Monday Night RAW Discussion

[Kevin]

Oh boy..

[Dirtbag]

If you think Barret has no crowed reaction, Then Im afraid I've got some BAD NEWS

Its the last time he'll get anywhere near that till they're back in the UK. Or after WM31.

I love the guy, but he's just not gonna catch on with casual fans.

[cougarjake13]

Im already a BoLiever



Much better then his last callup I hope

[cougarjake13]

He should have ran into the rings.

He might have died though.



He looked like he was having trouble walking and maybe if it wasnt like a mile and half from curtain to ring he might have tried a tiny run

[cougarjake13]

Its the last time he'll get anywhere near that till they're back in the UK. Or after WM31.

I love the guy, but he's just not gonna catch on with casual fans.


Ill disagree bc he was popluar as leader of nexus and he seemed to be getting a main event push until that injury sidelined him for awhile a few years back that they wrote in injury with his fued with orton where orton threw him down the stairs and hes just been hovering since

but the bad news barrett has caught on so as long as he keeps up with occasional podium stuff and backstage interviews with his new catch phrase I think hell be ok

And we need new blood ... I think were all tired of orton batista etc

[Kevin]

DIZZZZZZAMN

Paige is HOT

[WRESTLINGFAN]

NXT is taking over

[cougarjake13]

DIZZZZZZAMN

Paige is HOT



Fuck yeh she is

Although that win for title looked crappy

[Kevin]

Wow, not even this crowed gives a fuck about Hogan..

[Kevin]

YES YES YES YES

Fantastic!

[MIKEYDAKEN]

This is the best raw in years.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tonight's Raw is a 1000X better than yesterday's Mania

[Kevin]

I think HHH is finally starting to put his stamp on this company, and I have to say, he is doing a hell of a job.

Besides getting his old friends paid, which really anyone would do, he has been doing a fantastic job.

[Kevin]

Cesaro is just a freak of nature.

[styckx]

Between Mania and this RAW. I'm nearly convinced WWE is finally moving on past the status quo and developing the next breed of Superstars.. This RAW has been great.. And it's not even the crowd.. They are actually booking in a way that makes sense.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Shield face turn coming up!

[cougarjake13]

And unless they plan on going long by time they come back from commercial itll already be 11pm so I think trips does his entrance bryan does his kane and shield surround

And vince comes back to claim his shit

Cause trips n steph have been saying a lot of my and ours not even mentioning vince

[cougarjake13]

Shield face turn coming up!



Thats almost a given as well

And notice stephs words

An injustice

Like what theyre trying to do to bryan

[cougarjake13]

Yup shield face turn looks eminent now

[Kevin]

3 MB CHANTS OUT OF NOWHERE..

What a crowed.

[cougarjake13]

3 MB CHANTS OUT OF NOWHERE..

What a crowed.



Loved it

[Kevin]

Goddamn, I have not been this excited about WWE since the attitude era

This is awesome shit.

[styckx]

That RAW was booked nearly perfect from top to bottom. Same with Mania.. Wow. It doesn't seem like their typical "just please the internet for two days" shtick either.. They seriously seem to be an entirely different company.

[Kevin]

That RAW was booked nearly perfect from top to bottom. Same with Mania.. Wow. It doesn't seem like their typical "just please the internet for two days" shtick either.. They seriously seem to be an entirely different company.


I think its the getting it out of awful Stephanie and out of touch Vince hands and into HHH

He really seems to know what he is doing.

[cougarjake13]

Hopefully it does last

[RingWraith]

I think its the getting it out of awful Stephanie and out of touch Vince hands and into HHH

He really seems to know what he is doing.

You may have a point. Lately it feels like I'm watching a wrestling show and not some lame over the top storylines. I HOPE this keeps up.

Now if only they can do something about John Cena.

[cougarjake13]

You may have a point. Lately it feels like I'm watching a wrestling show and not some lame over the top storylines. I HOPE this keeps up.

Now if only they can do something about John Cena.

Kinda have

I mean they could have made him the first wwe world champ and didnt

Feels like forever since he had belt too

[styckx]

What they need to do is make Smackdown significant again. I remember when shit used to actually happen on that show.

[newport king]

Paige is very hot. And from what ive seen on NXT can really wrestle. 1st match wins title.

WWE would be smart to realize Heyman can get guys over the way Bobby Heenan got over the Heenan Family.

[cougarjake13]

Paige is very hot. And from what ive seen on NXT can really wrestle. 1st match wins title.

WWE would be smart to realize Heyman can get guys over the way Bobby Heenan got over the Heenan Family.


I think they have although he couldn't do much for ryback and axel

[Kevin]

I think they have although he couldn't do much for ryback and axel



Hayman is not a miracle worker. Rybak had zero wrestling ability and Axel zero personality. Cesaro has both in spades. He will do wonders for him.

[cougarjake13]

Hayman is not a miracle worker. Rybak had zero wrestling ability and Axel zero personality. Cesaro has both in spades. He will do wonders for him.



I agree

[newport king]

Heenan was able to elevate guys with zero ability to midcard status...problem is nowadays is WWE creative's ADD/OCD. Let things play out. I was listening to a podcast and the guy brought up a great point, he basically said 2 things,

1. I dont think the RAW after Mania crowd (their most loyal fans) can be any clearer that we're tired of John Cena.
And
2. Its pretty apparent that 2 years in a row now, that RAW crowd absolutely shits on every guy the WWE begs us to root for. The guys that are over are the guys that we KNOW can be good but arent given a shot because we need to see Randy Orton or John Cena or stupid Sheamus for the 400th time. (Remember the pop Ziggler got last year? How bout Barrett's last night)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There are so many wrestlers that are over, they should split the titles up again. I could see Cesaro as WHC down the road

[newport king]

There are so many wrestlers that are over, they should split the titles up again. I could see Cesaro as WHC down the road


The problem is no one gives a shit about WHC and all it does is take away from the IC belts importance

[Kevin]

A legit fed in any sport needs 1 main belt. That's why boxing is such a joke.

World Champ then IC. IC for the up and comer and US for mid card

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The problem is no one gives a shit about WHC and all it does is take away from the IC belts importance

I know, but in a way it should carry more weight than it does. The WHC belt goes back over 100 years.

Sad that at one time the IC title was a prelude for WWE Title. Now they just give it anyone. US Belt is a bigger joke. It's hardly defended

[Kevin]

When was the first guy to hold the IC belt and not considered the defacto #1 contender?

The first one I can remember is Razor.. I don't think he had 1 match for the title..

[newport king]

Savage eventually got his shot but Hogan had a LONG run where they didnt cross paths

[newport king]

I dont think Honky Tonk Man ever got a shot

[Kevin]

Honky technically doesn't count since Warrior did after. I think Razor was the first one that started the trend

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Owen never got that title run either and he had the IC strap twice

[Kevin]

I could swear Owen had a title match vs Brett

[cougarjake13]

I think he did vs bret

And its hard to say he nvr got his shot bc who knew what plans were for him b4 he died

[MIKEYDAKEN]

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0409/573000/the-ultimate-warrior-passes-away-at-54/
crazy.

[RingWraith]

Unbelievable! Ultimate Warrior passes away.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/ultimate-warrior-passes-away-26223975

[Kevin]

He did look like he was barely breathing last night...

And the way he was shaking the ropes was odd..

I wonder if he knew he would die, would that speech be any different?

[Kevin]

ABC News has it, so its legit..

[Kevin]

Going back and watching his raw speech... Its like he knew he was going to die..

It was strange

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[cougarjake13]

Def seemed more off then normal

[newport king]

The Network will be airing a Warrior tribute at 8

[newport king]

Scratch that. Its just WM6

[Kevin]

I watched Smackdown a little earlier..

Man did that crowed suck a bag of dicks.

After a great week of crowds, this one blew ass.

[cougarjake13]

Sd usually sux

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sure does, it's been almost a year since the last comment in that thread

[Kevin]

i Don't know if they cut down the noise to pump in chants and block out others but it sucks.

Also they better get Cesaro some intro music soon. Him coming out to nothing sucks.

And WHY do they continue to make the tag belts look worthless.

They made the Usos be squashed by Bootista and Orton twice in a row now. Use some other damn tag team.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They are really milking those WrestleMania numbers over a week since the event

[newport king]

My DVR has really been fucking up on recording RAW lately. It actually says the 9pm hour is a repeat on the channel guide. Did i miss anything in the first 45min?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Show opened with a Warrior tribute, then RVD beat Del Rio in the IC title tourney.

[newport king]

This is how little the belts mean...who was the IC champ and why was it vacated?

[Kevin]

Big E... probably roids

[Kevin]

Oh it's a #1 contender tourney

[newport king]

Ohhhhhh...lets go Ziggler!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

DB isn't there tonight. Brie and him are on their honeymoon

[newport king]

Now that i see the tourney bracket, is there any chance Cesaro doesnt win the whole thing? And poor Ziggler is reduced to enhancement talent. I read somewhere he mouthed off and pissed off either orton or cena. Bad move. Barrett will be going over him in rd1

[newport king]

You guys think Vince realizes the unbeatable monster gimmick that hes been trying to get over since the 80s doesnt work? I give it 3 months before Rusev is dancing in the ring like Brodus Clay

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I was just thinking that. Remember when Cena did the job to Tensai? A few months later he became a dancing fool

[newport king]

Fucking Sheamus gets chance after chance.

[Kevin]

Its going to be pretty hard to keep the Wyatts heel.

Its getting towards the Stone Cold level.

[Kevin]

SanRusev

[newport king]

Cena should just come out and beg the fans to love him

[newport king]

Alabama fucking sucks

[newport king]

I wonder why they went with Hes got the whole world instead of Time is on my side...guessing the Stones have better lawyers.

[cougarjake13]

Now that i see the tourney bracket, is there any chance Cesaro doesnt win the whole thing? And poor Ziggler is reduced to enhancement talent. I read somewhere he mouthed off and pissed off either orton or cena. Bad move. Barrett will be going over him in rd1





Has to be cesaro - barrett in final

[newport king]

This crowd blows

[Kevin]

I just dont understand why Dolph gets no respect.

[Kevin]

This crowd blows

Of course it does, its a southern hayseed crowed.

[newport king]

I just dont understand why Dolph gets no respect.


He mentioned Orton in an interview . basically asked why he gets chance after chance.

[Kevin]

Its the shield vs the Jobbers

[Kevin]

Raw just took a step back..

Didn't think it would last.

[cougarjake13]

Raw just took a step back..

Didn't think it would last.



The crowd or evolution?

Cause I'm hoping evolutions return is only to help get guys over and not total dominance

[Kevin]

The crowd or evolution?

Cause I'm hoping evolutions return is only to help get guys over and not total dominance

I guess as long as they don't do weekly beat downs of the Shield like they did with Bryan, its ok.

They need to have the Sheild Super Power Bomb HHH next week.

I'm also not happy with another Kane monster gimmick. He is done already.

And the crowd as all southern crowds, sucked a bag of dicks.

[RingWraith]

This crowd blows

Agreed! I hate watching Raw with a dead crowd. Although maybe it's because they announced before the show that Daniel Bryan is not on the show and that probably killed the crowd's mood. But I wouldn't be surprised that crowd would be dead regardless if DB was there.

[RingWraith]

I guess as long as they don't do weekly beat downs of the Shield like they did with Bryan, its ok.

They need to have the Sheild Super Power Bomb HHH next week.

I'm also not happy with another Kane monster gimmick. He is done already.

And the crowd as all southern crowds, sucked a bag of dicks.

I'm with ya. I actually like "corporate Kane" cause it's something different for once.

Oh and I wish last week's crowd was something you see EVERY week on Raw, but sadly doesn't happen.

[Kevin]

I'm with ya. I actually like "corporate Kane" cause it's something different for once.

Oh and I wish last week's crowd was something you see EVERY week on Raw, but sadly doesn't happen.

They need to start focusing on doing Raw in the east and west, UK, Canada and some central like Chicago and leave smackdown to the hayseeds.

Also, I would love to see a WM in England, that and the Raw crowed after, would be nuts.

[DarkHippie]

They need to start focusing on doing Raw in the east and west, UK, Canada and some central like Chicago and leave smackdown to the hayseeds.

Also, I would love to see a WM in England, that and the Raw crowed after, would be nuts.

The English crowds are psychotic. That would be fucking fantastic

[TjM]

The English crowds are psychotic. That would be fucking fantastic

And make William Regal the host

[Kevin]

And make William Regal the host

Bad News Barrett

LONDON, I'M AFRAID I'VE GOT SOME BAAAAAAAAAAD NEWWWWS.

[Kevin]

Wait, so David Otunga really DID graduate Harvard Law?

I thought it was a gimmick!

From Wiki!

Following his graduation, he moved to New York City, where he became a laboratory manager in Columbia University's Cognitive Neuroscience Center.[7] He later attended Harvard Law School, passing Illinois' bar exam.[4][8] Following his graduation, he joined the Sidley Austin law firm.

[TripleSkeet]

You guys think Vince realizes the unbeatable monster gimmick that hes been trying to get over since the 80s doesnt work? I give it 3 months before Rusev is dancing in the ring like Brodus Clay

He will never learn. It goes all the way back to Ted Arcidi. He really thinks Hogans size was what got him over. He dont realize without that charisma he was nothing more than a smaller Big John Studd.

[Kevin]

Rusev looks like a create a fat guy in WWE 2K14

Lana is HOT though

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Back to the big red machine Kane

[cougarjake13]

Stephs voice is killing me

Worse then vikki Guerrero

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sheamus fans.


I'm afraid I've got some bad news for you

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bray is getting better each week on the mic

[newport king]

Wyatts and The Shield are the only reason to watch. Not sure the WWEUniverse knows that song. They should put the words and the bouncing ball on the Titantron

[cougarjake13]

Kinda fucked up what barrett said

[newport king]

The irony of Hornswaggle having a chest tattoo that says "cant bring me down" is just too much

[cougarjake13]

The irony of Hornswaggle having a chest tattoo that says "cant bring me down" is just too much



Hahaha

Yes

[newport king]

Kinda fucked up what barrett said


What did he say?

[newport king]

Remember the early 2000s when Evolution was popular and no one watched? I dont. Because i wasnt watching. Their insignia looks like a shitty car emblem. And fuck you JBL. "Evolution was the greatest faction of all time." Really? Really? Horsemen? NWO? DX? Heenan Family? Fabulous Freebirds? GTFO...oh as im writing this we needed a refresher on Evolution. You know why? NO ONE WAS FUCKING WATCHING LAST TIME.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Kinda fucked up what barrett said

I think he more meant the beating Kane gave him rather than the dead dad thing

[cougarjake13]

What did he say?





Well im not sure if he meant it that way and prob meant it referring to the kane beatdown

But when he came out and said bad news for shaemus but not as bad as daniel Bryans news


Bryans dad died

[Kevin]

Well im not sure if he meant it that way and prob meant it referring to the kane beatdown

But when he came out and said bad news for shaemus but not as bad as daniel Bryans news


Bryans dad died



Jesus.. I'm afraid I've got some bad news about Barrett after that.

[newport king]

Well im not sure if he meant it that way and prob meant it referring to the kane beatdown

But when he came out and said bad news for shaemus but not as bad as daniel Bryans news


Bryans dad died

Yeah im sure he meant the beatdown. I guess it was recent. Maybe thats why they beat him down so he could leave. It looked like hed been crying.

[newport king]

Can someone in wardrobe tell King, Ed Hardy style bedazzled t-shirts went out of style in 2008?

[cougarjake13]

Yeah im sure he meant the beatdown. I guess it was recent. Maybe thats why they beat him down so he could leave. It looked like hed been crying.



Yeh I saw that when he came out
Thought theyd at least let him say something

[newport king]

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Has Piper completely lost his fucking mind? He claimed on twitter to have slapped Nash. As much as i dont like Nash i'm not believing he bitch slapped a 7ft monster. Now this.

[Kevin]

Why is Cesaro coming out to a there is a fire at the disco music?

[cougarjake13]

And then nothing but heyman talking about lesnar

[newport king]

I legit hate fucking Cena at this point. No one counts you out you fucking goober. I know youre always the underdog fighting from the bottom. Right out of that 20Million dollar mansion.

[Kevin]

And then nothing but heyman talking about lesnar

Im starting to think its a bad paring, Cesaro was becoming a huge face.. Hayman is killing it with his annoyance and Lesnar talk

[Kevin]

Unless they are setting up a Cesaro Hayman break up.. This is AWFUL.

[cougarjake13]

Unless they are setting up a Cesaro Hayman break up.. This is AWFUL.



Why even pair them then ?

For 2 weeks and then kibosh ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's awful like when Bryan was with the Wyatt's

[Kevin]

If it wasn't for Lana, Rusev would be an automatic change the channel moment

[Kevin]

Is there a Cena Heel turn coming?

A all I've done and you turned on me, angry heel Cena?

I would love it, but don't see it..

Though Hogan turned heel because of the boos..

[cougarjake13]

If it wasn't for Lana, Rusev would be an automatic change the channel moment






Yes ... and u have to time it just right so ur not finishing with his sweaty hairy ass on screen

[cougarjake13]

Is there a Cena Heel turn coming?

A all I've done and you turned on me, angry heel Cena?

I would love it, but don't see it..

Though Hogan turned heel because of the boos..






If they ever did it wouldnt be full heel

Maybe an edgier angry but still somewhat super cena. .. a half bizzaro super cena perhaps

[cougarjake13]

I think the only way a full cena heel turn happens is if hes gonna retire soon does like a 6 month heel program then face turns back and retires

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Could be good for merch sales but bad too especially with younger fans if he goes the Hogan route

Best thing about Evolution. Randy Orton found pants

[cougarjake13]

I wonder if theyll add a younger guy like bo dallas so at least one good thing may come from them coming back

[newport king]

I wonder if theyll add a younger guy like bo dallas so at least one good thing may come from them coming back

Nah they seem to be going with the annoying motivational crybaby shit with him

[Kevin]

Triple H seems to have a massive inferiority complex. He must believe he only got where he is because of Stephanie.. His King of Kings thing and constant angles where he is or has to be called the boss.