Our Troops - do we really support them? [Archive]

Dirtybird12

01-06-2006, 08:07 AM

Can someone explain to me this idiotic quote I keep hearing?"I'm against the WAR but I support the troops"How do you support the troops?I know it's the "safe & right" thing to say but lets get real - Do we REALLY support them? or do we just say that to be PC. It would be refreshing to hear someone say - I support the war but Im against the troops. (maybe on Earth2?) I don't think anyone wants "our troops" to be killed or injured but other than praying for that, what does it mean to support the troops? 

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EliSnow

01-06-2006, 08:13 AM

quote: Can someone explain to me this idiotic quote I keep hearing?"I'm against the WAR but I support the troops"How do you support the troops?I know it's the "safe & right" thing to say but lets get real - Do we REALLY support them? or do we just say that to be PC. It would be refreshing to hear someone say - I support the war but Im against the troops. (maybe on Earth2?) I don't think anyone wants "our troops" to be killed or injured but other than praying for that, what does it mean to support the troops?It's all a reaction to the horrendous treatment of soliders by war protesters during and after Vietnam.  Now no one wants to be portrayed as someone who spits on or insults a solider who has risked their life for their country.  Does everyone who says that mean it?  Probably not, but I bet a good deal do.  

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libbyzibby

01-06-2006, 08:19 AM

I'm not sure, but it just may be that a lot of people do not want to see young people or people with lives called back into duty (national guard etc) and get killed in a war theat the polls say(not me, the polls) a majority are against right nowI beleive it is thinking more of the individual than the whole aspect....making it a bit more personal...I can see the difference even people who support the wars upport the troops I would think. As a matter of fact.....how can anyone not support the troops, at least in basic human feelings  side note...does this thing have a spell check

zentraed

01-06-2006, 08:19 AM

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The US defence budget reached US$417.4 billion in 2003 - 46 per cent of the global total. 
""On a per-capita basis, the average American in 2004 then did not pay
$1,488 for defense but $2,605. In a word, the military ran on $217.08
per citizen per month, while the remainder of the federal government
ran on $103.83 per citizen per month." Sounds like support to me 

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Dirtybird12

01-06-2006, 08:21 AM

quote: no one wants to be portrayed as someone who spits on or insults a solider who has risked their life for their country.   The sad thing about this - to me is - are they really risking their life for THEIR country? All those dead American soilders - and for what?  How has the war in Iraq helped America?The whole fucking thing makes no sense and its making me sick- 

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EliSnow

01-06-2006, 08:33 AM

quote: The sad thing about this - to me is - are they really risking their life for THEIR country? All those dead American soilders - and for what?  How has the war in Iraq helped America?The whole fucking thing makes no sense and its making me sick- I think there may be two answers to your question.  When I said that soldiers risking their lives for their country, I was talking about the soliders' intent or willingness to risk their lives in efforts that their leaders say is for the good of their country.  So are soldiers risking their lives for their country?  Yes.The other way to look at it is how I think you are looking at it.  Will the soldiers' sacrifices benefit America's safety?  The answer to that question is an opinion based on how someone feels about the war.  I think it was probably a mistake, but we really won't know until maybe 10-20 years from now.  If, due to our efforts, there is a civil war in Iraq that leads to a government that is like Iran or Syria,  then the clear answer is no.  My problem with the war is that not enough people realized that the war could easily lead to a worse government than Saddam's with regard to their attitude to the U.S., and in order to stop that, we would need a long term presence and a lot of money. At the time, I thought that the average supporter of the war would support it early, but then would go against it, and ultimately would lead the U.S. to withdraw from Iraq before we could guarantee that a stable and friendly government was in place.  And in the end, we'd have a new Iran or Taliban Afghanistan.That could still happen, which is why I was against the war in the first place. <img src="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bkemper/Snow1.jpg" border="0" /> Formerly MrTerrific

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Dougie Brootal

01-06-2006, 08:39 AM

quote: Can someone explain to me this idiotic quote I keep hearing?"I'm against the WAR but I support the troops"How do you support the troops?I know it's the "safe & right" thing to say but lets get real - Do we REALLY support them? or do we just say that to be PC. It would be refreshing to hear someone say - I support the war but Im against the troops. (maybe on Earth2?) I don't think anyone wants "our troops" to be killed or injured but other than praying for that, what does it mean to support the troops? <a href="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/"></a> i think it means that they are against the reasons we went to war but support the troops by keeping them in their thoughts/ prayers, admiring them for thier bravery, and hoping they come home safe.     and also not spitting on or insulting them. 

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zentraed

01-06-2006, 09:15 AM

quote:quote: no one wants to be portrayed as someone who spits on or insults a solider who has risked their life for their country. The sad thing about this - to me is - are they really risking their life for THEIR country? All those dead American soilders - and for what? How has the war in Iraq helped America?The whole fucking thing makes no sense and its making me sick- 

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click cooley's hat! The soldiers do whatever we tell them to do. A discussion of the troops is almost irrelevant. It's about the civilian leadership who we vote into office on a regular basis. It's the civilian leadership's job to answer those questions to our satisfaction, and that bar was very low following 9/11 for most people (policy should never be motivated by fear or revenge). My mother is active-duty and my dad is retired Air Force. Everyday, they get up and do the work that the President and Congress appoints. 

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TheRealEddie

01-06-2006, 09:53 AM

I think the statement of supporting the troops but being against the war is fine, and I personally ascribe to it.For
me its anologous to any employee - employer relationship. The troops
dont decide where they are deployed  or who they are fighting.
They are merely the instruments of the gov't/pentagon. They are people,
a bit cliched but they are all members of someones family and
friends.  So I support the troops in that I want everything done
to keep them alive and to get them home as soon as reasonably possible.
My wife and I participated in several care package programs to make
their lives out in the battlefield a little better.However, I can be
against the war and men behind the curtain. The intelligence failture
that lead to the tens of thousands of killed and maimed is a serious
issue for me. Furthermore, there are real questions regarding the 
integrity of the decisions made be the intelligence also. So I do not
support the war, but Ill be damned to hear that I don't support the
troops. 
    

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suggums

01-06-2006, 10:07 AM

quote:It would be refreshing to hear someone say - I support the war but Im against the troops. (maybe on Earth2?)That's actually part of a great Bill Hicks bit from the first Iraq war.

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Sheeplovr

01-06-2006, 10:46 AM

can you be Against the war and Against just some of the troopscaue man a few guys i knew from school who went into the army or whatever were real scumbags 

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FUNKMAN

01-06-2006, 10:47 AM

quote: I'm against the WAR but I support the troops" How do you support the troops?  i think it's pretty simple1. Ifyou felt we should not have went to war in the first place, and it's more like "you do not support the justification for going to war". If you also feel the lives lost, injuries incurred, and money spent have been too high a cost. On 9/11 we lost 3 thousand people so what do we do? we send our people into Iraq and are close to losing 3 thousand more along with ten thousand blinded, crippled, burnt, and along with that 30,000 dead innocent iraqis. Add a trillion dollars "which it will be" and for what? to wage war against a country who was not attacking us? note: from the getgo i felt iraq could have been dealt with diplomatically(sp?)2. you support the troops by wanting the war to end, hoping they do not get killed and hoping they get home as soon as possibleEDIT: <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/25915/page/If_Bush_Backed_Out_.htm" target="_self">I tried way back when</a><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/fm2_sig.jpg" border="0" />

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Dougie Brootal

01-06-2006, 10:50 AM

quote: quote: I'm against the WAR but I support the troops" How do you support the troops?  i think it's pretty simple1. Ifyou felt we should not have went to war in the first place, and it's more like "you do not support the justification for going to war". If you also feel the lives lost, injuries incurred, and money spent have been too high a cost. On 9/11 we lost 3 thousand people so what do we do? we send our people into Iraq and are close to losing 3 thousand more along with ten thousand blinded, crippled, burnt, and along with that 30,000 dead innocent iraqis. Add a trillion dollars "which it will be" and for what? to wage war against a country who was not attacking us? note: from the getgo i felt iraq could have been dealt with diplomatically(sp?)2. you support the troops by wanting the war to end, hoping they do not get killed and hoping they get home as soon as possibleyeah! thats what i said. although not so eloquently. 

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Bulldogcakes

01-06-2006, 04:46 PM

quote: get killed in a war theat the polls say(not me, the polls) a
majority are against right now Oh please. The majority of Americans are at the mall, or watching some crap TV show.  When you see 1960's size protests on a regular basis against this war, call me.  

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HBox

01-06-2006, 05:01 PM

The biggest reason so many people go out of their way to say "I support the troops" is because of the idiots who have run out of defenses for this war and resort to responding to any criticism of the war by hiding behind the troops. 

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Bulldogcakes

01-06-2006, 05:11 PM

Guy #1-"I support the troops"Guy #2-"Sure, but on which side?"   Just the fact that people seem to feel the need to throw in "I support the troops" tells you that they feel like they're  being accused of being unpatriotic if they dont. What
both sides should do is explain what their solution is at this point.
Because I haven't heard any lately from anyone on either side.  

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Recyclerz

01-06-2006, 08:00 PM

How do you support the troops?1.  I send elected officials a lot of e-mails trying to shame them into forcing Bush to come up with a reality-based plan of getting them out of harm's way ASAP.2. I don't really think petioning the Lord with prayer really does anything but I throw a few up in the air anyway.3. I got the name and military address of one guy who is stationed over there, bought (and solicited my friends and co-workers to buy) a bunch  of tasty snack treats and other (hopefully) useful and/or enjoyable doo-dads and sent them to him and his troops for Xmas.I think any of the above work better than those stupid car ribbon magnet things. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

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TheMojoPin

01-06-2006, 08:00 PM

quote: The biggest reason so many people go out of their way to say "I support the troops" is because of the idiots who have run out of defenses for this war and resort to responding to any criticism of the war by hiding behind the troops. <img src="http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4544/newsig2ki.jpg" border="0" /> Exactly.  By and large, of course, I feel our armed forces are populated by "good" people, but there are plenty of shitbags who abuse the power they have as an idiot with a gun in the worst, most awful ways possible who just get glossed over because of the armchair patriots who use the people in combat as their political shield. 

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libbyzibby

01-06-2006, 11:57 PM

bulldogcakes saidWhen you see 1960's size protests on a regular basis against this war, call me.    wasnt that the whole boston Legal thing from awhile back they talked about?

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01-07-2006, 01:50 AM

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phillybri76

01-07-2006, 04:12 AM

More and more, "Support the troops" is just a slogan that gives cover to the people who haven't got the balls to step up and fight themselves.Wanna really "support the troops"? Make sure their civilian leadership isn't given a blank check to use them however they choose...Ask the tough questions of your Congressman or Senator like "why are soldiers buying their own body armor" or "why did we go into Iraq w/o a plan to get out?Join them...

FUNKMAN

01-07-2006, 04:27 AM

More and more, "Support the troops" is just a slogan that gives cover to the people who haven't got the balls to step up and fight themselves.This just seems to be a 'macho' statement. i believe more than 50% of people in the military didn't join with the main purpose of 'possibly being able to defend the country in wartime'. They joined to 'make a living' where they felt there were no better avenues to do so. Just like a good number of people who join the Police, is it really in their heart to put their life on the line for justice? I believe more than half do it for the benefits and to make a living. Regardless i personally would not like to see one of ours get killed, soldier or policeman and they deserve our respect and gratitude when they are defending us.In this situation Iraq did not start a war with us, as a matter of fact Iraq was not at war with anyone when we decided to go in.

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phillybri76

01-07-2006, 05:03 AM

In this situation Iraq did not start a war with us, as a matter of fact Iraq was not at war with anyone when we decided to go in.Precisely.  And that's why it's incumbent upon us (the people) to honor their service by not letting politicians send them to die without a damn good reason...

Captain Stubing

01-07-2006, 05:47 AM

For some people, supporting the troops means they're not activily working against troops (ala Vietnam).For others, it has a more active connotation (e.g., sending cards to soldiers over the holidays).However, for many people the 'I support the troops but not the war' slogan is a loose sort of code for 'I hate George W. Bush' (note to those flexing their fingers preparing to reply - I didn't write "most people....", or "the majority of people....", I wrote "many people....").Al Franken is a good example of someone who is for the troops but against the war - hates Bush, has always thought the war was a bad idea, but spends his holidays doing USO tours to the Middle East.

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01-07-2006, 05:58 AM

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01-08-2006, 11:37 AM

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IrishAlkey

01-08-2006, 12:43 PM

The fact that everyone that opposes this war has to qualify their opinion is repugnant.

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01-08-2006, 01:23 PM

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01-10-2006, 04:38 PM

quote: Can someone explain to me this idiotic quote I keep hearing?"I'm against the WAR but I support the troops"How do you support the troops?<a href="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/"></a>  By wanting them to come home alive instead of dead.By having a higher threshhold for sending them off to fight, die, get maimed, suffer loss of limbs, eyesight, and/or internal organs. I support the cops, but I don't think marijuana should be illegal.I support the Redskins, but I don't support spitting in someone's face. All you've got to do is be less superficial, and the rest is easy.      

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