out. <ul><li>Al-Qaeda has access to the money, training, and equipment it needs to carry out successful terrorist attacks. </li><li>They plan their operations well in advance and have the patience to wait to conduct the attack at the right time, </li><li>Prior to carrying out the operation, Al-Qaeda conducts surveillance of the target, sometimes on multiple occasions, often using nationals of the target they are surveilling to enter the location without suspicion. The results of the surveillance are forwarded to Al-Qaeda HQ as elaborate "ops plans" or "targeting packages" prepared using photographs, CADCAM (computer assisted design/computer assisted mapping) software, and the operative's notes. </li></ul>But I hear ya Tenbats, he does sound like a broken record with the same shit every few months. I wouldn't underestimate this guy tho - we made that problem once before.  I just don't get how we can't find this guy. George Bush HAS to feel like a fucking failure no matter who he kills or captures until he captures of kills this evil doer. I forget where - but I heard ( on FOX News I think) That Osama has visited the United States SINCE 9-11 around the DC area.  Who knows. 

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Dirtybird12

01-19-2006, 10:21 AM

quote:  quote: You are fucking Gerardo  coincidently Gerardo and Osama bolth have the same amount of air time on fox news <a href="http://somesuch.org/"><img src="http://suchsome.somesuch.org/RFBHsigger.jpg" border="0" /></a> number 333 its the way to be  Sheepy, I think he meant MR. Rico Suave:Gerardo is a rap performer, whose macho Latino posturing made him a minor sensation on both the dance and pop scene in 1991 with "Rico Suave" and "We Want the Funk." <img height="299" src="http://www.migentemag.com/gente_images/2004/nov04_images/Music/Rico%20Suave.jpg" width="300" border="0" />  

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01-19-2006, 10:26 AM

quote: <img width="300" height="299" border="0" src="http://www.migentemag.com/gente_images/2004/nov04_images/Music/Rico%20Suave.jpg" /> 

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01-19-2006, 10:29 AM

I doubt very highly that Bin Laden has set foot in the US.I think anybody who even remotely resembles him would be locked away for 100 years.And as far as there being another attacke, while that may be a give, it probably wont have anything to do with, at least directlyt, with Bin Lade but I'm sure he'll take claim for it.If it happens again it'll just be a couple of b*stards that got together to do whatever they do

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JPMNICK

01-19-2006, 10:39 AM

i wonder if they assign %'s to area they think he will hit in the US. i would think washington would have to be the highest, followed closely by NYC.  

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Furtherman

01-19-2006, 10:43 AM

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001 "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." —Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002Which stance will W take on this new message?

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Dirtybird12

01-19-2006, 10:50 AM

I'd say Vegas would be on the list. Who knows - maybe the Superbowl???. Detroit IS right under the Canadian border... I don't know if it will ever be on the same scale as 9-11 but I think it would be where we least expect it.  Can't count Texas or Fla out.  Hit the Bush family states may be in the works - Considering the mexican border is a joke, they could have followers enter down south.

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FUNKMAN

01-19-2006, 11:00 AM

boca and the hamptons

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Furtherman

01-19-2006, 11:04 AM

"It's only a matter of time," the voice said, referring to attacks. "They are in the planning stages, and you will see them in the heart of your land as soon as the planning is complete."In the heart of your land.Could he mean the heartland?  The midwest?  Or it's too obvious.  Another major costal city?

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JPMNICK

01-19-2006, 11:05 AM

quote: boca and the hamptons<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Ippolito" border="0" /> this is not where you want to go on vacation, this is where we think terrorists may attack!

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EliSnow

01-19-2006, 11:06 AM

quote: I'd say Vegas would be on the list. Who knows - maybe the Superbowl???. Detroit IS right under the Canadian border... I don't know if it will ever be on the same scale as 9-11 but I think it would be where we least expect it.  Can't count Texas or Fla out.  Hit the Bush family states may be in the works - Considering the mexican border is a joke, they could have followers enter down south. During the last election, didn't Bin Laden say that they'd target states that voted for Bush?  Not that I take the man at his word, but its the only thing that makes me feel a little safer in NYC.Osama is sounding more and more like Saddam's old public relations guys who said that the American forces would be cut down at the gates of Bagdad.  

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libbyzibby

01-19-2006, 12:58 PM

C'mon, we all know the sequel in never as good as the original (except the Godfather which i doubt Osama saw).  can you see Bush walking up to Osama when he is caught kissing him and saying "Osama, I know it  was you" oh wait I said when Osama was caught by Bush...sorry, silly me Anyway, who can forget these other immortal words of our leader...actually not words, but a picture is worth a thousand words or something right?<img height="367" src="http://web.lemoyne.edu/~hevern/weblog/photos/mission_accomplished.jpg" width="273" border="0" />when looking for that picture, i saw this.....just as accurate, sorry to say and funny<img height="242" src="http://www.newyorkslime.com/osama-mission-accomplished-01.jpg" width="220" border="0" /> And if they do it at the Super Bowl, that would Osama a big HACK as that was done already in "Sum of All Fears" by ripping off Tom Clancy Yeah inretrospect that aircraft landingwas soooooo necessary...stupid than....cant even think of a word now. Ever wonder what they did with that banner...hanging in the Bush bedrom

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FMJeff

01-19-2006, 01:06 PM

i find it funny this audio pops up during the rising criticism of bush's spying tactics...weird coincidence...

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01-19-2006, 01:11 PM

quote: i find it funny this audio pops up during the rising criticism of bush's spying tactics...weird coincidence... you see its all a hoax.the tape showed up before the last election, then they found osama and killed him. they just havent told anyone so they can bring him up when bush is in trouble and then when the mutiny arises theyll say "wait we got him!!!"    <img src="http://footzker.newmail.ru/lohpics/heartagram.jpg" border="0" />

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theseatbelts

01-19-2006, 01:30 PM

I found it funny how similar UBL's rants are to leftist critics of the President.Between assuring us that the Iraq war is lost, the troops morale is dangerously low, American troops are butchers and torturers and Bush lies people die he could be writing press releases for Moveon.org or editorials for the New York Times.What sadly wasn't surprising is that The President is the target of the majority of attacks on a thread about Bin Ladin. 

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angrymissy

01-19-2006, 01:31 PM

pssssst....The Patriot Act is set to expire Feb 3rd.  PERFECT timing.

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FUNKMAN

01-19-2006, 01:32 PM

i wonder if they assign %'s to area they think he will hit in the US. i would think washington would have to be the highest, followed closely by NYCdon't forget Kenilworth

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Bestinshow

01-19-2006, 02:59 PM

"What motivated me to talk are the repeated mistakes made by your President Bush in his comments on the results of the opinion polls (in your country), and which indicated that the majority of you want the withdrawal of the troops from Iraq," the voice said." "But he objected to this desire and said that the withdrawal of troops would give the wrong message to the enemies, and that it's better for us to fight them on their land than for them to fight us on our land." It's nice to see confirmation that the left is giving Bin Laden the extra motivation he needs.That quote was from Bin Laden in the original article before they updated it.<img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today

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FUNKMAN

01-19-2006, 03:13 PM

there will be a hundred different news stations with thousand different analysts on who will all have a different opinion of what the tape means and speculate out the ying yang... it drives me nutscan it be any other way?

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Bestinshow

01-19-2006, 03:28 PM

I think the jets should have hired Bin Laden as their head coach and we could have combined the back of the paper with the front of the paper.

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01-19-2006, 10:53 PM

HBox

01-19-2006, 11:03 PM

It's nice to see confirmation that the left is giving Bin Laden the extra motivation he needs.

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01-19-2006, 11:37 PM

tele7

01-19-2006, 11:45 PM

What leader said "I'm a uniter not a divider"?.  How has that been working out lately?  Just for once, I would like to hear some good news out of this administration. 

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Bulldogcakes

01-20-2006, 02:38 AM

Here's something I've alsways wondered. Does the Bush administration really want to catch Bin Laden? As long as he's out there, the threat is still out there in the minds of the American public. If we catch him, the public will move on and think of terrorism as "yesterdays news" despite the fact that there are any number of lieutenents poised and ready to take his place. So is it good political policy NOT to catch him? And another question, one that Israel has dealt with for years. The more we fight back, the more recruits for Bin Laden. So as long as we keep the war on terror going, the more jihadists we create. And Iraq will always be a symbol of US imperialism as long as it isn't an Islamic republic in these people's eyes, especially as long as we have troops there. Is this war  really winnable? 

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01-20-2006, 04:57 AM

Since I don't have time to respond to Best's main point, let me go for the cheap yuk instead:I think the jets should have hired Bin Laden as their head coach and we could have combined the back of the paper with the front of the paper. His offensive schemes would be one-dimensional - too reliant on the bomb./Wokka wokka/

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EliSnow

01-20-2006, 05:21 AM

quote: His offensive schemes would be one-dimensional - too reliant on the bomb./Wokka wokka/  I think his main problem is his problem to get a play off quickly.  He'd get lots of penalties for delay of game.  And you know he'd have to couch from the booth (decorated of course in the latest cave styles). 

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Death Metal Moe

01-20-2006, 06:00 AM

It's kinda sick how Osama went from being a man to fear to a punchline to jokes again.

Don't forget what this motherfucker can do. I want some "Autopsy Photos" of him on ogrish.com as soon as possible.

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01-20-2006, 06:13 AM

quote:It's kinda sick how Osama went from being a man to fear to a punchline to jokes again.

Don't forget what this motherfucker can do. I want some "Autopsy Photos" of him on ogrish.com as soon as possible. Wouldn't the autopsy photos just be a pile of dirt if we bomb the shit out of where he is? 

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Dirtybird12

01-20-2006, 06:19 AM

Lets face it folks, like it or not - Osama is the real king of all media. This guy fucking sneezes and it makes front page. He releases audio - it's aired worldwide - There isnt a day that goes by that he isnt in the news. The guy has the best press agent in the biz. He's in music videos - there are movies made about him - there are songs written about him - a zillion books about him and his "family" -  I hate to say it, but the United States Government and global media has made this fucknut infamous... They should've kept their mouth shut - about going after him.  They never should've given this guy credit for 9-11,  I stick to my original theory - The US doesn't REALLY want to catch this boogie man. 

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EliSnow

01-20-2006, 06:29 AM

quote: It's kinda sick how Osama went from being a man to fear to a punchline to jokes again. Don't forget what this motherfucker can do. I want some "Autopsy Photos" of him on I'm not forgetting what this guy can and is trying to do, but making fun of the fucker helps deal with such thoughts, at least for me.   I'd like to see this guy strung up too, and I think that Bush's switch in saying that finding this guy is priority no. 1 to essentially saying this guy is insignificant is ridiculous.

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Yerdaddy

01-20-2006, 07:49 AM

quote: "What motivated me to talk are the repeated mistakes made by your President Bush in his comments on the results of the opinion polls (in your country), and which indicated that the majority of you want the withdrawal of the troops from Iraq," the voice said." "But he objected to this desire and said that the withdrawal of troops would give the wrong message to the enemies, and that it's better for us to fight them on their land than for them to fight us on our land." It's nice to see confirmation that the left is giving Bin Laden the extra motivation he needs.That quote was from Bin Laden in the original article before they updated it.<img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today This message was edited by Bestinshow on 1-19-06 @ 7:05 PM Are you moderate conservatives ever going to begin to see a problem with this shit? Will you wait until the extremist crazies on your side start shooting liberals at random like abortion doctors before you step in and inject some sanity into the public debate? I can try all my fucking life to argue facts and evidence and the logical falacies involved in this kind of ideological hate-speech but it means nothing because so much the far right, like this guy, have come to feel that I, and people who don't dogmaticly share their ideology, are traitors and are inherently evil and whose opinions are not to be respected ever, but it will mean nothing until YOU conservatives step in and do what's right. This kind of shit has gone on within any political ideology since the beginning of politics. I would never deny that. But look at what is happening to your politcal culture right now: it's one-way communication that's driven by profit and what makes the most money is increasingly becoming the most extremist views. Ann Coulter, author of two best-sellers entitled "Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism " and "Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right", was on the cover of TIME Magazine a few months ago. BEST-SELLERS! So much of conservatism can't even see the blatant hypocracy in these two titles, much less the danger of books accusing whole segments of society of being enemies of the country being annual best-sellers on the NYT Best-Seller list, and the author of such books becomming so mainstream that she's on the cover of TIME. The "marketplace of ideas" in America is no longer an open debate anymore because whole sectors of industries of conservative ideology devote all or most of their time not arguing core conservative principles or engaging in open debate with the real opinions of liberal counterparts, but instead to simply trying to sew hatred and mistrust of the other side - and reaping gobs of cash in the process. The internet once offered the hope that we could engage each other in dialogue without having to rely on pundits to "represent" our side in phony TV debate shows anymore. It WAS an opportunity. But what have we done with that opportunity? We've created liberal and conservative messageboards where we spew hatred about each other 24 hours a day; and when we do come together in cyberspace it's almost pure venemous insults that sew nothing but division. (I've stayed on this board partly because it has managed, most of the time, to have a majority of honest civil debate in between the open and veiled attacks on the other.) On Freep they actually pool their resources to try to track down liberals they deem a threat and destroy their lives; they share the contact information of commanding officers of servicemen who speak against the war in order to get them dihonorably discharged, for exam

FUNKMAN

01-20-2006, 08:18 AM

I can feel your pain Yerdaddy... I have to admit i don't spend much if any time digging into politics, the people, the history, and the issues. I'm one of those lazy Americans who forms opinions on what i see on the news, internet news sites, newspapers, and message boards, etc. I mainly look at how certain things affect my life and sometimes the lives of other people, foreign or American. Whether things seem fair or not regardless of the situation...

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Bestinshow

01-20-2006, 10:18 AM

"Are you moderate conservatives ever going to begin to see a problem with this shit? Will you wait until the extremist crazies on your side start shooting liberals at random like abortion doctors before you step in and inject some sanity into the public debate? I can try all my fucking life to argue facts and evidence and the logical falacies involved in this kind of ideological hate-speech but it means nothing because so much the far right,like this guy, have come to feel that I, and people who don't dogmaticly share their ideology, are traitors and are inherently evil and whose opinions are not to be respected ever, but it will mean nothing until YOU conservatives step in and do what's right. "Wow, someone took a little too many paranoid pills today. And anybody who is to the right of middle, has become the extreme right, or extreme crazies, because of course, we arent open minded and flexible enough, to agree with liberals. Obviously if we find their thinking dangerous and detremental, its because we are dangerous, fascist, brutal unfeeling ditto heads who can't form our own ideas. Because if we were open minded, flexible and clearminded with our thoughts, we would agree with the liberals. Its funny how all the march in step liberals, with their hatred of labels, love to call us dittoheads as they throw at cliches and labels like candy. My new favorite is how the Republicans are a culture of corruption.And yes, I do think its dangerous that liberals want to weaken our stance, while our enemies admittedly line up against us. I also find it curious that a vast majority of the military, the only people that really know whats going on, line up behind the war and the president. Who are you to decide what stepping in and doing whats right means? Oh right, only you guys have independent thought. If we don't agree with you of whats right and wrong, its because we don't allow you your own opinions.My opinions are based on what i think is right. Last I checked, I havent shot any liberals or abortion doctors. And my post was a direct quote from Bin laden Laden himself, saying the resistance from the antiwar people motivated him to speak. IN my opinion, i find this dangerous and detrimental to what is occurring over there. But since you don't agree, that means I don't allow you your opinion. And you talk about respecting opinions as if you respect the opinions of the extreme crazies and their hate-speech. To me , I think you have the hatred a little backwards.

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01-20-2006, 12:38 PM

"it's one-way communication that's driven by profit and what makes the most money is increasingly becoming the most extremist views. Ann Coulter, author of two best-sellers entitled "Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism " and "Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right", was on the cover of TIME Magazine a few months ago. BEST-SELLERS! So much of conservatism can't even see the blatant hypocracy in these two titles, much less the danger of books accusing whole segments of society of being enemies of the country being annual best-sellers on the NYT Best-Seller list, and the author of such books becomming so mainstream that she's on the cover of TIME. "Unlike the factual,illuminating and of course non-exploitative liberals like Al Franken and Michael Moore. They could never be guilty of such allegations.

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01-20-2006, 12:47 PM

And yes, I do think its dangerous that liberals want to weaken our stance, while our enemies admittedly line up against us.

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01-20-2006, 01:19 PM

"Pacificst leftists are pussies and they make us look weak." Enough already. We get it. We're fags and pussies and you're all strong gun-toting awesome men who will rule the world. Enough already."You are replying to my post yet I have never said these things. The main difference is while we would all love for the war to be over, it is impossible to bring the troops home now without everything imploding. This is regardless of whether you were for or against the war in the first place. Yet there are still people screaming today that we should pull our troops now. We can't. So yelling that our troops should go home now does nothing but show that we are a divided country. And enough of the gun toting he-man bullshit.And on the subject of enough already,(Not to you Jeff, to the other people with their cerebral wit) obviously if i have a conservative view point, its going to jibe with Fox news. Wow, you guys figured out they are conservative. But I can't have an opinion that is the same as theirs because that would make me stupid. The only way I can be right is if I have the intelligent liberal view point. Yet, all I hear is how conservatives don't respect differing opinion.Gee, I guess you guys must watch CNN.<img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today

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01-20-2006, 01:26 PM

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EliSnow

01-20-2006, 01:30 PM

quote: "Pacificst leftists are pussies and they make us look weak." Enough already. We get it. We're fags and pussies and you're all strong gun-toting awesome men who will rule the world. Enough already."You are replying to my post yet I have never said these things. The main difference is while we would all love for the war to be over, it is impossible to bring the troops home now without everything imploding. This is regardless of whether you were for or against the war in the first place. Yet there are still people screaming today that we should pull our troops now. We can't. So yelling that our troops should go home now does nothing but show that we are a divided country.The big fault in your logic is that it's not just "liberals" who want the troops home.  Indeed, a lot of people who are clamoring for it now are people who were for the war in the first place and would could consider themselves conservatives.  I know of a number of people who have this view.  It does infuriate me that they are this way, not because they want the troops home, but because they supported the invasion without consideration of the likely consequences and what would be needed to ensure that we weren't leaving the area worse for the US than when we went it.  They thought that the war would be over soon, and that this operation wouldn't take a long term presence and sacrifice. What they didn't realize is that we couldn't just overthrow Saddam becuase once we did we created a vaccuum in leadership that even worse people would rush to fill.  And in  order to stop that, we'd have to help form a new government and protect that government.  This all would take a longer time than I think most people were prepared to do. I don't think Bush and Co. have helped this at all, by declaring "mission accomplished" just because we were able to invade successfully.  The mission is just the overthrow of Saddam.  That was the easy part.  The hardest part of the mission is making sure that we leave Iraq in a position to be stable and friendly (or at least not hostile) to the US.  <img src="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bkemper/Snow1.jpg" border="0" /> Formerly MrTerrific

This message was edited by EliSnow on 1-20-06 @ 5:34 PM

samnyc

01-20-2006, 01:37 PM

Maybe an elimination chamber match can help to put an end to this feud once and for all?

Bestinshow

01-20-2006, 01:38 PM

Im not going to rehash the whole for/against Iraq war thing again but you have to be naive if you think that the guys we are fighting in Iraq right now would be shoemakers or bankers or lawyers if we weren't there. If we weren't fighting them there, we would be fighting them somewhere else. They are extremist insurgents and were born and bred to be nothing else. And they are part of a movement that started way before the Iraq war, and has more to do with our support of Israel than anything else.

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01-20-2006, 01:41 PM

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Bestinshow

01-20-2006, 01:42 PM

"Maybe an elimination chamber match can help to put an end to this feud once and for all? "Loser gets their head shaved.

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Bestinshow

01-20-2006, 01:46 PM

Somehow I don't thing I'd mind as much being verbally attacked by owls. I think its that whole animal connection thing.<img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today

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01-20-2006, 01:49 PM

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EliSnow

01-20-2006, 01:51 PM

quote:  Im not going to rehash the whole for/against Iraq war thing again but you have to be naive if you think that the guys we are fighting in Iraq right now would be shoemakers or bankers or lawyers if we weren't there. If we weren't fighting them there, we would be fighting them somewhere else. They are extremist insurgents and were born and bred to be nothing else. And they are part of a movement that started way before the Iraq war, and has more to do with our support of Israel than anything else.  I'm not understanding your point.  Many of the insurgents are that way, and for the very reasons you state, people should have realized that by invading Iraq, these insurgents would be streaming into Iraq to get the chance to take on the U.S.   People should have also realized that unless a stable and friendly government was left in place, these insurgents make Iraq into the next Iran or Taliban Afghanistan.   And the mission to leave a stable and friendly government is not going to happen in two years; it's going to take awhile.  I don't think that most people did not realize what this mission would require what it is requiring.  Also, as the argument that we have to take these people on where they came from, that's what we went to Afghanistan for.   We didn't need to go to Iraq to take on these people.  <img src="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bkemper/Snow1.jpg" border="0" /> Formerly MrTerrific

This message was edited by EliSnow on 1-20-06 @ 5:52 PM

Bestinshow

01-20-2006, 01:56 PM

That would be true if they were only in afghanistan. We also didn't go to Iraq to take on these people. (Obviously adnaseum that is a different subject)They came to Iraq to take us on. And they were going to do that somewhere, whether it was Iraq, or afghanistan, or kuwait, or jordan or saudi arabia or new jersey. They were going to hit us whereever we have people.<img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today

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EliSnow

01-20-2006, 02:00 PM

In the end, my point is about whether we should have invaded or not (although I don't think we should have).  My points are that many of the people who are seeking pulling out now are those who originally were for the invasion, and didn't realize the commitment needed to accomplish what would be needed to be done if we invaded. 

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Bestinshow

01-20-2006, 02:01 PM

well if they didn't, they were pretty dumb.

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EliSnow

01-20-2006, 02:04 PM

quote: That would be true if they were only in afghanistan. We also didn't go to Iraq to take on these people. They came to Iraq to take us on. And they were going to do that somewhere, whether it was Iraq, or afghanistan, or kuwait, or jordan or saudi arabia or new jersey. They were going to hit us whereever we have people.I agree with you there.  My point is that if you are arguing that we needed to go to Iraq to bring the fight to another place than our homeland, then invading Afghanistan would be enough, especially since the organization directly behind the attacks was centered in Afghanistan.  

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EliSnow

01-20-2006, 02:08 PM

quote:  well if they didn't, they were pretty dumb.  I think so, but the American public haven't always been smart when clamoring for war, such as in the Spanish-American War.  <img src="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bkemper/Snow1.jpg" border="0" /> Formerly MrTerrific

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Bestinshow

01-20-2006, 02:10 PM

I'm not saying we needed to go to iraq to fight them. Im saying its incidental where it is, because we would probably be suffering the same casualties somewhere else, even if we weren't there. The reason we attacked in the first place is one discussion. This is a whole different war now. One that couldn't be avoided and would have been fought somewhere else if we werent there.

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angrymissy

01-20-2006, 02:27 PM

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EliSnow

01-20-2006, 02:28 PM

quote: I'm not saying we needed to go to iraq to fight them. Im saying its incidental where it is, because we would probably be suffering the same casualties somewhere else, even if we weren't there. The reason we attacked in the first place is one discussion. This is a whole different war now. One that couldn't be avoided and would have been fought somewhere else if we werent there.  While I don't think you can separate the two discussions you mention, in the end, my point is this.  Claiming that liberals are the ones pulling for leaving Iraq is not correct.  It's not just liberals.  And the problem that I think Yerdaddy was having was that our society has gotten to the point where the label of your political beliefs as gotten to be insults.  And you seemed to be doing the same.  I hear it all the time:  calling someone a liberal is an insult (having in-laws be somewhat close-minded in their political beliefs can do that).  And I know it happens on both sides, but whoever does it, its ridiculous.  People forget that equally smart people can have differing political views, and different ideas as to how to solve complex problems.  Yet, you don't hear that when you hear politicos talking.  You hear how liberals are pussies who just want to roll over, and conservatives are power-hungry war-mongers.  And Osama is trying to play off this with his claims about how states which vote for Bush will be attacked and those against won't be or his statements.  He points to the divisions in our society as a way to try to increase our divisions.  What we have to do is ignore those attempts.

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01-20-2006, 02:28 PM

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Bestinshow

01-20-2006, 02:36 PM

Funny how you can't distinguish between liberal and conservative points of view on this board because thats a label and insulting. But its perfectly all right for someone to call you a liar. But than again if its just the owl saying it I guess its okay because I don't get as offended by animals as by humans. <img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today

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Bestinshow

01-20-2006, 02:39 PM

Personally I prefer we change this thread to pictures of owls anyway.  Now I remember why I stopped posting here.I'm done beating a dead horse. You guys have fun.<img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today

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HBox

01-20-2006, 02:49 PM

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EliSnow

01-20-2006, 03:07 PM

quote: Funny how you can't distinguish between liberal and conservative points of view on this board because thats a label and insulting. But its perfectly all right for someone to call you a liar. But than again if its just the owl saying it I guess its okay because I don't get as offended by animals as by humans. I don't think that calling someone necessariliy a liberal or a conservative is an insult.  For instance, calling Ron a liberal is not a insult.  My problem is with basically having a negative view of someone because they are a liberal (i.e, I thought Ron was a nice guy, but then I heard he was a liberal).  It's pretty close-minded to think someone is somehow less just because his political beliefs lean one way or the other. 

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01-20-2006, 03:18 PM

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TheMojoPin

01-20-2006, 03:20 PM

quote: Personally I prefer we change this thread to pictures of owls anyway.  Now I remember why I stopped posting here.I'm done beating a dead horse. You guys have fun.<img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today This message was edited by Bestinshow on 1-20-06 @ 6:42 PM <img height="258" src="http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/user_images/pics/1/6485000/ngbbs432ce50aaefc7.jpg" width="400" border="0" /> 

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Bulldogcakes

01-20-2006, 04:11 PM

Enough of the owls. I say we make this thread about something else. Like. . . . <img width="500" height="341" border="0" src="http://images.foundrymusic.com/JPEG/boxer_ass.jpg" /> A DOG'S ASS! 

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01-20-2006, 04:14 PM

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01-20-2006, 04:18 PM

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EliSnow

01-20-2006, 04:20 PM

The owls are great.  Completely random as all hell, but great.

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spoon

01-20-2006, 04:29 PM

Yerdaddy is once again describing my thoughts on this whole situation.  It should be mentioned that we as a people have turned away from a society of ideas, debate, and innovation and have been swept away by corporate greed and the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about after WWII.  Believe it or not, war isn't the answer for every, no check that, most situations.  And most Dems right now don't believe we should just drop out of Iraq, but rather bring in the UN and other nations to help solidify and strenghten the nation.  Oh my god I must be a commie huh?  It's the greed of our corps like Halliburton and Bechtel, along with those politicians making huge financial gains in terms of kickbacks and contributions that truly won't allow this to happen.  Don't be so naive to believe the reasons/excuses the Bush admin puts out there.  If we really wanted this country to get on its feet, why couldn't we use more of their own work force to drive the trucks and supplies across the country as opposed to US contractors who get payed insane rates.  Ironic too since these same companies can't seem to pay workers a decent wage in the US any longer and NEED the Mexican and lower cost workers.  The sad thing is that with the little we've actually done in Iraq probably trumps what has been accomplished here at home in terms of building schools, infrastructure, hospitals and the like.  Under Bush the rich get tax cuts, the middle class and poor get programs cut, and due to privatization and the philosophy of the extreme right, profits come before people.  How else can Bush claim the economic year of 2005 was great when we lost jobs, those that were created lowered our standard of living for the 5th straight year, salaries aren't even keeping up with inflation but instead decreasing, countless high level jobs are going over seas, big corporations barely pay taxes but claim US subsidies and the Bush admin made this process easier for them!  Simple, he based it on corporate profit.  So how many of you out there see these corporations helping you out?  Sure they donated some money, my company as well, to the huricane victims, but this is where the government should have stepped up and didn't.  I could go on and on, but wtf?  I like to debate the issues and can't claim to be as informed as some of you out there.  But how do so many middle-class people get convinced to vote against their own best interest?  Case and point, WV miners and their families.  They were worried that the Bush campaign was right and if Kerry was elected they would lose their jobs since the mines wouldn't be able to function.  Yet now they aren't protected as they should be and the person in charge of mine safety used to lobby for the mining industry and is tied to ownership in multiple ways!!  How the fuck can this be legal?  I just don't get it people.  It's like watching a loved one (the United States) die a slow death in a nursing home.  We need a huge change yesterday!  <img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> It's like a koala bear crapped a rainbow in my brain!

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01-20-2006, 04:31 PM

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01-20-2006, 06:03 PM

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01-20-2006, 07:40 PM

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01-20-2006, 07:44 PM

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Yerdaddy

01-21-2006, 01:46 AM

[quote]"Are you moderate conservatives ever going to begin to see a problem with this shit? Will you wait until the extremist crazies on your side start shooting liberals at random like abortion doctors before you step in and inject some sanity into the public debate? I can try all my fucking life to argue facts and evidence and the logical falacies involved in this kind of ideological hate-speech but it means nothing because so much the far right,like this guy, have come to feel that I, and people who don't dogmaticly share their ideology, are traitors and are inherently evil and whose opinions are not to be respected ever, but it will mean nothing until YOU conservatives step in and do what's right. " Wow, someone took a little too many paranoid pills today. And anybody who is to the right of middle, has become the extreme right, or extreme crazies, because of course, we arent open minded and flexible enough, to agree with liberals. Obviously if we find their thinking dangerous and detremental, its because we are dangerous, fascist, brutal unfeeling ditto heads who can't form our own ideas. Because if we were open minded, flexible and clearminded with our thoughts, we would agree with the liberals. Its funny how all the march in step liberals, with their hatred of labels, love to call us dittoheads as they throw at cliches and labels like candy. My new favorite is how the Republicans are a culture of corruption.And yes, I do think its dangerous that liberals want to weaken our stance, while our enemies admittedly line up against us. I also find it curious that a vast majority of the military, the only people that really know whats going on, line up behind the war and the president. Who are you to decide what stepping in and doing whats right means? Oh right, only you guys have independent thought. If we don't agree with you of whats right and wrong, its because we don't allow you your own opinions.My opinions are based on what i think is right. Last I checked, I havent shot any liberals or abortion doctors. And my post was a direct quote from Bin laden Laden himself, saying the resistance from the antiwar people motivated him to speak. IN my opinion, i find this dangerous and detrimental to what is occurring over there. But since you don't agree, that means I don't allow you your opinion. And you talk about respecting opinions as if you respect the opinions of the extreme crazies and their hate-speech. To me , I think you have the hatred a little backwards.<img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> Thank you again for making my point. Because you didn't want to have an honest discussion in the first place you've cherry-picked my post in order to misrepresent what I said, forming a straw man that you can then attack. I clearly differentiated between conservatives of principle who debate issues honestly because they have a common respect for others' opinions and understand that honest debate is essential for understanding truth and maintaining a healthy democracy, and those, like you, who debate to silence and demonize nonconformers to your political orthodoxy. It should be painfully obvious to anyone that the accusation you made that liberals and opponents of the war motivate Bin Laden's actions could be just as easily used to say that the war in Iraq itself motivates him because his stated primary motivation for every terrorist attack that he's conducted is US military presence on Muslim lands; so an increased presence inspires him. That would be a more plausible point to make simply because it's been made by US military generals and Bush administration officials. But your insterest clearly isn't in understanding the best policies our country should take to win the war on terrori

Dirtybird12

01-21-2006, 06:18 AM

Does every post this guy make have to be a novel? 3 lines in and im snoring. Please keep in mind next time posting the KISS rule.  Keep It Simple Stupid -  Learn to edit. Are you not able to get your point across in one or two lines? or one or two  perrygraphs even? Damn, Im sure you have a lot of very,very important things to say - but I'm afraid people will start to skip past your novels and miss your deep thoughts on the world. - <a href="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/"><img src="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/sigpics/GEORGE.jpg" border="0" /></a>

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spoon

01-21-2006, 06:40 AM

Oh I guess everyone forgot who we were talking to.  Sorry CF, we'll go back to the cut-and-paste/paint-by-numbers one line answers that you seem to require. It's a fucking political thread, not a comedy pyramid so what do you expect.  Perhaps you should read the posts and make an honest retort, you know, exactly what he longs for like in the past.  Oh wait, you weren't able to get through three fucking paragraphs. 

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Dirtybird12

01-21-2006, 07:22 AM

Spoon did I hit a nerve sweety?   I think the guy's posts are too long and borring am I not allowed to express that without making you cry? And as for YOU talking politics, yeah spoon - Im going to get into a serious political discusion with a grown man who thinks stewie is a fucking genius. ( everyone knows Beavis is more smarter) Go watch pokeman dude and try your best to ignore me. I know it's difficult due to your man-crush, but use the force you fucking dork. use the force!BTW- I said I think yerdaddy has some cool shit to say about politics but I just wish he would edit it down some. It's called an opinion dude. Those tend to come up during political discussions ..maybe you will figure that out when you put your fucking light saber down and turn off the smurfs.  

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Yerdaddy

01-21-2006, 07:38 AM

quote: Does every post this guy make have to be a novel? 3 lines in and im snoring. Please keep in mind next time posting the KISS rule.  Keep It Simple Stupid -  Learn to edit. Are you not able to get your point across in one or two lines? or one or two  perrygraphs even? Damn, Im sure you have a lot of very,very important things to say - but I'm afraid people will start to skip past your novels and miss your deep thoughts on the world. - <a href="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/"><img src="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/sigpics/GEORGE.jpg" border="0" /></a> This message was edited by CircusFreak on 1-21-06 @ 11:23 AM <img height="358" src="http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2062/iseewhatyoudidthere0ku.jpg" width="438" border="0" />My new slogan: "Less boo - more who!" 

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01-21-2006, 07:40 AM

spoon

01-21-2006, 07:43 AM

You go so far off topic constantly bc you never have a fucking point!  What the fuck are you talking about with this cartoon bullshit?  So bc I have Stewie in, now read this carefully, my fucking sig pic I think he's a genius?  It's a fucking sig pic.  So based on my sig pic you infer that I'm a Star Wars geek as well.  You're not discussing an opinion or debating the topic (which is what yerdaddy claims is missing from today's political areana), you're crying bc someone posts too long for your attention span or ability to read.  You haven't added on opinion in here other then the fact that you make crazy assumptions and can't stay on topic.Here, perhaps you can handle this brain buster?  It's more your style and speed.<a href="http://www.beercanbob.com/paint.html">http://www.beercanbob.com/paint.html</a>

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Yosammity

01-21-2006, 07:49 AM

I think the best way to prevent another terrorist attack is to criticise the president.  Maybe even circulate some e-mail with pictures of him, comparing them to pictures of monkeys.  After all, the 9/11 attack was his fault as was the attack on the U.S. Cole.Everyone knows that we are incapable of maintaining a man-hunt for Osama while fighting a war.  That would require doing two things at once and Lord knows we can't do that.  If Clinton could be re-elected everything would be much better.  Osama would shake his hand and say, "I'm sorry.  I was wrong."  Then he would donate all of the bin Laden fortune to the Clinton library.Impeach W!  He mispronounces things and that makes him dangerous!

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01-21-2006, 07:50 AM

John Stewart told me so.

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Dirtybird12

01-21-2006, 08:03 AM

Sorry Skywalker, I don't click cartoon links. " I'm an adult now" ( see TPOH) <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" /> Get off this message board and out of this hardcore political arena you THINK you are a part of- and go out and change the fucking world. Heres a thought Stewie, put the lazer beam down and make a difference in the world instead of playing on your computer and bitching/ crying about shit you don't like or have ANY control over from a computer. At the end of the day, your opinion means nothing and has contributed ZILCH to the world's affairs. Face it Luke, you are powerless - but if it makes you feel "in touch" and smarter to bitch about a world you have no control over - then continue posting novels. I'll save my fingers for more useful things- <img height="270" src="http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/430062/2/istockphoto_430062_middle_finger.jpg" width="187" border="0" />

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spoon

01-21-2006, 08:16 AM

So I assume you think W has been on top of his game with the Iraq War?  Noboby, not one person, made any of the claims you mention even though some are fact. "He mispronounces things and that makes him dangerous!"Yes, he's the leader of the free world, so I would have to say intelligence is a key component (which he clearly lacks).  And can we go one political thread without someone throwing out the Clinton attacks.  It seems as though you are in fact incapable of true debate.  Look at this last post by Yosammity:  its the tired and true rip on liberals/dems with no substance or clear arguments whatsoever.  Should I fire back now with the my pundit is smarter than your pundit and make fun of Rush and Hannity?  No, bc I listen to the all, from both sides and come to my own conclusions.  As for W having some blame in 9/11, he does as do all the leaders of our country that ingnored the warnings and intelligence that is now documented to be out there at the time.  And it does indeed seem as though we can't handle the two things at once.  Especially since the bulk of our resources are concentrated on Iraq, which is now proven to have nothing to do with 9/11 or have any WMDs.  I would venture to say we would have Osama if the Bush admin truly wanted him.  Osama has now become the foreign policy version of abortion for the republicans.  It's sick that they'd use him in this fashion, but I believe they are. 

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Dirtybird12

01-21-2006, 08:18 AM

quote: Everyone knows that we are incapable of maintaining a man-hunt for Osama while fighting a war.  My problem with that excuse is - I believe this is a war that is/was unnecessary.  I think we would have been better off using all that man power to track down the talibanian boogie man. Bush can use the above excuse for failing to kill or capture the man who is reported to have played a major role in the largest terrorist attack on this nation. What the fuck is more important than that? Fake WMDS? OIL? Stargates?Face it folks, Americans voted for a dumb fucking hillbilly who couldn't care less about 9-11 and Osama. He proved that prior to the attacks when he ignored information leading up to it.  He's proving it now by killing innocent people in Iraq instead of the true "evil doers". <a href="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/"><img src="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/sigpics/GEORGE.jpg" border="0" /></a> LOL - nice try kid. Try a bigger banner.

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spoon

01-21-2006, 08:25 AM

quote: Sorry Skywalker, I don't click cartoon links. " I'm an adult now" ( see TPOH) <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" /> Get off this message board and out of this hardcore political arena you THINK you are a part of- and go out and change the fucking world. Heres a thought Stewie, put the lazer beam down and make a difference in the world instead of playing on your computer and bitching/ crying about shit you don't like or have ANY control over from a computer. At the end of the day, your opinion means nothing and has contributed ZILCH to the world's affairs. Face it Luke, you are powerless - but if it makes you feel "in touch" and smarter to bitch about a world you have no control over - then continue posting novels. I'll save my fingers for more useful things- <a href="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/"><img src="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/sigpics/GEORGE.jpg" border="0" /></a>LOL - nice try kid. Try a bigger banner. Wow, you really are an asshole huh?  For someone who doesn't watch cartoons you sure know all the ins and outs huh?  I really feel sorry for a guy who has a fake radio show and actually thinks he's mature.  I guess it shows most when the crux of your argument is a pic of a hand flipping the bird.  You can't even stand on your own two feet, let alone make a valid point.  So perhaps you should heed your own advice and part with this thread and all things political.  You haven't added one damn thing here yet.  If anyone should leave it would be you.  But without this board your radio show wouldn't have any listeners at all.  And most of those who do from here only do it once bc it's brutal.  Perhaps I'll make 15 busts on you now based on your sig pics bc I don't have a clue what the hell everyone is talking about.  I should have learned by now.  Bring on the owls!

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angrymissy

01-21-2006, 08:27 AM

But if the moderates don't agree with me on all of this then just bring on the owls.Oh, I agree with you all the way, I think from now on when right wingers start babbling about the Liberal Curse, instead of trying to rationally debate, I am just going to bombard them with O RLY Owls, it will go as far as trying to make a point will.

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spoon

01-21-2006, 08:29 AM

quote: quote: Everyone knows that we are incapable of maintaining a man-hunt for Osama while fighting a war.  My problem with that excuse is - I believe this is a war that is/was unnecessary.  I think we would have been better off using all that man power to track down the talibanian boogie man. Bush can use the above excuse for failing to kill or capture the man who is reported to have played a major role in the largest terrorist attack on this nation. What the fuck is more important than that? Fake WMDS? OIL? Stargates?Face it folks, Americans voted for a dumb fucking hillbilly who couldn't care less about 9-11 and Osama. He proved that prior to the attacks when he ignored information leading up to it.  He's proving it now by killing innocent people in Iraq instead of the true "evil doers". <a href="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/"><img src="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/sigpics/GEORGE.jpg" border="0" /></a> LOL - nice try kid. Try a bigger banner.This message was edited by CircusFreak on 1-21-06 @ 12:20 PM Wait, what?  Who the fuck just posted under CF's name?  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/blink.gif" border="0" />  Was it me, or did he just make a valid point?  Hell, I even agree with him too!  This might be a sign of the apocalypse my friends.  Oh damn, isn't that what W is actually working towards?

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01-21-2006, 08:31 AM

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01-21-2006, 08:56 AM

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01-21-2006, 08:58 AM

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01-21-2006, 09:10 AM

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01-21-2006, 12:18 PM

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01-21-2006, 12:28 PM

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01-21-2006, 12:40 PM

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samnyc

01-21-2006, 12:44 PM

I was hoping for less attacks.

Stankfoot

01-21-2006, 01:42 PM

quote: Everyone knows that we are incapable of maintaining a man-hunt for Osama while fighting a war.  That would require doing two things at once and Lord knows we can't do that.   <address>          Sarcasm aside, I could almost understand people making statements like that when we went   </address><address>          into Iraq. But now that 4 years have passed and Bin Laden is still in the mountains somewhere I     </address><address>          think it would be fair to say that if  we concentrated on Bin Laden and Al Quida instead of invading </address><address>          Iraq we'd have caught this guy by now. And I thought the idea was bringing to justice those       </address><address>          responsible for 9/11.........</address><address /><address /><address>  </address>

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01-21-2006, 04:44 PM

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high fly

01-22-2006, 05:49 AM

quote:quote: Everyone knows that we are incapable of maintaining a man-hunt for Osama while fighting a war. That would require doing two things at once and Lord knows we can't do that. <address> Sarcasm aside, I could almost understand people making statements like that when we went </address><address> into Iraq. But now that 4 years have passed and Bin Laden is still in the mountains somewhere I </address><address> think it would be fair to say that if we concentrated on Bin Laden and Al Quida instead of invading </address><address> Iraq we'd have caught this guy by now. And I thought the idea was bringing to justice those </address><address> responsible for 9/11.........</address><address /><address /><address> </address> 

 
   In the book, First In, by Gary Schroen, the author repeats a message he, our top intel guy on the scene in Afghanistan, sent to Washington just after we invaded.He told them that after we took Mazar e Sharif and moved on to Kabul, that the Taliban and al Qaeda would retreat south and to the east into and over the mountains into Pakistan.Schroen's successor, Gary Berntsen, describes in his new book, Jawbreaker, how he repeatedly requested troops be sent in to cut off the retreat accurately predicted by Schroen.Osama bin Laden got away because we failed to cut off the most logical line of retreat for him and the Taliban, and his escape enhanced his legend further as the man the U.S., with all it's strength and technical know-how, couldn't kill.Our faulty strategy is why the war there has never ended and is why al Qaeda came out of it stronger than before, carrying out more attacks after 9/11 than before. Had we put the same effort and resources into Afghanistan that we did Iraq, al Qaeda and the Taliban would have been destroyed, rather than merely defeated. Only Bush is dunce enough to see our enemies fleeing to the EAST into Pakistan, and then figure, by golly, the appropriate response is to invade three countries to the WEST on the map......    

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Yosammity

01-22-2006, 06:26 PM

quote: So I assume you think W has been on top of his game with the Iraq War?  Noboby, not one person, made any of the claims you mention even though some are fact. "He mispronounces things and that makes him dangerous!"Yes, he's the leader of the free world, so I would have to say intelligence is a key component (which he clearly lacks).  And can we go one political thread without someone throwing out the Clinton attacks.  It seems as though you are in fact incapable of true debate.  Look at this last post by Yosammity:  its the tired and true rip on liberals/dems with no substance or clear arguments whatsoever.  Should I fire back now with the my pundit is smarter than your pundit and make fun of Rush and Hannity?  No, bc I listen to the all, from both sides and come to my own conclusions.  As for W having some blame in 9/11, he does as do all the leaders of our country that ingnored the warnings and intelligence that is now documented to be out there at the time.  And it does indeed seem as though we can't handle the two things at once.  Especially since the bulk of our resources are concentrated on Iraq, which is now proven to have nothing to do with 9/11 or have any WMDs.  I would venture to say we would have Osama if the Bush admin truly wanted him.  Osama has now become the foreign policy version of abortion for the republicans.  It's sick that they'd use him in this fashion, but I believe they are. Heheh.  Republicans are stewpid!  

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libbyzibby

01-25-2006, 04:05 PM

nice to see evil doers like Osama even make New years resolutions.  with the way many of them are broken, I really don't think we have anything to worry about Have I caught Moe in posts yet?

Death Metal Moe

01-25-2006, 04:07 PM

quote: nice to see evil doers like Osama even make New years resolutions.  with the way many of them are broken, I really don't think we have anything to worry about Have I caught Moe in posts yet? Keep going.

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Reephdweller

01-25-2006, 05:37 PM

Just saw this video from the wtc attacks.This is the second plane hitting and some peoples reactions...nothing gross or anything other than the disturbing image of the plane slamming into the 2nd tower, but it's more about the people witnessing it's reactions. I've never seen this video myself...<a href="http://www.flurl.com/uploaded/Reaction_11655.html">http://www.flurl.com/uploaded/Reaction_11655.html</a>

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PapaBear

01-25-2006, 05:41 PM

Damn, that still hurts like hell to see and hear. I wish I hadn't clicked on it.

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Bestinshow

01-26-2006, 06:37 AM

quote: [quote] Thank you again for making my point. Because you didn't want to have an honest discussion in the first place you've cherry-picked my post in order to misrepresent what I said, forming a straw man that you can then attack. I clearly differentiated between conservatives of principle who debate issues honestly because they have a common respect for others' opinions and understand that honest debate is essential for understanding truth and maintaining a healthy democracy, and those, like you, who debate to silence and demonize nonconformers to your political orthodoxy. It should be painfully obvious to anyone that the accusation you made that liberals and opponents of the war motivate Bin Laden's actions could be just as easily used to say that the war in Iraq itself motivates him because his stated primary motivation for every terrorist attack that he's conducted is US military presence on Muslim lands; so an increased presence inspires him. That would be a more plausible point to make simply because it's been made by US military generals and Bush administration officials. But your insterest clearly isn't in understanding the best policies our country should take to win the war on terrorism, but to demonize Americans who dont' share your opinions. That was clear in your original post, and in what I pointed out in mine.I never advocated conservatives must agree with liberal points of view. I stated, ad nauseum, that moderate conservatives are the only ones capable of addressing you and others who rely solely on vitriol and distortion to argue your cause. I advocated honest debate. You proved you are incapable of it. And then I wasted more time addressing you. But if the moderates don't agree with me on all of this then just bring on the owls.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=bonedaddy5" border="0" /> Fuck it from behind! I'm going to do a direct quote so I don't hear anymore bullshit about cherrypicking. Once again this guy throws some nonsensicle(If thats even a word) crap out there and starts whinning because  i pulled it out for the garbage that it is.How ironic. just like the liberal Elite to cry how noone respects their opinion, yet basically dismissing mine as dogshit. Just like the liberal elite to basically call me stupid, because I don't see things as clearly as what he deems the intelligent sector of society. How dare I not see things as clear as those high and mighty enough to know whats wrong with the world. I mean afterall he differentiated between moderates who see things closer to how he see things, and people like me, who see his theories as nothing more than propaganda, which means I demonize  anyone who differs with my opinion. I guess its only demonizing when conservatives do it.Its perfectly healthy to be refered to as an asshole from someone who is on the left. you didn't use the word but you might as well have. Oh yea, you only said i rely on vitriol and distortion to argue my cause.So once again its not honest debate or healthy democracy because I view dissension in war time as detrimental to the cause. After all general public opinion never influences politics and how others view our country. But last I checked the world was sensitive, and it affects politics,  for the general dissension of the people in China, and the people in Iran. And ask the prime minister of pakistan, if public dissent has affected his position and the power he yields. But Im not allowed to feel this way, its not healthy debate. I guess I should be more like the moron puppets in the movie team america, running around screaming "big business", "global warming". Thats th eonly stuff that this message board seesm to respect. <img src="http://publish.ho

TheMojoPin

01-26-2006, 10:03 AM

"Elite?"Do you picture Yerdaddy wearing spats and a monocle when you say that?

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01-26-2006, 10:13 AM

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Furtherman

01-26-2006, 10:31 AM

quote:  How ironic. just like the liberal Elite to cry how noone respects their opinion, yet basically dismissing mine as dogshit. Just like the liberal elite to basically call me stupid, because I don't see things as clearly as what he deems the intelligent sector of society.    "Elite?"Well, as W said... "Some people call you the Elite.  I call you my base."*laugher, applause, harrumphs* Please.  You are so far gone in your hate that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a "liberal".  

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Bestinshow

01-26-2006, 10:55 AM

Thats right, elite as in people who think they are better than those who aren't like them. Elite as in people who are snide enough, to accuse others of hate  because they don't share the same thoughts and opinions. Yes, elite as in your attitudes, not your pocketbook. And not all liberals are elitists, just the ones that think their shit doesnt stink.Yes, certain liberals do think they are better than everyone else. And obviously mojo, Im not refering to you.

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01-26-2006, 10:58 AM

And Hbox, the oreily thing wasn't funny the first 100 times you did it. And while I normally find you competent and fair poster on the board, the O'reilly bullshit is tiresome. I don't even watch O'reilly. Should I call you Matt Damon or Tim Robbins?

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HBox

01-26-2006, 11:00 AM

It doesn't mean "O'Reilly", it means "Oh Really?" And it's been funny every goddamned time.

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Stankfoot

01-26-2006, 02:23 PM

quote: How ironic. just like the liberal Elite to cry how noone respects their opinion, yet basically dismissing mine as dogshit. Just like the liberal elite to basically call me stupid, because I don't see things as clearly as what he deems the intelligent sector of society. I love that term "liberal elite". Like Dick Cheney is a real "man of the people". He looks so comfy when not in a suit and tie ....   <img src="http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a350/stankfoot/bjmsig.jpg" border="0" /> “I can imagine no way in which this thing would be considered anywhere remotely close to safe.”

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JimBeam

01-26-2006, 02:48 PM

Yeah but Cheney doesnt even try and pretend he's the common man unlike Mr and Mrs Susan Sarandon ,etc ...

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HBox

01-26-2006, 02:54 PM

Yeah but Cheney doesnt even try and pretend he's the common man unlike Mr and Mrs Susan Sarandon ,etc ...

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01-26-2006, 07:03 PM

"It doesn't mean "O'Reilly", it means "Oh Really?" And it's been funny every goddamned time. "well I'll meet you halfway and say I like the owls.

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FUNKMAN

01-26-2006, 07:06 PM

what's up Glenn... How's the laryngitis?

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Bestinshow

01-26-2006, 07:11 PM

actually i still have it believe it or not, ack.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/down.gif" border="0" />

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01-26-2006, 07:14 PM

actually i still have it believe it or not, ack.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/down.gif" border="0" />i thought you're writing was a little hoarse<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" />see ya at the next event my friend

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Bestinshow

01-26-2006, 07:40 PM

Its not a little hoarse, its a little dog...har har har

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01-26-2006, 07:58 PM

Arf-arf-arf!!!

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Yerdaddy

01-28-2006, 02:10 AM

quote: I'm going to do a direct quote so I don't hear anymore bullshit about cherrypicking. Once again this guy throws some nonsensicle(If thats even a word) crap out there and starts whinning because  i pulled it out for the garbage that it is.How ironic. just like the liberal Elite to cry how noone respects their opinion, yet basically dismissing mine as dogshit. Just like the liberal elite to basically call me stupid, because I don't see things as clearly as what he deems the intelligent sector of society. How dare I not see things as clear as those high and mighty enough to know whats wrong with the world. I mean afterall he differentiated between moderates who see things closer to how he see things, and people like me, who see his theories as nothing more than propaganda, which means I demonize  anyone who differs with my opinion. I guess its only demonizing when conservatives do it.Its perfectly healthy to be refered to as an asshole from someone who is on the left. you didn't use the word but you might as well have. Oh yea, you only said i rely on vitriol and distortion to argue my cause.So once again its not honest debate or healthy democracy because I view dissension in war time as detrimental to the cause. After all general public opinion never influences politics and how others view our country. But last I checked the world was sensitive, and it affects politics,  for the general dissension of the people in China, and the people in Iran. And ask the prime minister of pakistan, if public dissent has affected his position and the power he yields. But Im not allowed to feel this way, its not healthy debate. I guess I should be more like the moron puppets in the movie team america, running around screaming "big business", "global warming". Thats th eonly stuff that this message board seesm to respect. <img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today This message was edited by Bestinshow on 1-26-06 @ 11:06 PM Honestly, at this point you've become a cliche'. You're simply parrotting some standard right-wing anti-liberal talking points that have nothing to do with what I'm even talking about. There are plenty of conservatives on this board that I can have a civil and useful debate with. All but a couple of people who read this will know exactly who I'm talking about and what I'm trying to get across to you. Why is it that you can't even tell the difference between them and yourself?

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Bestinshow

01-28-2006, 09:18 AM

Honestly, at this point you've become a cliche'. You're simply parrotting some standard right-wing anti-liberal talking points that have nothing to do with what I'm even talking about. There are plenty of conservatives on this board that I can have a civil and useful debate with. All but a couple of people who read this will know exactly who I'm talking about and what I'm trying to get across to you. Why is it that you can't even tell the difference between them and yourself? <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=bonedaddy5" border="0" /> Fuck i Thankfully one of the last people i'm worrying about getting approval from is you. I give a rats ass about your opinions and trust me, care as little about your leftist propaganda as you do about my posts. Your blind hatred for anyone conservatiive makes it impossible for you to see their  point as your constant referrals to moderate conservatives, however the fuck you define that means. In case you haven't noticed, I've had no problem whatsoever carrying on discussions with the normal liberals on the board. My only attacks are basically from you and a handful of people, like you, that choose to attack what they don't agree with. In case you can't recall, your diatribe of crap came after I quoted Bin laden in what I thought backed up my feelings that people such as yourself have ill affect on our situation. Which resulted in a 5 paragraph response of horsehit, calling my post hatred while you once again got on your soapbox preaching ho wdangerous conservatives are, and how we are ruining everything, and the liberals have no outlet to stop us and basically we are the ruination of America. And Im the damn cliche? I can turn on Bill Maher and hear the same shit as you on TV. YOur F'en sigpic shows your hatred for the right. Nothing to do with what your talking about? I explained my position at nasaum as my opinion and yet I get the same bullshit attacks from you as I always get, saying Im not addressing the issues. It was you who went on a tangent and attacked me and my crediblity. Is that what you are trying to get accross? How should I respond to the fact that you despise conservatives? And by saying bullshit like I demonize liberals doesnt let you off the hook.Well once again you dragged me off topic and are going to repond again how I dont address the issues but who cares? When I do, you tell me im full of shit, and most of your posts are attacks against me "Like this guy"  I've been reading your shit for years and youve never had a civil debate with anyone conservative anyway. People like you have driven them off the board or out of the political forum. They are the sensible ones.Im the asshole wasting my time talking to you.<img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today

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Sir Okonkwo

01-28-2006, 02:04 PM

This guy is hilarious!

Furtherman

02-03-2006, 07:33 AM

Speaking of Osama and attacks, a report came out last week questioning the validity of the 9-11 attacks, or the offical reports of what happened.I witnessed the attacks in NYC and have always felt they were as they were.  Plane into buildings, buildings burns... buildings falls.  Having lost friends in the WTC, my thoughts about why and how had ended with too many funerals.But I do remember WTC 7 falling.  There is plenty of video of it falling as well.But that wasn't hit buy a place, nor had nearly the amount of fires as the WTC.In 1991 there was a high rise fire in Philadelphia - One Meridian Plaza.  It burned for 19 hours over 8 floors and reached temperatured up tp 1,500 degrees and there were 20 floors above it.It never collapsed.  I'm not comparing the WTC to this - but WTC 7.  The more this administration lies to us (just look at what was said at the State of the Union and what was done the next day)... I find myself wondering.  Each attack on us and they'll cover us with more and more security concerns (most I agree with - like the phone tapping - tap away if it helps to hear what they're talking about!).  But I think they just want us over there - in that region - near the oil, near Israel and defeating terrorists... that will never be defeated.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060130/bs_prweb/prweb339303_5" target="_self">Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax</a> In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11, so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?* The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged "hijackers" have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they were among those killed in the attacks. How is this possible?* Frank DeMartini, a project manager for the WTC, said the buildings were designed with load redistribution capabilities to withstand the impact of airliners, whose effects would be like "puncturing mosquito netting with a pencil." Yet they completely collapsed. How is this possible?* Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700*F, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800*F under optimal conditions, and UL certified the steel used to 2,000*F for six hours, the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. How is this possible?* Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?* Foreign "terrorists" who were clever enough to coordinate hijacking four commercial airliners seemingly did not know that the least damage to the Pentagon would be done by hitting its west wing. How is this possible?* Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, in an underground bunker at the White House, watched Vice President Cheney castigate a young officer for asking, as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, "Do the orders still stand?" The order cannot have been to shoot it down, but must have been the opposite. How is this possible? * A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93, which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered over an area of about eight square miles. How is this possible? * A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible? * The

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02-03-2006, 04:27 PM

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newport king

02-03-2006, 05:12 PM

* A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93, which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered over an area of about eight square miles. How is this possible? i always felt we shot this plane down, and just went with the feel good story of passengers fighting off the terrorists. no disrespect to them of their families, just what i've always thought. as far as the rest of the conspiracy theory, i watched from downtown jersey city right across the water, saw 2nd plane and both buildings come down. i know what i saw. and the metal burning theory, i've watched a few specials on the WTC. at the time it was built they considered the biggest plane at the time which no doubt is smaller than what was used in the attacks. and i've seen demos where the impact of the jets flying at 600mph blew the fire retardant chemicals that were sprayed on the iron. (i know i do a poor job of explaining but i think you get the idea)

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02-03-2006, 05:27 PM

I'm with you Further, we need more answers to questions that 99% of America is afraid to ask 

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HBox

02-03-2006, 05:29 PM

A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible?

Just the way you said it. It doesn't sound like a complicated thing to do.

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TheMojoPin

02-03-2006, 09:18 PM

quote: Speaking of Osama and attacks, a report came out last week questioning the validity of the 9-11 attacks, or the offical reports of what happened.I witnessed the attacks in NYC and have always felt they were as they were.  Plane into buildings, buildings burns... buildings falls.  Having lost friends in the WTC, my thoughts about why and how had ended with too many funerals.But I do remember WTC 7 falling.  There is plenty of video of it falling as well.But that wasn't hit buy a place, nor had nearly the amount of fires as the WTC.In 1991 there was a high rise fire in Philadelphia - One Meridian Plaza.  It burned for 19 hours over 8 floors and reached temperatured up tp 1,500 degrees and there were 20 floors above it.It never collapsed.  I'm not comparing the WTC to this - but WTC 7.As much as I loathe this administration and want to think they're capable of anything, the various 9/11 conspiracy theories barely add up to anything outside of exactly what they are...theories.WT7 is continually trumpeted as one of the key reasons that there was a huge coverup/conspiracy going on in regards to the specific events of that attacks that day, and yet it only appears that way because of how many key facts are left out or ignored by the people supposedly shedding the light of "truth" on the issue.First of all, the main problem is the claim that ONLY fire brought down WT7.  This simply is not true.  The MAIN, and possibly ONLY reason that WT7 ultimately collapsed was the damage caused by the massive skyscraper that collapsed into the ground right next to it.  That, COMBINED with the damage from the fires in the building (stoked by the fuel stores for the emergency generators) is what eventually brought down WT7.  The fires alone would not have collapsed the building, and it is not the official claim that this is what happened.  This is a strawman argument and accusation.The more this administration lies to us (just look at what was said at the State of the Union and what was done the next day)... I find myself wondering.  Each attack on us and they'll cover us with more and more security concerns (most I agree with - like the phone tapping - tap away if it helps to hear what they're talking about!).  But I think they just want us over there - in that region - near the oil, near Israel and defeating terrorists... that will never be defeated.All very true...which is why these conspiracy theories infuriate me.  They keep people from asking serious questions and genuine criticisms of the administration over the evil shit they ACTUALLY do and instead focused on theories that are downright laughable and ultimately useless.In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11, so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?Again, this is a phantom claim made up by conspiracy theorists.  Yes, the intense fires CONTRIBUTED to the collapse of the buildings, but did not cause them along.  The massive explosion and impact from the hets themselves caused the bulk of the structural damage.  As it's been mentioned, the impact from the cash blew the fire protection completely off of the building supports.  The fires, feeding off of huge passenger jets fueled for cross-country flights, ultimately caused the steel to BEND, not melt or break, and the buildings to fall.  But again, fires did not bring down all three buildings alone, nor is anyone claiming that.  Again, a flase argument.[quote]* The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged "hijackers" have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they we

suggums

02-03-2006, 09:42 PM

While questions are being answered:How did all the three buildings of the WTC collapse in an incredibly similar, uniform manner given the differences of the planes hitting? The collateral damage that could've been caused by, say, one of the buildings toppling over would've been much worse to the city. The uniform, self-implosion of the three buildings is the kind of thing demolition experts are paid exorbitant amounts of money to engineer. How was molten metal found several weeks after the collapse in the bottom core of the WTC? Jet fuel (very similar to kerosene) can keep burning steel red hot for weeks? NORAD what? The most sophisticated internal air defense system in the world that we spend billions of dollars on cannot get on the horn to the military about 4 commercial airliners going way off course and cutting communication, all in the same morning? just a few conversation starters. id be much more convinced by the official story if certain puzzle pieces were added 

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TheMojoPin

02-03-2006, 10:20 PM

quote: While questions are being answered:How did all the three buildings of the WTC collapse in an incredibly similar, uniform manner given the differences of the planes hitting? The collateral damage that could've been caused by, say, one of the buildings toppling over would've been much worse to the city. The uniform, self-implosion of the three buildings is the kind of thing demolition experts are paid exorbitant amounts of money to engineer.  If by "uniform" you mean "down towards the ground as gravity tends to do," sure.  In the Twin Towers, the heat and impact caused the steel to flex, thus negating any support on the floors above the impact.  The force of those floors collapsing downwards in turn "pancaked" the rest of the building into the ground.  Had the steel actually "melted" as many are trying to falsely claim or accuse others of saying, then yes, a collapse of the building off to a side would have been the result.  But again, the key here is the "flexing" of the steel...this destroys the key aspect of using steel in a building in the first place...support.  As soon as it flexes, it's like the floors above it are essentially floating in the air until gravity steps in. quote: How was molten metal found several weeks after the collapse in the bottom core of the WTC? Jet fuel (very similar to kerosene) can keep burning steel red hot for weeks?  Are you trying to say that the jet fuel was the ONLY thing burning in the rubble?  Come on, man, that strawman couldn't be more obvious if HE was covered in burning jet fuel.  The fires under the rubble fed off of anything they could consume...they were basically unchecked down there without anyone able to get to them.  The jet fuel simply started and caused the INITIAL intense flames....fire doesn't need ONLY jet fuel to get hotter or burn longer.  <blockquote />NORAD what? The most sophisticated internal air defense system in the world that we spend billions of dollars on cannot get on the horn to the military about 4 commercial airliners going way off course and cutting communication, all in the same morning? <blockquote />  Like the first post I responded to, the last point touches on some genuine criticism.  Our much vaunted defense system, like our intelligence networks, failed utterly on 9/11.  Our hubris got punched in the nuts, and good.  However, our military has never intentionally shot down a commercial airliner like the ones used on 9/11...given the confusion of the day's events, it really doesn't surprise me that the order to shoot them down was never actually given.  With Flight 93, maybe it would have been...two fighters had the plane in sight as it went down, so they could have easily intercepted if it had continued towards DC.  But still, that's a major decision that would weigh heavily on anyone that gave it.  When it's all said and done, everyone involved that day was simply very human.<blockquote /><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> Dancing with the women at the bar... << He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

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HBox

02-03-2006, 10:27 PM

Didn't one side of the first tower buckle, and the top half of the tower fall off into that direction?

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TheMojoPin

02-03-2006, 10:56 PM

Yes, that's exactly what happened with the south tower.As per Wikipedia:The north tower, 1 WTC, was struck at 8:46:26 am and collapsed at 10:28:31 am, standing for 102 minutes and 5 seconds. The south tower, 2 WTC, was struck at 9:02:54 am and collapsed at 9:59:04 am, 56 minutes and 10 seconds later. A combination of three factors allowed the north tower to remain standing longer: the region of impact was higher (so the gravity load on the most damaged area was lighter); the speed of the airplane was lower (so there was less impact damage); and the affected floors had had their fire proofing partially upgraded. Also, the hottest part of the fire in the south tower burned near a corner of the building and apparently led to a sudden bursting of <a title="Bolt" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Bolt">bolts</a> in that section, while the failures in the north tower core involved slower <a title="Creep (deformation)" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Creep_(deformation)">creep</a> and softening effects. <a title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse of the World Trade Center" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center">[4]</a>The two towers collapsed in markedly different ways, indicating that there were in fact two modes of failure. The north tower collapsed directly downwards, "pancaking" in on itself, while the south tower fell at an angle during which the top 20 or so stories of the building remained intact for the first few seconds of the collapse, then pulverized into dust in mid-air, and the tower then continued straight down.Subsequent modeling suggests that in the north tower the internal trusses supporting the building's concrete floors failed as a result of heat-induced warping. This placed additional stress on the bunched core columns, which themselves were losing integrity from both impact damage and heat. When the core columns gave out on one of the impact floors, this floor collapsed into the floor below. Once the collapse started, it was unstoppable; the huge mass of the falling structure had sufficient momentum to act as a battering ram, smashing through all the intact floors below. This theory is supported by witnesses from within the tower stating they heard "something like a heavy freight train approaching". There is some visual evidence that it was the core that collapsed first. It can be seen in videos that the large antenna, which was built on top of the core, starts downward a fraction of a second earlier than the rest of the building.In the south tower, heat warping weakened the single-bolt connections between the floorplates and the initially intact external columns surrounding the impact hole, effectively creating a "hangman's drop" for that portion of the building above the point of failure. Eventually, the gravity load on these bolts increased beyond the breaking point as the joints, floorplates and columns weakened. Again, the momentum of the collapsing structure was sufficient to smash everything below it.

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A.J.

02-04-2006, 12:37 AM

NORAD what? The most sophisticated internal air defense system in the world that we spend billions of dollars on cannot get on the horn to the military about 4 commercial airliners going way off course and cutting communication, all in the same morning? Given the memory of the USS Vincennes mistakenly shooting down a civilian Iranian airliner in July 1988, I'm sure the military was understandably less than trigger-happy about targeting civilian aircraft.

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Yerdaddy

02-04-2006, 01:52 AM

<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060130/bs_prweb/prweb339303_5" target="_self">Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax</a> I just want to add that this is not a news story. It's a press release by these "experts" that somehow comes up in a Yahoo News search. Who are these guys? Why are they experts? What is their methodology? The press release doesn't say these things and so I suspect they're crackpots.I have very thin skin when it comes to 9-11 conspiracy theories. They're fairly common over here and I think my mouth is going to get me into trouble over these things one day. 

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suggums

02-04-2006, 06:52 AM

that what i like about message boards, post some questions, go to sleep, get them answered by the next day.a couple others, no science all hypotheticals: History has proven that countries/empires have been inventing enemies to scare the general public into war since Roman times.  Is the US capable of that?Would we have allowed this president to invade Iraq had 9/11 never happened? 

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landarch

02-04-2006, 07:09 AM

Would we have allowed this president to invade Iraq had 9/11 never happened? Allow?!?!?!?!  You honestly believe that we have a choice on what that scumbag Bush and his cronies do?  Not a chance.  The best thing that we cold hope for is that they all have massive heart attacks and die, all at once.  Start over with something a bit less corrupt and just downright horrible.

TheMojoPin

02-04-2006, 09:10 AM

quote: that what i like about message boards, post some questions, go to sleep, get them answered by the next day.a couple others, no science all hypotheticals: History has proven that countries/empires have been inventing enemies to scare the general public into war since Roman times.  Is the US capable of that?Of course.  "Remember the Maine," anyone?But that really doesn't seem to be the case here.  if the US "invented" Al-Queda, it's a massive and intricate conspiracy that has lasted over 20 years, required ridiculous amounts of money and the participation of thousands of people at the very least, yet nothing has, not a single shred of evidence, has been definitely exposed.  When you see how many conpiracies with far fewer people and much smaller scopes (think Watergate) have been exposed while the people behind it were at the height of their power and actually in office, these kind of longstanding and far reaching theories just seem astoundingly absurd.Now, what I DO think is that the administration has very happily used and abused the feelings and attitudes created by 9/11 to forward its agendas...and maybe, MAYBE, had an inkling that something like it might happen and didn't do all they could to stop it.  I highly doubt anyone expected the magnitude of what actually happened, but only a fool wouldn't have stopped to consider the ramifications of a terrorist attack on American soil and what it would do in terms of public sentiment towards an overly hawkish and imperialistc administration.  If 9/11 had ended up being only a relatively slightly more severe version of the 1993 WTC attacks...hey, who knows?  But yes, 9/11 exposed serious flaws in the administration before and after the attacks, up until this day, and in our structure of government and security going back decades.  And pandering to outlandish conspiracy theory only serves to willfully ignore the shit that's REALLY going down that the people in charge are getting busted on and called out for more and more these days.  It's a disservice to yourself if you choose to focus on "X-Files"-lite conspiracies as opposed to what these goons are really capable of.And really...do these theorists SERIOUSLY think THIS administration is actually capable of the massively intricate levels of global Machiavellian orchestration that these conspiracies would have required?  These guys' government career are riddled with policy failures and miscalculations that were so shortsighted that they're hurting this country and other countries around the world to this day.  Yet, what, that was all a front for the Dr. Doom-esque brilliance they were REALLY hiding to pull of something like 9/11 and not get caught?  Come on...[/quote]

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Furtherman

03-09-2006, 11:36 AM

BIN LADEN: HOW CLOSE HAVE WE COME?<a href="http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/14053952.htm" target="_blank">Pretty f'n close.</a>Four of them found bin Laden, and our best opportunity since 9/11 to kill him."They were able to visually spot his camp at Milawa... And from that... mountaintop, they are able to call in air strikes for 56 hours. There were hundreds of them there... We are able to hear bin Laden. After we took a radio off of a dead fighter, we could hear him. We were very close."That's when Berntsen called for a Blue 82, a 15,000-pound bomb, the largest explosive in our inventory shy of a nuclear weapon. It has to be dropped off the back of a C-130 because it's too heavy to be suspended from an aircraft.Berntsen's team was on the ground for 11 days of shelling, with the CIA running the show. Then Delta Force took over for the last five days. He says that, at Tora Bora, his request for Army Rangers was denied. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.