Monday Night RAW Discussion

[Kevin]

The fake "Let's Go Rocky - C-M PUNK" chants are awful

Love how Rybak got zero reaction to his entrance but load feed me more chants...

[styckx]

Rock Vs Cena at WM??? WHO DIDN"T SEE THAT COMING????

Oh yeah.. Everyone saw that coming.. Months ago.. *yawn*...

Love how Rybak got zero reaction to his entrance but load feed me more chants...

Exactly.. That too

[Kevin]

I for one am shocked by that outcome...:blink:

[conman823]

I nodded off reading the results. So the big swerve was having the Shield win? Wow cause any other outcome would have killed the angle totally. Plus the other 3 lose no face by getting defeated.

I can't see Swagger going to WM without some sort of Sheamus involvement in the match. I guess Ortons star really has fallen, can't wait to see what cluster fuck midcard match he gets lumped into.

Zeb has good point though.

[cougarjake13]

ortons rumored to go to tna

[newport king]

I cant imagine anyone ordered that last night.

[cougarjake13]

sadly millions did

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I nodded off reading the results. So the big swerve was having the Shield win? Wow cause any other outcome would have killed the angle totally. Plus the other 3 lose no face by getting defeated.

I can't see Swagger going to WM without some sort of Sheamus involvement in the match. I guess Ortons star really has fallen, can't wait to see what cluster fuck midcard match he gets lumped into.

Zeb has good point though.

Remember orton is a strike away from getting canned they probably don't want to risk it anymore.

[cougarjake13]

Remember orton is a strike away from getting canned they probably don't want to risk it anymore.



his contract is up after mania apparently so I don't think the three strikes matters

plus that's all made up anyway

they could randomly test the locker room every week on raw and if it was legit 3 weeks from now they'd all have 3 strikes

[conman823]

ortons rumored to go to tna

Good. He bores me to tears anyway.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wrestlemania 30 to be in New Orleans next year.

Hope the power doesnt go out for 30 minutes

[cougarjake13]

Wrestlemania 30 to be in New Orleans next year.

Hope the power doesnt go out for 30 minutes

it will when taker comes out
freak out the whole building and then the lightning hits

[newport king]

Watching Elimination Chamber.

The ADR/Show match was ok. The finish wouldve been great but that was a TERRIBLE botch by ADR.
Cesaro/Miz decent. Miz doesnt suck. Thats the compliment i can pay him.
Mark Henry is fuckin awesome. Theyre really pushing Jack Thwagger. Hes only been back like 2 weeks.

[newport king]

Why does vince change guys names? He did it with chainsaw charlie/terry funk and zeb coulter/dirty dutch mantel. Older fans know who it is. Just use their established names

[newport king]

SHIELD match was good. Lillian Garcia almost got killed... Doesnt say much when 3 rookies in the E in their 2nd match out wrestle Vince's 3 fav wrestlers.

[brettmojo]

Rock/Cena 2... Once in a lifetime, twice in a year. Awesome.

[cougarjake13]

Rock/Cena 2... Once in a lifetime, twice in a year. Awesome.



maybe not


punk just got cena to put his title shot on line


to me that means either punk wins and it's rock v punk


or a triple threat

[WRESTLINGFAN]

maybe not


punk just got cena to put his title shot on line


to me that means either punk wins and it's rock v punk


or a triple threat


If ' Taker doesn't wrestle might be a triple threat.

[newport king]

I think theyre waiting on takers status to book that punk/cena match. And of all people, youre gonna put henry in a feud with, khali? Really?

[Kevin]

maybe not


punk just got cena to put his title shot on line


to me that means either punk wins and it's rock v punk


or a triple threat

Predictable Shield run in to cost Cena the shot...

[walking joint]

cool ziggler/del rio spot

[styckx]

I absolutely love the Zeb and Swagger gimmick. It's one of the most out of left field gimmicks WWE has given someone in ages. It's so completely out of place and tip toeing the lines of racism... Sadly the fans don't know good gimmicks when they see one and are ignoring it so far.

[walking joint]

worst part of raw each week for me. the ziggler tough loss

[Kevin]

There has never been a more awful and shitty place to get big events like the Superdome.

[cougarjake13]

worst part of raw each week for me. the ziggler tough loss



they're obviously going full steam with ADR v swagger

I just don't see where ziggler fits in his cashing in
at this point I think he'll ultimately cash in but lose like cena did

cause doesn't it run out at mania?


so unless they do the cash in and lose they'll prob do something gay like swagger wins and then dolph cashes in on him and wins

[cougarjake13]

oh great


here comes baby bischoff again

[Kevin]

Everytime the Shield's music starts, I think the APA is coming out..

[Kevin]

Jericho, behind the Shield all along, heel turn coming to a TV near you..

Predictable WWE...

[MIKEYDAKEN]

they're obviously going full steam with ADR v swagger

I just don't see where ziggler fits in his cashing in
at this point I think he'll ultimately cash in but lose like cena did

cause doesn't it run out at mania?


so unless they do the cash in and lose they'll prob do something gay like swagger wins and then dolph cashes in on him and wins

no he got his at the MITB ppv so it's like till june or so.

[brettmojo]

No... Cena will beat Punk because Vince's stubborn hard-on for baby face John will never go away. Taker will come out and choose Punk for his Wrestlemania victim continuing the string of incredibly predictable ppvs.

[styckx]

Holy fuck.. Scott Hall looks like death

http://i.imgur.com/s8mJXF8.jpg

[Kevin]

The Rock plugging two movies....

But he did it for the fans!!!

[Kevin]

Holy fuck.. Scott Hall looks like death

http://i.imgur.com/s8mJXF8.jpg

Get the fuck out of here.

THAT IS NOT SCOTT HALL!!!

Can't be!

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Get the fuck out of here.

THAT IS NOT SCOTT HALL!!!

Can't be!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--lZ2gpvY4Tc/TrdxzzorE4I/AAAAAAAAEH0/pZ8vD0BxM10/s640/hall03.jpg alcohol is a helluva drug

[newport king]

Jake looks great

[styckx]

This is contending to be gayer than anything John Cena has ever done... The only thing that can save this faggotry is The Rock going full on Fuck You heel.

[styckx]

Ok.. This can also save the segment.. Wow new belt!

[MIKEYDAKEN]

well one bright spot i guess. never mind

[styckx]

And ruined with bull logos...

[Kevin]

That Belt was is worse than the Cena belt.

Wow is it terrible!

[RingWraith]

That Belt was is worse than the Cena belt.

Wow is it terrible!

Agreed! That's an ugly belt. The WWE logo on it is waaay too big, and hardly any gold. Sigh, the early/mid 90's WWF belt is still the best looking one.

[styckx]

Looks better when it's show how it's supposed to be.. ie: Without The Rocks faggotry

http://i.imgur.com/d2TScT5.jpg

[RingWraith]

Looks better when it's show how it's supposed to be.. ie: Without The Rocks faggotry

http://i.imgur.com/d2TScT5.jpg

I'm assuming the side pieces are interchangable with whoever is champion.

[NickyL0885]

Man, Shane looks awful.

https://o.twimg.com/1/proxy.jpg?t=FQQVBhgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG 93L2xhcmdlL2M0YzY3OC5qcGcUAhYAEgA&s=GdxiavqRdhqdPwj9oMBBZ8e3TekZ3XNye5m6ruMlDSE

[TripleSkeet]

Why does vince change guys names? He did it with chainsaw charlie/terry funk and zeb coulter/dirty dutch mantel. Older fans know who it is. Just use their established names

To be fair, its been said many times the Chainsaw Charlie gimmick was Funks idea. Vince had no problem with him being Terry Funk. Mick Foley has said he still doesnt know why he wanted to do it.

[TripleSkeet]

I absolutely love the Zeb and Swagger gimmick. It's one of the most out of left field gimmicks WWE has given someone in ages. It's so completely out of place and tip toeing the lines of racism... Sadly the fans don't know good gimmicks when they see one and are ignoring it so far.

Its actually shocking to me. Its almost an Attitude Era gimmick somehow snuck under the door and found its way on the show.

[TripleSkeet]

Jericho, behind the Shield all along, heel turn coming to a TV near you..

Predictable WWE...

I was thinking that too, but isnt he leaving again soon? Sems like a waste.

Looks better when it's show how it's supposed to be.. ie: Without The Rocks faggotry

http://i.imgur.com/d2TScT5.jpg

Im not a fan of it. With or without the bulls. That being said, at least its better than the last one. It still looks like a toy to me.

[TripleSkeet]

Oh, one last thing. A perfect example of why I hate the Cena gimmick. At one point during his promo with Punk he said "You say I cant win the big one and dont deserve a shot at Wrestlemania, well I disagree with you!"

SO...FUCKING.....LAME.

Almost as lame as Vince pushing an angle where the guy he has made squash just about everyone thats walked in the door the last 6 years is supposedly now the guy that cant win the big one. I know he thinks wrestling fans have about 2 week memories but is there ANYONE that would say John Cena cant win the big one???? What the fuck? How about just a smidge of reality?

[newport king]

That belt is ugly. Too squared. Too black

[cougarjake13]

wow


so punk holds the strap for over 430 days no new belt

rock will have it at most a few months ..... new belt

[brettmojo]

No name on the belt? Ghey. Only three panels? Ghey. But as long as the spinner belt is in the trash it's a good thing. Didn't mind the US Title spinning but not the f'n world title. I thought they were bringing back the brahma bull belt. They did have that for a while right? I know Stone Cold had the smoking skull belt and actually wore it. Not sure if the bull one was real or just a toy. Still love the attitude era belt the best...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/WWF_attitude_Championship.jpg

ECW's original one was great too...

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQ5Hu6SPnQ5t5NJgUvpM8OpHFFtyoIb Fh_Ox3bwVv6VdKqWart

[conman823]

This is the single most hysterical thing I've read in 25 years of being a Wrestling Fan....

- John Cena revealed in a recent interview with NOLA.com that he wasn't sure that he would be involved in this year's WrestleMania event.

"Had you asked me three months ago would I even be involved in WrestleMania, the answer was probably no. So I literally just had to, uh, stop being a boo-boo face, you know? [I had to] get off my horse of pouting and get back in the mix, and that's just what I did... There is nobody more excited than me because very rarely do you get that first chance, you almost never get that second chance. So, I'm very happy to be there."


Thanks for trying to keep kayfabe alive John.

[newport king]

The Bull belt was comissioned but never used. The Undisputed belt was nice, as was the eagle belt of the 80s that was turned into the hardcore belt. And the hogan/andre world heavyweight champion was pretty sweet. They went to a new maker in the attitude era. All those belts look pretty similar. This new blinged out thing is awful.

[conman823]

I like the new title. It's got a toned down classy ness to it that I think was needed after the garishness of the spinner belt.

[brettmojo]

The Bull belt was comissioned but never used. The Undisputed belt was nice, as was the eagle belt of the 80s that was turned into the hardcore belt. And the hogan/andre world heavyweight champion was pretty sweet. They went to a new maker in the attitude era. All those belts look pretty similar. This new blinged out thing is awful.
I forgot about the Undisputed title... The 2nd version was nice after they made it bigger. The first version was kinda' small.

[newport king]

The centerplate looks empty. The diamonds make is as garish as the previous. Personalized belts are lame. I know those other plates will be replaced with a generic wwe plate or a hustle,loyalty, respect thing after mania.

[conman823]

The Undisputed Title was my personal favorite if all the designs.

WHC is due for a redesign too. Even though in the record books it is not considered the WCW Championship anymore it still is in my eyes.

[newport king]

Nah the big gold belt has to stay as is

[conman823]

Ever since it's become the secondary belt its tarnishing its legacy. Its like watching Ric Flair still wrestling. It should be retired and a huge DVD made about its history

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This was one of my faves.


http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100703063834/prowrestling/images/4/44/WWF_World_Heavyweight_Wrestling_Championship.jpg

Before the big gold belt. NWA (Pre WCW) used this one


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/NWA_World_Heavyweight_Championship_-_1.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

My problem with the new belt is pretty simple. Not enough gold i the main plate, and enough with the fucking bedazzling. A few gem stones on or around it, but you dont just ice the whole fucking belt.

[asayresk]

Holy fuck.. Scott Hall looks like death

http://i.imgur.com/s8mJXF8.jpg

He lived a good life.

[RingWraith]

My problem with the new belt is pretty simple. Not enough gold i the main plate, and enough with the fucking bedazzling. A few gem stones on or around it, but you dont just ice the whole fucking belt.

Agreed... "not enough gold". Plus I think the "WWE logo" is way too big IMO.

[styckx]

People started Photoshopping the belt already.. Amazing how amatuers on the net already made it look better without drastic changes

http://www.living-vicariously.net/2013/02/the-brand-new-wwe-championship.html

[newport king]

The red globe is really nice

[conman823]

Looks like DDP should just put Nanna in a home and call it a day.

What a shame

[newport king]

Holy fuck.. Scott Hall looks like death

http://i.imgur.com/s8mJXF8.jpg

Hey YO. Say hello to the dead guy.

[TripleSkeet]

The red globe is really nice

Agreed. They are all better than the actual one.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

http://nodq.com/wwe/363401233.shtml
Jack swagger got arrested with weed on him last night.

[styckx]

Well.. There goes that push.. Dumb motherfucker

[cougarjake13]

Well.. There goes that push.. Dumb motherfucker


and now we know when ziggler will cash in

[newport king]

He just went from wrestling for the #2 belt in the company with ADR to jobbing to Sin Cara on Superstars

[conman823]

Damn it! All I cared about on RAW was Jebs rants and Mark Henry

[cougarjake13]

http://nodq.com/wwe/363401233.shtml
Jack swagger got arrested with weed on him last night.


I guess he really believes in

weed the people

[MIKEYDAKEN]

holy shit it gets worse for him:http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/0220/560540/jack-swagger-update-wwe-can-fire-him/

[Dirtbag]

One of Brodus Clay's dancers got hit with a DUI not long ago and on top of that tried to bribe the cop. She's still around and unless they try to make an example out of Swagger, I'm sure he will be too.

[cougarjake13]

was the arresting officer Hispanic ? or Mexican


then they culd use that in his gimmick

[DarkHippie]

That's too bad. I loved Swagger's gimmick. It made me feel just uncomfortable enough to make the show interesting

[TripleSkeet]

What a fucking retard. You know, Ill never claim to know what these guys go through on the road with that kind of grind. And Ill never say "If I was a wrestler I would never fuck around with that kind of stuff." HOWEVER, if I was a guy whose fucking career was just languishing in the mud for the last 3 years, and I just got elevated to wrestling for the number 2 belt in the company at Wrestlemania, you can bet your ass Id be a fucking choirboy for at least the next 6 months. How do you fuck up that opportunity????? Did he learn nothing from Orton? Poor Dutch Mantel, where does he go from here?

[DarkHippie]

What a fucking retard. You know, Ill never claim to know what these guys go through on the road with that kind of grind. And Ill never say "If I was a wrestler I would never fuck around with that kind of stuff." HOWEVER, if I was a guy whose fucking career was just languishing in the mud for the last 3 years, and I just got elevated to wrestling for the number 2 belt in the company at Wrestlemania, you can bet your ass Id be a fucking choirboy for at least the next 6 months. How do you fuck up that opportunity????? Did he learn nothing from Orton? Poor Dutch Mantel, where does he go from here?

Vince should put the title on Dutch

[styckx]

Damn it! All I cared about on RAW was Jebs rants and Mark Henry

I have a feeling the Jeb rants were going to be nixed anyway. WWE PR had to send out press releases explaining the segments because Foxnews and the Tea Party claimed WWE was discriminating.. Or something..

If this was 15 years ago media and political groups upset at something WWE was doing would mean WWE would continue doing the angle turned up to 12.

In present day, media and political groups upset at something WWE is doing means they castrate themselves and apologize.

[TripleSkeet]

I have a feeling the Jeb rants were going to be nixed anyway. WWE PR had to send out press releases explaining the segments because Foxnews and the Tea Party claimed WWE was discriminating.. Or something..

If this was 15 years ago media and political groups upset at something WWE was doing would mean WWE would continue doing the angle turned up to 12.

In present day, media and political groups upset at something WWE is doing means they castrate themselves and apologize.

Thats what happens when a company decides it wants stockholders. You cater to jerkoffs that know nothing about your business.

You guys dont know how much I love the fact that when I play wrestle with my kids, they make me put on Raw on WWE classics, right now its the one where Mankind first won the title in 99, rather than watch the current product. My son is 3 and he hates John Cena. His favorite wrestler is The Rock. At least I know Im doing something right.

[TjM]

till love the attitude era belt the best...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/WWF_attitude_Championship.jpg

ECW's original one was great too...

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQ5Hu6SPnQ5t5NJgUvpM8OpHFFtyoIb Fh_Ox3bwVv6VdKqWart

PFFFFFFT

Nothing beats this

http://sharkattackwrestling.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/wwe-belts-7.jpg

[TjM]

Also the classic IC title is still better than any newer title

[TjM]

Wow real dumb Jack

Jack Swagger was actually scheduled to win the World Heavyweight Title from Alberto Del Rio at WrestleMania 29, according to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter. WWE's creative team has met several times this week to discuss how to deal with the fallout of Swagger's DUI and drug arrest on Tuesday night.

If Swagger is in fact pulled from the WrestleMania World Heavyweight title match, he'll lose out on a big WrestleMania payday (upwards of $250,000) and Dolph Ziggler will probably get the title shot on April 7th.

[newport king]

So ive been considering buying tix to Mania. Avg stubhub price is north of 350 per ticket which is sickening. Then i realized I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT 1 MATCH IS SCHEDULED!!??!! Thats kind of asking alot for someone to drop a G and not a single match is confirmed. The Axxess event seems cool in theory but as usual in NJ its spread out between NY and NJ. Plus general admission is 45. Plus 20 for parking. Oh and VIP tix for Axxess are 135. (Vip includes a punk/flair signing and some other bullshit i dont care about.)

My kids fav wrestler is CM Punk. So i gotta spend 135 to get a pic/autograph with him? Fuck that noise.

[styckx]

Just in case you were wondering if the Huffington Post couldn't any more derpy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-mcmahon/

[TjM]

So ive been considering buying tix to Mania. Avg stubhub price is north of 350 per ticket which is sickening. Then i realized I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT 1 MATCH IS SCHEDULED!!??!! Thats kind of asking alot for someone to drop a G and not a single match is confirmed. The Axxess event seems cool in theory but as usual in NJ its spread out between NY and NJ. Plus general admission is 45. Plus 20 for parking. Oh and VIP tix for Axxess are 135. (Vip includes a punk/flair signing and some other bullshit i dont care about.)

My kids fav wrestler is CM Punk. So i gotta spend 135 to get a pic/autograph with him? Fuck that noise.

By Mondays Raw things should be clearer RE: Matches

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Look who got invited to Raw

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1540006-wwe-invites-glenn-beck-to-appear-on-upcoming-episode-of-monday-night-raw

[Dirtbag]

Wow wow wow wow wow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9_RcD6WMmM)

[styckx]

*facepalm* when they broke character and explained themselves.. So sad...

[TripleSkeet]

*facepalm* when they broke character and explained themselves.. So sad...

I actually thought that was pretty cool.

[Kevin]

I actually thought that was pretty cool.

Me too.

Fez and Big John Swagger were dead on.

[styckx]

I'm just old school and don't believe in completely breaking kayfabe, or as WWE has done completely and utterly went and obliterated what was left of it. Even their documentary DVDs they do an awesome job of dancing the line without breaking the illusion. CM Punks DVD was about as honest of a DVD I've see from them while still keeping `it's still real to me' in tact..

All for Glenn Beck? Glenn Beck was relevant two years ago and was an easy target then.. Why even give him any attention now?

[cougarjake13]

don't they do quasi celebrity gimmicks for mania?
guess he's the guy this year

[cougarjake13]

*facepalm* when they broke character and explained themselves.. So sad...



I think that was done more for the rest of the non wrestling world then directly just for beck

I love how swagger barely says four lines the whole time

[cougarjake13]

looks like the miz proposed to maryse former diva
good on him

[styckx]

I think that was done more for the rest of the non wrestling world then directly just for beck

I love how swagger barely says four lines the whole time

I'm just enjoying Dirty Dutch cutting promos.. Dude is just an old pro at this and at 63 he's cutting promos that just blow away any promo the current roster is capable of. If I was swagger, kofi and whoever else I'd be `staying after school' to take promo lessons from him. Dude just nails every single line and draws you into his world when he's talking. Punk and Jericho are the only other two on the roster capable of actually cutting a captivating promo and Dutch is still better than them.

[cougarjake13]

I hope they keep swags and Dutch in mania for title and win

[TripleSkeet]

I understand their rules are in place to help the wrestlers, I really do. But I just imagine what the wrestling I grew up with wouldve been like if there had been such strict regulations regarding drug testing or arrests. There would probably be alot more old wrestlers alive but their legacy would be shit as alot of them wouldve been kicked out and had to go back to regular jobs. I dont know what the answer is, but I think if the guys push is working, then they should keep at it. Millions of people have dui's and arrests for minor amounts of pot. I mean, its wrestling. Its not exactly a business and lifestyle that attractes stright shooter choirboys.

[styckx]

WWE is weird..

Taker returned tonight... At......... A house show..

http://i.imgur.com/lm3EMgJ.jpg

[MIKEYDAKEN]

WWE is weird..

Taker returned tonight... At......... A house show..

http://i.imgur.com/lm3EMgJ.jpg
they probably just wanted to test him out just to make sure he doesn't die at the biggest ppv of the year.

[NickyL0885]

they probably just wanted to test him out just to make sure he doesn't die at the biggest ppv of the year.

"And the dead man is about to make his move........oh, wait....now he really is the dead man.

[styckx]

"And the dead man is about to make his move........oh, wait....now he really is the dead man.

Sounds like a skit Robot Chicken would do

[NickyL0885]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1540601-wwe-news-former-wwe-star-selling-memorabilia-at-nyc-subway-station

[cougarjake13]

they probably just wanted to test him out just to make sure he doesn't die at the biggest ppv of the year.



was my guess as well

[asayresk]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1540601-wwe-news-former-wwe-star-selling-memorabilia-at-nyc-subway-station

So sad, yet its kinda funny.

[DarkHippie]

Diggin Vince's purple suit.

[DarkHippie]

Gore! Gore! Gore!

[MIKEYDAKEN]

hey brock
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/SHAUN-OF-THE-DEAD-Youve-Got-Red-On-You-25mm-1-Badge-/00/s/MzQzWDM0Mw==/$(KGrHqJ,!mIE642SVQRsBOyQP9bitQ~~60_35.JPG

[newport king]

Best open in years

[MIKEYDAKEN]

is dolph gonna get jobbed out again?

[newport king]

Why do fans chant goldberg and still go along with the feed me more chants? If you think the gimmick is bullshit dont go along with it

[newport king]

Big E Langston shows more booty than the Funkadactyls

[NickyL0885]

Halle Berry has fallen on hard times I guess.

[newport king]

Good on ziggler for carrying that match while ryberg botched move after move. Id love to see him in the ring with a legit tough guy like wade barrett who might not help sell his bullshit

[cougarjake13]

is dolph gonna get jobbed out again?


yes


I can't think of any mitb winner treated even half as bad as ziggler

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Trump going to WWE hall of fame

[newport king]

Gee...u think that speech from punk was geared towards the undertaker?

[Kevin]

Gee...u think that speech from punk was geared towards the undertaker?


The half dead man will cost him the match tonight

[DarkHippie]

yes


I can't think of any mitb winner treated even half as bad as ziggler

I agree, but I think he gets jobbed so much because he can make any idiot look brilliant in the ring.

[Kevin]

Should Jerry be eating all of that after a major heart attack?

[DarkHippie]

Should Jerry be eating all of that after a major heart attack?

I was just thinking that!

[Kevin]

I was just thinking that!

I think there was a pic of him in the hospital with a big ass steak and fries next to him..

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/66/c4/66c4bd97d9dce6c3a206d678d2af8759.jpg

So clearly he keeps a good diet...

[brettmojo]

Nice job giving away the Undertaker tonight WWE... Fucking retards.

[Kevin]

Has there ever been a WWE champion to not wrestle once during a Raw leading to a Wrestlemania?

At least David Arquette wrestled on Nitro!

[cougarjake13]

Has there ever been a WWE champion to not wrestle once during a Raw leading to a Wrestlemania?

At least David Arquette wrestled on Nitro!


dunno

but he still has a few shots before mania to show up

[cougarjake13]

just wondering


would they do a shield run in on taker ?


maybe shield vs taker orton and sheamus ?

[Kevin]

just wondering


would they do a shield run in on taker ?


maybe shield vs taker orton and sheamus ?

Na, the Streak is a WM staple..

If he can't wrestle it he won't be in it at all..

[Kevin]

CM Punk can even make Cena put on a good match..

Yet him and Dolph will not be headlining WM.

Its a plug whore man who never wrestles and Hulk Hogan 2.0...

[brettmojo]

Nice seeing Cena on the other end of the superman thing for once.

[Kevin]

Nice seeing Cena on the other end of the superman thing for once.

Spoke too soon..

[cougarjake13]

the longer this goes I'm thinking like double count out or time limit

[cougarjake13]

Na, the Streak is a WM staple..

If he can't wrestle it he won't be in it at all..



he's never done a tag team at mania ?

and obviously he'd win

[brettmojo]

ugh.

[cougarjake13]

or not

[Kevin]

Rock tried really hard watching this from his house!

FIGHTING CHAMPION!

[MIKEYDAKEN]

he's never done a tag team at mania ?

and obviously he'd win

he did at i think 18 or 19 him and that big Australian nathan something vs big show albert and bull Buchanan,taker overcame those odds as well.

[Kevin]

Hard work writing that tweet!

What a champ!

[newport king]

I think we'll see taker next week after punk goes on a tirade. That was a great match. Hats off to punk and cena both...you knew cena/rock was going to be the main event.

[RingWraith]

Nice job giving away the Undertaker tonight WWE... Fucking retards.

WWE really just can't help themselves.

[TripleSkeet]

Rock tried really hard watching this from his house!

FIGHTING CHAMPION!

Why blame him???? Its obviously Vince and Company that dont want him to fight before Mania. They did the same shit last year without the belt. Not even one punch thrown throughout the entire buildup. Its like theyve forgotten how to make a fucking feud over there.

Oh, and that last match was very good, but I love how all the WWE guys tweeting are just acting like Cena didnt completely botch that hurricanrana.

[newport king]

Oh, and that last match was very good, but I love how all the WWE guys tweeting are just acting like Cena didnt completely botch that hurricanrana.

I was willing to let it go. The rest of the match made up for it. Ive never been a big Cena fan but i will say he and Punk have great in ring chemistry.

[conman823]

The Cena/Punk match was a 5 star Wrestlemania quality match. Best match I've EVER seen Cena have. The Rock and him CANNOT beat that at WM. Punk makes Cena wrestle and Cena is better for it.

Undertaker should just stay 20-0 and call it a career.

Ziggler.....I just can't anymore. I've done a 180 on him since Rumble. All he does is bump & sell for everyone. He's heading down the drain quick. They have no idea what to do with his briefcase and I was more into day dreaming about a Ryback/Langston monster match then caring about old flopping fish Ziggler. A shame, they ruined it and he let them.

Nice Gash for Lesner. Came over great on TV although I'm sure some mother will write in that there child was scarred for life.

Rock who?

[styckx]

CM Punk is a fantastic wrestler on his own but it's so obvious him and Cena have an incredible trust and respect for each other.. And Vince trusts Punk enough to let John actually wrestle.. Those two have a chemistry in the ring together that is bordering on legendary.. They BOTH step up their game and emotion way beyond their norm.. I haven't seen wrestling like that on WWE TV in fucking ages.. Reminds me of the HBK/Hart feud.. You hung on every move.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Last nights match reminded me of the Savage Steamboat match at WM3. Still one of the best of all time

[TripleSkeet]

The Cena/Punk match was a 5 star Wrestlemania quality match. Best match I've EVER seen Cena have. The Rock and him CANNOT beat that at WM. Punk makes Cena wrestle and Cena is better for it.

Undertaker should just stay 20-0 and call it a career.

Ziggler.....I just can't anymore. I've done a 180 on him since Rumble. All he does is bump & sell for everyone. He's heading down the drain quick. They have no idea what to do with his briefcase and I was more into day dreaming about a Ryback/Langston monster match then caring about old flopping fish Ziggler. A shame, they ruined it and he let them.

Nice Gash for Lesner. Came over great on TV although I'm sure some mother will write in that there child was scarred for life.

Rock who?

I dont know. I cant blame Ziggler. Whats he supposed to do? Go in there and start blasting Ryberg and watch him not sell it? Make him look stupid like Regal did to Goldberg and get shit for it? They bitch all the time about not being able to make stars, well heres one theyve had the chance to make for a year. Now when they finally do, if they do, people will have lost interest. Instead they pushed this fucking lug to the moon because there are retards that like to chant feed me more.

[TjM]

Vince McMahon was irate backstage at Monday's RAW when CM Punk gave John Cena a piledriver during the main event. The piledriver is a banned move in WWE and the only reason Vince did not take disciplinary action was because it was CM Punk and John Cena performing the move.

[styckx]

Vince McMahon was irate backstage at Monday's RAW when CM Punk gave John Cena a piledriver during the main event. The piledriver is a banned move in WWE and the only reason Vince did not take disciplinary action was because it was CM Punk and John Cena performing the move.

Either Vince approved it and is just doing this to save face, or John and Punk did it in secret as they knew how much it would add. Either way I don't give a fuck.. Seeing a real piledriver on WWE TV again was fucking awesome. He could fire Punk tomorrow and Punk will have earned a HOF spot. He's cocky as shit but he's earned it.. He made a lot of claims over a year ago and backed every-single-one of them up. Dude is a workhorse and apparently has taken on the locker room leader role that Taker and HHH used to have.

[cougarjake13]

he did at i think 18 or 19 him and that big Australian nathan something vs big show albert and bull Buchanan,taker overcame those odds as well.



oh yeh Nathan jones


that guys in no mans land like snitsky

[cougarjake13]

Vince McMahon was irate backstage at Monday's RAW when CM Punk gave John Cena a piledriver during the main event. The piledriver is a banned move in WWE and the only reason Vince did not take disciplinary action was because it was CM Punk and John Cena performing the move.


wow I felt like I watched that whole match and I don't remember that
must have nodded off

[cougarjake13]

I was shocked to see cena do a power bomb and the god awful hurricarana

[conman823]

I was shocked at the pile driver, it's gotta be 10 years since I've seen one in a WWE ring. Good for them, certain moves and blood can really add to the drama of a match and draw the fans in. I loved it, go back and listen to Lawler and cole, they didn't even know what to say.

Plus Brock bleeding all over the place, it was like a little bit of Attitude Era last night

[DarkHippie]

I think I've changed my tune on Cena. Yes, he botched the Hurri (or was it a Frankensteiner?), but that match was one of the best that I have ever seen without being at a PPV.

It wasn't just the powerbomb or the piledriver. It was the physical storytelling, the ability to ratchet up the tension so I that I was literally off of my couch by the end. That's what makes a good match, and that's what they did

[TripleSkeet]

I think I've changed my tune on Cena. Yes, he botched the Hurri (or was it a Frankensteiner?), but that match was one of the best that I have ever seen without being at a PPV.

It wasn't just the powerbomb or the piledriver. It was the physical storytelling, the ability to ratchet up the tension so I that I was literally off of my couch by the end. That's what makes a good match, and that's what they did

I dont really have a problem with Cena in the ring. He usually performs well in big matches. Regular ones he pretty much goes through the motions, but 98% of them do that as well. My major problems with the guy are his gimmick, and the way they book him. His gimmick is just lame. It was cool in 1985, and stale by 1988 and yet 25 years later, they still have him doing it, but somehow even more corny than Hogan ever was. The guys character is a cornball. Period.

The booking style with him is ridiculous. Have him kick out of a guys finisher 8 times in one match, have him beat up 5 guys at once, overcome whatever diabolical plan the evil owner / GM / Commissioner / Whatever the fuck they are calling it now has in for him. Its fucking exhausting. I mean they have the balls to book him in this match as the guy that CANT WIN THE BIG ONE. Seriously??? Hes ended up on top at the end of every feud hes had except the one match with The Rock. And because of that, EVERYONE thought he was gonna be booked in the rematch, and EVERYONE thinks hes gonna win.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I was shocked at the pile driver, it's gotta be 10 years since I've seen one in a WWE ring. Good for them, certain moves and blood can really add to the drama of a match and draw the fans in. I loved it, go back and listen to Lawler and cole, they didn't even know what to say.

Plus Brock bleeding all over the place, it was like a little bit of Attitude Era last night

Aren't some chair shots especially to the head banned by WWE? I remember hearing Vince was heated because HHH and 'Taker exchanged chair shots at WM 27

[TripleSkeet]

Aren't some chair shots especially to the head banned by WWE? I remember hearing Vince was heated because HHH and 'Taker exchanged chair shots at WM 27

I dont think so. If you remember, they didnt hit each opther in the head with the chairs. It was all back shots. Both of their backs were black, blue, purple and red,.

[Kevin]

I can't take a group seriously when they say they took care of the john cena problem, when he is fighting for the title at WM

[MIKEYDAKEN]

wow I felt like I watched that whole match and I don't remember that
must have nodded off

http://http://24.media.tumblr.com/1b5a9f361255c2d7c9ee5d6f22f2d86a/tumblr_miuxjcPJIu1rkz4xzo1_400.gif
here ya go

[Kevin]

Stuff like this is why I don't get the Cena hate..

He consistently backs guys out back and isn't afraid to do what he just did last night.

Liking a phony like the Rock and his 15yr catch phrases over him makes no sense...

He does it for the fans, but just happens to have 2 movies to plug...

[TripleSkeet]

Stuff like this is why I don't get the Cena hate..

He consistently backs guys out back and isn't afraid to do what he just did last night.

Liking a phony like the Rock and his 15yr catch phrases over him makes no sense...

He does it for the fans, but just happens to have 2 movies to plug...

His gimmick is fucking stupid. His catchphrases are childish and corny. What dont you get? At least The Rock makes me laugh when he gets on the mic. Last night Cena put on an incredible match with an incredible opponent. That doesnt change anything about his gimmick, his promos, or his presence on the show. Brodus Clay could look like a 400 pound Dynamite Kid in the ring, but it wouldnt change the fact that when I look at him I see a clown. Its almost the same thing with Cena for me.

[Kevin]

What makes it more astonishing is the fact that an Italian from Philly likes a black guy over a white guy...

Waka waka..

[Kevin]

His gimmick is fucking stupid. His catchphrases are childish and corny. What dont you get? At least The Rock makes me laugh when he gets on the mic. Last night Cena put on an incredible match with an incredible opponent. That doesnt change anything about his gimmick, his promos, or his presence on the show. Brodus Clay could look like a 400 pound Dynamite Kid in the ring, but it wouldnt change the fact that when I look at him I see a clown. Its almost the same thing with Cena for me.

The Rock has not made me laugh say for the Vicky song in the 2 years he has done mania lead ups.

But I like stuff that I have not heard 5million times before..

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I'm more bothered by the fact that I know what both rock and cena can do on the mic yet both play it safe with their 5 vocal moves of doom.Rock:yadda yadda gay reference, fruity pebbles stick something up your ass.Cena:blah blah I won't quit on my fans, never give up never surrender,hustle, loyalty and respect will help me overcome. :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[NickyL0885]

http://i.imgur.com/x41A2Ay.gif

[styckx]

That gif never gets old

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

[conman823]

There have been plenty of WM rematches over the years, but those were justified because the competitors put on a great match and the fans WANTED to see it again. Rock/Cena last year was 98% hype and 2% match. Fucking Kane/Orton was a better quality match for Christ sake.

I just think RAW showed what the Main Event at WM SHOULD have been.

[TripleSkeet]

There have been plenty of WM rematches over the years, but those were justified because the competitors put on a great match and the fans WANTED to see it again. Rock/Cena last year was 98% hype and 2% match. Fucking Kane/Orton was a better quality match for Christ sake.

I just think RAW showed what the Main Event at WM SHOULD have been.

And I would have had no problem with that. I wouldnt have minded seeing The Rock take on Lesnar or Undertaker. I guess they figured theyve had these 2 feud so much over the past year people wouldnt want to see it.

Personally I dont want to see Rock / Cena because Im about 98% sure of the outcome. I think thats a credit for the Undertaker most people overlook. Anyone with half a brain knows hes going to win, and yet his Mania matches still are exciting.

[conman823]

That's the trick. This WM is shaping up.to be predictable BUT they could still pull off some swerves and upsets. I thought Cena was going to win last year but it didn't turn out that way.

CM Punk vs Taker has been confirmed apparently this week.

[styckx]

CM Punk vs Taker has been confirmed apparently this week.

They really threw this one together carelessly. How am I supposed to take that match seriously when Punk has lost twice to The Rock and once to Cena in a month? Like.. No one will even think he has a remote chance of beating Taker.. Don't get me wrong no one does but in the past they at least did a damn good job of pretending someone had a chance of Taker actually losing.

[brettmojo]

His gimmick is fucking stupid. His catchphrases are childish and corny. What dont you get? At least The Rock makes me laugh when he gets on the mic. Last night Cena put on an incredible match with an incredible opponent. That doesnt change anything about his gimmick, his promos, or his presence on the show. Brodus Clay could look like a 400 pound Dynamite Kid in the ring, but it wouldnt change the fact that when I look at him I see a clown. Its almost the same thing with Cena for me.

It's his in-ring work... It's boring. Remember the "same old shit" chants? Yeah. Exactly. The way he's booked like Superman... Gets the shit beat out of him for 20 minutes then wins it with the same handful of moves the exact same way every time. The awful diarrhea that comes out of his mouth whenever he 's on mic... He showed when he did the rap gimmick how great he could be but they have him pushing Hulkamania 2.0 and it's awful. Against guys like the Rock and Punk who aren't placating to children he looks and sounds like a cartoon character.

I won't argue that Rock's shtick since he's "returned" has been somewhat lazy and predictable but once again when you're comparing it to Cena he's still more entertaining and he gets points for being the Rock. I'd even go further and say Punk out mic'd him during their program. I'll still take any Rock at all over what they've been calling superstars since the attitude guys dwindled away. I'd agree too the watering down of the product has a lot to do with the WWE going public. Between that and Vince's wife trying to get into politics they're too afraid to push the envelope like they used to and Cena is the prime example. He's sugar-free vanilla. The glimpses when he reaches back and channels thuganomics Cena or that really great promo he ripped on Rock before Wrestlemania last year are so fucking frustrating.

[DarkHippie]

I'm ok wiht Cena's gimmick. Adults in the 80s hated Hogan, but the kids loved him. I have nothing but fond memories of the hulkster.

Cena is for the kids. He's the modern day Hogan, and there's nothing wrong with that. When this generation grows up, they will have the same warm feelings about Cena that I have about Hogan.

[TjM]

I'm ok wiht Cena's gimmick. Adults in the 80s hated Hogan, but the kids loved him. I have nothing but fond memories of the hulkster.

Cena is for the kids. He's the modern day Hogan, and there's nothing wrong with that. When this generation grows up, they will have the same warm feelings about Cena that I have about Hogan.

If there were an internetz then Macho Man Randy Savage would be their CM Punk

[NickyL0885]

Source: F4WOnline
- WWE will turn back the clock this Monday on Raw as the program is being branded as an "old school" episode. Aside from the likely return of The Undertaker, the episode is being internally considered a throwaway show and undercard matches for WrestleMania will not start to take shape until at least the following week.

:wallbash:

[DarkHippie]

:wallbash:

BRING BACK THE IRON SHIEK!!

[Kevin]

:wallbash:

Translation..

The Rock is busy again...

He will make a twitter comment though!

[MIKEYDAKEN]

remember when they planned wrestlemania first then worked backward through the year? god how hard is it for them to think back to what worked 15 years ago?

[TripleSkeet]

It's his in-ring work... It's boring. Remember the "same old shit" chants? Yeah. Exactly. The way he's booked like Superman... Gets the shit beat out of him for 20 minutes then wins it with the same handful of moves the exact same way every time. The awful diarrhea that comes out of his mouth whenever he 's on mic... He showed when he did the rap gimmick how great he could be but they have him pushing Hulkamania 2.0 and it's awful. Against guys like the Rock and Punk who aren't placating to children he looks and sounds like a cartoon character.

I won't argue that Rock's shtick since he's "returned" has been somewhat lazy and predictable but once again when you're comparing it to Cena he's still more entertaining and he gets points for being the Rock. I'd even go further and say Punk out mic'd him during their program. I'll still take any Rock at all over what they've been calling superstars since the attitude guys dwindled away. I'd agree too the watering down of the product has a lot to do with the WWE going public. Between that and Vince's wife trying to get into politics they're too afraid to push the envelope like they used to and Cena is the prime example. He's sugar-free vanilla. The glimpses when he reaches back and channels thuganomics Cena or that really great promo he ripped on Rock before Wrestlemania last year are so fucking frustrating.

Thats the most frustrating part for me. I know hes got the talent and creativity to be great, the higher ups would rather him just be marketable to kids. His career wouldve been epic if he started in the mid 90s there.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm ok wiht Cena's gimmick. Adults in the 80s hated Hogan, but the kids loved him. I have nothing but fond memories of the hulkster.

Cena is for the kids. He's the modern day Hogan, and there's nothing wrong with that. When this generation grows up, they will have the same warm feelings about Cena that I have about Hogan.

Adults hated Hogan???? Come on now. Hogan started getting the boos when his gimmick got stale, but he had a solid run from when he beat the Sheik til Wrestlemania 3 where everybody loved the guy. And even after that he follwed it up with a great feud with Savage.

They tried to pass the torch with other guys afterwards too. But look how lame and shitty Hogan looked his last few years before he left. Even then Vince refused to turn the guy heel. Then what happens? He goes to WCW, they shit on him there, they turn him heel and BOOM he blows up again. I just wonder how low ratings and PPV buys have to sink before Vince will turn the guy heel and go back to what works. And if anyone will even care by then.

[NickyL0885]

Adults hated Hogan???? Come on now. Hogan started getting the boos when his gimmick got stale, but he had a solid run from when he beat the Sheik til Wrestlemania 3 where everybody loved the guy. And even after that he follwed it up with a great feud with Savage.

They tried to pass the torch with other guys afterwards too. But look how lame and shitty Hogan looked his last few years before he left. Even then Vince refused to turn the guy heel. Then what happens? He goes to WCW, they shit on him there, they turn him heel and BOOM he blows up again. I just wonder how low ratings and PPV buys have to sink before Vince will turn the guy heel and go back to what works. And if anyone will even care by then.

I really believe b/c there is no competition. TNA is not what WCW was to WWE. I would like to think Triple H may change things. We will see when he is given the keys full time.

[cougarjake13]

I really believe b/c there is no competition. TNA is not what WCW was to WWE. I would like to think Triple H may change things. We will see when he is given the keys full time.


could be a long time from now and even then if they're still public why would trips be any different

[DarkHippie]

I just wonder how low ratings and PPV buys have to sink before Vince will turn the guy heel and go back to what works. And if anyone will even care by then.

Cena will never turn heel unless he leaves the WWE. He is too much of a role model, does too much charity work, etc. He's become something more than just a wrestler.

[styckx]

Cena will never turn heel unless he leaves the WWE. He is too much of a role model, does too much charity work, etc. He's become something more than just a wrestler.

Yep.. He's pretty much a goodwill ambassador at this point. I accepted awhile ago he's going to never change..

[cougarjake13]

I could see him being a face with a heel edge maybe someday but never full heel
unless a hogan 3.0 or cena 2.0 shows up

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For anyone who's got shares of WWE


http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/WWE_Announces_Business_Plan_Potential_Path_to_Sign ificant_Earnings_Growth.html

[Kevin]

It took Hogans HOF induction to change Triple H and the way he did things.

If you look back he went from wanting the belt every moment and killing every star that was a threat to a guy who started helping young guys and putting them over.

he saw the way he was going, being the most hated guy in the industry maybe ever, he will never get the love hogan got.

Maybe Cena will have one of those moments.

[TripleSkeet]

It took Hogans HOF induction to change Triple H and the way he did things.

If you look back he went from wanting the belt every moment and killing every star that was a threat to a guy who started helping young guys and putting them over.

he saw the way he was going, being the most hated guy in the industry maybe ever, he will never get the love hogan got.

Maybe Cena will have one of those moments.

I guess its just me, I just dont think Cena is even close to being as popular as Hogan was. I mean, I compare them because they both do the corny role model, superman gimmick, but in my opinion Hogans popularity is still miles further than Cenas ever been, and Cenas on the downslope now.

Lets not forget for as much as they suck Cenas dick for his "merchandise sales" Hogan is still the number 2 seller all time behind a guy who was the anti-role model.

[Kevin]

I guess its just me, I just dont think Cena is even close to being as popular as Hogan was. I mean, I compare them because they both do the corny role model, superman gimmick, but in my opinion Hogans popularity is still miles further than Cenas ever been, and Cenas on the downslope now.

Lets not forget for as much as they suck Cenas dick for his "merchandise sales" Hogan is still the number 2 seller all time behind a guy who was the anti-role model.

No, I meant maybe Cena will have a moment where he realizes that he will never get the respect or adoration of the fans like someone he see's getting. No matter how much money he makes or how many title he has, he will never be at that level unless he changes his gimmick...

Maybe when HHH goes in, or someone else.


The Rock is already in right?

Austin is in I think also...

[newport king]

There was about a 10yr stretch i stopped watching. From Edge's big run, missed most of Brock, all of Batista, and the first 9 or so Cena titles....how did Hogan going into the HOF change HHH exactly?

[Kevin]

There was about a 10yr stretch i stopped watching. From Edge's big run, missed most of Brock, all of Batista, and the first 9 or so Cena titles....how did Hogan going into the HOF change HHH exactly?

If you remember, before that he held the title all the time and was hated by everyone in the industry that was not a McMahon..

It led to him putting guys over like 5 6 WM in a row. From Benoit to Cena

It happened right after Hogans induction speech and the reaction he got..

[TripleSkeet]

No, I meant maybe Cena will have a moment where he realizes that he will never get the respect or adoration of the fans like someone he see's getting. No matter how much money he makes or how many title he has, he will never be at that level unless he changes his gimmick...

Maybe when HHH goes in, or someone else.


The Rock is already in right?

Austin is in I think also...

Austin is in, The Rock isnt yet. Neither is HHH. I think they want to wait until the guys no longer an active wrestler. Even though its only a few times a year The Rock is considered an active wrestler. HHH and Undertaker are as well.

[conman823]

I'm seeing the Punk/Taker match differently then most:

Obviously Taker is the favorite to win, but its unrealistic at this point. I can't buy a broken down shell of the undertaker can beat CM Punk. So either Punk had to beat the streak or just job out to.the biggest part timer around.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm seeing the Punk/Taker match differently then most:

Obviously Taker is the favorite to win, but its unrealistic at this point. I can't buy a broken down shell of the undertaker can beat CM Punk. So either Punk had to beat the streak or just job out to.the biggest part timer around.

HHH has gone on record 100 times saying Undertakers streak should never be broken. Considering hes in charge I think its a safe bet to say Taker will win. The reason hes facing Punk is because hes at a point where he can put on a show stealing match but only if given an opponent that can help carry him.

[TripleSkeet]

We noted before that WWE had nixed plans to do Sin Cara vs. Rey Mysterio at WrestleMania 29 with the idea of setting a Guinness World Record for most lucha masks in one building.

Word now is that WWE is considering trying to set another world record at WrestleMania 29 - the world's largest Harlem Shake.

Ewwwww

[conman823]

I agree 100% that the streak shouldn't be broken. It also should have ended last year with 20-0.

I will be watching to see what they pull out to cover Takers rust and poor shape.

[NickyL0885]

I can already see Cole saying "Cena's win is like the torch being passed!". Sigh......I remember when they used WM to make stars.

[conman823]

Talk about having no clue where anything is going, we're 5 weeks out from the biggest PPV of the year with really only 2 matches set.

The undercard is nonexistent, and this weeks gimmick RAW is being called a throw away show.

Please someone tell me how much of a genius Vince STILL is.

I thought "he has things planned out a year ahead for WM"? At least that what his ass kissers say all the time.

[newport king]

Cena/Rock
ADR/Swagger (hopefully Ziggler cashes in)
Punk/Taker
HHH/Bork maybe tag with mcmahon and paul e
Shield/Ryback Orton and someone else (id say Sheamus but they started something with him and Barrett
HellNo/RhodesScholars??

This Mania is shaping up like shit. Im going to hate buying tix for this

[TripleSkeet]

Talk about having no clue where anything is going, we're 5 weeks out from the biggest PPV of the year with really only 2 matches set.

The undercard is nonexistent, and this weeks gimmick RAW is being called a throw away show.

Please someone tell me how much of a genius Vince STILL is.

I thought "he has things planned out a year ahead for WM"? At least that what his ass kissers say all the time.

That shit ended when he bought WCW and took over their corporate strategy.

[TripleSkeet]

I can already see Cole saying "Cena's win is like the torch being passed!". Sigh......I remember when they used WM to make stars.

I picture it more being..."Cena has done it! John Cena has overcome the odds, hes put all doubts to rest. Everyone said he couldnt win the big one, and tonight in front of a hostile crowd, on the biggest stage of them all, John Cena has proved everyone wrong to become WWE Champion....again!" Yuck.

[TjM]

What if Cena wins and Ziggler cashes in on Cena?

[cougarjake13]

What if Cena wins and Ziggler cashes in on Cena?



can't

zigglers mitb was for the smack down belt only

[conman823]

I picture it more being..."Cena has done it! John Cena has overcome the odds, hes put all doubts to rest. Everyone said he couldnt win the big one, and tonight in front of a hostile crowd, on the biggest stage of them all, John Cena has proved everyone wrong to become WWE Champion....again!" Yuck.

Can't wait for the RAW after Mania to listen to his 25 min John-o-loug about say your prayers, take your vita.....

Oh wait I mean, never give up, believe in yourself, rise above the hate.

Hopefully he gets booed out of the Barclay center

[cougarjake13]

I picture it more being..."Cena has done it! John Cena has overcome the odds, hes put all doubts to rest. Everyone said he couldnt win the big one, and tonight in front of a hostile crowd, on the biggest stage of them all, John Cena has proved everyone wrong to become WWE Champion....again!" Yuck.



there's really no benefit to either of them winning ( cena rock )

[TripleSkeet]

there's really no benefit to either of them winning ( cena rock )

I get that, I just hate the phonieness of acting like he overcame these unsurmountable odds. Theyve had the guy do just about everything except rip a steel cage open with his bare hands and walk out. Nobody looks at him as some crazy underdog. Ever. And I can already see this coming. You cant treat Superman like hes Rey Mysterio winning the Royal Rumble. Its just silly.

[TripleSkeet]

You have to realize the difference between him and Hogan. While Hogan was given the Superman treatment, his feud with Piper worked because for all that strength he never pinned him. So Piper always had that in his back pocket when they feuded. Same with Andre. Even though Hulkamania was in full bore at that time this was still Andre the Giant. A guy being billed as not losing in 25 years. Everyone was a true underdog to that guy. Cena has neither of those. Yea he hasnt beaten The Rock but hes fought him once. Just about everyone else hes beaten, and beaten handily.

[NickyL0885]

ource: F4WOnline
- There has been an ongoing discussion within WWE about how John Cena will defeat The Rock at WrestleMania 29 in New York City without upsetting a lot of fans. There's a feeling among some that Cena must get the win this time. It's already expected that Cena will be booed out of the building.

Must get the win, to overcome the odds!

[NickyL0885]

But seriously, they know Cena will be booed out of the building. How are they ok with that? You can't just say "well, NY is tough". Fuck that shit.

[brettmojo]

But seriously, they know Cena will be booed out of the building. How are they ok with that? You can't just say "well, NY is tough". Fuck that shit.

Here's what I wish would happen... Just saying...

Epic match at Wrestlemania... They pull out all the stops, classic Rock like the old days and Cena pulling hurricaranas out of his ass and top rope shit getting away from his tired move set... The end of the match is as good as Cena/Punk just was but everyone is cheering as Rock keeps kicking out and booing when Cena does the same... Cena gets fed up and finally pulls some serious heel shit, distracts the ref and lowblows/chair shots/etc heel tactics to pin Rock for the 1..2..3..

If they did that, I'd guarantee they'd cheer the shit out of it.

[DarkHippie]

Here's what I wish would happen... Just saying...

Epic match at Wrestlemania... They pull out all the stops, classic Rock like the old days and Cena pulling hurricaranas out of his ass and top rope shit getting away from his tired move set... The end of the match is as good as Cena/Punk just was but everyone is cheering as Rock keeps kicking out and booing when Cena does the same... Cena gets fed up and finally pulls some serious heel shit, distracts the ref and lowblows/chair shots/etc heel tactics to pin Rock for the 1..2..3..

If they did that, I'd guarantee they'd cheer the shit out of it.

I'm going to WM, and . . . I can't believe that I'm saying this . . . I'm pulling for Cena. I hate the Rock's part time bullshit. He's only here to promote the ton of movies that he's in.

[Kevin]

I'm going to WM, and . . . I can't believe that I'm saying this . . . I'm pulling for Cena. I hate the Rock's part time bullshit. He's only here to promote the ton of movies that he's in.

I'm with you...

He is a phoney and isn't funny enough to warrant it anymore..

But I don't blame him, Id do the same If i found idiots that would pay me millions and get free plugs for my movies to only talk 5 mins every 2 weeks and wrestle for like 20mins getting carried by his opponents 19.30 of those 20mins

[DarkHippie]

I'm with you...

He is a phoney and isn't funny enough to warrant it anymore..

But I don't blame him, Id do the same If i found idiots that would pay me millions and get free plugs for my movies to only talk 5 mins every 2 weeks and wrestle for like 20mins getting carried by his opponents 19.30 of those 20mins

I think that they'll put on a good match, but i am concerned with the rest of the card. There's been very little build up of feuds

[TripleSkeet]

I'm with you...

He is a phoney and isn't funny enough to warrant it anymore..

But I don't blame him, Id do the same If i found idiots that would pay me millions and get free plugs for my movies to only talk 5 mins every 2 weeks and wrestle for like 20mins getting carried by his opponents 19.30 of those 20mins

He pulled in over 1 million viewers more than they had watching Raw before he came back. Over 1 million more a week. How are they idiots? Hes pulled his weight more in 3 months than anyone on that roster has the last 3 years. He puts the asses in the seats. If he wasnt in the WWE right now I wouldnt know what the matches were at Wrestlemania because I wouldnt be watching. Just like I wasnt watching 2 months before he came back and I probably wont watch after he leaves again barring some major changes.

I dont get you guys. The product without him sucked a bag of dicks. Everyone on the roster is boring. Even the guys with talent like Bryan and Punk and Ziggler are fucking boring because they dont use them right. Do you know how fucking bad it has to be for me to just stop watching after Ive tuned in almost every week for 15 years straight???? The last time I stopped was the first PG Era back in 1992 and that was after 8 years of watching it faithfully. This era is even worse.

I mean, besides the part time guys like The Rock, Lesnar, Taker....name what the fuck is so good about WWE that people should keep watching it????

[Dirtbag]

Rock also came back conveniently right after Monday Night Football ended. He helps ratings for sure, but its not all him

[newport king]

Rock/Lesnar/Taker/HHH/SCSA (if he ever did)/Jericho...the reason fans tune in to see these guys vs the current roster is creative simply cant make new stars. Or makes guys "the guy" and theyre just not interesting.

Look at Bryan. Technically speaking their best in ring performer. Every bit as good comedic wise as Kurt Angle. And what do they do? Team him with Kane. (Which like i said before brings out a diff side to Kanes character but makes Bryan somewhat forgettable.)

Zack Ryder. Im not a fan but jesus christ what more can this kid do to get over with the fans?

[DarkHippie]

Look at Bryan. Technically speaking their best in ring performer. Every bit as good comedic wise as Kurt Angle. And what do they do? Team him with Kane. (Which like i said before brings out a diff side to Kanes character but makes Bryan somewhat forgettable.)



As much as I love Daniel Bryan, I'm not sure if he is their best in-ring performer. Not that he isn't amazing (you don't get to be the head trainer at ROH for sucking) but there's Ziggler, Punk, Antonio Cesaro, Cody Rhodes and Damien Sandow too.

And what about poor Tyson Kidd? I've never seen a Tyson Kidd match where I didn't say "Holy shit!" at least once. I was really looking forward to a Kidd/Gabriel tag team to make waves. The WWE is loaded with real wrestling talent right now.

I think that this is why they added the new show, "Main event." It's all matches, no blah blah blah. They showcase that talent on the show.

[Kevin]

He pulled in over 1 million viewers more than they had watching Raw before he came back. Over 1 million more a week. How are they idiots? Hes pulled his weight more in 3 months than anyone on that roster has the last 3 years. He puts the asses in the seats. If he wasnt in the WWE right now I wouldnt know what the matches were at Wrestlemania because I wouldnt be watching. Just like I wasnt watching 2 months before he came back and I probably wont watch after he leaves again barring some major changes.

I dont get you guys. The product without him sucked a bag of dicks. Everyone on the roster is boring. Even the guys with talent like Bryan and Punk and Ziggler are fucking boring because they dont use them right. Do you know how fucking bad it has to be for me to just stop watching after Ive tuned in almost every week for 15 years straight???? The last time I stopped was the first PG Era back in 1992 and that was after 8 years of watching it faithfully. This era is even worse.

I mean, besides the part time guys like The Rock, Lesnar, Taker....name what the fuck is so good about WWE that people should keep watching it????

How does his 5 10 minutes at the end of every raw or other raw make that much difference?


It's more to do with no more MNF and the road to WM than him.

[TripleSkeet]

How does his 5 10 minutes at the end of every raw or other raw make that much difference?


It's more to do with no more MNF and the road to WM than him.

Oh bullshit. Im so tired of those fucking excuses. MNF isnt even the draw it was in the past. They lost that gig to Sunday Night Football. Before The Rock came back Raw was doing the worst ratings since the pre-Attitude Era 1996. Wrestling fans dont just stop watching during football season and come running back when its over. They are back because The Rock is there. Im not gouing to lie, I DVR Raw, and I fast forward through everything that doesnt include Rock, Lesnar or Punk. And Ive been doing that since the first week The Rock came back. Takes me about 25 minutes to watch a 3 hour Raw.

Those 5-10 minute entertain me. I enjoy his promos. It doesnt feel like Im watching a Nickelodeon show when hes on. He curses. He insults. He cuts promos that dont make me cringe. Thats all I ask. The current roster should follow his lead.

The same with Lesnar. He doesnt talk but he brings so much intensity. Hes brutal. Look at how he bled on Monday. That made the segment. It was awesome. It was the wrestling I grew up loving. Im not blaming them, but the current roster either arent allowed or just cant give me what entertains me in wrestling. Great matches are nice, but without a backstory for me to care about the match, I dont care how great the moves are. I need to care about the match. Thats the Tyson Kidd problem. Hes got the greatest matches nobody gives a fuck about because either he cant or they wont allow him to develop a real character instead of a cartoon.

[TripleSkeet]

Youve gotta be fucking kidding me. :wallbash:


After two failed Senate campaigns, GreenwichTime.com reports that Linda McMahon may be running for Congress in 2014. This comes after she gave several thousand dollars to the Connecticut Republican Party last week. She also has a meeting with state GOP chairman Jerry Labriola Jr. next week. The paper reached out to Linda for comment but she declined.

[cougarjake13]

and the shit fest will continue

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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Preview of tonights old school



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1551965-wwe-raw-preview-going-old-school-the-rocktriple-h-wrestlemania-and-more

[newport king]

You know who was an AWESOME wrestler? Lance Storm. You know why Lance Storm flopped? Because hes was as entertaining on the mic as a lamp. Hopefully Tyson Kidd works on his personality while hes rehabbing.

The problem WWE has right now is they dont know how to make guys. They couldnt have fucked up Punks character development any more if they tried to on purpose. Ive gone over the D.Bryan debacle. Zack Ryder was dead in the water and to the kids credit he got himself a HUGE buzz. When was the last time he was on TV?

Ziggler has been the biggest disappointment of all. Christ on a pony, the guy finally cuts great promos. Has all the skill. People compare him to MrPerfect and HBK all the time. You put him with AJ..fine. I actually dont mind. But, BigE? Why??? Not to mention Ziggler is pretty much this generations Barry Horowitz. Because he makes his opponents look like the Ultimate Warrior EVERY week. If he cashes in at Mania, there would be enough "smart" fans there that the place should explode. If he doesnt, im convinced they have no fuckin idea what to do with him.

[DarkHippie]

Ziggler has been the biggest disappointment of all. Christ on a pony, the guy finally cuts great promos. Has all the skill. People compare him to MrPerfect and HBK all the time. You put him with AJ..fine. I actually dont mind. But, BigE? Why??? Not to mention Ziggler is pretty much this generations Barry Horowitz. Because he makes his opponents look like the Ultimate Warrior EVERY week. If he cashes in at Mania, there would be enough "smart" fans there that the place should explode. If he doesnt, im convinced they have no fuckin idea what to do with him.

He'll cash in. They haven't booked him for a match yet, so what else is he gonna do?

[newport king]

He'll cash in. They haven't booked him for a match yet, so what else is he gonna do?


Flop about the ring and put over someone with less talent?

[DarkHippie]

Flop about the ring and put over someone with less talent?

If he doesn't leave WM with gold, I will fucking riot...and by riot, I mean post angry messages on the internet

[newport king]

Just got a text from the undertaker. (By undertaker i mean the wwe mailing list) "i have risen"

[DarkHippie]

Just got a text from the undertaker. (By undertaker i mean the wwe mailing list) "i have risen"

So CM Punk is God and Taker is Jesus? I see many letters in the wwe's future

[styckx]

This show is nearly impossible to fuck up. For the love of god WWE better let me relive my childhood bullshit and derp free.

[newport king]

So what % would u guys say Punk beats Taker? Taker is known to be a standup dude. Doesnt play politics. Probably has a good amount of respect for him. We all know HHH said it should never be broken. If it was it would be up to Taker to do so. Id give it somewhere in the range of 20-30%

[newport king]

Wow just so happens the 3 guys punk is facing also happen to have an ongoing storyline with SHIELD

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cesaro said he speaks 5 languages

Since when is Swiss a language ?

[cougarjake13]

Cesaro said he speaks 5 languages

Since when is Swiss a language ?




since invention ?

[newport king]

I like the refs outfits. They couldve shown a clip of Lord Alfred Hayes or Gorilla Monsoon to start the show

[asayresk]

what happened to sexual chocolate? i thought this was old school raw.

[styckx]

I love that Brooklyn Brawler had a better career going at this stage in his than Zach Ryder currently does

[newport king]

I wish someone would say something to vince and let him know these "comic book characters" he creates dont work. The last one that actually did is 20-0 at Mania. I feel bad for Fannnn....Dannnnn....Gooooooo. Could u imagine wanting to be a WWE superstar your whole life, beating the incredible odds and making it there. And you get stuck with this fuckin abysmal gimmick?

[DarkHippie]

This is terrible

[cougarjake13]

I wish someone would say something to vince and let him know these "comic book characters" he creates dont work. The last one that actually did is 20-0 at Mania. I feel bad for Fannnn....Dannnnn....Gooooooo. Could u imagine wanting to be a WWE superstar your whole life, beating the incredible odds and making it there. And you get stuck with this fuckin abysmal gimmick?



has anyone saddled with a shit gimmick to start ever made it ?

I guess mr ringmaster himself stone cold would be one

[WRESTLINGFAN]

since invention ?



The Swiss have 4 official languages. German French Italian and Romansh

[newport king]

has anyone saddled with a shit gimmick to start ever made it ?

I guess mr ringmaster himself stone cold would be one

Dolph was in the spirit squad. Edge and Christian?...poor Gangrel.

[DarkHippie]

has anyone saddled with a shit gimmick to start ever made it ?

I guess mr ringmaster himself stone cold would be one

rocky miavia

issac yankem

mean mark callous

edge + christian + gangrel

the list goes on

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why are they showing tweets at the bottom of the screen ?


Twitter didn't exist during the old school days

[TripleSkeet]

has anyone saddled with a shit gimmick to start ever made it ?

I guess mr ringmaster himself stone cold would be one

The Ringmaster was just a name though. He still came out looking, talking and wrestling like Stone Cold. I doubt he wouldve gotten over as big if as the Ringmaster he came the the ring with a top hat and cape, pretending to be a circus carny.

Fandango could be better than Lou Thesz in the ring. It doesnt matter. His career is already dead. He should start thinking up a gimmick that involves either a mask or shaving his head because the guy will never be taken seriously now, and he hasnt even had a match yet. Kind of like Tensai, Brodus Clay, Zack Ryder and Santino.

Also, what bumfuck shit town are they in tonight??? I could tell the stands are filled with retards when they cheered for Orton over Punk to fight Taker at Mania, and 5 minutes in tried doing the WHAT chants.

[newport king]

Is MITB the last match Ziggler actually won?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They're in Buffalo

[styckx]

Almost an hour in and absolutely nothing actually old school has happened yet


/I don't count the set dressing and graphics theme

[TripleSkeet]

rocky miavia

issac yankem

mean mark callous

edge + christian + gangrel

the list goes on

Rocky Maivia was definitely one.

Isaac Yankem had to come back wearing a mask.

Mean Mark never wrestled in the WWE under that name.

Edge and Christians Brood gimmick wasnt bad. They had a good amount of fans and like Ringmaster, really didnt have to change their outfits or how they cut a promo.

[Dirtbag]

You could even include Triple H. Even leaving out the WCW Terra Ryzing garbage, the Connecticut Blueblood gimmick was pretty shitty.

[newport king]

The 1-2-3 kid was lame as shit.

I hated Bob Holly but he was Spark E. Plugg

[styckx]

It's a battle of who can pander to the crowd better than the other.