05/06 MLB Offseason Transaction Thread #2 [Archive]

spoon

12-18-2005, 08:14 PM

Since the old one just doesn't want to work, I started up a new one.First off, Nomar is off to LA to play for the Dodgers. Second, it looks like Tejada really wants out of Baltimore and there have been many teams interested.  The latest push has come from Mojo's Cubs and my Jays.  It'll cost whatever team that does get him (if it happens at all) at least a prospect pitcher and prospect shortstop.  Clearly the O's in rebuild mode now, but would they trade him to the Sox or Jays in the division?  I doubt it, but the Jays surely have a ton of pitching prospects and an abundance of now cheap infield prospects (two at short, Russ Adams and Aaron Hill). 

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spoon

12-20-2005, 08:08 AM

Washburn to Seattle and Pierzynski stays in Chicago.Yanks going hard for Dotel.

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Snoogans

12-20-2005, 08:24 AM

You guys will bring back Joe Carter before you get Tejada 

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spoon

12-20-2005, 12:37 PM

Looks like the Yanks got Dotel, not the Mets.  Also, Pedro's toe still f'd up and he might not be able to pitch in the upcoming national tourney.  This has to worry Met fans since he's been resting the toe for three f'in months now.    Some more rumors:The St. Paul Pioneer-Press reports that the Jays may be interested in signing C/1B Matt LeCroy … The Philadelphia Daily News reports that Toronto may be about to make a play for Phillies OF Pat Burrell … The NY Post reports that the Mets may be interested in trading for RP Miguel Batista. The Boston Herald reports that INF Tony Graffanino will likely remain with the Red Sox … The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Coco Crisp-to-Boston talks are cooling off … As a result, the Sox may step up their efforts to acquire CF Jeremy Reed from the Mariners. This according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer … The Boston Herald reports that the Sox have at least some interest in 1B Travis Lee, 1B J.T. Snow and INF Alex Gonzalez … The St. Paul Pioneer-Press reports that the Sox also have interest in signing C/1B/DH Matt LeCroy. The Chicago Tribune reports that a contract extension for SP Jose Contreras is a distinct possibility … The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram reports that the White Sox are willing to trade SP Jon Garland, but the asking price is high … The Boston Herald names the White Sox as being among the teams in pursuit of Baltimore SS Miguel Tejada … The Sox have avoided arbitration with C A.J. Pierzynski by signing him to a three-year, $15MM contract. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that Time-Warner has put the team up for sale … The Braves have missed out in their bid to bring back RP Rudy Seanez. Seanez has inked a one-year deal with the Red Sox.The Minneapolis Star-Tribune reports that the Cubs are interested in signing OF Jacque Jones … The Boston Herald reports that the Cubs, Red Sox and White Sox still have interest in trading for Baltimore SS Miguel Tejada. The LA Times reports that the Padres have interest in signing SP Brett Tomko … The NY Post reports that San Diego may have low-level interest in dealing for Mets 2B Kaz Matsui. 

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cougarjake13

12-20-2005, 01:23 PM

please god let the padres take kaz, i dont even care who we get back for himDotel signing with the yankees should work out as long as they do with him what they did with Lieber and let him fully heal.

TheMojoPin

12-20-2005, 03:52 PM

<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5185442" target="_self">Jim Hendry is a complete and utter moron.</a>Jacque fucking Jones for 3 years and $15 million?I give up.

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Bulldogcakes

12-20-2005, 04:31 PM

quote:Dotel signing with the yankees should work out as long as they do with him what they did with Lieber and let him fully heal.

 Exactly. Plus if I
remember correctly, he was REAL good as a set up man in Houston, but
not so good as a closer. He's a mid season hopeful for some 7th or 8th
inning help. I like them stocking up arms. Some will pan out, some
wont. Like every other year. I hope they leave a little room
for Leiter, who said the Yanks are one of the only teams he'd come back
to play for. And yes, out of the bullpen. 

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spoon

12-21-2005, 03:26 PM

It's amazing how quick the team with the big hole flipped over night from the Yanks to the Sox.  Now we have to say, who the fuck will play center for Boston?  They also don't have a lead off hitter anywhere in the lineup.  Not looking good Beantown.

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12-21-2005, 03:30 PM

You might not like the addition to the Yanks H, but this hurts Boston bigtime!  They just lost most of their identity, a great leadoff hitter, and a pretty good fielding (not throwing) player.  This was a two-fold move by the yanks, and only time will tell how much it will hurt the Sox.  Right now, there's a gaping wound in center over night. I also saw that every position player but Cano makes over $10 million for the Yanks.  That's a fucking joke.  When you add in what they pay their starting pitchers and bullpen, one has to laugh that they don't win every year.  Dumb yankee cunts.

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HBox

12-21-2005, 03:33 PM

I highly doubt Leiter is coming back. The roster is already full of pitchers, they have Myers and Villone as lefties, and if one of them sturggles or is injured they can try out Matt Smith from the minors.

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cougarjake13

12-21-2005, 04:12 PM

ponson signed with the cardinals he might actually do well with that lineup behind him<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5187048">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5187048</a> also with all their recent moves ( garciaparra, mueller, grady little, derek lowe last year ) i think the dodgers should rename themselves the L.A. west Red Sox of Los Angeles

HBox

12-22-2005, 10:31 AM

<a target="_blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2268670">Lawton explains his steroid use.</a>I can't remember exactly, and I don't feel like looking, but I believe that is just what Mojo said in a previous post. If so, big kudos to him. <a target="_blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2268670"></a>

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TheMojoPin

12-22-2005, 11:03 AM

"It was such a stupid thing, but I was desperate," Lawton told Sports Weekly. "Maybe it was the pressure of playing in New York, I don't know. I never had the urge to take any of that stuff before, but I was talking to some guys, and they guaranteed it would get the pain out."Holy crap, that's pretty much EXACTLY what I said.  I AM THE SEER OF BASEBALL!It does kinda make sense when you think about it.  Maybe players on teams like the Red Sox or the Yankees deserve extra attention because of the high pressure nature of where they play...it can drive these goofballs to try stupid things.

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Snoogans

12-22-2005, 11:08 AM

the lineup doesnt help a pitcher not suck, its not like pnsons loses with an era around 3 or somethin 

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12-22-2005, 11:17 AM

Here's what I actually said...And look, I'm no Yankees fan, I'll say that off the bat, but is it much of a stretch to assume this only started after he signed up with NY?  Think about it...sudden high pressure spot on a HUGE dynasty team with a rabid fan base...guy's slowing sliding his career down out of the league...maybe he just cracked.  I'm not even saying that someone on the Yankees got him on it...maybe just being on the Yankees period pushed him to it.And just so I'm not posting only to inflate my ego even more, here's some wacky Cubs trade rumors...The player I think now most likely to be traded now is Matt Murton, either in a deal for <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/abreubo01.shtml">Bobby Abreu</a> or in a deal for <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/tejadmi01.shtml">Miguel Tejada</a>. That’s why Hendry felt he had to jump on <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jonesja04.shtml">Jacque Jones</a> before Jones went elsewhere.I think ideally Hendry wants Dusty to play Jones in LF, where his below average arm is less of a negative factor. And Hendry would probably want to acquire a stud middle-of-the-order run producer to hit between Lee and Ramirez, with Jones hitting 6th (or at least 5th against RHP, or 6th against LHP).  Hendry must knows by now what it would take to do it, and that he thinks he now has the offer it would take to get either Miguel Tejada or Bobby Abreu. It probably starts with Matt Murton, and would include other players like <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willije02.shtml">Jerome Williams</a> and Ronny Cedeno (if it’s a deal for Tejada) or Rich Hill (if it’s a deal for Bobby Abreu). I suspect <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/z/zitoba01.shtml">Barry Zito</a> would be part of a deal for Abreu, and that Hendry has that part already in place. Remember, if the Cubs acquire Tejada or Abreu and pay all of the player’s salary (minus Barry Zito’s salary), the Orioles and Phillies would have money left over to either sign (although most of the better FAs are already gone) or make a deal for a replacement run producer.If acquiring Barry Zito is crucial to getting Abreu and possibly even as part of a deal for Tejada, the Cubs are in a good position to make Oakland a tempting offer. If you look at what Oakland took back for <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hudsoti01.shtml">Tim Hudson</a> (<a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cruzju02.shtml">Juan Cruz</a>, Dan Meyer, and <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/thomach01.shtml">Charles Thomas</a>) and <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/muldema01.shtml">Mark Mulder</a> (Dan Haren, <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/calerki01.shtml">Kiko Calero</a>, and Daric Barton), trading Barry Zito to the Cubs for Matt Murton, Rich Hill, and either <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wuertmi01.shtml">Michael Wuertz</a>, <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/n/novoaro01.shtml">Roberto Novoa</a>, or Jerome Williams would be a very similar type deal, certainly a better package than what they got back from Atlanta for Hudson. And then the Cubs could trade Zito and Felix Pie to the Phillies to get Abreu, or Zito, Pie, and Cedeno to the Orioles to get Tejada. The Phillies and Orioles could use the $5m differential in 2006 salaries between Abreu and Zito or Tejada and Zito to acquire a replacement run producer.To recap, Phil is suggesting:  * Trade Matt Murton, Rich Hill, and one of Wuertz, Novoa or Williams to the A’s for Barry ZitoThen,* Trade Zito and Felix Pie to the Phillies for Bobby Abreu OR trade Zito, Pie and Ronnie Cedeno to the Orioles for Miguel TejadaI'm not for trading Prior or Zambrano.  Z's a fucking workhorse, and Prior's DL stints have been the result of freakish accidents, not consistent injuries due to pitching motion or something similar.  I'd h

HBox

12-22-2005, 12:16 PM

What I love most about Octavio Dotel is that he REALLY REALLY likes winning.<img width="507" height="600" border="0" src="http://kr.img.dc.yahoo.com/b2/data/news/ef/1105662217_28_Octabio_Dotel.jpg" /> 

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cougarjake13

12-22-2005, 12:30 PM

quote: the lineup doesnt help a pitcher not suck, its not like pnsons loses with an era around 3 or somethin <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Snoogans194" border="0" /> GO SAWX!!!!! Hassan Eats Dick!!! Snoogans 1, Monitor 0 GIMMIE MY FUCKIN CHANGE, I AINT PLAYIN WIT YOU true but they could score enough runs to offset his shitty era, plus maybe dave duncan can help him out, i believe he's still the pitching coach

Bulldogcakes

12-22-2005, 03:16 PM

quote: I'd have no
problem seeing Wood go, but his trade value is zippy since he hasn't
pitched since his last surgery (which was complication-free, for once),
and he has a no-trade clause which makes it highly unlikely he'd go. 
Why do fans always think
this way? I'd give you a healthy Mike Mussina for a banged up Kerry
Wood. The Yanks have 6 starters going into the season, and no dominant
pitchers for a short playoff series. I'd let Wood sit until September
if I had to, then have him blow away the league in the playoffs.  Anytime Mojo.  

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HBox

12-22-2005, 04:05 PM

I'd love to know who the "some guys" were who told Lawton about the roids. I'd hope they weren't on the team, but they probably were. 

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12-22-2005, 04:53 PM

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Bulldogcakes

12-22-2005, 04:56 PM

OK Yankees!
You want to take Damon? Ha! We'll take . . . John . . Flaherty. . .oh
fuck, we're doomed. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2269236) 

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12-22-2005, 05:16 PM

Link (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/mlb/mlbrumors.html) <a href="http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-051221mitchell,1,1670882.column?coll=cs-home-utility">
Cubs could swap Prior for Tejada</a> 
December 22 

Chicago Tribune (scroll down) (registration required):
"More than one source has claimed the Cubs dangled pitcher Mark Prior
in multiteam trade talks that would land them premier Baltimore
shortstop Miguel Tejada and eventually send Prior to a team in the
American League West. " 


<a href="http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-051221rogers,1,7257490.column?coll=cs-cubs-headlines">
Cubs may not be done dealing</a> 
December 22 

Chicago Tribune (scroll down) (registration required):
"The Cubs ought to be willing to give up Zambrano to get Tejada,
especially if they still can add a free-agent starter (Kevin Millwood,
Jeff Weaver or Brett Tomko would do)."
 


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TheMojoPin

12-22-2005, 08:23 PM

Nooooooooooooo!Prior is way too young to give up on...guys like him and Zambrano can anchor a team's pitching for a decade, and they should in Chicago.  The Cubs have plenty of choice prospects, pitching and otherwise that they should be able to use to grab a guy like Zito who could then be traded for Tejada.  And using Matt Murton as one of those trade baits makes the "Jack" Jones signing make a LOT more sense, since Jones would end up playing LF, where his offense and weaker arm fits a lot more than RF.  Of course, that opens up the ugly rumor of Corey Patterson as the starting RFer.  GAAAAAAH!!!

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12-23-2005, 05:03 PM

<a href="http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-051221rogers,1,7257490.column?coll=cs-cubs-headlines">Cubs may not be done dealing</a> December 22 Chicago Tribune (scroll down) (registration required): "The Cubs ought to be willing to give up Zambrano to get Tejada, especially if they still can add a free-agent starter (Kevin Millwood, Jeff Weaver or Brett Tomko would do)."   yeh because Millwood, Weaver, or Tomko are as good as having Prior... If I were the cubs I wouldnt make this deal, i would find another way to get it done but you cant trade away a good and possibly great pitcher when the entire league is hurting for good young quality pitching

Snoogans

12-23-2005, 06:02 PM

no but millwood or one of the others AND tejada is as good as prior and is sissy elbow 

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cougarjake13

12-23-2005, 06:11 PM

tomko signed with the dodgers so he's out and why give up on prior when you could prob get tejada without giving him up

Snoogans

12-23-2005, 06:12 PM

cause prior is a fag 

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cougarjake13

12-23-2005, 06:29 PM

well i guess i cant bet that argument

TheMojoPin

12-23-2005, 08:16 PM

quote: cause prior is a fag <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Snoogans194" border="0" /> GO SAWX!!!!! Hassan Eats Dick!!! Snoogans 1, Monitor 0 GIMMIE MY FUCKIN CHANGE, I AINT PLAYIN WIT YOUWhat's with the "sissy elbow" shit?  Dude fucked it up when he got NAILED BY A LINE DRIVE.And yeah, there's no reason the Cubs would have to give up Prior for Tejada if they're smart.

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Snoogans

12-23-2005, 08:50 PM

Fine, if you want a pitcher who makes 10 really nasty starts and 5 getting his feel back comin off the DL. 

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12-24-2005, 02:59 AM

<h1>Jays would get Glaus, prospect for Batista, Hudson</h1>
 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2270112)Sounds like its close to done. I'm surprised GM JP
Ricciardi is giving up Hudson, who I thought he loved. But I guess that
was just posturing. The one thing I thought the Jays still needed was
some more pop, now they'd have it. With a healthy Halladay, and the Red
Sox in disarray, you'd have to put them above the Red Sox at this point
and maybe the wild card favorite.  Sox
fans-With the loss of Damon, do the Sox acceleerate their rebuilding
mode? And what does that mean for Manny? More likely/less to be
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cougarjake13

12-24-2005, 05:27 AM

with the offseason pickups of beckett it wouldnt seem like a rebuild mode but i think if they want to go that way (rebuild) then manny will be traded and he will prob get traded either way just to get him out of boston so they wont have to deal with his manny being manny shitalso they trying to sign millwood 

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spoon

12-24-2005, 12:28 PM

JP does like Hudson, but he has to trade something to get a big bat.  Also, th Jays have a shitload of MLB infielders so a trade for a 3rd baseman has to include an infielder.  I just think Koskie would have been better, but I doubt they would have taken the deal.  It seems JP will not trade his other blue chip pitching prospects without a huge return.  Hudson is going to cost the Jays a lot more money soon, so they were really likely to trade him bc they have his replacement (Hill) ready and they need that money for a big bat.  However, slick fielding infielders are going to be huge this year in Toronto bc they have a lot of ground ball pitchers.

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12-26-2005, 09:25 PM

Sox fans-With the loss of Damon, do the Sox acceleerate their rebuilding mode? And what does that mean for Manny? More likely/less to be traded? Start Adam Stern.  He's good on defense but needs to work on the hitting.If nobody wanted Manny during the winter meetings, maybe he'll now put his menopause on hold and stick around for one more year.

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12-27-2005, 03:12 PM

if this rumored trade is real then baltimore should do it without hesitationbalt gets prior and zitocubs get tejadaoakland gets erik bedard<a href="http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/ladewski/x27-lad1.htm">http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/ladewski/x27-lad1.htm</a>

TheMojoPin

12-27-2005, 07:23 PM

quote: if this rumored trade is real then baltimore should do it without hesitationbalt gets prior and zitocubs get tejadaoakland gets erik bedard<a href="http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/ladewski/x27-lad1.htm">http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/ladewski/x27-lad1.htm</a>If that rumored trade is real, Cubs fans should storm the Tribune offices and skin Jim Hendry alive.  The ONLY way I tolerate a deal like this is if the Cubs get Bedard and Tejada, and they send some Cub prospects to Oakland. 

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spoon

12-27-2005, 09:24 PM

Congrats to my Blue Jays!  Now we have two third basemen, three first basemen and no natural two-bagger!  Koskie, Glaus, Hillenbrand, Hinske and Overbay are all corner infielders.  5 players, 3 positions if you include DH.  Expect more moves from the Jays. 

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12-28-2005, 01:28 PM

quote:if this rumored trade is real then baltimore should do it without hesitationbalt gets prior and zitocubs get tejadaoakland gets erik bedard Source this for me please? The
deal makes no sense on any level. Why do a 3 team deal if you're
basically trading Prior for Tejada and Zito for Bedard? Why would
Oakland do this now as opposed to closer to the trade deadline? Eric
Bedard for Zito is a steal, and Billy Beane's no dummy.  


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cougarjake13

12-28-2005, 01:42 PM

see the linky under the trade proposal

spoon

12-28-2005, 01:48 PM

Actually the WFAN was just talking about new rumors of Tejada and Clement being swapped, among others, between the O's and Boston.  If this does go, it would be one hell of an Intra-division blockbuster.  I've also heard Manny/Heillman rumors as well.

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12-28-2005, 01:50 PM

Clement for Tejada? If that happens, I'm going to go down to the MLB offices to protest personally. Has the Baltimore GM experienced any head trauma lately? 

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spoon

12-28-2005, 01:54 PM

H, that's not all the names as prospects will obviously be included if this deal has any legs.  Yet it's just one of the fifty rumors surrounding Tejada.  The same shit can be said about Manny.  Truth be told, I think both teams realize they can't trade these guys and get equal value so they are creating a lot of hype with no real meaning.  I won't be surprised at all if both these cats are back with their respective teams.

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12-28-2005, 01:55 PM

There's a zillion rumors out there. I'll believe it when I see it. 

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12-28-2005, 01:56 PM

Does anyone give two shits about this world baseball classic?  I know I don't.In other news, Garland reups with Chi for 3 years/29 million.

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12-28-2005, 02:00 PM

quote: Does anyone give two shits about this world baseball classic?  I know I don't. Why not?  It sure as hell beats spring training. 

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12-28-2005, 02:03 PM

Smart move by the Chisox. He's 26, and was due to be a free agent next
year. If he has another good year this year he could have got more $
and years on the open market next year. Thats how the Indians kept the
good teams they had in the late 90's together, by signing them before
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12-28-2005, 02:05 PM

quote:quote: Does anyone give two shits about this world baseball classic? I know I don't. Why not? It sure as hell beats spring training. 

 
 Check out the lineup for the Dominican team. Its unreal.  
<table width="750" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="1" border="0" class="border1">
<tr><td>Alfonseca, Antonio</td><td> 
</td><td>FLA</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Belliard, Ronnie</td><td>CLE</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Beltre, Adrian</td><td>SEA</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Brito, Eude</td><td>PHI</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Brito, Juan</td><td> 
</td><td>(ARI - 2004)</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Cabrera, Daniel</td><td>BAL</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Cano, Robinson</td><td>NYY</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Castillo, Alberto</td><td> 
</td><td>(OAK - 2005)</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Colome, Jesus</td><td>TB</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Colon, Bartolo</td><td>LAA</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Cordero, Francisco</td><td>TEX</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Feliz, Pedro</td><td>SF</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>German, Franklyn</td><td>DET</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Guerrero, Vladimir</td><td>LAA</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Martinez, Pedro</td><td>NYM</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Mesa, Jose</td><td>COL</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Ortiz, David</td><td>BOS</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Pena, Wily Mo</td><td>CIN</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Perez, Neifi</td><td>CHI</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Polanco, Placido</td><td>DET</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Pujols, Albert</td><td>STL</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Ramirez, Manny</td><td>BOS</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Rodriguez, Felix</td><td> 
</td><td>NYY</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Sanchez, Duaner</td><td>LAD</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Soriano, Alfonso</td><td>WAS</td><td> 
</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr class="bg4"><td>Tavarez, Julian</td><td> 
</td><td>STL</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr><td>Tejada, Miguel</td></tr>
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cougarjake13

12-28-2005, 02:13 PM

is the baseball classic in place of some spring training games ??? before spring training ??? or after it and before the season starts ??

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12-28-2005, 02:13 PM

Does anyone give two shits about this world baseball classic?  I know I don't.I was really looking forward to it after it was announced this summer.Then there was Alex Rodriguez deciding he wanted to play for the Domincan team, then being told he'll be playing for the American team.Then the Yanks block Jorge Posada from playing for Puerto Rico.Then I hear that Cuba is going to be excluded (is this still true...or was it ever?).Now I read this morning that Hideki Matsui won't be playing for Japan.  Their biggest name will be Sadahara Oh...only he'll be the manager.At this point I don't think I'll give a shit, but when it rolls around & there's nothing else on TV but two hockey games per week & more awful college basketball than I can hide from, I'm sure I'll be watching.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=spe5150" border="0" />

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spoon

12-28-2005, 02:17 PM

Let's do a little math since a lot of the Yank fans and haters are on right now.  Last year the Yanks and Boston ended up with 95 wins, while the Jays finished just under .500 at 80.  Let's analyze our teams and come up with the addition of wins and or losses based on player additions and performance issues from year to year.For the Jays, they added a good pitcher (Burnett), a good closer (Ryan) and Halladay and Lilly will complete a whole year healthy and effectively.  On offense, they added one power bat (Glaus) and another moderate power/ good on base percentage/average hitter in Overbay.  However, they lost a great clubhouse guy/gold-glover in Hudson, and a fill in closer in Batista.  Overall, Halladay and Lilly healthy have to be worth 6-8 more wins, while the Jays lost a decent amount of games late due to a below average closer so that's got to be worth another 5-7 games.  The removal of the station to station scoring burden that the Jays suffered through last year is very much diminished with the likes of Glaus, Overbay, a healthy Koskie and Wells getting lineup protection now.  So this has to be worth another 5 games.  So right now I have the Jays plus 16-20 games.  However, the loss of a great clubhouse leader and slick fielder with a huge range factor has to be worth a loss, especially since they now start two really young kids in the middle of the infield (Adams and Hill).  Hudson alone had saved a few of the games I saw last year.  So this has to be a loss of around 5 games as well.  Chaucin now being the 4th/5th starter also means easier matchups but I'm sure it will be tough for him to match his great rookie season so I'll tack this up as a wash.  So if all works out the way I'm estimating, the Jays should add about 11-16 wins next year.  I think this is pretty reasonable as long as the injury bug stays away for the most part.  So I'd be content with a 91-96 win season from the Jays.  Hopefully it'll be enough for them to get in the playoffs or even win the AL East, but Damon will help the Yanks a ton as well.

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cougarjake13

12-28-2005, 02:18 PM

last i heard cuba was not allowed to play but mlb was petitioning to get them in

Bulldogcakes

12-28-2005, 02:18 PM

What else are you gonna watch in March, the Knicks? I dont do College anything, so that's out. I'll be watching. 

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spoon

12-28-2005, 02:22 PM

Yah, Cuba's still out.  Sorry Mojo, but Crip makes the argument for me as it just doesn't matter.  I'll be watching hockey I'm sure as March just doesn't spark baseball magic for me.  It just seems so forced.

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cougarjake13

12-28-2005, 02:24 PM

this will be my first year living in florida during spring training so i might go check out a few spring training sitesbut i will also watch college basketball but prob not until the sweet 16

Bulldogcakes

12-28-2005, 02:30 PM

I think the Yanks are built well for the regular season, but not for
the playoffs. Dont have any stud pitchers I can count on for 2 wins in
a short series. But they have a solid rotation, a rebuilt bullpen
finally, a very diificult lineup to pitch to. Yanks win 95, should be
enough for 1st in the AL east. I think the Jays are the wild card as
things stand right now. I thought they were tough but beatable last
year, they've added what they needed to add (a closer and a power bat)
so I think they've bridged the gap. Funny thing is, if Schilling and
Beckett are healthy, they'd be very tough in the playoffs. But I dont
think they get there this year. The Chisox had a magic season last
year, thats tough to duplicate, especially with the up and coming
Indians breathing down their necks. Indians take the Central. I want to
take the Angels in the west, but I was amazed how fast Oakland got back
in the mix after unloading last year. Oakland does what Oakland always
does, starts slow then puts up the best record in Baseball in the
second half. Oakland in the West. 

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12-28-2005, 02:43 PM

If the Jays can get to the playoffs they'd be very tough with Halladay, Burnett, Lilly, Chaucin, Towers (the #4 would probably be between the last two mentioned).  They also have a dam good bullpen, especially with the addition of a closer.  If all works out right, the Jays will acquire a power hitting corner outfielder for some of our corner infielders and or prospects.  It could be the extra push that keeps them in the Yankee's hair and possibly knock them into the wild card.Yankee questions:Which Johnson will show up?  He's old as shit now and as the season progresses will he get even worse?Can Wang keep his shoulder healthy?  Dangerous injury that always seems to win in the end.Will Small even be close to what he was last year?  I doubt this one.Will Chacon become the #2 starter?  I think he will as either Johnson or Mussina will fall below him in the rotation as Chacon was rock solid last year.Can Wright and Pavano get it going again?  I think this will wash the loss of Small and Wang's production last year as these two should rebound pretty well.  I hope they don't, but I think they will.The addition a Damon will help the offensive lineup and patrolling the gaps in the outfield since both Matsui and Shef have limited range.  This is a huge additon on the year. The Yankee lineup is crazy scary, but can ARod duplicate his season last year?  I vote yes since he always puts up those numbers year after year.  However, I think this is the year Mo shows he's human.  Will Farnsworth have to close a few?  Eventually it's going to happen, so will he fall off this year and create panic in Yankee land?  Will he sustain an injury?  If this happens, can Farnsworth step in?  I doubt he'll be anywhere close to as effective as the best closer in history.  Perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself though.  Bottom line, it will be interesting.  

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12-28-2005, 03:07 PM

Here's a few interesting notes on free agents: <table class="floatLeft" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" border="0"><tr><td><a name="b_molina"><img src="http://mlb.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/134260.jpg" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134260">C Bengie Molina, Angels</a> Dec. 22 -- The former Angel is next up on the catcher carousel, and may benefit from hefty recent deals gained by Ramon Hernandez (Orioles) and Jason LaRue (Reds). The free agent's player agent, Alan Nero, confirmed that the Blue Jays have shown interest in the catcher, according to the Toronto Globe and Mail. Nero noted that around six teams have contacted him about Molina and that a deal probably won't happen until January. Toronto's new pitching acquistions are one of the selling points that is attracting the catcher to the Jays. <table class="floatLeft" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" border="0"><tr><td><a name="r_clemens"><img src="http://mlb.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/112388.jpg" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=112388">RHP Roger Clemens, Astros</a> Dec. 16 -- Clemens said Thursday night that he will consider four teams if he decides to pitch in 2006: the Red Sox, Astros, Yankees and Rangers. He also said that he was fine with the Astros' decision to not offer him arbitration. Randy Hendricks, Clemens' agent, told the Boston Globe that he believes the Red Sox are "very serious about his client" and "would seriously listen to them." Hendricks told the paper that Clemens is considering the idea of playing a partial season to balance family demands in Texas.<table class="floatLeft" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" border="0"><tr><td><a name="a_gonzalez"><img src="http://mlb.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/136460.jpg" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=136460">SS Alex Gonzalez, Marlins</a> Dec. 16 -- The Boston Globe reported that Red Sox sources say the team is still considering Gonzalez as a candidate to fill their shortstop void. <table class="floatLeft" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" border="0"><tr><td><a name="k_brown"><img src="http://mlb.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/111554.jpg" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=111554">RHP Kevin Brown, Yankees</a> Nov. 2 -- Is this the end of the line for the right-hander? With his seven-year, $105 million contract finally over, Brown will likely have to take a Minor League deal if he wants to play in 2006. Brown has had major health issues in the past two years, making a total of 35 starts for the Yankees. He will be 41 by Opening Day, which he may be watching from his couch in Georgia. 

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12-28-2005, 03:09 PM

Bottom line, it will be interesting.That's about the best way to describe the AL East right now.  No one knows how all the new parts will perform for the Yanks.  More troubling, no one knows how any of the old parts will work either.No one knows just how good the Jays will be.And there's so many rumors swirling around the Sawx, no one knows what the hell they'll even look like by the time pitchers & catchers report (in approximately 50-55 days, by the way, depending on your team of choice).

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Snoogans

12-28-2005, 04:08 PM

Hendricks told the paper that Clemens is considering the idea of playing a partial season to balance family demands in Texas. Biggest bullshit ever. Either play, or dont play, but we dont need someone partially committed to helping this team win 

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12-28-2005, 08:15 PM

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spoon

12-28-2005, 10:17 PM

Looks like Koskie is the odd man out in Toronto and is being pushed in trades all over since the Glaus signing.

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12-28-2005, 10:18 PM

I never understood that signing in the first place. He stinks. 

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12-28-2005, 10:34 PM

They knew they needed some power bad last year and he was the only person who fit the bill and price tag.  He's a great fielding 3rd baseman and will it around 25 HRs per year.  He broke a bone in his hand that kept him out most of the year.  Just a bad break.  Hopefully he'll help us land a power hitting outfielder.  I'm sure it'll cost us more then Koskie, but he'll help keep the prospect price tag down. <img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> It's like a koala bear crapped a rainbow in my brain!

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HBox

12-28-2005, 10:39 PM

He hit 25 HRs twice in 6 years with the Twins. And his BA was on a decline, he's a .250 hitter now. They must have been REALLY desperate.That being said, I'd try to keep him as a backup and trade Hinske, who is a Koskie clone except he can't field. 

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spoon

12-28-2005, 10:52 PM

Koskie is also an Canadian and I think that had some play in the issue.  Even though I agree with you on the Koskie/Hinske issue, Hinske will be happy adding to the team any way they ask.  Koskie wants to play every day and at 3rd.  He won't be happy getting an occasional DH/3rd base start and surely won't try a stint in right field.  Hinske will be up for this and hopes to get his bat going.  He started to show this toward the end of last year and he does have pretty good speed believe it or not.  Koskie is a very good fielder though and he'll be a loss.  Now the Jays have probably lost their two best fielding infielders, but added pop to the batting lineup and protection to Hillenbrand and Wells.  Overbay is however a fielding upgrade at first which is key since Adams at short has throwing issues.  Hill should be fine at 2nd, but he's no Hudson.  

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12-29-2005, 03:28 PM

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<h1><a target="blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2274632">D.C. mayor working hard to save stadium deal</a></h1>
 
 quote:for Mayor Anthony A. Williams, the last week of the year basically amounts to the longest. 
Williams,
whose biggest claim to fame as mayor of the District of Columbia might
be recruiting the Washington Nationals, is working frenetically to save
the former Montreal Expos from another relocation.
The problem
with keeping the Nationals involves a complex web of issues: timing,
politics and money. Also, the city's tense relationship with the Major
League Baseball establishment.
Weeks before a possible D.C.
Council vote on a new stadium lease, Williams said Thursday he will use
the time to negotiate with Major League Baseball and with council
members.
This issue was supposed to have been settled in a
council vote this month, but Williams postponed that showdown when it
became clear the stadium lease probably would be defeated. The main
complaint: likely huge cost overruns. Initial estimates had a stadium
deal involving an investment of $535 million, but now those are up to
well over $660 million.
   
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12-29-2005, 10:55 PM

What a joke. You elect clowns like this, then you deserve what you get. I said the same thing all through the Barry years.

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12-30-2005, 04:07 AM

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cougarjake13

12-31-2005, 06:26 AM

he's (dotel)  better then alan embree and thats all he needs to be if he comes back this season and he did okay when he was with the mets so he should be able to handle the pressure

cougarjake13

01-01-2006, 06:22 AM

manny to the mets may be back onfull trade details<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5208404">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5208404</a>

Bulldogcakes

01-01-2006, 07:15 AM

So the Mets give upKris Benson, Kaz Matsui, Hielman, Jay Seoand they getManny Ramirez and Danys BaezI think they're giving up a little too much pitching. If there's some prospects thrown in it might make more sense. 


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01-01-2006, 08:15 AM

yeh i agree they would give up too much pitching in that deal currently as it iswe cant give up benson and seo both who are prob in our rotation right now and heilman who has pitched well as a 8th inning reliever, although baez would replace and may be an upgrade over heilman but that would leave a hole in our rotation

spoon

01-01-2006, 11:15 PM

Hands down, I'd take make this deal.  They can't give Kaz away and now they sox are willing to pick him up (and his salary??) to play short???  So in essence, it's Manny+Baez+dumping Kaz and salary, for Benson (a guy the Mets have constantly been trying to move/possible clubhouse cancer and definate crazy wife), Heilman (let's face it, he's really not proven with one year of decent relief) and Jay Seo (did finish last year with some amazing stuff).  But hey, Baez replacing Heilman is indeed an upgrade.  In fact, he's a great insurance plan in case Wagner goes down since he's been a very effective closer for a very shitty team.  Imagine his stats if the Rays were in more games.  Seo only pitched 90 innings last year and isn't exactly going to dominate batters with his subpar fastball.  Sure the all three pitchers are above average based on last years stats, but you have to give up something to get Manny and a very good pitcher.  If it's real, it should have been done already. I think this trade does work for all teams involved.  Boston get a great replacement for Manny's bat and a good SS in Tejada.  They also fill a big need in Center and the leadoff spot in the batting order with Gathright. (Lose Manny who wants out and Marte who's behind Lowell) The O's get a decent SS in Lugo and a good starting pitcher in Benson. (Lose Tejada who wants out) While the Rays get uber prospect Marte (3rd), Seo (Young Starting Pitcher), Heilman (Young Starting/Relief Pitcher) and shitty Kaz.  They lose a backup outfielder in Gathright, a good closer Baez, and a decent SS in Lugo.  It seems the Rays are getting too much, but they might hold the power in this deal bc without them it might not be possible.  Perhaps the Mets can get this done by sending only one pitcher to TB or at least less talent.  Perhaps Seo or Heilman and a mid-level pitching prospect.  I hope it doesn't go down as this really helps the Sox and Baltimore wiggle out of their troubles.  However, I don't think the O's should make this trade the most.  Tejada for Benson and Lugo is bullshit.  Yet, so is Peter A and the O's organization anyway.  But I'd hate for Boston to fill both needs and lose their whiner!<img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> It's like a koala bear crapped a rainbow in my brain!

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spoon

01-01-2006, 11:50 PM

Here's another version of this.  Probably a better chance of a three-way trade going down since the Rays want so much for only moderate talent. <a href="http://www.nj.com/mets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1135923276242010.xml&coll=1">http://www.nj.com/mets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1135923276242010.xml&coll=1</a><img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> It's like a koala bear crapped a rainbow in my brain!

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spoon

01-02-2006, 12:06 AM

Just scanned the web and the same four teams (Mets, Boston, TB and Baltimore) are involved in a ton of trade rumors.  Something has to give so expect some completed moves over the next few days.  It probably won't be the huge four-way move, but surely a bunch of smaller moves are on the way that might equal that trade overall.

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01-02-2006, 12:08 AM

Here's a great article which reflects my breakdown of Toronto's changes and possible impact on wins and losses.  The highlighted points are key.<a href="http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051218&content_id=1283810&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor">http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051218&content_id=1283810&vkey=n ews_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor</a> "Last season, the Jays blew 21 saves, had no starter win more than 13 games, and were last in the American League East with 482 extra-base hits. Overbay falls into the table-setter category, but the addition of a veteran run-producer like Glaus will complement Overbay's acquisition. Last season, the Jays had the league's lowest winning percentage in one-run games (16-31) and lost a total of 44 games by one or two. "Now maybe we'll be taken a little more seriously," John Gibbons said. "Now we just have to go out and score a few more runs. I think that's an area that still needs to be addressed. J.P. is working it pretty hard." The Jays are built to take advantage of Rogers Centre's vast and fast carpet, and to borrow from the example set by last year's World Series champs. The Jays' possibilities parallel the Chicago White Sox's deed: A solid pitching staff and tight defense to make the most of a modest offense. It became easy to overlook the fact the '05 White Sox ranked near the bottom of the league in most offensive categories when their virtues dominated October. <table class="floatRight" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="195" border="0"><tr valign="top"><td width="1" rowspan="17"><img height="8" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td width="194" colspan="2"><img height="18" alt="" src="http://www.ronfez.net/tor/images/icon_tor.gif" width="18" border="0" />  Season in Preview  A lot can change by Opening Day, but as 2005 becomes 2006, this is who is projected to take the field for the Blue Jays: </td></tr><tr><td width="35">  SS</td><td width="159">Russ Adams</td></tr><tr><td>  2B</td><td>Aaron Hill</td></tr><tr><td>  1B</td><td>Lyle Overbay</td></tr><tr><td>  CF</td><td>Vernon Wells</td></tr><tr><td>  3B</td><td>Troy Glaus</td></tr><tr><td>  RF</td><td>Alex Rios</td></tr><tr><td>  DH</td><td>Shea Hillenbrand</td></tr><tr><td>  C</td><td>Gregg Zaun</td></tr><tr><td>  LF</td><td>Reed Johnson</td></tr><tr><td>  SP</td><td>Roy Halladay</td></tr><tr><td>  SP</td><td>A.J. Burnett</td></tr><tr><td>  SP</td><td>Ted Lilly</td></tr><tr><td>  SP</td><td>Gustavo Chacin</td></tr><tr><td>  SP</td><td>Josh Towers</td></tr><tr><td>  CL</td><td>B.J. Ryan</td></tr><tr><td class="textSm" width="194" colspan="2"><div /></td></tr></table>With sound Roy Halladay and Ted Lilly joining Burnett, the Jays' rotation potentially has comparable shut-them-down depth. Consider that on the "back end," 13-game winners Josh Towers and Gustavo Chacin come off ERAs of 3.71 and 3.72, respectively. Not only did that make them one of the AL's top tandems -- but better than any other single East Division starter." <img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> It's like a koala bear crapped a rainbow in my brain!

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01-05-2006, 04:14 PM

http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/story?id=396286Manny loves Boston again. quote: Slugger Manny Ramirez has changed his tune once again, saying now that he wants to remain with the Red Sox

 

By Enrique Rojas


MIAMI (ESPNdeportes.com)-- Manny Ramirez doesn't think he'll be traded
to the Baltimore Orioles, or any other team for that matter. Now he's
getting used to the idea of being in a Boston Red Sox uniform for a
long time to come. 

"There will be no trade, I'm staying in Boston, where I'm familiar with
the system and where I have a lot of friends, especially David Ortiz,"
Ramirez told ESPNdeportes.com while in Miami on personal business.
   
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A.J.

01-05-2006, 10:31 PM

Looks like Manny's time of the month is over...for now.

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01-06-2006, 02:26 AM

Just heard on the radio The Yanks have re-signed Al Leiter. No link yet. Good move. I like Al, he can be a lefty specialist out of the bullpen and give you a spot start if you need it.  

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Snoogans

01-06-2006, 07:59 AM

i pray that al leiter pitches as much as possible for you guys. Cause
yankee games arent long enough, so its always nice to find a pitcher
who can throw 29 pitches in a 1-2-3 inning 

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01-06-2006, 12:23 PM

sawx sign jt snow<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5226998">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5226998</a>a good defensive 1st baseman not a bad pick up and could hit a few out with that short porch in right

Snoogans

01-06-2006, 04:24 PM

quote:a good defensive 1st baseman not a bad pick up and could hit a few out with that short porch in right  i
wouldnt call the 5 feet within the foul poll a "porch". 10 feet into
fair territory it becomes probably the deepest right field in
baseball 

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Bulldogcakes

01-06-2006, 05:30 PM

quote:i pray that al leiter pitches as much as possible for you guys. Cause
yankee games arent long enough, so its always nice to find a pitcher
who can throw 29 pitches in a 1-2-3 inning 

 
 I dont see
him being used for a whole inning anymore. But his #'s against lefties
were good last year. And Al is easy to root for. 

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spoon

01-06-2006, 05:35 PM

Not anymore.  He's a fucking spankee stupid!

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TheMojoPin

01-06-2006, 07:58 PM

As much as the Cubs front office pisses me off, I'm relieved that a infinitely more stupid team has showed up in the form of the Orioles.Thus far they've passed on Mark Prior and top pitching prospect Rich Hill for Tejada and Bedard, AND Manny Ramirez, Clement plus cash for JUST Tejada.Newsflash: Tejada is good, but he ain't THAT good.

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Gvac

01-06-2006, 08:32 PM

I'm just hoping the new ownership team gets control of my Reds ASAP and starts throwing cash around like the rest of the league.

It's so sad to see this once proud organization wallowing in mediocrity year after year.

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01-06-2006, 08:44 PM

GIVE UP DUNN, DAMMIT!

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01-06-2006, 09:27 PM

I can't see Leiter making it through Spring Training, and I sure as hell hope he doesn't, not with Ron VIllone and Mike Myers. 

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Gvac

01-06-2006, 09:40 PM

GIVE UP DUNN, DAMMIT!

Never!

With Sean Casey gone, he's now our 1st baseman.

Besides, the man is the master of the quadruple triple. How many other players can produce 100 walks, runs, strikeouts, and RBI in a single season?

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spoon

01-06-2006, 10:22 PM

The Blue Jays moved Koskie to the Brewers for a bag of preztels.  At least it seems like they dumped the whole contract on the Brew crew, but they should have gotten a little more at least.  HOLY SHIT!!This should give JP some room to acquire players during the season if they do in fact get involved in a pennant race in the AL East or at least make a wild card run.  As it stands, their payroll is now back down to $66.5 million, about $9 million under JP's estimated yearly cap.  I like the flexibility, but I just wish they could have kept Hudson.

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01-06-2006, 11:02 PM

quote: GIVE UP DUNN, DAMMIT!  Or Kearns or Pena. Please! 

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Bulldogcakes

01-07-2006, 05:44 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2282818BoSox sign JT SnowGood move, solid player and only cost 2 mil.    

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cougarjake13

01-07-2006, 02:43 PM

quote:  quote: a good defensive 1st baseman not a bad pick up and could hit a few out with that short porch in right   i wouldnt call the 5 feet within the foul poll a "porch". 10 feet into fair territory it becomes probably the deepest right field in baseball what i meant was how short the wall is, its like waist high

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01-07-2006, 03:16 PM

quote: quote: GIVE UP DUNN, DAMMIT! Never! With Sean Casey gone, he's now our 1st baseman. Besides, the man is the master of the quadruple triple. How many other players can produce 100 walks, runs, strikeouts, and RBI in a single season? DAVID ORTIZ did it last year Year  Tm  Lg  G       AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA                                                  2005  <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/teams/BOS/2005.shtml">BOS</a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/leagues/AL_2005.shtml">AL</a> 159  601  119  180  40  1  47  148   1  0 102 124  .300  as did BOBBY ABREU in 01, 04, and 05 and just missed doing it in 99,00,02 and 03Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB        R    H    2B  3B  HR  RBI      BB  SO   BA   1999 25 <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/teams/PHI/1999.shtml">PHI</a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/leagues/NL_1999.shtml">NL</a> 152  546  118  183  35  11   20    93   109  113  .335   2000 26 <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/teams/PHI/2000.shtml">PHI</a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/leagues/NL_2000.shtml">NL</a> 154  576  103  182  42  10   25    79   100  116  .316  2001 27 <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/teams/PHI/2001.shtml">PHI</a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/leagues/NL_2001.shtml">NL</a> 162  588  118  170  48    4   31  110   106  137  .289   2002 28 <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/teams/PHI/2002.shtml">PHI</a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/leagues/NL_2002.shtml">NL</a> 157  572  102  176  50    6   20    85   104  117  .308   2003 29 <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/teams/PHI/2003.shtml">PHI</a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/leagues/NL_2003.shtml">NL</a> 158  577   99   173  35    1   20  101   109  126  .300  2004 30 <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/teams/PHI/2004.shtml">PHI</a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/leagues/NL_2004.shtml">NL</a> 159  574  118  173  47    1   30  105

A.J.

01-07-2006, 09:06 PM

quote: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2282818BoSox sign JT SnowGood move, solid player and only cost 2 mil.    <img src="http://www.silentpix.com/hottub/bulldogsig/rotate.php" border="0" /> My site Bully Baby (http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html) "A dog recently saved his owner's life, because he had been trained to dial 911. Unfortunately, operators had trouble finding the address 'woof, woof.'"-Norm MacDonald I agree -- though I wish Olerud hadn't retired.  

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01-09-2006, 01:01 PM

"Our long national nightmare is finally over..."<a href="http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060109&content_id=1292974&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc" target="_blank">COREY PATTERSON IS NO LONGER A CHICAGO CUB.</a>Went to the Orioles for a couple of hump single A prospects.  Personally, I wouldn't care if they had traded him for a bucket of balls.  No, strike that.  They could have traded him for just the bucket.Honestly, if he does well in Baltimore, bully for him.  He was hopeless in Chicago, and was never going to be anything there.Right now, I want the Cubs to pull off the rumored Chuck Zito trade (with contract extension, no single year rental, dammit!) and I'll be happy.  The bullpen is solid, and with Zito, the starting rotation would be some hot shit, easily best in the NL Central by far.1-Mark Prior (as long as he avoids anymore freak accidents, guy is gonna be an ace)2-Chuck Zito3-Carlos Zambrano (the kid's a workhorse with some spectacular pitches, AND he can actually hit)4-Kerry Wood (yeah, yeah, Mr. DL...he's already not gonna be ready until the 2nd or 3rd week of the season, but his surgery had zero complications and went exactly as expected, a first for him, and it's his contract year.  I have no doubt he'll have a DL stint or two this year, but nothing extended short of his arm falling off.  The guy is literally playing for his future.  And there are options...if Ryan Dempster doesn't pan out as the closer and Wood is struggling to make 6-7 innings, try out Wood there and Demp can go back to being a solid relief guy.  Wood was sick during his brief stint as a reliever last season, and if he rocks it as a closer the Cubs can either sign him in that role or have some serious trade value for him at the trade deadline)5-Greg Maddux (yeah, he's old and not what he was.  But he's fine as a #4 or #5 starter.  And he still pitches more innings than anyone on the team besides Zambrano)If any of them go down, they have Glendon Rusch or Jerome Williams as very capable #6 guys.

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01-09-2006, 01:07 PM

It is good to have an end to the Corey situation.  The guy wouldn't be in the lineup and he is the antithesis of a bench player.  You never know if one of the prospects may turn out.  If they get Zito, they will have to throw that contract offer at him immediately.  That would be a sick rotation with some insurance laying around.Go Cubbies!

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TheMojoPin

01-09-2006, 01:27 PM

They should ONLY trade for Zito if they can get a guarentee of 3 years out of him, since they'll have to give up 3-4 top prospects to snag him.  They get him and the lineup stays healthy for the bulk of the season, they would be OK with the offense they have right now.  My main gripe is why everyone in the club is talking like it's a sure thing that Todd Walker will be gone next year.  They have him for only $2.5 million, he plays workable defense (nothing stellar, but when the only trade option that's come up is fucking stone-glove Soriano, Walker is fine), consistently hits at .300, and would be a PERFECT #2 hitter between Pierre and Lee.  Walker drills the ball deep when he flies out, so even then he'd be advancing a guy as fast as Pierre, no problem.  If they trade Walker, I'd only be happy if it gets them Zito (or part of those Abreu or Tejada rumors that are pretty much fantasy) or a comparable 2nd baseman.  If no replacement, Hairston better be the goddamn starter at 2nd, not Neifi Perez.

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01-09-2006, 03:50 PM

Zito would have to be nuts to sign with anyone. The Yanks will outbid
everyone for his services, they're desperate for a young quality lefty.
His agent's Arn Tellem (Giambi's agent), so its not a guarenteed Scott
Boras type situation where you know he's going free agent. Zito's also
known to be a free spirit, so more $$ may not be a big deal to him. But
I have heard him in interviews say he would like to pitch in NY. If he
wants to win and get the most money, its NYY. If he wants to play
guitar and surf, its somewhere else. 

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01-10-2006, 12:29 AM

quote: If he wants to win and get the most money, its NYY. If he wants to play guitar and surf, its somewhere else. <img src="http://www.silentpix.com/hottub/bulldogsig/rotate.php" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/">My site Bully Baby</a> "A dog recently saved his owner's life, because he had been trained to dial 911. Unfortunately, operators had trouble finding the address 'woof, woof.'"-Norm MacDonald HOLY FUCK MAN!  Just when I finally start to hate you less you say shit like that!  You're hopeless.  I guess it's NYY or you're an idiot who wants to lose and is a slacker!  Perhaps they'd like to win it themselves on a real team, not a fucking robotic type force formed mock all-star team.  Unbelievable, astonishing, mind-boggling; call it what you want but it's fucking annoying as well.

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01-10-2006, 02:03 AM

This would be some nice insurance behind the plate.  Zaun is decent, but this would be an upgrade and would deepen the bench. <table class="floatLeft" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" border="0"><tr><td><a name="b_molina"><img src="http://mlb.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/134260.jpg" border="0" /></a></td></tr></table><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134260">C Bengie Molina, Angels</a> Jan. 9 -- The Toronto Sun reported that Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi may still be interested in signing Molina. "We still may be able to do something with Molina," Ricciardi told the paper. "We'll have to see how much money we have going forward. We'll still need money next year." When the Blue Jays traded third baseman Corey Koskie on Friday, their team payroll dipped to around $70 million. That might leave enough money to sign Molina, who made $3 million with the Angels last season.

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01-10-2006, 11:42 AM

quote: But I have heard him in interviews say he would like to pitch in NY. If he wants to win and get the most money, its NYY. If he wants to play guitar and surf, its somewhere else.   Win ???  win what, division titles ??? AL championships ??? cause that's all that the yankees have won lately, and the yanks aren't the only team in new york so how do you know he wasn't referring to the mets, his former pitching coach peterson is on the mets and they would have plenty of money to throw at him too ( sorry spoon )

Greggie44

01-10-2006, 11:57 AM

quote: They should ONLY trade for Zito if they can get a guarentee of 3 years out of him, since they'll have to give up 3-4 top prospects to snag him.  They get him and the lineup stays healthy for the bulk of the season, they would be OK with the offense they have right now.  My main gripe is why everyone in the club is talking like it's a sure thing that Todd Walker will be gone next year.  They have him for only $2.5 million, he plays workable defense (nothing stellar, but when the only trade option that's come up is fucking stone-glove Soriano, Walker is fine), consistently hits at .300, and would be a PERFECT #2 hitter between Pierre and Lee.  Walker drills the ball deep when he flies out, so even then he'd be advancing a guy as fast as Pierre, no problem.  If they trade Walker, I'd only be happy if it gets them Zito (or part of those Abreu or Tejada rumors that are pretty much fantasy) or a comparable 2nd baseman.  If no replacement, Hairston better be the goddamn starter at 2nd, not Neifi Perez. Every time I read an article that mentions second base, Walker isn't mentioned for the upcoming season.  Either they are pissed that he talks openly and honestly with reporters or he banged someone's wife.  The only gripe you can have with him at 2.5 million is a perceived problem turning two.  Like you, I am done watching Neifi pop out to the shortstop on the first pitch with one out and a guy on third. 

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Greggie44

01-10-2006, 12:01 PM

quote: Jan. 9 -- The Toronto Sun reported that Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi may still be interested in signing Molina. "We still may be able to do something with Molina," Ricciardi told the paper. "We'll have to see how much money we have going forward. We'll still need money next year." When the Blue Jays traded third baseman Corey Koskie on Friday, their team payroll dipped to around $70 million. That might leave enough money to sign Molina, who made $3 million with the Angels last season.  He will probably go to an AL team so he can rest his knees.  The price may have dropped for you guys with the lack of heat on him so far. 

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spoon

01-10-2006, 01:57 PM

Hey hoping for a good pitcher is fine Coug, it's the yankee arrogance I can't stand as displayed in BDC's post.  Sure everyone wants their team to make big moves to improve themselves, but it just gets crazy with yank fans at times and the mets are getting closer.  As for Molina, I'd be fine with the move at around 2-3 million a year.  He's a solid defensive catcher and works very well with pitchers.  As far as catchers go, he's pretty decent offensively as well.  He's no Posada or Piazza in their prime, but he's definately an upgrade over Zaun.  And like I said, having both adds to the bench depth immensely.  Here's hoping they can use some of the Koskie money to pick him up for around 3 years 6-9 million total package as the price has definately gone down.

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01-10-2006, 02:07 PM

If you people could get past your Yankee hatred for two seconds you
might have noticed the first 3/4 of my post was making the case for why
Zito may NOT want to be a Yankee. But I guess making an effort to be
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01-10-2006, 02:15 PM

quote:Win ??? win
what, division titles ??? AL championships ??? cause that's all that
the yankees have won lately 

 Who's done better in the past 5 years? Who's won more consistently? When
Yankee fans hold out team to the same high standard you just did, we
get accused of arrogance. Meanwhile everybody else uses the same
standard for the Yanks (and NO other team BTW). But when everybody else
expects the Yanks to win, nobody calls them arrogant. Its nice getting to have it both ways in your world, isn't it? 


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spoon

01-10-2006, 02:19 PM

quote: If you people could get past your Yankee hatred for two seconds you might have noticed the first 3/4 of my post was making the case for why Zito may NOT want to be a Yankee. But I guess making an effort to be balanced is further proof of my arrogance. <img src="http://www.silentpix.com/hottub/bulldogsig/rotate.php" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/">My site Bully Baby</a> "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Anon Here's what you said, "Zito would have to be nuts to sign with anyone. The Yanks will outbid everyone for his services, they're desperate for a young quality lefty. His agent's Arn Tellem (Giambi's agent), so its not a guarenteed Scott Boras type situation where you know he's going free agent. Zito's also known to be a free spirit, so more $$ may not be a big deal to him. But I have heard him in interviews say he would like to pitch in NY. If he wants to win and get the most money, its NYY. If he wants to play guitar and surf, its somewhere else."The whole fucking thing is why he'd be nuts to do anything but wait to be a Yankee!  Where this 3/4 post balance you speak of?  The whole fucking post is arrogant and you don't even realize it!  It's one thing to hope for the signing.  You seem to expect or demand it of him since it's the fucking Yankees.  Perhaps he wants to surf in Boston or with the Mets?  Fucking A man!  

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01-10-2006, 02:40 PM

quote:His agent's Arn Tellem (Giambi's agent), so its not a guarenteed Scott
Boras type situation where you know he's going free agent. Zito's also
known to be a free spirit, so more $$ may not be a big deal to him.  Thats what I'm talking about. Fine, its half the post, not 3/4. 
 

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spoon

01-10-2006, 02:46 PM

This is hopeless.  Your statements before and after that portion insinuated that if this is the case he's an idiot.  You can't take a sentence or two out of a statement and try to change it's meaning.  You refuse to see why some develop yankee hate.  

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spoon

01-10-2006, 02:47 PM

Just a reminder:<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5227428">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5227428</a><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5227436">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5227436</a> Enjoy this new record!  How'd that work out for you?

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spoon

01-10-2006, 04:07 PM

The Molina deal doesn't look likely at all now.  I was way low in what he thinks he can get based on the Hernandez deal of over 7 million per year.  It's highly unlikely that he'll get that now, but they think he'll get at least a one year deal at around 5 million.  It would have been nice though.

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cougarjake13

01-11-2006, 02:59 PM

quote: Who's done better in the past 5 years? Who's won more consistently?    1.Who's done better ??? Well if you wanna go by championships, the D-backs, Angels, Marlins, Red sox, and White sox2. If you wanna go by making the playoffs and/or doing well I'd say the Angels, Red sox, Twins, A's, Braves, Astros,and Cardinals Red sox made the playoffs 3 out of the last 5 years with 1 W.S. victory and 2 ALCS appearances ( 1 AL pennant)Angels also made the playoffs 3 out of 5 with 1 W.S. victory and 2 ALCS appearances (1 AL pennant)Twins made it 3 out of 5 with 1 ALCS appearanceA's made it 3 out of 5 Braves made it 5 out of 5 with 1 NLCS appearanceAstros made it 3 out of 5 with 1 W.S. appearance, and 2 NLCS appearances(1 NL pennant)Cardinals made it 4 out of 5 with 1 W.S. appearance and 3 nlcs appearances(1 NL pennant) 3. Who's won more consistently ??? Red Sox, Angels, Braves and Cardinals in the same five year period the yankees made it 5 out of 5 with 2 W.S. appearances, 3 ALCS appearances (2 AL pennants)

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HBox

01-11-2006, 03:20 PM

The Yanks made the playoffs 5 out of 5 times, made the W.S. twice, and the ALCS 3 times. Better than any team you listed.As far as consistency, <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/situational.cgi?from=2000&to=2005&0=2&1=3&rsgtlt=gt&rs=5&ragtlt=gt&ra=5&2=6&trgtlt=gt&tr=10&3=8&mvgtlt=gt&mv=10&4=10&owlsgtlt=gt&owls=.500&teams=team&years=all&submit=Run+Situation" target="_blank">the Yanks have the best record over the last 5 years</a>, and made the playoffs every year. If that's not consistency, they must have changed the definition since the last time I checked.The Yanks are the team that is closest to being able to field a WS contender every year. In any given year, another team could be stronger, or upset the Yanks, or something. However, if you are a player looking for a long term contract, is there another team that give a player a better chance of being on a competitive, WS contender every single year of that contract? No. While other teams will develop young cheap talent, the day will come when that talent has to be paid, and that means either that player leaves or costs must be trimmed somewhwere else on the roster. And the team is weakened. The Yanks can reload immediately better than any team in the league.[/color][/size] 

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spoon

01-11-2006, 04:29 PM

See my attached links in an above post and find out why.  It has nothing to do with a great front office, just a rich one.

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01-11-2006, 05:37 PM

quote: quote: They should ONLY trade for Zito if they can get a guarentee of 3 years out of him, since they'll have to give up 3-4 top prospects to snag him.  They get him and the lineup stays healthy for the bulk of the season, they would be OK with the offense they have right now.  My main gripe is why everyone in the club is talking like it's a sure thing that Todd Walker will be gone next year.  They have him for only $2.5 million, he plays workable defense (nothing stellar, but when the only trade option that's come up is fucking stone-glove Soriano, Walker is fine), consistently hits at .300, and would be a PERFECT #2 hitter between Pierre and Lee.  Walker drills the ball deep when he flies out, so even then he'd be advancing a guy as fast as Pierre, no problem.  If they trade Walker, I'd only be happy if it gets them Zito (or part of those Abreu or Tejada rumors that are pretty much fantasy) or a comparable 2nd baseman.  If no replacement, Hairston better be the goddamn starter at 2nd, not Neifi Perez. Every time I read an article that mentions second base, Walker isn't mentioned for the upcoming season.  Either they are pissed that he talks openly and honestly with reporters or he banged someone's wife.  The only gripe you can have with him at 2.5 million is a perceived problem turning two.  Like you, I am done watching Neifi pop out to the shortstop on the first pitch with one out and a guy on third. I'm not a bad person, I just do bad things. Well, there may be some truth to the whispers that Walker just has a shitty attitude that fucks up a team.  The guy has played for 6 teams over the last 8 years, and the Cubs aren't being discreet about wanting to trade him...a rarely injured 2nd baseman with passable defense who has consistently hit around .300 for years for only $2.5 million...and NOBODY is biting?  Very curious... 

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HBox

01-11-2006, 05:49 PM

See my attached links in an above post and find out why.  It has nothing to do with a great front office, just a rich one.We could argue about that all day long and get nowhere, but that was not what my post was about. My post was about the reality, not the why. 

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TheMojoPin

01-11-2006, 05:55 PM

Man, as much as I hate the Yankees, Spoon just comes across really bitter.  The Yankees are the greatest team in baseball history, period.  The "they win because they spend more" argument doesn't negate all the other DECADES when they've fucking dominated the sport.

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spoon

01-11-2006, 11:28 PM

Oh there's no doubt I hate the Yanks, that much is obvious.  It's the normal fans in the area that I despise.  Let's not forget how they fleeced half the league for decades in the past (KC for example) when there weren't any barriers to stop them.  Now it's the same shit, different style.  As for convos with the likes of Crip and Boxy, I totally enjoy them and there in good taste.  If only the bulk of Yank fans had a basic baseball knowledge and lack of arrogance as if they pitched the ninth for Mo themselves.  And truth be told, they haven't won without money in my lifetime.  In fact, they fucking sucked until they reached the summit of spending.  I think in 96 they might not have been the highest payroll in baseball, and I did in fact respect that team the most.  A lot more influence came from their original players.  As George got more of a taste for victory, he began to fuck up the whole damn league.  MLB salaries are out of fucking control right now.  NFL players may only play 16 game in a regular season, but the risk is so much bigger and the physical toll is incredible.  I can't blame the Yanks for the whole system getting blown up like it has.  Yet they're one of the main components.  In fact, many people believe the Yankees are baseball's greatest team and tradition.  I believe they have been one of the worst influences on the game throughout the history of the league.  Read up on their tactics for stealing players in the early 1900's, and into as recent as the 70's.  I just don't buy into them being great bc they manipulated systems and spent a ton of money.  Montreal Habs/Edmonton Oilers/Pitt Stealers/SF 49's and even the Pats have more of my respect. 

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HBox

01-11-2006, 11:38 PM

Remind me for a second. What team handed out a 5 year 55 million dollar contract to a pitcher with a career record below .500? And gave the largest contract in the history of the league for a reliever to a closer who has closed for one season?And yes, I do realize the circumstances of why they had to go that high. Just bustin balls a bit. 

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spoon

01-11-2006, 11:55 PM

You're not gonna get an argument out of me.  Yet if they want to at least compete, especially since they have to pay more bc it's a Canadian team and they aren't/weren't a playoff contender, they have no choice but to continue with this trend.  Until they sold the team they no longer had the resources.  I don't truly believe in a crazy tight cap as in the NHL, but some basement and roof has to be established to even things up a bit.  If not, we'll never see MLB as competitive as the NHL or the NFL.  I must add that a basement level of spending might help the overall league more then a ceiling as then the other teams as a whole would defer some of the Yankee's ability to attract most big free agents.  This year we at least saw the Yanks take a slight step back and it was good for the league.  I just hate to see the Mets now following the same pattern of multiple years of huge free agent signings, just as we've seen with Boston as well.  What really surprised me was how high Atlanta was on the food chain.  They spent much more then I thought in the last few years.  Sure they've lost some big names, but they sure as hell throw some funds out there as well.  Overall, the Jays are still just under $70 million going into 2006.  The Yanks broke the record for spending last year at over $207 million.  If you don't think $137 million towards last years team wouldn't have brought them into the race, you're nuts.  It's no promise, but it sure as hell would have helped.  However, I don't want it to become an arms race.  I'd rather this storm finally pass and the league gets back to developing and keeping most of its stars in one place.  Even if it's KC (Brett), MN (Puckett) or even MIL (Molitor/Robin Y.). End scene(rant).

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01-12-2006, 02:11 AM

As for convos with the likes of Crip and Boxy, I totally enjoy them and there in good taste.  If only the bulk of Yank fans had a basic baseball knowledge and lack of arrogance as if they pitched the ninth for Mo themselves.If you think spoon is fun to argue with on the board, walk up to him at a live event & conerse about the virtues of the Yankees home-grown talent in the past like Knoblauch, Soriano, Irabu, El Duque, Matsui...then watch the fire build in his eyes & his head nearly explodes while he thinks you're serious.  Good times.

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01-12-2006, 02:54 PM

quote: The Yanks made the playoffs 5 out of 5 times, made the W.S. twice, and the ALCS 3 times. Better than any team you listed. As far as consistency, <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/situational.cgi?from=2000&to=2005&0=2&1=3&rsgtlt=gt&rs=5&ragtlt=gt&ra=5&2=6&trgtlt=gt&tr=10&3=8&mvgtlt=gt&mv=10&4=10&owlsgtlt=gt&owls=.500&teams=team&years=all&submit=Run+Situation" target="_blank">the Yanks have the best record over the last 5 years</a>, and made the playoffs every year. If that's not consistency, they must have changed the definition since the last time I checked.  my original point was that he was saying if zito wants to win and get the most money he needs to go to NY, implying the yanks to which I said win what ?? because the yanks havent won anything important, at least what's important in their and george's mind ( the world series) since 2000. his response was who's done better in the last five years and been more consistent ? , to which I asked what do you mean by done better ? and  been more consistent ? I listed those teams who i felt done better (won world series titles) and been consistent (making playoffs and being successful there)yes the yanks made it 5 out of 5 and made 2 W.S. and 3 ALCS's but to any other team but the yankees these would be accomplishments and winning as he said but the yankees are all about winning world series and nothing else matters. so in yankee world they may as well have been the d rays or the pirates these last 5 years without winning a world series title.

Bulldogcakes

01-12-2006, 03:17 PM

quote:quote: The Yanks made the playoffs 5 out of 5 times, made the W.S. twice, and the ALCS 3 times. Better than any team you listed. As far as consistency, <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/situational.cgi?from=2000&to=2005&0=2&1=3&rsgtlt=gt&rs=5&ragtlt=gt&ra=5&2=6&trgtlt=gt&tr=10&3=8&mvgtlt=gt&mv=10&4=10&owlsgtlt=gt&owls=.500&teams=team&years=all&submit=Run+Situation" target="_blank">the Yanks have the best record over the last 5 years</a>,
and made the playoffs every year. If that's not consistency, they must
have changed the definition since the last time I checked. my
original point was that he was saying if zito wants to win and get the
most money he needs to go to NY, implying the yanks to which I said win
what ?? because the yanks havent won anything important, at least
what's important in their and george's mind ( the world series) since
2000. his response was who's done better
in the last five years and been more consistent ? , to which I asked
what do you mean by done better ? and been more consistent ? I listed
those teams who i felt done better (won world series titles) and been
consistent (making playoffs and being successful there)yes
the yanks made it 5 out of 5 and made 2 W.S. and 3 ALCS's but to any
other team but the yankees these would be accomplishments and winning
as he said but the yankees are all about winning world series and
nothing else matters. so in yankee world they may as well have been the d rays or the pirates these last 5 years without winning a world series title.

 H-Box showed you were clearly wrong, and if you had a sack you'd just admit it. Two
things I hate about partisan discussions, be they political or sports
or whatever. Is nobody ever admits they're wrong, and nobody ever says
"I dont know" when they have no idea what they're talking
about.And could BOTH of you please use a normal sized font DAMMIT! 

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HBox

01-12-2006, 03:36 PM

I listed
those teams who i felt done better (won world series titles) and been
consistent (making playoffs and being successful there)You listed the Braves, who won just as many World Series as the Yanks, and had just as many playoff appearances, and in every single other measurable were inferior to the Yanks. The Red Sox, other than their World Series win, finished behind the Yanks every single year. The Angels have the Yanks number obviously, but missed the playoffs twice. The Cardinals are the closest to the Yanks, but still just a bit behind the Yanks. I REALLY don't understand why you included 2 teams that didn't win a World Series as better than the Yanks, because if you forget about Championships, there is absolutely no question: the Yanks were the best and most consistent team over the timeframe. Most wins, best winning percentage, most playoff appearances, most ALCS appearances, nad has just as many W.S. appearances as any team.Furthermore, your list of the 5 World Series champs just illustrates my point: the Diamondbacks are a mess, hit the cellar two years after their championship. The Angels were under .500 after they won. The Marlins didn't make the playoffs again after their championship. Look at the Red Sox now: two years later they have a load of question marks. Can't talk about the White Sox yet. Hell, there just being 5 different championships illustrates my point: it's a crap shoot every year. The Yankees offer the best chance at being on a contender in any given year. They are the definition of consistent. Maybe if the Braves stop mistaking the NL East clincher for the end of the season that would be different.Let's just put it this way: When was the last time the Braves entered the Playoffs and were considered to have a legitimate shot at a championship? And when was the last time the Yanks weren't?P.S. I gotta be different man. WEIRD FONT FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!

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01-13-2006, 12:45 AM

If this doesn't sum up my feelings on the league nothing will:<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5242156">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5242156</a>  "The goal of the Yankees, Dodgers or Red Sox — unlike, say, the goal of Wal-Mart or IBM — isn't to drive the competition out of business. The Yankees want to pummel the Royals on the field of play, but they need them to at least otherwise stick around. At a base level, baseball, or any sports league, is a collaborative business, and teams should be compensated for any native market disadvantages they endure. So, next time around, owners should abandon the bid to re-establish payroll luxury taxes, completely forgo any pointless notions of a salary cap and instead focus on bringing revenue-sharing opponents to heel. What baseball needs is to share 50 percent of all local revenues. However, that alone won't be enough." "Sports leagues aren't the cauldrons of social Darwinism that many like to pretend they are; they're cooperative endeavors. In baseball, that should mean a fairer and more sensible sharing of revenues, but only with accountability measures intact. To make the game even more engaging than it already is, this needs to happen. "

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01-13-2006, 04:51 PM

John Sterling is calling the Nets game tonight. It's odd, to say the least. (And yes, I know he's called basketball games before) 

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01-13-2006, 05:28 PM

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cougarjake13

01-14-2006, 07:00 AM

quote:  quote: I listed those teams who i felt done better (won world series titles) and been consistent (making playoffs and being successful there)  You listed the Braves, who won just as many World Series as the Yanks, and had just as many playoff appearances, and in every single other measurable were inferior to the Yanks. The Red Sox, other than their World Series win, finished behind the Yanks every single year. The Angels have the Yanks number obviously, but missed the playoffs twice. The Cardinals are the closest to the Yanks, but still just a bit behind the Yanks. I REALLY don't understand why you included 2 teams that didn't win a World Series as better than the Yanks, because if you forget about Championships, there is absolutely no question: the Yanks were the best and most consistent team over the timeframe. Most wins, best winning percentage, most playoff appearances, most ALCS appearances, nad has just as many W.S. appearances as any team. Furthermore, your list of the 5 World Series champs just illustrates my point: the Diamondbacks are a mess, hit the cellar two years after their championship. The Angels were under .500 after they won. The Marlins didn't make the playoffs again after their championship. Look at the Red Sox now: two years later they have a load of question marks. Can't talk about the White Sox yet. Hell, there just being 5 different championships illustrates my point: it's a crap shoot every year. The Yankees offer the best chance at being on a contender in any given year. They are the definition of consistent. Maybe if the Braves stop mistaking the NL East clincher for the end of the season that would be different.        yes the yankees offer anyone the best chance of being a contender every year but when someone says that they want to win, ususally that means championships and not just a division title and a playoff series or two. there are some instances where it would apply, namely anyone on the d rays, pirates, or royals where anything is better then staying there.but in my opinion when a player says win i take that to mean championships and thats when i started the comparison, and i when i asked win what ? he repiled with his who's been better or more consistent then the yankees.yes i agree that the yankees have been the best team at being consisent in that five year span, but what constitutes being better ?? CHAMPIONSHIPSno one considers the buffalo bills a great team cause they made the super bowl four years in a row and lost, i guarantee you any of those buffalo bills players would trade anything to be part of the one year wonder giants team or the redskins team the next year. do you think bruce smith or jim kelly would say nah i'd rather be a consistent 4 year super bowl loser then a one time super bowl winner ? i don't think so. as for my list i was just comparing all the teams that had made at least 3 out of 5 and what they did. yes the braves only similarity is the 5 out of 5 and were inferior everywhere else but they were consistent which was my point, they made it every year and didnt win, yes the yanks got further in 3 out of the 5 years, yes the white and red sox so far have been only one year wonders but as i stated with the bills analogy i think anyone would trade places, and the red sox have been consistent in making the playoffs as well, but still not as much as the yanks. obviously the cardinals are the closest, as for the inclusion of twins and a's it was just to illustrate consistentcy in making the playoffs.

HBox

01-19-2006, 04:24 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2298743" target="_blank">With the Red Sox imploded and his point made, Theo Epstein returns.</a> 

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01-19-2006, 04:30 PM

Epstein's such a douche.

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01-19-2006, 04:31 PM

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01-19-2006, 06:03 PM

no one considers the buffalo bills a great team cause they made the super bowl four years in a row and lost,  not only do I, but so do most of the people who watch sports and know their ass from their elbow. That bills team was not only damn good, but woulda beat any of the teams in the playoffs this year. And they didnt make a mistake at all against the giants, it was all on the kicker. You dont know shit if you dont think the Bills with Kelly and Thomas and Talley and Smith and everyone else wasnt a great team.  

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spoon

01-20-2006, 02:38 AM

Say what you will, but he makes a great overall point on the culture of all sports at this point.  The Bills and Mickelson (golf) used to be in the same boat until he finally cracked a major.  So regardless of how good a team may be (Indy), until they win the big game they are held to a different standard.  The Bills were indeed a great team, but not a true championship team.  Laces out!

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asayresk

01-20-2006, 04:55 AM

yeah the bills will always such, simply cause its a team based in buffalo.

cougarjake13

01-20-2006, 11:51 AM

quote:  quote: no one considers the buffalo bills a great team cause they made the super bowl four years in a row and lost,  not only do I, but so do most of the people who watch sports and know their ass from their elbow. That bills team was not only damn good, but woulda beat any of the teams in the playoffs this year. And they didnt make a mistake at all against the giants, it was all on the kicker. You dont know shit if you dont think the Bills with Kelly and Thomas and Talley and Smith and everyone else wasnt a great team.   i never said that i didnt think that they weren't a great team, i think they were, just to make the playoffs four years in a row is tough and then to make it to the super bowl four times, incrediblebut when people (and by people i mean fans, the jabronie's on espn and sports talk radio) talk about great teams and dynasties no one brings up the early 90's Bills, they should because what they did was never done before and hasnt been done since but because they didnt win no one thinks about them, they would have to have won at least 2 of those four and maybe they'd get some recognition.

Gvac

01-21-2006, 12:57 PM

I'm sorry to be the one to notify all of you Met, Yankee, Red Sox, and Nationals fans, but the next dynasty in baseball is none other than my beloved Cincinnati Reds.

The new owner promised!

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Gvac

01-21-2006, 01:00 PM

Oh, and by the way, can someone remind me what the code is for a link?

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01-22-2006, 03:01 PM

Coco Crisp goes to Beantown.

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01-22-2006, 03:06 PM

quote: Oh, and by the way, can someone remind me what the code is for a link?  not sure if this answers> type some text in the box , something like New Reds News> hilight the text and click on the 'silver chain' icon> put your link in the "link url" field and click insert<a href="http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cin/fan_forum/owner_letter.jsp" target="_self">New Reds News</a><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Ippolito" border="0" /> 

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01-23-2006, 01:49 PM

<a href="http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060123&content_id=1299525&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc" target="_blank">CHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs added another arm on Monday, signing pitcher Wade Miller to a one-year contract for 2006. </a><a href="http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060123&content_id=1299525&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc" target="_blank">Miller, 29, signed for $1 million with another $1 million possible in incentives based on the number of starts he makes. The right-hander spent much of the 2005 season on the disabled list because of problems with his shoulder but Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said they received good reports on Miller's health.</a>Smartest move Hendry has mad in a while.  It's a no-lose situation for the Cubs.  Guy can't rebound from his injuries, they got him on the cheap.  If he can, he's shown to be a really solid and competitive starter who could fit easily into a #4 or #5 slot.Miller has gone 62-43 with five complete games and a 3.98 ERA during his Major League career. He has won 10 or more games on three different occasions -- and has posted a .500 or better winning percentage in all but one season. In addition to Boston, he pitched for Houston from 1999-2004.Miller won't be healthy again until May, but he is recovering from the same surgery Morris and Carpenter got, and he's shown he wants to work his ass off.  High hopes for this one!

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spoon

01-23-2006, 02:53 PM

Odds may be against it, but I agree that the signing is a pretty good risk.  Hell, 2 million if the guy does finally rebound from the problems.....that's one hell of a deal.  Even if he doesn't, he's only getting 1 million bucks.  I think that's one week of ARod's salary.  And I bet Miller has a better playoff batting average anyway.

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cougarjake13

01-23-2006, 03:01 PM

the best the cubs can hope for is they get a jon leiber with the yankees type return

Snoogans

01-23-2006, 03:46 PM

Boston took a shot on Miller. It didnt work early but they didnt try him too too much late. Maybe with the extra year now, he can get back to what he once was, especially now that he is back in the NL central. I cant bash the risk. And as of now, Crisp is still an Indian, that deal is hinging on Cleveland's ability to get that guy from philly 

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Gvac

01-23-2006, 04:02 PM

The Reds' new owner Bob Castellini is wasting no time revamping the team. He shitcanned GM Dan O'Brien today.

I hope he's serious about bringing a championship back to Cincy. Baseball's oldest and greatest franchise deserves nothing less.

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01-23-2006, 04:30 PM

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01-23-2006, 06:30 PM

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01-24-2006, 10:55 AM

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badorties

01-24-2006, 11:17 AM

they're the oldest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Reds#The_beginning), not really too sure on the greatest ...

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Snoogans

01-24-2006, 11:25 AM

id take the clippers before id deal with being in fuckin Cinncinati YUCK 

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01-24-2006, 03:58 PM

Yeah, the Columbus Clippers. 

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01-24-2006, 08:03 PM

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01-24-2006, 08:28 PM

Mota fails physical; Crisp to Boston trade in jeopardy. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2305062)

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cougarjake13

01-25-2006, 02:00 PM

not a big deal but oakland signed the big hurt frank thomasif he can stay healthy he could be decent as a dh and part time first baseman and at a base slary of only 500,000 it's not much of a risk, incentives can push the deal to 2.6 mil <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Aid5C_3hCSVQZzl3gqiwHpcRvLYF?slug=ap-athletics-thomas&prov=ap&type=lgns">frank/thomas.deal</a>

MHasegawa

01-25-2006, 02:26 PM

As long as he's only used as a bench bat, I'm not mad about this.  I'm still pissed that we have Milton Bradley... 

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Bulldogcakes

01-28-2006, 03:02 AM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2309119" target="_self" title="Crisp to Boston">Crisp to Boston</a>Along with Crisp, Cleveland sent reliever <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6309">David Riske</a> and backup
catcher <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6987">Josh Bard</a> to Boston for Mota, third base prospect Andy
Marte, catcher <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7493">Kelly Shoppach</a>, a player to be named and cash.Before that deal was finalized, the Indians sent reliever Arthur
Rhodes to Philadelphia for outfielder <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6696">Jason Michaels</a>, the probable
replacement for Crisp as Cleveland's starting left fielder. For Mojo <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2309153" target="_self" title="Prior re-signs ">Prior re-signs </a>The <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=chn">Chicago Cubs</a> settled one of five arbitration cases pending on Friday when the team and pitcher <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6787">Mark Prior</a> agreed to a $3.65 million contract for 2006, the Cubs' Web site reported Friday. 

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TheMojoPin

01-28-2006, 07:12 AM

Man, if he can just avoid any freak accidents, Prior's got a tailor-made season coming up for him.  His biggest problem (besides getting drilled in the elbow with a line drive or getting stomped on the basepath) is the guy just can't get his pitch count down.  Nine times out of ten he's over 100 pitches by the 6th inning because he's trying to strike everyone out.  Now granted, it's rare when he strikes out less than 10 batters a game, but it would be nice to see if he could even just stretch it out through the 7th.  Though at least now on paper the Cubs have a dynamite bullpen that can handle Prior wrapping up after or during the 6th.  Here's hoping!

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01-29-2006, 03:11 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2311295" target="_self" title="Piazza signs with Padres">Piazza signs with Padres </a> SAN DIEGO -- All-Star catcher <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4928">Mike Piazza</a> agreed Sunday to a
$2 million, one-year free agent contract with the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=sdg">San Diego Padres</a>,
giving the defending NL West champions a marquee player they think
can still contribute. The deal is expected to be announced on Monday. It includes a
mutual option for 2007 at $8 million. "The Padres told Mike that he could pretty much catch as much
as he wanted to," said Piazza's agent, Dan Lozano. Piazza is hoping to catch about 90-100 games this season, along
with playing some first base and being the DH in interleague games.I think he's a steal (no throwing pun intended) at 2 mil a year. 

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BoondockSaint

01-29-2006, 04:00 PM

He hit 19 hrs and had 62 rbi in 113 games last year.  Not bad for a catcher.  Sure, he's not going to hit .360 with 35 hrs and 120 rbi anymore but I think he can still hit.  Plus, I'm a Met fan and he saved our franchise.

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spoon

01-29-2006, 08:43 PM

Yet he's really slowing down bad.  I can't see him as the Padres main catcher.  I hope they have someone good backing him up now.  Plus, he couldn't throw out Cecil Fielder in his prime.  Now he can't throw out Sexy Bastard or Cyber Soldier on a steal attempt.  His offense was never the main concern.  Now he's average at best as a hitter and terrible behind the plate.  His greed kept him in the NL.  Sorry, but the records had to influence him bc he had better offers to DH/Catch on AL teams.  I don't like the move at all.

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Bulldogcakes

01-30-2006, 02:04 AM

I've always been amazed at how people think if you cant throw out baserunners, you're bad defensively. He blocks the plate well, doesn't allow many passed balls, is good on pop ups, calls a good game, pitchers like throwing to him (not a busybody). And he cant throw runners out. BTW, neither can most catchers. League averages are somewhere around 30%. Plus base stealing isn't even as big a part of the game anymore as it was 20 years ago.  I've always thought he's a net plus for any team, and I'm amazed he went for so little $. At that price the Mets could have brought him back and platooned him. I'm also shocked that Bengie Molina is still unsigned. Must be a bad year for catchers.  

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Crippler

01-30-2006, 07:19 AM

I am astonished that this guy is still in the NL.  I loved him as a Dodger and was happy to see him come to NY to revive a sad franchise.  He helped me live a selfish dream to see a Subway Series & made each Mets/Yanks series a little more fun just by being there.  But this guy has got to be one of the dumbest human beings alive to have signed with another NL team.  You can't tell me there wasn't a single AL team willing to pay him $2 million to DH 135 games & catch a couple dozen times per year.  I know Javy Lopez going to Baltimore a few years ago ruined a would-be perfect situation, but there had to have been someone else who could have used a 3rd catcher/DH with a huge upside & the salary of little more than a bench player.Mike, Good luck bro!PONDEROUS....F'ing PONDEROUS!

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Snoogans

01-30-2006, 09:54 AM

He blocks the plate well,
doesn't allow many passed balls, is good on pop ups, calls a good game,
pitchers like throwing to him (not a busybody).ive seen piazza stand up on a ball in the dirt and have it go right through his legs. EVERY catcher in the league should be good on pop ups, its a fuckin pop up. he isnt that good defensively and he will slowly be less able to jump around and block pitches.  

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spoon

01-30-2006, 02:00 PM

Sorry BDC, but as usual I have to disagree with you.  He doesn't move well behind the plate and his percentage of throwing out runners include guys that wouldn't try against anyone else.  I watch a lot of Met games and at times he makes an entire opposing team look like Reyes motoring around the bases on any pitch.  It has to frustrate the pitchers, causing them to stress too much on the runners and limit their pitch selection.  As Crip and I stated earlier, not a good move by Mike or the Padres.  It was his time to move on to an AL team.  The same can be said of Barroids these days.

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01-30-2006, 02:31 PM

quote: ive seen piazza stand up on a ball in the dirt and have it go right through his legs. Name me one catcher that hasn't had that happen from time to time. I saw that happen to Calton Fisk, Thurman Munson, I-Rod, all of them more than once. Balls can take a bad hop off the dirt and scoot right under you even if you close your legs properly. That can happen to anyone, and does. But I'll agree with you that most catchers dont get better defensively as they get older. But if they keep themselves in good shape (Piazza does) some can still do the job into their late 30's-early 40's like Fisk. Or more recently Benito Santiago.  

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cougarjake13

01-30-2006, 03:25 PM

i loved piazza as a met and i agree he shoulda went to the AL, but i guess personal records were more important to him then possibly winning a championship with the angels if they were interested.<img src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Darren%20Jakobsen/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/cougarsigpic2.JPG" align="absBottom" border="0" />

Snoogans

01-30-2006, 04:05 PM

Name me one catcher that hasn't had that happen from time to time. ok, i dont think you get me. He didnt go to stand up and have it scoot through his legs. He stood completely straight up and the ball was almost rolling. I mean this ball past 3 feet underneath his glove, it was worse then any little league move and i mean this with 100% honesty 

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02-01-2006, 11:05 AM

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spoon

02-06-2006, 09:30 PM

Jays add catcher with golden glove and plenty of pop.<a href="http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060206&content_id=1307603&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor">http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060206&content_id=1307603&vkey=n ews_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor</a>

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02-07-2006, 02:41 AM

Not to mention a clutch player as well. Great move by the Jays. I'm beginning to wonder if there is a favorite in the AL east. Red Sox with Crisp and Beckett should be similar to last year. Jays are clearly better, Yanks are the usual favorite. Could be totally up for grabs this year, and come down to injuries and who how the starters pan out. Everyone has question marks in their rotations. Sox have issues in the bullpen as well.  

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02-07-2006, 03:30 AM

quote: Jays add catcher with golden glove and plenty of pop.  Gotta respect a team that claims it's going to go out & spend some money, then actually makes more moves than they alluded to.  Especially when you can't argue with most of them.  Barring dismal (and out of character) seasons or costly injuries to key players, there's no way the Jays aren't going to be real players in the AL playoff picture.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=spe5150" border="0" />

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02-07-2006, 12:41 PM

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El Mudo

02-07-2006, 05:58 PM

Fuckin' jackoffs on the DC Council just shot down the stadium lease deal.... I swear to god these morons could strike oil and find a way to mess that up....Which if you think about it, they have in this case....A stadium in S'east would be a gigantic economic boon to this effin' city, and they're throwing it away...I could not be more pissed right now <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=BigCoop" border="0" /> Powered by <a href="http://www.cgispy.com/">CGISpy.com</a> .... I went up to Little Big Horn...Not a single word was said...'cept one old lonely ghost sayin' "General's still dead...General's still dead"Thanks Monsterone And Fallon

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02-07-2006, 05:58 PM

les double post <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=BigCoop" border="0" /> Powered by <a href="http://www.cgispy.com/">CGISpy.com</a> .... I went up to Little Big Horn...Not a single word was said...'cept one old lonely ghost sayin' "General's still dead...General's still dead"Thanks Monsterone And Fallon

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spoon

02-07-2006, 08:07 PM

I hope you're wrong coug, but I feel the same way.  The chemistry will be key as the Jays added a ton a new blood and some people still there lost their starting jobs (Greg Zaun).  Let's also not forget that they are by far the youngest of the AL East's now big three and this will hurt them early, but the next few years look really good.  Perhaps next year is too soon, but they surely will be players.  Overall pitching is where the Jays have a clear advantage over both the Yanks and Sox.  Their staff has two horses in their prime (right around 30), and their number 3 is fucking Lily.  Ending the rotation are two guys (Towers & Chaucin) who had better era's (both under 4) then anyone on either the Yank's or Sox's whole starting staffs.  However, the Yanks have the edge in terms of batting lineup.  There is very little room to work around batters in that lineup.  

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El Mudo wrote: Fuckin' jackoffs on the DC Council just shot down the stadium lease deal.... I swear to god these morons could strike oil and find a way to mess that up....Which if you think about it, they have in this case....A stadium in S'east would be a gigantic economic boon to this effin' city, and they're throwing it away...I could not be more pissed right now <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=BigCoop" border="0" /> Powered by <a href="http://www.cgispy.com/">CGISpy.com</a> .... I went up to Little Big Horn...Not a single word was said...'cept one old lonely ghost sayin' "General's still dead...General's still dead"Thanks Monsterone And Fallon This message was edited by El Mudo on 2-7-06 @ 10:00 PM This reminds me of when The Squire moved the Redskins out to Raljon.

BoondockSaint

02-08-2006, 07:09 AM

Hopefully El Mudo hasn't jumped off a bridge yet. Feb. 8 (Bloomberg) -- The District of Columbia Council approved a lease for a new stadium for baseball's Washington Nationals, hours after rejecting it over cost concerns. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aV3ViVy907jE&refer=us)

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cougarjake13

02-08-2006, 12:34 PM

spoon wrote: I hope you're wrong coug, but I feel the same way.  The chemistry will be key as the Jays added a ton a new blood and some people still there lost their starting jobs (Greg Zaun).  Let's also not forget that they are by far the youngest of the AL East's now big three and this will hurt them early, but the next few years look really good.  Perhaps next year is too soon, but they surely will be players.  Overall pitching is where the Jays have a clear advantage over both the Yanks and Sox.  Their staff has two horses in their prime (right around 30), and their number 3 is fucking Lily.  Ending the rotation are two guys (Towers & Chaucin) who had better era's (both under 4) then anyone on either the Yank's or Sox's whole starting staffs.  However, the Yanks have the edge in terms of batting lineup.  There is very little room to work around batters in that lineup.    the yankees are and forever will be contenders for the AL east championship unless selig or some future commish makes up rules that prevent the yankees from spending the way they currently do.. and there's also the possibility that the next owner of the yanks (after dear old george goes to yankee heaven) won't spend the way george does.but I'm not convinced that boston has a good enough team to give them the wild card or win the AL east, beckett was a good pickup but is injury prone, as is schilling, who knows if he'll ever return to the way he was in 2004, bullpen is kinda shaky, maybe folke regains his form, and with damon gone we'll have to wait and see if coco crisp can put up similar numbers or at least 75% of his production, manny isn't happy, but when is he ever happy, too many question marks for the sawx.that leaves the door open for toronto, who i think have enough pitching to contend for the wild card, they have a decent lineup and if they were to win the wild card they'd face either the central or west division champions(whoever has the better record, probably the angels and white sox) and in a short series i like the blue jays chances against either of those teams or the a's, twins, or indians if they were to win their respective divisions.( also potential wild card contenders)<img src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Darren%20Jakobsen/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/cougarsigpic2.JPG" align="absBottom" border="0" />

Bulldogcakes

02-08-2006, 01:45 PM

The Blue Jays can pitch, top to bottom. They needed closer and a little pop in the lineup, they got both in the off season. Watching them play the Yanks (they owned the Redsox last year) I could see they were getting close last year, and were a tough out. Now that they've filled their holes I think this year's up for grabs.  Any of the three could finish first or third.

El Mudo

02-08-2006, 04:22 PM

Don't worry Boondock...I didn't...

I went to sleep really angry, and didn't even look at any of the papers this morning before I left the house...

Soon as I get to work I glanced at the Post and see they approved a lease deal at 1240 am last night....It made my entire day...dare to say it got a li'l bit dusty in the room...

Hopefully we can put this mess behind us, and baseball will never leave DC again....

I hope we do well this year, but because of this mess, the Braves, Mets, and Phils all got progressively better, and we did not, with the exception of Soriano...Starters are an issue after Livan and JP, Armas is inconsistent, Loaiza, who was great last year, is in Oakland, although I hope Ramon Ortiz can be of some help...Got no worries about the 'pen with Chief and Majewski etc....With RFK the way it is we have to pitch well and play D to win...

I'm afraid to be too optimistic at this point...

Bulldogcakes

02-13-2006, 04:30 PM

<a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060211&content_id=1309968&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy" target="_self" title="Tino Martinez signs. . . . . as an ESPN analyst">Tino Martinez signs. . . . . as an ESPN analyst</a>  According to a report in the St. Petersburg Times
late last week, Martinez will be joining ESPN as an in-studio analyst.
You may see Tino in a nice pinstriped suit, but it won't be one with
the number 24 on the back.
Assuming Martinez's playing days are over, he closes out his
career with a .271 average, 339 home runs and 1,271 RBIs. During his
seven years with the Yanks, Martinez hit 192 homers and drove in 739
runs.
 <a href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060211&content_id=1309968&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy" target="_self" title="Tino Martinez signs. . . . . as an ESPN analyst"></a>

Bulldogcakes

02-13-2006, 04:40 PM

<h1><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2329689" target="_self" title="Pavano coming back from shoulder injury">Pavano coming back from shoulder injury</a></h1>"It feels fine," Pavano said. "I'm very eager. I want to go out there
and do my job, go out there and pitch, put up innings and wins." Mel Stottlemeyer thinks he's the key to the Yanks chances this year. We'll see. I think they'll be fine during the regular season, but I still dont like their pitching in a short series. Pavano, Wang and Chacon need to be at their best for the Yanks to go far in the playoffs. I dont expect much from The Big Eunich or Moose anymore.

Bulldogcakes

02-14-2006, 02:22 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=klapisch_bob&id=2325941" target="_self" title="Astros, Red Sox, and Yanks still chasing Clemens ">Astros, Red Sox, and Yanks still chasing Clemens </a> 
Baseball executives speak with one voice when they say that without
Clemens, the Astros are doomed as a wild-card entry, let alone
finishing second in the National League Central. And those same
industry voices are saying the Red Sox, still sorting through the
residue of a frenetic offseason, won't win 95 games again unless they
can pluck the Rocket from Houston before May 1.
In fact, the Boston Globe says a face-to-face meeting between
Clemens and Red Sox officials might already have taken place last week.
With so much at stake, it's no wonder that Clemens' agents are
fielding a steady stream of just-checking-in phone calls from GMs,
including the Yankees' Brian Cashman. He all but revealed the team's
courting strategy this week, saying, "Roger's got a great place in our
history. It doesn't mean history can't continue to be written."
  I know he had great #'s last year, but I think the deep AL lineups would be too much for him at his age. He needs those easy outs/innings. His best move is back with the Astros, I suspect the Yanks are just driving up the price for the Sox if they get close. I could also see Roger wanting to go back Boston, and finish his career where he started it. And he's always said he loved his years playing in Boston. He was running out of gas in his last year w/the Yanks, and that was two years ago. The NL gave his career new life. Even if the Sox get him, I think the Yanks would do well  against him. They hit him well in his prime years, and those were a long time ago.  <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=klapisch_bob&id=2325941" target="_self" title="Astros, Red Sox, and Yanks still chasing Clemens "></a>

Bulldogcakes

02-14-2006, 02:25 PM

More grist for the rumor mill
The Sox are just as hopeful (or anxious) about <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6403"></a><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6403">Josh Beckett</a>,
who has the chance to be a young Schilling -- or just Josh Beckett,
who's won more than nine games just once in his career and whose ERA on
the road last year was almost two runs higher than at Pro Player
Stadium. There's a whispering campaign under way about Beckett's
health, as well, focused on his right shoulder that's in rougher shape
than anyone at Fenway is letting on. It's no secret that at least one
Red Sox executive was ready to kill the Beckett trade with Florida
after an MRI of the right-hander's shoulder revealed excessive wear and
tear. Thats news to me, and may explain why the Yanks were unwilling to part w/Wang to get him.

Bulldogcakes

02-14-2006, 02:49 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2329694" target="_self" title="Really nice story. Who says George doesn't have a heart?!">Really nice story. Who says George doesn't have a heart?!</a>LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- A 12-year-old <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy">New York Yankees</a>
fan who saved $1,000 so he could go to a game in the Bronx gave up the
money to help keep his local school open. Then Yankees owner George
Steinbrenner found out about the boy's charity and invited him to New
York.Arkansas' state Board of Education had considered merging Midland
schools into any of seven surrounding districts, but voted Monday to
keep the district alive after townspeople raised $400,000 to cover a
projected budget shortfall. Farrar donated $1,000 that he had set aside
to pay for a trip to New York this summer for a belated celebration of
his 13th birthday in May.Steinbrenner said in the letter he had
heard about Farrar's efforts, and he invited Farrar to New York for a
game at Yankee Stadium. Steinbrenner offered Farrar a personal tour of
the stadium and of the field during batting practice. He also replaced
Jonathan's $1,000. Not only the best owner in all of team sports, but a swell guy to boot.  <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2329694" target="_self" title="Really nice story. Who says George doesn't have a heart?!"></a>

Tall_James

02-14-2006, 03:00 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a title="Really nice story. Who says George doesn't have a heart?!" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2329694" target="_self">Really nice story. Who says George doesn't have a heart?!</a> LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- A 12-year-old <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy">New York Yankees</a> fan who saved $1,000 so he could go to a game in the Bronx gave up the money to help keep his local school open. Then Yankees owner George Steinbrenner found out about the boy's charity and invited him to New York.  Arkansas' state Board of Education had considered merging Midland schools into any of seven surrounding districts, but voted Monday to keep the district alive after townspeople raised $400,000 to cover a projected budget shortfall. Farrar donated $1,000 that he had set aside to pay for a trip to New York this summer for a belated celebration of his 13th birthday in May.Steinbrenner said in the letter he had heard about Farrar's efforts, and he invited Farrar to New York for a game at Yankee Stadium. Steinbrenner offered Farrar a personal tour of the stadium and of the field during batting practice. He also replaced Jonathan's $1,000.    Not only the best owner in all of team sports, but a swell guy to boot.  <a title="Really nice story. Who says George doesn't have a heart?!" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2329694" target="_self"></a>OK, I'll give you the "swell guy" because that was a really nice thing to do but the "best owner in all of team sports"? C'mon.  That's is a stretch of Armstrongian proportions.