Monday Night RAW Discussion

[CYYYFYYY]

I usually like Raw but not this week. Spent 20 minutes on Vince and then another 20 on Floyd. I have accepted we must waste one 20 spot just introducing the new GM to announce the card but if you do that you can't have Vince yammering for 20 minutes. It also does not help that I basically never watch the Raw Main Event since it is always the same. And yep another Cena vs Orton main event. I will not even consider getting this pay fer view. Love Smackdown though and TNA is getting better and Ecw is decent.

[conman823]

I usually like Raw

The last time I made that statement was 2003.

[Knowledged_one]

So Survivor series is now 3 PPV's away. And for the most part the WWE has abandoned the old format for this PPV with the traditional teams.

I was thinking that a great way for them to revive it would be too resurrect the old WCW wargames match as a twist. WIth the double rings and steel cage.

They could do Raw vs. Raw, Raw vs. Smackdown, drafted teams from all 3. Or a mid-carder match up and a upper card match up

Anyone else think this would be a great way to revitalize the survivor series match ups

[CYYYFYYY]

I would love the Old War Games. Making it Survivor Series would be a very interesting choice. I think it would get great buy rates. I would conjsider getting it and I only allow myself 3 pey fer views a year (I usually just get the Rumble and Wrestlemania.) However I doubt Vince would ever admit WcW did anything right so I doubt we will ever see that.

[Chimee]

I think they see the Elimination Chamber as their equivalent of War Games, but they go and make that a focused PPV between Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania. If they wanted to make Survivor Series a PPV around the Elimination Chamber, I wouldn't have a problem with that or making it about War Games, even if it wouldn't go along so well with the new PG image.

[Section 8]

The PPV on October 4, which will be held at The Prudential Center, is supposed to all be Hell in a Cell Matches from what I last heard.

I don't know if they've changed it yet...

[cougarjake13]

The PPV on October 4, which will be held at The Prudential Center, is supposed to all be Hell in a Cell Matches from what I last heard.

I don't know if they've changed it yet...

is that the one with the new name ??

[asayresk]

They should of played the whole dusty rhodes dvd instead of having live matches.

[TripleSkeet]

Recap..

- Ex Wrestling greats make much better guest hosts then anyone else.
- I actually loved the DX / Dusty vignettes where they are talking about WCW
- Santino as Shockmaster. Hes on screen 5 seconds and still rules
- The US title match was decent. I remember when theyd actually have a title change on Raw once in awhile
- Sigh. Even though Ortons in the main event again we finally had a new challenger...and they ruin it.
- Bob Barker???? Really????
- Raw just keeps falling further and further behind Impact as far as what show is better.

[whorehay]

Shockmaster comes to RAW!

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[CYYYFYYY]

Loved Raw this week. Ex Wrestlers make so much better GMs sadly though I think we will get more Bob Barkers of the world that makes no sense at all. I was really looking forward to the Rhodes Orton match however the way they did it... I LOVED it. Did not see it coming and yet it made sense! I also loved how Orton RKO'ed Dusty at the end to make him look totally evil. Great job this week.

Thought it could have even better if he put Golddust in the US belt race. I know he is on ECW but Shaq brought in Crime Time from SmackDown so it would not be insane.

[Fallon]

I thought it was a solid Raw, DX was very funny and I was glad to see them get a beatdown. They have put over Legacy pretty well, they just need a win at a PPV to seal it.

The fatal fourway was great, I really like all of those guys, but I was hoping Miz would win.

Orton is just nasty and it works. They just need him to face new people.

[conman823]

Orton is just nasty and it works. They just need him to face new people.

I STILL don't get Orton. His "Heelness" just seems so scripted and forced.

Orton as a face and Cena as a Heel would be way better.

[Dirtbag]

I STILL don't get Orton. His "Heelness" just seems so scripted and forced.Agreed. I laugh at Orton way too much for someone who's supposed to be a serious heel.

[sarsbusdriver]

I agree that Orton is a great heel for the puffy foam finger buying Cena fans. But for an intelligent wrestling fan(never thought I'd type that) he's a contrived joke of a heel.

[cougarjake13]

ive actually stopped dvr'ing raw and smackdown

[conman823]

ive actually stopped dvr'ing raw and smackdown

I stopped circa 2004.

I do DVR TNA though.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I stopped circa 2004.

I do DVR TNA though.

since don west got booted from the announce table i have not missed an episode.

[Chimee]

since don west got booted from the announce table i have not missed an episode.

I'm the same way, if I had nothing else to do, I'd watch TNA, but the second I heard Taz took over announcing, I look forward to watching it now.

As far as WWE goes, if I had the shitty channel they buried it on, I'd be watching Smackdown every week.

[cougarjake13]

I stopped circa 2004.

I do DVR TNA though.



i was dvr-ing all 5 shows ,,, raw smackdown ecw superstars and tna


now its just tna

[Fallon]

As far as WWE goes, if I had the shitty channel they buried it on, I'd be watching Smackdown every week.

I haven't been watching Smackdown because the quality of the network is terrible, it's worse than standard def.

I did just get tix to the 10th anniversary episode at the TD Garden at the end of the month.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I haven't been watching Smackdown because the quality of the network is terrible, it's worse than standard def.

I did just get tix to the 10th anniversary episode at the TD Garden at the end of the month.

it's been good lately. totally took over as the NO.1 brand since vince is so busy jacking to Cena and trips fighting over randy

[conman823]

it's been good lately. totally took over as the NO.1 brand since vince is so busy jacking to Cena and trips fighting over randy

Thats the best description of the state of WWE so far.

Don't forget dropping his draws for D-List guest hosts

[Cranky Guy]

Wrestling is only enjoyed by the mentally immature :annoyed:

[3Setsof10]

Wrestling is only enjoyed by the mentally immature :annoyed:

You should do very well on these boards

[TripleSkeet]

it's been good lately. totally took over as the NO.1 brand since vince is so busy jacking to Cena and trips fighting over randy

The whole reason I never got into Smackdown is because Raw used to be rated PG-14 and Smackdown was always PG. You could tell by the promos and the storylines it just seemed like dumbed down wrestling. Unfortunately now they are both rated PG and both seem to be equally dumbed down. Smackdown just has the better in ring performers, but besides that its equally as boring as Raw.

As much as I love the wrestling for me the storylines have to be there for me to enjoy it. 2 guys that have a great match is fine, but its not something that makes me want to watch week after week. In order to get my interest again theyve got to smarten up their storylines. And make some new main eventers.

[TripleSkeet]

Did everyone stop watching Raw???

This weeks was actually entertaining. Bob Barker played his role perfectly. He was definitely one of the better guest hosts.

- Santino once again...pure gold.
- The WWE are looking for guys to put in the main event? They shouldve watched the opening match between Jericho and MVP. There are 2 guys right there.
- Evan Bourne is pretty nuts to watch in the ring.

[foodcourtdruide]

Did everyone stop watching Raw???

This weeks was actually entertaining. Bob Barker played his role perfectly. He was definitely one of the better guest hosts.

- Santino once again...pure gold.
- The WWE are looking for guys to put in the main event? They shouldve watched the opening match between Jericho and MVP. There are 2 guys right there.
- Evan Bourne is pretty nuts to watch in the ring.

I agree with you. RAW has the main event talent, but for some reason Vince is obsessed with big guys. I don't think a guy needs to be gigantic to get over as a main eventer, look at how over Hardy was. It's funny, I feel like Smackdown does so much right, and Raw does so much wrong. And please, please, please GET RID OF THE DIVA DIVISION!!!!

[King Imp]

I very rarely watch anymore, but since the MNF games look like ass and since Trish Stratus is the host next week, I'll probably tune in just for her.

[cougarjake13]

Did everyone stop watching Raw???




i did

[cougarjake13]

I very rarely watch anymore, but since the MNF games look like ass and since Trish Stratus is the host next week, I'll probably tune in just for her.

ill def watch for her

[King Imp]

So, Trish definitely got hotter since leaving the WWE. Man, she was smoking! :wub:
She can't speak on the mic though to save her life. I seemed to remember her being better at that when she was with the company.

Speaking of sucking on the mic, Christ that was painful to listen to Mickie at the announcer's table. She did look great though as she obviously looked for the smallest top she could find to cram the girls into.

Okay, so what the fuck was that on DiBiase's ear? It looked like he had a gaping hole in it and they stuffed some gauze into the hole.

[Dirtbag]

I don't know what was a bigger distraction: Trish or Ted's ear.

[cougarjake13]

So, Trish definitely got hotter since leaving the WWE. Man, she was smoking! :wub:
She can't speak on the mic though to save her life. I seemed to remember her being better at that when she was with the company.

Speaking of sucking on the mic, Christ that was painful to listen to Mickie at the announcer's table. She did look great though as she obviously looked for the smallest top she could find to cram the girls into.

Okay, so what the fuck was that on DiBiase's ear? It looked like he had a gaping hole in it and they stuffed some gauze into the hole.


ran 4 batches to trish

[brettmojo]

I love my fiance for calling me and letting me know Trish was hosting.

Holy shit does she look fantastic with dark hair.

[Fallon]

Miss Trish :(

[TripleSkeet]

All this time later and shes still hotter then any of the Divas.

[brettmojo]

Seeing her really made it sadder that I no longer give a shit about wrestling.

[cougarjake13]

All this time later and shes still hotter then any of the Divas.

x2

[TjM]

AL SHARPTON WTF!!!! :ohmy:

[MIKEYDAKEN]

AL SHARPTON WTF!!!! :ohmy:

come on it is a way to get mvp, mark henry, cryme tyme and shelton all on one show. you know to really give it to the all the white devils who keep them down.

[TripleSkeet]

That Raw was awful. As usual, the only redeeming factor on the show was Santino. And Lillians speech, that was a nice little moment they gave her.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

If anyone can cut a promo, it's Al Sharpton.

[epo]

The one thing I've gotta give RAW some credit for is elevating Rhodes & Dibiase without Orton. DX have done a nice job of bringing them up the card and creating a couple of really good heels.

[TripleSkeet]

The one thing I've gotta give RAW some credit for is elevating Rhodes & Dibiase without Orton. DX have done a nice job of bringing them up the card and creating a couple of really good heels.

I agree with this. DX has really been doing a good job at putting those two guys over.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I would be extremely surprised if Legacy won their match at Hell in the Cell. What a way to get them over the top.

[Fallon]

I would be extremely surprised if Legacy won their match at Hell in the Cell. What a way to get them over the top.

I wouldn't be upset if Legacy lost though. Them winning at Breaking Point was huge.

[Chimee]

come on it is a way to get mvp, mark henry, cryme tyme and shelton all on one show. you know to really give it to the all the white devils who keep them down.

I'm sensing a Race War 10-Man Tag Match.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I'm sensing a Race War 10-Man Tag Match.

with an old fashion uncle tom ending.

[Dirtbag]

I will forgive this whole guest host debacle if they can get Lesnar to do it before his UFC 106 fight with Carwin.

[hit11man]

now theres talk on wrestling sites about bret hart coming in for a weekly role as a commissioner or something similiar. While hes my favorite ever-im not sure id like to see him do this

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I will forgive this whole guest host debacle if they can get Lesnar to do it before his UFC 106 fight with Carwin.

there is a better chance of benoit doing a run in at hell in a cell and winning the strap of of cena.

[Ocho Cinco]

for the record... as much as i hate cena him calling out orton was pretty funny. i dont know how orton can say anything after he quit in like 2 seconds, and cena really told it to his face for once. it was almost like a heel call out, i'll give cena props for once. and then go back to hating him

oh yeah give swagger the belt at the ppv already he's money

[brettmojo]

RAW is 30 minutes from my house tonight?

Meh.

[cougarjake13]

RAW is 30 minutes from my house tonight?

Meh.

thats what i said when i saw raw was coming to tampa

[MIKEYDAKEN]

oh my god! that ending was a shocker. cena now hold on to your hat's folks over came same a a beatdown from 3 guys to really give it randy orton. same shit week after week i stopped watching a few weeks ago and just jumped back in with no run down needed. god tna or roh need to step up now.

[whorehay]

I'm gonna give them 3 months and if Cena and Orton is still the main event, i'm done for good.
I feel like they should be paying me to watch this garbage.

[TripleSkeet]

Once again Santino is the greatest part of Raw. When he started calling Reverand Al Don King I fucking lost it.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Once again Santino is the greatest part of Raw. When he started calling Reverand Al Don King I fucking lost it.

he really should just dump vince and go on tour as comedian.

[TripleSkeet]

he really should just dump vince and go on tour as comedian.

I think the reason I really find his character so funny is because he plays it so fucking real. My father is actually from Calabria Italy, and he talks exactly like Santino. The same broken english and fucking up words the same way. As kids we always thought my dad was unintentionally hilarious and its like seeing that character brought to tv every week.

[cougarjake13]

Once again Santino is the greatest part of Raw. When he started calling Reverand Al Don King I fucking lost it.



i love santino and i just google his bits


the rest of raw is unwatchable

[TripleSkeet]

Supposedly The Rock cuts a promo on Smackdown this week and mentions guest hosting Raw in the future.

[Fallon]

Supposedly The Rock cuts a promo on Smackdown this week and mentions guest hosting Raw in the future.

Yeah, it was at the end of the promo where he starts rhyming. It was something along the lines of "the great one without a flaw and the future guest host of monday night raw... the rock"

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Yeah, it was at the end of the promo where he starts rhyming. It was something along the lines of "the great one without a flaw and the future guest host of monday night raw... the rock"

just shows his movie roles are ever so close to being direct to DVD. hope Vince puts him in the kiss my ass club.

[Fallon]

just shows his movie roles are ever so close to being direct to DVD. hope Vince puts him in the kiss my ass club.

Are you saying this won't be a blockbuster?

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[Dirtbag]

Are you saying this won't be a blockbuster?

A black guy playing hockey? I'm already out.

[conman823]

A black guy playing hockey? I'm already out.

When I think Hockey action I think Black-Samoans

[TripleSkeet]

What the fuck? He was supposed to take over for guys like Bruce Willis and Stallone as the next big action star. Now all he does is Disney faggot kid films. Fucking pathetic.

[NickyL0885]

What the fuck? He was supposed to take over for guys like Bruce Willis and Stallone as the next big action star. Now all he does is Disney faggot kid films. Fucking pathetic.

Yes but they do well.

[Dirtbag]

What was the last action flick he made? Doom? Did it really bomb so bad it scared him (or producers) outta the genre?

[TripleSkeet]

What was the last action flick he made? Doom? Did it really bomb so bad it scared him (or producers) outta the genre?

I dont know but I really enjoyed The Rundown and Walking Tall. It fucking sucks but honestly who can turn down all that Disney cash?

[CYYYFYYY]

Well they found out a way for me to root for Cena, they CLAIM, if Cena wins no rematches, hence me rooting for Cena

[cougarjake13]

What was the last action flick he made? Doom? Did it really bomb so bad it scared him (or producers) outta the genre?

I dont know but I really enjoyed The Rundown and Walking Tall. It fucking sucks but honestly who can turn down all that Disney cash?

yeh doom was the last one where he was main character in action


dont think you can count gridiron gang where he was a coach and get smart where he wasnt the main guy as action


but he does have johnny quest coming out

[Tenbatsuzen]

When I think Hockey action I think Black-Samoans

can't figure out if he wants to steal or eat


linger longer, sickboy

[Tenbatsuzen]

I dont know but I really enjoyed The Rundown and Walking Tall. It fucking sucks but honestly who can turn down all that Disney cash?

It's not a Disney, it's a Fox movie. But apparently he wants to make movies his kid can see. I don't fault him. Family-friendly movies make money.

I honestly think (and I said this on FARK) is that he just wants a paycheck, why I don't fault him for. Do two movies a year, have the ex-wife invest the money, retire when you're 45.

[TripleSkeet]

It's not a Disney, it's a Fox movie. But apparently he wants to make movies his kid can see. I don't fault him. Family-friendly movies make money.

I honestly think (and I said this on FARK) is that he just wants a paycheck, why I don't fault him for. Do two movies a year, have the ex-wife invest the money, retire when you're 45.

I agree. I just really wish hed come back to wrestling here and there in between movies. Especially with how pathetic its gotten in recent years. The fucking fans in attendance didnt even know to start chanting Rocky when he said it during his promo. Its seems like half the fuckingWWE audience dont even know who he is anymore.

Maybe its because ever since it became the kindergarten friendly they never show anything from 1997-2000. Even on WWE 24-7, with the exception of the heavily edited Monday Night Wars once a month they show nothing from the Attitude Era. Its an embarrassment. Those 3 year made Vince McMahon a fucking billionaire, and they ignore it like the retarded kid in a family photo.

[Dirtbag]

I agree. I just really wish hed come back to wrestling here and there in between movies. Especially with how pathetic its gotten in recent years. The fucking fans in attendance didnt even know to start chanting Rocky when he said it during his promo. Its seems like half the fuckingWWE audience dont even know who he is anymore.
They didn't forget about him. Half the WWE audience is 10 years old and never knew who he was to begin with.

[TripleSkeet]

They didn't forget about him. Half the WWE audience is 10 years old and never knew who he was to begin with.

Exactly. As a wrestling fan I find that to be embarrassing.Even when growing up and rooting for Roddy Piper and watching Hogan and Flair and those guys, I at least knew who Bruno Sammartino and Bob Backlund were.

[cougarjake13]

Exactly. As a wrestling fan I find that to be embarrassing.Even when growing up and rooting for Roddy Piper and watching Hogan and Flair and those guys, I at least knew who Bruno Sammartino and Bob Backlund were.

kids today are too busy playing video games to know the history of anything

[vjr97]

bring back ric flair now!!

[epo]

bring back ric flair now!!

Why?

[TripleSkeet]

I watch the PPV tonight on Paltalk for free.....WOW. I cant believe people are actually paying to watch that and not demanding their money back.

Taker and Punk for the title as the opening match?

R-Truth vs some jobber named Drew Macentyre at the 10 oclock hour?

All those Hell in a Cell matches and not one drop of blood?

It was fucking pathetic.

[conman823]

I watch the PPV tonight on Paltalk for free
It was fucking pathetic.

I'm shocked

[Dirtbag]

Cena and Orton for an hour. Sounds great.

[conman823]

Cena and Orton for an hour. Sounds great.

Its my worst nightmare. The sad part is some fucking ignorant 10 year old Marked out for this shit.

Do the 2 of them know 10 wrestling moves between them?

[Freitag]

Between Mickie James last week and Gail Kim this week - not a good time for the Matty Fridays Special.

[TripleSkeet]

Last nights show just seemed boring. I cant believe they are going with another Orton / Cena match. How do people buy these PPV's??? Are these kids fucking retarded?

When I was a kid my parents barely followed wrestling but even my dad wouldnt buy a PPV 6 times in a row where the same 2 guys fought.

Oh by the way, I met Christian, Shane Helms, Jimmy Yang, Mike Knox and Katie Burchill at Benny the Bums in Philly last night. They were very cool and had a few drinks with us. Only this bar was too dark for my shitty phone to get any pictures. :(

[TripleSkeet]

Oh and yesterday I watched WWE 24/7 and a Raw from January 1998. It was the one where the New Age Outlaws throw the dumpster off the ramp with Foley and Funk in it. You want to see how compelling a show Raw used to be? Watch that episode.

Even though you could tell there was no way they could be seriously injured they had the audience honestly suspending disbelief. With random good guy and bad guy wrestlers coming out and watching as they put them in an ambulance, Sunny crying, Vince McMahon looking shocked and random guys like Flash Funk losing his shit and going after the Outlaws...while they were apologizing to Vince.

Great fucking tv. And that had nothing to do with a PG rating either. There were very few swears, one middle finger, no sexual innuendo, and no blood. Just a tight, very intense dramatic show. Watching it back to back with a Raw from now just shows the differences so much clearer.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Oh and yesterday I watched WWE 24/7 and a Raw from January 1998. It was the one where the New Age Outlaws throw the dumpster off the ramp with Foley and Funk in it. You want to see how compelling a show Raw used to be? Watch that episode.

Even though you could tell there was no way they could be seriously injured they had the audience honestly suspending disbelief. With random good guy and bad guy wrestlers coming out and watching as they put them in an ambulance, Sunny crying, Vince McMahon looking shocked and random guys like Flash Funk losing his shit and going after the Outlaws...while they were apologizing to Vince.

Great fucking tv. And that had nothing to do with a PG rating either. There were very few swears, one middle finger, no sexual innuendo, and no blood. Just a tight, very intense dramatic show. Watching it back to back with a Raw from now just shows the differences so much clearer.

just shows that vince and vince need each other.

[NickyL0885]

I saw this on an MSN wrestling blog. This was written after talking about how CM Punk was squashed by the Undertaker at the ppv:

"WWE wonders why ratings and attendance are down. And Vince McMahon himself yelled "Why can't we make new stars goddammit?" a WWE creative meeting recently.

The answer is right in front of you WWE, yet you refuse to see it."

I know, its not shocking.

[Fallon]

Taker doesn't deserve the title. How the fuck are they supposed to promote house shows if the champ doesn't work them.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Taker doesn't deserve the title. How the fuck are they supposed to promote house shows if the champ doesn't work them.

the new story i have heard is they want to jump right back into the taker/batista storyline of one not being able to wrestle and the other having his body breakdown on him in matches.

[Fallon]

the new story i have heard is they want to jump right back into the taker/batista storyline of one not being able to wrestle and the other having his body breakdown on him in matches.

Batista is worthless.

He has "the look" and that's it. I've never cared about him except for the time he turned on Triple H and Evolution.

[NickyL0885]

the new story i have heard is they want to jump right back into the taker/batista storyline of one not being able to wrestle and the other having his body breakdown on him in matches.

I read that, apparently, Taker didnt like the Punk didnt "dress" like a champion. When asked about it, Punk said "what about john cena?". So, management took that as Punk thinking he is better then Cena. So, the decided to punish him by making him drop the belt at the ppv.

[Dirtbag]

I read that, apparently, Taker didnt like the Punk didnt "dress" like a champion. When asked about it, Punk said "what about john cena?". So, management took that as Punk thinking he is better then Cena. So, the decided to punish him by making him drop the belt at the ppv.

Where does Taker get off making a comment like that? I realize he's gotta stick to his gimmick but since when does a world champion dress like a mortician/zombie/biker?

[TripleSkeet]

Ive been wishing Taker would just fucking retire for 8 years now. We get it, your the Dead Man. Great. Youve been in the WWE forever and I could count the great feuds youve had on one hand.

The only reason he never lost a Wrestlemania is before that was his "gimmick" he always wrestled nobodies at Mania. Has he ever had a Mania main event people gave a fuck about?

[Fallon]

Ive been wishing Taker would just fucking retire for 8 years now. We get it, your the Dead Man. Great. Youve been in the WWE forever and I could count the great feuds youve had on one hand.

The only reason he never lost a Wrestlemania is before that was his "gimmick" he always wrestled nobodies at Mania. Has he ever had a Mania main event people gave a fuck about?

Every year has been his "last mania" for a few years now. I wish he'd just put someone over and lose. God forbid you make a 45 year old look weak.


Happy 2000.

[foodcourtdruide]

I read that, apparently, Taker didnt like the Punk didnt "dress" like a champion. When asked about it, Punk said "what about john cena?". So, management took that as Punk thinking he is better then Cena. So, the decided to punish him by making him drop the belt at the ppv.

I'm so happy good storylines get interrupted by such innanely stupid politics. Punk is a great heel champ, he could have had an awesome run and had a long-running feud up to Wrestlemania. WWE is so annoying. Smackdown is still a million times better than Raw. Seeing DX in the ring is like watching a Beach Boys concert in 2006.

[conman823]

I read that, apparently, Taker didnt like the Punk didnt "dress" like a champion. When asked about it, Punk said "what about john cena?". So, management took that as Punk thinking he is better then Cena. So, the decided to punish him by making him drop the belt at the ppv.

Cena is Vince's golden boy. He spent a lot of time and money forcing him down our throats as a world champion, and damn it you WILL NOT SPEAK AGAINST HIM!!


Undertaker amounts to the biggest "Yes" man in WWE. His locker room leadership includes "Hey just do whatever shit ass gimmick Vince has because at least you get paid."

[TripleSkeet]

Cena is Vince's golden boy. He spent a lot of time and money forcing him down our throats as a world champion, and damn it you WILL NOT SPEAK AGAINST HIM!!


Undertaker amounts to the biggest "Yes" man in WWE. His locker room leadership includes "Hey just do whatever shit ass gimmick Vince has because at least you get paid."

The funny part is, reading that I took it more as "How come I dress no worse then John Cena as champion yet you say shit to me and not to him?" More then I did "Cena dresses bad for a champion too."

The part I dont get is the Undertaker, whos biggest claim to fame is "living" his lame ass fucking gimmick, is giving a hard time to a kid whos gimmick is that of a punk kid, and probably dresses that part. How ridiculous would CM Punk look with the gimmick he has getting on a plane with a $1000 suit like Ric Flair?

God I wish TNA and Spike TV would step the fuck up and go on Mondays head-to-head with Raw.

[Dirtbag]

The part I dont get is the Undertaker, whos biggest claim to fame is "living" his lame ass fucking gimmick, is giving a hard time to a kid whos gimmick is that of a punk kid, and probably dresses that part. How ridiculous would CM Punk look with the gimmick he has getting on a plane with a $1000 suit like Ric Flair?

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[TripleSkeet]

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Thanks for proving my point. He looks ridiculous.

[Knowledged_one]

so they are doing the war games without the war games aspect of it at the next ppv

pure genius i tell you, if they called it war games it would get double the buy rates

[falcon95]

I miss the old days of dx the new age outlaws vader,ahmed johnson and stone cold and mankind raw just isn't good anymore its just one gimick after another.Bring back wcw:help:

[CYYYFYYY]

a 7 on 7 match. Absolutely Horrid.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

a 7 on 7 match. Absolutely Horrid.

a 7 on 7 that raw will dominate cause all of the smackdown heavy's are in one main event.

[CYYYFYYY]

Make that 5 f top Smackdowns.... Morrison (Who is a top 7 on SmackDown) is fighting Miz who is not a top Raw star

[TripleSkeet]

Horrible guest hosts this week. Is this big match just gonna be a 7 on 7 tag match? Because Id rather hammer a rusty nail through the head of my dick then pay to see that.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Horrible guest hosts this week. Is this big match just gonna be a 7 on 7 tag match? Because Id rather hammer a rusty nail through the head of my dick then pay to see that.

hey don't forget the 60 minute douchebag match plus on top of that we have the reformation of the undertaker-batista bore fest AND morrison will carry miz through a match. here is what comes out of this ppv taker/batista, rey and punk start a program and triple h goes back into the title race.

[Chimee]

Why can't they just wait and do the big tag match at Survivor Series like they've done for the past 20 years?

[Fallon]

Why can't they just wait and do the big tag match at Survivor Series like they've done for the past 20 years?

Cause they need to promote their video game NOW!

[Knowledged_one]

I said it two months or so ago and its just as true today

The Miz is the absolute best thing on Raw right now

[TripleSkeet]

I said it two months or so ago and its just as true today

The Miz is the absolute best thing on Raw right now

I beg to differ...

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/967/77747067.jpg (http://img79.imageshack.us/i/77747067.jpg/)

[Knowledged_one]

Santino gets what 30 seconds of mic time, he doesnt wrestle hes getting kind of played out, like the Godfather with his hoes

The Miz ran down Cena,


AND HES AWESOME

[asayresk]

Santino gets what 30 seconds of mic time, he doesnt wrestle hes getting kind of played out, like the Godfather with his hoes

The Miz ran down Cena,


AND HES AWESOME

Wow, Miz fans do exist. Very rare.:ohmy:

[Knowledged_one]

Wow, Miz fans do exist. Very rare.:ohmy:

Im just ahead of the curve, the guy is on his way up

Hes built himself a niche on Raw

and next time hes out, listen to the crowd, they are starting to chant along with his

And im Awesome saying

Trust me

[TripleSkeet]

Santino gets what 30 seconds of mic time, he doesnt wrestle hes getting kind of played out, like the Godfather with his hoes

The Miz ran down Cena,


AND HES AWESOME

In those 30 seconds Santino steals the show week after week.

The Miz is ok at best. Hes not a great worker and "Im Awesome" is the lamest fucking catchphrase since "Im a wrestling GOD".

Hes not even the best fucking wrestler from his own tag team.

[Fallon]

<------------ Miz fan

[CYYYFYYY]

I am a fan of the MIx. I think he work is very solid and his mic skills are very good. My lady friend is a big Miz fan and she does not like wrastling but she recalls him from his real world days.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

<------------ Miz fan

fez is a miz fan?

[asayresk]

I havent been wacthing Raw as much. Maybe I 'll pay more attention to the Miz, Since he has a strong following.

[Knowledged_one]

I havent been wacthing Raw as much. Maybe I 'll pay more attention to the Miz, Since he has a strong following.

He's the Miz and he's Awesome

and lets face it Kofi Kingston horrible as a singles wrestler they should rebuild the tag ranks even more and tag him with someone legit (like MVP)

Another one is Jack Swagger that guy is a fucking beast, im betting on a Swagger v Miz feud coming up for rumble (hope its a slow burn feud)

[conman823]

This Miz fan shit is exactly what WWE is breeding into people these past few years. Force feeding you sub-par talent and hoping you forget what a real wrestler is.

As far as his "crowd chant", just because 12 year olds don't know better doesn't mean you don't.

[TripleSkeet]

He's the Miz and he's Awesome

and lets face it Kofi Kingston horrible as a singles wrestler they should rebuild the tag ranks even more and tag him with someone legit (like MVP)

Another one is Jack Swagger that guy is a fucking beast, im betting on a Swagger v Miz feud coming up for rumble (hope its a slow burn feud)

I like Jack Swagger. I see him as a future main eventer. As far as Kindston goes, hes head and shoulders above the Miz as far as in ring talent goes. I dont mind the Miz on the mic. He says some shit I actually find entertaining, I just feel his catchphrase is absolute dogshit.

[CYYYFYYY]

I like Miz, Love Swagger and Koffi is growing on me, maybe him as a heel would help, not sure, I think he has the talent I just don't love his character

[Dirtbag]

Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I think Miz is one of those guys like WCW-era Jericho who knows he's being ridiculous but the hayseeds eat it up. Yeah, he's pretty average in the ring (who these days in the WWE that hasn't been around since 1995 isn't?) but he's great on the mic and the verbal beatings he was giving Cena (again, like Jericho/Goldberg in WCW) were fantastic.

[Knowledged_one]

Miz #1
Jack Swagger is #1a on the show

Here is the thing with the Miz yeah hes average in the ring, kinda like the Road Dogg to Morrisons Bill Gunn

But he found a gimmic that he knew would draw him heat and make him over the top

Plus the Im the Miz and Im awesome always makes me think of the guy in the commerical who was the Wiz - Thats what they are playing to more then anything else in my mind, and the hayseeds dont eat him up yet, that will be in 4 months.

Right now its the people who recognize how truly great he is on Raw that like him

[Knowledged_one]

Oh yeah hes the Miz and hes awesome suck it Morrison

[asayresk]

Good win for Kofi Johnson. On the downside why do they have these nascar guys hosting raw. If your gonna have a guest star at least have someone who knows what they are talking about.

[Chimee]

Good win for Kofi Johnson. On the downside why do they have these nascar guys hosting raw. If your gonna have a guest star at least have someone who knows what they are talking about.

What are you talking about? These guys are great, so natural. Just look at the way they introduced Kofi Joh-King-Johnson-Kingston.

[asayresk]

Oh yeah hes the Miz and hes awesome suck it Morrison

His name is the Miz and his catchphrase sucks. If you smell what the rock is cooking!!!! It true its damn true!

[asayresk]

The only reason Santino didnt do the Melina Split is because he has male genitalia.

[asayresk]

Hornswoggle is illiterate and Chavo is still wrestling:lol::lol::lol:

[Knowledged_one]

What are you talking about? These guys are great, so natural. Just look at the way they introduced Kofi Joh-King-Johnson-Kingston.

at least they didnt say summerfest

[Knowledged_one]

He's the Miz and he's Awesome

and lets face it Kofi Kingston horrible as a singles wrestler they should rebuild the tag ranks even more and tag him with someone legit (like MVP)

Another one is Jack Swagger that guy is a fucking beast, im betting on a Swagger v Miz feud coming up for rumble (hope its a slow burn feud)

Wow did I call the Miz v. Swagger match up or what

[TripleSkeet]

Ugh. I just read last night they stopped the clock in the Ironman match because Cena accidentally got split open and they had to hold up to seal the cut and clean him up.

This is during a "No Holds Barred 60 Minute Ironman Match". Vince McMahon what the fuck have you done to my beloved wrestling????

[asayresk]

I dont know whats worse, an MLB umpire or a wwe ref.

[Knowledged_one]

The only reason Santino didnt do the Melina Split is because he has male genitalia.

Gotta tell you its the rubes and hayseeds that eat up the Santino stuff

The masses hate The Man, the Myth, The Miz

[Knowledged_one]

I dont know whats worse, an MLB umpire or a wwe ref.

shhhhhhhhhhhh its a secret but WWE isnt real, the refs are supposed to not recognize things

Keep that under your hat

[asayresk]

Sheamis the irish wrestler. time for a bathroom break.

[Knowledged_one]

Sheamis the irish wrestler. time for a bathroom break.

I thought ESD got a new job as a wrestler

[asayresk]

I thought ESD got a new job as a wrestler

ESD on roids

[Knowledged_one]

wow that santino bit before getting choke slammed was hilarious :dry:

[asayresk]

The end was looking good. The assault on Big Show was great. Mark Henry Splash, mvp big boot the shooting star from evan bourne. Even Santino had a little part. However it went down hill for me when hbk missed the super kick. what made this raw worse is that the two wrestling experts announced that Hbk,hhh, and john cena will be in a 3 way macth for the title at the ppv.:wallbash:

[King Imp]

When did Kofi forget he's supposed to have a Jamaican accent?

[TripleSkeet]

wow that santino bit before getting choke slammed was hilarious :dry:

Santino >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Miz

You have dogshit for taste in wrestlers.
The Cobra is my new favorite move.

[TripleSkeet]

When did Kofi forget he's supposed to have a Jamaican accent?

Last week.

[Knowledged_one]

Santino >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Miz

You have dogshit for taste in wrestlers.
The Cobra is my new favorite move.

Santino doesnt even wrestle hes fucking horrible, the Miz is better in ring and better on the stick

Santino is coimc relief he is the new Al Snow and Head or Saturn and Moppy or Chavo and his wooden horse on a stick

I would have to say if my taste in wrestlers is dogshit yours is like fucking whaleshit

Santino is a no talent hack clown

[TripleSkeet]

Santino doesnt even wrestle hes fucking horrible, the Miz is better in ring and better on the stick

Santino is coimc relief he is the new Al Snow and Head or Saturn and Moppy or Chavo and his wooden horse on a stick

I would have to say if my taste in wrestlers is dogshit yours is like fucking whaleshit

Santino is a no talent hack clown

Wrong. Hes alot better on the mic then the Miz, as far as in the ring goes, I honestly cant tell you whos better. He wrestles the way his gimmick dictates which is why its comic releif but I remember when he debuted he had some really good matches.

The Miz is fucking mediocre at best. A poor mans Val Venis. Unfortunately Santinos gimmick guarantees he never goes main event but it doesnt change the fact hes the most entertaining part of Raw week in and week out. Watch that main event again...when they were all attacking show nobody got a bigger pop.

Fear the cobra! Hissssssssss

[MIKEYDAKEN]

hey who wants to bet that trips goes heel at the ppv and wins back the strap? then we get to see him and cena go back and forth till randy orton turns face and goes after him. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Chimee]

When did Kofi forget he's supposed to have a Jamaican accent?

A few weeks back they started announcing that he's from Africa and now when he talks he sounds bland and white.

Wrong. Hes alot better on the mic then the Miz, as far as in the ring goes, I honestly cant tell you whos better. He wrestles the way his gimmick dictates which is why its comic releif but I remember when he debuted he had some really good matches.

The Miz is fucking mediocre at best. A poor mans Val Venis. Unfortunately Santinos gimmick guarantees he never goes main event but it doesnt change the fact hes the most entertaining part of Raw week in and week out. Watch that main event again...when they were all attacking show nobody got a bigger pop.

Fear the cobra! Hissssssssss

Even the parts during the match when the cameras picked up what Santino was saying was great. They should put him on commentary.

[Knowledged_one]

The Miz dominant once again this week

[TripleSkeet]

The Miz dominant once again this week

I loved when Ozzy looked at him and said "Who are you?"

[NickyL0885]

I thought Ricky Hatton was a boxer? He's fat. Jeez.

[disneyspy]

is that gvac in the ring?

[Knowledged_one]

At least Raw has an awesome captain for Survivor Serires

and again

Miz best on Raw
Jack Swagger #1a on Raw

[CYYYFYYY]

They need Santinio to get tougher, the way to do that is match him up with a Deva again have a pretty decent wreeeestler attack ehr and he comes and save her, have a nice feud and have him win it

[Knowledged_one]

They need Santinio to get tougher, the way to do that is match him up with a Deva again have a pretty decent wreeeestler attack ehr and he comes and save her, have a nice feud and have him win it

He is comedic relief he is not a wrestler. It would be like putting the Godfather in a real feud back in the day

Maybe they can have him get some wins against Gillberg or Barry Horowitz that ought to build his resume

[TripleSkeet]

He is comedic relief he is not a wrestler. It would be like putting the Godfather in a real feud back in the day

Maybe they can have him get some wins against Gillberg or Barry Horowitz that ought to build his resume

Enough already. Hes as much a wrestler as the Miz is. And better on the mic. He could make some great angles if theyd just put him in a storyline and let him wrestle. Dont forget this is the same guy that was the first to beat Umaga and win the Intercontinental title in his first match.

[Dirtbag]

Enough already. Hes as much a wrestler as the Miz is. And better on the mic. He could make some great angles if theyd just put him in a storyline and let him wrestle. Dont forget this is the same guy that was the first to beat Umaga and win the Intercontinental title in his first match.
Um... do you remember exactly what happened in that match and the most disastrous face run since Rocky Maivia that followed? I don't think anyone that hasn't seen OVW (or wherever he was) even knows if the guy can wrestle or not. He was either a face taking ass kickings and pulling out miracle victories or a chickenshit heel losing badly to wrestlers or defeating women.

[Section 8]

Santino Marello was known in OVW as Boris Alexiev for a while. His gimmick was as a Russian striker/submission/MMA type. Lots of throws and suplexes. He could actually wrestle.

There's good and bad to this:

Good: He's getting paid very well by Vince to travel and be funny. His career is being extended by who-knows-how-many years because he's not doing as much ringwork.

Bad: His wrestling talent is being wasted with this gimmick. I guess that it's good to know that when/if he stops being funny, he can still work.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Which would you rather have? Be paid for being an entertaining character who doesn't have to take too many bumps and put their body on the line all the time or the opposite?

[TripleSkeet]

Which would you rather have? Be paid for being an entertaining character who doesn't have to take too many bumps and put their body on the line all the time or the opposite?

You can do both. Example: Chris Jericho (WCW days especially)

[asayresk]

I tought it was funny when Jericho called Ricky Hatton little man. Jericho must of felt ten feet tall.

[Knowledged_one]

Santino Marello was known in OVW as Boris Alexiev for a while. His gimmick was as a Russian striker/submission/MMA type. Lots of throws and suplexes. He could actually wrestle.

There's good and bad to this:

Good: He's getting paid very well by Vince to travel and be funny. His career is being extended by who-knows-how-many years because he's not doing as much ringwork.

Bad: His wrestling talent is being wasted with this gimmick. I guess that it's good to know that when/if he stops being funny, he can still work.

Ask Chavo how the Good side is working out for him, and if he likes it

[Knowledged_one]

Enough already. Hes as much a wrestler as the Miz is. And better on the mic. He could make some great angles if theyd just put him in a storyline and let him wrestle. Dont forget this is the same guy that was the first to beat Umaga and win the Intercontinental title in his first match.

Dont tell me enough already, sorry that i am not a sheep like the rubes and masses who dig the santino "comedy" bit. I think its hack and others have done it better.

And Taz beat Kurt Angle for Angles first defeat and look where that went. (PS - he didnt really beat Umaga it was scripted that way)

[TripleSkeet]

Dont tell me enough already, sorry that i am not a sheep like the rubes and masses who dig the santino "comedy" bit. I think its hack and others have done it better.

And Taz beat Kurt Angle for Angles first defeat and look where that went. (PS - he didnt really beat Umaga it was scripted that way)

Rubes and masses? Get the fuck out of here. Santino used his own comdey to get over with those masses. Your boy Miz can barely generate cheap heat. Hes garbage, hes second rate, and take a good look at that US title because thats as high as that kids ever gonna go in the WWE. The fact they made Morrison job to him is a joke. Shit the fact they made Marty Jannetty job to him was a joke.

[Knowledged_one]

Rubes and masses? Get the fuck out of here. Santino used his own comdey to get over with those masses. Your boy Miz can barely generate cheap heat. Hes garbage, hes second rate, and take a good look at that US title because thats as high as that kids ever gonna go in the WWE. The fact they made Morrison job to him is a joke. Shit the fact they made Marty Jannetty job to him was a joke.

So does Santino's dick really fit that well in your ass after all this time

[asayresk]

Rubes and masses? Get the fuck out of here. Santino used his own comdey to get over with those masses. Your boy Miz can barely generate cheap heat. Hes garbage, hes second rate, and take a good look at that US title because thats as high as that kids ever gonna go in the WWE. The fact they made Morrison job to him is a joke. Shit the fact they made Marty Jannetty job to him was a joke.

The Fact that The Miz & John Morrison are Champions is a disgrace.

[TripleSkeet]

The Fact that The Miz & John Morrison are Champions is a disgrace.

John Morrison is fantastic and should be main eventing. The Miz is decent for a mid-carder...but thats it. You say Im jocking Santino but hes not higher then a mid-carder either. But hes a heck of alot more entertaining then "Im The Miz.....and Im Awesome!!!"

That fucking catchphrase alone should tell you hes fucking lame. It ranks right up there with "Im the Boogeyman....and Im comin to getcha!!!"

[Knowledged_one]

John Morrison is fantastic and should be main eventing. The Miz is decent for a mid-carder...but thats it. You say Im jocking Santino but hes not higher then a mid-carder either. But hes a heck of alot more entertaining then "Im The Miz.....and Im Awesome!!!"

That fucking catchphrase alone should tell you hes fucking lame. It ranks right up there with "Im the Boogeyman....and Im comin to getcha!!!"

So lame that the crowd last night after he said

Im the Miz

Followed it up with and IM awesome

What is Santino's catch phrase btw? I stutter and stumble but im the best comic relief since Ralphus

[Sue_Bender]

So lame that the crowd last night after he said

Im the Miz

Followed it up with and IM awesome

What is Santino's catch phrase btw? I stutter and stumble but im the best comic relief since Ralphus

Catch phrases do not equal entertainment.

[TripleSkeet]

So lame that the crowd last night after he said

Im the Miz

Followed it up with and IM awesome

What is Santino's catch phrase btw? I stutter and stumble but im the best comic relief since Ralphus

Hmmm...funny werent you saying something about appealing to the rubes and masses earlier?

Just because people shout them out doesnt make a catchphrase good.

And thats the bottom line... = good
The champ is here = shit

If you smell what The Rock is cookin = good
I am a wrestling GOD = shit

Ive got two words for ya = Good (but very old now)
What? = Shit

To be the man, youve gotta beat the man = good
Im the Miz and Im awesome = shit

Santino doesnt need a catchphrase. 95% of the time hes on tv he makes the segment. He never needed cheap heat when he was a heel.

[conman823]

You guys realize your arguing over 2 "sports entertainers" who couldn't headline a Jersey All Pro event right?

I'm not sure what the greatest thing on RAW these days, from what I caught this past Monday its the commercials.

It certainly isn't Cena, Micheals and HHH for the Title at Survivor Series.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

You guys realize your arguing over 2 "sports entertainers" who couldn't headline a Jersey All Pro event right?

I'm not sure what the greatest thing on RAW these days, from what I caught this past Monday its the commercials.

It certainly isn't Cena, Micheals and HHH for the Title at Survivor Series.

come on you mean you can't wait to see HHH turns on Hbk to get HIS belt back so then we have cena vs HHH or even the highly anticipated orton vs HHH. choke on a dick vinne mac your family is running off that sinking ship of nepotism that you killed. by the way the miz sucked on the real world and he still sucks in the wwe.

[TheDarkOne]

I always wonder what Raw and the E would be like under different management. The great Tom Zenk used to talk at length about this and watching last night's episode made me think of this.
I don't think the program is unwatchable from week to week, but they suffer from using the same tired bits and turns. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the younger talent get wins over DX for example but under the current state of affairs I don't see it happening unless it's a build to another pay per view where the good guy eventually wins. I think the show suffers most from not having a consistent heel champion. Every time Orton gains moment the Champ shows up. It would be great to see Orton, Jericho, and possibly a few others create a stable that would be unstoppable by any of the faces but so many of the heels have been made to look so weak it would be a hard sell.

[conman823]

come on you mean you can't wait to see HHH turns on Hbk to get HIS belt back so then we have cena vs HHH or even the highly anticipated orton vs HHH. choke on a dick vinne mac your family is running off that sinking ship of nepotism that you killed. by the way the miz sucked on the real world and he still sucks in the wwe.

See now that situation would ruin the sale of all the DX Merch the kids are eating up these days.

I think Cena slips out another win, possibly after a worked injury to either Trips or HBK.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm not sure what the greatest thing on RAW these days, from what I caught this past Monday its the commercials.

It certainly isn't Cena, Micheals and HHH for the Title at Survivor Series.

I think thats the point. He thinks the best thing on Raw right now is The Miz. I think its Santino. Either way the fact that we really believe this is sad for the product as a whole.

See now that situation would ruin the sale of all the DX Merch the kids are eating up these days.


I cant believe I once loved this gimmick. Talk about taking something good and just embarrassing it. It would be like bringing Stone Cold back only instead of giving people the finger, now he would just take two fingers and do the shame, shame, shame sign.

[Section 8]

So lame that the crowd last night after he said

Im the Miz

Followed it up with and IM awesome

What is Santino's catch phrase btw? I stutter and stumble but im the best comic relief since Ralphus

Actually, when The Miz said, "I'm The Miz!" the crowd followed up with "and I'm AWFUL!"

They've been doing that for a few weeks now since one of the guest hosts was going to have him say it if he lost his match that night.

-------------------------------------------------------

DX gave Legacy a few wins, including PPV victories, in efforts to push them a bit. It's a shame they haven't really done anything with them since. Legacy either needs to go after Jeri-show or go after singles titles (and with DiBiase turning face soon, I'm seeing singles titles).

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wonder if there will be any Yankees at this Mondays Raw at the Garden

[Chimee]

I wonder if there will be any Yankees at this Mondays Raw at the Garden

I read that they wanted to get a bunch of them to host, but had to settle for Roddy Piper instead.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I read that they wanted to get a bunch of them to host, but had to settle for Roddy Piper instead.

settle? they are lucky to have that great man host that dung heap they call a wrestling promotion.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I read that they wanted to get a bunch of them to host, but had to settle for Roddy Piper instead.

Swisher and Burnett would have been great to have on Raw

[TripleSkeet]

Just watched Raw....sigh...its getting so hard to watch this show anymore. It actually makes me embarrassed to be a wrestling fan for the first time in my life. Lets see...

- Not only has it been stealing the whole SNL guest host gimmick for months now, but now they are just being blatant by stealing their opening as well. Im sitting here trying to watch a wrestling show and Ive got to hear an actor talk about his newest movie (or whatever the fuck he was plugging), hear an album plugged, have some retard from a tv show guest announce, I mean just about everything BUT wrestling. No wonder Shane fucking rolled.

- The 3 best parts of the show was:
1. The first half of The Miz's promo
2. Santino in a Phillies jersey
3. HHH pedigreeing Hornswaggle
The rest of the show sucked. And I really thought they had a good chance to put on a good show tonight.

- I was perhaps the biggest Roddy Piper mark ever. He was my all-time favorite wrestler before he got bumped down when The Rock showed up. But he is DONE. His promos arent even good anymore. Hes a step above the Iron Sheik. He shouldnt be on tv anymore.

- Its good to see Kofi Kingston in a bigger storyline. But it should have the heavyweight title involved in it.

- Theyve got another wrestler they dont know how to push so they are going to make him feud with Jerry Lawler. Sucks for that guy.

- There isnt a fast forward button fast enough to get through a Divas match

- Chris Masters is big motherfucker. He should be wrestling instead of bouncing his tits each week. I fear we have the Ron Simmons DAMN! of 2009.

- A match with 6 main eventers, and STILL Cena has to win. Ive so fucking had it with this guy just constantly winning. New Yorkers fucking dissapointed me tonight for not booing him out of the building.

- Matt Striker does a great Jesse Ventura impersonation.

- The fact that the WWE cross promotes with The View makes me sick to my stomach. I miss the days they catered to 18-40 year old males.

I really hope TNA moves to Monday Nights and starts whipping Vinces fucking ass.

[ScottFromGA]

Just watched Raw....sigh...its getting so hard to watch this show anymore. It actually makes me embarrassed to be a wrestling fan for the first time in my life. Lets see...

- Not only has it been stealing the whole SNL guest host gimmick for months now, but now they are just being blatant by stealing their opening as well. Im sitting here trying to watch a wrestling show and Ive got to hear an actor talk about his newest movie (or whatever the fuck he was plugging), hear an album plugged, have some retard from a tv show guest announce, I mean just about everything BUT wrestling. No wonder Shane fucking rolled.

- The 3 best parts of the show was:
1. The first half of The Miz's promo
2. Santino in a Phillies jersey
3. HHH pedigreeing Hornswaggle
The rest of the show sucked. And I really thought they had a good chance to put on a good show tonight.

- I was perhaps the biggest Roddy Piper mark ever. He was my all-time favorite wrestler before he got bumped down when The Rock showed up. But he is DONE. His promos arent even good anymore. Hes a step above the Iron Sheik. He shouldnt be on tv anymore.

- Its good to see Kofi Kingston in a bigger storyline. But it should have the heavyweight title involved in it.

- Theyve got another wrestler they dont know how to push so they are going to make him feud with Jerry Lawler. Sucks for that guy.

- There isnt a fast forward button fast enough to get through a Divas match

- Chris Masters is big motherfucker. He should be wrestling instead of bouncing his tits each week. I fear we have the Ron Simmons DAMN! of 2009.

- A match with 6 main eventers, and STILL Cena has to win. Ive so fucking had it with this guy just constantly winning. New Yorkers fucking dissapointed me tonight for not booing him out of the building.

- Matt Striker does a great Jesse Ventura impersonation.

- The fact that the WWE cross promotes with The View makes me sick to my stomach. I miss the days they catered to 18-40 year old males.

I really hope TNA moves to Monday Nights and starts whipping Vinces fucking ass.

i changed it over just to see the "new" stage that the dirt sheets were reporting on....it was just the MSG style setup they have for every PPV.

seen the Chris Masters booby bounce thing...and it was to plug the Black Eyed Peas new album. I changed it quickly after that. I have honestly not watched more than 20 minutes of any WWE programming in over 4 months. I'm done with the WWE, until someone can step up to their level and show them that they are not the only game left, I will not watch.

[ScottFromGA]

also, till I get an opening theme like this for RAW, I wont be back.


fucking LOVED this beginning.

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[MIKEYDAKEN]

also, till I get an opening theme like this for RAW, I wont be back.


fucking LOVED this beginning.

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best part was with that fight in the ring was left in after bret hart quit. i wonder if vince had to pay extra for that?

[TripleSkeet]

WWE has booked a bunch of "little people" for the November 30th RAW taping in Baltimore, Maryland where actor Verne Troyer of Austin Powers fame will be the celebrity host

Well, that explains the Hornswoggle pedigree.

[brettmojo]

I'm so glad I bailed on wrestling.

[cougarjake13]

I'm so glad I bailed on wrestling.

x2


cept i occasionally check out tna

[K.C.]

I turn on RAW for the first time in a couple years and I see women dressed as indians coming out to Tatanka's theme, and the Gobbledy Gooker....

See ya in a couple more years, RAW.

[TripleSkeet]

Ive been killing Raw ffor months now. Thats why I honestly have to come on here and say this weeks show was great.

KC you mustve turned it on at the worst part of the show. But even that had a surprise to it.

- Jesse Ventura was host. And said since he never got a shot at the title when he was wrestling, he was going to have a series of matches where the winner of each match would meet in a battle royal at the end. Whoever won the battle royal would be the #1 contender. But if you had ever been a World Champion, you couldnt be in it.

I loved the idea. And its basically what I said they needed. More younger guys feuding for the belt.

- DX is being sued by Hornswaggle and will appear in Little Peoples Court next week. Vern Troyers the host. I know its dumb but this mini angle makes me laugh and is entertaining to me.

- Santino was great. Basically telling the divas how he was Italian and their place was to cook him Thanksgiving dinner. LOL Its funny because its true.

- Cena and Punk put on a great match. So did Kofi and Dolf Ziggler.

- Seeing the Harts fight DX was pretty cool

- For the main event battle royal, Ventura came out with Vince McMahon (in tux with red bowtie ala Saturday Nights Main Event) to call the match. Very nostalgic, very cool.

- Sheamus, a guy thats been on Raw a month, won the battle royal and fights Cena in a table match at the next ppv for the title. I like it. It was completely unexpected.

- The contract signing at the end was good too. With Cena cutting a really good promo and Sheamus putting him through a table.

I criticize when its warranted so I gotta give them props for tonights show. It was really entertaining.

[King Imp]

- Sheamus, a guy thats been on Raw a month, won the battle royal and fights Cena in a table match at the next ppv for the title. I like it. It was completely unexpected.

Guaranteed they'll panic at the idea of this and end up putting Orton into the match somehow.

[TripleSkeet]

Guaranteed they'll panic at the idea of this and end up putting Orton into the match somehow.

Thats what I thought too, as before the battle royal Jesse said he liked to break rules, even if they were his own, and let Orton in the battle royal. The last 3 guys were Orton, Kingston and Sheamus. And Sheamus won. I was shocked.

[RingWraith]

I turn on RAW for the first time in a couple years and I see women dressed as indians coming out to Tatanka's theme, and the Gobbledy Gooker....

See ya in a couple more years, RAW.


Your timing was lousy! :dry:

[TripleSkeet]

Your timing was lousy! :dry:

LMAO I forgot the surprise. The Gobbeldy Gooker was down for the divas match after it was over the Gooker attacked Melina and it turned out to be that french diva in the costume. Nothing special but she did have shorts on that her ass was eating.

[MagillaGorillaz]

Sheamus, a guy thats been on Raw a month, won the battle royal and fights Cena in a table match at the next ppv for the title. I like it. It was completely unexpected.

I thought that he was an odd choice until I read on the internet today that he is good friends with Triple H.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I thought that he was an odd choice until I read on the internet today that he is good friends with Triple H.

it's not like they are going to have Cena drop the strap to that pasty irish fuck.

[TjM]

it's not like they are going to have Cena drop the strap to that pasty irish fuck.

Ladies and Gentleman the winner of this bout and NEWWWWWWWWW WWE CHAMPION!

http://www.spock.com/i/EP1WNOGZg/East-Side-Dave.jpg

[TjM]

I too found the announcing team of Vinny Mac and Jessie a nice touch.

[Fallon]

Guaranteed they'll panic at the idea of this and end up putting Orton into the match somehow.

Orton vs Kofi is all but set. They just did a PPV with two triple threat main events. I don't want to see that again.

[thomasstuart]

Hi All,

After assuming that everybody on this forum are interested into WWE Raw, I am posting this comment.



A commercial aired during WWE RAW this week confirming NBA's Dallas Mavericks owner and professional rich guy Mark Cuban as next week's celebrity guest host.

Cheers.

[CYYYFYYY]

Great stuff Thomas. What would we have done without you?

[Fallon]

Verne was so creepy.

His hands were so awful.

[Sue_Bender]

Verne was so creepy.

His hands were so awful.

Verne awkwardly perched on that stool was chilling.

[Fallon]

Verne awkwardly perched on that stool was chilling.

HOW DID HE GET UP THERE???

If Verne fell it would have been the equivalent of Hawk falling off the Titan Tron.

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[Sue_Bender]

HOW DID HE GET UP THERE???

If Verne fell it would have been the equivalent of Hawk falling off the Titan Tron.

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:clap:

Poor drunken, dead Hawk.

[TEKOA]

Verne was so creepy.

His hands were so awful.

He looked like a creepy little perv . Worst guest host:flush:

[MIKEYDAKEN]

He looked like a creepy little perv . Worst guest host:flush:

he is a creepy little perv. just watch the surreal life he was on

[TripleSkeet]

This weeks Raw was an abomination. I cant believe how bad it was after last weeks. Santino and The Miz's promos were the only good parts of the show.

I cant believe they postponed the midget court date for DX. Only the WWE could fuck up such a scenario. They had a fucking guest host thats 2 foot fucking tall!!! How do you not play that card for this goofy fucking angle youve got??? Just awfulness.

On a brighter note, tonight on UFC Hulk Hogan announced that Monday, January 4th TNA officially goes head-to-head with Raw. Awesome.

[asayresk]

This weeks Raw was an abomination. I cant believe how bad it was after last weeks. Santino and The Miz's promos were the only good parts of the show.

I cant believe they postponed the midget court date for DX. Only the WWE could fuck up such a scenario. They had a fucking guest host thats 2 foot fucking tall!!! How do you not play that card for this goofy fucking angle youve got??? Just awfulness.

On a brighter note, tonight on UFC Hulk Hogan announced that Monday, January 4th TNA officially goes head-to-head with Raw. Awesome.

if that true I will go out of my way to wacth tna.

[TripleSkeet]

if that true I will go out of my way to wacth tna.

Its true. Hogan was interviewed by Joe Rogan when he announced it. He basically said they were going to war with the WWE.

[cougarjake13]

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[whorehay]

Dennis Miller's hosting a 3 hour Slammy edition of RAW next week.

Yeah.. Dennis Miller.. I'm sure he's epistemological enough to make some aristotelian match making decisions and add some spice to the already antediluvian RAW. Maybe I'm being contrarian, but i dont think hell be able to fix that crux. Whether it be prolixity of watching Hornswoggle and DX, the eternal jobbing of Chavo, or the straight up abomination of the "Diva's" having a match without a botch.

Inconsequentiality, there's always Santino and Jericho to save the show.

[conman823]

Dennis Miller's hosting a 3 hour Slammy edition of RAW next week.

.........and you joked about "Screech".

[TripleSkeet]

Um....Seamus is the Champ. I dont even know if I care.

[Fallon]

Um....Seamus is the Champ. I dont even know if I care.

At least it's not Cena.

[cougarjake13]

wow they gave shamus the belt ?? prob lose it tonight in the 1st segment

[TripleSkeet]

Nope.

Dennis Miller was good tonight, but his humor was lost in a crowd of hayseeds and 6 year olds. Even Vince asked the crowd if they died before Raw came on the air.

Well, Jericho and Show lost their rematch, now Jerichos off Raw. BIG blow for the show.

I dont get the deal with Jeff Hardy. With all the shit hes in, not only are they promoting a dvd of him, but he was nominated for like 3 Slammys tonight, and actually won one.

DX has become such a lame version of itself.

They apparently are going to try and do Michaels vs. Undertaker 2 at Mania again.....bad move. Its sad that 2 of the oldest guys in the company stole the show last year, and theres nobody they can put one of them with to try to steal this years.

Apparently Vinces answer to TNA Monday Night Impact is Bret Hart as guest host of Raw. Not a bad move, but I dont think its gonna do it. The Rock wouldve been the dagger WWE needed. At least I think Brets gonna host on the 4th. Vince was so vague in trying not to mention TNA was going to be on Monday that I couldnt tell if thats what he meant.

Santino and Masters continue to be comedy relief. Sigh. Such a waste.

Cenas "never give up" gimmick may be the gayest and lamest thing Ive ever seen in wrestling. Hes about 25 years late with that dumb shit. Hes about 2 steps away from telling kids to say their prayers and eat their vitamins.

[conman823]

If Bret Hart is hosting, then where will DX be?

Most of there core Fan base doesn't even know who Bret Hart is. Personally after living through the "Montreal Screwjob" and the subsequent Crying for 10 plus years, I don't really care about Bret Hart.

[TripleSkeet]

If Bret Hart is hosting, then where will DX be?

Most of there core Fan base doesn't even know who Bret Hart is. Personally after living through the "Montreal Screwjob" and the subsequent Crying for 10 plus years, I don't really care about Bret Hart.

Yea, nobody is rushing back to see Bret Hart. And 3/4 of the audience wont even know they are supposed to be shocked when he comes face to face with DX. Theyll get the same reaction Miller got with his jokes.

[whorehay]

i disagree. Bret got a bit of a pop when Miller said his name.
Second, what about all the people who are supposed to be watching TNA on Jan 4th? arent they banking on fans (either current or from the earlier days) tuning in to see their familiar Hogan? People from the Attitude era who no longer watch might have reason to tune in out of pure curiosity to see Bret Hart on RAW in 2010 (something that i'm sure we all thought would never, ever happen). With the "screwjob" thing, along with the Owen situation, I'm pretty sure some former fans would tune in just to see how it goes down.

i'm not saying everyone's tuning in to see Hogan, but the curiosity factor has to play a part in some part of it. And i'm also not saying Bret is equal to Hogan (i think he's better personally, but who cares). I'm just saying they both have good enough reasons (or a train wreck factor) to watch.

[TripleSkeet]

i disagree. Bret got a bit of a pop when Miller said his name.
Second, what about all the people who are supposed to be watching TNA on Jan 4th? arent they banking on fans (either current or from the earlier days) tuning in to see their familiar Hogan? People from the Attitude era who no longer watch might have reason to tune in out of pure curiosity to see Bret Hart on RAW in 2010 (something that i'm sure we all thought would never, ever happen). With the "screwjob" thing, along with the Owen situation, I'm pretty sure some former fans would tune in just to see how it goes down.

i'm not saying everyone's tuning in to see Hogan, but the curiosity factor has to play a part in some part of it. And i'm also not saying Bret is equal to Hogan (i think he's better personally, but who cares). I'm just saying they both have good enough reasons (or a train wreck factor) to watch.

I like Bret Hart, I really do. But as far as drawing people hes not even in Hogans galaxy, let alone ballpark. The only 2 hosts that couldve just destroyed TNA's Monday night debut wouldve been either The Rock or Stone Cold. If they couldve gotten The Rock it wouldve been the end of any kind of Monday Night War ever happening. Thank God he couldnt do it.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Yea, nobody is rushing back to see Bret Hart. And 3/4 of the audience wont even know they are supposed to be shocked when he comes face to face with DX. Theyll get the same reaction Miller got with his jokes.

be kinda cool though he gives his nephew and his team the straps in a screwjob type of match for revenge.

[conman823]

People from the Attitude era who no longer watch might have reason to tune in out of pure curiosity to see Bret Hart on RAW in 2010 (something that i'm sure we all thought would never, ever happen). With the "screwjob" thing, along with the Owen situation, I'm pretty sure some former fans would tune in just to see how it goes down.

See heres the thing that grates my nerves about Bret Hart. I saw both side of the coin in the "Screwjob" back in the day. Vince was paranoid about Hart showing up with the Belt on Nitro, although I think Hart was a bigger man then that. Hart felt he should have been given more respect/credit then Vince gave him. He spit at Vince and punched him. He went on to make a ton of $$.

He lost a fake Wrestling Belt..........get over it.

Whats more after all him fury over his brothers death, he had no problem inking a deal for his Licensing Rights and DVD with Vince. Also showing up for a soapbox moment at the Hall of Fame. I would have respected him more if he just stayed away quietly.

Hulk Hogan and myself know Hulk Hogan is a money grubbing shit pile. At least i can respect that. Hart doesn't realize he's a money grubbing shit pile, and thinks Wrestling is real. Fuck him.

[Dirtbag]

Whats more after all him fury over his brothers death, he had no problem inking a deal for his Licensing Rights and DVD with Vince. Also showing up for a soapbox moment at the Hall of Fame. I would have respected him more if he just stayed away quietly.

Bret knew that without his involvement that DVD would have been just like the Ultimate Warrior's. Right or wrong, Bret cares about his legacy (whatever that means) far more than he cares about money.

[ozzie]

A little help here?

I'm taking the boys to see "WWE Presents RAW Live" this Friday night in Mobile, Al.

Are the Friday night events live? Or even recorded?

The tickets are a surprise, so I can't ask them.

Thanks in advance for your help.

[CYYYFYYY]

All Bret cares about is money. That is why he left the WWE in the first place only to get buried in WcW. If he cared about his legacy he would have never left WWE. You also can't expect a company to keep you a champ when leaving the company. You will lose the belt on your final pay fer view, if you can't see that you are insane.

In other news that bugs me about the WWE; Khalli first match back, he is teaming up with Kane, the same man who injured him for 6 months. Makes no sense at all. On that note I am just glad they are not continuing that G-d awful feud.

[hit11man]

have you ever seen Wrestling with shadows? "all bret cares about is money" is completely untrue. He cared about his legacy and the fans.

[TripleSkeet]

A little help here?

I'm taking the boys to see "WWE Presents RAW Live" this Friday night in Mobile, Al.

Are the Friday night events live? Or even recorded?

The tickets are a surprise, so I can't ask them.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Its a house show. It wont be recorded or on tv.

[ozzie]

Its a house show. It wont be recorded or on tv.

Gracias!

[conman823]

Bret knew that without his involvement that DVD would have been just like the Ultimate Warrior's. Right or wrong, Bret cares about his legacy (whatever that means) far more than he cares about money.

I read his autobiography, trust me its about the money.

have you ever seen Wrestling with shadows? "all bret cares about is money" is completely untrue. He cared about his legacy and the fans.

Wrestling with Shadows was one sided. I'm assuming you read his book then as a huge Hitman Fan right?

In Bret Harts own words, page 523 of the paperback:
On November 3, an elated Martha called to tell me that after the many bumps in the road.....she had settled with Vince.
I asked her if she and the lawyers at least tried to get back my photo and video archives from Vince.

He supported Martha, with his own adjenda in mind.

[Dirtbag]

I didn't say he wasn't a selfish asshole, just that its more about how he looks than what he's getting paid.

[RingWraith]

Well, it looks like Bret Hart might have signed a short term deal with WWE.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/breaking-news-bret-hart-signs-a-talent-deal-with-wwe-92747

[foodcourtdruide]

Well, it looks like Bret Hart might have signed a short term deal with WWE.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/breaking-news-bret-hart-signs-a-talent-deal-with-wwe-92747

I don't get this at all. WWE has 100% geared its product towards a younger fan base. The storylines have been dumbed down to bafflingly generic levels and they are more interested in creating family-friendly characters they can feature in their shitty films. The WWE fan today does not even remember Bret Hart.

[whorehay]

All Bret cares about is money. That is why he left the WWE in the first place only to get buried in WcW. If he cared about his legacy he would have never left WWE.

Not entirely true. You have to remember that when he left the WWF, WcW was unstoppable. Everyone was jumping ship and people were thinking WWF was eventually going to go out of business (kind of like what some say about TNA now).

So what would make RAW a better show? besides actual wrestling of course.
Say if 2010 kicked off with Bret coming in and screwing DX over, awarding the new Hart Foundation with the tag-team belts. Personally, i think that would be cool as hell. but i'm sure the "IWC" would crap all over that storyline as they do anything thats a change or doesn't change. it's a no win.

And as much as I'd rather not see Cena, I think it'd be cool if they made him heel. He'd be "Hollywood Hogan" level hated for todays kid audience, and something different, finally. And HBK vs. Undertaker II has potential, since they'll no doubt try to outdo their first match.

The weekly hosts are also horrible. Not so much when it's hosted by a former wrestler. Dusty revisiting the Shockmaster was pretty funny, and Ventura commentating with McMahon was awesome, as was Sgt. Slaughter singing the Anthem in Canada. that's just me though. If they really want ratings, let Sheiky baby host.

SummerFest :wallbash:

[hit11man]

I read his autobiography, trust me its about the money.



Wrestling with Shadows was one sided. I'm assuming you read his book then as a huge Hitman Fan right?

In Bret Harts own words, page 523 of the paperback:


He supported Martha, with his own adjenda in mind.
i read it and disagree. yes with his own adgenda in mind. if he doesnt look out for himself, who will? if it was all about money he would of left for wcw with the very first offer for more money. right? you cant deny he tried to be loyal and got fucked for it.
i will admit though if he shows up in wwe now, it will weaken his case and be pretty strange.

[TripleSkeet]

Not entirely true. You have to remember that when he left the WWF, WcW was unstoppable. Everyone was jumping ship and people were thinking WWF was eventually going to go out of business (kind of like what some say about TNA now).

So what would make RAW a better show? besides actual wrestling of course.
Say if 2010 kicked off with Bret coming in and screwing DX over, awarding the new Hart Foundation with the tag-team belts. Personally, i think that would be cool as hell. but i'm sure the "IWC" would crap all over that storyline as they do anything thats a change or doesn't change. it's a no win.

And as much as I'd rather not see Cena, I think it'd be cool if they made him heel. He'd be "Hollywood Hogan" level hated for todays kid audience, and something different, finally. And HBK vs. Undertaker II has potential, since they'll no doubt try to outdo their first match.

The weekly hosts are also horrible. Not so much when it's hosted by a former wrestler. Dusty revisiting the Shockmaster was pretty funny, and Ventura commentating with McMahon was awesome, as was Sgt. Slaughter singing the Anthem in Canada. that's just me though. If they really want ratings, let Sheiky baby host.

SummerFest :wallbash:

Theres a ton of shit WWE can do to improve. Thats not even the problem. The problem is they are unwilling. Vince shouldnt even give a fuck about TNA on Monday nights because they cater to his OLD demo. The 18-34 year old males. Not his NEW demo. The 6-12 year old boys and girls.

This isnt a move to try and improve Raw. Its a shock move to try and keep people away from TNA. But his only chance of really doing that was The Rock. Which even if he was available would be stupid to do it anyway. As a former wrestler if he ever decided he wanted to go back to it, it would benefit him immensely financially if there was a legit competitor to the WWE.

[Section 8]

Theres a ton of shit WWE can do to improve. Thats not even the problem. The problem is they are unwilling. Vince shouldnt even give a fuck about TNA on Monday nights because they cater to his OLD demo. The 18-34 year old males. Not his NEW demo. The 6-12 year old boys and girls.

This isnt a move to try and improve Raw. Its a shock move to try and keep people away from TNA. But his only chance of really doing that was The Rock. Which even if he was available would be stupid to do it anyway. As a former wrestler if he ever decided he wanted to go back to it, it would benefit him immensely financially if there was a legit competitor to the WWE.

If Vince's NEW demographic is the 6-12 year olds, why is RAW and ECW on in late prime time during the week? If he was so bent on the 6-12 year old demo, RAW and ECW would be on weekend mornings or right before prime time.

He is catering to the preteen-teenage demographic as well as the 18-34 males.

[TripleSkeet]

If Vince's NEW demographic is the 6-12 year olds, why is RAW and ECW on in late prime time during the week? If he was so bent on the 6-12 year old demo, RAW and ECW would be on weekend mornings or right before prime time.

He is catering to the preteen-teenage demographic as well as the 18-34 males.

Ill go so far as to give you early teens, but hes not catering to 18-34 males anymore. If you watch Raw at all you can see that. 18-34 males dont enjoy the garbage PG programming theyve been putting on. No blood? No cursing? If thats what 18-34 year old males enjoyed UFC wouldnt be kicking their asses in PPV's every year.

[whorehay]

Ill go so far as to give you early teens, but hes not catering to 18-34 males anymore. If you watch Raw at all you can see that. 18-34 males dont enjoy the garbage PG programming theyve been putting on. No blood? No cursing? If thats what 18-34 year old males enjoyed UFC wouldnt be kicking their asses in PPV's every year.

So do you think Raw ratings will drop on January 11th during the live UFC Fight Night airing on Spike. That's 2 weeks in a row Vince has competition of sorts.

[Dirtbag]

Ill go so far as to give you early teens, but hes not catering to 18-34 males anymore. If you watch Raw at all you can see that. 18-34 males dont enjoy the garbage PG programming theyve been putting on. No blood? No cursing? If thats what 18-34 year old males enjoyed UFC wouldnt be kicking their asses in PPV's every year.

The UFC doesn't put on free shows with their top stars every Monday night either.

[TripleSkeet]

So do you think Raw ratings will drop on January 11th during the live UFC Fight Night airing on Spike. That's 2 weeks in a row Vince has competition of sorts.

Theyre gonna get their dick kicked in.

I mean, I watch Raw every week on dvr, and Im a 33 year old male but that doesnt mean I feel they cater to what I enjoy at all.

I watch the old Raws on WWE Classics every month and its almost embarrassing how much better they were then. Right now they are about a month before the Mania 14 when Austin won his first title. Back when Vince didnt care about offending sponsors and kissing the asses of stockholders. They had stuff for kids but catered the storylines to adults. And the company was worth twice as much as it is right now.

[TripleSkeet]

The UFC doesn't put on free shows with their top stars every Monday night either.

It doesnt matter. They dont pussy down their product to appeal to women and kids. They have their demo, and they cater to it. And they still have the action figures and video games that come along with it.

The day the WWE truly lost its edge was the day they went public. Worst thing entertainment wise they ever couldve done. Before when special interest groups would complain Vince would tell them to fuck off and parody them on tv. Now the WWE kisses ass and caters to the assholes in order to make the stockholders and sponsors happy. He forgot the biggest rule. Fuck everything else and just put out a good product. It doesnt matter how offensive it is, if the ratings are high, the sponsors will always be there and so will the cash.

[conman823]

i read it and disagree. yes with his own adgenda in mind. if he doesnt look out for himself, who will? if it was all about money he would of left for wcw with the very first offer for more money. right? you cant deny he tried to be loyal and got fucked for it.
i will admit though if he shows up in wwe now, it will weaken his case and be pretty strange.

Oh I honestly believe HE think there is nothing wrong with how he acts. He puts it all out there in his book, and doesn't see anything wrong with it. Ego is a deadly thing.

As far as his Video/ Image rights he should have considered that before punching Vince. Owens death was not the platform to shoehorn in his request for rights to his character.

In the book he clearly states that he turned down the first offer with WCW because he felt Vince would do right by him. Vince did, and gave him a fat contract a top spot etc. Now Vince balking on the deal and telling him he was gonna pay him on the backend was dirty pool no doubt. So Bret jumped took and took the money.

Taker and Micheals, now that loyalty. Never budged, and Micheal could have make a fucking FOURTUNE with Nash and Hall running wild over there in WCW.

I will say Hart book and Bobby Heenans are probably the best books out there.

[TripleSkeet]

I will say Hart book and Bobby Heenans are probably the best books out there.

I loved Heenans book and enjoyed Harts too, but my favorites are Mick Foleys first 2 and Jerichos. Ive read so many wrestling biographies and those 2 and Heenan are the only ones that dont come off sounding like complete egomaniacs.

[CYYYFYYY]

In Regals book (an average book) He comes across as very down to earth and definatley not an ego maniac

[TripleSkeet]

In Regals book (an average book) He comes across as very down to earth and definatley not an ego maniac

Thats one of the few I havent read. Along with Goldberg or DDP.

[Knowledged_one]

I hope the Miz kicks Bret Hart in the head

[brettmojo]

i disagree. Bret got a bit of a pop when Miller said his name.
Second, what about all the people who are supposed to be watching TNA on Jan 4th? arent they banking on fans (either current or from the earlier days) tuning in to see their familiar Hogan? People from the Attitude era who no longer watch might have reason to tune in out of pure curiosity to see Bret Hart on RAW in 2010 (something that i'm sure we all thought would never, ever happen). With the "screwjob" thing, along with the Owen situation, I'm pretty sure some former fans would tune in just to see how it goes down.

i'm not saying everyone's tuning in to see Hogan, but the curiosity factor has to play a part in some part of it. And i'm also not saying Bret is equal to Hogan (i think he's better personally, but who cares). I'm just saying they both have good enough reasons (or a train wreck factor) to watch.
Nope.

WW"E" is dead to me.