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LordJezo

01-05-2006, 07:54 AM

Personally I think R/F is one of the most liberal shows out there.  Compared to O/A they are so far in left field that .. um, can't think of how to end this sentence. It would have a nice place on Air America but they are actually nice to listen.  (Ha ha?)  But yeah, Ron and Fez has become a very pro-lib show now that Fez has gone hardcore hippy.   (Disclaimer:  I think Bush is one of the greatest presidents ever and would never consider voting for a D.  Fox News all day long)  

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shodan

01-05-2006, 08:33 AM

I think Opie is much more left wing than Anthony or Jimmy, but obviously Ron and Fez are more left leaning. Though Fez became that way after Bush made an ass of himself in office.Not looking for a fight, honestly, but why do you see Bush as a great president? 

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EliSnow

01-05-2006, 08:35 AM

quote: Personally I think R/F is one of the most liberal shows out there.  Compared to O/A they are so far in left field that .. um, can't think of how to end this sentence. As Ron said, it's fairly obvious that he is a liberal in many ways.  But it's not like he's pushing his viewpoint all the time.   It's a comedy show in which their viewpoints come out every now and then.  If someone can't stand that viewpoint coming out ever, the answer is simple - don't listen.  I don't listen to O'Riley, Limbaugh or Robertson for that very reason.  It really makes no sense for people to call up with complaints like today's.  They seem to have viewpoint that Ron and Fez have no business having or expressing political viewpoints.  These callers aren't calling up to discuss the merits of the viewpoints, which Ron and Fez would be happy to discuss.  No, they're attacking them for having the viewpoint.  Morons.<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">[/quote] But yeah, Ron and Fez has become a very pro-lib show now that Fez has gone hardcore hippy.  <a></a><a> "Hardcore hippy?"  I think Fez is moderate to (maybe) left-leaning moderate for the most part.  To the extent that he's considered to be a liberal because he hates the way Bush has been handling things, well, given Bush's approval ratings, that means that over 60% of America are liberals.  Regardless, of that, I've met some "hardcore" hippies" and they make Fez look like J. Edgar Hoover.    </a>  <img src="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bkemper/Snow1.jpg" border="0" /> Formerly MrTerrific

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JPMNICK

01-05-2006, 08:36 AM

ron is def left leaning, and fez used to be right, and now is more center possibly a little left.

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HBox

01-05-2006, 08:38 AM

The same people who are complaining about Ron talking about politics with a liberal viewpoint would be up in arms if someone called in and complaine that the show is too dirty or offensive. And they are too stupid to see that there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE. 

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HBox

01-05-2006, 08:39 AM

<--- What's with the arrow? 

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EliSnow

01-05-2006, 08:42 AM

quote: <--- What's with the arrow?There was a site problem earlier.  Maybe it has something to do with that.

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Yerdaddy

01-05-2006, 08:46 AM

Ron leans slightly to the left and Fez is straight down the middle with a huge helmet and purple vien. Oh, and one ball hangs lower than the other.

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Furtherman

01-05-2006, 08:46 AM

Left, right, lib, con.....  stupid labels.I think Ron said it best when he said if there is a "side" with O'Reilly, Rush, Robertson and Bush, he doesn't want to be on that side.Neither do I.Why?  Common sense.Or as David Letterman put it SO beautifully to O'Reilly the other night, "60 percent of what you say is just crap."  Which can be said for the others I've mentioned above.

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Yerdaddy

01-05-2006, 08:48 AM

And Fez has a hardwood floor and Ron's got the giant Juan Epstein afro going on.

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curtoid

01-05-2006, 09:16 AM

Ron may lean left politically, but neither of them are mouthpieces for the Democratic Party. If the shit was hitting the fan with Democrats indicted on Capital Hill, they would be the first ones screaming about that too. Hell, Ron has even said he has gone years before without voting. And no one loves the Blowhard on there giving his opinion more than Ron - he likes it when both sides can come on and be articulate with their pov, because bottom line it makes for better radio. But, as it was said earlier - Ron basically put it out there of whose side you would rather be on, even illustrating it (brilliantly) that the Delays, Hasserts, Cheneys and Bushes reminded him of the douche bags in "Animal House."<img height="171" src="http://horselatitudes.blogs.com/horse_latitudes/images/bush_abortion.jpg" width="300" border="0" />In any event - when I hear people complain about the show, I always suspect that deep down what they really are complaining about is how "Liberal" the supposedly show is. I'd rather have hope in my soul than soap in my hole...

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Doctor Manhattan

01-05-2006, 11:00 AM

<a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/46/topic/48150">Do you think R/F lean right or left?</a> I think R leans to the Right and F leans to the Front

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KC2OSO

01-05-2006, 11:02 AM

<img width="300" height="226" border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/ronandfezonxm.jpg" /> It
looks like they lean to their left as you look at them but in actuality
they are leaning to the right but maybe it's just the way the picture
was taken. 


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Doctor Manhattan

01-05-2006, 11:08 AM

(Disclaimer:  I think Bush is one of the greatest presidents ever and would never consider voting for a D.  Fox News all day long)So even if both parties nominate people who are very moderate, and somehow the Democrats nominate someone worthwhile and the Republican's nominate a complete scumbag/moron but his views and position aren't very different than the Dem's canidate, you'd still not consider it? I never understand staying with a single party. You have to look at the canidate case by case.

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HBox

01-05-2006, 11:13 AM

So
even if both parties nominate people who are very moderate, and somehow
the Democrats nominate someone worthwhile and the Republican's nominate
a complete scumbag/moron but his views and position aren't very
different than the Dem's canidate, you'd still not consider it?That description is pretty close to 2004. 

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Doctor Manhattan

01-05-2006, 11:17 AM

quote: That description is pretty close to 2004.  Democrats nominate someone worthwhile ≠ John KerryAnd I don't think their views and position were similar<a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202" target="_blank"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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HBox

01-05-2006, 11:19 AM

Their views weren't different enough, and the scumbag/moron part was EASILY met. 

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curtoid

01-05-2006, 11:38 AM

Well, in 2004 we knew what we were getting with the one we got - someone who would appoint Browny to FEMA, who would stack the court the way he has, who said that God told him to attack Iraq ("God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East") who made no move to appeal to anyone but his base, who is best friends with Karl Rove, Doug Feith, Tom Hicks and Joe Allbaugh, and someone who scared the hell out of the country while deregulating the shit out of every protections agency in the government. <img height="410" src="http://images.bigghurtt.com/bush_saudi.jpg" width="341" border="0" />Kerry wasn't my first choice, but there were/are big important differences between he and Bush. 

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HBox

01-05-2006, 11:41 AM

I know there were important differences, there was a reason I voted for Kerry, but IMO he tried to come off as Republican-lite. 

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newport king

01-05-2006, 11:45 AM

I think Bush is one of the greatest presidents ever that comment had me turn my head and look at my computer much like a dog would. can you explain that to me?

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HBox

01-05-2006, 11:46 AM

I think New Coke was one of the greatest product innovations of all time. 

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newport king

01-05-2006, 11:59 AM

Clear Pepsi should be reproduced.Slavery was a good idea to get work done.Nazis, love em or hate em, really stuck to an plan.

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HBox

01-05-2006, 12:09 PM

The Bay of Pigs was the greatest military maneuver of all time. 

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newport king

01-05-2006, 12:16 PM

Harry's sweatpants joke has me in stitches.

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newport king

01-05-2006, 12:18 PM

Chinese women have some of the curviest bodies.

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01-05-2006, 12:19 PM

David Lee Roth is going to be really successful.

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jlehane

01-05-2006, 12:28 PM

7of my top ten Presidents names end in the letter "N". 1)Clinton 2)Bush 2 3)FDR  4)Kennedy  5)Lincoln 6) Washington  7) Jefferson  8)Nixon   9)Wilson   10) Reagan /Ask me about Life on Mars/I invented 7of 9 for Star Trek(has to do with Viking lander experiments to find life on Mars 1976).

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01-05-2006, 12:29 PM

The best "Godfather" movie was the third one.

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01-05-2006, 12:30 PM

quote: 6 of my top ten Presidents names end in the letter "N". 1)Clinton 2)Bush 2 3)FDR  4)Kennedy  5)Lincoln 6) Washington  7) Jefferson  8)Nixon   9)Wilson   10) Reagan Actually 7 

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HBox

01-05-2006, 12:31 PM

Adolf Hitler is a rather popular figure in the Jewish community. 

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newport king

01-05-2006, 12:31 PM

K-Fed has mad street cred yo. serious skillz.

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01-05-2006, 12:34 PM

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Rorschach

01-05-2006, 02:42 PM

ron is so pinko he makes karl marx seem conservative.

fez has no idea what to believe anymore.

they're both funny motherfuckers though.

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Bestinshow

01-05-2006, 02:58 PM

And kerry was such a great candidate that Hillary is ahead of him now in the Democratic party. So to go along with your bit.John Kerry really would have made a great President.

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01-05-2006, 03:03 PM

"But, as it was said earlier - Ron basically put it out there of whose side you would rather be on, even illustrating it (brilliantly) that the Delays, Hasserts, Cheneys and Bushes reminded him of the douche bags in "Animal House."And who would you equate with the Clintons,kennedys and Kerrys(Heinz)?The kennedys, now thats a classy name.If I had a daughter, Id want her to be raped by a kennedy.<img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today

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EliSnow

01-05-2006, 03:15 PM

quote: And who would you equate with the Clintons,kennedys and Kerrys(Heinz)?The kennedys, now thats a classy name.If I had a daughter, Id want her to be raped by a kennedy.Under Ron's analogy (as your own comment about the Kennedy's makes clear), they would be the Deltas.   The Deltas were heavy drinking, womanizing party animals.  And, Dean Wormer didn't want his daughter to be with the Deltas.   <img src="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bkemper/Snow1.jpg" border="0" /> Formerly MrTerrific

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Bestinshow

01-05-2006, 03:20 PM

I can kinda picture Belushi playing Ted kennedy. Definitely a similar build and they probably have dealers in common. And even though he didnt play a Delta, Kevin Bacon could be Clinton, bent over getting paddled."Please sir, may I have another?" <img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/gpigking/myhomepage/xxbis.gif?mtbrand=aol_us" border="0" /> I am not part of any percentage. I am the Bestinshow Kiss a Doberman Today 

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Bulldogcakes

01-05-2006, 03:46 PM

I think Ron leans toward the Mob and Fez leans toward Cuban boys. BTW-Wait till we have a Dem pres (which may be sooner than you think) I guarentee they'll be ripping him or . . . her (shudder!) just as much. Because its not about Right/Left as much as its about funny/not funny. 


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BlakeKarrington

01-05-2006, 05:28 PM

quote: I think Opie is much more left wing than Anthony or Jimmy, but obviously Ron and Fez are more left leaning. Though Fez became that way after Bush made an ass of himself in office.   Ive heard Opie call himself a "moderate" but he comes across as more apolitical to me.  He seems to hide behind that safe label and positions like "I dont vote because I dont like the choices" when really hes just not very interested.  In fact, despite their self-labeling, none of the guys seem very political.  Although Jimmy at times goes on rants that sound like regurgitations of whatever hes heard on Sean Hannitys show.  Their political musings are usually shallow; for example, they all hate Hillary Clinton but dont seem to know why.  Marc Maron asked them about it and they didnt seem to have an answer more substantive than "I just dont like her."  Part of the silliness of this discussion of labels is that nobody seems to know the criteria upon which theyre making these distinctions - "Opie leans further left than Anthony" - how so?  What positions have informed that statement?Jimmys political identification is kind of confusing.  I think he prides himself in being independent and capable of pointing out the flaws in both sides, yet dedicates 95% of his criticism to "the left" or liberals, which is odd in itself considering that he leads a rather liberal lifestyle.  I personally think he falsely identifies liberals with a small sect of whiny, politically correct activists rather than guys like Ron and/or Fez.  So he aligns himself with "the opposite" - what he perceives to be the tough, politically incorrect crowd.  Him and Anthony seem terrified of being identified as liberals, so they constantly attack liberals and make half-hearted asides about how bad the right can be along the way.  And many times theyre simply misinformed.  During the presidential election, Jimmy seemed to form opinions based on information he found in Bush/Cheney commercials.  But you would think that with Republicans running the House, Senate and White House,  an independent, fair-minded guy such as Jimmy would have more criticism than the occassional, 3-second "Conservatives are awful with free speech" squeezed inside a 3-minute tirade on the left.As for Ron & Fez, theres no need to guessing which way "the show leans."  They both offer their own opinions, and they seem to be generally liberal.  Case closed.  Ron has said plainly that hes a liberal, and God bless him.  Fez seems to be on the same level.  Theyre not pretending to be impartial news reporters, so theres no need in discerning what "bias" there might be.I can tell that Fez is somewhat of a political junkie, and while hes critical of the current administration, he doesnt really articulate any obvious liberal viewpoints.  As a relatively new listener (since the XM arrival), Im unsure of Fezs past political affiliation.  I know he was a Republican, but do any long-time listeners know why he identified himself as one?"Miss Right-Wing Fez"

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EliSnow

01-05-2006, 05:40 PM

quote: I can tell that Fez is somewhat of a political junkie, and while hes critical of the current administration, he doesnt really articulate any obvious liberal viewpoints.  As a relatively new listener (since the XM arrival), Im unsure of Fezs past political affiliation.  I know he was a Republican, but do any long-time listeners know why he identified himself as one?"Miss Right-Wing Fez"This message was edited by BlakeKarrington on 1-5-06 @ 9:38 PM Mostly because he grew up that way, and worshipped Ronald Reagan, and I think, agreed with many of his policies.  He was also pretty religious.  The last 3 years has seen a change in Mr. Whatley in a lot of ways.And, you HAVE to call in with the "Miss Right-Wing Fez."   That or I miss Fez-At-His-Peak. 

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Gvac

01-05-2006, 05:46 PM

While Ron does tend to be a bit left leaning, he's hardly a knee jerk liberal and doesn't march in lock step with any political party. He seems to take a common sense approach to how he views the world's problems and how to solve them.

A lot like Bill O'Reilly claims to do.

Fez has most definitely softened in his support of the Republican party and it seems to coincide with his fairly recent questioning of his faith. Yes, he was once a God-fearing Southern gentleman but the turns his life has taken over the past few years has changed the way he views things.

Self discovery is a life long process it would seem.

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BlakeKarrington

01-05-2006, 06:06 PM

quote: ron is so pinko he makes karl marx seem conservative. What a reference!!http://ruthlessreviews.com/pics4/dennismillerlive0.jpg"You said it babe!  Bennington is so left-wing, he makes Enver Hoxha look like Phyllis Schlafly reading In Hoc Signo Vinces at a Sun Myung Moon gala."(Waiting to be cancelled)

phillybri76

01-05-2006, 06:36 PM

I think the boys are both liberals.And you know what?THAT'S NOT A BAD THING!!!

HBox

01-05-2006, 06:49 PM

I don't think Karl Marx is obscure at all. 

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01-05-2006, 06:51 PM

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01-05-2006, 07:04 PM

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BlakeKarrington

01-05-2006, 07:16 PM

quote: I don't think Karl Marx is obscure at all. Yeah...I shouldve reinforced the sarcasm with my original phrasing:"Wow!!!  What a clever reference!!!!"It wouldve erased all doubt!

A.J.

01-06-2006, 02:31 AM

But, as it was said earlier - Ron basically put it out there of whose side you would rather be on, even illustrating it (brilliantly) that the Delays, Hasserts, Cheneys and Bushes reminded him of the douche bags in "Animal House."I could see Scooter Libby getting raped in prison like Marmalard.Hastert?  That guy has "Flounder" written all over him.

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Bill From Yorktown

01-06-2006, 03:12 AM

hard to tell how far left, as they are radio personalities - especially Ron who likes to play both sides against each other to show how silly this can be - he'll jump sides on the radio at the drop of a hat and pretend he was on that side all the time.  Classic Ron.

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LordJezo

01-06-2006, 03:51 AM

quote: quote:I think Bush is one of the greatest presidents ever  that comment had me turn my head and look at my computer much like a dog would. can you explain that to me?

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01-06-2006, 10:23 PM

quote: quote:So
even if both parties nominate people who are very moderate, and somehow
the Democrats nominate someone worthwhile and the Republican's nominate
a complete scumbag/moron but his views and position aren't very
different than the Dem's canidate, you'd still not consider it? That description is pretty close to 2004.   Begin your response here... Saying
that Kerry was "somewhat worthwhile" is a laugh.  He was just the
turd that didn't sink after Dean turned into sreaming retard.   If
Kerry had changed his opinion about issues any more often he would have
needed to hire a full-time staff just keep up with his contradicting
opinions.  Who the hell wants a president like that besides the
French?  Even the Germans went with a conservative this time. 
 And as far as ANY national poll goes - I'll never
belive them because polls can be made to reflect whatever the
poll-taker wants.  I'll go ask a crowd of palmleaf weaving hippies
what they think about the war and say that 100% of those polled opposed
the war :)   Another good example is that for all the crazy shit
that people did (actors and musicians included) the country still
elected the same guy who so many hated with such venom.  Bottom
line is that there are people out there who will always preach doom and
gloom in hopes that people will give them more power and then magically
the same problems become "not so bad".