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shodan

12-20-2005, 07:52 AM

I have sympathy for unions, and think what is going on in Walmart is disgraceful, but as I have a Master's degree , and make roughly 30,000 while someone who sweeps a station (not a trained skill) with a GED makes 41000 dollars I have little sympathy for this particular situation. They want retirement at 55 y/o? Don't we all? They should be treated fairly, not put on a pedestal. Theya re complaining about paying 1 percent of healthcare costs? My wife is paying a FUCK of a lot more than that. As for the MTA, I think they are all shady bastards; basically publicly legal organized crime. Just my two cents

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Sheeplovr

12-20-2005, 07:55 AM

whats your master degree in? crankyness? 


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JimBeam

12-20-2005, 08:03 AM

My take on it is that they want the rest of NYC to have patience with them while they strike but I can guarantee that if doctors, policemen or firemen ever went on strike and they got sick, mugged or their house was on fire they wouldnt have such patience.

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walking joint

12-20-2005, 08:05 AM

They want retirement at 55 y/o? Don't we all?i was actually hoping for 25...but now my goal is 30...doesn't look good. maybe i should strike, oh wait, i'd be fired.

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12-20-2005, 08:05 AM

oh...and lock

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12-20-2005, 08:06 AM

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shodan

12-20-2005, 08:06 AM

quote: whats your master degree in?crankyness? <a href="http://suchsome.somesuch.org/"><img src="http://suchsome.somesuch.org/RFBHsigger.jpg" border="0" /></a> Alright, that was pretty funny...As for the degree, it's in psychology., I work with autistic children. I am going for my doctorate now so I can afford food :) 

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newport king

12-20-2005, 08:16 AM

Shodan, i'm not trying to pick a fight but where do you live? the cost in the NYC metro area is insane. 41,000 is peanuts. And that was your chosen profession. i'm sure you enjoy what you do. do you think some fucking shlub mopping vomit in the subway or driving the choo choo gets any sort of fulfillment in a day's work? just because you went to college and got that degree doesnt make you worth anymore than the next guy. it doesn't make you a better person. 

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JimBeam

12-20-2005, 08:24 AM

Well where people choose to live is also their choice so if you think rent in NYC is too much head on down to NC and get a job.

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shodan

12-20-2005, 08:31 AM

I live in NYC, and the reason our salaries are so low is that the government funding is so incredibly curtailed by the Govt. Much of that money is going towards an extremely crooked MTA. as for "being a better person" I believe I qualified my statements by saying that I sympathize with unions. Never did I even IMPLY that I am a "better person". Just because some unions have good points they raise, does not mean that ALL unions are good. As for a fight, believe that fighting on the web is stupid, so I dont want a fight either, just an intelligent discussion. If you saw the people I hang with, you would not think I have a superiority issue. But I do think that someone with an education should be able to get at least as much as one with out. I think that is fair.

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newport king

12-20-2005, 08:34 AM

it isnt that easy if your life is here....thats why they call it a cost of living. these things get taken into consideration during contract talks. strikes suck...but i'll admit it i'm IBEW. we were going to strike about 2 years ago. i wasn't happy about it but the union made a few concessions and would not give up on the major sticking point at the time which was no layoffs. so while everyones job is safe for the next 3 years, we havent had much of a raise. 

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Sheeplovr

12-20-2005, 08:40 AM

has anyone checked if the Jackie Gleason/Ralph Kramden statue is crying blood at the port authority?

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silera

12-20-2005, 08:42 AM

quote: Well where people choose to live is also their choice so if you think rent in NYC is too much head on down to NC and get a job. I have balls !!! What does that even mean?

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shodan

12-20-2005, 08:43 AM

I am definitely for prevention of layoffs, so good luck to you

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12-20-2005, 09:02 AM

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CaptClown

12-20-2005, 09:14 AM

The cost of living is much lower in NC than it is in NYC, although it is going up around Research Triangle. The bad part is life is so slow that watching the crops grow is just about the most exciting thing there is to do.Director of the C.Y.A. Society. Field Marshal of the K.I.S.S. Army Poison Clan rocks the world

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silera

12-20-2005, 09:17 AM

So in order for people to earn a living salary, they should have to relocate to cheaper states.It just doesnt make any sense.They're asking for cost of living increases and to retain their current benefit situation as is.

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shodan

12-20-2005, 09:22 AM

quote: quote: I work with autistic children.   'children with autism'                Love,                 Ned Nitpicker<img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/torker1313/gayxmas.jpg" border="0" /> Get me. I'm givin' out wings. Actually "autistic children" is a perfectly fine term, unless you are writing and publishing in the APA style format which always requires person-first nomenclature. Thank you for your assistance  "Ned" <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://six3.jeremypost.com/images/2005-01-26.jpg" border="0" />

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zentraed

12-20-2005, 10:22 AM

quote:

So in order for people to earn a living salary, they should have to relocate to cheaper states.
It just doesnt make any sense.
They're asking for cost of living increases and to retain their current benefit situation as is.

 

If you're a Hollywood executive, you're not going to move to Louisiana. You either go where your skills are needed, or you get training for a position that is in demand where you are. Layoffs are a good thing in the long run (and so is outsourcing), as long as the workers are provided new training and offered job-finding assistance. I am all for fair working conditions and fair wages, but you when you strike over new hires having a raised retirement age, that's absolutely insane. Given their insanely low rates for benefits (1% of pay?), a new hire should easily be able to save up enough to bide them over a couple of years. 

We live in a global economy and very few industries are free from the competition that prevents janitors from making $40k/year. How many people in this thread expect to have the same job for 25 years?

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CaptClown

12-20-2005, 10:45 AM

quote: So in order for people to earn a living salary, they should have to relocate to cheaper states?It just doesnt make any sense.They're asking for cost of living increases and to retain their current benefit situation as is. It is their choice if they want to move down there or not. A lot of companies are moving there because it is better for their bottom line and jobs are moving with them. If you can't afford to live in NYC on 41K then it makes a lot of sense.They are asking for a bit more than that. What MTA was asking for wasn't that out of line. Wait a minute. What do I care? I live in the DC MEtro area and I have a car.  

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silera

12-20-2005, 11:03 AM

Yeah, I actually don't care either.  Fuck public transportation, I'm a Fancy person.

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Dirtybird12

12-20-2005, 11:08 AM

To the rest of the world - it just seems like New Yorkers are lazy and spoiled. Complaining about not being delivered around town. Get out of your little metal box and walk from time to time. Quit bitching. GAWWWD are you people ever happy?<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/drunk.gif" border="0" />

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12-20-2005, 11:08 AM

I really want to think that Unions still fight for the working man and woman, but being in Local 6 Hudson County Carpenters here in NJ for a few years and seeing our men get sold out for money really makes me think twice about how great Unions are.  They're only as good as the officials in charge, and more often than not it seems, they put their own interests ahead of the men.

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Kobe8

12-20-2005, 11:20 AM

quote: I'm a Fancy person.  Well lah-dee-dah! <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/kobe8sig/kobesig.jpg" border="0" /> Kobe Beef Cows are fed a diet enriched with beer and massaged lovingly by attendants in Kobe, Hyogo, Japan. If they throw in a happy ending, sign me up.

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CaptClown

12-20-2005, 11:32 AM

quote: Yeah, I actually don't care either.  Fuck public transportation, I'm a Fancy person. And that is why we all adore you. 

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FUNKMAN

12-20-2005, 11:33 AM

why is it that in these situations we are always informed of the union workers salary and benefits but we never hear of the management salaries, bonuses, and benefits?everytime there is a pro-sports strike you never hear of the profit a team makes and how much the management earns. most people get down on the players due to a figure they feel is excessive but they are not comparing it to what salaries management is earning?i heard Bloomberg speak and he is taking Managements side and wants the union workers to come back to work and the bargaining table. i say the union workers should return and put the ball in managements court and let's see how much they are willing to negotiate

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CaptClown

12-20-2005, 12:09 PM

quote: why is it that in these situations we are always informed of the union workers salary and benefits but we never hear of the management salaries, bonuses, and benefits?everytime there is a pro-sports strike you never hear of the profit a team makes and how much the management earns. most people get down on the players due to a figure they feel is excessive but they are not comparing it to what salaries management is earning?i heard Bloomberg speak and he is taking Managements side and wants the union workers to come back to work and the bargaining table. i say the union workers should return and put the ball in managements court and let's see how much they are willing to negotiateMmmmmmmmmm, because  managements contract isn't being renewed?  Director of the C.Y.A. Society. Field Marshal of the K.I.S.S. Army Poison Clan rocks the world

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12-20-2005, 12:12 PM

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12-20-2005, 12:15 PM

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stinkbud

12-20-2005, 12:23 PM

Has no one thought about the poor souls making a living giving metrocard swipes...looks like a sad christmas for these good folk. And what about the mole people??? With the subway system locked up, they won't be able to go in or out of their homes. If this thing lasts long, look for some dead stinky people in the tunnels.If this strike lasts till new years eve, NYC will be just insane. But, strangely, Times square would be strangely sane. Good luck driving if that happens.

FUNKMAN

12-20-2005, 12:25 PM

Mmmmmmmmmm, because  managements contract isn't being renewed?poor answer, may be true but still poor

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CaptClown

12-20-2005, 12:53 PM

poor answer, may be true but still poorHere's a few more:1.) Doctors and Orderlies are in the healthcare industry but don't get paid the same. Apples and Oranges.2.) Management doesn't usually get overtime (time and a half, double time, and holiday pay rates). They usually are just getting their salary and are comp'ed their time in vacation or bonuses(sp). So in theory and pratice you may make more than some managers in a company if you work alot of overtime.

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FUNKMAN

12-20-2005, 01:23 PM

Here's a few more:1.) Doctors and Orderlies are in the healthcare industry but don't get paid the same. Apples and Oranges.2.) Management doesn't usually get overtime (time and a half, double time, and holiday pay rates). They usually are just getting their salary and are comp'ed their time in vacation or bonuses(sp). So in theory and pratice you may make more than some managers in a company if you work alot of overtime.that's a little better...   So in theory and pratice you may make more than some managers in a company if you work alot of overtime.yeah, if you spend hundreds if not thousands of extra hours at the job and away from your family. there is a 'quality of life' issue here. and in my experience there are very few workers making much more than a 'few' managers. the 'majority' of managers make more with less time at the job.i'm not trying to bicker with you and appreciate your input.  it would be next to impossible to make points that would incorporate all areas of employment so i'm not gonna get into the healthcare system i think a few of the root causes of disparity in salaries and benefits are 'greed at the top level', the 'stock market requirements' (for corporate world) of 'continued' increases in profits. who makes the rule and laws on determining 'how much' profit is enough?  why do companies continue to reduce benefits and cost of living increases, outsource and layoff,  as they continue to make what seem to be good profits?in this MTA Strike i'd just like to know where all the money is going and how public opinion would be if they knew 'all' the financial information...

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asayresk

12-20-2005, 01:34 PM

you can flush your masters degree in the toilet. my opinion on the whole situation is that the MTA has a billion dollar surplus and I want to know where is all that money going? As a common man I feel the MTA is trying to screw the little man and should pay up or shut. As for Mayor Bloomberg why is he in office again. I hate the fact that he felt the need to walk across the bridge like he is a coomoner. Bloomberg don't insult the peoples intelligence use the limo like you usually do.

shodan

12-20-2005, 01:52 PM

What the fuck is with the Master's Degree comment?. I make less than 30,000 dollars a year and live in NYC. How can you get any more of a "common" man than that? Read my other posts and maybe you will see how I qualified my statement. I am curious, you tell me to flush my degree, so, in your mind, all people that are going back to school to get a better salary are wasting their time? Some of us don't have corrupt union leaders brokering higher salaries for us, we have to do it on our own. Here's a question, how much do you think that common man Roger Toussaint (sp?) makes a year? To all others, sorry for this rant, fighting on the internet is like bein in the Special Olympics, win or lose, your'e still retarded.

As for the MTA, I would get great pleasure out of giving a soap bar beating to every member of that board. Fuck those Pataki ass-lickers.

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Mike Teacher

12-20-2005, 02:07 PM

You think this is bad I heard Miami Commuter Planes went on strike yesterday and one pilot said 'fuck it, someone else fly this piece of shit' and pointed it right at the water.Too soon?

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shodan

12-20-2005, 02:20 PM

Alright, I just laughed out loud from that one

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CaptClown

12-20-2005, 03:33 PM

quote:  yeah, if you spend hundreds if not thousands of extra hours at the job and away from your family. there is a 'quality of life' issue here. and in my experience there are very few workers making much more than a 'few' managers. the 'majority' of managers make more with less time at the job.  The vast majority of managers aren't really making anymore than anyone else. Now if you are talking aabout VP's and above then that is a different story.  quote: i'm not trying to bicker with you and appreciate your input.  it would be next to impossible to make points that would incorporate all areas of employment so i'm not gonna get into the healthcare system.  No sweat.  quote: i think a few of the root causes of disparity in salaries and benefits are 'greed at the top level', the 'stock market requirements' (for corporate world) of 'continued' increases in profits. who makes the rule and laws on determining 'how much' profit is enough?  why do companies continue to reduce benefits and cost of living increases, outsource and layoff,  as they continue to make what seem to be good profits?  <img title="The answer" height="225" alt="The answer" src="http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/michaeldouglaswallstreetcolor.JPG" width="419" border="0" />Ask Gordon Gecko. http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechwallstreet.html   quote: in this MTA Strike i'd just like to know where all the money is going and how public opinion would be if they knew 'all' the financial information...  The vast mojority of the people affected by the strike will be poor people who depend on Mass Transit so they aren't going to be too happy with either side.  Director of the C.Y.A. Society. Field Marshal of the K.I.S.S. Army Poison Clan rocks the world

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Bulldogcakes

12-20-2005, 03:58 PM

quote:why
is it that in these situations we are always informed of the union
workers salary and benefits but we never hear of the management
salaries, bonuses, and benefits?everytime there is a pro-sports
strike you never hear of the profit a team makes and how much the
management earns. most people get down on the players due to a figure
they feel is excessive but they are not comparing it to what salaries
management is earning? Because we're Americans, not Europeans. Let me explain my point w/a quick story.
Man and his son walking down the street in (France, England, etc) and
he sees a limosine drive by. So he says to his son "Look at that greedy
capitalist pig! Getting rich on the working mans labor!"Man and
his son walking down the street in America and he sees a limosine drive
by. So he says to his son "You know son, maybe that could be you
someday" One
of my main problems with many unions is their #1 product seems to
always be acrimony, gripes and grievances. And in order to succeed in
the marketplace, you need to make the best product or service. To do
that, everyone needs to be pulling in the same direction. Not
infighting, which leads to crappy products and services. If you
succeed, they'll be plenty to go around. If you fight amongst each
other, you'll fail.  
   quote:i heard Bloomberg speak and he is taking
Managements side and wants the union workers to come back to work and
the bargaining table. i say the union workers should return and put the
ball in managements court and let's see how much they are willing to
negotiate 

 Actually, I took that
to mean he's on the side of New Yorkers, and I'm glad SOMEBODY is. The
MTA and the Union certainly dont give a shit. 

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12-20-2005, 04:00 PM

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12-20-2005, 04:16 PM

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shodan

12-20-2005, 04:44 PM

The TWU fucked up big time, their parent union has condemned the strike.

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Bulldogcakes

12-20-2005, 04:46 PM

Yeah, I already posted that in the other strike thread. 

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12-20-2005, 05:00 PM

quote: I have sympathy for unions I have sympathy for the devil............woo-ooh!

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12-20-2005, 05:00 PM

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12-20-2005, 05:01 PM

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12-20-2005, 05:04 PM

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12-20-2005, 05:06 PM

Not for less than twenty bucks!!

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12-20-2005, 05:06 PM

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12-20-2005, 05:06 PM

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TheMojoPin

12-20-2005, 06:22 PM

Wait, why IS there two threads about this?I'm getting slow.Er.

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