Monday Night RAW Discussion

[styckx]

What's funny is TNA had their best PPV in near for fucking ever (Destination X) and here comes the old McMahon hammer to crush any and all hype that PPV garnered for them. Just shows when Vince isn't just going through the motions he still can pull off incredible and compelling shows.. MITB made Destination X look like a house show in comparison.

[styckx]

HAHAHAA

http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/18/wwe-champ-celebrates-on-the-chicago-streets-cm-punk-colt-cabana-ace-steel-john-cena-mike-ditka-money-in-the-bank-title-pepsi/

Punk is a cash cow.. Holy shit

[TripleSkeet]

LMAO He just tweeted hes on his couch about to put the title on the line against Piston Honda.

[foodcourtdruide]

This couldn't be more off topic..

But why is R-Truth named R-Truth? He had two great names:
Ron Killings and "The Truth"

Why did they combine them to make something stupid? Is his name supposed to be "Ron Truth"? That doesn't even make sense.

[TripleSkeet]

This couldn't be more off topic..

But why is R-Truth named R-Truth? He had two great names:
Ron Killings and "The Truth"

Why did they combine them to make something stupid? Is his name supposed to be "Ron Truth"? That doesn't even make sense.

He was Ron The Truth Killings in TNA. Vince doesnt usually like keeping names from other promotions, no matter how good. If Sting finally came to the WWE hed probably rename him Scorpion Man.

[Dirtbag]

You'd think Del Rio would be more wary of the head kick.

According to WWE hes really dont on the 18th. They had to give a statement to GLAAD saying he has 2 weeks left on an already advertised PPV so but they arent re-signing him. Thats their way of cowtowing to the faggot equivalent of Al Sharpton.

I love that WWE is at best just paying lip service to GLAAD, and at worse actively fucking with them. Again (http://www.outsports.com/columns/20020913glaadwwe.htm).

[MagillaGorillaz]

HAHAHAA

http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/18/wwe-champ-celebrates-on-the-chicago-streets-cm-punk-colt-cabana-ace-steel-john-cena-mike-ditka-money-in-the-bank-title-pepsi/

Punk is a cash cow.. Holy shit

Vince must have a deal with Ring Of Honor. I hope they don't screw this up gearing up for Summer Slam.

[Kevin]

The Punk victory to me was ruined a bit because Punk blew the finisher so bad.

[Sue_Bender]

The Punk victory to me was ruined a bit because Punk blew the finisher so bad.

Who's "The Finisher"?

[Kevin]

Who's "The Finisher"?

A new really GLAAD wrestler..

[TripleSkeet]

From Cenas Twitter just now...

I have just been 'future endeavored'. Well..if that's how it is I would like to take a moment to publicly apologize to Dwayne 'the Rock' Johnson. In an effort to make WM28 as big as possible I tried to expose rock for his flaws. Very childish and immature on my behalf. My comments about the rocks absence were both unprofessional and childish. I am sorry. Rock, I truly wish and still hope in my heart of Hearts that the crazy old man who is the boss reconsiders his totally rash decision. Because chicago was insane last night And it made me think.of what Miami could have been. I guess sometimes u do not know what u have until it is lost. And it made me think.of what Miami could have been. I guess sometimes u do not know what u have until it is lost. CeNation. I very rarely ask u for anything but I am down to my last chance. If u could tweet WWE to let them know not to fire me. I would be indebted to u all. Im not saying its gonna work but sometimes they can not ignore the universe

LOL It was going good until that last Tweet. WWE pandering to the social networks for publicity.

Im starting to think that my initial prediction of them having a deal with ROH may be true after all. I know they have been trying to start their own TV network for awhile now. And ROH was just bought by Sinclair Broadcasting, and Cornette just announced today that ROH TV debuts 9-24-11. By partnering up on the WWE with this, they get some much needed exposure to launch their tv show, and the WWE gets some new angles that have people talking. It also gets them on the good side of Sinclair Broadcasting while trying to build a TV Network. WWE just recently posted a job listing for a recruiter to help build the staff for the WWE cable network.

But who the hell knows.

Also, CM Punk said tonight he would be at the Phillies / Cubs game instead of Raw.

[TripleSkeet]

You'd think Del Rio would be more wary of the head kick.



I love that WWE is at best just paying lip service to GLAAD, and at worse actively fucking with them. Again (http://www.outsports.com/columns/20020913glaadwwe.htm).

I was thinking the same thing. So awesome. Fuck GLAAD.

[cougarjake13]

Solid PPV, I liked both MitB matches and the main event was fantastic. Had no idea who was gonna win and at so many points it looked like the match was over.

WWE did good.



Well, he rain into the crowd after kicking Del Rio.

You get half credit.

halfs better than nothing


im just happy vince didnt take the pussy way out and actually have del rio win

[cougarjake13]

HAHAHAA

http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/18/wwe-champ-celebrates-on-the-chicago-streets-cm-punk-colt-cabana-ace-steel-john-cena-mike-ditka-money-in-the-bank-title-pepsi/

Punk is a cash cow.. Holy shit



why do i feel a ring of honor invasion is coming ?

[Chimee]

why do i feel a ring of honor invasion is coming ?

Nothing would make me happier.

[cougarjake13]

Nothing would make me happier.

at tgis point its the only thing that makes sense

[styckx]

From Cenas Twitter just now...



LOL It was going good until that last Tweet. WWE pandering to the social networks for publicity.


Ahh, still good.. WWE definitely seems to be sticking with the Attitude Lite era they're currently steering towards. "Future Endeavored" is a total smarky term.

Seriously, I'm enjoying this while it lasts.. Hopefully the $$$$$$$$$ Vince is making off this has convinced him to continue down this road and stop pandering to 12 year olds.

[cougarjake13]

Ahh, still good.. WWE definitely seems to be sticking with the Attitude Lite era they're currently steering towards. "Future Endeavored" is a total smarky term.

Seriously, I'm enjoying this while it lasts.. Hopefully the $$$$$$$$$ Vince is making off this has convinced him to continue down this road and stop pandering to 12 year olds.



we can only hope

[styckx]

http://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/gn1wz.jpg

[cougarjake13]

awesome



maybe they'll have a run in when he sits in the booth for singing take me out to the ball game

[styckx]

awesome



maybe they'll have a run in when he sits in the booth for singing take me out to the ball game

Hopefully they'll have a live video of him destroying that POS belt with a Louisville Slugger.

[cougarjake13]

Hopefully they'll have a live video of him destroying that POS belt with a Louisville Slugger.

well if nothing else, no roh invasion, no last minute punk signing a new contract hopefully at the very least punk leaving means there is a new title design

[Chimee]

well if nothing else, no roh invasion, no last minute punk signing a new contract hopefully at the very least punk leaving means there is a new title design

Considering the last couple of belts they made, it'll probably look like shit. I think the last belt that didn't look terrible was the US Title, at least until John Cena got it.

[cougarjake13]

Considering the last couple of belts they made, it'll probably look like shit. I think the last belt that didn't look terrible was the US Title, at least until John Cena got it.

cena's ruined every belt he's gotten cept for the tag titles cause he never held on to them for long


they just need to not make the belt wrestler specific like they did with cena

at least the took away the spinner part

[Kevin]

http://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/gn1wz.jpg

is he trying too look like Cena?

[StanUpshaw]

You'd think Del Rio would be more wary of the head kick.

Right leg: hospital
Left leg: cemetery

[cougarjake13]

is he trying too look like Cena?

if he wasnt at a cubs game then maybe

[StanUpshaw]

I'm not sure who it was...someone on an F4W show...they came up with a really good idea for Monday night: Cena comes out with the belt. Cuts a promo like he's reading off a script about how he won last night. The announcers comment about Cena's win like they're reading off a script. Everyone is begrudgingly kayfabing the fact that Punk won and left with the belt. We see security confiscating Punk signs out of the front row. EVERYONE knows the truth, but Mr McMahon has ordered a coverup. No one is happy, but they play along.


I don't know where the storyline goes from there, but it would be fun for a night to play WWE Twilight Zone.

[cougarjake13]

well that was uneventful

[StanUpshaw]

They couldn't even keep me tuned in through the first commercial break.

[cougarjake13]

They couldn't even keep me tuned in through the first commercial break.

i hope it ends better than it started cause right now its business as usual

[Dirtbag]

Honestly, as much as it'll make for boring TV in the meantime, I kinda like that is business as usual until Punk is ready to come back. Assuming they don't screw that up.

[Kevin]

What a terrible follow up to a great PPV.

I could not have thought of a worse show so far.

[NickyL0885]

What a terrible follow up to a great PPV.

I could not have thought of a worse show so far.

Yea mean, the women's match didn't have you on the edge of your seat?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Dirtbag]

What a terrible follow up to a great PPV.

I could not have thought of a worse show so far.

And people wonder where "wrestling" went. Sure, I'd like more fallout from Punk and even Cena, but I'm glad they're both focusing on wrestling and not bludgeoning us with two guys who are supposed to be gone. Sometimes its better to take it slow.

[Kevin]

Yea mean, the women's match didn't have you on the edge of your seat?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yea, wooooo

[Kevin]

And people wonder where "wrestling" went. Sure, I'd like more fallout from Punk and even Cena, but I'm glad they're both focusing on wrestling and not bludgeoning us with two guys who are supposed to be gone. Sometimes its better to take it slow.



Yea its always great to stop a good thing and produce garbage.

[styckx]

This whole show is awful.. Including the piped in fake 619 chants..

[styckx]

Ok.. That was worth 2hrs of awful.

Great swerve...

[paulisded]

"Thank you, Vince." Seriously?

[styckx]

"Thank you, Vince." Seriously?

That crowd was the dumbest crowd I've ever seen. They had no idea what to do at any time during the entire show.

[Kevin]

"Thank you, Vince." Seriously?

Its Wisconsin, why are you surprised?

[spoon]

Any bet welchers in here?

Just checking for the two-time piece of shit who doesn't pay up on his bets. Anyone see a fake in here?

[Dirtbag]

Amazing Raw. An hour forty-five of wrestling, most of it good especially by today's WWE standards, a mercifully short Divas match, Vince of all people saying "WWF," a great promo from Cena, and a logical yet fantastic swerve.

[styckx]

Cenas promo wasn't all that great.. In words yes... Out of his mouth no.. Cena is great on the mic when he's talking about the troops, Hustle and Loyalty and reminding everyone for the 100th time `he does what he does in this ring every night for each and every one of you". It should have been said by someone with passion, not just speaking with no inflection in their voice.

The swerve is a great one, although sorta makes the whole lead up to CM Punk and Cena fired thing sort of watered down.. There is now a 24 lane clear highway to bring Punk back with little to no storyline needed.

edit: Oh and the wrestling sucked tonight.. You could make 1/2 a new botchfest out of tonights matches alone.

[TripleSkeet]

I enjoyed it. Not counting Punks promos the last few weeks tonights was one of the better Raws theyve put together in awhile.

[Dirtbag]

The swerve is a great one, although sorta makes the whole lead up to CM Punk and Cena fired thing sort of watered down.. There is now a 24 lane clear highway to bring Punk back with little to no storyline needed.

There never was a barrier to Punk coming back. Tonight just gives them a reason not to "fire" Cena. It wasn't Vince who chased Punk away, he wanted to leave. Punk isn't a big fan of the "Doofus son-in-law" either.

[paulisded]

edit: Oh and the wrestling sucked tonight.. You could make 1/2 a new botchfest out of tonights matches alone.

The botch during the 50 girl "tag team" disaster was the worst I've seen since an early episode of Tough Enough.

[Dirtbag]

The botch during the 50 girl "tag team" disaster was the worst I've seen since an early episode of Tough Enough.

I went to put a pizza in the oven during that match and it was over by the time I got back. That's what they need to be doing until they can teach 75% of these broads how to wrestle.

[styckx]

The botch during the 50 girl "tag team" disaster was the worst I've seen since an early episode of Tough Enough.

The absolute worst was Zilgler landing on the ropes, goes to turn over, get up, or whatever, then notice Rey camping out (like he usually does) waiting to do the 619, then rolls back over with his back facing Rey to take the 619.

I hate the 619.. It's the worst setup move

[conman823]

I hate the 619.. It's the worst setup move

I always said the only scouting you needed to do to face Rey is not end up on the middle rope.

Vince McMahon being relieved of duty was a little stupid. What decisions has Vince made that calls his leadership into question? Maybe it was the use of WWF tonight. Nobody reminded him to get the F out.

[Kevin]

Any bet welchers in here?

Just checking for the two-time piece of shit who doesn't pay up on his bets. Anyone see a fake in here?

Seriously. Welchers are the worst.

[Dirtbag]

Vince McMahon being relieved of duty was a little stupid. What decisions has Vince made that calls his leadership into question? Maybe it was the use of WWF tonight. Nobody reminded him to get the F out.

If you were a director, and Vince wanted to get rid of John Cena and let him show up on Impact, wouldn't you do everything you could to stop him?

[Tenbatsuzen]

The absolute worst was Zilgler landing on the ropes, goes to turn over, get up, or whatever, then notice Rey camping out (like he usually does) waiting to do the 619, then rolls back over with his back facing Rey to take the 619.

I hate the 619.. It's the worst setup move

The only finisher more convoluted than the 619 is Total Elimination. I never understood how a move where you need to get a dazed wrestler BACK ON HIS FEET go so over.

[conman823]

If you were a director, and Vince wanted to get rid of John Cena and let him show up on Impact, wouldn't you do everything you could to stop him?

He said there would be consequences last night. Which told me he was backpedaling on the whole firing thing.

Oh and let us not passover the terrible, terrible acting on HHH part. No wonder the chaperon made -$3.

[styckx]

They need Triple H off TV asap. Great and all irl he is taking over the business but on TV he will always be Triple H the wrestler. No matter what suit he wears that barely fits him he will never come close to having the presence of power McMahon did. He is a goof at best in that "character" and no wrestling fan will take him seriously.

[TripleSkeet]

I always said the only scouting you needed to do to face Rey is not end up on the middle rope.

Vince McMahon being relieved of duty was a little stupid. What decisions has Vince made that calls his leadership into question? Maybe it was the use of WWF tonight. Nobody reminded him to get the F out.

Did you see that suit he had on last night????

[conman823]

Did you see that suit he had on last night????

I just wanted to rub his lapel gently to feel the color

[paulisded]

The absolute worst was Zilgler landing on the ropes, goes to turn over, get up, or whatever, then notice Rey camping out (like he usually does) waiting to do the 619, then rolls back over with his back facing Rey to take the 619.

I hate the 619.. It's the worst setup move

Yep, I see that happen all the time.

[paulisded]

I always said the only scouting you needed to do to face Rey is not end up on the middle rope.

Vince McMahon being relieved of duty was a little stupid. What decisions has Vince made that calls his leadership into question? Maybe it was the use of WWF tonight. Nobody reminded him to get the F out.

They guy has barely been on TV or in any storylines the last 2 years. How can they explain anything he's done that is so extreme that the board has to "fire" him.

[styckx]

Hahahah
After having a meltdown on twitter and calling a miz fan a "fag" Snitsky is falling on the old "my account was hacked" excuse.

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2011/0719/541929/

[StanUpshaw]

I just find it so perfectly appropriate that they stumble into their hottest angle in years, and what happens? HHH makes it all about HHH.

[Dirtbag]

Hahahah
After having a meltdown on twitter and calling a miz fan a "fag" Snitsky is falling on the old "my account was hacked" excuse.

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2011/0719/541929/

It wasn't his fault.

[conman823]

They guy has barely been on TV or in any storylines the last 2 years. How can they explain anything he's done that is so extreme that the board has to "fire" him.

John Cena is really the living end of the company, the board would rather shit can McMahon then loss the five knuckle shuffle.

HHH cannot pull this role off. Who would have thought that it could get worse then "The anonymous RAW GM"?

[TripleSkeet]

Hahahah
After having a meltdown on twitter and calling a miz fan a "fag" Snitsky is falling on the old "my account was hacked" excuse.

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2011/0719/541929/

Theres nothing in that story about him calling anybody a fag.

[styckx]

Theres nothing in that story about him calling anybody a fag.

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Ex-WWE_Star_Snitsky_Responds_To_Miz_Fans_With_Multipl e_Homophobic_Remarks.html

Former WWE talent Gene Snitsky posted multiple inflammatory remarks this afternoon on his Twitter account in response to widespread criticism over his unfavorable view of The Miz.

"Love the haters on twitter!!!! I beat the miz in 30 secs and he could nvr hold my jockstrap! Im a div 1 athelete, former NFL player! Fags," he wrote.

"Do your research you fuckin no life pieces of shit! Lmao... Anyof you mommys boys ever accomplish nethin b sides sniffin ur moms panties.

"Get out of your mommys basement and stop jerkin off to gay porn u wanna beez!!!!! Rotflmao at these nerds!!!!

He also called a follower of his a "retard" in response to a remark that The Miz has a job. The former Heat Superstar then boasted that he's featured in WWE's upcoming video release, OMG! The Top 50 Incidents in WWE History, while The Miz isn't.

"Oh and dont 4get im on the top 50 omg moments in WWE!!! Haha jackasses! Dont c miz on there!!!!! You DMF's," he wrote. "My time is money.... You idiots arent worth either! Lol peace out to all my beloved fans!!!! Have a wonderful day."

Snitsky capped off his diatribe by saying that fans of The Miz are "Mizarks."

[Dan 'Hampton]

Sounds like he's listing fag as one of his accomplishments.

[Kevin]

Did you see that suit he had on last night????

That suit made him look more like a pussy than Doc Halladay tapping out in 91 degree heat.

No wonder Cliff Lee wanted to be with him and spoon loves him.

[cougarjake13]

i think cena was the first wwe guy to actually acknowledge the existence of tna on wwe tv with his brother comment


unless hhh brings back an attitude type era then this is all pointless

[StanUpshaw]

Low Ki did.

Now he's there.

[cougarjake13]

Low Ki did.

Now he's there.

forgot bout that

[Dirtbag]

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[TripleSkeet]

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Shit you beat me to it. That was so awesome. I cant believe how in just about 1 month CM Punk has so many people interested in wrestling again.

[styckx]

I can't believe WWE is booking this angle right. That was awesome how he got an instant insane pop and chants at comic con.

[styckx]

Another interesting thing. Paul Heyman posted two exclusive pictures of punk from this "invasion"

So now you have Paul Heyman subtly directly involved in this also.

[Bigtchrist]

Another interesting thing. Paul Heyman posted two exclusive pictures of punk from this "invasion"

So now you have Paul Heyman subtly directly involved in this also.

Someone.. i forgot who was talking about Heyman/Lesnar and punk angle for something..
im vauge cause thats all i know..

[conman823]

Let's not forget that Heyman is also a shameless self promoter and opportunist. He may just be trying to get a rub off of punks success.

[cougarjake13]

Let's not forget that Heyman is also a shameless self promoter and opportunist. He may just be trying to get a rub off of punks success.



either way it seems we're all benefitting

[TripleSkeet]

Another Punk appearance...

http://yfrog.com/nq4x5z

[StanUpshaw]

I fucking hate chanting. I hate it so much. Wrestling fans are scum.

[TripleSkeet]

I fucking hate chanting. I hate it so much. Wrestling fans are scum.

Whats wrong with you?

[StanUpshaw]

I'm filled with hate. Where have you been?

[Sue_Bender]

I'm filled with hate.

And unwarranted cock?!

[cougarjake13]

And unwarranted cock?!

that too

[cougarjake13]

had a feeling it wuld be rey



and soon will come del rio to cash in mitb

[Sue_Bender]

I think HHH had a stroke and forgot how to speak like an educated jock:

And, quite frankly...

And, quite frankly...

And, quite frankly...

And, quite frankly...

And, quite frankly...

And, quite frankly...

And, quite frankly...

And, quite frankly...

And, quite frankly...

[styckx]

Holy Shit Zack Ryder On Raw.... In A Match

[cougarjake13]

Holy Shit Zack Ryder On Raw.... In A Match

pander violation

sucking up to cm punk

[cougarjake13]

no way rey keeps the belt


cena will win

punk will come back


and a unification match will be had

[Dirtbag]

I can't see Punk coming back just to lose, and to Cena of all people. And if Punk's not losing there's no reason for Rey to not hold onto the pretend belt till Summerslam.

[Sue_Bender]

Jesus Christ!

Cena's the ring general?

He's screaming directions for all to hear.

This main event lacks any physical impact whatsoever.


They can't even hook a leg with any conviction.

[styckx]

godammitsofuckingmuch

[paulisded]

no way rey keeps the belt


cena will win

punk will come back


and a unification match will be had

Nice call (albeit obvious)!

[styckx]

This just got awesome

[styckx]

Punk using his ROH music rules
Punk getting a louder pop raising the belt than Cena really rules
Cena pussy footing out of the ring was the best

[epo]

Punk using his ROH music rules
Punk getting a louder pop raising the belt than Cena really rules
Cena pussy footing out of the ring was the best

I must admit, I didn't watch the show until the end....and I laughed my arse off when Living Colour hit.

Punk is soooo their new version of Austin.

[TripleSkeet]

Great Raw, wouldve been better if the crowd wasnt such shit. Typical fucking hayseed crowd...WHAT? chants all night...big pops for Cena (actually saw a grown man doing the 3 fingers sign and holding out his shirt, GAY), no pop at all for Ryder. Where were they again? Virginia? Ugh, I hate when they do shows in the sticks. Its amazing the effect a great crowd can have on a show (Ex. Chicago)

[newport king]

Ok. I marked out. He's (cmpunk) has pulled me back in.

[epo]

Summerslam will be Wrestlezone X, HBK vs Razor.

[styckx]

Great Raw, wouldve been better if the crowd wasnt such shit. Typical fucking hayseed crowd...WHAT? chants all night...big pops for Cena (actually saw a grown man doing the 3 fingers sign and holding out his shirt, GAY), no pop at all for Ryder. Where were they again? Virginia? Ugh, I hate when they do shows in the sticks. Its amazing the effect a great crowd can have on a show (Ex. Chicago)

Think about it like this though.. The crowd came through when it counted.

That was a total typical cena mark crowd. Saw tons of Cena gear all over the place.. Yet.. Punk still got a big pop when he emerged, and the kick in the balls was the cheers when he held up the belt after Cena held up his was 3x louder than Cena.. He's slowly turning the "WWE universe" against Cena.. It's a slow process. Austin wasn't getting mega pops everywhere right off the bat either, it was a slow turn.

[Dirtbag]

Think about it like this though.. The crowd came through when it counted.

That was a total typical cena mark crowd. Saw tons of Cena gear all over the place.. Yet.. Punk still got a big pop when he emerged, and the kick in the balls was the cheers when he held up the belt after Cena held up his was 3x louder than Cena.. He's slowly turning the "WWE universe" against Cena.. It's a slow process. Austin wasn't getting mega pops everywhere right off the bat either, it was a slow turn.

I see where you're coming from, but the problem is the kids. Unless they just pull the trigger and turn Cena heel, you're not going to get the kids off his side. Both Punk and Rock have destroyed him on the mic this year and they're as firmly behind him as ever.

The difference now is that the rest of the crowd isn't just against Cena, they're for Punk. For years its been "I'll even take another HHH/Edge/Orton/Etc reign over Cena" but now people have someone they can actually get behind. It's been said a lot lately but this really does have the potential to be another Austin 3:16.

[Sue_Bender]

It's been said a lot lately but this really does have the potential to be another Austin 3:16.

Potential? Yes.

But they will fuck it up.

They already brought CM Punk back too quickly. And from the ENTRANCE RAMP!! He isn't employed, yet they play his choice of music, don't cut cameras, and let him in the ring at the end of their show?!

THEY COULDN'T EVEN MENTION HIM BY NAME DURING THE ENTIRE SHOW FOR BABY JESUS'S BRITCHES!!!

There is NO continuity whatsoever.

The writers aren't doing Punk any favors.

It's ham-fisted and amateurish garbage.

He will truly have to get HIMSELF over.

[TripleSkeet]

I see where you're coming from, but the problem is the kids. Unless they just pull the trigger and turn Cena heel, you're not going to get the kids off his side. Both Punk and Rock have destroyed him on the mic this year and they're as firmly behind him as ever.

The difference now is that the rest of the crowd isn't just against Cena, they're for Punk. For years its been "I'll even take another HHH/Edge/Orton/Etc reign over Cena" but now people have someone they can actually get behind. It's been said a lot lately but this really does have the potential to be another Austin 3:16.

This is true. Tonight on Jimmy Kimmel he had Punk show up at his nephews house, whos a big Cena fan. Now, when I was a kid, I was a Roddy Piper fan, but you couldve had fucking Barry Horowitz show up to my house and I wouldve lost my shit. This kid wanted nothing to do with him.

My friends son is the same way. At Wrestlemania it was me and my friend, 2 grown men in our 30s, teasing his 4 year old son because he was getting pissed off about The Rock beating up Cena. LOL

Oh also, at one point this week The Rock said something about showing up at Survivor Series this year. And about coming at Cena there.

[Sue_Bender]

The Rock said something about showing up at Survivor Series this year. And about coming on Cena there.

Fixed it for 'ya.

[TripleSkeet]

Potential? Yes.

But they will fuck it up.

They already brought CM Punk back too quickly. And from the ENTRANCE RAMP!! He isn't employed, yet they play his choice of music, don't cut cameras, and let him in the ring at the end of their show?!

THEY COULDN'T EVEN MENTION HIM BY NAME DURING THE ENTIRE SHOW FOR BABY JESUS'S BRITCHES!!!

There is NO continuity whatsoever.

The writers aren't doing Punk any favors.

It's ham-fisted and amateurish garbage.

He will truly have to get HIMSELF over.

I also wouldve liked to see them hold him out longer as well. I like these impromptu public appearances he does with the belt. They shouldve milked that longer. If they had to have a confrontation they shouldve had him come down to ringside through the fans, and hold the belt up. They couldve played the music and just said next week he had paid off a stagehand to play it at the end of the show or something.

Time will tell if they brought him back to soon or not. But now youve got 2 guys fighting for the belt again. Miz tweeted something tonight thats probably part of the work but still rings very true... "ooooo Punk and Cena....Triple H's new WWE seems a helluva lot like the old one. Yea I got 2 words for ya..."

[conman823]

The show was weak. Punk was brought back WAY too soon. I feel like it's falling flat on it's face this angle.

Meanwhile lets not overlook champ for one hour buried Mysterio. Jesus jumping Jack flash christ, why waste time with a match? HHH should have just got the new shiny belt and handed to Cena like Bischoff did for him back when.

Zack Ryder, a man who gets himself over, gets a three second joke match with Cole which was a blatant FU too people saying he should be on RAW.

And finally, can we stop with commentator angles? I just want them to get along and be somewhat entertaining.

[styckx]

I see where you're coming from, but the problem is the kids. Unless they just pull the trigger and turn Cena heel, you're not going to get the kids off his side. Both Punk and Rock have destroyed him on the mic this year and they're as firmly behind him as ever.

The difference now is that the rest of the crowd isn't just against Cena, they're for Punk. For years its been "I'll even take another HHH/Edge/Orton/Etc reign over Cena" but now people have someone they can actually get behind. It's been said a lot lately but this really does have the potential to be another Austin 3:16.

It's coming. There was subtle hints at it last night just by Cena taking a match against a guy (who was face and the kids love) who already wrestled a match that night and then holding up the paper championship belt in front of the real champion. Both heelish moves from a guy who made us nauseous for years by being Mr. Always Taking The High Road (Hustle, Loyalty and Respect) Respectful Good Guy.

[newport king]

I see the point some of u are making about how it was too soon. The problem is, WWE television has sucked for soooooooo long, casual fans that turned away like myself would never have the patience for this return to be drawn out over the course of 2 months. I do agree with the crowd being shit though.

This is easily the best storyline theyve had in years, i dont see this failing.

[styckx]

I see the point some of u are making about how it was too soon. The problem is, WWE television has sucked for soooooooo long, casual fans that turned away like myself would never have the patience for this return to be drawn out over the course of 2 months. I do agree with the crowd being shit though.

This is easily the best storyline theyve had in years, i dont see this failing.

Yep.. Plus. As extreme as a push as CM Punk is getting right now, and how quickly he's really changing the demographic he's not Austin or The Rock yet.. He's a mega star in the making but a baby still.

Austin, The Rock could take 3 months off, come back and the fans would react the same as the day they left. CM Punk is still under construction and can't afford to take off a month or two. His momentum would have died.. WWE did the right thing, and the music change was the key. They brought him back and 95% of the people had NO IDEA who it was.. He was given a future Hall Of Famer rock star style return all while WWE's `golden boy" stood in the ring looking defeated and like a guy who's time has passed. It was almost a mini torch pass and the fans put the stamp of approval on it.

[newport king]

3more things
1: does Cena know there are cameras rolling and anyone watching at home can clearly see him giving directions?
2: id love to know what they paid to use that song.
3: id never watch a Cena movie, but either hes a great actor, or when the crowd popped louder for Punk, it really hurt him, because that face of defeat was great.

[StanUpshaw]

2: id love to know what they paid to use that song.


Vince is down with the BRC

[Fallon]

2: id love to know what they paid to use that song.


They've used it before.

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[brettmojo]

Read this on LordsOfPain...

-- John Cena has now held the WWE Championship a record nine times following his title victory last night on Raw . The previous record holder was Triple H, who held the WWE Championship on eight occasions.

If Cena holds the belt through Thursday, he will move past Pedro Morales into fourth place as most combined days as WWE Champion at 1028.

[cougarjake13]

Nice call (albeit obvious)!

it was just too predictable


hopefully trips can change that a bit but in todays media world might be hard to do

[cougarjake13]

Yep.. Plus. As extreme as a push as CM Punk is getting right now, and how quickly he's really changing the demographic he's not Austin or The Rock yet.. He's a mega star in the making but a baby still.

Austin, The Rock could take 3 months off, come back and the fans would react the same as the day they left. CM Punk is still under construction and can't afford to take off a month or two. His momentum would have died.. WWE did the right thing, and the music change was the key. They brought him back and 95% of the people had NO IDEA who it was.. He was given a future Hall Of Famer rock star style return all while WWE's `golden boy" stood in the ring looking defeated and like a guy who's time has passed. It was almost a mini torch pass and the fans put the stamp of approval on it.



yeh but they could have had a few more outside the ring appearances and maybe a few in the crowd bought a ticket gimmick
and lead it up to summer slam

[epo]

yeh but they could have had a few more outside the ring appearances and maybe a few in the crowd bought a ticket gimmick
and lead it up to summer slam

Summerslam is August 14th. I'm sure thats why they brought Punk back so soon.

Plus as was mentioned...since Punk is new to being really over, they had to strike now so the crowd didn't forget him.

[cougarjake13]

Summerslam is August 14th. I'm sure thats why they brought Punk back so soon.

Plus as was mentioned...since Punk is new to being really over, they had to strike now so the crowd didn't forget him.

yeh i guess at some point he had to get back on tv to set up that match


2 weeks off of tv i guess is an eternity these days

[StanUpshaw]

The "bought a ticket" thing would make no sense, since Punk is the one who wanted to leave, and WWE was begging for him to stay.

Coming back now makes no sense because yeah, he didn't like dealing with Vince, but he also shit all over HHH, so how could he convince him?

I think the only thing that would have made sense is for HHH to come out and tell Cena and Mysterio "sorry for getting your hopes up, but your match tonight is for the #1 contendership. We have ONE heavyweight title, and the only way for one of you to get it is to beat CM Punk. I'm going to do everything in my power to bring him back where he belongs, but until then, you're fighting for second place."

You keep Punk on TV with video segments of negotiations, segments showing how happy Punk is on the outside, then finally, the Monday before the PPV (Summer Slam is too soon), something triggers his comeback. Maybe Cena goes on a huge streak and people start making a case that Cena's the "best in the world" and Punk just got lucky...something that finally convinces him to come back and defend the belt.

Having him come back immediately just drains any anticipation, and crowning a second champion makes the belt completely meaningless.

[cougarjake13]

ive always hated the bought a ticket thing but they use it so much these days i just threw it out there

[styckx]

Cena Vs Punk at Summerslam.. WWE need to do the right thing and let Punk win clean once again to solidify his The Best In The World thing. He can drop it to ADR after that since for some reason which I can not comprehend ADR is 100% promised a title run. I think he sucks, his mic work sucks, he doesn't have any above average personality, or in ring persona to carry that belt properly. We get it, you're the 5,253 wrestler in history to use the `I drive to the ring in a fancy car' gimmick. If he didn't have this big push he'd seriously be headlining WCW Thunder and squashing Barry Darsow.

[Dirtbag]

They never should have taken him off Smackdown. Despite what happened at MitB I don't think they're gonna give Christian a real chance and ADR/Orton could be a great feud.

Speaking of Smackdown, after the feud with Punk is over that's where Cena should be, especially if they won't turn him heel. Raw's ratings will be fine without him, particularly if Punk continues to explode, and SD could use the help.

[NickyL0885]

They never should have taken him off Smackdown. Despite what happened at MitB I don't think they're gonna give Christian a real chance and ADR/Orton could be a great feud.

Speaking of Smackdown, after the feud with Punk is over that's where Cena should be, especially if they won't turn him heel. Raw's ratings will be fine without him, particularly if Punk continues to explode, and SD could use the help.

Cena will never be off the Raw. It's the flagship show.

[TripleSkeet]

Cena Vs Punk at Summerslam.. WWE need to do the right thing and let Punk win clean once again to solidify his The Best In The World thing. He can drop it to ADR after that since for some reason which I can not comprehend ADR is 100% promised a title run. I think he sucks, his mic work sucks, he doesn't have any above average personality, or in ring persona to carry that belt properly. We get it, you're the 5,253 wrestler in history to use the `I drive to the ring in a fancy car' gimmick. If he didn't have this big push he'd seriously be headlining WCW Thunder and squashing Barry Darsow.

Because hes Mexican. Thats their only fucking reason and it sucks. Just read the original plan for Summerslam was to have Cena vs Del Rio and Del Rio beat him for it. They scratched that plan hours before Raw and switched it up because they felt if Punk was the main event for the PPV, his heat would be extinguished. How fucking dumb is that? He was off TV for one week and has had more heat then ever because of it.

Did Jimmy Kimmel, was shown during the MLB Cubs / Phillies game, was at Comic Con, just did an interview with Bill Simmons, etc. All in one week....where he WASNT on Raw.

But they plan on giving Del Rio a title run in the Fall because WWE has a tour in Mexico come October. Im guessing he loses it back to Cena at Survivor Series, with The Rock in attendance. Just seems so fucking silly. Like Mexican WWE fans arent going to go to the shows if he doesnt have a Mexican champ? Fucking ridiculous.

[styckx]

Because hes Mexican. Thats their only fucking reason and it sucks. Just read the original plan for Summerslam was to have Cena vs Del Rio and Del Rio beat him for it. They scratched that plan hours before Raw and switched it up because they felt if Punk was the main event for the PPV, his heat would be extinguished. How fucking dumb is that? He was off TV for one week and has had more heat then ever because of it.


Yeah, but you're talking about WWE fans who have the attention span of a day. I mean those retards in audience last night were cheering when Rey won a fake belt, they cheered when Cena won the fake belt from Rey. They were already forgetting about Punk and just accepted the fact there was a new champ and ready to proceed with life as normal as if nothing else took place this month. It took Punk coming back to remind them "Uh,, hey retards I'm the real champ, remember.. All of two weeks ago??"

[TripleSkeet]

Yeah, but you're talking about WWE fans who have the attention span of a day. I mean those retards in audience last night were cheering when Rey won a fake belt, they cheered when Cena won the fake belt from Rey. They were already forgetting about Punk and just accepted the fact there was a new champ and ready to proceed with life as normal as if nothing else took place this month. It took Punk coming back to remind them "Uh,, hey retards I'm the real champ, remember.. All of two weeks ago??"

Yea youre right. I guess it just sucks that those are the fans they try to cater too nowadays. Paul Heyman tweeted something today about "We arent going to just forget about our loyal fans to try and get new ones" it some plug for his Facebook page or some shit, but it did ring true.

[styckx]

The Bill Simmons interview with Punk is up. Awesome interview and 100% unscripted. Things are going to be good it seems. He didn't come out and say it but I definitely think he has Vince's ear. He hit on every single point we usually bitch about during RAW.

My favorite line as he was thanking Bill for giving wrestlers a platform
"I think a lot of people are embarrassed to like wrestling right now and we're here to make this shit cool again ".

[cougarjake13]

The Bill Simmons interview with Punk is up. Awesome interview and 100% unscripted. Things are going to be good it seems. He didn't come out and say it but I definitely think he has Vince's ear. He hit on every single point we usually bitch about during RAW.

My favorite line as he was thanking Bill for giving wrestlers a platform
"I think a lot of people are embarrassed to like wrestling right now and we're here to make this shit cool again ".

haha


fucking awesome

[Fallon]

I listened to the interview earlier, Punk has a lot to say and it's awesome hes getting a forum to do it.

[cougarjake13]

I listened to the interview earlier, Punk has a lot to say and it's awesome hes getting a forum to do it.

jus finished listening


great interview

[Dirtbag]

I have a very hard time believing he was set on leaving until Money in the Bank.

[cougarjake13]

I have a very hard time believing he was set on leaving until Money in the Bank.



why ???


im not saying this is how it went but heres a possibility

punks adamant that he's leaving, him and cena have a great match, cena wins, punk leaves


that was prob how it was gonna go


last minute he decides he might wanna stay, renogiates a new deal, and we have current storyline thats playing out where he leaves with belt, etc.

[TripleSkeet]

why ???


im not saying this is how it went but heres a possibility

punks adamant that he's leaving, him and cena have a great match, cena wins, punk leaves


that was prob how it was gonna go


last minute he decides he might wanna stay, renogiates a new deal, and we have current storyline thats playing out where he leaves with belt, etc.

From what I heard the original plan was what was called here. Punk wins, Del Rio jumps him, cashes in his MITB and takes the title, then defends against Cena at Summerslam. Im figuring that weekend or maybe even that day he worked out a new contract with Vince and they changed the finish.

I just heard the interview. Awesome stuff. Im fucking ready for The "Real" Era.

[Fallon]

Zach's new belt is better than the WWE Championship. How embarrassing!

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WWWYKI!!!

[TripleSkeet]

That belt is awesome actually.

[conman823]

All I know is after suffering a lot of years as a wrestling fan I'm glad to be fully interested again. If I think the angles are good/bad whatever at least I'm interested again.

I just wish TNA hadn't hired Hogan and Bischoff. Today might have been the beginning of another golden age.

[TripleSkeet]

All I know is after suffering a lot of years as a wrestling fan I'm glad to be fully interested again. If I think the angles are good/bad whatever at least I'm interested again.

I just wish TNA hadn't hired Hogan and Bischoff. Today might have been the beginning of another golden age.

Aint that the truth. I wonder whats going to happen with them. Apparently Spike TV is doing a rebranding and going to try to market to women again now. UFC is already on their way out the door. Not sure how TNA will fare. Hopefully another channel will take up their slack and start going after the guy audience. FX does a pretty good job at it.

[styckx]

RAW package from Superstars for Monday Night Raw

Check out from 6:15 on.. They packaged Punk over Cena.. Really surprised and awesome to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbF581_hB2g&feature=player_embedded#at=372

[styckx]

If you ever wondered if TNA could ever get more pathetic and desperate.

http://www.impactwrestling.com/news/item/2865-Exclusive-CM-Punk-Is-Coming-To-TNAOnDemand-com

[TripleSkeet]

If you ever wondered if TNA could ever get more pathetic and desperate.

http://www.impactwrestling.com/news/item/2865-Exclusive-CM-Punk-Is-Coming-To-TNAOnDemand-com

Terrible.

[StanUpshaw]

Why shouldn't they do that?

It's a rare wise business decision.

[styckx]

Money wise it is smart. PR wise it is stupid. This would be like Colt Cabana signing with TNA, becoming huge and WWE selling his Sunday Night Heat matches.

[StanUpshaw]

Money wise it is smart. PR wise it is stupid. This would be like Colt Cabana signing with TNA, becoming huge and WWE selling his Sunday Night Heat matches.

WWE has incentive to pretend like the competition doesn't exist. There is a MINUTE possibility that if a WWE fan finds out about TNA, WWE might end up losing some money.

There is no incentive for TNA to pretend that WWE doesn't exist. They need to pounce on any scraps they can.

[epo]

If you ever wondered if TNA could ever get more pathetic and desperate.

http://www.impactwrestling.com/news/item/2865-Exclusive-CM-Punk-Is-Coming-To-TNAOnDemand-com

Maybe it should be a good reminder to all of us that TNA doesn't have a clue when it comes to booking. Russo & jarrett have fucked that thing up so badly from the start.

[TripleSkeet]

Maybe it should be a good reminder to all of us that TNA doesn't have a clue when it comes to booking. Russo & jarrett have fucked that thing up so badly from the start.

Exactly. It shows me they had a superstar and had no idea how to use him. Im surprised this hasnt happened more often.

Plus it reeks of desperation.

[Sue_Bender]

Exactly. It shows me they had a superstar and had no idea how to use him. Im surprised this hasnt happened more often.

Plus it reeks of desperation.

Bingo!

Why offer different content?

Remind the fans who they should be following.

[StanUpshaw]

No one who is aware of TNA is unaware of WWE. The only reason anyone would care about old Punk matches is because he's hot in WWE right now...meaning they're already totally cognizant of the goings-on in WWE.

[foodcourtdruide]

Maybe it should be a good reminder to all of us that TNA doesn't have a clue when it comes to booking. Russo & jarrett have fucked that thing up so badly from the start.

How does Vince Russo still have a job as a wrestling booker? He's literally destroyed everything he's touched since the late 90's.

[TripleSkeet]

How does Vince Russo still have a job as a wrestling booker? He's literally destroyed everything he's touched since the late 90's.

I will admit this, before Hogan and Bischoff came along he was doing pretty good in TNA. He helped develop some stars and the shows were entertaining. Then those 2 came along and it went straight down the shitter.

[styckx]

What the dumbest thing is. They are promoting a rival companies top draw. They are in fact helping WWE put Punk over more by burying all their talent to promote a video of a rival companies talent.

I bet since this Punk thing started the "Wrestling Matters" company have pushed their top workers.

Oh wait.. No

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[cougarjake13]

What the dumbest thing is. They are promoting a rival companies top draw. They are in fact helping WWE put Punk over more by burying all their talent to promote a video of a rival companies talent.

I bet since this Punk thing started the "Wrestling Matters" company have pushed their top workers.

Oh wait.. No

http://i53.tinypic.com/300xpqu.png



tbh im shocked the top 2 are crimson and gunner and not some wwe retreads lower down on list

im sure by the time it ends they wont still be there

[Chimee]

The fact that Devon is even on the list is terrible. He's not even the better member of his aged tag team.

[conman823]

I'm glad Mr Anderson isn't on there. That guy should be a manager at best

[cougarjake13]

I'm glad Mr Anderson isn't on there. That guy should be a manager at best

he's not on there cause he's the champion

[Chimee]

he's not on there cause he's the champion

No, 52 year old Sting ripping off a movie character is the champion.

I cannot understand how people can look at TNA and think that it is at all entertaining when all they try to do is copy things that other people have already done better than they ever could. I'm sure in another few months they'll have someone coming out saying that they're leaving the company with the title because they were never treated well.

[cougarjake13]

No, 52 year old Sting ripping off a movie character is the champion.

I cannot understand how people can look at TNA and think that it is at all entertaining when all they try to do is copy things that other people have already done better than they ever could. I'm sure in another few months they'll have someone coming out saying that they're leaving the company with the title because they were never treated well.

when the fuck did that happen ?

last i watched a week or 2 ago it was still anderson

[styckx]

I watched this week for the first time in 6 months. It is awful. They are working up a Sting Vs Hogan match at a PPV. Garbage abyss was in a X division match, they are using canned crowd noise every fucking where now. And Eric bischoff was held hostage in his office by a bird Sting released in there.

Yah rly

[Fallon]

That belt is awesome actually.

It's a handsome belt!!

http://www.wildcatbelts.com/zr.htm

[styckx]

That thing looks legit. And by legit I mean something WWE paid for and plan to maybe use on TV legit.

[styckx]

Alex Riley has a new move. And.... It is easily the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

Go to 9:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZnek02R9B4&sns=em

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Alex Riley has a new move. And.... It is easily the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

Go to 9:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZnek02R9B4&sns=em

it's just the ary elbow

[spe5150]

Alex Riley has a new move. And.... It is easily the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

Go to 9:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZnek02R9B4&sns=em

OK, I was listening to an old Ron & Fez show, so I watched the clip on mute. I see a silly elbow drop, but nothing to really write home about.

Then I re-watch it with the sound because I figure there's got to be more to it. WOW, was that cringe-worthy. I get uncomfortable when John Sterling uses the "A-Bomb from A-Rod" line. If you're a wrestling announcer, though, I would think you have to be up on popular culture enough to know that if you're stealing a line from a baseball play-by-play guy, don't steal the one that even the fans of the team he calls for can't stand. Just awful.

[Sue_Bender]

And Eric bischoff was held hostage in his office by a bird Sting released in there.

Yah rly

I was just getting used to Joker Sting, and NOW we're given Bird Sting?

This is getting ridiculousioso.

[Sue_Bender]

Alex Riley has a new move. And.... It is easily the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

Go to 9:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZnek02R9B4&sns=em

Have you ever seen John Cena's 5 Knuckle Shuffle?

THAT has impact.

[cougarjake13]

Alex Riley has a new move. And.... It is easily the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

Go to 9:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZnek02R9B4&sns=em

right up til the elbow it looks like the rocks setup

[styckx]

It isn't the move itself. It is the gay shit with throwing a air grenade and catching it to execute the move.

Oh and the Sting bird shit. Someone put all the segments in a video and added applause and a laugh track to emphasize the stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UowQAxWKitc&sns=em

[StanUpshaw]

Oh god...you just reminded me that tonight I'm going to have to listen to Mauro Renallo call the Strikeforce show and listen to him try to get over "the H-Bomb" as the name for Dan Henderson's overhand right.

I get such an uncomfortable feeling when I listen to Mauro call a fight...it's like a 15 minute version of the father and son scene in Happiness.

[TripleSkeet]

Alex Riley has a new move. And.... It is easily the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

Go to 9:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZnek02R9B4&sns=em

That was fucking attrocious. And whoever is doing the announcing is the worst wrestling announcer Ive ever heard, and thats after listening to him for 30 seconds.

If your gonna have a move featuring "the grenade" shouldnt it belong to Zack Ryder anyway???

[Sue_Bender]

It isn't the move itself. It is the gay shit with throwing a air grenade and catching it to execute the move.

Oh and the Sting bird shit. Someone put all the segments in a video and added applause and a laugh track to emphasize the stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UowQAxWKitc&sns=em

Terrifyingly bad.



FUCK.

[cougarjake13]

That was fucking attrocious. And whoever is doing the announcing is the worst wrestling announcer Ive ever heard, and thats after listening to him for 30 seconds.

If your gonna have a move featuring "the grenade" shouldnt it belong to Zack Ryder anyway???

yeh the one guy is josh matthews


dont know the other one

[styckx]

Most Epic opening to RAW in over 7 years. HHH killed, Punk killed.. Crowd = Thoroughly brainfucked. I LOVED IT.. God damn..

[Kevin]

Most Epic opening to RAW in over 7 years. HHH killed, Punk killed.. Crowd = Thoroughly brainfucked. I LOVED IT.. God damn..

eh, i actually thought the crowed sucked and the dialogue seemed kinda forced..

[StanUpshaw]

Kelly Kelly and Michael Cole bickering about Photoshop.



Breathtaking.

[cougarjake13]

eh, i actually thought the crowed sucked and the dialogue seemed kinda forced..

still

its better than the crap were used to

[Kevin]

still

its better than the crap were used to

Thats like a Mets fan saying that...



Sorry..

[Kevin]

Del Rio is terrible.

From mic skills to wrestling.

[styckx]

Del Rio is terrible.

From mic skills to wrestling.

He's awful. The dude has be given a careers worth of heel pushes back to back to back to back to back to back to back and still draws no heat at all. You could hear a pin drop during his entrance.. It's awful to think he is being handed the belt soon.

[styckx]

I wish WWE would stop pulling WCW tricks with crowd noise.

Cena got massively boo'ed twice tonight, "meh" reception when his named dropped other times. Ok reception when his music hit. Then somehow, at the end while his music is playing the entire arena magically can pop so loud it drowns out his theme song?

You can hear the cuts in the audio during their promos.. Volume drastically turned up or down with the mics in the crowd.

/ending was gay

[Fallon]

/ending was gay

^that

[conman823]

Yeah the ending was gay. The only one with any sense was Triple H for leaving.

Also my wife wants to know if they can't call him Hunter, what do you call him? Mr.H?
Helmsley? Paul?

[Sue_Bender]

eh, i actually thought the crowed sucked and the dialogue seemed kinda forced..

QFT.

[conman823]

The crowd was terrible. I'm really passed the whole "What? " chants. It's the only thing SCSA ever did that I want to spit in his eye for

[Kevin]

The 3 main issues I see with Punk is.

1: He is trying too hard to garner support with the fans. W
hat made him popular to this point and what aslo made Stone Cold popular is that they did not show that they gave a shit about popularity. They just did their own shit. Punk is explaining too much. Its like a bad writer. Which the WWE is full of.

2 I think Punk is not a great actor and just seems like he is reading off a SNL teleprompter. It just does not look and sound natural.

3 I just not like the music he chose. It just once again seems like he is trying too hard to tell you what he is. And its just not a good fit.

I think his old song was much better. From start to finish.

I hope it gets better because its a great angle but its just off.

[Chimee]

The crowd was terrible. I'm really passed the whole "What? " chants. It's the only thing SCSA ever did that I want to spit in his eye for

The fact that you could hear Vickie Guerrero during her promo proves that the crowd was terrible.

[styckx]

The 3 main issues I see with Punk is.

1: He is trying too hard to garner support with the fans. W
hat made him popular to this point and what aslo made Stone Cold popular is that they did not show that they gave a shit about popularity. They just did their own shit. Punk is explaining too much. Its like a bad writer. Which the WWE is full of.

2 I think Punk is not a great actor and just seems like he is reading off a SNL teleprompter. It just does not look and sound natural.

3 I just not like the music he chose. It just once again seems like he is trying too hard to tell you what he is. And its just not a good fit.

I think his old song was much better. From start to finish.

I hope it gets better because its a great angle but its just off.

Shoot promo, and contract negotiations Punk was a natural. You could tell he wasn't reciting a script word for word and just speaking naturally.

Last night he was reciting lines and it was very evident. Same goes for HHH and Cena. There was zero chemistry between any of them.

The writers really screwed the pooch last night on the story making sense though. Punk worked like 3 different roles last night.. Heel/Tweener/Face.. Cena taking some of Punks "anti establishment" gimmick is fucking retarded coming from a guy who is the WWE golden boy and givin everything. Him mocking john laurinaitis for being a yes man made no fucking sense. Like Cena has suffered from all the corporate politics backstage??

[cougarjake13]

Del Rio is terrible.

From mic skills to wrestling.



on this we agree


not sure why they keep pushing him so hard


they shoulda left him on sd!

[cougarjake13]

Shoot promo, and contract negotiations Punk was a natural. You could tell he wasn't reciting a script word for word and just speaking naturally.

Last night he was reciting lines and it was very evident. Same goes for HHH and Cena. There was zero chemistry between any of them.

The writers really screwed the pooch last night on the story making sense though. Punk worked like 3 different roles last night.. Heel/Tweener/Face.. Cena taking some of Punks "anti establishment" gimmick is fucking retarded coming from a guy who is the WWE golden boy and givin everything. Him mocking john laurinaitis for being a yes man made no fucking sense. Like Cena has suffered from all the corporate politics backstage??



well that kinda used to be cena's gimmick way back in the day

[conman823]

Johnny Ace was the only one in the ring making any sense. John Cena SHOULD be stripped of the title. He didn't even compete in the torny for the belt.

If they relieved Vince of his duties for questionable decisions then HHH might be next. CM Punk didn't even use that to his advantage on the promo instead all we got was cheap shots at HHH's family life.

[TripleSkeet]

Just got to watch Raw. All I have to say is Santino and Zack Ryder should be made tag champs. Ive gotta get that cobra sleeve.

[styckx]

John Lauranitus could be an epic heel. He needs to be on TV a lot.

http://vids.wwe.com/12805/wwecom-exclusive-wwe-evp-of-tale

His WWE interview is gold. Troll face, douchey personality, douche hair, douche smile, pompous unwarranted self importance, HHH shrine, name dropping, and making it sound like he is gods answer to pro wrestling.

Also Punks shirt is the #2 top selling item. J.R. blogged it is the hottest selling shirt WWE has sold in years.

[spe5150]

Also Punks shirt is the #2 top selling item. J.R. blogged it is the hottest selling shirt WWE has sold in years.

It's insane. The original ones that were sold only at the PPV with the date were selling on eBay for $300-$500. This angle got people so pumped for wrestling for the first time in so long it was lunacy, especially for those first 2 weeks.

[cougarjake13]

Just got to watch Raw. All I have to say is Santino and Zack Ryder should be made tag champs. Ive gotta get that cobra sleeve.

someone may have had your exact idea as santinos current tag partner, kozlov, has been future endeavored

[StanUpshaw]

Also Punks shirt is the #2 top selling item. J.R. blogged it is the hottest selling shirt WWE has sold in years.

Are you pointing out the contradiction? I don't get your meaning.

[cougarjake13]

Are you pointing out the contradiction? I don't get your meaning.

i think he's saying that its currently number 2

but in terms of volume sold in short amount of time its the hottest item




thats my interpretation anyway

[styckx]

Was just saying it is doing extremely well and JR confirming it. Ie: Punk is connecting and maybe the years of garbage WWE are finally in the past for good.

[TripleSkeet]

Are you pointing out the contradiction? I don't get your meaning.

Its number 2 and its only been out a month. Thats huge. Im betting number 1 is Cenas and thats been out since at least April.

[StanUpshaw]

Its number 2 and its only been out a month. Thats huge. Im betting number 1 is Cenas and thats been out since at least April.

#2 this week? this month? this year? all time???

[cougarjake13]

#2 this week? this month? this year? all time???

all and none of the above

[TripleSkeet]

#2 this week? this month? this year? all time???



I think they keep track of items for as long as they've been on the shop zone. You can't just buy any wrestling shirt that's ever been there. Of all the items on the site, that shirt has sold the 2nd most so far. And it's most likely been there less time then all the others.

[StanUpshaw]

You think?

[CYYYFYYY]

I ordered a C.M Punk shirt from the WWE, and I received a message I can either wait 30 days to get it due to the enormous amount of orders they have or cancel. I decided to wait.

[Chimee]

I'd buy one and then write in the Money in the Bank date so I could feel special.

[brettmojo]

I love the Rock.

[brettmojo]

John Cena = Tim Tebow with sweatbands.

[styckx]

WWE just reinvented Cenas career tonight.. Punk was AMAZING and as much as I hate saying it, so was Cena..

Epic ending to RAW and.... Different.. Thank god.. WWE is actually fucking trying and I'm floored.

[Kevin]

Now thats a fucking segment.

Best i have seen in maybe a decade.

CM Was back to what he was pre contract.

Cena was great too

I was dying at the funkman stuff.

He sounds and look like superdave in Curb

[styckx]

WWE is showing Russo how to correctly break kayfabe to promote an angle without making yourself look like an attention seeking piece of shit douchebag.

I'm loling at the epic segment as much as I'm loling at Russo and TNA.. They can't hold a candle to this shit.. Not even on their best day.

[spe5150]

I was dying at the funkman stuff.

He sounds and look like superdave in Curb

It's been driving me nuts for weeks, that's who Laurinaitis reminds me of...it's Funkhouser! I didn't even get it when he started calling him Funkman because I was laughing so hard think about our own Funkman. Damn, that's funy.

[TripleSkeet]

Nope. That was fantastic. A really well done episode of Raw. The only thing missing was Santino and Ryder.

At the end when Punk was going off on Johnny Ace about firing Chris Masters and Kozlov....that was just fantastic.

I also liked Cena mentioning just about everything he gets criticized for online.

[styckx]

I'm convinced Vince McMahon was just introduced to the internet two months ago.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm convinced Vince McMahon was just introduced to the internet two months ago.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[conman823]

I'm the anonymous WWE Creative Staff member. I only send in my ideas via laptop.

[newport king]

as much as we're all enjoying punk (even though his finisher is still kind of rough) i have to say, since day 1 of this feud cena has played his part extremely well.

[conman823]

You read plenty of reports about Cena speaking out backstage against certain issues. I think he sees this the same way we do, as an evolution in the business. Who isn't for good change that draws big $$?

[TripleSkeet]

You read plenty of reports about Cena speaking out backstage against certain issues. I think he sees this the same way we do, as an evolution in the business. Who isn't for good change that draws big $$?

Ive always said I think Cena is a class act, and interested in doing the right thing. I also think hes a legit main eventer. I just dont like his gimmick. He even said it last night, hes Hogan but without cupping the ear. Personally I always like Piper and Randy Savage more.

And I get why McMahon keeps that gimmick because little kids love it, and it gives his company a wholesome image again which helps if your wife is running for public office. But I mean its just so weird having him come out with his "never give up" slogan and cowtowing to the crowd, just to hear him get booed out of half the arenas.

Its kind of a shame because for a guy like him the old time territories wouldve been perfect. He couldve went down and played the hero for all the hayseeds then come back up north and become the heel he was really good at. The best part is that video of The Rock making fun of his jean shorts came out last month, and last week he was on Twitter asking fans to come up with ideas for new ring attire because he was looking to change things up.

[styckx]

Ive always said I think Cena is a class act, and interested in doing the right thing. I also think hes a legit main eventer. I just dont like his gimmick. He even said it last night, hes Hogan but without cupping the ear. Personally I always like Piper and Randy Savage more.

And I get why McMahon keeps that gimmick because little kids love it, and it gives his company a wholesome image again which helps if your wife is running for public office. But I mean its just so weird having him come out with his "never give up" slogan and cowtowing to the crowd, just to hear him get booed out of half the arenas.

Its kind of a shame because for a guy like him the old time territories wouldve been perfect. He couldve went down and played the hero for all the hayseeds then come back up north and become the heel he was really good at. The best part is that video of The Rock making fun of his jean shorts came out last month, and last week he was on Twitter asking fans to come up with ideas for new ring attire because he was looking to change things up.

You should listen to Punks new interview with Mark Madden he did before RAW: http://www.1059thex.com/cc-common/podcast/single_page.html?more_page=&podcast=MarkMadden&selected_podcast=CM%2520Punk.mp3

He opened some insight into what they're trying to do here. He mentioned at the house shows how incredible the dynamic in the crowds have been between his fans and cena fans. He specially mentioned seeing stuff like "A kid wearing a Cena shirt and his dad wearing a CM Punk shirt"

It's pretty smart idea. Entertain the adults, at the same time not burying Cena and still let the kids love him while us adults finally have something to be entertained by again.

Two birds with one stone.

[TripleSkeet]

You should listen to Punks new interview with Mark Madden he did before RAW: http://www.1059thex.com/cc-common/podcast/single_page.html?more_page=&podcast=MarkMadden&selected_podcast=CM%2520Punk.mp3

He opened some insight into what they're trying to do here. He mentioned at the house shows how incredible the dynamic in the crowds have been between his fans and cena fans. He specially mentioned seeing stuff like "A kid wearing a Cena shirt and his dad wearing a CM Punk shirt"

It's pretty smart idea. Entertain the adults, at the same time not burying Cena and still let the kids love him while us adults finally have something to be entertained by again.

Two birds with one stone.

I gotta listen to it when I get home. But Im glad. I think thats all the people that pined for the Attitude Era wanted. We didnt want the WWE to just ignore kids, but dont forget about the adults that helped turn you in a mega millionaire, when you were on the verge of going out of business either.

Old style Raw catered to everyone. It didnt just leave out the kids while the Attitude Era was going on. Ever since the PG Era came about, it seemed like the WWE only worried about kids and their parents, and basically forgot about the men that enjoyed wrestling and helped make them as big as they were. They didnt leave anything for us to enjoy on the show. Im glad they are trying to bring back something for the guys to enjoy.

[brettmojo]

I'm convinced Vince McMahon was just introduced to the internet two months ago.

He's been reading pro wrestling forums and feverishly masturbating...

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQMnV2HW6LhgBXOAf2s0UPN9N_d70aD-6vJQtrJXjuQZDh30fnKjQ

[brettmojo]

Here's the whole video from last night's RAW with the Rock talking trash about Cena.

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[TripleSkeet]

The video is from July 13th....



I agree. However, I think with the recent "work" angles with CM Punk and R-Truth to a lesser degree, I think the WWE will start "shooting" more in social networking circles as to enhance said product. side note, I think they were trying to push R-Truth into that recent "punk-shoot" angle .. but he failed and it came off comedic.

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[Dirtbag]

I was surprised Cena didn't take advantage of the obvious shot and just say something to the effect of "I thought that video was funny when Dwayne posted it a month ago."

Edit: As I post this, they are talking about Punk/Cena on PTI. Wow.

[TripleSkeet]

John Lauranitus could be an epic heel. He needs to be on TV a lot.

http://vids.wwe.com/12805/wwecom-exclusive-wwe-evp-of-tale

His WWE interview is gold. Troll face, douchey personality, douche hair, douche smile, pompous unwarranted self importance, HHH shrine, name dropping, and making it sound like he is gods answer to pro wrestling.

Also Punks shirt is the #2 top selling item. J.R. blogged it is the hottest selling shirt WWE has sold in years.

From LordsofPain
- Vince McMahon reportedly does not want John Laurinaitis to have a speaking role on WWE TV anymore as he feels Laurinaitis can't cut a good promo.

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[Bob Impact]

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

nonononono I need more Laurinaitis, not less!

[cougarjake13]

You should listen to Punks new interview with Mark Madden he did before RAW: http://www.1059thex.com/cc-common/podcast/single_page.html?more_page=&podcast=MarkMadden&selected_podcast=CM%2520Punk.mp3

He opened some insight into what they're trying to do here. He mentioned at the house shows how incredible the dynamic in the crowds have been between his fans and cena fans. He specially mentioned seeing stuff like "A kid wearing a Cena shirt and his dad wearing a CM Punk shirt"

It's pretty smart idea. Entertain the adults, at the same time not burying Cena and still let the kids love him while us adults finally have something to be entertained by again.

Two birds with one stone.




great interview and im loving all the mainstream pub

[cougarjake13]

I was surprised Cena didn't take advantage of the obvious shot and just say something to the effect of "I thought that video was funny when Dwayne posted it a month ago."

Edit: As I post this, they are talking about Punk/Cena on PTI. Wow.



yeh he could and then punk coulda said well at the time it came out i was on my way out so i didnt care but since im here now its fitting

[conman823]

I kinda don't like the Triple H factor in this match. Unless it leads to Punk vs Trips

[TripleSkeet]

I kinda don't like the Triple H factor in this match. Unless it leads to Punk vs Trips

Rumors are Punk vs Austin at Mania. They had a fun little back ands forth on Twitter awhile back. Plus Punk kind takes small jabs at the Attitude Era and The Rock as being outdated. Austin has said hed consider it. It would be a pretty cool Mania if they pitted Attitude Era stars against the stars of today.

You could have guys like Rock, Austin, HHH, Taker, Foley, Big Show, Kane, and Christian pitted against guys like Cena, Punk, Orton, Miz, Morrison, Kingston, Del Rio and R Truth. Not sure how I would form the leadup but it could be really interesting if they went in that kind of direction.

[StanUpshaw]

I really hate that song and it's making me hate Punk.

[cougarjake13]

Rumors are Punk vs Austin at Mania. They had a fun little back ands forth on Twitter awhile back. Plus Punk kind takes small jabs at the Attitude Era and The Rock as being outdated. Austin has said hed consider it. It would be a pretty cool Mania if they pitted Attitude Era stars against the stars of today.

You could have guys like Rock, Austin, HHH, Taker, Foley, Big Show, Kane, and Christian pitted against guys like Cena, Punk, Orton, Miz, Morrison, Kingston, Del Rio and R Truth. Not sure how I would form the leadup but it could be really interesting if they went in that kind of direction.

they could just keep it simple and just have the new guys talking trash bout attitude guys

attitude guys show randomly and cut promos and what not


make it almost like a one night stand type ppv

[styckx]

Punks shirt is now the #1 top seller on wweshop! Awesome stuff since we all know money talks in WWE. :)

[brettmojo]

Punks shirt is now the #1 top seller on wweshop! Awesome stuff since we all know money talks in WWE. :)
But but but... Only faces sell merch... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf

[Kevin]

Punks shirt is now the #1 top seller on wweshop! Awesome stuff since we all know money talks in WWE. :)

Hopefully this stops the insanity of giving Deljobber the belt.

[StanUpshaw]

But but but... Only faces sell merch... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf

He is the face.

[cougarjake13]

Hopefully this stops the insanity of giving Deljobber the belt.

me as well


id be fine with moving him back to sd! and let him have that belt and bring orton back to raw

[epo]

He is the face.

With adults, yes.
With kids, no.

Its really interesting to see the WWE figure this out about their audience. I'll be intrigued to see how they play this dynamic.

[TripleSkeet]

He is the face.

Yet he hasnt changed one thing about his character from when he was a heel. Hes feuding with whats supposed to be the biggest face in the world right now. His character throws their stupid "only good guys sell merch" belief right out the window.

[StanUpshaw]

Yet he hasnt changed one thing about his character from when he was a heel. Hes feuding with whats supposed to be the biggest face in the world right now. His character throws their stupid "only good guys sell merch" belief right out the window.

No one ever says "only good guys sell merch." They say "heels don't sell merch."

[TripleSkeet]

No one ever says "only good guys sell merch." They say "heels don't sell merch."

Both are equally wrong.

[StanUpshaw]

kay

[Dirtbag]

The exceptions to that rule are huge exceptions (nWo, Austin, Rock, DX), but for the most part its fairly accurate.

[TripleSkeet]

The exceptions to that rule are huge exceptions (nWo, Austin, Rock, DX), but for the most part its fairly accurate.

Not really. You mentioned main eventers. Taker when he was a heel. HBK as a heel. HHH as a heel. Roddy Piper. Randy Savage.

The heels that dont move merch are just like the faces that dont. Mid-carders that just dont have what it takes to be big time. Sometimes you see exceptions (The Hardys) but usually unless its something really cool and unique to the wrestler like Mysterios mask, most people just spend on the main eventers. It doesnt help that its like $30 a shirt either. For that price, most people are just gonna buy one, and no matter how much your kid might like John Morrison, if he can only get one, hes going for the main eventer.

Looking back it amazes me how much money the NWA left on the table by not putting out some quality merchandise during the 80s. The WWF was printing money with Hulkamania and Hot Rod shirts, and Randy Savage foam fingers, while NWA did pretty much nothing with guys like Sting, Flair, Dusty, Magnum TA, The Road Warriors, The Koloffs, etc.

[cougarjake13]

prob why the nwa is no longer relevant

[StanUpshaw]

Couple dummies right here:

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[TripleSkeet]

Couple dummies right here:

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I still stand by my opinion. I guess they dont count all that Austin merch because when he was a heel so many people bought his shit and cheered him on they made him a face...so that dont count. Same with The Rock. Same with DX. nWo never turned face and still outsold the rest of the WCW merch combined.

But hey look at how much Kofi Kingston and John Morrison merch that sells. I Evan Borunes stuff cant stop flying off the shelves.

[TripleSkeet]

Couple dummies right here:

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I still stand by my opinion. I guess they dont count all that Austin merch because when he was a heel so many people bought his shit and cheered him on they made him a face...so that dont count. Same with The Rock. Same with DX. nWo never turned face and still outsold the rest of the WCW merch combined.

But hey look at how much Kofi Kingston and John Morrison merch that sells. I Evan Borunes stuff cant stop flying off the shelves.

Also, people forget, John Cena got over as a heel. Thats when people started buying his shit, not when he became a good guy.

[CruelCircus]

So I just watched that last hour of Raw on Universal.

Fantastic. Punk was great. The use of the Rock's vid was great, and yes, Cena did the exact right thing by not calling out that it was a month old. Cena was actually perfect. As much as he drives us nuts, it's only fair to give him credit when it's due. I gave up on WWE almost 2 years ago, and they have me seriously considering buying this PPV. (Not to mention Punk's T-shirt... the last one of those I bought was the EC F'n W shirt...)

I don't know the upcoming schedule, but they need to get Punk over in the Garden ASAP. With what he's doing now, they could make 20,000 sound just like the Hammerstein.. It'd be amazing.

[Kevin]

Im just worried that this is all short lived with that dumb bitch running for senate again.

Hopefully that is why Vince went off cam and HHH took over.

Maybe Vince not being "The Boss" Will seperate the WWE from her and her awful non winning campaigne.

[Chimee]

So I just watched that last hour of Raw on Universal.

Fantastic. Punk was great. The use of the Rock's vid was great, and yes, Cena did the exact right thing by not calling out that it was a month old. Cena was actually perfect. As much as he drives us nuts, it's only fair to give him credit when it's due. I gave up on WWE almost 2 years ago, and they have me seriously considering buying this PPV. (Not to mention Punk's T-shirt... the last one of those I bought was the EC F'n W shirt...)

I don't know the upcoming schedule, but they need to get Punk over in the Garden ASAP. With what he's doing now, they could make 20,000 sound just like the Hammerstein.. It'd be amazing.

That segment showed that when Cena doesn't come out to be goofy and entertain children, he can be quite effective on the mic, especially when paired with someone as great as Punk.

[styckx]

Well that ending is exactly what everyone expected to happen. Nash appearing was the worst surprise appearance ever. Distraction at most to take away from a otherwise predictable as shit ending. Way to not surprise anyone.

[TripleSkeet]

Im not sure how I feel about that main event. It was definitely entertaining and unexpected, so that was good. But Kevin Nash? Punk is the hottest thing in wrestling and youre going to drop him into a feud with a has been?

And Del Rio as champ to go feud with Cena? Ugh. I see them ruining everything good that theyve built. Maybe Im just being pessimistic but Its because more often then not they take good angles in the WWE and fuck them up somehow...and it looks like it may continue.

[styckx]

Im not sure how I feel about that main event. It was definitely entertaining and unexpected, so that was good. But Kevin Nash? Punk is the hottest thing in wrestling and youre going to drop him into a feud with a has been?

And Del Rio as champ to go feud with Cena? Ugh. I see them ruining everything good that theyve built. Maybe Im just being pessimistic but Its because more often then not they take good angles in the WWE and fuck them up somehow...and it looks like it may continue.

What sucks was the match had the crowd on the edge of their seat.. They were there with every move. When it ended, the crowd knew and we knew it wasn't a natural ending and only finished to setup the swerve/surprise. They were working up another 5* match but that knee jerk un-natural ending killed it.