Monday Night RAW Discussion

[newport king]

God that belt gets uglier every time i see it

[newport king]

Goldust was over pretty big

[styckx]

This is fucking retarded.. WWE are seriously managing to fuck this up

[newport king]

Thwagger

[newport king]

Ted DiBiase looks great

[styckx]

Turning this off. Million Dollar Man getting a jobber entrance.. Fuck this company..

[Kevin]

Sad that Honkey still keeps the same hair style.

[Kevin]

Fandango seriously?

[newport king]

A guitar is a great foreign object. Havent seen it used since J-E-doubleF.. J-A-doubleR-E-doubleT

[newport king]

I hate to be one of those "i miss the attitude era" guys. But do we remember Sable's bikini? Marlena fellating cigars?Trish in bra and panties? Barking like a dog? Litas live sex celebration? Now the closest thing we get to a racy moment is the Funkadactyls rubbing their asses together on their entrance.

[Kevin]

Wow, this may be the worst gimmick ever made..

Is he going sell us movie tickets?

[newport king]

He did the exact same thing on SD! Way to know your audience vince

[DarkHippie]

How can you use a "spanish ballroom dancer" gimmick and not speak like The World's Most Interesting Man?

[Dirtbag]

A guitar is a great foreign object. Havent seen it used since J-E-doubleF.. J-A-doubleR-E-doubleT

Smashed a million guitars and never drew a dime.

[newport king]

Smashed a million guitars and never drew a dime.


Yeah he really sucked. I just liked how he spelled his name

[cougarjake13]

I hate to be one of those "i miss the attitude era" guys. But do we remember Sable's bikini? Marlena fellating cigars?Trish in bra and panties? Barking like a dog? Litas live sex celebration? Now the closest thing we get to a racy moment is the Funkadactyls rubbing their asses together on their entrance.

hell lita and edges live sex celebration wasn't even part of attitude era or at least was on tail end of it
no way we ever see or not see anything close to that ever again

[Dirtbag]

Yeah he really sucked. I just liked how he spelled his name

That was one of the quotes from someone on the Rise and Fall of WCW DVD. They were overall very fair to WCW but Jeff Jarrett and the whole David Arquette situation (rightfully) got shit dumped all over them.

[Kevin]

Hey look, its Dolph Ziggler from the future!

[Kevin]

Both Main events were known for months..

So sad...

[TripleSkeet]

That was one of the quotes from someone on the Rise and Fall of WCW DVD. They were overall very fair to WCW but Jeff Jarrett and the whole David Arquette situation (rightfully) got shit dumped all over them.

Well you know why they shit all over Jarret right? When he left for WCW he found out his cotract expired the night before the PPV where he had to drop the IC belt to Chyna. Basically he made Vince pay him like a years salary to work that one night or he was gonna take the IC Belt to Nitro.

[TripleSkeet]

Its one thing to be predictable. We all new it was gonna be Rock / Cena, HHH / Brock and Taker / Punk for awhile now. But they arent even creative about it. You have the Undertaker come out on the ramp to start Raw and then go back in? How awful. Im convinced I could do a better job writing for this fucking company. CM Punk is going after Undertaker to hurt the fans? Because its their fault he lost? Thats the best they could come up with? Horrendous.

Tonights Raw sucked camel dick. The best part about the whole show for me was The Rock burying Lance Armstrong. They still keep jobbing out Ziggler to no end. This time making him tap out. Wow.

Fandangos career is already over. Just like Brodus Clay. 2 more future "stars" whose careers the WWE has robbed.

Ill tell you another thing, I was expecting Cena cheers tonight being it was in Buffalo, and even I was shocked he barely got 50/50 and they got a very vocal CENA SUCKS chant going. I cannot wait to see how bad they rip this guy when he comes to NY.

I dont know how they did it, but they wound up taking a Wrestlemania featuring The Rock, Brock Lesnar, HHH, CM Punk, John Cena, and The Undertaker, and somehow made me not even a little excited to watch it. Thats fucking amazing actually.

[Kevin]

Well you know why they shit all over Jarret right? When he left for WCW he found out his cotract expired the night before the PPV where he had to drop the IC belt to Chyna. Basically he made Vince pay him like a years salary to work that one night or he was gonna take the IC Belt to Nitro.

Funny part is all that money was for nothing because Vince threw the belt into the garbage himself..

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Well you know why they shit all over Jarret right? When he left for WCW he found out his cotract expired the night before the PPV where he had to drop the IC belt to Chyna. Basically he made Vince pay him like a years salary to work that one night or he was gonna take the IC Belt to Nitro.

well that and he started TNA. In wwe 13 you can play the attitude era and the only names blurred out in the deadly game survivor series is al snow and jarret.

[hanso]

heard about last show on o&a I would watch a retro raw

[newport king]

Why the Al Snow hate?

[cougarjake13]

well that and he started TNA. In wwe 13 you can play the attitude era and the only names blurred out in the deadly game survivor series is al snow and jarret.



bc they're in Tna I guess

[styckx]

One of my favorite moments

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[MIKEYDAKEN]

One of my favorite moments

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you know he had to have a giant hard-on when he did that, the look of satisfaction on his face is golden.

[cougarjake13]

you know he had to have a giant hard-on when he did that, the look of satisfaction on his face is golden.



his voice sounds so weird

[styckx]

you know he had to have a giant hard-on when he did that, the look of satisfaction on his face is golden.

Without a doubt.. He probably rubbed one out while watching the replay of it.

[TripleSkeet]

But he spelled out Goonnee.

[TripleSkeet]

They say the thing Vince hates most is when people go back on their word. Thats why he had such a problem with Luger too. Luger had told him he was re-signing, then just popped up on Nitro. I believe theres a clip from that same Raw where McMahon makes referance to Luger as well.

[Kevin]

I wonder if Angle belongs on that list.

He told everyone he needed a break then showed up on TNA...

Watching him vs Cena makes me miss rapper Cena.

He really was great at it.

You obviously haven't majored in Hugganomics EAST SIDE!

[DarkHippie]

I wonder if Angle belongs on that list.

He told everyone he needed a break then showed up on TNA...

Watching him vs Cena makes me miss rapper Cena.

He really was great at it.

You obviously haven't majored in Hugganomics EAST SIDE!

I would love to see Angle back in the WWE. I think that most of his time right now is focused on the bullshit Olympic removal of wrestling.

HOW CAN YOU FUCKING REMOVE WRESTLING? That's like taking out the fucking decathalon

[cougarjake13]

I wonder if Angle belongs on that list.

He told everyone he needed a break then showed up on TNA...

Watching him vs Cena makes me miss rapper Cena.

He really was great at it.

You obviously haven't majored in Hugganomics EAST SIDE!



from what I remember hearing it was angle wanted to keep wrestling but wwe wouldnt let him or at least take time off or something bc of his neck issue

[DarkHippie]

I wonder what kind of tribute they'll do for Paul Bearer on Friday?

[newport king]

from what I remember hearing it was angle wanted to keep wrestling but wwe wouldnt let him or at least take time off or something bc of his neck issue

That was around the time i stopped watching. I think he came on R&F to promote and he was pretty honest about his neck issues, addiction to pain killers and the tough travel schedule of wwe. He sounded pretty high

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I remember when Paul Bearer was known as Percy Pringle in World Class Wrestling

[TripleSkeet]

I remember when Paul Bearer was known as Percy Pringle in World Class Wrestling

Me too. It was always hard for me to see him in the WWE and not picture him with the bleach blonde hair and moustache. He looked like a fatter Capt. Kangaroo.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Me too. It was always hard for me to see him in the WWE and not picture him with the bleach blonde hair and moustache. He looked like a fatter Capt. Kangaroo.


Good description of him

Used to catch the tv tapings of World Class on espn back in the mid to late 80's

Btw how many Von Erich's are left? I know a couple committed suicide and 1 died of natural causes

[Heather 8]

Good description of him

Used to catch the tv tapings of World Class on espn back in the mid to late 80's

Btw how many Von Erich's are left? I know a couple committed suicide and 1 died of natural causes

Kevin's the only brother still alive.

Jack Jr: electrocuted and then drowned in a puddle at age 7
David: died in Japan under suspicious circumstances (either burst intestines or drug OD)
Mike: intentional drug OD
Chris: gunshot wound to the head
Kerry: gunshot wound to chest

[DarkHippie]

Kevin's the only brother still alive.

Jack Jr: electrocuted and then drowned in a puddle at age 7
David: died in Japan under suspicious circumstances (either burst intestines or drug OD)
Mike: intentional drug OD
Chris: gunshot wound to the head
Kerry: gunshot wound to chest

Wow, that is some bad shit

[TripleSkeet]

Kevin's the only brother still alive.

Jack Jr: electrocuted and then drowned in a puddle at age 7
David: died in Japan under suspicious circumstances (either burst intestines or drug OD)
Mike: intentional drug OD
Chris: gunshot wound to the head
Kerry: gunshot wound to chest

David died of diverticulitis. The same disease that almost killed Lesnar.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Let's not forget the best of the Von Eric clan: lacy!

[Heather 8]

That's A theory of David's death. It's always going to be clouded in controversary thanks to Bruiser Brody flushing David's drugs down the toilet before calling for help.

[DarkHippie]

That's A theory of David's death. It's always going to be clouded in controversary thanks to Bruiser Brody flushing David's drugs down the toilet before calling for help.

He thought he was doing the right hting at the time, I'm sure

[Kevin]

Let's not forget the best of the Von Eric clan: lacy!



Yummy Lacey!

[TripleSkeet]

That's A theory of David's death. It's always going to be clouded in controversary thanks to Bruiser Brody flushing David's drugs down the toilet before calling for help.

I thought the diverticulitis was deemed the actual cause of death though. Not saying the drugs had nothing to do with it or maybe caused help to be delayed, I just thought that was the cause. I mean, from what weve seen it seems hard to figure out what the problem is with that disease.

[styckx]

Zach Ryder took his desperate pleas for attention to a whole new level of fucking annoying asshole.

His new trunks.. How did Vince not instantly fire him for this? Unless that's coming soon after some good old fashion humiliation on TV.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEsooPQCcAADZ6C.jpg

[cougarjake13]

Zach Ryder took his desperate pleas for attention to a whole new level of fucking annoying asshole.

His new trunks.. How did Vince not instantly fire him for this? Unless that's coming soon after some good old fashion humiliation on TV.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEsooPQCcAADZ6C.jpg


I just don't see talent being able to do whatever they want without Vince's approval
at least not any one below main eventers so I'm gonna have to assume Vince is on
board

[Kevin]

I'd like to push this hack right off a bridge

[DarkHippie]

I just don't see talent being able to do whatever they want without Vince's approval
at least not any one below main eventers so I'm gonna have to assume Vince is on
board

I love it! It adds a new dimension to wrestling that only smarks can appreciate

[styckx]

I'd like to push this hack right off a bridge

I was rooting for him when he was the little underdog Youtube star trying to get a spot RAW.. He was legitimate trying then..

Then he got on RAW, given a bit of a ball and... Boooooooooring.. His promos sucked, his acting sucked and he expected "Woo Woo Woo" alone to carry him to Cena like stardom.

[Kevin]

I was rooting for him when he was the little underdog Youtube star trying to get a spot RAW.. He was legitimate trying then..

Then he got on RAW, given a bit of a ball and... Boooooooooring.. His promos sucked, his acting sucked and he expected "Woo Woo Woo" alone to carry him to Cena like stardom.

That segment when him CM Punk were on raw in the segment after they had just won titles on the last ppv.

Punk had something to say then he gave the mic to Ryder and he said something like I called my dad after winning the us title and he said woo woo woo you know it.

I gave out a loud iiick. That's the lazy shit you come up with in the ring with two of the best of mic guys in the biz?

[newport king]

Im not a fan, but as into "social media" the WWE seems to be into youd think hed get some tv time.

[newport king]

Btw watched SD! last night (refuse to post in that thread) Cody Rhodes is gonna have a thing for Kaitlyn. If it means doing something with him rather than throw him and Sandow together as a pseudo gay tagteam because they dont have anything for those 2 guys im for it.

[NickyL0885]

That segment when him CM Punk were on raw in the segment after they had just won titles on the last ppv.

Punk had something to say then he gave the mic to Ryder and he said something like I called my dad after winning the us title and he said woo woo woo you know it.

I gave out a loud iiick. That's the lazy shit you come up with in the ring with two of the best of mic guys in the biz?

To be fair, they gave him shitty story telling. Having him be destroyed by Kane and being involved in the Eve/Cena love triangle. I think WWE said "hey, here ya go, here is a taste of the big time". Then, they took it all away just as fast, to sorta say "we can push you, then unpush you just like that! Now, shut up"

[cougarjake13]

To be fair, they gave him shitty story telling. Having him be destroyed by Kane and being involved in the Eve/Cena love triangle. I think WWE said "hey, here ya go, here is a taste of the big time". Then, they took it all away just as fast, to sorta say "we can push you, then unpush you just like that! Now, shut up"



and that whole love triangle thing only lasted like five minutes

[DarkHippie]

and that whole love triangle thing only lasted like five minutes

they had to drop it because it got pretty cringeworthy pretty fast.

[NickyL0885]

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[cougarjake13]

it just feels like there's a rib going on and where not in on it


I mean that little clip has better production then some tv shows

[MIKEYDAKEN]

have you ever seen someone struggle so much while being powerbombed?

[MIKEYDAKEN]

who did johnny curtis piss of to get this awful gimmick? he was never great but the guy is good at what he does.

[foodcourtdruide]

have you ever seen someone struggle so much while being powerbombed?

You talking about the big show? His head snapped back REALLY bad and hit the ring. I don't know how someone doesn't get a concussion after that. WWE has too many Goldberg style guys. The entire Shield, Mark Henry, Ryback, Big E Langston. Those guys are good in small doses, I feel like every match has some crazy power bomb.

[Kevin]

Wow..

Did Cena really blame his divorce on a fake match?

[NickyL0885]

Wow..

Did Cena really blame his divorce on a fake match?

Say what now? I just got home. Explain.

[NickyL0885]

Jack Thswagger's America.

[Kevin]

Say what now? I just got home. Explain.

He was saying how his world fell apart personally and professionally because he kept on thinking of his loss to the Rock, and they showed a newspaper clipping of it saying he got divorced...

[cougarjake13]

He was saying how his world fell apart personally and professionally because he kept on thinking of his loss to the Rock, and they showed a newspaper clipping of it saying he got divorced...



I guess the loss to rock directly made him stick his dick in non wife foreign pussy

[MIKEYDAKEN]

You talking about the big show? His head snapped back REALLY bad and hit the ring. I don't know how someone doesn't get a concussion after that. WWE has too many Goldberg style guys. The entire Shield, Mark Henry, Ryback, Big E Langston. Those guys are good in small doses, I feel like every match has some crazy power bomb.

when the shield lifted him up his face was beet red and he was spitting like he was having a stroke.

[DarkHippie]

when the shield lifted him up his face was beet red and he was spitting like he was having a stroke.

they are noobs and he doesnt trust them... even though Rollins and Ambrose have a lot of indie xp, Reigns does not and he's the one doing the heavy lifting

[DarkHippie]

You talking about the big show? His head snapped back REALLY bad and hit the ring. I don't know how someone doesn't get a concussion after that. WWE has too many Goldberg style guys. The entire Shield, Mark Henry, Ryback, Big E Langston. Those guys are good in small doses, I feel like every match has some crazy power bomb.

Vince believes that wrestlers should be larger than life. He's not as dedicated to this as he used to be, but he will always give hosses a shot

[TripleSkeet]

Last nights show was pretty entertaining. They really gave a nice tribute to Paul Bearer. Its funny when you look back at just how corny that gimmick was yet they both got it over huge.

If Big Show doesnt have a concussion Id be shocked.

[newport king]

I dont know who i hate more, Ryback and his entire shitty Goldberg ripoff complete with face ticks and all, or the fans who cheer him.

I hope he gets a tribal tat.

[cougarjake13]

they are noobs and he doesnt trust them... even though Rollins and Ambrose have a lot of indie xp, Reigns does not and he's the one doing the heavy lifting


I was wondering if that's why they were doing that

[RingWraith]

I dont know who i hate more, Ryback and his entire shitty Goldberg ripoff complete with face ticks and all, or the fans who cheer him.

I hope he gets a tribal tat.

For me, it's the idiot fans that actually cheer him. But I wouldn't be surprised if those "feed me more" chants are piped into the arena.

[TripleSkeet]

For me, it's the idiot fans that actually cheer him. But I wouldn't be surprised if those "feed me more" chants are piped into the arena.

Watched WWE Classics last night and saw the debut of Gillberg. I wouldnt be surprised at all as his entrance music was people chanting GILL-BERG and if the announcers hadnt pointed out that nobodies mouth was moving it was kind of hard to tell that they pipe them in.

By the way, it was a pretty fucking funny debut all around. Very entertaining.

[Kevin]

I watched Jericho's debut again...

His speech would be perfect for todays WWE. it hit it right on the head..

By the way THAT was the Rock.. Not the poor imitation that stands before us today..

[newport king]

I watched Jericho's debut again...

His speech would be perfect for todays WWE. it hit it right on the head..

By the way THAT was the Rock.. Not the poor imitation that stands before us today..

I always had a problem with how they debuted Y2J. Months of build up, video packages, cool theme music, he finally appears eveeyone goes nuts and day fucking 1 within 3minutes of coming out they have the #1 guy at the time who is 2nd to none on the mic when hes on his game (which rock was at that point) cut him down and make him look silly.

[styckx]

I always had a problem with how they debuted Y2J. Months of build up, video packages, cool theme music, he finally appears eveeyone goes nuts and day fucking 1 within 3minutes of coming out they have the #1 guy at the time who is 2nd to none on the mic when hes on his game (which rock was at that point) cut him down and make him look silly.

I don't know. I thought it was perfect.. Jericho was still very much playing up the `cowardly lion' antagonist when he left WCW so it was only natural to have him show up the same way.

[newport king]

I don't know. I thought it was perfect.. Jericho was still very much playing up the `cowardly lion' antagonist when he left WCW so it was only natural to have him show up the same way.


Maybe i just didnt get it...but the way vince treated the WCW guys that came over didnt have a great track record. Same with ECW

[NickyL0885]

Of course! You got guys busting ass to get on tv, and into the PPV. This part timer gets everything handed to him.

According to PWInsider.com (via WrestlingInc.com):

Many people backstage at RAW were talking about WWE Champion The Rock not being there. Several of The Rock's co-workers are upset at the fact that he's not going to be in attendance for 2 of the last big 4 shows going into WrestleMania 29. There was already some resentment over him being in the WrestleMania main event again but him not being there each week isn't helping things.

[Kevin]

Of course! You got guys busting ass to get on tv, and into the PPV. This part timer gets everything handed to him.

HE DID IT FOR THE PEOPLE!!!!

[TripleSkeet]

Of course! You got guys busting ass to get on tv, and into the PPV. This part timer gets everything handed to him.

In all honesty, they seem to be alternating his appearances with Lesnars and Takers. I think thats why this weeks show was so good. It focused on the Taker / Punk feud. Lesnar / HHH was kind of put on the back burner and they didnt focus on The Rock or Cena for a show. This is another reason why I wish Cena would just take a 6 month break. It would be nice to not have the whole fucking show focus on his boring ass.

[cougarjake13]

In all honesty, they seem to be alternating his appearances with Lesnars and Takers. I think thats why this weeks show was so good. It focused on the Taker / Punk feud. Lesnar / HHH was kind of put on the back burner and they didnt focus on The Rock or Cena for a show. This is another reason why I wish Cena would just take a 6 month break. It would be nice to not have the whole fucking show focus on his boring ass.



remember whn they were gonna try that with the nexus angle ?

I think it lasted like a week before he came back cause Vince freaked out

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Virgil falling on hard times

http://www.sescoops.com/former-wwe-star-virgil-selling-his-memorabilia-in-nyc-subway-stations/

[brettmojo]

Virgil falling on hard times

http://www.sescoops.com/former-wwe-star-virgil-selling-his-memorabilia-in-nyc-subway-stations/

breaking news from the ibang...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

"You can't wrestle" chants addressed the false debut of Fahhhhn Dahhhn Go !!!!

[Kevin]

HA on the movie joke by Jericho

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I liked FanDjango

[MIKEYDAKEN]

god I hate orton and his inability to throw a clothesline.

[NickyL0885]

Wow. Ziggler goes from potential title holder to potential tag team title holder. They really jerk him around.

[Kevin]

I miss the start of Raw..

Did the "Peoples" champ bother to show up tonight?

[NickyL0885]

I miss the start of Raw..

Did the "Peoples" champ bother to show up tonight?

Nope!

[Kevin]

BBBuuut he loves the fans and is responsible for the ratings they are getting.

He does it without even showing up!

[NickyL0885]

He's out promoting a movie....oops...I mean, the WWE!

[Kevin]

So the main stipulation is that the man that has already retired but back for this one match..

HAS TO RETIRE IF HE LOSES?

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[MIKEYDAKEN]

So the main stipulation is that the man that has already retired but back for this one match..

HAS TO RETIRE IF HE LOSES?

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:
this is the most predictable mania ever. undertaker,brock and cena all walk out winners

[cougarjake13]

Wow. Ziggler goes from potential title holder to potential tag team title holder. They really jerk him around.


I am see this being part of the mega push he's gonna get

first tag titles then he cashes in and wins world title

holding both belts

[newport king]

I think he'll cash in at MITB. Everytime hes on tv Cole brings up the fact that he has till Julys MITB to cash in. So what i think they'll do is have him cash in, win, and im sure Ryback or someone fuckin stupid that wins MITB that night cashes in on him.

[TripleSkeet]

3 weeks til Wrestlemania and I cant keep track of the fucks I dont give.


Fucking shitty, predictable booking. Ive been saying this was gonna be HHHs last match since his last match against Lesnar. He never formally retired. Of course hes gonna go out at Wrestlemania. Oh, and heres the problem with booking these big names, and not letting them have a match or do anything until the PPV....if this were 10-12 years ago, when HHH had Heyman by his neck begging for help, you wouldve seen CM Punk come out of nowhere and save him. Then you would have a Punk / HHH match on Raw. They are falling into the same old habit of haviong the 2 guys feuding just fighting/arguing with each other week after week without mixing and matching characters in.

I liked that they threw the PTP's into the mix with Cena, but it was basically as jobbers used to get squashed instead of planting seeds for a feud down the line.

And for those bitching about The Rock not showing up, keep in mind last week Cena didnt show up either, and this week Punk showed up via satellite. Its not just him.

[Kevin]

3 weeks til Wrestlemania and I cant keep track of the fucks I dont give.


Fucking shitty, predictable booking. Ive been saying this was gonna be HHHs last match since his last match against Lesnar. He never formally retired. Of course hes gonna go out at Wrestlemania. Oh, and heres the problem with booking these big names, and not letting them have a match or do anything until the PPV....if this were 10-12 years ago, when HHH had Heyman by his neck begging for help, you wouldve seen CM Punk come out of nowhere and save him. Then you would have a Punk / HHH match on Raw. They are falling into the same old habit of haviong the 2 guys feuding just fighting/arguing with each other week after week without mixing and matching characters in.

I liked that they threw the PTP's into the mix with Cena, but it was basically as jobbers used to get squashed instead of planting seeds for a feud down the line.

And for those bitching about The Rock not showing up, keep in mind last week Cena didnt show up either, and this week Punk showed up via satellite. Its not just him.


Those two did not show up once..

AND WHY SHOULD THEY.

Their big money counterparts don't have.

Why should cena show up? To talk to himself?

When Rock and Taker, Lesnar DO show. It's for the last 10min the of the show

[Dirtbag]

I read a rumor that last week Cena was deliberately kept off TV to draw attention away from Rock not being there. I'm inclined to agree with it. Not like Cena has anything else keeping him away.

[newport king]

Read on pwinsider what Dirtbag just wrote. They kept Cena off tv last week. He was backstage. They just ran the video package.

As far as the top tier guys working, you cant risk an injury this close to Mania to a top level guy. I dont hate the Rock, im sure he has prior commitments. I just hate how Vince is essentially using him to try and get his top guy over whos been the top guy for 10 fuckin years. Boy i cant wait for the Wrestlemania moment where Rock shakes Cenas hand and goes on Raw the next night about how he respects him....blllleeecccchhhhh

[MIKEYDAKEN]

3 weeks til Wrestlemania and I cant keep track of the fucks I dont give.


Fucking shitty, predictable booking. Ive been saying this was gonna be HHHs last match since his last match against Lesnar. He never formally retired. Of course hes gonna go out at Wrestlemania. Oh, and heres the problem with booking these big names, and not letting them have a match or do anything until the PPV....if this were 10-12 years ago, when HHH had Heyman by his neck begging for help, you wouldve seen CM Punk come out of nowhere and save him. Then you would have a Punk / HHH match on Raw. They are falling into the same old habit of haviong the 2 guys feuding just fighting/arguing with each other week after week without mixing and matching characters in.

I liked that they threw the PTP's into the mix with Cena, but it was basically as jobbers used to get squashed instead of planting seeds for a feud down the line.

And for those bitching about The Rock not showing up, keep in mind last week Cena didnt show up either, and this week Punk showed up via satellite. Its not just him.
cena and punk aren't the champs right now. wrestlemania season and the champ of the show is off half of the lead ins? bullshit this wouldn't have happened 5 years ago remember when cena was filming the marine and still made every monday except for one I think, I just want dwayne to go away already so we can move on to the guys that aren't just doing it for a G.I.joe plug. Also punk was backstage they are keeping him from a match because of the light injury from the kane match a few weeks ago

[TripleSkeet]

It doesnt matter. Even if hes there the angle blows. None of the real wrestling fans want to see this match again. Especially since we know how its gonna end. The build for this event sucks. I dont give a fuck about any of the matches. The only one Im even curious about is Punk / Taker because it hasnt been done and I know they both can deliver.

The Rock coming back got me to watch from January to now instead of just skipping Raw til Mania. Regardless of what hes there to promote, once he leaves hundreds of thousands of viewers will be going away with him. You can keep turning a blind eye to this all you want, but youll see soon enough. I cant wait to hear the excuses for the ratings drop after Mania. You guys have about a month and a half to come up with something since you cant blame MNF now.

[TripleSkeet]

Plus, I dont understand where this idea The Rock needs the WWE more than they need him comes from. He used his popularity from there to start his movie career, but that was it. He left wrestling, and still got roles in A-List movies. He dropped "The Rock" from his name, and still scored A-List movies. The guys making like 5 movies a year at this pace. He doesnt need the WWE. He makes more from one movie than hed make working fulltime for Vince for 3 years. Youre gonna compare that to the fucking Marine????? A movie that was scheduled around Cenas wrestling schedule because it was made by Vinces production company instead of a real movie studio?? Come on now. Get real.

[NickyL0885]

My issue with Rock isn't so much that he came back part time, it's that he is a title holder. He should have said "No, let a full timer hold it". No one forced the title on him. He's supposedly is scheduled for Extreme Rules PPV if I remember correctly. Who he'd face? Idk. And rumor is he is headlining next years WM vs Brock.

But, as far as WM goes, I agree that this year it's too predictable. I know sometimes, some matches can be that way, but a whole card shouldn't be like that, especially with the top matches.

[Kevin]

Plus, I dont understand where this idea The Rock needs the WWE more than they need him comes from. He used his popularity from there to start his movie career, but that was it. He left wrestling, and still got roles in A-List movies. He dropped "The Rock" from his name, and still scored A-List movies. The guys making like 5 movies a year at this pace. He doesnt need the WWE. He makes more from one movie than hed make working fulltime for Vince for 3 years. Youre gonna compare that to the fucking Marine????? A movie that was scheduled around Cenas wrestling schedule because it was made by Vinces production company instead of a real movie studio?? Come on now. Get real.

He needs them for plugs.

If you don't think that the Rock is the rock because of the WWE and his charecter than you are lost.

If the Rock did not have the WWE Fans, his movies would not do half of what they do, not that they are that great to being with...

And A-list movies?

He is a B movie actor at best.

Straight to DVD without the WWE

[TripleSkeet]

He needs them for plugs.

If you don't think that the Rock is the rock because of the WWE and his charecter than you are lost.

If the Rock did not have the WWE Fans, his movies would not do half of what they do, not that they are that great to being with...

And A-list movies?

He is a B movie actor at best.

Straight to DVD without the WWE

Crazy Talk. With WWE he was in Mummy Returns, The Scorpion King, The Rundown, and Walking Tall. While no Oscar nominees there they were for the most part big money movies with A-List actors.

After he completely left WWE he did 11 other movies including Be Cool, Gridiron Gang and the Disney movies while geared to kids, cant be compared to shit like Suburban Commando, Santa with Muscles or The Chaperone. Not to mention he had tons of offers already before coming back to Vince.

Now hes in GI Joe, 3 other movies already done, and hes supposedly going to play Sinbad, Hercules, and the next Expendables movie. To sit here and act like Cena, Orton, Big Show and the other "Superstars" Vince puts in his movies are doing the same movie wise as the guy is laughable. Straight to DVD? Ridiculous.

[Kevin]

Crazy Talk. With WWE he was in Mummy Returns, The Scorpion King, The Rundown, and Walking Tall. While no Oscar nominees there they were for the most part big money movies with A-List actors.

After he completely left WWE he did 11 other movies including Be Cool, Gridiron Gang and the Disney movies while geared to kids, cant be compared to shit like Suburban Commando, Santa with Muscles or The Chaperone. Not to mention he had tons of offers already before coming back to Vince.

Now hes in GI Joe, 3 other movies already done, and hes supposedly going to play Sinbad, Hercules, and the next Expendables movie. To sit here and act like Cena, Orton, Big Show and the other "Superstars" Vince puts in his movies are doing the same movie wise as the guy is laughable. Straight to DVD? Ridiculous.

All those movies are B movies minus the GI Joe and the car movie...

Once again, without the WWE, he would not be getting any of those movies..

HE takes out the rock out of his name, and what do they have to do?

GO BACK TO THE WWE FOR PLUGS!

[TripleSkeet]

All those movies are B movies minus the GI Joe and the car movie...

Once again, without the WWE, he would not be getting any of those movies..

HE takes out the rock out of his name, and what do they have to do?

GO BACK TO THE WWE FOR PLUGS!

Im not sure you understand what a B movie actually is.

In the 12 movies he had the leading role:

Domestic Gross: $768,121,030
Worldwide: $1,482,564,927

B movies my balls.

[Kevin]

Im not sure you understand what a B movie actually is.

In the 12 movies he had the leading role:

Domestic Gross: $768,121,030
Worldwide: $1,482,564,927

B movies my balls.

12 movies thats not very good and besides...

especially when you factor in what it costs to make action movies

He is not the main star in many of those.

He needs the WWE more than they need him, plain and simple..

[cougarjake13]

I think he'll cash in at MITB. Everytime hes on tv Cole brings up the fact that he has till Julys MITB to cash in. So what i think they'll do is have him cash in, win, and im sure Ryback or someone fuckin stupid that wins MITB that night cashes in on him.



that's so fucking gay I can see them doing it

[TripleSkeet]

that's so fucking gay I can see them doing it

Agree completely.

[TripleSkeet]

12 movies thats not very good and besides...

especially when you factor in what it costs to make action movies

He is not the main star in many of those.

He needs the WWE more than they need him, plain and simple..

Hes worth $70 million dollars. Hes the richest wrestler in history. But yea, he needs the WWE. otherwise he may have to go back to playing for the CFL.

[Kevin]

Hes worth $70 million dollars. Hes the richest wrestler in history. But yea, he needs the WWE. otherwise he may have to go back to playing for the CFL.

So what?

That still does not stop you from wanting to keep making money and movies..

That means jack shit.

WWE would be fine without the rock.

I mean we all still fucking watch knowing its GARBAGE,

The Rock needs the WWE to keep doing what he wants.

At the level he wants.

[DarkHippie]

Hes worth $70 million dollars. Hes the richest wrestler in history. But yea, he needs the WWE. otherwise he may have to go back to playing for the CFL.

There's no better publicity tour than what he's got going with the wwe

[Kevin]

Plain and simple.

You are fooling yourself if you think that the Rock does not need the WWE.

They are a marketing publicity powerhouse.

He would not even have 75% of his roles with out them.

[TripleSkeet]

Plain and simple.

You are fooling yourself if you think that the Rock does not need the WWE.

They are a marketing publicity powerhouse.

He would not even have 75% of his roles with out them.

He wouldnt have 100% of his roles without them! But that was before. You cant act like without wrestling he couldnt succeed in movies because for 7 years he didnt appear on one WWE program. Not one. Yet his movies still made a shitload of money. And he still had plenty of work. This isnt Hulk Hogan where he decided to leave to make movies, people shit all over them, and he had to come back to wrestling because his career was floundering. Not even close.

In the meantime he comes back and Raws ratings go up by a million viewers literally overnight. Not to mention he helped them launch their social media propaganda as much as I hate it.

This whole "Were gonna watch it even though its garbage" is bullshit. I stopped watching it. From Survivor Series til The Rock came back I didnt watch Raw at all. I even took it off my DVR. And Im not the only one. Pre January they were doing numbers in the mid 2's. When that number gets below 2 Id bet money youre gonna see some major changes coming to WWE.

[newport king]

Thunderlips shouldve had his own movie.

Fandango has turned me around. Hope him and Jericho are the match at Mania.

I heard Rock saying this comeback was a 3yr plan. I donr know if it was originally designed to help get Cena over, but their big match has ZERO heat. So i'll say the Rock is many things, a talented booker isnt one of them.

[brettmojo]

Saying the Rock needs the WWE more than they need him is such a laughable statement it really doesn't even warrant a response. But just for shits and giggles lets say you're right... Then please explain to me why the ratings go up when he's on the show? If it's just the WWE fans fueling his success then shouldn't the ratings remain the same? By your logic, yes... But that's not reality. Because among other fans he's perhaps garnered through his movies he's bringing back the fans that have tuned out since the WWE has turned into garbage. The Rock, Dwaayynnneee, has his own fandom separate from the WWE. It doesn' matter what you call him. I'm not pleased with this whole thing, not showing up for RAW as the fucking champion leading into Wrestlemania and how this whole "once in a lifetime part II" shit is going down but to say the WWE makes his career is ludicrous. It launched his career, it doesn't sustain it. Dwayne is doing the WWE a HUUUUGGGEEEE favor by doing this, and by laying down for Cena. If they think this'll give Cena the push he needs to win over the non-vagina having/non-toddler segment of their fan base and former fan base they're kidding themselves. After Wrestlemania I'll go back to not paying attention and so will those million + that have been tuning in to see The Rock. Just the fact he's not showing up for RAW goes to show you exactly who is doing who a favor. It sure isn't WWE.

[cougarjake13]

Thunderlips shouldve had his own movie.

Fandango has turned me around. Hope him and Jericho are the match at Mania.

I heard Rock saying this comeback was a 3yr plan. I donr know if it was originally designed to help get Cena over, but their big match has ZERO heat. So i'll say the Rock is many things, a talented booker isnt one of them.




in today's environment thunder lips would have def spun off and got his own movie

[walking joint]

What ever happened to the 30 day title defense rule.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Jack Tunney isn't around to enforce that

[cougarjake13]

What ever happened to the 30 day title defense rule.



I hate that elimination chamber is in feb
no ppv in march
then 2 in April


so retarded


and the rules only apply when they want them to

[TjM]

Intersting note about PPV's

http://rajah.com/node/32797

Where WWE's Future Growth Will Come From:

"Well, over the last few years our core business has been performing well. We generate $75 million to $95 million of EBITDA. Those EBITDA margins have been 16% to 19% so the core business performed well. We have invested a lot in the last couple of years to take advantage some of that growth that we see. And the big strategic thesis for us is the value of content. There is more and more distribution alternatives available. Netflix is one everyone talks about. YouTube not being part of just social video but now real original content. So there's more and more distribution alternatives and it's on a global basis. As a content creator and owner, which makes us unique, we own 100% of the rights of our content. We license them out, we'll license windows but we own it all. And that's a unique position to be in. We think the rising distribution opportunity is driving up the valley of content. In fact, you look at what HBO does to produce Game of Thrones, right? You're talking $10 million to $20 million an episode for 13 hours, right. So now you're in the $150 million to $200 million. That's incredible value. Raw and SmackDown are two franchised programs, average more viewers than any cable network average of prime time. So USA is a number one cable network in the US. It averages about 3 million viewers a week in prime time. Raw and SmackDown, our two top programs, averages more than that. We create a lot of value with the content. That's going to be a big driver for growth."

How WWE Will Monetize The Network & The Break-Even Point:

"Sure. So on the first part, continuing on with our core products, we're going to keep them fully distributed. We think that's a great platform for a network. And we think there's a lot of value as those shows come up for renewal. Our four biggest contracts will be renewed over the next three years. We think that's a great opportunity for us because of the value we deliver. Then to the network, we said we're going to take our pay-per-views. We're one of the preeminent pay-per-view providers today and our pay-per-views are priced anywhere between $49.95 and $59.95 today and we're going to make that the core of a value proposition with a lot of other new content and put it on a premium network so that our fans can subscribe. We said the price will be somewhere between $12.99 or $14.99, to be determined as we go to market but we think that's a real great opportunity. And to your question about breakeven, about a million subscribers because the pay-per-view buyers will migrate over to the network. That's our belief. About a million subscribers, we breakeven at 2 million, it's a really good business; at 3 million to 4 million, for us it's transformative."

Will WWE's Pay-Per-View Business Eventually Go Away?

"We believe over time. We believe the value proposition will be much more powerful to subscribe to a network at $12.99 to $14.99, 24/7, you have the pay-per-views, a lot of great content, our library, a lot of retrospective programming that we're doing that's testing really, really well, we're producing it right now so over time, I think the pay-per-view does go away."

[Dirtbag]

I really think its a great idea. I'll gladly pay 15 bucks a month for WWE Network. I've watched nearly every PPV for probably the last three years but haven't paid for one since One Night Stand 2006.

[newport king]

+1. I think this network is dead in the water though. It was originally supposed to launch over a year ago. Now when they first announced it they said the big 4 ppvs would still be ppv. Wonder if thats still the case

[conman823]

The Rock doesn't need WWE. He is NOT in any way, shape, or form a BIG movie star. B level is about right. Movie gross doesn't mean much considering most movies rake in billions of dollars just by being in a theater.

That being said, WWE doesn't need the Rock either. They just forgot how to make stars and bring in viewers. Even with the Rock and Jericho willing to lay down for some new guys, WWE is dropping the ball. Rock passes the torch to Cena who is starting the downward slide of his in ring days.

Wrestlemania is shaping up to be awful. I don't give a shit about ANY match. Fuck Taker, he should have been done at 20-0. Fuck their whole rushed booking and constant "Crazy Vince" changes all the time.

I love when his ass kissers come out and say how he's a genius with 2 years of booking already done. What 2 years? 91 & 92? Please

[TripleSkeet]

The Rock doesn't need WWE. He is NOT in any way, shape, or form a BIG movie star. B level is about right. Movie gross doesn't mean much considering most movies rake in billions of dollars just by being in a theater.

That being said, WWE doesn't need the Rock either. They just forgot how to make stars and bring in viewers. Even with the Rock and Jericho willing to lay down for some new guys, WWE is dropping the ball. Rock passes the torch to Cena who is starting the downward slide of his in ring days.

Wrestlemania is shaping up to be awful. I don't give a shit about ANY match. Fuck Taker, he should have been done at 20-0. Fuck their whole rushed booking and constant "Crazy Vince" changes all the time.

I love when his ass kissers come out and say how he's a genius with 2 years of booking already done. What 2 years? 91 & 92? Please

Explain one thing to me then. How can a B list actor be the 4th highest paid actor for 2013?
http://www.musicnfilms.com/top-10-hollywood-highest-paid-actors-list

[TripleSkeet]

I really think its a great idea. I'll gladly pay 15 bucks a month for WWE Network. I've watched nearly every PPV for probably the last three years but haven't paid for one since One Night Stand 2006.

I agree. I pay $8.99 now for the WWE Classic channel. As long as they keep showing the old Raws and such Ill sign up.

[conman823]

Because of quantity not quality.

[brettmojo]

The Rock is B+... If his acting run had been in the 80's when it was all about action movies he'd be as big as Arnold. Now comic movies rule so the big action star isn't what it used to be. He's still the go-to guy right now when Hollywood needs an action star. One because he looks the part and two because he doesn't cost as much as a Willis or the like. There's just not a lot of action guys in the A listers anymore.

[TjM]

GOOD FUCKING MOVE HHH (No sarcasm either)

Triple H is making more big changes to WWE's developmental system that could have a profound impact on WWE's next generation of Superstars. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that Triple H has pushed for the elimination of lengthy scripts for promos - and for the wrestlers to given general bullet points instead.

Some of the best talkers in wrestling history have gone on record stating that many of today's Superstars never properly learn the art of cutting promos because they are so heavily scripted by WWE's writing team. Working off bullet points will allow the wrestlers to show more of their personalities and require them to improvise a lot more. The idea is that the change will lead to characters being more authentic and not all sounding the same.

This is a much more "old school" approach - something Triple H is known for, compared to his father-in-law Vince.

[newport king]

I give it a week till vince overrules it

[cougarjake13]

Vince will have to be dead for any of trips ideas to stick around long term

[brettmojo]

It's frustrating because that's what Vince let the Attitude Era guys do and look how that worked out...

[Dirtbag]

I give it a week till vince overrules it

I wonder how many years Vince's coke and steroid riddled body has left in it.

[TripleSkeet]

GOOD FUCKING MOVE HHH (No sarcasm either)

HUGE move. Thank God somebody sees it. This has been one of the biggest problems in the WWE for awhile now. Good to see HHH making impact decisions.

[Kevin]

HUGE move. Thank God somebody sees it. This has been one of the biggest problems in the WWE for awhile now. Good to see HHH making impact decisions.

HHH to Skeet.

YOU'RE WELCOME!

[TripleSkeet]

Chris Masters should be back on Raw soon....

http://www.aol.com/video/wwe-star-rips-tree-from-ground-to-save-mom-from-fire/517718412/?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl13%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D287210

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Rock was on Leno last night promoting the new GI Joe film. No mention of WM 29. I guess because it's still 2 weeks away. In years past the top WWE wrestlers do the media circuit the week leading up to it

[cougarjake13]

The Rock was on Leno last night promoting the new GI Joe film. No mention of WM 29. I guess because it's still 2 weeks away. In years past the top WWE wrestlers do the media circuit the week leading up to it



still it's 2 weeks not 2 months away

I think that's more indictative of how much or how little he cares about wwe

[brettmojo]

still it's 2 weeks not 2 months away

I think that's more indictative of how much or how little he cares about wwe

Or how little the world cares.

[cougarjake13]

Or how little the world cares.



that too


mainstream people don't give a fuck about wwe

[conman823]

Fuck the Rock. Don't care about him at all anymore. They're saying he might stick around to fued with Brock next, because someone like Wade Barrett or Antonio Ceasaro couldn't benefit more from a Rock fued.

I'm fading fast again. Might be time to walk away again like I did between WM20 and 27. Sad because I.really love Pro Wrestling and want to watch 90 hours of it a week but can't with this bland WWE product.

[newport king]

Fuck the Rock. Don't care about him at all anymore. They're saying he might stick around to fued with Brock next, because someone like Wade Barrett or Antonio Ceasaro couldn't benefit more from a Rock fued.

I'm fading fast again. Might be time to walk away again like I did between WM20 and 27. Sad because I.really love Pro Wrestling and want to watch 90 hours of it a week but can't with this bland WWE product.


I know hes IC champ right now (i come from a day where that was a big deal) but Barrett should be bigger on the show.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ryback might need another opponent at WM

Mark Henry injured himself last night at a house show while wrestling Kane

[TripleSkeet]

Kinda wish I wouldve gotten tickets to Raw tonight. 2 Weeks til Mania, alot of big names. But when tickets went on sale I was hurting for money and at this point Im spoiled. Just couldnt swing $750 for three 2nd-3rd row seats for me and the kids.

[NickyL0885]

Fandango is awful. Really, really awful.

[NickyL0885]

He basically is an updated version of Disco Inferno from WCW.

[cougarjake13]

so horrible


his character will go nowhere like funkasaurus

[newport king]

Kinda wish I wouldve gotten tickets to Raw tonight. 2 Weeks til Mania, alot of big names. But when tickets went on sale I was hurting for money and at this point Im spoiled. Just couldnt swing $750 for three 2nd-3rd row seats for me and the kids.


I decided against dropping 350 a ticket for Mania which get me 2nd Level. Soon as i realized theyre gonna be in a fuckin football stadium and 2nd level is not even remotely close to seeing anything. May still go to the Raw after

[Kevin]

Every time I hear the Shield's music, I think the APA is coming out for a few seconds.

[styckx]

You know WM is sucking a giant bag of dicks when Jericho is in a match against someone who at best will be wrestling for CZW by this time next year.

[Kevin]

The Rock finally shows up tonight...

Just in time to " not need" the WWE to plug the shit of its Thursday premier...

[newport king]

Raws been decent tonight

[styckx]

The Rock finally shows up tonight...

Just in time to " not need" the WWE to plug the shit of its Thursday premier...

I've never not given as much of a shit about a WM as much as I'm not giving a shit about this WM.. It's truly shaping up to be one of the most underwelming cards ever put together.

[NickyL0885]

Feed Me S'mores!

[Kevin]

I've never not given as much of a shit about a WM as much as I'm not giving a shit about this WM.. It's truly shaping up to be one of the most underwelming cards ever put together.

It really is terrible..

I might not even care enough to not pay for a free internet feed..

[cougarjake13]

It really is terrible..

I might not even care enough to not pay for a free internet feed..


everything seems so predictable it's not even worth it

the only worth it swerve would be taker losing but I don't see it happening

[styckx]

This is the fucking main event for RAW? THIS? THIS is the best they could come up with????

[styckx]

God dammit so much. Bret Hart?? I used to love that man but he's such a angry, bitter, broken, annoying asshole now he's completely ruined his legacy.

[NickyL0885]

God dammit so much. Bret Hart?? I used to love that man but he's such a angry, bitter, broken, annoying asshole now he's completely ruined his legacy.

Rock: "John Cena, I will kick your fruity pebble ass all over NY!"

Cena: "I never give up!"

Rinse, and repeat.

[Kevin]

The most fighting Champion in history is here!

[Kevin]

Rock: "John Cena, I will kick your fruity pebble ass all over NY!"

Cena: "I never give up!"

Rinse, and repeat.

And Swallow...

[styckx]

Rock: "John Cena, I will kick your fruity pebble ass all over NY!"

Cena: "I never give up!"

Rinse, and repeat.

Then he'll do a radio interview tomorrow and say something bitter and angry about how someone at the top of their game really isn't really that good.

[Kevin]

Just when I thought Cena shirts could not get any brighter...

[styckx]

The crowd can't find any fucks to give except shit on this.. THIS-IS-BAD

[Kevin]

Donavan Mcnabb could not throw a pass above a WRs feet...

[styckx]

This might easily be the WORST pandering attempt I've ever seen in my entire life.. This is fucking gross

[Kevin]

LOLz at the Rock having to go back 20 years to his last failure..

UNDERDOG!

[Kevin]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz

[cougarjake13]

right now is the perfect time for a boring chant

[styckx]

I bet Vince is throwing a shit fit back stage.. This is wrestlecrap Hall Of Fame terrible.. All of it.

[cougarjake13]

Donavan Mcnabb could not throw a pass above a WRs feet...



and only team he played for ?

redskins and Vikings would disagree

[cougarjake13]

prolly the closest thing we will ever see cena do a heel turn

[Kevin]

and only team he played for ?

redskins and Vikings would disagree

BAH

Details...

DETAILS

WWE don't need no stinkin DETAILS!

[cougarjake13]

BAH

Details...

DETAILS

WWE don't need no stinkin DETAILS!


well they are reknowned for their selective memory

[styckx]

20 minutes of the worst overrun ever aired on WWE TV... There is a line forming for WM refunds as we speak.

[TripleSkeet]

They really dont seem to know what to do anymore. They job out Ziggler...AGAIN. The HHH / Wade Barret confrontation made no sense. And the end was just weird.

At first I thought Cena was trying out a heel turn promo but ended with the whole "Philly fans deserve a winner..." speech that was just pure begging for cheers...which he did not get. Some on here laugh at The Rock bringing up failures from 20 years ago, how about a guy thats won 5 Wrestlemania main events for heavyweight championships claiming this is his chance to prove he can "win the big one"?

I have to say, the Philly fans themselves didnt let me down though. Even though WWE trying pushing it, there were NOT dueling chants tonight. Just CENA SUCKS chants and boos with zero response. That, the booing of Donovan McNabbs name, and the sign in the front row that said STEPH, RESIGN FROM CREATIVE did me proud tonight.

[Kevin]

They really dont seem to know what to do anymore. They job out Ziggler...AGAIN. The HHH / Wade Barret confrontation made no sense. And the end was just weird.

At first I thought Cena was trying out a heel turn promo but ended with the whole "Philly fans deserve a winner..." speech that was just pure begging for cheers...which he did not get. Some on here laugh at The Rock bringing up failures from 20 years ago, how about a guy thats won 5 Wrestlemania main events for heavyweight championships claiming this is his chance to prove he can "win the big one"?

I have to say, the Philly fans themselves didnt let me down though. Even though WWE trying pushing it, there were NOT dueling chants tonight. Just CENA SUCKS chants and boos with zero response. That, the booing of Donovan McNabbs name, and the sign in the front row that said STEPH, RESIGN FROM CREATIVE did me proud tonight.

The non competitor aspect has really started to take full effect.

This industry needs a competitor to the WWE fast.

The years of lack of incentive to really exercise creativity has started to show.

They have just lost the desire/ability to create anything. And that has alot to do with them not really having the need to.

Its getting to the point where even the most hardcore fans and even kids past the age of 7 are going to lose interest...

Wrestling is in trouble.

It was in 95, but they had WCW and in 96 the NWO came in forcing Vince to have to do something... That is not the case this time

[NickyL0885]

The non competitor aspect has really started to take full effect.

This industry needs a competitor to the WWE fast.

The years of lack of incentive to really exercise creativity has started to show.

They have just lost the desire/ability to create anything. And that has alot to do with them not really having the need to.

Its getting to the point where even the most hardcore fans and even kids past the age of 7 are going to lose interest...

Wrestling is in trouble.

It was in 95, but they had WCW and in 96 the NWO came in forcing Vince to have to do something... That is not the case this time

Well, rumor is they're looking to make more kid and mom friendly programming to lure those groups in. Face it, Vince needs to really just go. Not saying HHH will be perfect, but I have faith he would do better.

[NickyL0885]

I would even accept a middle ground. 8pm hour be more kid friendly, then from 9-11, ramp up the content for adults. Besides, what 8 year old should be up that late anyway!

[cougarjake13]

I would even accept a middle ground. 8pm hour be more kid friendly, then from 9-11, ramp up the content for adults. Besides, what 8 year old should be up that late anyway!


everything's online or replayed to death on other wwe shows so splitting it up like that wouldn't matter

[newport king]

So i dozed off in the 10pm hour and missed the end of the show. Read the RAW rundown...was it as douchey live as it was in print?

[TripleSkeet]

everything's online or replayed to death on other wwe shows so splitting it up like that wouldn't matter

They were doing that during the Attitude Era too. All they have to do is edit the replays, maybe bleep out the harsher language on them, and leave the live content alone and they could be fine.

They just refuse to accept the fact that marketing strictly to children is going to cost them viewers and fans. Their core audience is males 18-49. And thats the group that for the most part they ignore. Who do you think are the newer viewers sparking the ratings when guys like The Rock and Lesnar are brought back? Its all the males they drove away during the last few years.

[newport king]

I get alot of the complaining, but the attitude era is gone. Its not coming back. Its a shame but this is it. There was a spark when cm punk had his pipebomb but that was killed....

Speaking of i saw something with shane douglas on youtube and he was talking about it. Gave props whoever came up with the idea but killed their execution. I think he has a point. Imagine if they ran with it for 9 mos or so, Punk at every indy show, new japan, carrying the belt claiming to be the true champ. Defending it. Etc. Cena chasing him, then have it build up so much, fans posting sightings on youtube...it wouldve been awesome. He came back like 10 days later.

[TripleSkeet]

I get alot of the complaining, but the attitude era is gone. Its not coming back. Its a shame but this is it. There was a spark when cm punk had his pipebomb but that was killed....

Speaking of i saw something with shane douglas on youtube and he was talking about it. Gave props whoever came up with the idea but killed their execution. I think he has a point. Imagine if they ran with it for 9 mos or so, Punk at every indy show, new japan, carrying the belt claiming to be the true champ. Defending it. Etc. Cena chasing him, then have it build up so much, fans posting sightings on youtube...it wouldve been awesome. He came back like 10 days later.

Agreed. It wouldve been brilliant. WWE couldve covered it on their website, used Twitter and their other bullshit social media to show where he was popping up, etc. And it couldve helped out alot of Indy feds as well. Imagine going to sites like LOP and finding out CM Punk showed up at some random indy show at a fire hall or VFW and called out there champ. He wouldnt have to wrestle, as I can imagine WWE being worried about injury, but to have him come out, get in the face of whatever champ was there, and say hes backing his opponent. Stuff like that?

In the meantime WWE couldve made a new belt, had a tournament, have someone like Cena win it, and every few weeks after successfully defending the belt have an announcer bring up the fact Punk was seen at an Indy show in Texas or a Japan show claiming he was the only champ, showing how he was getting under Cenas skin or HHHs or Vinces. It really had potential to be another huge wave for wrestling. Talk about shitting the bed.

[cougarjake13]

especially with the E pushing all this social media shit this would have been the perfect use of it

[newport king]

The possibilities wouldve been endless. But instead we get this.

Id love to work for WWE creative but its gotta be the most frustrating job. You know Steph just shoots everything down and thinks most suggestions are dumb.

[conman823]

I'm torn between which recent WM is worse. WM 27, hosted by The Rock or this pathetic display, featuring the Rock as WWE Champion.

IMO the single worst WWE Championship reign of all time. Why is he not wrestling? Why is he not promoting the product like they claimed he would be?

I think its funny that Vince has fired and blamed everyone else but his little princess.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm torn between which recent WM is worse. WM 27, hosted by The Rock or this pathetic display, featuring the Rock as WWE Champion.

IMO the single worst WWE Championship reign of all time. Why is he not wrestling? Why is he not promoting the product like they claimed he would be?

I think its funny that Vince has fired and blamed everyone else but his little princess.

Looking back when he was on Leno last week, He should have mentioned a quick reference to WM. I didn't expect him to be on set with the strap but last night when he was giving his remarks about how he loves the WWE universe but not mentioning it on Leno. Come on.


Even if everyone in his audience never watched WWE in their lives. A large majority knows that the Rock used to Wrestle full time

[newport king]

So i watched that final segment....putrid.

It was a halfhour of cena just fucking bad acting and babbling.

[cougarjake13]

and that's why that cena punk for who faces the rock match will be light years better then anything cena rock do at mania

[TripleSkeet]

I'm torn between which recent WM is worse. WM 27, hosted by The Rock or this pathetic display, featuring the Rock as WWE Champion.

IMO the single worst WWE Championship reign of all time. Why is he not wrestling? Why is he not promoting the product like they claimed he would be?

I think its funny that Vince has fired and blamed everyone else but his little princess.

Come on now. Why isnt he wrestling? You act like Vince wants him having matches and hes shooting it down. Stop. Hes not wrestling because Vinnie boy doesnt want anyone watching him wrestle for free. At least this time hes letting them fight a little before Mania. Last year WWE wouldnt even let them throw a punch at each other before the match.

I get the whole argument that The Rock doesnt deserve to be champ because hes part time and all that. I dont agree with it but I get it. But dont blame him for the way Vinces creative department uses him. Thats like blaming Cena for not turning heel even though he gets booed mercilessly every week.. Its not up to him. Blame the people that actually make those decisions.

[cougarjake13]

well also I'm sure Vince doesn't want to be on the hook for injuring the rock and he can't do movies

[conman823]

Come on now. Why isnt he wrestling? You act like Vince wants him having matches and hes shooting it down. Stop. Hes not wrestling because Vinnie boy doesnt want anyone watching him wrestle for free. At least this time hes letting them fight a little before Mania. Last year WWE wouldnt even let them throw a punch at each other before the match.

I get the whole argument that The Rock doesnt deserve to be champ because hes part time and all that. I dont agree with it but I get it. But dont blame him for the way Vinces creative department uses him. Thats like blaming Cena for not turning heel even though he gets booed mercilessly every week.. Its not up to him. Blame the people that actually make those decisions.

Actually I think he's just do Hollywood to wrestle on RAW. Since when does Vince care about someone's outside ventures? Especially when it doesn't line his pockets? Please, The Rock cut his deal to only work Big PPVs and that's it. I'm sure he's also beholden to these movie companies to not get hurt or he'd lose the deal.

Please open your eyes. He did not come back because he loves to wrestle, he came back for $$ and to plug his movies. Vince gets a big star out of it for a few dates because he doesn't know how to make new ones anymore.

Guy like Jericho comes in, wrestles everywhere and puts over how many people but doesn't worry about getting a crushed throat which would effect his ability to sing for his band.

[TripleSkeet]

Actually I think he's just do Hollywood to wrestle on RAW. Since when does Vince care about someone's outside ventures? Especially when it doesn't line his pockets? Please, The Rock cut his deal to only work Big PPVs and that's it. I'm sure he's also beholden to these movie companies to not get hurt or he'd lose the deal.

Please open your eyes. He did not come back because he loves to wrestle, he came back for $$ and to plug his movies. Vince gets a big star out of it for a few dates because he doesn't know how to make new ones anymore.

Guy like Jericho comes in, wrestles everywhere and puts over how many people but doesn't worry about getting a crushed throat which would effect his ability to sing for his band.

Your view is just retarded. Youre sitting here saying the wrestler whose made more money than any other wrestler in history, came back after 7 years because he wanted more money. Why not come back before that then?

The Rock cut the same kind of deal Lesnar did. A number of appearances. The way they use him for those appearances are up to them. Im sure theres some kind of injury clause and they wouldve had to discuss things like steel cages, ladders or other things that could cause harm, but he has the same risk getting hurt doing a match at Royal Rumble or other PPVs as he does at Mania or on Raw.

With all the shit that leaks out dont you think if The Rock refused to wrestle anywhere but a PPV and Vince wanted him wrestling at Raw but he wouldnt do it, we wouldve heard that by now???? Bottom line, Vince knows millions of people want to see The Rock wrestle, and if he only has him for a limited time, hes gonna make sure they pay $50 every time they do. No free matches. Same goes for Lesnar. How many matches has he had on Raw since he came back???

[Kevin]

Your view is just retarded. Youre sitting here saying the wrestler whose made more money than any other wrestler in history, came back after 7 years because he wanted more money. Why not come back before that then?

The Rock cut the same kind of deal Lesnar did. A number of appearances. The way they use him for those appearances are up to them. Im sure theres some kind of injury clause and they wouldve had to discuss things like steel cages, ladders or other things that could cause harm, but he has the same risk getting hurt doing a match at Royal Rumble or other PPVs as he does at Mania or on Raw.

With all the shit that leaks out dont you think if The Rock refused to wrestle anywhere but a PPV and Vince wanted him wrestling at Raw but he wouldnt do it, we wouldve heard that by now???? Bottom line, Vince knows millions of people want to see The Rock wrestle, and if he only has him for a limited time, hes gonna make sure they pay $50 every time they do. No free matches. Same goes for Lesnar. How many matches has he had on Raw since he came back???

People with money want MORE money..

Plain and simple...

[conman823]

People with money want MORE money..

Plain and simple...

Exactly

[conman823]

Your view is just retarded. Youre sitting here saying the wrestler whose made more money than any other wrestler in history, came back after 7 years because he wanted more money. Why not come back before that then?

The Rock cut the same kind of deal Lesnar did. A number of appearances. The way they use him for those appearances are up to them. Im sure theres some kind of injury clause and they wouldve had to discuss things like steel cages, ladders or other things that could cause harm, but he has the same risk getting hurt doing a match at Royal Rumble or other PPVs as he does at Mania or on Raw.

With all the shit that leaks out dont you think if The Rock refused to wrestle anywhere but a PPV and Vince wanted him wrestling at Raw but he wouldnt do it, we wouldve heard that by now???? Bottom line, Vince knows millions of people want to see The Rock wrestle, and if he only has him for a limited time, hes gonna make sure they pay $50 every time they do. No free matches. Same goes for Lesnar. How many matches has he had on Raw since he came back???

You're a Rock apologist and want to cling on to a by gone era that ISN'T coming back.

My views are hardly retarded, they're spot on to what the MAJORITY of people feel. The Rocks impact on the ratings has flatlined simply because he isn't doing anything "new" or "electrifying".

We will see when the buy rates for this PPV come in. Offering the same main event with NO build-up this time with a predictable ending that I saw coming 3 seconds after the 3 count on Cena last WM. At least I thought they would honor the "Once in a lifetime" gimmick and have the rematch at Summerslam.

Lesner is Lesner. I respect the fact that he openly admits he's there for the money and limited dates.

[TripleSkeet]

You're a Rock apologist and want to cling on to a by gone era that ISN'T coming back.

My views are hardly retarded, they're spot on to what the MAJORITY of people feel. The Rocks impact on the ratings has flatlined simply because he isn't doing anything "new" or "electrifying".

We will see when the buy rates for this PPV come in. Offering the same main event with NO build-up this time with a predictable ending that I saw coming 3 seconds after the 3 count on Cena last WM. At least I thought they would honor the "Once in a lifetime" gimmick and have the rematch at Summerslam.

Lesner is Lesner. I respect the fact that he openly admits he's there for the money and limited dates.

Im not a Rock apologist, Im just realistic. A guy thats made $70 million that is getting offered constant movie roles and making more with one movie than he would wrestling full time for a year doesnt need the money. And again, I dont care what the majority of people FEEL, if he were refusing to wrestle anywhere but on PPVs it wouldve been reported by now. The WWE has more leaks than the fucking Titanic.

Also, you talk about a Wrestlemania with no buildup and a predictable ending like its The Rocks fault. He books Wrestlemania now too I guess. Like I said, I respect people that dont like the fact hes part time, but if you dont like the storyline or how the feud is built, blame the people that deserve it, the creative team.

[TripleSkeet]

People with money want MORE money..

Plain and simple...

And he could do that by taking on more movie roles instead of taking time away from that to wrestle.

[brettmojo]

Was David Arquette was on Nitro every Monday?

[newport king]

Brettmojo +1

[Kevin]

And he could do that by taking on more movie roles instead of taking time away from that to wrestle.

Why In the blue hell would he take on other movies and all that work when he can make easy money from Vince?

[styckx]

lolwut?

STAMFORD, Conn., March 28, 2013 – WWE today announced a partnership with Sean “Diddy” Combs, featuring a live performance at WrestleMania 29® on Sunday, April 7 by the three-time Grammy Award winner and entertainment powerhouse. Combs will also co-host the Superstars for Sandy Relief party with WWE Chairman and CEO Vince McMahon as a part of the WrestleMania® Week festivities and serve as an ambassador for WWE’s Be a STAR anti-bullying initiative.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

lolwut?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nn-x6tMm-M&feature=player_detailpage

[TripleSkeet]

lolwut?

Must be The Rocks fault. Now hes bringing in all his Hollywood buddies to take valuable TV time away from the hardworking guys that have been there all year like Zack Ryder and Justin Gabriel.

[brettmojo]

lolwut?

Oh the "VOTE OR DIE" guy handling an anti-bullying campaign? Fantastic!

[newport king]

Bad boy..eh eh. Take that take that. Bad boy.

[conman823]

I do blame creative, I blame them for everything wrong with WWE including having to bring in Dewayne Johnson just to try to boost ratings for their failing product.

I blame Vince or whoever negotiated this awful deal with Dwayne and Lesner for agreeing to these BS terms because they think they need them.

I blame the Rock for taking the deal and walking in saying how "he's home" and loves WWE when his phoney ass spent 7 years trying to deny he was even in wrestling. I blame him because he is the current reigning WWE Champion and the whole company is on his juiced up shoulders. The person holdin the belt should be the main draw of the PPV (not that they ever gave Punk that chance but whatever) and he has major impact on his own "character" direction. He's excepting this mediocre build when him and Cena don't have too. So that just tells me he's there for the check.

[NickyL0885]

I do blame creative, I blame them for everything wrong with WWE including having to bring in Dewayne Johnson just to try to boost ratings for their failing product.

I blame Vince or whoever negotiated this awful deal with Dwayne and Lesner for agreeing to these BS terms because they think they need them.

I blame the Rock for taking the deal and walking in saying how "he's home" and loves WWE when his phoney ass spent 7 years trying to deny he was even in wrestling. I blame him because he is the current reigning WWE Champion and the whole company is on his juiced up shoulders. The person holdin the belt should be the main draw of the PPV (not that they ever gave Punk that chance but whatever) and he has major impact on his own "character" direction. He's excepting this mediocre build when him and Cena don't have too. So that just tells me he's there for the check.

That still pisses me off. The man held the title for over a year, and he rarely main evented a PPV. Seriously, what are they going to do if Cena drops dead from all the overworking? Might as well close shop, b/c apparently, they can't live without him on top.

[walking joint]

Please stop the Rock debate. It's worse than Raw.

[TripleSkeet]

I do blame creative, I blame them for everything wrong with WWE including having to bring in Dewayne Johnson just to try to boost ratings for their failing product.

I blame Vince or whoever negotiated this awful deal with Dwayne and Lesner for agreeing to these BS terms because they think they need them.

I blame the Rock for taking the deal and walking in saying how "he's home" and loves WWE when his phoney ass spent 7 years trying to deny he was even in wrestling. I blame him because he is the current reigning WWE Champion and the whole company is on his juiced up shoulders. The person holdin the belt should be the main draw of the PPV (not that they ever gave Punk that chance but whatever) and he has major impact on his own "character" direction. He's excepting this mediocre build when him and Cena don't have too. So that just tells me he's there for the check.

I dont have a problem with any of this. The weird part is, the man holding the belt is the main draw for Mania, unlike last year. Its just that the storyline blows because its already been done. Its weird because rematches have happened in wrestling a million times, but the problem is this feud hasnt evolved at all. Nothing has changed from last year. Their beef is basically the same thing. Fucking terrible.

That being said, the terms they gave both Rock and Lesnar are what they are because they DO need them. Their ratings blow without those guys or other big name stars popping up. Theyre failure to make stars is what give guys like that the leverage they need to make those deals.

[NickyL0885]

And the "boring" chants ensue. Man, this WM is gonna be off the chain! :wallbash:

[MIKEYDAKEN]

12 minutes in and the first boring chant, nice writing dicks.:thumbdown:

[cougarjake13]

lately all I hear is cena sucks chants and no lets go cena right after like in past

[styckx]

This crowd seems to give zero fucks about everything tonight.. Which is awesome..

[MIKEYDAKEN]

This crowd seems to give zero fucks about everything tonight.. Which is awesome..

they need to be doing these shows in the boonies where they will cheer for this shit. I'm just hate tweeting wwe all night and it may not do any good but it makes me feel better.

[styckx]

they need to be doing these shows in the boonies where they will cheer for this shit. I'm just hate tweeting wwe all night and it may not do any good but it makes me feel better.

Yeah but this is the last show before WM and the crowd is shitting on everything thrown at them so far.. The entire show has X-Pac heat..

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Yeah but this is the last show before WM and the crowd is shitting on everything thrown at them so far.. The entire show has X-Pac heat..

I know maybe next year the raws will be in the south or whichever states still cheer this writing.

[styckx]

lmao at dusting off HBK to help sell a WM match no one gives a shit about.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/fb6c336c0ae9beda8bdfdb104070470c/tumblr_mkls8poYG31rdfh1bo1_500.jpg

[styckx]

Looks like HBKs bald spot got a big push for WM also.

[styckx]

We're over an hour into the go home WM show and your current reigning WWE champed is being billed as "returning tonight" and still hasn't shown his face..

WWE is treating WM like Capital Punishment or something.

[Kevin]

We're over an hour into the go home WM show and your current reigning WWE champed is being billed as "returning tonight" and still hasn't shown his face..

WWE is treating WM like Capital Punishment or something.

10 minutes at the end of Raw is all you need to be a fighting champ these days!

[MIKEYDAKEN]

We're over an hour into the go home WM show and your current reigning WWE champed is being billed as "returning tonight" and still hasn't shown his face..

WWE is treating WM like Capital Punishment or something.

please don't say anything bad about the rock please I can't deal with the arguing on here anymore.

[Kevin]

Woo Woo Woo

You Job It!

[styckx]

Santino has been the only bright spot of the night so far.

[Kevin]

http://themetapicture.com/media/funny-The-Rock-car-meme-blonde-girl.jpg

[styckx]

CM Punk is the only one who showed up to sell a PPV tonight.. Solid promo.

[Kevin]

CM Punk is the only one who showed up to sell a PPV tonight.. Solid promo.

Come on! Undertaker is going EVISCERATE HIM TONIGHT!

[styckx]

Come on! Undertaker is going EVISCERATE HIM TONIGHT!

Oh right that.. :dry:

And why in gods name are they making Dutch wrestle? Seriously???

[styckx]

http://i.imgur.com/5OmzCT1.gif http://i.imgur.com/5OmzCT1.gif The Rock Next!! http://i.imgur.com/5OmzCT1.gif http://i.imgur.com/5OmzCT1.gif More stories and penis jokes!!! http://i.imgur.com/5OmzCT1.gif http://i.imgur.com/5OmzCT1.gif

[Kevin]

All thanks to The Rock....

GI Joe did terrible in the previous ones without the Rock in it...

[Kevin]

Sure Rock...

CONNECTION....

Not the millions of dollars that you are getting...

This is why I hate him, he is a damn phoney...

[styckx]

Rock points to his ear to call attention to all 1/3rd of the arena chanting his name..

No one gives a shit at all.. Terrible.

[Kevin]

The MILLIONS AND MILLIONS

OF DOLLARS IN MY BANK ACCOUNT!

[styckx]

40 minutes left in the last RAW before the biggest PPV of the year and we're getting a two part push for a match with FanDango in it..

40 minutes left
A wrestler who hasn't wrestled before
Pushed
40 minutes left

[NickyL0885]

Did you all Tout it out?!!!!!

[Kevin]

Hey Trish..

Write how you want me to induct you and ill write back really fast YES!

[styckx]

15 minutes left and it's a diva match that is really just a shitty dance segment..

I don't even think pre AE WWF was this shitty and non-caring.

[styckx]

There are not enough words to describe just how awful this is.. I love Punk but this is the ultimate in cringe..

[TripleSkeet]

Raw sucked tonight. Their entire creative team and style of writing the show needs to go. They refuse to mix any characters into storylines. Its this guy is fighting with that guy and he cant fight with anyone else unless its a squash before they get to the PPV. They dont have mid carders anymore. They have a handful of main eventers and a roster full of "enhancement talent". Guys like Ziggler, Bryan, Rhodes, Sandow, the Shield and others are wasted as time fillers on this show. Its really a shame.

The fact that Cenas not a heel is a joke too. Its not split crowds anymore. Someone mentioned it earlier, there is no more Lets Go Cena chants. Its just Cena Sucks, followed by boos, and as of tonight, followed with Boring chants. Unless they plan to just run through Alabama, Mississippi and the south, its pointless keeping him as a face.

Once The Rock and Lesnar leaves, unless they have another big name planned to come in ratings are gonna nosedive this summer. And they fucking deserve it.

One last thing, Paul Heyman is one of the greatest parts of their roster. They need to use him more. His imitation of Paul Bearer was so spot on tonight that for a couple seconds I thought Vince had really swerved everyone by faking his death. The fucking guy is the best.

[newport king]

Just roll paul bearers corpse out and have punk fuck it in the mouth
Really drive the point home.

Also, naomi has a fat ass.

[conman823]

I'm not going to even comment on the actual show. You guys about covered it.

Paul Heyman is out there doing gods work at this point. I never thought there could be a manager equal to Heenan in my lifetime, but if there is anyone coming close it's Heyman.

[cougarjake13]

lmao at dusting off HBK to help sell a WM match no one gives a shit about.



and how does he help sell it anyway ?

him being there isn't gonna change anyone's mind to buy the ppv


and him bring there at all is meaningless unless he were to super kick trips and help Brock win but he's not a full timer , hell he isn't even a part timer so there'd be no point in that