Monday Night RAW Discussion

[TripleSkeet]

Overall I didnt think Raw was bad at all.

The beginning segment was shit, but every segment involving AJ and a microphone will continue to be shit as long as shes GM.

I thought Foley cut the best promo hes had in at least 5 years if not longer. I just hate the fact theyve got these legends in there each week begging Punk to give Cena yet another title shot.

Ziggler and Kofi put on an awesome match. Kingston is just as good in the ring as Dolph, if only the guy could learn how to cut a promo.

The last 20 minutes was garbage, because it was the same old shit regarding Cena. I know its just a promo but Punk was right, he gets title shot after title shot while everybody else gets passed by. People are mad about The Rock coming back in and getting a title shot? How about this clown getting one at PPV after PPV without them letting Punk feud with anyone new? I have no problem with Ryback getting in the picture if it means I wont have to see Cena.

And again, the whole pink getup is fucking gay. I dont care if its for cancer, he looks like a faggot.

I think one reason I enjoyed Raw more was because of JR. I dont know if its because of the way he calls matches, or just an overall management decision, but I noticed during the matches they actually stuck more to putting over the guys wrestling. Not alot of mentioning Cena or Punk or AJ or anything that happened outside of the match. Also during the matches there werent alot of Twitter and Tout plugs. I hope this is how they are going to keep things. Keep that shit for in between matches and use the match time to get some of these guys over.

[newport king]

But how else would we know what our social media ambassador, the mind freak, thinks?

[MIKEYDAKEN]

The only thing that really bugged me about the show last night was the jerry lawler death pictures they kept wheeling out. Also read online that linda got blasted for the attitude era DVD after they pulled all that footage from the Internet and the spokesman said that the DVD would be up to the pg standards of today.

[TripleSkeet]

The only thing that really bugged me about the show last night was the jerry lawler death pictures they kept wheeling out. Also read online that linda got blasted for the attitude era DVD after they pulled all that footage from the Internet and the spokesman said that the DVD would be up to the pg standards of today.

Anyone that buys an Attitude Era DVD thats up to PG standards should be slapped.

[styckx]

Anyone that buys an Attitude Era DVD thats up to PG standards should be slapped.

^ This...

[newport king]

Vince has gotta despise Linda at this point no?

[cougarjake13]

only problem with that is to assume he wants no part of this wwe-pg and only does it for her but he doesn't strike me as the kinda guy to care so that leads me to believe he's all in on supporting her and wwe-pg

[conman823]

Why wouldn't he support his wife's bid to be a Senator? The sheer power that the position would wield would help his company emmensely.

I believe he supports PG to PG13 programing but I think the election is forcing him to go for a PG to G show.

Lets hope her losing will enrage Vince into a full blown return to Attitude Era. Unlikely but I can dream.

[conman823]

RAW last night was good, it was a good enough upswing the last few weeks to keep me from jumping ship totally.

In ring work was strong, and I think all I FFD through was the Divas stuff and Tensai/Show/Clay segment. Way to put three guys in a ring I hate WWE. Also way to bury them with that weak ass Big Slow Fist o'doom.

Also: The Lawler death pics were a little much and definitely now PG

[TripleSkeet]

RAW last night was good, it was a good enough upswing the last few weeks to keep me from jumping ship totally.

In ring work was strong, and I think all I FFD through was the Divas stuff and Tensai/Show/Clay segment. Way to put three guys in a ring I hate WWE. Also way to bury them with that weak ass Big Slow Fist o'doom.

Also: The Lawler death pics were a little much and definitely now PG

I agree with most of this, but I dont think her Senate campaign is the sole reason for the whole PG thing. I really believe alot of it has to do with the WWE going public. Before Vince could do whatever he wanted and if people criticized him for it he told them to kiss his ass. Now hes got stockholders. Sure he owns the majority of the company but weve seen it happen with other companys, they cater to the stockholders. They shy away from bad press. Vince used to LIVE for mainstream press, good or bad.

So between keeping his stockholders happy, Lindas campaign, and trying to get support for his TV Network he wants so bad, he basically changed the way hes doing things even if it hurts him financially. Its alot easier to sell your own network as a "Childrens Product" than it is as a product for men. It seems almost nobody wants to fucking cater to men anymore. Even though when they do (see: Family Guy, UFC, etc.) those shows usually get monster ratings.

[cougarjake13]

Why wouldn't he support his wife's bid to be a Senator? The sheer power that the position would wield would help his company emmensely.

I believe he supports PG to PG13 programing but I think the election is forcing him to go for a PG to G show.

Lets hope her losing will enrage Vince into a full blown return to Attitude Era. Unlikely but I can dream.

we all thought that last time but she ran again so she prob wuld again if she lost

[newport king]

Big Shows King Hippo punch is so lame. I read something before he got hurt that was Wade Barrett's finisher. I guess he's doing a modified version now. Looks much better. And as far as the whole stockholder PG debate, if i was a stockholder id beg for them to return to that. Business was never better.

[conman823]

Wade is using an elbow smash. Almost a version of jake Roberts "short clothesline ". I don't know, it can look devastating or it can look like shit. Either way if he uses that and wasteland as trade offs then it should be good.

I'm always a fan of multiple finishers.

A punch to the face is just a terrible finish no matter how big the fist is.

[cougarjake13]

Wade is using an elbow smash. Almost a version of jake Roberts "short clothesline ". I don't know, it can look devastating or it can look like shit. Either way if he uses that and wasteland as trade offs then it should be good.

I'm always a fan of multiple finishers.

A punch to the face is just a terrible finish no matter how big the fist is.


as a set up to a finisher I'd be fine with it

[RingWraith]

That RAW was... ..... Shit.. And lol @ Ryback getting pushed into main event status.

Ryback is just another lame attempt to recreate another monster wrestler. Been there, done that with Goldberg, Lesnar, and Batista.

Also, Ryback's entrance theme is god awful. Everytime I hear it, I do this..........

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[RingWraith]

And like Ryback, I want to be fed more. I think I'll make a food run. Anyone want anything? I am thinking Taco Bell.

A friend of mine made a good point to me that Ryback's theme would be better suited for a wrestler like Big Vis/Mabel. With a gimmick of him just eating all the time.

[cougarjake13]

A friend of mine made a good point to me that Ryback's theme would be better suited for a wrestler like Big Vis/Mabel. With a gimmick of him just eating all the time.


he'll always be silverback to me

[TjM]

No....just god no

As noted earlier, WWE's recent angles with referees making bad calls are directed at the NFL, whose sub-par replacement referees have caused a nightmare situation for the football organization. RAW General Manager AJ Lee mentioned on this week's RAW that WWE currently does not have an instant replay policy, but they may be introduced soon.

WWE is reportedly considering adding "instant replays" to the mix. The policy would allow for WWE to occasionally use instant replays in a gimmick for high profile matches that end in controversy.

[cougarjake13]

No....just god no



isn't the whole point of a non clean finish to get a heel more heat and have a face lose a match but only cause they got screwed

[TjM]

isn't the whole point of a non clean finish to get a heel more heat and have a face lose a match but only cause they got screwed

Apparently Vince has permanent wood over the NFL replacement ref thing

[cougarjake13]

Apparently Vince has permanent wood over the NFL replacement ref thing


he must

[conman823]

The real question is, should refs ne eating up screen time and taking away from the talent? Somewhere in the back a talented athlete is being told he wont be used for RAW but Referee Scott Armstrong will be on the air for 10 mins being part of a stupid storyline

[cougarjake13]

The real question is, should refs ne eating up screen time and taking away from the talent? Somewhere in the back a talented athlete is being told he wont be used for RAW but Referee Scott Armstrong will be on the air for 10 mins being part of a stupid storyline



well they got 3 hrs to fill now

[conman823]

That's their problem! Why do we have to suffer!?

[cougarjake13]

That's their problem! Why do we have to suffer!?



greed

[newport king]

Watching the replay of RAW, it may be wishful thinking, but ive got no idea when Hell In A Cell is, but is there any chance Cena wont be medically cleared and we could see punk vs foley?

[Kevin]

Watching the replay of RAW, it may be wishful thinking, but ive got no idea when Hell In A Cell is, but is there any chance Cena wont be medically cleared and we could see punk vs foley?

No. Punk vs baby big show...

[newport king]

Flipped on RAW during halftime

I think his character sucks. But Damien Sandow had an awesome match. Of course Irish HHH's offensive repetoire of punchpunchpunch brougue kick had to bury not only Sandow but Cody Rhodes at the same time, but the kid can put on a match.

[NickyL0885]

Flipped on RAW during halftime

I think his character sucks. But Damien Sandow had an awesome match. Of course Irish HHH's offensive repetoire of punchpunchpunch brougue kick had to bury not only Sandow but Cody Rhodes at the same time, but the kid can put on a match.

You're Welcome.

[newport king]

Stepped right into that.

[cougarjake13]

aj looks amazing in her refs uni

[NickyL0885]

aj looks amazing in her refs uni

I knoooooooow. ::fapfapfapfapfap::

[epo]

That Daniel Bryan can grow a freakishly amazing beard.

[cougarjake13]

That Daniel Bryan can grow a freakishly amazing beard.



indeed

wonder how long he'll grow it

[TripleSkeet]

LMAO at Ryback not being able to lift up Tensai for his finisher. So much for the unstoppable powerhouse. Maybe if he didnt do it all retarded like he was going to perfectplex him first. God he looked ridiculous.

[cougarjake13]

LMAO at Ryback not being able to lift up Tensai for his finisher. So much for the unstoppable powerhouse. Maybe if he didnt do it all retarded like he was going to perfectplex him first. God he looked ridiculous.



that was awesome


i almost wished he tried again so we culd see him fail again


but i bet u theyve done it at house shows and he completed the move only to choke in the bright lights

[conman823]

LMAO at Ryback not being able to lift up Tensai for his finisher. So much for the unstoppable powerhouse. Maybe if he didnt do it all retarded like he was going to perfectplex him first. God he looked ridiculous.

I actually felt bad for both. It was so cringy.

[Dirtbag]

that was awesome


i almost wished he tried again so we culd see him fail again


but i bet u theyve done it at house shows and he completed the move only to choke in the bright lights



They did it just fine on Smackdown last week. The argument now is whether or not Tensai sandbagged him so he'd look like a dick.

[styckx]

Sure looks like he sandbagged to me.. Awesome..

[RingWraith]

Sure looks like he sandbagged to me.. Awesome..

Looking back, it does look like Tensai did sandbagged him.

[cougarjake13]

Looking back, it does look like Tensai did sandbagged him.



why wuld he do it thou ?

unless ryback did something dickish over the last week

[Dirtbag]

Other than Bob Holly, I'd think Tensai would be the last guy to sandbag really. Lesnar almost killed both those guys 10 years ago.

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[cougarjake13]

Brock seriously has to have the most near paralyzing an opponent fuck ups then anyone in history

[TripleSkeet]

Brock seriously has to have the most near paralyzing an opponent fuck ups then anyone in history

Including himself.

[Dirtbag]

Brock seriously has to have the most near paralyzing an opponent fuck ups then anyone in history

The Holly one for sure was Holly's fault. He thought he'd give the "new guy" a hard time and not help him out with the powerbomb spot. Unfortunately for him, Brock doesn't really need his help and it lead to him being dropped on his head because he didn't want to go all the way up.

[cougarjake13]

Including himself.


yeh that match with angle

I was like what the fuck is this guy doing

[TripleSkeet]

yeh that match with angle

I was like what the fuck is this guy doing

I saw him do it in OVW, its amazing when done right. The ropes at Mania werent loose enough to do it right.

[Dirtbag]

I saw him do it in OVW, its amazing when done right. The ropes at Mania werent loose enough to do it right.

Kurt was also 3/4 of the way across the ring. The ring in OWV was a lot smaller than a WWE ring.

[cougarjake13]

Kurt was also 3/4 of the way across the ring. The ring in OWV was a lot smaller than a WWE ring.



but was the risk worth the reward to have a big guy try that move ?

[conman823]

but was the risk worth the reward to have a big guy try that move ?

Had he pulled it off it would be one of the most replayed clips in WWE like the Mankind Cage fall.

Unfortunately it's Botchamania

[Dirtbag]

but was the risk worth the reward to have a big guy try that move ?

Well its not like someone just came up with the idea for Brock to try it out of thin air. He'd done it numerous times in OVW successfully. The ropes, the distance, and having been in the ring with Kurt Angle for 20 minutes led to a shitstorm.

[cougarjake13]

Well its not like someone just came up with the idea for Brock to try it out of thin air. He'd done it numerous times in OVW successfully. The ropes, the distance, and having been in the ring with Kurt Angle for 20 minutes led to a shitstorm.


ahh at least he practiced it so to speak before so he basically just fucked it up

[TripleSkeet]

ahh at least he practiced it so to speak before so he basically just fucked it up

Imagine this capping off the main event of Wrestlemania...

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[TripleSkeet]

Holy shit, sometimes I forget how far Raw has fallen. Tonight I watched the Raw from 2 weeks before the best Survivor Series ever (1998). Besides a pretty good show overall, heres how they ended the show.

They lower a steel cage around the ring. McMahon orders Bossman, Patterson, Brisco and Sgt. Slaughter into the cage to make sure its escape proof. Once the door closes Bossman starts beating the other 3 up as punishment for not helping McMahon 2 weeks earlier.

As they are getting beat up Stone Cold comes down, climbs over the cage and starts beating up Bossman before the other 3 turn on him. Now hes getting beat up and Shane McMahon runs out, opens the cage and stops Bossman. Bossman leaves the cage. Shane gives Vince the finger then leaves the cage. Undertakers music hits. Him and Paul Bearer come out, he gets in the ring, and Taker and Austin start going at it. Lights go out. Kane comes out. He gets in the cage, does his hands up hands down routine and the cage bursts into flames. Raw then goes off the air with Kane, Austin and Taker fighting it out in a steel cage thats on fire.

Then I think of this past weeks Raw and all I can do is shake my head and be thankful I got to experience that era of wrestling live. Holy shit it has dropped so far.

[RingWraith]

Holy shit, sometimes I forget how far Raw has fallen. Tonight I watched the Raw from 2 weeks before the best Survivor Series ever (1998). Besides a pretty good show overall, heres how they ended the show.

They lower a steel cage around the ring. McMahon orders Bossman, Patterson, Brisco and Sgt. Slaughter into the cage to make sure its escape proof. Once the door closes Bossman starts beating the other 3 up as punishment for not helping McMahon 2 weeks earlier.

As they are getting beat up Stone Cold comes down, climbs over the cage and starts beating up Bossman before the other 3 turn on him. Now hes getting beat up and Shane McMahon runs out, opens the cage and stops Bossman. Bossman leaves the cage. Shane gives Vince the finger then leaves the cage. Undertakers music hits. Him and Paul Bearer come out, he gets in the ring, and Taker and Austin start going at it. Lights go out. Kane comes out. He gets in the cage, does his hands up hands down routine and the cage bursts into flames. Raw then goes off the air with Kane, Austin and Taker fighting it out in a steel cage thats on fire.

Then I think of this past weeks Raw and all I can do is shake my head and be thankful I got to experience that era of wrestling live. Holy shit it has dropped so far.

Wrestling in the late 90's and even the early 00's were the best time to be a wrestling fan. We were very spoiled. Hell, even an average Raw show back then is still waaaay better than it is now. And you know what, I even miss Nitro. :down:

[cougarjake13]

and looks like there's no chance of it ever changing

[Melk]

Wrestling in the late 90's and even the early 00's were the best time to be a wrestling fan. We were very spoiled. Hell, even an average Raw show back then is still waaaay better than it is now. And you know what, I even miss Nitro. :down:

You should miss Nitro. It was the show that provoked the WWE to consider the benefits of matches and giving away good angles on TV.

[conman823]

Nitro was better than RAW at points! And that's really sad to say because any RAW is WAR back then was heads and tales above what RAW is today.

Nitro forced Vince to create an interesting product that the fans wanted to see.

During the "Wars" I was a complete NWO/WCW guy. Nitro was actually a well balanced 3 hour show, they had the best mid card matches of ANY period of Monday Night wrestling.

[newport king]

La Parka was the shit

[Kevin]

La Parka was the shit



The chairman!

[cougarjake13]

La Parka was the shit



wasn't watching back then so I don't know what this means


boo for me

[conman823]

La Parka was the shit

The fucking guy was completely over with the fans by standing on a chair and poorly dancing.

He got a bigger pop then half the current WWE roster combined.

[newport king]

I liked when they dubbed him in english and they guy would talk shit on la parkas opponent. He wasnt a great luchador. He was more personality...as much personality as you can have without speaking english and wearing a mask

[TripleSkeet]

WCW was great at times, but they fell victim to 2 huge problems. conman is right about them having a well put together show, the problem is they would never push these guys above their pay grade. Therefore you would just have rotating angles with guys like Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, Jericho, Saturn, Mortis, Mysterio, Psychosis, etc. If they had interchanged those guys in and out of their main event scene along with their regular main eventers they couldve had years of more compelling wrestling.

Their 2nd big blunder came after they got huge, and its the same mistake WWE is making today. Its pretty much what doomed them. Running WCW like a corporation instead of a wrestling company. Fully scripted promos, not airing anything that wouldnt be fit for a 6 year old, giving away matches and surprises as a way to try to steal a quick ratings boost, political correctness.

Theres no room for that kind of thing in wrestling. The corporate world and the wrestling world dont mix unless its strictly financing and they have zero input into the product. Their whole basis of whats good business are exact opposites. In the corporate business world, the last thing you want are customersw that are offended. Complaints about things said or done by their employees. In the wrestling world, thats supposed to be the exact response you want. Youre supposed to want your heel wrestlers to offend as many people as possible so they will want to watch them get beat the fuck up. Its almost funny seeing WWE following all the moves that helped sink WCW and watch their ratings drop the same way. Its like they refuse to learn from history.

[NickyL0885]

WCW was great at times, but they fell victim to 2 huge problems. conman is right about them having a well put together show, the problem is they would never push these guys above their pay grade. Therefore you would just have rotating angles with guys like Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, Jericho, Saturn, Mortis, Mysterio, Psychosis, etc. If they had interchanged those guys in and out of their main event scene along with their regular main eventers they couldve had years of more compelling wrestling.

Their 2nd big blunder came after they got huge, and its the same mistake WWE is making today. Its pretty much what doomed them. Running WCW like a corporation instead of a wrestling company. Fully scripted promos, not airing anything that wouldnt be fit for a 6 year old, giving away matches and surprises as a way to try to steal a quick ratings boost, political correctness.

Theres no room for that kind of thing in wrestling. The corporate world and the wrestling world dont mix unless its strictly financing and they have zero input into the product. Their whole basis of whats good business are exact opposites. In the corporate business world, the last thing you want are customersw that are offended. Complaints about things said or done by their employees. In the wrestling world, thats supposed to be the exact response you want. Youre supposed to want your heel wrestlers to offend as many people as possible so they will want to watch them get beat the fuck up. Its almost funny seeing WWE following all the moves that helped sink WCW and watch their ratings drop the same way. Its like they refuse to learn from history.

Then I guess this begs the question: Do you see WWE shutting down like WCW one day? Or do you think, since they're really the only game in town(TNA blows), they can survive. I like to think HHH will run things better.

[conman823]

I will never delude myself as far as why WCW failed. There's been more internets and pages devoted to that then anything else in wrestling.

Looking back is great because I can forget the bad and remember the good.

WWE will not die anytime soon. They might implode at some long point years from now but nothing in the say next 10 years would bring it down.

I also believe that there will eventually be a return to more adult oriented programming down the road. Never another full blown Attitude Era, but more of a ruthless aggression era.

Triple H and Steph will put there own spin on things im sure but not until Vince is taking his dirt nap.

[Sue_Bender]

I will never delude myself as far as why WCW failed. There's been more internets and pages devoted to that then anything else in wrestling.

Looking back is great because I can forget the bad and remember the good.

WWE will not die anytime soon. They might implode at some long point years from now but nothing in the say next 10 years would bring it down.

I also believe that there will eventually be a return to more adult oriented programming down the road. Never another full blown Attitude Era, but more of a ruthless aggression era.

Triple H and Steph will put there own spin on things im sure but not until Vince is taking his dirt nap.

Not until they're a Private Company again.

[TripleSkeet]

Then I guess this begs the question: Do you see WWE shutting down like WCW one day? Or do you think, since they're really the only game in town(TNA blows), they can survive. I like to think HHH will run things better.

Nooooo. They are too well built as a brand. WCW wasnt its own entity, it was a part of Turner Broadcasting and then a part of Time Warner. When it turned a profit, it was worth keeping it around, once it started losing money they cut it lose because the guys in charge of making that decision never really gave a fuck about it to begin with. WCW wouldve been dead alot sooner if it didnt hold a special place in Ted Turners heart. Once he didnt have that control anymore, all it had to do was turn in a loss and they didnt hesitate to pull the plug.

Look at how cheaply they sold their entire tape library to Vince for. They had no idea and didnt give a fuck how valuable that was. It was wrestling and that was too low brow for their TV networks, so they sold it off for peanuts.

[TripleSkeet]

Not until they're a Private Company again.

That, in my opinion, would be the best thing that ever happened to wrestling.

[conman823]

Also there will be an uptick of action once Linda's failed senate bid ends.

[conman823]

Vince McMahon will be on RAW tonight to give a speech and try to boost the horrible ratings they've had in the last 2 weeks. Also, we can't allow Cena to be off TV too long so we gotta bring him back to have another tired repetitive John-o-loug about rising above blah blah blah.

I think ratings are dropping on both WWE and TNA because of boredom in the world of wrestling in general. I mean when was the last time someone someplace did something original and creative? God I don't want the nWo or goddamn ECW version 54, I want something NEW and CREATIVE.

[styckx]

Wow.. So the "State Of The WWE" speech was just a shitty ruse to further attempt to try to make Punk heel..

I hate WWE.. They seriously try too fucking hard.. This is so stupidly boring

[cougarjake13]

yeh like we didn't see this coming

[NickyL0885]

My god! Mr. McMahon vs CM Punk! It's gonna be a slobber knocker!

[cougarjake13]

surprised it wasn't trips instead of vince

[styckx]

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[newport king]

Couple of things...

I liked Cenas character against the Rock. This is just annoying.
Good punk/mcmahon promo
Kaitlyn is hot and freakishly strong
Layla couldnt fuckin get over if she was wrestling Hitler in Israel. The girl is a fuckin bore and has zero personality.
While i think D.Bryan is too talented to be in this silly angle, its fun, and the comedic side of Kane is very enjoyable
Glad Vince has kept up the steroid use well into his 60s.
It was actually a good fight, but man way to make your champ look like a giant puss.
This Ryback shit is too much too soon.
Im starting to think this is the direction they went in bc maybe Cena wont be medically cleared by Hell In A Cell

[conman823]

Yay Punk beat up a fan in the stands!

Vince looked shocked can't wait to get more info on this

[NickyL0885]

Yay Punk beat up a fan in the stands!

Vince looked shocked can't wait to get more info on this

Can't the WWE claim the whole "you know the risks when you buy the ticket" line that other sports claim? Like, you can't sue an MLB team if a foul ball knocks you out.

[Kevin]

Can't the WWE claim the whole "you know the risks when you buy the ticket" line that other sports claim? Like, you can't sue an MLB team if a foul ball knocks you out.

Its probably a work....

[conman823]

I don't think it was a work because there was no security in the area and the guy looked legit stunned during the ending and so do Vince.

You can claim you bought a ticket if let's say you got in the way of a spot going over the railing but to be mixed with the crowd and just punching someone in the face eh.

If it wasn't a work he'd probably just claim he was afraid for his life and nobody should be touching the performers regardless.

[NickyL0885]

I don't think it was a work because there was no security in the area and the guy looked legit stunned during the ending and so do Vince.

You can claim you bought a ticket if let's say you got in the way of a spot going over the railing but to be mixed with the crowd and just punching someone in the face eh.

If it wasn't a work he'd probably just claim he was afraid for his life and nobody should be touching the performers regardless.

Fans who were there say someone slapped Punk in the back of the head hard, hence why he reacted.

[newport king]

Completely missed it

[cougarjake13]

I thought someone tried to grab punks belt and that's how he reacted

[newport king]

Looks like he pushed a kid away that was grabbing it. Then a few secs later someone pushes him, he turns around, and then a guy slaps the back of his head. He then throws a bow at the wrong guy. Just bad. Especially when i think vince was shooting when he said "im not a cm punk guy"

[cougarjake13]

for not being a cm punk guy he sure has let him hold the strap a long long time


has cena even held it this long ?

off hand I don't think so

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Also last night they told everyone backstage about the raw head writer being replaced. I guess between ratings in the shitter and some wrestlers complaing Vince was all blood and thunder last night.

[cougarjake13]

changing writers won't matter if they're still limited in what they can do and write

[TripleSkeet]

for not being a cm punk guy he sure has let him hold the strap a long long time


has cena even held it this long ?

off hand I don't think so

It doesnt matter. Champ for a year yet main evented what? 2 PPVs? Its funny because even though its a work, everything Cenas been saying in his promos are true. Punks the champ yet for most of the time hes fighting in the middle of the card. Meanwhile Cena gets a main event spot against John Laurenaitis of all people.

[conman823]

What Cena said was true and what Punk said last year during the "pipe bomb" speech was true also.

Also it seemed Cena and Vince were running down a lot of guys last night. I think it's great if Vince is finally waking up and hopefully getting control of the failing product

[cougarjake13]

It doesnt matter. Champ for a year yet main evented what? 2 PPVs? Its funny because even though its a work, everything Cenas been saying in his promos are true. Punks the champ yet for most of the time hes fighting in the middle of the card. Meanwhile Cena gets a main event spot against John Laurenaitis of all people.



but still why have him have it regardless of where his spot is in lineup

[newport king]

Because maybe they recognize the talent but are afraid to make him the face of the product. I also think theres some professional admiration from Cena. Maybe he said give him the strap so long as he held his "spot"

Funny, i just got done watching the Punk documentary. And having not watched for a few years i missed his world title reigns, he basically bitched about the same thing theyre doing now. He'll always be Savage to Cenas Hogan

[cougarjake13]

Funny, i just got done watching the Punk documentary. And having not watched for a few years i missed his world title reigns, he basically bitched about the same thing theyre doing now. He'll always be Savage to Cenas Hogan


truer words have nvr been spoken

[conman823]

Punk is the work horse champion like Savage was, and Hart was.

I also hate this angel because its all these legends telling Punk he isn't shit if he doesn't face Cena at HIAC but Punk is 100% right in saying Cena had 2 other shots and didn't get the job done.

[cougarjake13]

what's sad is besides cena I don't remember any one else he's feuded with while holding title besides jericho

[TripleSkeet]

Its not his fault though. The guys got the talent to carry the company, Vince just has no faith in him. He couldve had an epic feud with Bryan, but they ruined it by throwing all that AJ bullshit in there. The same thing for his feud with Jericho when they had to add alcoholism to the mix. Theyve got a champ that can put on some incredible matches, but they keep ruining them with these hokey storylines.

Not to mention they just wont stop shoving Cena down our fucking throats. The guy has 1 arm, give him a couple of months off to heal. Vince really believes if Cena stops showing up on TV the WWE will collapse. Its fucking retarded.

[conman823]

I would like to take this time to emphasize the GOOD things I've seen in recent weeks:

Cole is a face commentator again
JBL
JR
Tag Team Torny

Wow my list consisted of all commentary pros. Vince better start cracking heads.

[Dirtbag]

Not to mention they just wont stop shoving Cena down our fucking throats. The guy has 1 arm, give him a couple of months off to heal. Vince really believes if Cena stops showing up on TV the WWE will collapse. Its fucking retarded.

Last week when Cena wasn't on the ratings were the lowest they've been in 15 years. I'm sure football had far more to do with that than Cena, but I'm sure Vince doesn't care.

[Kevin]

Last week when Cena wasn't on the ratings were the lowest they've been in 15 years. I'm sure football had far more to do with that than Cena, but I'm sure Vince doesn't care.

Football MLB playoffs...

[NickyL0885]

I wonder who it was.

Source: PWInsider

As we have noted, Vince McMahon was upset at last night's RAW and told the writers that he needs results now or he needs resignations. The scene was described as frightening in terms of Vince's tone and demeanor. Besides pressure from NBC Universal to fix the ratings, it's said that last week's 2.5 rating was a big slap in the face to Vince after a number of top talents voiced their concern to him.

A number of top talents have reportedly gone to Vince in recent weeks to complain about how the writing is bad and change is needed. At last week's RAW, Vince was in a bad mood after having a back-and-forth with one of the top talents in front of other people.

We have not been able to confirm who the top talent was but they basically told Vince in front of other people that the WWE writing sucks, that Vince is doing whatever he wants and that WWE is going off a cliff without anything being done about it. The talent then told Vince that he needs to listen to everyone else because he doesn't have his finger on WWE's pulse anymore, basically telling Vince that he's out of touch. The talent told Vince that when WWE goes to "hell in a handbasket" then it will be all Vince's fault.

Apparently several other people got through to Vince during the week and these factors played a big part in the changes made at RAW last night. As noted, expect to hear about more changes in the next few weeks.

Read more: http://www.WrestlingInc.com/wi/news/2012/1009/556999/vince-mcmahon/#ixzz28xQAMcFg

[TripleSkeet]

I wonder who it was.

Gotta be Punk. I dont see Cena doing that as changing direction would mean a lower spot for him. I also dont know anyone else in a position to say something like that to Vince.

[NickyL0885]

Gotta be Punk. I dont see Cena doing that as changing direction would mean a lower spot for him. I also dont know anyone else in a position to say something like that to Vince.

Idk. Cena has no problem speaking to management about things. He was pissed when WWE.com ran that he'd be out only a few weeks, when obviously that wasn't the case. He ranted on twitter about it at the time. Otherwise, Punk is the obvious guy.

[Kevin]

Gotta be Punk. I dont see Cena doing that as changing direction would mean a lower spot for him. I also dont know anyone else in a position to say something like that to Vince.

You just don't give Cena enough credit for being a good guy and doing whats ever needed for the company.

If he felt that this was needed, he would do it.

[TripleSkeet]

You just don't give Cena enough credit for being a good guy and doing whats ever needed for the company.

If he felt that this was needed, he would do it.

You must not read my posts. Ive said several times Cena is probably the most stand up guy in the company. Its his gimmick I hate. Which is funny because I like Punks gimmick but get the vibe hes a jerkoff in real life. What sealed my respect for Cena was when this kid I grew up with died a couple years back. His name was Michael Verdi. He wrestled in the indies under the name Trent Acid. He wasnt anything big, I think CZW was as big as he ever got, but when he died they had a benefit show for his family at ECW arena and Cena donated a gold watch that spun for the auction. He was WWE Champ at the time and he took the time to donate a watch to a benefit for some small time indy wrestler. The guy is all class no doubt.

While I agree he would want to help the company, I just doubt he would be willing to take away his own exposure even if thats what would help the company. I dont know, I just dont see Cena having a blowout with Vince in front of people. He seems more the kind of guy that would air his grievances behind closed doors, which I honestly feel is the right way to do it anyway.

[NickyL0885]

I don't care who said it. If the report is accurate, it was needed. Perhaps it was the kick in the ass Vince needed.

[Dirtbag]

I would guess that the Undertaker would be the only one with the combination of seniority, respect, and balls to get in Vince's face, but there's no reason for him to have even been at a meaningless raw in awful Sacramento. That basically leaves Cena, Punk, and maybe Orton, and Orton is on thin ice with his wellness policy violations.

[NickyL0885]

I would guess that the Undertaker would be the only one with the combination of seniority, respect, and balls to get in Vince's face, but there's no reason for him to have even been at a meaningless raw in awful Sacramento. That basically leaves Cena, Punk, and maybe Orton, and Orton is on thin ice with his wellness policy violations.

Sheamus? Big Show? Little Jimmy?

[cougarjake13]

it's really down to cena or punk

no one lose on roster has the pull or security

[styckx]

Probably Hornswaggle. The guy is the glue that holds the locker room together.. He is now filling the shoes Undertaker left behind.. He has proved himself a valued legend in the industry and now passing his knowledge down to the young bucks!

[cougarjake13]

Probably Hornswaggle. The guy is the glue that holds the locker room together.. He is now filling the shoes Undertaker left behind.. He has proved himself a valued legend in the industry and now passing his knowledge down to the young bucks!



idk lil jimmy is nipping at his heels

[conman823]

So apparently the fans chose Ryback over Cena on the twitter pole for who should face Punk at HIAC.

So maybe it's time to give Cena a break.

[cougarjake13]

So apparently the fans chose Ryback over Cena on the twitter pole for who should face Punk at HIAC.

So maybe it's time to give Cena a break.


somehow I don't believe it

[styckx]

Ryback is seriously awful.. My stomach churns on how bad they are forcing him on us.. Fucking Cena had to cut a promo for him to get him over... *smh*

and LOL @ Miz for actually taking a real bump for the first time in his career.. Poor baby got kicked in the head and felt pain for once..

[conman823]

Ryback is over with the fans already, Cena just gave him a rub to get his fans behind him going into HIAC. I think the story of Punk having to beat Ryback in a cage with no options for DQ or count outs is better than seeing him fight Cena for the millionth time.

Miz fuckin got knocked into next Wednesday.

Overall RAW gets an "A" for effort but its apparent they still can't get a mid card going.
The logic of some of the matches baffles me to the point of exhaustion.

Take Miz/Kofi tonight, so Wednesday is the title match but they fought tonight and Kofi went over clean but it was no title so tune in 2 days from now and see the same thing again? Huh?

[cougarjake13]

David deihl and a buncha jobbers does not qualify as the Super Bowl champions

[newport king]

Thought about going to this show. Glad i didnt

[cougarjake13]

looked shitty

[newport king]

I thought jersey was better than "feed me more" chants...how embarassing.

[TripleSkeet]

Finally got around to watching it. What a horrendously shitty show. The crowd sucked a dick from beginning to end.

Cena comes out there to give Ryback a public ball licking and doesnt even get booed.

Then they finally get rid of AJ, and replace her with another female that doesnt deserve more than 5 minutes of TV time a show. More females talking all night. Something that if I wanted to see, I wouldnt watch wrestling for it. And to top it off they make this ridiculous "fraternizing with employees" angle with Cena. YECH.

I thought they fired their head of creative. Obviously he wasnt the problem.

I so want to stop watching. But they got me with The Rock coming back in January. If it wasnt for him Id fucking tap out.

[Kevin]

I thought jersey was better than "feed me more" chants...how embarassing.

I'm convinced those chants are piped in...

[cougarjake13]

I'm convinced those chants are piped in...



definitely sounds enhanced

[newport king]

Rewatched with the kid yesterday, noticed a few things. Cena got booed heavily when he came out. They didnt show Zigglers entrace (probably bc he was cheered) and tge cut Punks entrance short as well....overall a shit show but Ziggler/Bryan match was Mania worthy.

[styckx]

This is such a reminder how different the Attitude Era talent was.

One of the best promos of the year and it's just some off the cuff pre-show rant. Love heel JBL.. One of the best heat magnets ever.

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[RingWraith]

I thought jersey was better than "feed me more" chants...how embarassing.

Agreed! Very embarrassing.

[RingWraith]

I'm convinced those chants are piped in...

You're probably right. I'm having a hard time believing the majority of the fans are actually cheering for this cheap version of Goldberg.

[conman823]

I will be interested in the outcome of the WWE Title match tonight. Obviously they are pushing Ryback as a new monster face to main event. Even though they have some work ahead of them as far as getting him totally over I think he's got more.potential then Tensai did.
WWE needs new blood and Ryback may be it.

His jobber streak not withstanding, there really is no damage to his character if he loses clean to Punk. I'm just hoping for an entertaining match with minimal Cena interference.

[brettmojo]

I will be interested in the outcome of the WWE Title match tonight. Obviously they are pushing Ryback as a new monster face to main event. Even though they have some work ahead of them as far as getting him totally over I think he's got more.potential then Tensai did.
WWE needs new blood and Ryback may be it.

His jobber streak not withstanding, there really is no damage to his character if he loses clean to Punk. I'm just hoping for an entertaining match with minimal Cena interference.

Goldberg run-in. Maybe not even touch him, but distract him so Punk gets the win. Goldberg not wanting his streak touched. Ryback vs. Goldberg at the next ppv or whenever.

[cougarjake13]

is Goldberg even still wrestlng ?

[cougarjake13]

I just hope it's not some dumb double count out shit where they beat the fuck outta each other for half an hour and no one gets up for the 10 count

[brettmojo]

is Goldberg even still wrestlng ?

When has that ever stopped a wrestler from wrestling?

[cougarjake13]

When has that ever stopped a wrestler from wrestling?



it hasn't

but it's been like 10 yrs since I remember him being in the ring
and I thought he hated the wwe

[newport king]

Goldberg appearance would make too much sense

[Kevin]

As much as the King thing sucked....

And survived


JBL has been just awesome.

Easily the best in the game.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

how does the champ come out before some future jobber fuck i hope punk quits soon.

[Kevin]

Is SS a Lesnar PPV?

If so Brock is interfering..

[Kevin]

That was totally gay.

And Rybak was wayyyy too calm after getting fucked out of the title.

He showed more emotion during a ring walk!

[cougarjake13]

That was totally gay.

And Rybak was wayyyy too calm after getting fucked out of the title.

He showed more emotion during a ring walk!




I didn't watch the ppv

what happened ?

[Kevin]

I didn't watch the ppv

what happened ?

He had Punk on that awful move and a young bishoff looking ref punched him in the balls then did a fast count.

[cougarjake13]

He had Punk on that awful move and a young bishoff looking ref punched him in the balls then did a fast count.



yeh he's the one they had "screw" punk over in a match when his foot was on ropes and they did a nfl horrible ref call thing

[styckx]

I never been so happy to miss a PPV then I was when I just read the results.. Sounds like a dog shit PPV

Big Show Champ.. Ugh.. Sheamus sucks, and so does Big Show.. That's like taking shit from one toilet and putting it in another and expecting it to be something other than shit.

And seriously.. Not only was the main event a shitty ref swerve, but it was a ref turns heel swerve? Patented Russo move..

[cougarjake13]

no dolph trying to cash in ?

[conman823]

That finish was awful. Heyman was brilliant as usual and I thought Punk played his role well but wasn't "into" the match. I thought they should have done more "wrestling" but it's a HIAC so whatever.

I had the opportunity to watch it at a buddy place with a few hardcore fans. It was great to yell and complain about the crap in real time with other people who feel the same we do about the product.

Then after the PPV we popped in the Foley Taker 1998 HIAC. Some friends never saw it as they aren't really fans of wrestling. Always a good watch but most importantly we all agreed that era is dead and shouldn't come back. We just want good ring work and story lines that are more interesting then what put there now.

[Dirtbag]

Shaemus vs Big Show was actually really good.

[cougarjake13]

now would be a good time for sheamus to brogue kick show and dolph cashes in

[Kevin]

Something about AJ.

Sure she is too skinny, and I like my women with more curves.

But Id knock the bottom out.

She just does it for me

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Damn punk got the job squad.

[Kevin]

Damn punk got the job squad.

Yea what a fucking terrible team.

you couldn't get dolph?

He is prob going against Cena.

[brettmojo]

Something about AJ.

Sure she is too skinny, and I like my women with more curves.

But Id knock the bottom out.

She just does it for me
x2.

[cougarjake13]

Something about AJ.

Sure she is too skinny, and I like my women with more curves.

But Id knock the bottom out.

She just does it for me



I've been thinking the same

[NickyL0885]

I love that Cena just poked fun at the fact that he has a limited move set.

[Kevin]

I love that Cena just poked fun at the fact that he has a limited move set.

I like Cena.

I just wish his gimmick didn't suck so much.

[cougarjake13]

I love that Cena just poked fun at the fact that he has a limited move set.

that and he finally brought up the Vickie stuff


of her and edge and dolph

[NickyL0885]

From what I can gather, Vince was pissed about the crowd at HIAC. So, putting Cena in the title match is probably his panic move. Also, for buy rates. Sigh......Cena is never ever going to be allowed to leave WWE. They'll trot him out there when he's dead, b/c they have no faith in anyone else.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

So it's now team Orton vs team ziggler I wish Vince would retire already and let his kids burn the place down

[cougarjake13]

So it's now team Orton vs team ziggler I wish Vince would retire already and let his kids burn the place down



never understood why punk was leading the team in first place

[Kevin]

Rybaks facial expressions are comic gold.

Its over acting at its best.

[RingWraith]

Rybaks facial expressions are comic gold.

Its over acting at its best.

Pretty much

[cougarjake13]

esp the gay ass teeth growl

[TripleSkeet]

Linda lost. LMAO $100 million down the drain.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

There's always next time

[NickyL0885]

Linda lost. LMAO $100 million down the drain.

If she runs again, I'll laugh. I don't think "3rd times the charm" applies in politics.

[NickyL0885]

Remember that story I linked about someone confronting Vince about the shitty product? It was Cena.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1397702-wwe-wrestler-who-had-backstage-wrangle-with-vince-mcmahon-revealed

[Kevin]

Remember that story I linked about someone confronting Vince about the shitty product? It was Cena.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1397702-wwe-wrestler-who-had-backstage-wrangle-with-vince-mcmahon-revealed

Figured all this time it would be.

[NickyL0885]

Figured all this time it would be.

Maybe being in this shit storyline with AJ and the "affair" is his punishment. Then again, he's in the title match at SS. I do feel bad for Cena. He seems like a great guy, and he actually gives a shit. But his gimmick is so tiring, and that what the fans hate.

[TripleSkeet]

Maybe being in this shit storyline with AJ and the "affair" is his punishment. Then again, he's in the title match at SS. I do feel bad for Cena. He seems like a great guy, and he actually gives a shit. But his gimmick is so tiring, and that what the fans hate.

Ive been saying that forever. The guy seems like a genuine class act with a passion for the business. Hes just straddled with a shitty new age Hogan gimmick. I loved him when he did the whole Dr. of Thuganomics act.

[Kevin]

Look at how sad Vince looks after all his money was wasted (http://deadspin.com/5958626/linda-mcmahons-failed-senate-campaign-left-husband-vince-a-sad-sad-man)


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Kevin]

How much of Vince's money did she waste on campaigns she had no shot in?

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[NickyL0885]

Look at how sad Vince looks after all his money was wasted (http://deadspin.com/5958626/linda-mcmahons-failed-senate-campaign-left-husband-vince-a-sad-sad-man)


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Millions of dollars! Millions of dollars! Millions of dollars!

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/community/image.php?u=11883&type=sigpic&dateline=1346253729

[NickyL0885]

Damn, I was beat to it.

http://scotthammell.com/pictures/fuuuu-rage-meme-i3.png

[styckx]

So glad she lost.. She pulled out some dirty bullshit tricks at the last minute to trick voters.

You know.. McMahon the Republican against Obama..

Magically turned Independent and pro black guy..

http://i.imgur.com/kpylk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kts5b.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/byvYA.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Best comment


kevinnashsquad

21 hours ago
When asked what happened, Vince replied "Linda screwed Linda."

[RingWraith]

Look at how sad Vince looks after all his money was wasted (http://deadspin.com/5958626/linda-mcmahons-failed-senate-campaign-left-husband-vince-a-sad-sad-man)


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

hah! He's sad cause another venture outside of wrestling has failed.... AGAIN!!

[NickyL0885]

From CM Punks twitter

“@CrisJames1: @CMPunk Please tell me your having a CM Punk appreciation night for the big one year celebration?” It's make sense, so no.

Gotta love WWE writing!

[cougarjake13]

From CM Punks twitter



Gotta love WWE writing!





buncha dumbasses

[Kevin]

This is the dumbest storyline ever.

Made dumber by the fact that Vickey "did it" with like 3 superstars.

enough of Vickey, she is terrible

[cougarjake13]

This is the dumbest storyline ever.

Made dumber by the fact that Vickey "did it" with like 3 superstars.

enough of Vickey, she is terrible




what's the end game here ?

dolph cashing in after cena beats punk ?

[Kevin]

what's the end game here ?

dolph cashing in after cena beats punk ?

Na, Punk is keeping his title until RR when he loses it to The Rock..

[cougarjake13]

I didn't think so before but now it feels like the heart attack was a work


why have all that footage of what coulda been a dead guy

[Kevin]

OK......


Now this looks like a work...

[Kevin]

I guess they are making Miz face..

[cougarjake13]

I feel Maddox will win by dq or some shit like that to stick around

[Kevin]

Funny how these "FAN VOTES" Always seem to end up exactly how the WWE wants it..

[cougarjake13]

Funny how these "FAN VOTES" Always seem to end up exactly how the WWE wants it..



yup

although on e in a blue moon it's a surprise

[brettmojo]

Funny how these "FAN VOTES" Always seem to end up exactly how the WWE wants it..

I want a write-in option. I'd vote AJ into every match just to see that ass jiggling in the ring.

[conman823]

There is not a single storyline I'm into at all right now. I would think Cena has enough creative control to say "No" to terrible angles like.this one.

Lawler's heart attack wasn't a work, still I lost respect for the company for taping it. I'm sure it was all done with Lawlers permission, but still.

Three hours even with FFD felt like 9.

[TripleSkeet]

Just watched for the first time in 3 weeks. Thats it. Im done. I have to tap out for now, I cant take it anymore.

Ryback squashing unknown guys. Paul Heyman meeting said unknown with zero payoff. Cena in yet another nonsensical and completely retarded angle. (See: Kane/Ryder/Eve) Punk saying the same shit week after week.

It sucks. Its worse then when I stopped watching back in the early 90s. Ill check back here weekly, please let me know when Lesnar or The Rock are scheduled to show up. Then Ill watch.

[NickyL0885]

Just watched for the first time in 3 weeks. Thats it. Im done. I have to tap out for now, I cant take it anymore.

Ryback squashing unknown guys. Paul Heyman meeting said unknown with zero payoff. Cena in yet another nonsensical and completely retarded angle. (See: Kane/Ryder/Eve) Punk saying the same shit week after week.

It sucks. Its worse then when I stopped watching back in the early 90s. Ill check back here weekly, please let me know when Lesnar or The Rock are scheduled to show up. Then Ill watch.

You'll be back. They always come back!

[brettmojo]

You'll be back. They always come back!

Keep telling yourself that, Vince.

[TripleSkeet]

You'll be back. They always come back!

LOL I just said Ill be back. As soon as Lesnar or The Rock shows up.

[conman823]

Can't wait for the Rock to grace us with his part time presence again. Winning the Belt then not defending it till WM. Burying Punk and then facing Cena again "Twice in a lifetime".

I wouldn't care so much if he wasn't just so blatantly in it for the money. I would love to see him full time again just for those 3 months but they already said he has movie commitments.

[newport king]

He gets paid like 20M a movie. Ego or love of wresrling/performing sure, money, i disagree

[TripleSkeet]

He gets paid like 20M a movie. Ego or love of wresrling/performing sure, money, i disagree

Exactly.

At this point I dont care. He just entertains me, and what they are doing now doesnt. You know how shitty a wrestling show has to be to get diehards to give up watching it???

[newport king]

They cant give vicki this much screen time. I dont hate her as a manager, but shes getting booed off the mic. It rivals john laurinaitis. That doesnt make a good heel. People in the arena think you suck so bad you cant get a word in

[conman823]

I don't even think The Rock can bring it back at this point. He won't be around long enough to create a true impact and, as with last year, after the first appearance the ratings will level off.

I just don't understand how Vince sees what's on the screen and thinks its good. He fired the Head writer of RAW a few weeks ago and nothing has changed. Maybe it's time to tell Princess Steph to hit the bricks. Her creative dept isn't creating ratings that's for sure

[Dirtbag]

I wonder what it would take to get Shane back.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

it is more entertaining at this point to follow the fake vince twitter then watch the shows.

[conman823]

I wonder what it would take to get Shane back.

I'd sign Shane as a talent at this point and give him a Babyface run.

[newport king]

Shane wouldve been huge if he wasnt vince's kid.

[TripleSkeet]

Its funny, I posted last night about giving up. Today I get a call from a friend of mine, another die hard wrestling fan thats been watching forever. First thing he asked me was if I watched Raw. Then he followed it with "Dude, I just cant watch it anymore. Its just so bad. I cant get over how bad it is. I even took it off my DVR cue." Looks like Im not the only one thats reached his breaking point.

For the record, I dont think The Rock can bring it back. He cant simply because he isnt full time and thats not gonna change. Im just willing to watch when he or Lesnar are there because they still entertain me. Once they leave Ill probably be gone again.

[newport king]

I remember HHH either being on O&A or interviewed by Sam, and the subject of storylines came up. He basically scoffed at the idea of fans becoming writers. The gist of what he said was, everyone thinks they have better ideas, but said it in a way that kind of shitted on fans/critics.

However put yourself in vince's shoes, id have a hard time trusting my empire to someone else, which is essentially what theyre doing when they get a head writer.

Its gotta be a tough spot to be in

[TripleSkeet]

I remember HHH either being on O&A or interviewed by Sam, and the subject of storylines came up. He basically scoffed at the idea of fans becoming writers. The gist of what he said was, everyone thinks they have better ideas, but said it in a way that kind of shitted on fans/critics.

However put yourself in vince's shoes, id have a hard time trusting my empire to someone else, which is essentially what theyre doing when they get a head writer.

Its gotta be a tough spot to be in

The problem they have is they want to cater everything to everyone. That just doesnt work in wrestling. I just saw a roundtable wher JR said back in the late 90s their main target demographic was men 18-39. And that even though they tried to include a little bit for everyone in each show they knew who they were going after. He said now tthe WWE is PG because they are expanding their net and trying to appeal to everyone.

While thats a nice idea in theory, it doesnt work, and thats why the product sucks. You cant just appeal to everyone throughout the entire show. Pick a fucking demographic, and cater to it. Then have an angle or a couple wrestlers that appeal to your other demos sprinkled throughout.

People act like the entire Attitude Era was just cursing and fake fucking and nudity and shit like that and it wasnt. The main product appealed to adults. Not just men but women also. Stone Cold, The Rock, DX, The Undertaker. But for women they had the Hardy Boys, for the people that liked gimmicks and such they had the Brood, Kane, Golddust, Val Venis etc. For kids they had Too Cool, Rikishi, etc. For hardcore enthusiasts they had Shamrock and Mankind. Sex appeal was Sable, Lita, Trish.

They had some of everything on each show, but they never lost focus on what the bread and butter was.

[newport king]

It seemed like the attitude era guys went way harder than the current roster. Watch a ppv from that time, every match would be headline worthy today. There are guys that can work a match. But the majority of wrestlers (punk included) seem to go thru the motions out there. Doing the same move set week after week.

The list of guys id say put on a different match every time are Ziggler, Bryan, Barrett, ADR, hell i'd include Miz. Thats it. I have hopes for Sandow after this run with Cody, he put on a GREAT match carrying Sheamus a few weeks ago. He just needs to drop this Rick Martel/Lanny Poffo hybrid character hes got going.

[spoon]

Ok, this may be the only way you fucks could get me in this awful thread, but man this clip just cracked me up. I think a ton of it is how the host handled it, but wow is that Lacey chick hot. It just came up after the Goon clip too for some reason.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/nfRsCju63v4?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Fallon]

but wow is that Lacey chick hot.

Lacey Von Erich
http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/106/1061060/lacey-von-erich-20100113083826285-000.jpg

[cougarjake13]

Lacey Von Erich
http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/106/1061060/lacey-von-erich-20100113083826285-000.jpg



I miss her in Tna

[cougarjake13]

if this doesn't happen this way at survivor series id be shocked


initially ryback and cena tag up against punk nearly beating the life out of him but things go awry when both go for pin at same time punk rolls out and cena ryback go at it exchange finishers and last minute punk rolls back in hits the gts and retains

[spoon]

I miss her in Tna

i miss here t and a

[cougarjake13]

i miss here t and a



that too

[TripleSkeet]

if this doesn't happen this way at survivor series id be shocked


initially ryback and cena tag up against punk nearly beating the life out of him but things go awry when both go for pin at same time punk rolls out and cena ryback go at it exchange finishers and last minute punk rolls back in hits the gts and retains

Pretty predictable. Sounds like you nailed it.

[conman823]

They're phoning it in bad for Survivor Series. This is what u get for having an epic 3 week build with no direction.

The way I'd fantasy book the match would be to have Ryback dominate toward the finish, knock Cena to the outside, then a Ref Bump followed by Punk getting a chair. Then Ryback no sells the chair shots, Punk gets demolished but from behind Heyman jumps Ryback with chloroform. Heyman can't lift punk to cover Ryback but Cena recovers with the ref and hits AA on Punk to win the belt.

Cena fights Rock at Rumble. Rock wins, Punk vs Rock at WM after Punk wins RR. Cena fights HHH and Taker in a 3 way match for the streak.

I'm about the ready to tune out. I love the Rumble so I'll most likely order that.

[Kevin]

They're phoning it in bad for Survivor Series. This is what u get for having an epic 3 week build with no direction.

The way I'd fantasy book the match would be to have Ryback dominate toward the finish, knock Cena to the outside, then a Ref Bump followed by Punk getting a chair. Then Ryback no sells the chair shots, Punk gets demolished but from behind Heyman jumps Ryback with chloroform. Heyman can't lift punk to cover Ryback but Cena recovers with the ref and hits AA on Punk to win the belt.

Cena fights Rock at Rumble. Rock wins, Punk vs Rock at WM after Punk wins RR. Cena fights HHH and Taker in a 3 way match for the streak.

I'm about the ready to tune out. I love the Rumble so I'll most likely order that.

Yea, but you aren't a soap writer, what do you know!

[NickyL0885]

Only thing that will cause change is sinking ratings and less fans showing up to shows. Since the latter is not likely to happen as fast, ratings are the best way to go. My issue is, I have nothing else to watch on Mondays. I don't care for Monday Night Football unless the Jets are playing, and Gruden is horrible to listen too. So, in a way, I watch b/c nothing better is on.

I can only look at porn so much before I need to do something else.

[Kevin]

Only thing that will cause change is sinking ratings and less fans showing up to shows. Since the latter is not likely to happen as fast, ratings are the best way to go. My issue is, I have nothing else to watch on Mondays. I don't care for Monday Night Football unless the Jets are playing, and Gruden is horrible to listen too. So, in a way, I watch b/c nothing better is on.

I can only look at porn so much before I need to do something else.

Yep, basically on the same boat as you there...

I always say THATS IT i am not watching anymore, but mondays roll around and there aint shit else to watch.

[cougarjake13]

Yep, basically on the same boat as you there...

I always say THATS IT i am not watching anymore, but mondays roll around and there aint shit else to watch.



zactly

I wind up flipping betw raw and mnf

[TripleSkeet]

They're phoning it in bad for Survivor Series. This is what u get for having an epic 3 week build with no direction.

The way I'd fantasy book the match would be to have Ryback dominate toward the finish, knock Cena to the outside, then a Ref Bump followed by Punk getting a chair. Then Ryback no sells the chair shots, Punk gets demolished but from behind Heyman jumps Ryback with chloroform. Heyman can't lift punk to cover Ryback but Cena recovers with the ref and hits AA on Punk to win the belt.

Cena fights Rock at Rumble. Rock wins, Punk vs Rock at WM after Punk wins RR. Cena fights HHH and Taker in a 3 way match for the streak.

I'm about the ready to tune out. I love the Rumble so I'll most likely order that.

You had me til Cena, HHH, Taker in a 3 way. No more Taker / HHH. 3 times is enough. You wanna put Cena / Taker and match up HHH with Lesnar? Fine. Personally Id rather see Lesnar vs Ryback over Lesnar / HHH but can live with either choice.

[conman823]

You had me til Cena, HHH, Taker in a 3 way. No more Taker / HHH. 3 times is enough. You wanna put Cena / Taker and match up HHH with Lesnar? Fine. Personally Id rather see Lesnar vs Ryback over Lesnar / HHH but can live with either choice.

You know Triple H is going to WM so why not make him the heel for that match. The sad part is they're saying that Taker is not 100% and may NOT be at WM.

I think Lesner/HHH at WM will happen just because who else can be in the ring with Lesner and CARRY him to a good match. Ryback/ Lesner maybe at a Summerslam.

[conman823]

http://http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/263975-jumped-the-shark

I hate Mark Madden but his article could sum it up any better. :flush::surrender::help::thumbdown:

[spe5150]

http://http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/263975-jumped-the-shark

I hate Mark Madden but his article could sum it up any better. :flush::surrender::help::thumbdown:

Fixed the link...part 1 (http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/263975-jumped-the-shark)

Part 2...if you care (http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/264053-jumped-the-shark-part-2-millions-less)

[styckx]

If you were to just read this snippet from a spoiler

but all of a sudden three guys dressed in black rush the ring.

What spoiler would you think I copied it from

C. TNA

The fact a Survivor Series main event had some bullshit NXT run in dusty finish is the poster child of shit WWE has become.

Thankfully I didn't waste my time stealing WWE PPVs and sat around drinking Diet Coke, eating cabot cheese and watching Breaking Bad season 4..

[cougarjake13]

I liked my finish better

[conman823]

I was glad to see them bring up some new talent, but it's like laying pearls before seine at this point. First thing I thought when reading the recap was "Oh they're doing the nexus angle again ".

Craptastic

[NickyL0885]

My gawd! My gawd, King! Cena might be injured again! Vince is crying in his cereal!

[Kevin]

My gawd! My gawd, King! Cena might be injured again! Vince is crying in his cereal!

Or they are just faking it so either either can be SUPERCENA again, or to have an excuse on why Dolph makes him look so bad.

And King is just terrible, he does not belong there anymore. JBL is so much better.

[cougarjake13]

Or they are just faking it so either either can be SUPERCENA again, or to have an excuse on why Dolph makes him look so bad.

And King is just terrible, he does not belong there anymore. JBL is so much better.



I remember awhile back someone posted that the wwe was going to start writing in injuries so maybe it's that

[cougarjake13]

I was glad to see them bring up some new talent, but it's like laying pearls before seine at this point. First thing I thought when reading the recap was "Oh they're doing the nexus angle again ".

Craptastic

cenas new colors are very nexus like


and wtf does he change it every month now ?

holy fuck for the parents who keep buying that shit

[cougarjake13]

tonight's raw feels different and not in a good way


from the opening recap to the interviews and injury updates it feels even less of a wrestling show then it ever did


the only good thing is the cena aj kiss was the most risqué thing i remember seeing all year and the dolph attack in the locker room was pretty un current wwe


it all means nothing most likely

[conman823]

cenas new colors are very nexus like


and wtf does he change it every month now ?

holy fuck for the parents who keep buying that shit

If they only put as much effort in the on screen performance as they do in marketing we'd see a third golden age of wrestling

[Dirtbag]

Titus O'neil was fucking hilarious on commentary.

[conman823]

Titus O'neil was fucking hilarious on commentary.

I wouldn't know, that segment ended up on the wrong side of a FFWD soon as I saw Sin Cara's entrance

[NickyL0885]

Heyman destroyed the IWC tonight with his promo at the end. Also, that was a cool spot with Dolph smashing Cena through the crapper.

[cougarjake13]

Heyman destroyed the IWC tonight with his promo at the end. Also, that was a cool spot with Dolph smashing Cena through the crapper.



I tapped out early
what he say ?

[TripleSkeet]

cenas new colors are very nexus like


and wtf does he change it every month now ?

holy fuck for the parents who keep buying that shit

If my son ever asked me to buy him a Cena shirt I honestly might slap him. Im sure that makes me a horrible parent in some way, but theres no way I would ever let him wear that corny shit. Maybe if he changed his gimmick because I liked some of his old ones, but none of the shit hes got now.

Of course I dont have to deal with that yet as hes only 3 and the only wrestling shirt he has ever asked for was The Rocks last one. Hes never on yet hes the kids favorite wrestler.

[cougarjake13]

has there been any updates on cena and his may or may not have a legit injury

[TripleSkeet]

Looks like it may not have been Cena after all....

PWInsider reports that there has been a major disconnect within the relationship between Punk and WWE over the past few weeks. It was originally reported that John Cena was the one who spoke out at Vince McMahon backstage and told him the product needed major changes because it was in bad shape. PWInsider reports that other people are saying it was Punk who spoke out.

Supposedly Punk is pissed off because WWE has done nothing to promote him being on The Talking Dead this week or leading the Chicago Thanksgiving Parade. And he should be. If it were Cena they wouldve been hyping it for weeks. WWE is a fucking conundrum. They give this guy the belt for over a year, yet it still seems they have no respect for him.

[cougarjake13]

Looks like it may not have been Cena after all....



Supposedly Punk is pissed off because WWE has done nothing to promote him being on The Talking Dead this week or leading the Chicago Thanksgiving Parade. And he should be. If it were Cena they wouldve been hyping it for weeks. WWE is a fucking conundrum. They give this guy the belt for over a year, yet it still seems they have no respect for him.



I e been trying to fig that out for a year

they're treating punk as wwe champ like they do the intercontinental champ

[NickyL0885]

I've read Cena's injury was a work, but also that it's legit. The idea being, as many have said, they want to make him look weak against Dolph in order to "rise above" it all!

[cougarjake13]

I've read Cena's injury was a work, but also that it's legit. The idea being, as many have said, they want to make him look weak against Dolph in order to "rise above" it all!



how can it be both

[Kevin]

Its absolutely fake.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a rube.

They do not follow up a serious injury like that with letting him do what he did next in the locker room.

HHH was immediately out with a torn knee

So were others.

Cena is their money maker, no fucking way do they risk his career like that.

[conman823]

I think all this Punk not being promoted crap is a work too. Its all to fitting for his character.

I feel like we're back in the early/mid 90s. Eventually something major has to change. If it doesn't happen within the next year I will officially declare that Vince is burnt out and given up.

[Kevin]

I think all this Punk not being promoted crap is a work too. Its all to fitting for his character.

I feel like we're back in the early/mid 90s. Eventually something major has to change. If it doesn't happen within the next year I will officially declare that Vince is burnt out and given up.

Punk and Lesnar were both ruined by EgoH

He had to put himself in the spotlight.

Punk was getting huge and got derailed and they really did not know what to do with him.

And this heel turn has been an utter failure.

They don't love him, nor do they hate him...

[newport king]

On punks dvd they talked about how when he held the world title, they didnt know what to do with him, he wasnt promoted at all, and generally looked at as anything but a top guy...so whats changed other than the belt hes wearing?

[newport king]

The Cena thing, he landed wrong, im sure hes fine and they're running with it.

[Kevin]

On punks dvd they talked about how when he held the world title, they didnt know what to do with him, he wasnt promoted at all, and generally looked at as anything but a top guy...so whats changed other than the belt hes wearing?

Thats just Vince having a gay hard on for his beautiful Monsters.

If Punk was done right, he would have been huge.

[NickyL0885]

I hate when they bring "Security" out. It never does anything.

[NickyL0885]

Ryback is fucking awful. He gets ANOTHER title shot?!

[cougarjake13]

Ryback is fucking awful. He gets ANOTHER title shot?!



even better is the poster with him mere minutes after the match was made

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I wonder how trips will get involved with these new guys to completely derail this storyline

[cougarjake13]

I wonder how trips will get involved with these new guys to completely derail this storyline



he'll find a way

[Kevin]

So they have a 30mins Shaemus Sizcaro match just to end at a countout and have big show clumsily break a chair?

SMH...

[NickyL0885]

So they have a 30mins Shaemus Sizcaro match just to end at a countout and have big show clumsily break a chair?

SMH...

You're Welcome.