Monday Night RAW Discussion

[conman823]

him and taker have been mia since mania


no ryhme or reason as to why


just not there

Nobody else notices these guys take a "summer vacation" every year?

Maybe HBK will get plugs like Anthony Cumia.

[falcon95]

i miss the old school wwf does anyone even remember vader,ahmed johnson,dlo brown,faroq or the new age outlaws

[TripleSkeet]

i miss the old school wwf does anyone even remember vader,ahmed johnson,dlo brown,faroq or the new age outlaws

I dont miss that WWF, Maybe a couple years after that.

As far as Raw went, God its pitiful. They have a joke in The Miz out there doing some dumb calling out Cena gimmick. Remind me of when Jericho called out Goldberg in WCW. only not entertaining.

Meanwhile, the good half of that tag team is wasted on Smackdown. How the fuck did Raw get stuck with the Marty Jannety of that team???

Meanwhile, Santino rules Raw once again. Although Im not sure where they are going with this "holy shit I did an offensive move!" gimmick hes playing with.

[CYYYFYYY]

Apprently whenever a tag team breaks up one has to be Shawn and one has to be Marty. Can;t they both do well, like Jeff Hardy and Matt Hardy. I think the Miz will have a nice career.

[Don Stugots]

the two of them will do as well as The New Age Outlaws did on their own.

[TjM]

the two of them will do as well as The New Age Outlaws did on their own.

I dunno Miz is kind of like Marty in that he can wrestle but when he picks up a mic it's torture

[TripleSkeet]

Apprently whenever a tag team breaks up one has to be Shawn and one has to be Marty. Can;t they both do well, like Jeff Hardy and Matt Hardy. I think the Miz will have a nice career.

Were you trying to make a point? Or help me make mine?

[cougarjake13]

Apprently whenever a tag team breaks up one has to be Shawn and one has to be Marty. Can;t they both do well, like Jeff Hardy and Matt Hardy. I think the Miz will have a nice career.

the two of them will do as well as The New Age Outlaws did on their own.

I dunno Miz is kind of like Marty in that he can wrestle but when he picks up a mic it's torture




morrison has already established that he can be a good singles guy, he's had the ecw title and ic title

miz hasnt done jack other then being tag champ with morrison

[Chip Donaldson]

Not so fun.

[Sue_Bender]

Not so fun.

I feel 'ya, Chip.

Watching the show now feels like a chore.

[ScottFromGA]

HE IS THE MIZ!!!


AND....HE....IS.....AWESOME!!!!!!


:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[khaxzan]

I keep forgetting when RAW and Smackdown is on. :glurps:

[epo]

Seriously Vince, get over yourself. Nobody cares about your arena battle.

[paulisded]

Seriously Vince, get over yourself. Nobody cares about your arena battle.

He has to do this dumb bit, as it inevitably will get aired on Sportscenter.

[RingWraith]

Seriously Vince, get over yourself. Nobody cares about your arena battle.

"Arena Fans" care! :dry:

[epo]

He has to do this dumb bit, as it inevitably will get aired on Sportscenter.

I can tell you one place its not airing....my beautiful television.

[paulisded]

I can tell you one place its not airing....my beautiful television.

Can't say I blame you.

[Kevin]

That has to be the worst impersonater of any one in the history of the world.

[RingWraith]

Sigh! WWE's attempt at backstage comedy skit's are sooo cringe-inducing.
:thumbdown:

[foodcourtdruide]

I feel like I'm watching an inside joke that I'm not a part of.

[paulisded]

I feel like I'm watching an inside joke that I'm not a part of.

It's even worse than usual.

[RingWraith]

I think it would've been more entertaining if they played an actual full court basketball game.
:dry:

[styckx]

Gonna grab the torrent of this since it seems WWE went above and beyond their normal goals of turning off viewers from the comments here. This should be great.

[paulisded]

Gonna grab the torrent of this since it seems WWE went above and beyond their normal goals of turning off viewers from the comments here. This should be great.

All I have to tell you is the final match was a 10-person tag with the teams in Nuggets and Lakers uniforms.

[styckx]

All I have to tell you is the final match was a 10-person tag with the teams in Nuggets and Lakers uniforms.

http://www.lambertcs.com/images/facepalm_picard_riker.jpg

[hammersavage]

All I have to tell you is the final match was a 10-person tag with the teams in Nuggets and Lakers uniforms.

If the Nuggets were midgets, I called this on the nose.

[Dirtbag]

I would rather fuck Santina Marella than Vickie Guerrero.

[khaxzan]

"Arena Fans" care! :dry:

Yep, pretty much, while those at home can just turn the channel and watch baseball instead...on TSN. :happy::thumbup:

[styckx]

Ugh..

I watched the awful promo in the beginning, skipped, skipped, skipped, skipped, Santino, skipped skipped, skipped, saw the main event promo pic. [X]<-- CLICK


Beyond gay, beyond awful.

[TripleSkeet]

Im gonna watch this tragedy today.

[King Imp]

Mickie James looked uber hot last night. That's one good thing. :wink:

It is pretty sad when you haven't watched this for months and then decide to because there is absolutely nothing else on and it feels like you never left. It's the same old recycled garbage.

[jab]

qft thickie james was fucking delicious.

[foodcourtdruide]

Bad show last night. RAW is in a bad state. The main event was a big "who cares?" and Kennedy returning will not be the saving grace for this show. Let's face it, Jericho leaving hurts RAW immensely.

[Fallon]

Bad show last night. RAW is in a bad state. The main event was a big "who cares?" and Kennedy returning will not be the saving grace for this show. Let's face it, Jericho leaving hurts RAW immensely.

Mrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Kennedy hurt his wrist last night.

























Kennnnnedy!

[khaxzan]

Hmmm,

sounds like Fallon is struggling just to keep his wrestling section busting through the seams with stats.


Meh....


[CLICK!]

[Fallon]

Hmmm,

sounds like Fallon is struggling just to keep his wrestling section busting through the seams with stats.


Meh....


[CLICK!]

Wrestling is dying a slow death and it makes me sad!

[cougarjake13]

why do i have this feeling that this mini fued with flair and orton is gonna end with flair winning the title for the last time ??

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Cole, you fucking idiot! Orton said "It'll be a night you never forget because it'll be the REASON you'll never remember anything again." You waste of talent you fucked up the line and made it sound like Orton was the idiot. GOD I HATE MICHAEL COLE!

[cougarjake13]

cant we just have king and jr so all the shows ??

[styckx]

I will attempt to watch this garbage tonight

[styckx]

Wow, first match I get to see is are tag champs, vs random wrestler 1 and 2 formed as a tag team


*again*

[styckx]

So Rick Flair just ate his pride on live TV.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I like how Cody has blind trust for Orton while Ted is a doubting Thomas. Could make for a good face turn for Ted.

[styckx]

lol @ WWE killing time at 10:50 by having King and Moron in the ring reviewing every match at the PPV and even dropping the cage. Shocker, commercial afterward. Yet another "Main Event" starting w/ 5 minutes or less left.

[paulisded]

lol @ WWE killing time at 10:50 by having King and Moron in the ring reviewing every match at the PPV and even dropping the cage. Shocker, commercial afterward. Yet another "Main Event" starting w/ 5 minutes or less left.

God I hate that...yet we had to sit through 20 minutes of a boring Kofi/MVP match.

[styckx]

Garbage can - check
Randomly stacked boxes - check
Rent a cars - check

This should be over quick w/ zero spots

[paulisded]

Garbage can - check
Randomly stacked boxes - check
Rent a cars - check

This should be over quick w/ zero spots

This is painful to watch...just horrible.

[NickyL0885]

Wow, Flair isn't bleeding yet. Something different!

[styckx]

This is painful to watch...just horrible.

It's really sad. Rick Flairs first of many OFF MY LAWN matches.

[brettmojo]

15 mins later and he decides to CLIMB the cage... Ugh.

[styckx]

That was perhaps the worst, kick the the head ever. The guy in row 500th could have seen Ortons kick flew 3 inches over flairs head and flair sold it 1 second later.

[paulisded]

15 mins later and he decides to CLIMB the cage... Ugh.

So horribly executed...and an even worse idea. Who couldn't guess every backstage "move" that took way too long to execute? Who didn't know that the other two would save Orton? Or that Batista would wait ten minutes to make the save?

Those closeups on Flair punching Orton on the way to the ring - he was clearly stopping a good 6 inches away from Orton's head.

[styckx]

I stand corrected. That was at least a 6inches over Flairs head

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/styckx/awful22.jpg

[3Setsof10]

I see that I missed nothing

[styckx]

I see that I missed nothing

Yep. I forget what board I said this on, but.. Pro Wrestling to me is like a real life MST3K for me. I watch to mock and by mocking the awful, it becomes entertaining.

[Sue_Bender]

Yep. I forget what board I said this on, but.. Pro Wrestling to me is like a real life MST3K for me. I watch to mock and by mocking the awful, it becomes entertaining.


That's a great way to defend your GAY.

[RingWraith]

Cole, you fucking idiot! Orton said "It'll be a night you never forget because it'll be the REASON you'll never remember anything again." You waste of talent you fucked up the line and made it sound like Orton was the idiot. GOD I HATE MICHAEL COLE!

I HATE Michael Cole too! His voice just irritates me! UGH!

[TripleSkeet]

Once again, Santino is the best thing Raw has going. Although I hate to say it, The Miz is starting to grow on me.

[CruelCircus]

Once again, Santino is the best thing Raw has going. Although I hate to say it, The Miz is starting to grow on me.

I don't get why The Miz isn't getting more cheers. Monday night he was trashing Cena and comparing him to Hannah Montana, the Jonas Bros, and Spongebob. All the vocal Cena haters should have been wildly behind him.

[RingWraith]

Once again, Santino is the best thing Raw has going. Although I hate to say it, The Miz is starting to grow on me.

I know what you're saying. Some of the stuff The Miz says about Cena is funny and accurate.

[RingWraith]

I don't get why The Miz isn't getting more cheers. Monday night he was trashing Cena and comparing him to Hannah Montana, the Jonas Bros, and Spongebob. All the vocal Cena haters should have been wildly behind him.

Well, let's then see what happens when the WWE goes back to the northeast/Canada. Maybe, just maybe, the Cena haters will be behind The Miz's rips on Cena.

Although I bet by the time the WWE does show up in that area, The Miz will most likely be made to something else. Sigh!

[TjM]

I don't get why The Miz isn't getting more cheers. Monday night he was trashing Cena and comparing him to Hannah Montana, the Jonas Bros, and Spongebob. All the vocal Cena haters should have been wildly behind him.

Could be because the Miz sucks

[styckx]

Could be because the Miz sucks

^

[TripleSkeet]

I know what you're saying. Some of the stuff The Miz says about Cena is funny and accurate.

A few weeks ago when he said he sent Cenas script to The Rock because he needed toilet paper I almost lost it.

But its not really the promos that have the guy growing on me, it was how he performed in his match, he played a great role with the Big Show.

[conman823]

Bring back Maven.

[brettmojo]

Could be because the Miz sucks
Yeah I like the guy, I met him and he's nice as hell, but his character comes off way too goofy.

[styckx]

No promo is funny on WWE unless it's Santino. It's obvious 98% of the wrestlers have pre-written shit for them to say. Satino is the only person on the roster that has promos that remind me of attitude era style off the cuff natural promos.

The Miz is not funny, and either is the shit written for him, or most anyone else. Face it, pro wrestling is in an awful state of mediocrity.

[Sue_Bender]

No promo is funny on WWE unless it's Santino. It's obvious 98% of the wrestlers have pre-written shit for them to say. Satino is the only person on the roster that has promos that remind me of attitude era style off the cuff natural promos.

The Miz is not funny, and either is the shit written for him, or most anyone else. Face it, pro wrestling is in an awful state of mediocrity.


Damn right!

[foodcourtdruide]

No promo is funny on WWE unless it's Santino. It's obvious 98% of the wrestlers have pre-written shit for them to say. Satino is the only person on the roster that has promos that remind me of attitude era style off the cuff natural promos.

The Miz is not funny, and either is the shit written for him, or most anyone else. Face it, pro wrestling is in an awful state of mediocrity.

I thought the Miz was funny when he was talking to Alfonso Soriano.

[foodcourtdruide]

A few weeks ago when he said he sent Cenas script to The Rock because he needed toilet paper I almost lost it.



Lol, that's actually hilarious.

[styckx]

Shocker, the 8 week build up to the Miz/Cena match FINALLY happens and is cut short with the quickness w/ a Big Show DQ

[3Setsof10]

Shocker, the 8 week build up to the Miz/Cena match FINALLY happens and is cut short with the quickness w/ a Big Show DQ

To be fair, they might be building to more with the Miz

Yeah, I know better LOL

[styckx]

To be fair, they might be building to more with the Miz

Yeah, I know better LOL

Next PPV = Cena, Miz, Big Show triple threat match. I bet the house on it

[3Setsof10]

Next PPV = Cena, Miz, Big Show triple threat match. I bet the house on it

Vickie Guerrero is in extreme close up on the TV now

I need bleach for my eyes STAT

Christ this shit is just awful, why did we bother tonight? LOL

[styckx]

Cause there is never anythign else on. I keep saying I'm not watching this shit but always end up doing so. It's a good 2hrs of laughing though.

[brettmojo]

Wow how'd they get that whale into the aren... Oh wait, it's just Vicki Guerrero.

[paulisded]

Wow how'd they get that whale into the aren... Oh wait, it's just Vicki Guerrero.

Vicki had to be pissed when they announced that WWE would be in hi-def.

[brettmojo]

Vicki had to be pissed when they announced that WWE would be in hi-def.
She honestly looks like she stumbled upon a hive of africanized honey bees and played kick ball with it for an hour.

[styckx]

WWE will be wheeling her ass out there until she's dead. I bet a unsigned lawsuit over Eddies death is attached to her contract

[3Setsof10]

Vicki had to be pissed when they announced that WWE would be in hi-def.

LOL

WWE will be wheeling her ass out there until she's dead. I bet a unsigned lawsuit over Eddies death is attached to her contract

Christ, she is just fucking awful

Her family must be so proud as she debases herself and the WWE laughs at her for being so stupid to not follow through on her husband's death on their watch

[Devo37]

WWE will be wheeling her ass out there until she's dead. I bet a unsigned lawsuit over Eddies death is attached to her contract

yeah, i'd assume Eddie's death is one of the reasons she's still there.

although, she does get a legitimate hatred reaction out of the crowd, so she's got that going for her.

[ScottFromGA]

agreed...Vickie does get more heat than all of the heels in the WWE.

[3Setsof10]

yeah, i'd assume Eddie's death is one of the reasons she's still there.

although, she does get a legitimate hatred reaction out of the crowd, so she's got that going for her.



That's not good heat, that's Please For The Love Of God Go Away heat

No one has ever or will ever pay to see her do anything

[styckx]

I like how Orton broke Batistas arm and the paramedics loaded him up in the ambulance without his arm immobilized

[epo]

Shhhh.....quiet for HHH's amazing comeback!

[styckx]

Shhhh.....quiet for HHH's amazing comeback!

Wow. You nailed it

[Sue_Bender]

WHA, WHA...WHAT?!!

Check it:

[Credit: PWInsider.com]


"Apparently Vickie Guerrero's resignation from WWE last night on RAW was a reality.
The widow of WWE Hall Of Famer Eddie Guerrero reportedly gave her notice to WWE management, citing wanting to spend more time with her children as the reason.
Vickie may or may not be used on a few more television shows, but is definitely officially on the way out of WWE."

Hmmmm.......

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Raw is in Charlotte, North Carolina. Ric Flair is on the verge of resigning to the WWE. A new GM is needed. Let's put all these facts together and come to the conclusion that maybe Ric Flair will be announced the new General Manager of Raw next week.

[conman823]

Raw is in Charlotte, North Carolina. Ric Flair is on the verge of resigning to the WWE. A new GM is needed. Let's put all these facts together and come to the conclusion that maybe Ric Flair will be announced the new General Manager of Raw next week.

Fucking place has been in shambles since Bischoff left...........

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[TripleSkeet]

WHA, WHA...WHAT?!!

Check it:

[Credit: PWInsider.com]


"Apparently Vickie Guerrero's resignation from WWE last night on RAW was a reality.
The widow of WWE Hall Of Famer Eddie Guerrero reportedly gave her notice to WWE management, citing wanting to spend more time with her children as the reason.
Vickie may or may not be used on a few more television shows, but is definitely officially on the way out of WWE."

Hmmmm.......

Most promising thing Ive heard about wrestling in months.

[styckx]

Fucking place has been in shambles since Bischoff left...........

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Bischoff was awful.

[3Setsof10]

Bischoff was awful.

Yeah, just what wrestling needs, another smarmy condescending insecure delusional dipshit who just couldn't resist being part of the show

And Vickie Guerrero was annoying but that was just one mean spirited burial last night

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I loved it. I don't care if you've gotta support your kids. She raped the spirit of her husband and his legacy every time she was on television.

[3Setsof10]

I loved it. I don't care if you've gotta support your kids. She raped the spirit of her husband and his legacy every time she was on television.

She was clearly taken advantage of and put on a pedestal when they asked her to be on TV in a recurring role

I'm sure in her state of mind she felt she was doing the right thing

That whole thing last night was more disrespectful to Eddy than anything else they had done, IMO- nothing more than the WWE burning every bridge they can once they realize they are in the "clear" with Vickie since she was the one who quit and wasn't fired

[styckx]

She was clearly taken advantage of and put on a pedestal when they asked her to be on TV in a recurring role

I'm sure in her state of mind she felt she was doing the right thing

That whole thing last night was more disrespectful to Eddy than anything else they had done, IMO- nothing more than the WWE burning every bridge they can once they realize they are in the "clear" with Vickie since she was the one who quit and wasn't fired

They aren't exactly known for anything of the opposite. Fucking Bret Harts name was pretty much banned from being mentioned, then Owen died then those homo's rolled out the red carpet, blow jobs, and everything else under the sun to get him to appear

[NITRON]

when Bret had that accident and Vince contacted him, it was only because of what happened to Owen?

[cougarjake13]

so batista's wins the title and a day later its basically vacated for a fatal fourway match this monday



is batista seriously hurt again or was it just a way to get the belt off of orton and to hhh without orton dropping it to hhh ??

[3Setsof10]

when Bret had that accident and Vince contacted him, it was only because of what happened to Owen?

Well...yeah

so batista's wins the title and a day later its basically vacated for a fatal fourway match this monday



is batista seriously hurt again or was it just a way to get the belt off of orton and to hhh without orton dropping it to hhh ??

He's hurt, he had surgery this week on his biceps, out until October

[brettmojo]

WHA, WHA...WHAT?!!

Check it:

[Credit: PWInsider.com]


"Apparently Vickie Guerrero's resignation from WWE last night on RAW was a reality.
The widow of WWE Hall Of Famer Eddie Guerrero reportedly gave her notice to WWE management, citing wanting to spend more time with her children as the reason.
Vickie may or may not be used on a few more television shows, but is definitely officially on the way out of WWE."

Hmmmm.......
:clap:

[cougarjake13]

Well...yeah



He's hurt, he had surgery this week on his biceps, out until October




so he got hurt at the ppv im guessing

[TripleSkeet]

I think it was before the PPV actually. And people call Kennedy fragile.:dry:

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think it was before the PPV actually. And people call Kennedy fragile.:dry:

....fragile

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Must be Italian.

[NickyL0885]

So, Vince is "selling" Raw eh? I wonder where this is supposed to go.

[jab]

So, Vince is "selling" Raw eh? I wonder where this is supposed to go.

the crowd chants flair but my head says jbl.

[paulisded]

I didn't know it started an hour early tonight...I'm sure I missed absolutely nothing.

[cougarjake13]

the crowd chants flair but my head says jbl.

x2


it'll def be JBL


wonder if theyre stealing the foley gimmick in tna

[jab]

I didn't know it started an hour early tonight...I'm sure I missed absolutely nothing.

a fairly decent jericho/rey match and christian versus dreamer - short but sweet.

[jab]

Stop Doing The Rock/hogan Look Into The Audience Thing

[jab]

youve gotta be fucking kidding.

[Heather 8]

Trump?

WTF?:thumbdown:

[Heather 8]

This entire segment has sucked my will to live.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Well...this is different.

[RingWraith]

the crowd chants flair but my head says jbl.

Well, you were waaay off!

[jab]

Well, you were waaay off!

oh man was i ever.

[paulisded]

Terrible storyline.

[Heather 8]

Hey, it went over like a lead balloon 10 minutes ago... let's show it again!

[jab]

goldy please shoot miz with a tshirt gun

[SpicyMcHaggis]

This crowd is not going to care the entire night unless Flair shows up.

[NickyL0885]

The Miz does one thing that I like. He points out flaws that fans know and WWE never admits. From Cenas movies being crap to now telling Goldust that hes been in and out so much and that this isnt 1999 anymore.

[jab]

yesssss cocky punk. love it.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Punk is a tweener. Works for me.

[RingWraith]

Punk is a tweener. Works for me.

For nowwww!!! :dry:

[styckx]

Wait. .What? Donald Trump bought RAW angle? LOLWUT?

Can I get details on what sounds like the dumbest fucking angle I've heard of in ages

[foodcourtdruide]

Wait. .What? Donald Trump bought RAW angle? LOLWUT?

Can I get details on what sounds like the dumbest fucking angle I've heard of in ages

You pretty much nailed it. Makes no sense, consistantly.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Well, good to hear Legacy have it's own theme. Second of all, nice to see them going for the tag team titles. Finally, they've got an excuse to now have interaction with Hart Dynasty since they interfered when it was obvious that they didn't need to cost Smith and Kidd the match. Let's hope they follow through with that.

Also, it's retarded that Big Show, Triple H, and Cena are competing in the Battle Royal considering all three of them just had their chance to become champion earlier in the evening.

[brettmojo]

Wait. .What? Donald Trump bought RAW angle? LOLWUT?

Can I get details on what sounds like the dumbest fucking angle I've heard of in ages
Basically... My sources have told me that next week Trump will declare bankruptcy and request a government bailout. The government will end up owning RAW after Trump is removed as CEO and Obama takes over as owner. Vince, not wanting the government which once was after him about steroids owning RAW, will then tap The Rock to come out of Hollywood and fight one on one with Obama at Bash At The Beach for control of the brand hence setting up THE ROCK VS. BARACK in a HELL IN THE CELL MATCH!@!!

[styckx]

Ok, I just saw the replay of the awful Trump angle..


Holy shit this is entertaining (in a hilariously awful way)

[jab]

Basically... My sources have told me that next week Trump will declare bankruptcy and request a government bailout. The government will end up owning RAW after Trump is removed as CEO and Obama takes over as owner. Vince, not wanting the government which once was after him about steroids owning RAW, will then tap The Rock to come out of Hollywood and fight one on one with Obama at Bash At The Beach for control of the brand hence setting up THE ROCK VS. BARACK in a HELL IN THE CELL MATCH!@!!

LOVE IT.

[Chimee]

It shows how awful RAW is when the only highlights involve Smackdown.

[jab]

also, i really hope santino gets paid alot, cause he is still the best thing about wwe.

[brettmojo]

Vince hates billionaires with massive egos because he's only a millionaire with a massive ego... :lol:

[conman823]

Trump?

WTF?:thumbdown:

Reading shit like this just reaffirms why I haven't seen WWE programming in Months.

[TripleSkeet]

Sigh.

This is what happens when you have tv writers writing wrestling angles. JUST like last few years, their thing now is to come up with some goofy, completely over the top gimmick that will last throughout the summer.

I know Vince dying, and Vinces long lost son were these angles. Wasnt the giving money away over the phone the one from last year?

[Fallon]

I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate when anybody in the ring has to talk to a prerecorded video on the titan tron. IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING AWFUL!!!

I fucking miss Y2J, but I can't deal with Smackdown. I might have to DVR it just for him and Edge.

[Heather 8]

I know Vince dying, and Vinces long lost son were these angles. Wasnt the giving money away over the phone the one from last year?

Yes, wwe.com just did a blurb about last year's winners.

[CruelCircus]

I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate when anybody in the ring has to talk to a prerecorded video on the titan tron. IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING AWFUL!!!

I fucking miss Y2J, but I can't deal with Smackdown. I might have to DVR it just for him and Edge.

Agreed on the video thing. Such a huge angle and you can't work out a real conversation?

As for Smackdown, you may want to give it a chance.
Jericho, Edge, Hardy, Punk, Mysterio, Morrison, Benjamin... some decent wrasslin' going on over there. Granted, you would have to deal with the Great Khali...

[paulisded]

Agreed on the video thing. Such a huge angle and you can't work out a real conversation?

As for Smackdown, you may want to give it a chance.
Jericho, Edge, Hardy, Punk, Mysterio, Morrison, Benjamin... some decent wrasslin' going on over there. Granted, you would have to deal with the Great Khali...

I have a hard time dealing with Smackdown. Maybe it's improved recently, but it always seemed to move so fucking slowly. Mic stuff would take even more of show time than on Raw, and the matches themselves would go on forever. Plus, there's rarely any pop from the audience.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The many flaws of this angle:


How can you sell a brand?
Are there still going to be mentions of WWE or is everything RAW now?
Vince sells the show...but still owns the company...but he can't control it anymore?
Is RAW no longer under the corporate umbrella because of this?


God forbid you just made Flair the new General Manager. You were in Charlotte. The people would have popped huge. Fans will tune in to see what he's going to do next. But instead, you screw up even more by showing that RAW will be doing the same old crap and that if you really want to watch a good wrestling show you'll see what happens on Smackdown because of Edge, Hardy, Punk, Mysterio, and Jericho. If you were to move Smackdown to Monday nights, my god would those ratings be through the roof.

[paulisded]

The many flaws of this angle:


How can you sell a brand?
Are there still going to be mentions of WWE or is everything RAW now?
Vince sells the show...but still owns the company...but he can't control it anymore?
Is RAW no longer under the corporate umbrella because of this?


God forbid you just made Flair the new General Manager. You were in Charlotte. The people would have popped huge. Fans will tune in to see what he's going to do next. But instead, you screw up even more by showing that RAW will be doing the same old crap and that if you really want to watch a good wrestling show you'll see what happens on Smackdown because of Edge, Hardy, Punk, Mysterio, and Jericho. If you were to move Smackdown to Monday nights, my god would those ratings be through the roof.

Plus, it's a myth that anybody gives a shit about Trump.

[RingWraith]

The many flaws of this angle:


How can you sell a brand?
Are there still going to be mentions of WWE or is everything RAW now?
Vince sells the show...but still owns the company...but he can't control it anymore?
Is RAW no longer under the corporate umbrella because of this?


God forbid you just made Flair the new General Manager. You were in Charlotte. The people would have popped huge. Fans will tune in to see what he's going to do next. But instead, you screw up even more by showing that RAW will be doing the same old crap and that if you really want to watch a good wrestling show you'll see what happens on Smackdown because of Edge, Hardy, Punk, Mysterio, and Jericho. If you were to move Smackdown to Monday nights, my god would those ratings be through the roof.

I really thought it was gonna be Flair, but it obviously wasn't. I'm pretty sure the Charlotte crowd was pissed when Trump was announced.

Personally I'd prefer Heyman or Bischoff, but that's wishful thinking in my part.

[styckx]

Sure. Why not, this certainly appears real.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/articles/9488818/willtrumpstopwithraw

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/styckx/10545102.jpg
Donald Trump's personal helicopter lands on top of World Wrestling Entertainment Headquarters in Stamford, Conn.

[CYYYFYYY]

My money is more people that usual will tune in to raw for the next few weeks so it may not be a bad idea. Yes it is insane you can sell a brand. According to that logic they cannot share pay fer views and stuff like that. But I must admit I am interested to see what happens and I HATE Trump. I also tell you this I will be flipping when Vince gives his good bye speech

[TripleSkeet]

Its got me interested in next week anyway. At least to see what a Raw with no commercials will be like. I also wouldnt miss Vinces farewell or whatever Santino will be doing.

[RingWraith]

So Vince will say goodbye and farewell..... again!?!

Well, for his sake he doesn't go to his limo afterwards this time.:dry:

[conman823]

Its got me interested in next week anyway. At least to see what a Raw with no commercials will be like. I also wouldnt miss Vinces farewell or whatever Santino will be doing.

Think about this: Raw with no commercials means a lot of FILLER. I guarantee that filler is not matches, but more Backstage crap (mostly revolving around Trump and Vince).


It would be nice to see some midcard matches that can run longer then 7 minutes, but I fear I ask for too much

[TripleSkeet]

Think about this: Raw with no commercials means a lot of FILLER. I guarantee that filler is not matches, but more Backstage crap (mostly revolving around Trump and Vince).


It would be nice to see some midcard matches that can run longer then 7 minutes, but I fear I ask for too much

Hey I just said I was interested to see what they do. I never said I thought it would be great.

[RingWraith]

Think about this: Raw with no commercials means a lot of FILLER. I guarantee that filler is not matches, but more Backstage crap (mostly revolving around Trump and Vince).


It would be nice to see some midcard matches that can run longer then 7 minutes, but I fear I ask for too much


Don't forget the filler crap will also be a bunch of video packages of stuff we've already seen a DOZEN times!

Sigh! I miss the times when I actually looked forward to Raw. :down:

[RingWraith]

And I also wish Michael Cole was "future endeavored". But it looks like that'll never happen.
:down:

[Sue_Bender]

And I also wish Michael Cole was "future endeavored". But it looks like that'll never happen.
:down:

Only to be replaced by Joe Fowler or Todd Pettingill...

Awesome!!!

[RingWraith]

Only to be replaced by Joe Fowler or Todd Pettingill...

Awesome!!!

It would be awesome! Anybody is better than Michael Cole.

[conman823]

I wish the filler was an actual real Board of Directors meeting where Vince has to explain all this shit.

[conman823]

From the dirtz:

- Stephanie McMahon recently told RAW head writer Brian Gewirtz and SmackDown head writer Michael Hayes that she wants to bring in more creative writers. They started looking for new writers last week and she told Gewirtz to reach out to anyone he knew at MTV.


It should have read "she told Gewirtz to reach out of anyone he knew that understood the product and could bring in new storylines."

[TripleSkeet]

MTV. Because theyve done so well with wrestling. God she is a fucking moron.

[paulisded]

MTV. Because theyve done so well with wrestling. God she is a fucking moron.

I don't mind them having some outside writers but this has become ridiculous. Too bad Bob Mould is back to doing music, as he did a great job with WCW in the mid-90's.

[RingWraith]

MTV. Because theyve done so well with wrestling. God she is a fucking moron.

Yes she is.

Vince and co. still try soooo hard to be viewed as "entertainment show", and not a "wrestling show".

I'll always find it hilarious when Vince (late 90's, talking about WCW) said he recalled Ted Turner saying "he's in the wrasslin' business", and Vince says "I'm in the entertainment business. Big difference!" :blink: :wallbash:

Vince is sooo full of himself then and obviously still is now.:wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

Well, good to hear Legacy have it's own theme. Second of all, nice to see them going for the tag team titles. Finally, they've got an excuse to now have interaction with Hart Dynasty since they interfered when it was obvious that they didn't need to cost Smith and Kidd the match. Let's hope they follow through with that.

Also, it's retarded that Big Show, Triple H, and Cena are competing in the Battle Royal considering all three of them just had their chance to become champion earlier in the evening.

whats stupid too is i dont think orton and dibiase/rhodes have had the world and tag titles at the same time

[TripleSkeet]

Yes she is.

Vince and co. still try soooo hard to be viewed as "entertainment show", and not a "wrestling show".

I'll always find it hilarious when Vince (late 90's, talking about WCW) said he recalled Ted Turner saying "he's in the wrasslin' business", and Vince says "I'm in the entertainment business. Big difference!" :blink: :wallbash:

Vince is sooo full of himself then and obviously still is now.:wallbash:

I kind of understand him calling it entertainment because its not just wrestling that makes a great show, but the motherfucker acts like wrestling has nothing to do with it anymore.

Yo jerkoff, your fans may like some of the other stuff you add in (promos, contests, celebrities, comedy skits) but they are still there for the fucking wrestling first and foremost.

[RingWraith]

I kind of understand him calling it entertainment because its not just wrestling that makes a great show, but the motherfucker acts like wrestling has nothing to do with it anymore.

Yo jerkoff, your fans may like some of the other stuff you add in (promos, contests, celebrities, comedy skits) but they are still there for the fucking wrestling first and foremost.

Thank you!!! I mean, god forbid you refer to the talent as "Wrestlers" instead of "WWE Superstars".

I remember years ago Michael Cole saying at the beginning of Smackdown calling the show the "Weekly Action/Adventure Series". :blink: :wallbash:

[Sue_Bender]

I remember years ago Michael Cole saying at the beginning of Smackdown calling the show the "Weekly Action/Adventure Series". :blink: :wallbash:

I remember that as well!

Ewwwwwwwwwww...

[Fallon]

Thank you!!! I mean, god forbid you refer to the talent as "Wrestlers" instead of "WWE Superstars".

I remember years ago Michael Cole saying at the beginning of Smackdown calling the show the "Weekly Action/Adventure Series". :blink: :wallbash:
Hey, the WWE Universe© doesn't appreciate your abuse of Michael Cole©. You don't want the Smart, Sexy and Powerful© Divas© coming after you!

[TripleSkeet]

I want to find the guy that came up with the term WWE Universe and slam his fucking head in a car door about 30 times.

[RingWraith]

I want to find the guy that came up with the term WWE Universe and slam his fucking head in a car door about 30 times.

I forgot about new term they call fans now. :wallbash:

I guess calling them fans is no good anymore. :dry:

[TripleSkeet]

At first it was the Raw Fan Nation. That I could live with, but I could never call myself "part of the WWE Universe". Its just too fucking gay.

[RingWraith]

Hey, the WWE Universe© doesn't appreciate your abuse of Michael Cole©. You don't want the Smart, Sexy and Powerful© Divas© coming after you!

Ha!

Michael Cole is gay!

[styckx]

Vince is an asshole. The whole Trump thing was a "swerve" to fool fans who read "leaked" storylines that Flair was supposed to appear. So instead of giving fans what they wanted to see he pulled the TRUMP CARD. LOLOLOOL.. Ugh

Between RAW taking place in Charlotte, North Carolina, Flair departing early from a Ring of Honor event on Saturday, numerous Internet spoiler reports, and the promised announcement of a new General Manager on RAW — all signs were pointing towards the WWE Hall of Famer making his grand return to television. It did not happen, as it was never supposed to happen.

It was recently reported that company officials had focused once again on preventing news and storyline plans from leaking onto the Internet. While Flair was backstage at the event, he was solely brought in to serve as a red herring to trick those within the company leaking storyline plans to the online media.

WWE anticipated the story breaking online, which would throw reporters off track on the Donald Trump storyline. Ultimately, it worked as the Donald Trump storyline was not spoiled before it was revealed. In fact, plans regarding Trump were kept secret from pretty much everyone in the company except those involved in the pre-tape and a few others.

Swerving his employees and fans apparently worked so well it backfired cause Vince and USA had to issue a press release admitting it's just a fake purchase cause news channels believed it and Vince started losing shares on Wall Street.


USA Network Statement Re: WWE Monday Night RAW

NEW YORK, June 18 /PRNewswire/ -- "USA Network and WWE issued a press release on June 16 that referred to Monday Night RAW's storyline of a 'sale' of WWE's RAW to Donald Trump. We intended the release to be promotional for that ongoing story arc on the series. There is no such actual 'sale'. We apologize for any confusion."

So this homo's ingenius plan to fool his employees and fans ultimately backfired on him. Way to go Vince!

[paulisded]

My god this story gets worse every day.

[lleeder]

Wow Vince fooled em from wall street to main street.

[foodcourtdruide]

Storyline makes no sense and has all the makings of a 3 week pointless storyline. I thought Bischoff, Flair or Heyman would have been better choices simply as GM. The whole "sold the brand" is really stupid and makes no sense.

[styckx]

Storyline makes no sense and has all the makings of a 3 week pointless storyline. I thought Bischoff, Flair or Heyman would have been better choices simply as GM. The whole "sold the brand" is really stupid and makes no sense.

I'm sure we are about due for our annual something tragic happens to Vince and disappears for 3 months angle.

Trump pushes him out of his helicopter.

Trumps helicopter lands on him and explodes.

A mysterious man with a hidden face does something retarded to Vince involving electricity or something else retarded involving badly built stage props then 2 months later to be unmasked as someone no one cares about and will be reduced to heat tapings in a month.

[lleeder]

I hope there's a fiddle match to determine the fate of the company.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Here's what you do that most certainly won't happen because I thought of it...

On RAW, Donald Trump announces that while he may be the new owner, he can't always be in control of the new WWE properties that he owns being that he nearly owns everything else in the world. So, like any good owner of a professional sports team would do, he has hired someone to watch over and coach it into the top spot and appoints Ric Flair as the new General Manager of RAW. By doing this, Trump doesn't always have to appear, Flair can continue his storyline with Orton as the guy in charge, and everyone goes on with their merry way.

[TripleSkeet]

Well according to JR's blog, Trump should be hiring somebody as GM that Vince isnt fond of. So Flair could be up for the role. Austin too.

I dont mind them trying to swerve the internet, I just wish the surprise would actually be a good one.

Like this, this was a swerve of epic proportions...
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[Fallon]

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RAW was awesome.

[RingWraith]

Here's a 10-man Tag match back in 2000, which I thought was great at the time.

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raw WAS great :down:

[TripleSkeet]

It was even better on mute.

[styckx]

Ya know, it's pretty bad when Eric Bischoff of all people thinks your product is boring, awful, and predictable. Speaks volumes

His blog entry


Jericho and Rey was fun to watch, and both men have great matches still to come, but from a story line point of view…been there done this so many times, its hard to get into the angle.

Liked the Cena/Orton interview from a performance point of view, but putting two top performers together in an interview where they both have stakes, but allow themselves to be humiliated/insulted with no reaction from the other, prohibits any suspension of disbelief….aka: buzzkill.

-- "Triple H’s entrance is weak, old and so tired I went to go floss my teeth when it started. He looks like a Lhasa Apso genetic experiment gone bad. Get him some new music for Gods sake, and a hair-cut. One word describes HHH’s character: dated."

-- "The VKM announcement of the new GM tease was weak at best…is it me or are Vince’s ears gaining size on his head? The VKM revelation that he “sold RAW” was lame. When you start out a story line with a premise that is completely unbelievable, should it be a surprise that the audiences gags on it? Trump isn’t good in this role and is too forced. My guess is that Trump will bring in Ric to handle day-to-day duties on his behalf, and at least give fans something to get excited about for a while."

-- "The main event just bored me. 3 ways, 4 ways, 10 ways are just cheap ways to camouflage the lack of story and issues between the performers. I am the first one to defend writers/producers who are challenged to come up with fresh ideas for the same pool of talent week after week, but there is a consistent pattern in WWE story telling that just leaves me feeling flat."

Golddust and Hornswaggle? Too f’n goofy for comment. And Miz, make me believe. Because right now I don’t.

[paulisded]

-- "The main event just bored me. 3 ways, 4 ways, 10 ways are just cheap ways to camouflage the lack of story and issues between the performers. I am the first one to defend writers/producers who are challenged to come up with fresh ideas for the same pool of talent week after week, but there is a consistent pattern in WWE story telling that just leaves me feeling flat."


This is so spot on. Every single fucking Raw now ends with 8 or 10-man tag teams that are beyond terrible...particularly when each one has to have their own 5-minute entrance. Same with the tired "partner of your choice" gimmick. In the old days, this occassionally-used gimmick was brilliant. Most of the time, you really were surprised by chosen person - it was either somebody that came back to the company or a shocking heel/face turn. It's rarely a surprise these days.

[CYYYFYYY]

Bishop had one Brillant idea. The NWO, then he watered it down and watered it down quite quickly. It is like listening Steve Phillips talk about baseball. I pass

[styckx]

Oh jesus christ. I hate to say I called it two weeks ago or so but..

J.R. Speaks: Sid & Goldberg Returning?, Bash PPV, More

On Sid: "Same thing goes for Psycho Sid as many folks ask if he will ever return to WWE. I haven't a clue but it would seem if Sid was going to return to WWE that he would have done so by now. However, I am blessed to not be in the talent relations department any longer so I don't know what those types of plans are as a rule. Now if you have a BBQ question, I'm in."

As much as J.R. tries to make his blogs a shoot, their works. Which means Sid will be back. Fucking awful.

[TripleSkeet]

Oh jesus christ. I hate to say I called it two weeks ago or so but..

J.R. Speaks: Sid & Goldberg Returning?, Bash PPV, More



As much as J.R. tries to make his blogs a shoot, their works. Which means Sid will be back. Fucking awful.

I dont see Sid coming back. He can barely move. Besides, its softball season. Dont expect to see him anytime soon.

[cougarjake13]

anyone else think maybe trump re hires back mr kennedy ???


tonights show is in green bay

[jab]

anyone else think maybe trump re hires back mr kennedy ???


tonights show is in green bay

good call

[RingWraith]

anyone else think maybe trump re hires back mr kennedy ???


tonights show is in green bay

Vince McMahon just found out you just thought about this and he thinks your predicting the angle, "which was gonna happen"! :wink:

Now he's changed the storyline... again! :dry:

[Heather 8]

That is some scary hair. It's distracting me from his shitty promo, at least.

[jab]

i bet those people up top wish they got better seats now

[Heather 8]

Supposedly every fan in the crowd will get a refund.

Why couldn't Trump have "bought" Wrestlemania 15?

[cougarjake13]

what is cena fucking john deere now ??


is he gonna start coming to the ring in one ???

[jab]

i hate cena but they give him some good marketing.

[cougarjake13]

whoever said we'd see a lot of video clips as filler was right

[RingWraith]

whoever said we'd see a lot of video clips as filler was right

Just like in a PPV. Same crap we see over and over again.

[NickyL0885]

Well, at least Cena acknowledges that people dont like him.

[cougarjake13]

Well, at least Cena acknowledges that people dont like him.



he said a lot of true shit there about himself


wonder if vince actually let him say taht

[Chimee]

Oh great, a night of bad Vince McMahon skits.

[jab]

either that guy is tiny or vince is huge or both. there i think i covered all the bases as the kids say.

[NickyL0885]

Oh great, a night of bad Vince McMahon skits.

i dont know about that. Vince hopping on his limo drivers back was hilarious.

[jab]

have there been any matches yet?

[cougarjake13]

have there been any matches yet?

no

[cougarjake13]

so we have a brand new raw mgr


and we have a smackdown match

[cougarjake13]

was wondering what that chicken was there for



guess thats where theyre gonna get the ad money from


we'll be seein shit like that all night

[jab]

was wondering what that chicken was there for



guess thats where theyre gonna get the ad money from


we'll be seein shit like that all night

and its probably tv camera chicken so they cant even enjoy it.

edit - also, if jeff hardy from mordor?

[Heather 8]

edit - also, if jeff hardy from mordor?


One does not simply swanton into Mordor.

[jab]

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssss Brilliant

[cougarjake13]

santino kicks ass


hopefully they give him a good push now

[styckx]

So what nail biting action have I missed so far

[cougarjake13]

So what nail biting action have I missed so far

6 man tag


rey, jeff, and khali vs edge, jericho, and dirk diggler



jeff swantons on diggler match over

[NickyL0885]

Why do the tag champs carry both sets of titles? If they are unified, just make a new set of titles.

[styckx]

Wow. Two clean finishes? WTF I'm not used to this

[cougarjake13]

Why do the tag champs carry both sets of titles? If they are unified, just make a new set of titles.

b/c they'll be un unified soon

[styckx]

Not like any of the belts carry any actual weight anymore. They pass them around like glow sticks at a gay rave

[Heather 8]

Not like any of the belts carry any actual weight anymore. They pass them around like glow sticks at a gay rave

And much like a gay rave, you're guaranteed a buttfucking by the end of the evening.

[styckx]

Stay Classy Vince

What's that on the cover?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/styckx/nada.jpg

Oh just the dead Iranian chick who was shot to death

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/styckx/nada2.jpg

Not important!

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/styckx/nada3.jpg

[Heather 8]

Gigging Rigging Guy FTW!

[styckx]

LOL @ the last man standing match ending in a draw. How unshocking.

[jab]

youve gotta be fucking kidding.

[Heather 8]

Hey, it's a free "PPV-quality" match, you take your shitty ending and like it!

[IamFogHat]

How many refs do these idiots need?

[styckx]

Time for 10 minutes of PPV and DVD promo's!! No commercials!!

[jab]

i still love sweet maria.

[styckx]

Have I counted correctly? 3 matches in an hour and 1/2 on a commercial free RAW? Awful

[Chimee]

Weekly celebrity hosts? This show sucks.

[styckx]

Wait what? That's the end of the angle? Holy shit this is the worst shit ever. .... WTF WAS THAT

[RingWraith]

One does not simply swanton into Mordor.

:thumbup:
:clap:
:happy:
:lol:



I'm such a nerd to find that post really funny!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

So...I'm guessing RAW has been bad. I decided to pass.

[paulisded]

Reading these last two pages makes me so happy that a person decided to stop by my house. I take it I don't need to watch my DVR'd copy?

[styckx]

Reading these last two pages makes me so happy that a person decided to stop by my house. I take it I don't need to watch my DVR'd copy?

Dude.

Trump comes out says everyone in the arena gets a refund, celebrity guests each week, and every RAW is commercial free.

Vince strolls out, blah blah blah, Vince buys RAW back for double the money he sold it for. Trump slaps him. End of 15 minute segment and worst angle ever.

[paulisded]

Dude.

Trump comes out says everyone in the arena gets a refund, celebrity guests each week, and every RAW is commercial free.

Vince strolls out, blah blah blah, Vince buys RAW back for double the money he sold it for. Trump slaps him. End of 15 minute segment and worst angle ever.

Wow. Just wow. Two commercial-free hours for that?

[styckx]

Wow. Just wow. Two commercial-free hours for that?

2hrs, no commericials

6 man tag

singles match primo vs rhodes

last man standing match that ended in a draw

6 diva tag match

and then the awful main event you just saw

This was basically a free preview of the PPV w/ no commercials. aka, every RAW

[paulisded]

2hrs, no commericials

6 man tag

singles match primo vs rhodes

last man standing match that ended in a draw

6 diva tag match

and then the awful main event you just saw

This was basically a free preview of the PPV w/ no commercials. aka, every RAW

Was the crowd this out of it throughout the entire show? It was almost like a TNA taping.

[styckx]

Was the crowd this out of it throughout the entire show? It was almost like a TNA taping.

Actually that's EXACTLY what it was like. Even during the matches they barely called the match and just talked about the PPV instead

[brettmojo]

I had a thought at 9:14 that,"Oh yeah, Raw is commercial free tonight. Forgot."

Then I continued playing Ghostbusters...

The end.

[foodcourtdruide]

HHH/Orton match was actually pretty good with some good spots, though the end was lame. The Trump/McMahon angle was beyond dumb. What exactly was the point? If Trump would have bought it, to sell it to someone Vince wouldn't do business with for more money, then I think it'd be pretty awesome. Maybe a trio of Bischoff/Flair/Heyman, backed by some legit wealthy person they ominously make references to (the Nuggets owner? Ted Turner?).

[paulisded]

HHH/Orton match was actually pretty good with some good spots, though the end was lame. The Trump/McMahon angle was beyond dumb. What exactly was the point? If Trump would have bought it, to sell it to someone Vince wouldn't do business with for more money, then I think it'd be pretty awesome. Maybe a trio of Bischoff/Flair/Heyman, backed by some legit wealthy person they ominously make references to (the Nuggets owner? Ted Turner?).

I would bet that the Trump angle was supposed to play out for a few weeks, but had to be killed with the public admission it was an angle.

[TripleSkeet]

So far every "huge summer angle" they have tried has bombed terribly. When will they fucking learn, just focus on the wrestling!

Oh and that Santino edit was pretty well done. It fooled my wife, lol.

[Fallon]

was wondering what that chicken was there for



guess thats where theyre gonna get the ad money from


we'll be seein shit like that all night

Nitro was doing shit like that with commercial breaks.

[paulisded]

It was no surprise that there were lots of product placements. These much-touted "commercial-free" or "limited commercial interruption" promotions are always underwritten by one or two advertisers. Vince made just as much money last night as any other broadcast.

[Dirtbag]

I'd much rather have a bucket of moldy chicken conveniently placed by the announcers than take 4 minute breaks every 20 minutes. I already have time to go take a piss every time Randy Orton's on screen.

[TripleSkeet]

It was no surprise that there were lots of product placements. These much-touted "commercial-free" or "limited commercial interruption" promotions are always underwritten by one or two advertisers. Vince made just as much money last night as any other broadcast.

Even with giving back the money to the live audience?

[paulisded]

Even with giving back the money to the live audience?

Oh, I'm sure there's some bait and switch in there somehow. Vouchers for an upcoming show, or if they truly did pay cash I'm sure somebody paid out a generous portion of it.

[Heather 8]

Well, it worked ratings-wise for them. Last night's Raw drew a 4.5.

[Heather 8]

Oh, I'm sure there's some bait and switch in there somehow. Vouchers for an upcoming show, or if they truly did pay cash I'm sure somebody paid out a generous portion of it.

Supposedly those who paid via credit card got an automatic refund. Those who paid cash had to go to the box office either last night after the show or sometime this week.

And regarding the abbreviated Trump angle (credit Figure Four Weekly):

WWE writers did not finish the script for Raw until hours before the show, and it was a last minute decision to kill off the Donald Trump new owner storyline. The storyline was originally planned to last for more than a week. The general feeling backstage was negative towards the storyline, and it did not create the reaction Vince McMahon expected from the media.

WWE hoped when they announced Donald Trump would give a full ticket refund for the people in attendance at last night's Raw that the media would pick the story up, but it was another failed attempt as only the local media covered it. The bottom line now is that WWE purchased $250,000 worth of failed publicity.

[brettmojo]

Supposedly those who paid via credit card got an automatic refund. Those who paid cash had to go to the box office either last night after the show or sometime this week.

And regarding the abbreviated Trump angle (credit Figure Four Weekly):
Hilarious.

[foodcourtdruide]

Its so funny. They do something ballsy and brilliant like giving refunds... Then shit the bed by making the angle sooooo lame.

[styckx]

Awesome amount of fail all around. I love it.

[RingWraith]

WWE writers did not finish the script for Raw until hours before the show, and it was a last minute decision to kill off the Donald Trump new owner storyline. The storyline was originally planned to last for more than a week. The general feeling backstage was negative towards the storyline, and it did not create the reaction Vince McMahon expected from the media.

WWE hoped when they announced Donald Trump would give a full ticket refund for the people in attendance at last night's Raw that the media would pick the story up, but it was another failed attempt as only the local media covered it. The bottom line now is that WWE purchased $250,000 worth of failed publicity.



FAIL

[styckx]

Maybe not.. Dammit dammit dammit

For last nights show, the first hour did 4.2 rating with 6.3 million viewers, while the second hour shot up to a 4.8 rating with 7.3 million viewers.

While last night's show was a special event in that it was the first ever commercial-free Raw, the last time RAW did a 4.5 rating for a 2-hour show was back in January 2006.

As we reported earlier, WWE issued a press release this afternoon stating that while Trump is no longer the owner of Raw, his feud with Vince McMahon is probably not over. With a rating like this, you can understand why.

[RingWraith]

Maybe not.. Dammit dammit dammit


damn, Damn, DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stupid curious viewers, giving Vince a reason to keep Trump around more. UGH!:wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

I would bet that the Trump angle was supposed to play out for a few weeks, but had to be killed with the public admission it was an angle.

i was thinking that or maybe it was a 1 week swerve b/c everyone knew flair was gonna be named the new gm

[paulisded]

Based on this cover, I may have to buy this album:

http://images.emusic.com/music/images/album/284/114/742/11474268/300x300.jpg

[Fallon]

Lilian is leaving WWE when her contract is up later this year.

When she began announcing for WWE she was awful, but now I think I'm gonna miss her voice. Especially at live events, she nailed the national anthem.

Plus her legs.

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