Monday Night RAW Discussion

[CYYYFYYY]

The WWe sends there wrestlers for the solders, yes it is good press and yes it gets good ratings, Bob Hope made his name by visiting the solders, was it self promotion or because he gave a damn. Van Dam always refused to go and this pissed off McMahon and one of the many reasons that hurt his push. his shows to me he cares to a degree

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I still think it'll be nice when the WWE doesn't have to go there anymore because it'll mean our boys are back home safe and sound.

[Fallon]

A little help here?

I'm taking the boys to see "WWE Presents RAW Live" this Friday night in Mobile, Al.

Are the Friday night events live? Or even recorded?

The tickets are a surprise, so I can't ask them.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Yeah, I got tix for Jan 8th as a xmas present for my nephew. I haven't been to a house show in years, but if I remember correctly it's a better show. No backstage shit and you'll get marquee matches.

[Chimee]

Yeah, everyone wants to see a show headlined by Sheamus and Mark Henry.

[Fallon]

Yeah, everyone wants to see a show headlined by Sheamus and Mark Henry.

The card listed right now is:
THE HEARTBREAK KID" SHAWN MICHAELS
vs.
WWE CHAMPION SHEAMUS
-WWE CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH-
***
"THE GAME" TRIPLE H
vs.
"THE WORLD'S LARGEST ATHLETE" BIG SHOW
***
"THE VIPER" RANDY ORTON
vs.
KOFI KINGSTON

[TripleSkeet]

I liked house shows because the wrestlers usually do shit they cant do on live tv like talk back to the audience and fuck around during the match to make you laugh.

[Dirtbag]

The last house show I went to Kurt Angle stuck around after his match and trashed the crowd for like 5 minutes. It was great.

[hit11man]

Oh I honestly believe HE think there is nothing wrong with how he acts. He puts it all out there in his book, and doesn't see anything wrong with it. Ego is a deadly thing.

As far as his Video/ Image rights he should have considered that before punching Vince. Owens death was not the platform to shoehorn in his request for rights to his character.

In the book he clearly states that he turned down the first offer with WCW because he felt Vince would do right by him. Vince did, and gave him a fat contract a top spot etc. Now Vince balking on the deal and telling him he was gonna pay him on the backend was dirty pool no doubt. So Bret jumped took and took the money.

Taker and Micheals, now that loyalty. Never budged, and Micheal could have make a fucking FOURTUNE with Nash and Hall running wild over there in WCW.

I will say Hart book and Bobby Heenans are probably the best books out there.

vince never fucked over taker or michaels like he did hart. supposedly taker almost left over the whole thing. i think harts is definately one of the best books. also thought dynamite kid's was up there.

[CYYYFYYY]

I had issues with the HArt book becuase he kept complainng they took the belt away from him too quick. It was a constant. I then checked how many actual days he held the belt....In total days he held it longer than HHH, Michaels, Rock and Austin.... He is only happy when he is the champ. Annoying he got his share

[TjM]

I can't believe neither Fez nor Sam knew Shamus is actually from Dublin and a real irishman

[TjM]

The last house show I went to Kurt Angle stuck around after his match and trashed the crowd for like 5 minutes. It was great.


Last HS I went to The Rock and Foley must have clowned around for about 20 minutes after the show. It was hysterical

[cougarjake13]

The card listed right now is:
THE HEARTBREAK KID" SHAWN MICHAELS
vs.
WWE CHAMPION SHEAMUS
-WWE CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH-
***
"THE GAME" TRIPLE H
vs.
"THE WORLD'S LARGEST ATHLETE" BIG SHOW
***
"THE VIPER" RANDY ORTON
vs.
KOFI KINGSTON



only problem is you know damn well sheamus aint losing to hbk in a house match

[conman823]

I had issues with the HArt book becuase he kept complainng they took the belt away from him too quick. It was a constant. I then checked how many actual days he held the belt....In total days he held it longer than HHH, Michaels, Rock and Austin.... He is only happy when he is the champ. Annoying he got his share

Although Bret Hart was an excellent wrestler, and over with the fans he got a big negative in the "Charisma" department. I think that is where the bitterness with Micheals started. Micheals could work AND work the crowd.

Also a "You gotta be kidding me" moment in the book was his talking about the whole SS match with Davey Boy. You expect me to believe he did EVERYTHING? That Davey, who at the time was an experienced worker, just plain turned retard out there? Or was it that this was one of the best matches of his career and had to hog the glory....from a dead man.

[Chimee]

RAW opens with a blonde woman with a golf club chasing a guy in a tiger suit. I quit.

[whorehay]

Don't quit now.. You'll miss little peoples court!

[RingWraith]

RAW opens with a blonde woman with a golf club chasing a guy in a tiger suit. I quit.

Yeah, that was awful. :thumbdown:

[CYYYFYYY]

As a defender of Raw I have to admit this one was pretty damn bad. The whole DX under the ring. It is just horrible. So bad it was worse than blondie chasing after a tiger

[TripleSkeet]

I havent seen it yet but I did catch the end at a bar last night. That fake digitalized snow was a perfect example of just another thing they do wrong in the WWE. 10 years ago Vince wouldve had bags of fake snow dumped and blowing around the entire arena making the effect look cool as shit. Now they just half ass it.

[paulisded]

I havent seen it yet but I did catch the end at a bar last night. That fake digitalized snow was a perfect example of just another thing they do wrong in the WWE. 10 years ago Vince wouldve had bags of fake snow dumped and blowing around the entire arena making the effect look cool as shit. Now they just half ass it.

They should just start airing this on Saturday morning. It really is as mindless as the Disney/Power Ranger/etc. crap that airs for preschoolers.

[Dirtbag]

That's been the strangest thing about this whole PG experiment to me. If Vince wants to go after the 8-14 crowd, why the fuck is Raw still on at 9 PM on Monday? Last time they tried this the syndicated weekend shows were the big thing and Prime Time Wrestling was just getting turned into Raw.

[conman823]

Advertiseing revenue is greater on Monday Nights.

[Bob Impact]

Although Bret Hart was an excellent wrestler, and over with the fans he got a big negative in the "Charisma" department. I think that is where the bitterness with Micheals started. Micheals could work AND work the crowd.

Also a "You gotta be kidding me" moment in the book was his talking about the whole SS match with Davey Boy. You expect me to believe he did EVERYTHING? That Davey, who at the time was an experienced worker, just plain turned retard out there? Or was it that this was one of the best matches of his career and had to hog the glory....from a dead man.

Not that I'm a big Hart supporter but I always thought he had charisma but ONLY when wrestling, he was death in an interview, with the notable exception of "He's a high flyer of the highest magnitude" in wcw. and for the SS match, didnt he say davey boy was injured and that's why he carried the match?

[Dirtbag]

Advertiseing revenue is greater on Monday Nights.

Sure it is, if they were still going after males 18-34. When I was in the demo they're now shooting for I had to go to bed at 9 PM and watch it the next day on tape.

[asayresk]

The only good segment on Raw was the Kofi kingston Push & mae young kisssing Johnny Damon. Other then that RAw was horrible.:down:

[TripleSkeet]

I finally watched it. :down:

What the fuck are they doing to my beloved wrestling? This is the horseshit Lance Storm was talking about. If your going to take some of the wrestling away, and turn Raw into a tv show, at least make it like a realistic drama. Like Law & Order. Tonight I felt like I was watching an episode of Spongebob.

A hallway under the ring? Really? Whoevers idea that was should be fired. And thats just the tip of the iceberg. Heres the other things fucked up with this Raw:

- Johnny Damon as host. What the fuck was he plugging anyway? His free agency? The fact that he may be the worlds worst actor? "I didnt sign on........for....this."

- The chick chasing the tiger. I dont mind poking fun of celebs in the news, but at least have it make fucking sense!

- Little Peoples Court. Not only was this whole segment horrendous....but they played it twice. And why the fuck dont any of the midgets talk?

- The DX plugs. They were funny at first, theyve now crossed the line to pathetic.

- I didnt mind the fake Santas...but they were kind of weak. Santino Claus was awesome though. Would be nice if they let the guy have a fucking offensive maneuver once in awhile.

- I love that there are still a few cities with people smart enough to boo John Cena.

- The fake snow I already talked about. So hack. Just CGI the fucking wrestlers already. You already script every move they do and word they say. Then you dont have to pay them either.

[RingWraith]

I finally watched it. :down:

What the fuck are they doing to my beloved wrestling? This is the horseshit Lance Storm was talking about. If your going to take some of the wrestling away, and turn Raw into a tv show, at least make it like a realistic drama. Like Law & Order. Tonight I felt like I was watching an episode of Spongebob.

A hallway under the ring? Really? Whoevers idea that was should be fired. And thats just the tip of the iceberg. Heres the other things fucked up with this Raw:

- Johnny Damon as host. What the fuck was he plugging anyway? His free agency? The fact that he may be the worlds worst actor? "I didnt sign on........for....this."

- The chick chasing the tiger. I dont mind poking fun of celebs in the news, but at least have it make fucking sense!

- Little Peoples Court. Not only was this whole segment horrendous....but they played it twice. And why the fuck dont any of the midgets talk?

- The DX plugs. They were funny at first, theyve now crossed the line to pathetic.

- I didnt mind the fake Santas...but they were kind of weak. Santino Claus was awesome though. Would be nice if they let the guy have a fucking offensive maneuver once in awhile.

- I love that there are still a few cities with people smart enough to boo John Cena.

- The fake snow I already talked about. So hack. Just CGI the fucking wrestlers already. You already script every move they do and word they say. Then you dont have to pay them either.


I think Damon was promoting some charitable foundation he's doing. I forget when they plugged it.
WWE should've had done the "little people's court" Verne Troyer was hosting, but nooooo!!! They didn't. At least he's capable of talking compared to the other little ppl I guess.
The Tiger Woods spoof was horribly bad it's not even funny.

Overall, I hate "PG Raw".:furious:

[paulisded]

I think Damon was promoting some charitable foundation he's doing. I forget when they plugged it.
WWE should've had done the "little people's court" Verne Troyer was hosting, but nooooo!!! They didn't. At least he's capable of talking compared to the other little ppl I guess.
The Tiger Woods spoof was horribly bad it's not even funny.

Overall, I hate "PG Raw".:furious:

The worst part of the broadcast is that they have now set up the angle where Cena is not going to lose any matches up to his inevitable victory at Wrestlemania.

[RingWraith]

The worst part of the broadcast is that they have now set up the angle where Cena is not going to lose any matches up to his inevitable victory at Wrestlemania.

Sigh! I'm not too happy about that either. :down:

[whorehay]

Mike Tyson has now been confirmed to host RAW on January 11th
http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/special/allspecialguesthosts/13079272

[TEKOA]

Smackdown - Dec.25 /09. download and watch today for free. the 700mb cinepack file is actually AVI format.

http://www.archive.org/details/DvD4AraB.CoM.By.APOGLB.WWE.Smackdown.2009.12.25.WS .PDTV.XviD-433

[TripleSkeet]

Glad to see the WWE has its priorities straight....

-- John Cena is not expected to be at next week's RAW, which will see WWE go head-to-head with TNA's iMPACT! for the first time. Cena will serve as grand marshall for the Fiesta Bowl Parade on 1/2, and is also penned in to do the coin toss that will be held before the game on 1/4.

[Fallon]

Glad to see the WWE has its priorities straight....

So I'm guessing Sheamus beats the shit out of him tonight to explain him not being on Raw next week?

[cougarjake13]

So I'm guessing Sheamus beats the shit out of him tonight to explain him not being on Raw next week?



and it was done

[TripleSkeet]

I just downloaded and watched Survivor Series 1998 and realized there hasnt been a PPV that has even come CLOSE in the last 8 years.

Holy shit. 14 matches. 2 HUGE swerves. And one of the most entertaining wrestling shows Ive ever seen. Everything was perfect down to the tiniest detail.

[Sue_Bender]

I just downloaded and watched Survivor Series 1998 and realized there hasnt been a PPV that has even come CLOSE in the last 8 years.

Holy shit. 14 matches. 2 HUGE swerves. And one of the most entertaining wrestling shows Ive ever seen. Everything was perfect down to the tiniest detail.

Maybe...and at the time I HATED it.

Had I known what was on the horizon, I would have savored it.

[TripleSkeet]

Maybe...and at the time I HATED it.

Had I known what was on the horizon, I would have savored it.

Really? That was always one of my favorite PPV's. The birth of "The Corporate Champion". I had to download a pack that had every Survivor Series on it just to watch it.

[TripleSkeet]

I have to say Raw was pretty good Monday. But apparently they keep fucking up the ends of the show. Last week it was Orton pissed off and breaking character in the ring on Kofi because he fucked up the RKO, this week it was DX cursing because the production people fucked up and didnt cue Cenas music on time.

These next few months though Raw is usually good. I love the Royal Rumble and the build up to Mania. After that it goes right back downhill though.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Every time that McMahon talks about Bret in a demeaning tone...why don't the Hart Dynasty ever come out to defend the very name they share? You'd think someone would catch that.

[Don Stugots]

Every time that McMahon talks about Bret in a demeaning tone...why don't the Hart Dynasty ever come out to defend the very name they share? You'd think someone would catch that.

because it would make sense since they are trying to make a name for themselves.

[CYYYFYYY]

The Hart Dynasty has bashed Davey Boy who is DH's father. Also there T-Shirt says better than the BEst which implies they are better than Bret. So I doubt they would rush to protect Hitman. That would also turn them to Faces which I guess they don;t want. A Hart Dynasty vs Legacy could be a good match.

[cougarjake13]

The Hart Dynasty has bashed Davey Boy who is DH's father. Also there T-Shirt says better than the BEst which implies they are better than Bret. So I doubt they would rush to protect Hitman. That would also turn them to Faces which I guess they don;t want. A Hart Dynasty vs Legacy could be a good match.




so then they could do the opposite and do vinces dirty work and beat up bret to further their heelness

[Don Stugots]

so then they could do the opposite and do vinces dirty work and beat up bret to further their heelness

that would be good too, if it happens next week but i doubt it.

[vjr97]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ric flair is the greatest wrestler of all time WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

im looking foward to the new monday night wars-and id like to smell maryse and velvets sky feet after a long wrestling match

[SHANEFROMGA]

going to see the house show here in macon tommorow nite. haven't really kept up with the show lately, but live shows are always good.

[Fallon]

going to see the house show here in macon tommorow nite. haven't really kept up with the show lately, but live shows are always good.

I went to a live show a few weeks ago. First time in over ten years I didn't go to a TV show or a PPV and I really enjoyed it.

Only thing that sucked was my floor seats were crap, couldn't see anything below the top rope. Luckily the Garden was pretty empty and I moved up into better seats.

[Don Stugots]

RAW opened strong with Edge but now two elmination chamber quailifers and they are both J-O-B squad matches. Cena vs Cody and HHH vs Swager. HHH and Cena win, shocker. Let me guess, Orton with fight The Brooklyn Brawler for his match.

[paulisded]

Shatner doing wrestling themes was sort of funny.

[Don Stugots]

that segment was funny.

[paulisded]

Who is CM Punk's lesbian friend?

[Don Stugots]

so Big Show gets to team up with Jericho-Lite now? BOoo

[Knowledged_one]

so Big Show gets to team up with Jericho-Lite now? BOoo

Jericho-Lite. How dare you sir

The Miz fucking rules

and hes awesome

[TripleSkeet]

Jericho-Lite.

Thats probably the best description Ive ever heard of The Miz. It hits the nail right on the head.

[Knowledged_one]

Thats probably the best description Ive ever heard of The Miz. It hits the nail right on the head.

actually i have to agree that im not happy that they are moving the Miz into that role of being a jericho. not that he cant handle it because the miz is charismatic but let him be his own man

And they are simply squandering Jack Swagger and Christian

[Don Stugots]

actually i have to agree that im not happy that they are moving the Miz into that role of being a jericho. not that he cant handle it because the miz is charismatic but let him be his own man

And they are simply squandering Jack Swagger and Christian

thats would make a good stable, call them THE WASTED.

[Knowledged_one]

thats would make a good stable, call them THE WASTED.

Now there is an idea i can get behind

[Knowledged_one]

Vince is freaking great

and brett on the stick - pretty much sums why he wouldnt have lasted in the attitude era

[Tenbatsuzen]

Who is CM Punk's lesbian friend?

Serena Deeb.

Is it just me, or does Punk look like Gaius Baltar?

[epo]

Jericho-Lite. How dare you sir

I know, Miz has years to go to qualify as Jericho-Lite.

[Don Stugots]

Vince is freaking great

and brett on the stick - pretty much sums why he wouldnt have lasted in the attitude era

as much as i love bret, he couldnt have handled the verbal sparring with Austin and The Rock week after week.

[Knowledged_one]

so how long till wwe brings in angelina love from tna to battle myreese?

[Knowledged_one]

I know, Miz has years to go to qualify as Jericho-Lite.

still the hatred for the Miz?

The guy is the best thing going on raw, he has lapped the hack that is santino a long long time ago

[Knowledged_one]

Serena Deeb.

Is it just me, or does Punk look like Gaius Baltar?

he sure does look pretty gaius

[Don Stugots]

so how long till wwe brings in angelina love from tna to battle myreese?

i thought TNA took her back?

[Knowledged_one]

i hadnt seen in a while maybe they did

i know she did interviews saying she didnt want to go back

tna if nothing else knows how to do chick wrestling

[asayresk]

angelina love was fueding with the beatiful people last i checked

[conman823]

RAW simply has nothing going on that even warrants a regular viewing schedule.

[cougarjake13]

so how long till wwe brings in angelina love from tna to battle myreese?

i thought TNA took her back?

i hadnt seen in a while maybe they did

i know she did interviews saying she didnt want to go back

tna if nothing else knows how to do chick wrestling

angelina love was fueding with the beatiful people last i checked


yeh she came back a few weeks ago and attacked the beautiful people and just had a womens title match with victoria

[TripleSkeet]

RAW simply has nothing going on that even warrants a regular viewing schedule.

Actually these Raws are the ones I find the most entertaining. I like how they are building up their Mania matches. Royal Rumble time is great because thats when you get everyone turning on each other and it helps the angles alot. They should do that more throughout the year.

[Knowledged_one]

Holding two straps now, hes the Miz and hes awesome

[asayresk]

After losing the tag title, looks like HBK lost his smile again.

[conman823]

After losing the tag title, looks like HBK lost his smile again.

Along with more hair......

[Don Stugots]

After losing the tag title, looks like HBK lost his smile again.

good. i wish he would fad away already.

[Joe Pietaro]

It definitely appears as if they are trying to march Shawn Michaels off into the sunset, but that's when Vince pulls one out of his hat.

[Don Stugots]

It definitely appears as if they are trying to march Shawn Michaels off into the sunset, but that's when Vince pulls one out of his hat.

i can see him costing Taker the belt in the chamber somehow and then they fight at WM.

[Sue_Bender]

With tonight's limo "accident"...it sets up the tag match between Cena/Bret and McMahon/Bautista at Wrestlemania.

He's not old and stroked...he's injured.

[asayresk]

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[Section 8]

That PG rating went right out the window didn't it?

[epo]

WWE just reminded me why I hate them: Mae Young.

Seriously, its such a pathetic "joke".

[asayresk]

its great to see mae young make a 2010 appearance.

[Sue_Bender]

That PG rating went right out the window didn't it?

It got a little racy. :wacko:

[TripleSkeet]

"Thank you Maury Povich." - Ahhh Santino you never let me down.

[Bob Impact]

Guest hosts have now brought me Big Show vs. a mechanical bull, finally, something I can get behind.

[Section 8]

That bit actually had me laughing, especially with Big Show yelling at the bull, "You wanna piece of me??!!?"

[Knowledged_one]

Well some of the awesomeness of the miz was bound to rub off on the Big Show

and him yelling at the bull was much more entertaining then the tag match afterwards

[TripleSkeet]

Raw was horrendous this week.

I dont know if its just me getting older, or if the fans at the live events are just stupider now. But stupid shit like R-Truths "Whats up?" would never have gotten the kind of reaction 10 years ago that it gets today. And for good reason. Its fucking stupid.

I mean before it seemed like only the good catchphrases would catch on where now if a wrestler uses a catchphrase the crowd jumps on it immediately. Even if it is pure shit. Its embarrassing. When I see the crowd jumping on "Whats up?", "Woo woo woo", and "Im awesome" I just cringe. I cant help it. Its just so douchey.

[TripleSkeet]

Jesus Christ, perfect example, Im watching NXT and the crowd is chanting USA during a match in which one guy is from South Africa and the other is from Britain. Thats how fucking dumb they are, they fucking forgot the babyface isnt American.

[CYYYFYYY]

I'M Awesome is an Awesome catch phrase

[Chimee]

At least the crowd reacts to it, no one will ever get behind "woo woo woo, you know it."

[Section 8]

If you listen carefully when the Miz says his line, most of the crowd says "and I'm AWFUL!". It dates back to a Raw episode where he was told by the guest host (I believe) that if he lost he had to say that line. He won the match, but the fans ran with it.

[TripleSkeet]

Ok, Ill give you the "Im Awful" one. And someone said nobody responds to "Woo woo woo"...what about the "Whats up?" ? I hear pretty much 3/4 of the crowd chanting that awful shit with this bum. Why? Its fucking retarded.

[Bob Impact]

What?
what?
what?
what?
what?
what?
what?
what?

[RingWraith]

Damn it! I really wanted to see John Cena get "stunned". Oh well. :down:

[TripleSkeet]

I have to give Vince credit, I dont know how he did it, but he managed to take a Raw 2 weeks before Wrestlemania, with Stone Cold Steve Austin as the host, and make it fucking boring.

My thoughts...

- I dug Stone Cold throwing some respect Brets way early on, but how the fuck do you not let him stun Cena? His music interrupted him and everything. We get it Vince, you want everyone to love John Cena, it wont happen but must you try so hard as to even make him untouchable by Steve Austin???

- Big Shows finisher is fucking stupid. I understand theyve been trying for years to get him something besides the chokeslam, but this "knocker outer punch" is just a big a failure as the rest of them.

- Jericho is one of the few bright spots in the WWE right now

- The divas cant wrestle and are a waste of time on every show

- The Mania montage of Taker and Michaels was very cool

- I dont get what Shawn Michaels was supposed to "show" the Undertaker in his match tonight. That promo made no sense given how that match ended. In reality it shouldve been a DQ loss by HBK due to interference by Edge.

- Damage looks like a shit story, but a cool guy movie that I think Id like to see

- I dont about anyone else, but Cena vs. Batista reminds me of the Lesnar vs. Goldberg match a few Manias back. A potential dream match at one time that for some reason has no steam now.

- Randy Orton is another bright spot in the WWE, by the way, is he a face now???

- Inducting Gorgeous George in the HOF is fucking cool. And way overdue.

- Pete Rose as Guest Host next week = Bob Eucker gets announced as the final Inductee into the HOF

- It was nice to see blood on Raw again, even if it was accidental.

- I cant believe they fucking bleep out the word ass at 11pm at night. God how pathetic.

- The ending was predictable, but not bad. Man I cant believe they wasted a Stone Cold appearance like that. He was barely on the show. And when he was they bleepd out half of what he said. Bigtime dropping the ball on that.

-

[Dirtbag]

- I cant believe they fucking bleep out the word ass at 11pm at night. God how pathetic.

I agree 100%, but I have to blame either Stone Cold or whoever didn't bother telling him not to say it. As stupid as the PG shit is, everyone involved - including Austin - knows it's what they're doing now and he shouldn't have been saying it in the first place.

[RingWraith]

- I dug Stone Cold throwing some respect Brets way early on, but how the fuck do you not let him stun Cena? His music interrupted him and everything. We get it Vince, you want everyone to love John Cena, it wont happen but must you try so hard as to even make him untouchable by Steve Austin???

-

That really annoyed the hell out of me. I was hoping to see Cena get "stunned", but deep down I knew Vince & Co. were not gonna let that happen.

[Section 8]

Cena's music interrupted because Austin ran a bit long with his opening promo. While him Stunning Cena would have been funny there should have really been just 1 Stunner.

Scenario:
Bret signs contract. Vince signs contract. Stone Cold calls for 3 beers to celebrate. He gives one to Bret and offers one to Vince. Vince begrudgingly takes it. Stone Cold toasts Bret, goes to toast Vince and before the cans even connect.... kick to the gut, Stunner. While Vince tries to get up and Austin starts to walk up the ramp Bret takes off his cast, goes thru the same schtick he said before but instead of saying "Vince screwed Vince" he says "For once, Bret screwed Vince!"

(Man I wish they'd hire wrestlers as writers)

[TripleSkeet]

I agree 100%, but I have to blame either Stone Cold or whoever didn't bother telling him not to say it. As stupid as the PG shit is, everyone involved - including Austin - knows it's what they're doing now and he shouldn't have been saying it in the first place.

Fuck that. When you are a legend you dont change what made you great in order to conform to company policy. Ever. Thats the difference between a Stone Cold Steve Austin who became a legend by doing his thing and allowing the crowd to decide he was, and a company robot like John Cena who changes his entire persona to try and be 80's Hogan Part 2 because the company asks him to. Vince can give him the belt 100 times, but when its all said and done, fans will never revere him the way they do Stone Cold.

[paulisded]

I just wish Raw and TNA would vary their commercial times. I tried to flip back and forth, but their breaks were almost to the exact same time. I finally just left it on Raw after a horrid Beautiful People segment on TNA.

[brettmojo]

The ending to Raw was probably the best Raw ending in seven years. That being said it wasn't that great. I don't understand why Austin was there.

[NickyL0885]

The ending to Raw was probably the best Raw ending in seven years. That being said it wasn't that great. I don't understand why Austin was there.

Promoting a straight to DVD movie.

[TjM]

Let it go Vince

-- There was much disappointment among the Poffo family as Randy Savage contacted both WWE and TNA, asking them to send some kind of a message to be read at his father's funeral. TNA sent a message while WWE ignored his request.

Angelo Poffo passed away two weeks ago on Mar. 4.

[conman823]

Let it go Vince

He banged his daughter!!!










Allegedly....

[TjM]

He banged his daughter!!!










Allegedly....

So did HHH that got him a run as Mr Unstoppable

[MIKEYDAKEN]

So did HHH that got him a run as Mr Unstoppable

yeah but she was legal then

[TripleSkeet]

He banged his daughter!!!




....

Im still trying to figure out whos done more fucking damage to the WWE. Vinces wife or his daughter. Shouldve never let the women anywhere near the on screen product.

[Dirtbag]

Im still trying to figure out whos done more fucking damage to the WWE. Vinces wife or his daughter. Shouldve never let the women anywhere near the on screen product.

Women getting involved in sports, even fake sports, rarely has good results.

[TripleSkeet]

I have to say Orton really has come a long way. Hes super over and still able to keep a "tweener" status. Really a throwback to the Attitude Era when bad guys could be cheered and still be bad guys.

[brettmojo]

Im still trying to figure out whos done more fucking damage to the WWE.
http://edwardkhoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/wwf.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

Suck a dick Vince.

Speaking to Acorn Online, WWE Chairman Vince McMahon rips TNA for its struggle to make any sort of impact in the ongoing "Monday Night War" with his company's RAW telecast.

Notably, McMahon explains that TNA offers a dated product--"pro wrasslin'"--that is not compatible with the expectations of the modern WWE fan.

"We’re in different businesses," says McMahon. "We’re in the entertainment business and they’re in the ‘pro wrasslin’ business. It’s different markets. When they moved to Monday nights they threw the kitchen sink at us and only did a fraction of our audience. It doesn’t speak well for the type of product they’re trying to present with the tawdry, blood-soaked action. I don’t think that’s what the culture wants these days.”

McMahon adds that his company, which is "woven into the fabric of Americana," represents a true family affair.

Says McMahon, "If you look at the audience for our live events you will see fathers and sons and mothers and sons and brothers and sisters. This is something an entire family can go out and enjoy together. It’s a lot like baseball in that respect."

I find it funny that in the "Faggoty Family Era" of the WWE his wife left the company to try politics and his son no longer wants anything to do with the company.

[conman823]

Who really believes that? The parents of the average 12 year old watching WWE programming today might think its "Kid Friendly" but also remembers the Mid 90's Era that wasn't so kid friendly.

Vince is PT Barnum, and his show will conform to whatever the situation of the day is.

[TripleSkeet]

Who really believes that? The parents of the average 12 year old watching WWE programming today might think its "Kid Friendly" but also remembers the Mid 90's Era that wasn't so kid friendly.

Vince is PT Barnum, and his show will conform to whatever the situation of the day is.

Heres my question, is the situation of the day the fact that his wife is running for office? Because I see tv shows like Family Guy and South Park raunch up there shows and they are as popular as ever. Where is this insatiable need for little kid friendly wrestling coming from?

I hear they are as big as ever but right now Raw pulls in 4 full ratings points LESS then they did in 1999. And Vince himself is worth half a BILLION less also. I just dont get it.

[ScottFromGA]

when I use to listen to Bubba the Love Sponge and he had Hogan on, Bubba asked him why would Vince let his company go in the shitter like he has with the horrible writing and bullshit endings to matches. Hogan himself said that "Vince will pull his company in the toilet for whatever agenda he has going on at the time. If it hurts everyone at the time, its no sweat off his brow cause he knows he can come up with something to get the attention back up."

My problem is, with that statement (which was said back in 2003 or so) is that people's attitudes and attention spans have changed so much since the late 90's. People just aren't that easy to get over with anymore, unless you have a black man running for president.

[paulisded]

Hogan himself said that "Vince will pull his company in the toilet for whatever agenda he has going on at the time. If it hurts everyone at the time, its no sweat off his brow cause he knows he can come up with something to get the attention back up."


There's a lot of irony in Hogan making that statement.

[brettmojo]

To quote Jimmy Norton... I wanna' lick Nattie Neidhart's asshole.

[Space Edge]

How long until Shawn Michaels runs out of money and joins TNA like the rest of the old wrestlers?

[NickyL0885]

I actually cried during it. I like that he mentioned the past and how he was difficult back then. He seemed very real. Not to sound ironic or pun intended, but it broke my heart to see him go.

[ScottFromGA]

There's a lot of irony in Hogan making that statement.

i do agree with that, but he is correct about it. proof is in the pudding.

[Space Edge]

I actually cried during it. I like that he mentioned the past and how he was difficult back then. He seemed very real. Not to sound ironic or pun intended, but it broke my heart to see him go.

Is he going to be involved with them in any capacity ?

[The Nature Boy]

I wonder if HBK is leaving more because he's done or more because, where does he and the E go from here? It doesn't seem like a fun place to be, the whole thing seems stale and the guy has been putting them on his back for at least the past three years. Really, it was only HBK who made the last 3 watchable. I don't doubt he'll be back for a HOF match next year, maybe with a Dibiase, and AGAIN steal the show. But to step away now, I don't blame him.

Its a big transition time. Three big death knells to attitude in the last two months. DX and ECW were on life support, braindead, but alive in name, as appirations of the past, but now offically and really, done and gone. Add to this, the end of the Hart situation and any notions or whims of his return.

What is left to pop the base?

-Sting in the WWE in the next 3-5 years?
-Rock returns to the ring?
-Austin returns?
-Austin-Hogan?

Thats really about it. Its sad, and maybe its time to just let this thing go and die. I'm sure I'll keep an eye on it, but I find fewer and fewer reasons to tune in week in and week out.

The reality struck me this weekend, we are on Wrestlemania 27 and this whole thing really peaked at wrestlemania 17. The highpoint of the WWF was the exact moment before Vince walks out on the Rock-Austin match. That started them on a downhill trajectory that they still are on.

That said, an amazing speech by HBK, and really made me feel warm about the guy. Its so encouraging to know that people can find that measure of redemption in their lives. Its sad, but get out HBK, don't end up dead on a Des Moines hotel floor.

[TripleSkeet]

I wonder if HBK is leaving more because he's done or more because, where does he and the E go from here? It doesn't seem like a fun place to be, the whole thing seems stale and the guy has been putting them on his back for at least the past three years. Really, it was only HBK who made the last 3 watchable. I don't doubt he'll be back for a HOF match next year, maybe with a Dibiase, and AGAIN steal the show. But to step away now, I don't blame him.

Its a big transition time. Three big death knells to attitude in the last two months. DX and ECW were on life support, braindead, but alive in name, as appirations of the past, but now offically and really, done and gone. Add to this, the end of the Hart situation and any notions or whims of his return.

What is left to pop the base?

-Sting in the WWE in the next 3-5 years?
-Rock returns to the ring?
-Austin returns?
-Austin-Hogan?

Thats really about it. Its sad, and maybe its time to just let this thing go and die. I'm sure I'll keep an eye on it, but I find fewer and fewer reasons to tune in week in and week out.

The reality struck me this weekend, we are on Wrestlemania 27 and this whole thing really peaked at wrestlemania 17. The highpoint of the WWF was the exact moment before Vince walks out on the Rock-Austin match. That started them on a downhill trajectory that they still are on.

That said, an amazing speech by HBK, and really made me feel warm about the guy. Its so encouraging to know that people can find that measure of redemption in their lives. Its sad, but get out HBK, don't end up dead on a Des Moines hotel floor.

You can forget about Austin / Hogan and Austin returning to wrestling.

The Rock is supposedly coming back for the summer but not to wrestle. But the next big thing is Goldberg coming back to WWE.

To be perfectly honest, if it wasnt for DVR, I wouldve stopped watching years ago. Most of the diehard fans I knew either watch TNA now or dont watch wrestling at all. Vince has driven them all away by catering to 5 year olds.

Gonna miss HBK. TNA was pretty good this week. They are getting better.

[RingWraith]

I'm a little surprised how quickly Randy Orton has gotten the babyface pop lately. But I like it. Now if only they made Cena full-fledged heel, but I doubt that'll happen any time soon.

[Chimee]

I'm a little surprised how quickly Randy Orton has gotten the babyface pop lately. But I like it. Now if only they made Cena full-fledged heel, but I doubt that'll happen any time soon.

I like that Orton is getting the reaction without pandering to the crowd, it's good for them to have someone make a turn without changing his personality too much.

[Dirtbag]

I like that Orton is getting the reaction without pandering to the crowd, it's good for them to have someone make a turn without changing his personality too much.

I still don't understand how he got over as a face so quickly. I suppose when my choices are Orton, Rhodes, or DiBiase, I'll pick Orton too, but the guy's getting enormous pops.

[conman823]

I still don't understand how he got over as a face so quickly. I suppose when my choices are Orton, Rhodes, or DiBiase, I'll pick Orton too, but the guy's getting enormous pops.

Its easy with uneducated 12 year old fans.

[Bob Impact]

I still don't understand how he got over as a face so quickly. I suppose when my choices are Orton, Rhodes, or DiBiase, I'll pick Orton too, but the guy's getting enormous pops.

It's all Orton IMO, he's played it off perfectly, particularly in ring. He hasn't started shamelessly mugging for the crowd but if you look back of the the last month (maybe 2) he verrrry slowly started acting like more of a face in his matches. I would bet you can count how many dropkicks he threw as a heel in 2009 on one hand, now he throws one in every match, same with the scoop slam hes been doing lately, they're more high energy type moves that didn't fit heel Orton but they do fit face Orton.

[TripleSkeet]

Its easy with uneducated 12 year old fans.

No. Hes one of the few pluses to come out of Raw the last year. And hes not getting cheers by begging the crowd the way Cena does. Hes actually playing a tweener. Something that hasnt been done in years. He doing almost exactly the same shit he was doing as a heel, even giving his concussion giver outer kick to Rhodes at Mania, and still getting the huge pops. Most faces wouldnt do that heel move anymore.

Ive liked Orton for awhile. Ever since he was giving his "return updates" when he hurt his arm before joining Evolution, its nice to see him as a face. I would really like to see them run with this for awhile, turn Cena heel maybe after Summerslam, and build into a Cena vs Orton match for next years Mania. But then again that only makes sense and would make the product entertaining for people above the age of 8. So it probably wont happen.

[Bob Impact]

No. Hes one of the few pluses to come out of Raw the last year. And hes not getting cheers by begging the crowd the way Cena does. Hes actually playing a tweener. Something that hasnt been done in years. He doing almost exactly the same shit he was doing as a heel, even giving his concussion giver outer kick to Rhodes at Mania, and still getting the huge pops. Most faces wouldnt do that heel move anymore.

Ive liked Orton for awhile. Ever since he was giving his "return updates" when he hurt his arm before joining Evolution, its nice to see him as a face. I would really like to see them run with this for awhile, turn Cena heel maybe after Summerslam, and build into a Cena vs Orton match for next years Mania. But then again that only makes sense and would make the product entertaining for people above the age of 8. So it probably wont happen.

It would also cost them a shit ton of merchandise revenue.

[RingWraith]

No. Hes one of the few pluses to come out of Raw the last year. And hes not getting cheers by begging the crowd the way Cena does. Hes actually playing a tweener. Something that hasnt been done in years. He doing almost exactly the same shit he was doing as a heel, even giving his concussion giver outer kick to Rhodes at Mania, and still getting the huge pops. Most faces wouldnt do that heel move anymore.

Ive liked Orton for awhile. Ever since he was giving his "return updates" when he hurt his arm before joining Evolution, its nice to see him as a face. I would really like to see them run with this for awhile, turn Cena heel maybe after Summerslam, and build into a Cena vs Orton match for next years Mania. But then again that only makes sense and would make the product entertaining for people above the age of 8. So it probably wont happen.

Sadly, you're sooo right about that. :down:

[TripleSkeet]

It would also cost them a shit ton of merchandise revenue.

Thats such a bullshit stereotype. Yea, heels dont sell merch. Because DX, nWo, Stone Cold, HHH, and The Rock never sold any merch as heels.

[Dirtbag]

Thats such a bullshit stereotype. Yea, heels dont sell merch. Because DX, nWo, Stone Cold, HHH, and The Rock never sold any merch as heels.

That was in the days before guys over the age of 12 bailed on the product. And even those of us who are still around aren't going to go out in public in WWE shirts.

[TripleSkeet]

That was in the days before guys over the age of 12 bailed on the product. And even those of us who are still around aren't going to go out in public in WWE shirts.

Yea but guess what? Cena blew up and sold tons of merchandise as a heel first. Charismatic guys sell t-shirts and toys and shit like that. It doesnt always have to be good guys.

Before the attitude era Savage, Piper and the 4 Horsemen sold TONS of stuff. It wasnt just a late 90's fad.

[CYYYFYYY]

When someone is your top seller by ALOT.... you don;t change it...... That simple. If I was Vince I would not change a thing about Cena. Yes heals have sold but they did it originally as heals or when they were most popular as a heel. You would be insane to turn Cena.... at least for now

[TripleSkeet]

When someone is your top seller by ALOT.... you don;t change it...... That simple. If I was Vince I would not change a thing about Cena. Yes heals have sold but they did it originally as heals or when they were most popular as a heel. You would be insane to turn Cena.... at least for now

Hes the top merch seller, but not the top face. The top face doesnt get half boos at half the areans you play at. The top face doesnt wrestle to chant wars of "Lets go Cena....Cena sucks!" Right now the top face is either HHH or Undertaker. Shit even Orton gets bigger pops right now.

No, if all you care about is selling toys, you leave Cena face. If you care about making your product better, you turn him heel. No worries, I have no doubt Vince doesnt give a fuck if the product is shit as long as the toys sell.

(For the record, my idea was turning him heel sometime after Summerslam in order to have an Orton vs Cena feud for next years Mania. Thats at least 6 months from now)

[conman823]

Cena isn't turing heel anytime soon so that's out. As far as Orton goes I haven't really watched him in the last year because his "heel" was so offensively awful I would cringe everytime he came on screen. I always thought he had the potential to be a good worker. I just never saw him as Main Event World Champ Material.


'Takers ready to go, HHH isn't a spring chicken anymore, and Kane has been buried so far down nobody would ever subscribe to him making a World Title run. Jericho and Edge are kinda "today" but thier match at mania was solid, but nothing to remember for years to come.

Time to start cranking out the new generation superstars. I haven't seen that NXT show yet, but I would think they need some more build then that.

Maybe start raiding that TNA camp now that Hogan is pissing talent off.

[TripleSkeet]

Maybe start raiding that TNA camp now that Hogan is pissing talent off.

Why? Vince didnt create those superstars. Doesnt WWE have enough jobbers already?

[conman823]

But none of the TNA guys are superstars with the exception of AJ Styles. He really only jobs out other promotions superstars. He took many a talent who wasn't a WWF guy and turned them into superstars. Remember that Stunning Steve Austin Guy from the Hollywood Blondes?

[cougarjake13]

But none of the TNA guys are superstars with the exception of AJ Styles. He really only jobs out other promotions superstars. He took many a talent who wasn't a WWF guy and turned them into superstars. Remember that Stunning Steve Austin Guy from the Hollywood Blondes?

didnt he start that stone cold gimmick when he was ecw ??

[conman823]

No he was just given an open Mic to shoot on the business. He had a broken arm when he arrived at ecw so they had nothing else for him.

[Bob Impact]

didnt he start that stone cold gimmick when he was ecw ??

No.

[TripleSkeet]

didnt he start that stone cold gimmick when he was ecw ??

Actually, it wasnt the Stone Cold gimmick, but it was the place where he finally could show the Stone Cold attitude. Where he could talk shit on his old bosses and say basically whatever he wanted. ECW is where the attitude came from.

Then he went to Raw and they saw so much in him they made Ted Dibiase speak for him. Brilliant.

[Sue_Bender]

Actually, it wasnt the Stone Cold gimmick, but it was the place where he finally could show the Stone Cold attitude. Where he could talk shit on his old bosses and say basically whatever he wanted. ECW is where the attitude came from.

Then he went to Raw and they saw so much in him they made Ted Dibiase speak for him. Brilliant.

Didn't the "Ringmaster" also tote around the Million Dollar belt?

[TripleSkeet]

Didn't the "Ringmaster" also tote around the Million Dollar belt?

Yea. That also made alot of sense.

[King Imp]

In regards to Austin and ECW, I will never forget when I first saw this on TV. :lol:


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[hit11man]

Yea. That also made alot of sense.

he was even using the million dollar dream

[conman823]

he was even using the million dollar dream

The ends justify the means a lot of times.

Look at Rocky Maivia, I remember the fans chanting "Die, Rocky, Die!"

http://www.gerweck.net/rocky.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

The ends justify the means a lot of times.

Look at Rocky Maivia, I remember the fans chanting "Die, Rocky, Die!"

http://www.gerweck.net/rocky.jpg

Right. And what did Vince do when they did that? He turned him heel. Thats what youre supposed to do. You let the crowd decide whos a heel and whos a face. You dont just decide for yourself and keep cramming them down the fans throats week after week.

[TjM]

Right. And what did Vince do when they did that? He turned him heel. Thats what youre supposed to do. You let the crowd decide whos a heel and whos a face. You dont just decide for yourself and keep cramming them down the fans throats week after week.

Difference is Rocky wasn't moving the amount of merchandise Cena is (I figure that's what you're refering to) Turning Rocky carried 0 risk. Turning Cena would be a financial gamble

[TripleSkeet]

With the draft coming up, and Smackdown moving to the SYFY channel, Im praying Vince moves his boy Cena over there. If hes this hugely popular phenominom that everyone thinks he is then they would need him to try to bring viewers to this smaller tv market. Right?

[Fallon]

With the draft coming up, and Smackdown moving to the SYFY channel, Im praying Vince moves his boy Cena over there. If hes this hugely popular phenominom that everyone thinks he is then they would need him to try to bring viewers to this smaller tv market. Right?

Send Cena and Batista to SD and bring Jericho, Edge and Punk to Raw.

:innocent:

[conman823]

Seems the dirt sheets are heavily reporting that Batista will be leaving the company at the end of this week.

Allegedly he was passed over for HHH for a "staring" role in the some new WWE Movie Bomb.

[TripleSkeet]

Seems the dirt sheets are heavily reporting that Batista will be leaving the company at the end of this week.

Allegedly he was passed over for HHH for a "staring" role in the some new WWE Movie Bomb.

Well its kind of a double edged sword. He wants to retire from wrestling to act, so the WWE had him in this movie role, but they only want to use the movies to promote current wrestlers. So because he wouldnt re-sign a contract they pulled him off for HHH.

[TripleSkeet]

Raw was actually pretty good last night.

- I like the fact they used the 2 NXT guys in the beat the clock matches. Great exposure and they both performed well

- Also dig the whole Ted Dibiase gimmick, where he carries the Million Dollar Belt and is trying to find a new Virgil.

- John Morrison is gonna blow up now thats hes back on Raw. The flip he did out of the ring was incredible.If hes not in the Championship picture by the end of the summer Vince McMahon should be shot.

- Santino is still the funniest thing on Raw.

- Between Edge and Orton, it seems like WWE may be going back to tweeners instead of the whole cartoon good guy/bad guy routine. This is a good thing.

[Kevin]

Raw was actually pretty good last night.

- I like the fact they used the 2 NXT guys in the beat the clock matches. Great exposure and they both performed well

- Also dig the whole Ted Dibiase gimmick, where he carries the Million Dollar Belt and is trying to find a new Virgil.

- John Morrison is gonna blow up now thats hes back on Raw. The flip he did out of the ring was incredible.If hes not in the Championship picture by the end of the summer Vince McMahon should be shot.

- Santino is still the funniest thing on Raw.

- Between Edge and Orton, it seems like WWE may be going back to tweeners instead of the whole cartoon good guy/bad guy routine. This is a good thing.

Orton is pretty awesome.

He is a more intense Austin.

Just the perfect guy for the role.

[conman823]

Great now people are comparing Orton to Austin. When Orton puts half the asses in the seats or generates a third of the money Austin did then we'll talk about comparisons.

[Kevin]

Great now people are comparing Orton to Austin. When Orton puts half the asses in the seats or generates a third of the money Austin did then we'll talk about comparisons.

Dude

Everyone gets compared to someone

Viper-Rattlesnake

Austin was more cartoony

Orton is just Stone Cold

Has nothing to do with how many asses they put in the seats or merch

Hell Cena sells and he is fucking terrible.

[Bob Impact]

Hell Cena sells
Only until the match is over.

[TripleSkeet]

Dude

Everyone gets compared to someone

Viper-Rattlesnake

Austin was more cartoony

Orton is just Stone Cold

Has nothing to do with how many asses they put in the seats or merch

Hell Cena sells and he is fucking terrible.

I dont think Orton is comparable to Austin. I mean, I get the whole snake thing, in where you cant trust either, but thats about it. Austin was way more "in your face". But I do love the fact that now that hes getting cheeered he hasnt changed one thing about his character.

[Chimee]

I think Orton is like Austin in the way that he gets over with the crowd by playing a tweener character and attacking everyone regardless of whether they're a "good guy" or "bad guy."

He's not going to redefine wrestling like Austin did, but with he, Edge, and Jericho all on the same brand, RAW is shaping up to be better than it has in a long, long time.

Hopefully they decide to make a big move as fall approaches and put Cena on Smackdown, then I will be very happy with the RAW brand as long as I can ignore the stupid guest hosts.

[Dirtbag]

One thing I do like a lot more about face Orton is that he doesn't talk nearly as much.

[CYYYFYYY]

I am loving the Orton character right now. I think in a year from now he will be the biggest thing in the WWE

[TripleSkeet]

Hopefully they decide to make a big move as fall approaches and put Cena on Smackdown, then I will be very happy with the RAW brand as long as I can ignore the stupid guest hosts.

Im praying thats the WWE's answer to try and boost ratings on Smackdown when it moves to SYFY. Hey hes their "big draw" right? Good send him to get your ratings on that show.

[cougarjake13]

Im praying thats the WWE's answer to try and boost ratings on Smackdown when it moves to SYFY. Hey hes their "big draw" right? Good send him to get your ratings on that show.

i would absolutely love it and if you think about it, it makes sense


fridays show is on earlier and on friday a non school night


more kids to watch him




also i could be wrong but i think he's the only major main eventer not to get drafted in any of the drafts and always remains on raw

[Dirtbag]

also i could be wrong but i think he's the only major main eventer not to get drafted in any of the drafts and always remains on raw
I think he got drafted to Raw in '08 after being on Smackdown.

The only guy who hasn't moved at all is the Undertaker. He's been on SD since the split, but he's also been part time for that whole period.

[Chimee]

I think he got drafted to Raw in '08 after being on Smackdown.

The only guy who hasn't moved at all is the Undertaker. He's been on SD since the split, but he's also been part time for that whole period.

Actually he won the title in 2005 and they moved him in that draft. He hasn't moved from RAW since.

[Dirtbag]

Actually he won the title in 2005 and they moved him in that draft. He hasn't moved from RAW since.

Wow, was it that long ago? I knew he and whoever was the other champ at the time effectively switched brands one year but I didn't think it had been 5 years.

[cougarjake13]

yeh and that one time they had triple h dratfed to sd! only to have sd trade him back a week later for a bag of dicks


fucking stupid

[Kevin]

Ok, Ok....

Hold on, Hold on..

Time out..

Did Flava Flav say, IN MORE THAN ONE OCCASION..

That He is the Modern day ROD SERLING!??!

He should be sued for that.

Along with the WWE for allowing it

[NickyL0885]

So, they brought Virgil back from the dead. Why am I not shocked........and gee, he looks in SUCH good shape.

[paulisded]

So, they brought Virgil back from the dead. Why am I not shocked........and gee, he looks in SUCH good shape.

Bret Hart "winning" the US title was even worse.

[Sue_Bender]

Bret Hart "winning" the US title was even worse.

Worse or...worser?

[Kevin]

Worse or...worser?

Worserer?

[CYYYFYYY]

I am sure Hitman won't defend the belt and they had him win it without an old man beating Miz.... BAsically the Hart Dynasty beat him so I had no issues other than having THE MIZ lose the strap.

As for Virgil, he is not wrestling just being a bodyguard..... I think it is entertaining.

[Kevin]

I am sure Hitman won't defend the belt and they had him win it without an old man beating Miz.... BAsically the Hart Dynasty beat him so I had no issues other than having THE MIZ lose the strap.

As for Virgil, he is not wrestling just being a bodyguard..... I think it is entertaining.

Yea...

Nobody see's Virgil turning on Ted Jr in the PPV...

Woo Woo Woo, You know it.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I'd like to see Hart reveal himself to be the new General Manager and decide a new United States Champion with some match he books that night.

[Kevin]

I'd like to see Hart reveal himself to be the new General Manager and decide a new United States Champion with some match he books that night.

I hope its something..

He kinda looked pathetic yesterday...

He looks old out of shape.

His celebration even looked bad when he botched it.

With that said...

Natale has a fine fine ass

[conman823]

Natale has a fine fine ass

Truely the only highlight of RAW.

[Dirtbag]

I hope its something..

He kinda looked pathetic yesterday...

He looks old out of shape.

His celebration even looked bad when he botched it.

With that said...

Natale has a fine fine ass

He had a stroke. Give him a break.

[Bob Impact]

He had a stroke. Give him a break.

Which is why he shouldn't be a champion, I cringed when Tyson Kid came close to his head on a spot.

[Kevin]

Which is why he shouldn't be a champion, I cringed when Tyson Kid came close to his head on a spot.

Yea, it was kinda sad to watch.

[celery]

Tonight's guest host:

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/touts/splash/images/14540092

[Bob Impact]

Tonight's guest host:

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/touts/splash/images/14540092

I'm really hoping for a 20 minute segment featuring Jon Lovitz saying "It Stinks!" over and over again.

[Sue_Bender]

I'm really hoping for a 20 minute segment featuring Jon Lovitz saying "It Stinks!" over and over again.

If he joined them for commentary, he could say it for a straight 120.

[conman823]

Tonight's guest host:

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/touts/splash/images/14540092

FUTURE Botchamania and Wrestlecrap fodder!

[TripleSkeet]

I'm really hoping for a 20 minute segment featuring Jon Lovitz saying "It Stinks!" over and over again.

I liked his segment better when Ozzy Osborne did it.

[Chimee]

Holy shit, Viewer's Choice RAW is awful.

[cougarjake13]

Holy shit, Viewer's Choice RAW is awful.



never saw how it would be good

[Chimee]

never saw how it would be good

If we lived in an alternate reality where Vince cared about interesting matchups and exciting stipulations. Instead, we live in this sad state of things where the idiot writers who think they're funnier than they really are lead the sheep to vote for the joke choice every single time.

[cougarjake13]

If we lived in an alternate reality where Vince cared about interesting matchups and exciting stipulations. Instead, we live in this sad state of things where the idiot writers who think they're funnier than they really are lead the sheep to vote for the joke choice every single time.



i wonder if its really bc of his wife running for office or he knows he doesnt have any competition and doesnt have to try too much

[Kevin]

never saw how it would be good

If we lived in an alternate reality where Vince cared about interesting matchups and exciting stipulations. Instead, we live in this sad state of things where the idiot writers who think they're funnier than they really are lead the sheep to vote for the joke choice every single time.

But we don't..

So like CJ said...

[asayresk]

Best ending to raw in a long time. The beating they put on everyone reminded me circa 1996 when nwo beat the crap out of rey and arn anderson.

[Kevin]

Best ending to raw in a long time.

I just caught it off hand because my dad was watching and walked by the room..

I have no idea what went on but it looked terrible.

[NickyL0885]

I love the fans in the stands looking all shocked, like it was real. They all looked like they were about to cry.

[asayresk]

I just caught it off hand because my dad was watching and walked by the room..

I have no idea what went on but it looked terrible.

It looks like a beginning to a new chapter in the wwe universe. These NXT guys remind me off the nwo. I just hope WWE doesnt mess it up.

[asayresk]

I love the fans in the stands looking all shocked, like it was real. They all looked like they were about to cry.

I thought it was funny how cena gave the thumbs up at the end.

[Kevin]

It looks like a beginning to a new chapter in the wwe universe. These NXT guys remind me off the nwo. I just hope WWE doesnt mess it up.

Maybe when i get caught up tomorrow after i DL raw, i will think Differently.

I hope you are right.

Was awful David Otunga part of this?

[asayresk]

Maybe when i get caught up tomorrow after i DL raw, i will think Differently.

I hope you are right.

Was awful David Otunga part of this?

All eight NXT guys were involved working like a gang.

[celery]

So I guess they killed the Undertaker, too?

I didn't see this coming. Best ending to Raw in a long time.

[Kevin]

All eight NXT guys were involved working like a gang.

Ugh, he is awful..

The only reason he got this shot was because he is a juice head and is engaged to Jennifer Hudson.

He stinks.

[CYYYFYYY]

At the beginning I hated it because it was obvious who what matches they wanted and all that jazz. The ENDING was amazing. I actually popped and called people. I thought it was great! Best ending in my opinion since the ECW invasion which they totally messed up the following week. I look forward for the next raw.... something I really have no been able to say for a long time even though I am a big fan

[Chob]

People already taking the nWo comparisons to their logical end products.
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I have to say, that was a pretty good swerve.

[TripleSkeet]

The first 2 hours and 52 minutes of Raw was some of the worst horseshit Ive seen in wrestling in years. The Viewers Choice was complete garbage, the matches sucked, the whole show was a fucking joke.

I dug the whole "Piper comes back to get Mr. T" thing they had going a little bit but it was so poorly executed. The handcuffs were terrible, Rampages facial expressions were terrible, the whole thing was terrible. Except Mean Gene ripping on that young announcer, that was funny.

The last 13 minutes of Raw was one of the best endings theyve had to a show since Lesnar superplexed the Big Show and collapsed the ring. I love what they are doing with these NXT guys. I really hope they make a major angle out of this.

[Kevin]

The first 2 hours and 52 minutes of Raw was some of the worst horseshit Ive seen in wrestling in years. The Viewers Choice was complete garbage, the matches sucked, the whole show was a fucking joke.

I dug the whole "Piper comes back to get Mr. T" thing they had going a little bit but it was so poorly executed. The handcuffs were terrible, Rampages facial expressions were terrible, the whole thing was terrible. Except Mean Gene ripping on that young announcer, that was funny.

The last 13 minutes of Raw was one of the best endings theyve had to a show since Lesnar superplexed the Big Show and collapsed the ring. I love what they are doing with these NXT guys. I really hope they make a major angle out of this.


Just saw it....

FUCKING AWESOME.

THEY BETTER NOT FUCK THIS UP.

[TripleSkeet]

Smarten up Vince and get these guys T-shirts by next week. Think yellow with a big black N on the front, and on the back it could say "We got NXT".

There were people in the crowd chanting "N. X. T." for christs sake.

[celery]

Smarten up Vince and get these guys T-shirts by next week. Think yellow with a big black N on the front, and on the back it could say "We got NXT".

There were people in the crowd chanting "N. X. T." for christs sake.

I think these shirts could work:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2098/tarvernxtnwologo.jpg

[Chimee]

Sounds like a great segment. Too bad the rest of RAW was so unwatchable that I turned it off.

[TripleSkeet]

I think these shirts could work:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2098/tarvernxtnwologo.jpg

While I agree, and think that having the same nWo attitude of "We are tired of waiting for you to step aside, so we are pushing you aside" is what they need, I dont know if just blatantly ripping off the nWo gimmick down to the letter is how they should go with it.

[joeybags]

Smarten up Vince and get these guys T-shirts by next week. Think yellow with a big black N on the front, and on the back it could say "We got NXT".

There were people in the crowd chanting "N. X. T." for christs sake.

they all seemed to be wearning the same armbands with the yellow N on it. i never really watched nxt so im not sure if that was something they already wore

[MagillaGorillaz]

Justin Roberts was the funniest thing on Raw last night.


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[celery]

Notice how Michael Cole escaped untouched.

The rumor is, he's the mastermind behind this attack, sort of like Eric Bischoff for the nWo.

[Kevin]

Notice how Michael Cole escaped untouched.

The rumor is, he's the mastermind behind this attack, sort of like Eric Bischoff for the nWo.

NIIIIIIICE!


I can totally see that.

Cole is hate-able too.

[Dirtbag]

The reveal of Cole as some sort of mastermind would be hilarious.

Cole on-screen as a leader each week would be unbearable.

[Chimee]

I think that Cole would give them the wrong kind of heat because he is so terrible in any role he's in.

[Kevin]

I think that Cole would give them the wrong kind of heat because he is so terrible in any role he's in.

Would King have been the better choice?

[TripleSkeet]

Im just trying to think what the reason would be for Michael Cole to mastermind something like that.

Would he try saying "When you want something sometime you have to just push the other guy out of the way. I did it to Jim Ross, and hes never coming back. These young lions are hungry, they just needed someone to show them how to feed." Or something like that.

[Kevin]

Im just trying to think what the reason would be for Michael Cole to mastermind something like that.

Would he try saying "When you want something sometime you have to just push the other guy out of the way. I did it to Jim Ross, and hes never coming back. These young lions are hungry, they just needed someone to show them how to feed." Or something like that.

He has been showing some heel tactics..

Like when Brett won the US title, he bashed Brett saying this is embarrassing, he shoulda just stayed home.

[celery]

Im just trying to think what the reason would be for Michael Cole to mastermind something like that.

Would he try saying "When you want something sometime you have to just push the other guy out of the way. I did it to Jim Ross, and hes never coming back. These young lions are hungry, they just needed someone to show them how to feed." Or something like that.

He's also resentful of WWE and the fans for never embracing him like they did JR. And if they want JR back, they can have him.

[Section 8]

I don't think that Daniel Bryan would be along for the ride if Cole was the mastermind. There's WAAAAY too much heat there.

One question, where in the hell were the rest of the roster when this beatdown happened? Where was security? If they really wanted to put the NXT guys over, they should have had them wipe out a bunch of wrestlers, not ring announcers, color commentators, and referees.

[Kevin]

I don't think that Daniel Bryan would be along for the ride if Cole was the mastermind. There's WAAAAY too much heat there.

One question, where in the hell were the rest of the roster when this beatdown happened? Where was security? If they really wanted to put the NXT guys over, they should have had them wipe out a bunch of wrestlers, not ring announcers, color commentators, and referees.

They could say it was part of the angle...

And i think beating down the franchise WWE champ gave them enough to put them over...

[TripleSkeet]

They could say it was part of the angle...

And i think beating down the franchise WWE champ gave them enough to put them over...

Not to mention CM Punk and his crew.

[Chimee]

I noticed that Serena also got the fuck out of there. Of course, in this PG age they won't be even approaching violence toward women.

[Section 8]

I noticed that Serena also got the fuck out of there. Of course, in this PG age they won't be even approaching violence toward women.

So maybe THAT'S why Michael Cole was allowed to escape.

[Bob Impact]

Not to mention CM Punk and his crew.

My favorite part of the entire thing was a little moment, after they beat down punk and Cena and tore most of the place up Punk threw himself into the ring and they beat him up again... it was kinda facish for punk to do but it led a more legit air to the beating, like punk didn't care that he hates Cena in the face of this new threat.

Unless of course someone dragged him back into the ring and i missed it.

Also, bonus point for Danielson kicking Cena's fuckin head off.

[Chimee]

My favorite part of the entire thing was a little moment, after they beat down punk and Cena and tore most of the place up Punk threw himself into the ring and they beat him up again... it was kinda facish for punk to do but it led a more legit air to the beating, like punk didn't care that he hates Cena in the face of this new threat.

Unless of course someone dragged him back into the ring and i missed it.

Also, bonus point for Danielson kicking Cena's fuckin head off.

I hated that they botched the kick because Tarver felt like he needed to get a punch in.

[asayresk]

So maybe THAT'S why Michael Cole was allowed to escape.

What u implying, Michael Cole got a vagina:lol:

[TripleSkeet]

I hated that they botched the kick because Tarver felt like he needed to get a punch in.

Agreed. He is fucking terrible. Enough with your "knockout punch". The Big Show already does it and even at his size it still blows as a finisher.

As far as Punk goes, Im glad they beat on him a decent amount too, showing that it doesnt matter if its a heel or face, they are going after them.

[CYYYFYYY]

I would have liked it a tad more if Punk came back and gave a better fight before being taken down again. Traver is an absolute joke he thinks he is the leader and he is alwys popping in front of the camera. I actually like his character I just don;t like him.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

my guess is that Michael Cole has been working on a heel persona and he will be the heel voice of NXT....


he should have been humbled after what he and Danielson have gone through... but he gets to run away

[Chimee]

I would have liked it a tad more if Punk came back and gave a better fight before being taken down again. Traver is an absolute joke he thinks he is the leader and he is alwys popping in front of the camera. I actually like his character I just don;t like him.

Cena only got one punch in. There is no way they would have had Punk put up more of a fight than him. I think they way they did it works the best because it wouldn't have been as effective if all of the pros got a flurry of offense in.

[celery]

NXT guys do a second angle at house show
By Paul Philbin

The NXT invasion storyline continued at last night's WWE developmental show in Melbourne, Florida. The main event was scheduled to be The Miz and Daniel Bryan vs. Christian and Heath Slater but that didn't happen. The Miz's music played before the match but nobody came out. Christian came out next and talked about what happened on RAW, then called out Heath Slater. Slater talked about how everything was good to start off on NXT but then Christian wouldn't give him the answers so they lost the competition.

Daniel Bryan then ran out and attacked Christian from behind. The Miz came down next and fought off the Rookies with Christian. Miz proposes that they do a Pros vs. Rookies match. Miz cut a babyface promo with Christian and worked the match as a face.

The ending came when Miz and Christian were about to hit their finishers on the Rookies. All of the Season 1 Rookies rushed the ring and beat down Miz and Christian. The Rookies tore down the FCW ring before Bryan kicked Miz in the head and Slater hit the Killswitch on Christian. The Rookies left with the Pros laid out.


From www.wrestlingobserver.com

[Bob Impact]

The ending came when Miz and Christian were about to hit their finishers on the Rookies. All of the Season 1 Rookies rushed the ring and beat down Miz and Christian. The Rookies tore down the FCW ring before Bryan kicked Miz in the head and Slater hit the Killswitch on Christian. The Rookies left with the Pros laid out.

This is awesome *Clap clap clap clap clap*

[King Hippos Bandaid]

all I ask is that please dont add Virgil and spray paint NXT on people

its been done

[Kevin]

I love Royal Pains but that segment made me think twice about watching..

[NickyL0885]

I love Royal Pains but that segment made me think twice about watching..

I chuckled a few times.

[Space Edge]

I hate the whole guest host thing. :thumbdown:

[TjM]

It's Benoits fault!

The latest update on Bryan Danielson is that there is the feeling that he didn't know about the so-called "Chris Benoit protocol" in which the WWE talent are not allowed to use objects to choke each other. The word is that this protocol was talked about heavily in meetings and that while some of the stars who have been around for a few years knew about it, the protocol wasn't something that was regularly talked about. It is also being reported that there is a "lot of sympathy" for Danielson right now.

[TripleSkeet]

It's Benoits fault!

So fucking dumb. Like I said, good thing he didnt decide to kill them with suplexes. That incident should have nothing to do with how they put on their show.

[TripleSkeet]

For the record, the NXT angle wouldve looked alot better if Vince didnt decide to have them beat up by guys like Santino and Mark Henry.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

For the record, the NXT angle wouldve looked alot better if Vince didnt decide to have them beat up by guys like Santino and Mark Henry.

it doesn't matter anymore with bryan getting fired this angle is dogshit now. i just wanna see the bellas every week now they just keep getting hotter.

[Chimee]

For the record, the NXT angle wouldve looked alot better if Vince didnt decide to have them beat up by guys like Santino and Mark Henry.

The second Santino hit the ring, I lost all interest in the angle. I did like that they had the Fatal Fourway contenders all fighting off the rookies because, aside from Cena, the upper card rarely gets involved in the locker room emptying segments.

I also noticed that Jericho never got involved with any of the segments, so I hope that means he will be masterminding the NXT invasion.

[Bob Impact]

For the record, the NXT angle wouldve looked alot better if Vince didnt decide to have them beat up by guys like Santino and Mark Henry.

I liked the fact that he was the last person to chase them out of the building, as if they're so afraid of Santino that they just to keep running despite the fact that it was just him and Mark Henry by that point.

[Chimee]

I liked the fact that he was the last person to chase them out of the building, as if they're so afraid of Santino that they just to keep running despite the fact that it was just him and Mark Henry by that point.

My favorite part of the chase was when Mark Henry was running ahead of a bunch of the NXT guys.

[Kevin]

My favorite part of the chase was when Mark Henry was running ahead of a bunch of the NXT guys.



Yea i noticed that too.

Funny shit

[Section 8]

He wasn't running ahead of them. They were just starting to lap him when the camera kicked on.

[Bob Impact]

My favorite part of the chase was when Mark Henry was running ahead of a bunch of the NXT guys.

Yeah that was pretty awesome, I think as one of them passed he actually patted him on the back as if to say "good job, we'll finish this marathon buddy, you and me."

[Heather 8]

http://i47.tinypic.com/50smq1.gif

:laugh:

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's Benoits fault!

Not only did he use a necktie, but he was also reading a bible before working out.

[epo]

From an "anonymous email"? (http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/email-links-linda-mcmahon-campaign-to-danielson-release-104583)

"To whom it may concern;

I am a campaign worker for the Linda McMahon Senate campaign in Stamford, CT and I wanted to pass this information along to you. I am not a "fan" of Mrs. McMahon's family business by any means but I also do not like to see people's livelihoods taken away because of someone's political ambitions.

In regards to the released performer Daniel Brian this decision was made by Mr. David Cappiello the new campaign manager for Mrs. McMahon. After viewing the video of an incident of someone being choked and spat on Mr. Cappiello advised the campaign this could have very negative repurcussions to the campaign as a whole.

It was his decision that many in the media would use this against Mrs. McMahon in her campaign because of it's violent nature and it would bring up memories of the Chris Benoit tragedy which the campaign has tried very hard to distance itself from. He also felt it would significantly hurt her stance on family values to be associated with a product marketed towards children that allowed it's performers to openly spit in the faces of one another. It was this decision that led to the performer being released to show the media that Mrs. McMahon does not tolerate or approve of such behavior.

I am sending this to you from a temporary e-mail address. I will not answer further questions I just thought the truth should be put out there and not this rampant speculation. You can chose to print this or not, I leave that entirely to you."

If true, its exactly why she shouldn't be running for office.

[asayresk]

http://i47.tinypic.com/50smq1.gif

:laugh:

you got to be kidding me, Mark Henry is running away from the nxt guys when he is suppose to be chasing them. This whole storyline went down the tube when they made up that explanation to why Daniel bryanson was not there. I swicthed the channel immediatly to wacth Mets minor league baseball. :furious:

[Fallon]

He wasn't running ahead of them. They were just starting to lap him when the camera kicked on.

http://i47.tinypic.com/50smq1.gif

:laugh:

:clap:

[TripleSkeet]

The second Santino hit the ring, I lost all interest in the angle. I did like that they had the Fatal Fourway contenders all fighting off the rookies because, aside from Cena, the upper card rarely gets involved in the locker room emptying segments.

I also noticed that Jericho never got involved with any of the segments, so I hope that means he will be masterminding the NXT invasion.

I noticed that with the main eventers and thought it was cool. I would love that Jericho idea.

From an "anonymous email"? (http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/email-links-linda-mcmahon-campaign-to-danielson-release-104583)



If true, its exactly why she shouldn't be running for office.

Exactly. Even if this incident isnt fact, you know her campaign has alot to say about what the WWE does. They have to. Campaign managers micromanage everything that could impact their candidate.