Monday Night RAW Discussion

[NickyL0885]

jeez. Flair is bleeding way too much. He oversold it.

[epo]

I'm sure that Jeff Hardy might actually be retarded.

[cougarjake13]

jeez. Flair is bleeding way too much. He oversold it.

yeh that last shot of him on the floor and there was a lot of blood under his head



i was wondering hows hes still alive

[cougarjake13]

I'm sure that Jeff Hardy might actually be retarded.

well its working cause now on wwe.com they have the many faces of jeff hardy

[Bob Impact]

Eyebrows bleed like a bitch.

Sarah looked at Jeff Hardy and went "what is he supposed to be?"

[cougarjake13]

Eyebrows bleed like a bitch.

Sarah looked at Jeff Hardy and went "what is he supposed to be?"




tonight he looked like he was in ICP

[Bob Impact]

tonight he looked like he was in ICP

What the shit was that promo too?

HEY YOU THINK THIS MATCH WAS EXTREEEME? THIS WASN'T EXTREEEMMMMEEE!

Way to shit on the match you just had genius.

[NickyL0885]

I wonder something. Why does WWE still continue to do movies? I mean, do they actually think they will make money? Not one of them has gotten positive reviews and made money. So, why continue to do it? Isn't it a waste of money?

[cougarjake13]

What the shit was that promo too?

HEY YOU THINK THIS MATCH WAS EXTREEEME? THIS WASN'T EXTREEEMMMMEEE!

Way to shit on the match you just had genius.

they seemingly give him less and less mic time, which is good cause he sucks on mic


i can see where he was going with the extreme line but he coulda said it better

[Knowledged_one]

I wonder something. Why does WWE still continue to do movies? I mean, do they actually think they will make money? Not one of them has gotten positive reviews and made money. So, why continue to do it? Isn't it a waste of money?

dvd sales

[Chimee]

retarded fans

Fixed that for ya.

[NickyL0885]

dvd sales

they make money on those? Do THAT many people buy them?

[MagillaGorillaz]

tonight he looked like he was in ICP

I thought he looked more like the Jedi chick from Clone Wars

http://www.thescreendirectory.com/tsdblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/clone-wars.jpg

[cougarjake13]

marine (cena) almost broke even at box office http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419946/business
cost 20 mil
made 18 mil

behind enemy lines went straight to dvd



see no evil (kane) made almost double the cost
cost 8 mil
made 15 mil


the condemned (stone cold) made 7 mil, they had no amount for how much it cost



and according to imdb

walking tall and the rundown with the rock are wwe films

walking tall made 46 mil, cost 56 mil
rundown made 47 mil, cost 85 mil



the numbers for how much they made are usa box office only

[cougarjake13]

so if they do halfway decent on the dvd sales they'll be good

[NickyL0885]

marine (cena) almost broke even at box office http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419946/business
cost 20 mil
made 18 mil

behind enemy lines went straight to dvd



see no evil (kane) made almost double the cost
cost 8 mil
made 15 mil


the condemned (stone cold) made 7 mil, they had no amount for how much it cost



and according to imdb

walking tall and the rundown with the rock are wwe films

walking tall made 46 mil, cost 56 mil
rundown made 47 mil, cost 85 mil



the numbers for how much they made are usa box office only

When it comes to making money on the box office sales, a movie must make double the budget and double the marketing. So, if a movie is made for $10 million and the marketing cost $2 million, then the movie needs to make $24 million just to break even.

[cougarjake13]

When it comes to making money on the box office sales, a movie must make double the budget and double the marketing. So, if a movie is made for $10 million and the marketing cost $2 million, then the movie needs to make $24 million just to break even.

why wouldnt making 12 if it cost 12 be breaking even ??

[NickyL0885]

why wouldnt making 12 if it cost 12 be breaking even ??

b/c the income has to be double the budget and marketing. I mean, thats what I read. It does sound weird but Im sure there is a reason for it.

[cougarjake13]

b/c the income has to be double the budget and marketing. I mean, thats what I read. It does sound weird but Im sure there is a reason for it.

yeh i would think whatever you put out , if you get at least that back then you break even


anything over that and you make a profit

[TripleSkeet]

b/c the income has to be double the budget and marketing. I mean, thats what I read. It does sound weird but Im sure there is a reason for it.

I dont thatds what needs to happen for it to make money. I think thats the formula they use to count the movie as a success. In other words, maybe they dont think it was worth the time to make a $10 million film if they only turned a profit of $5 million on it. Nowadays though the DVD sales can completely change a studios views on if a movie is a flop or a success.

For the record, it was nice to see Flair bleed. For awhile I thought they had banned bleeding now. Sorry but the ending of Raw last week where HHH had Cody in the cage was a moment that should have had some blood. Caging this guy in for revenge, throwing him into every cage wall and using a sledgehammer and the guy doesnt have a scratch. Pathetic.

[epo]

b/c the income has to be double the budget and marketing. I mean, thats what I read. It does sound weird but Im sure there is a reason for it.

That is correct. The formula is a bit complex but essentially the studio gets 50 cents of every dollar on the price of a ticket.

So if movie cost $10 million, it needs to bring in $20million internationally for it to make money at the box office.

[conman823]

For the record, it was nice to see Flair bleed. For awhile I thought they had banned bleeding now.

It was suppose to be "Kid Friendly". You have Flair bleeding all over the place, and a WOMAN getting DDTed.

WWEKids indeed!!

[TripleSkeet]

It was suppose to be "Kid Friendly". You have Flair bleeding all over the place, and a WOMAN getting DDTed.

WWEKids indeed!!

Hopefully theyll keep going in this direction. Fuck kid friendly. We grew up seeing blood, all it did was make it seem more real. If they do have a ban on bleeding it makes me like Ric Flair even more for ignoring it.

Reading Bret Harts book, the last time they banned bleeding was the early 90's, basically the WWE's toilet days, go figure. And all the guys that "accidentally" got cut? Turned out they were all planned blade jobs they had to pretend were accidents to appease management.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

It was suppose to be "Kid Friendly". You have Flair bleeding all over the place, and a WOMAN getting DDTed.

WWEKids indeed!!

don't forget she was molested slightly while knocked out from said DDT

[Fallon]

don't forget she was molested slightly while knocked out from said DDT

That was the best part. Orton is great.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

That was the best part. Orton is great.

yeah i'm digging orton as the number one heel just wish he could have a number one face to go at him with. cm punk ain't there yet jericho is too good as a heel. there has to be more factions eventually to cope with orton's boys i hope vince remakes the union

[MIKEYDAKEN]

santino needs to bring back the europen title as a reward for that

[daveyp]

Agreed on the Santino...to funny.

[NickyL0885]

I love the way HBK is doing these promos. Its what makes him still one of the best in the business.

[conman823]

That was the best part. Orton is great.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t235/bone80620/vomit.jpg

Sorry, you were saying?

[conman823]

I love the way HBK is doing these promos. Its what makes him still one of the best in the business.

Yes, they're the best thing he's done in a long time.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

shawn michaels is the worst born again ever : he likes to strip his clothes off in front of arenas full of children, he is by no means humble and this has nothing to do with his religion but that eye is really creepy. having him break the streak would be stupid they need to get some young guy who could use the rub from 'taker not a 40 something who is blowing HHH who in turn is blowing Vince

[conman823]

The fuck can't people clean up thier lives without attributing it to "jesus"? Give yourself some credit for god sakes!

I think the longer Micheals has been back the less "found" he's been.

I don't even begin to understand the eye thing.

And stop being the Heart Break Kid.........your north of 50 for fucks sake, just be Shawn Micheals.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

i love trips imitation of a paint mixer it gets better every week. pretty weak show for wrestlemania week hope smackdown picks up the slack

[TripleSkeet]

shawn michaels is the worst born again ever : he likes to strip his clothes off in front of arenas full of children, he is by no means humble and this has nothing to do with his religion but that eye is really creepy. having him break the streak would be stupid they need to get some young guy who could use the rub from 'taker not a 40 something who is blowing HHH who in turn is blowing Vince

First of all. No. I dont want Undertakers streak being snapped by some up and comer like a Jack Swagger or CM Punk. If thats how youre gonna snap the streak, then dont snap it. Leave it be. I still find it ridiculous (as much as I do love the guy) that they made Chris Jericho the first Undisputed Champ. As a wrestling fan that lowered the accomplishment in my eyes.

Secondly, HBK isnt snapping anything. Hes gotten over on The Undertaker every week on both Raw and Smackdown leading to Mania so far. The Undertaker hasnt won out once yet. They wouldnt let him get beat like this week after week if they were going to have him lose at Mania.

Third of all, Santino fucking rules and they really need to start using him for more then just comic relief.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

That was a damn good ending. It was the only part of Raw I caught but it sold me for the main event. Oh, side fact. Was watching Apollo 13 the other day and saw that Kevin Bacon's character was Jack Swagger. No lie. Guess that's where they got it from.

[conman823]

pretty weak wrestlemania hope summerslam picks up the slack

Fixed it.

[conman823]

The should have been more creative and called him Jacky Bacon.

[Dirtbag]

Third of all, Santino fucking rules and they really need to start using him for more then just comic relief.
Santino should break the streak next year. Clean.

[Don Stugots]

Santino should break the streak next year. Clean.

Edge should have done it last year to keep his streak going

[TjM]

First of all. No. I dont want Undertakers streak being snapped by some up and comer like a Jack Swagger or CM Punk. If thats how youre gonna snap the streak, then dont snap it. Leave it be. I still find it ridiculous (as much as I do love the guy) that they made Chris Jericho the first Undisputed Champ. As a wrestling fan that lowered the accomplishment in my eyes.

Secondly, HBK isnt snapping anything. Hes gotten over on The Undertaker every week on both Raw and Smackdown leading to Mania so far. The Undertaker hasnt won out once yet. They wouldnt let him get beat like this week after week if they were going to have him lose at Mania.

Third of all, Santino fucking rules and they really need to start using him for more then just comic relief.

What do you have against Jericho

[Don Stugots]

i know it will not happen, but i really would like the big show to win the belt.

[TjM]

i know it will not happen, but i really would like the big show to win the belt.

Oh Don I thought you gave up crack

[Don Stugots]

at times i do and at times i dont. sorry to let you down.

[TjM]

at times i do and at times i dont. sorry to let you down.

I'm pulling for ya Don

[Don Stugots]

thank you for your support.

[TjM]

I'm a Cena fan so what the hell do I know

[ScottFromGA]

i still miss the Pre-Wrestlemania, everyone run out to the ring and brawl to end RAW bit.

[Don Stugots]

ewwwww. I am so sorry for you. i dont tnink he will win the belt though.

[TjM]

But it's his time

[Don Stugots]

i still miss the Pre-Wrestlemania, everyone run out to the ring and brawl to end RAW bit.

and JR yelling "Oh My God! What is gonna happen at Wrasltmania!?"
But it's his time

not if his movies keep tanking.

[TripleSkeet]

What do you have against Jericho

Nothing. Didnt you see what I wrote in the parenthesis?

I dont know, it was just with a tournament that had The Rock, Kurt Angle and Stone Cold in it, in a match that meant so much, to see Jericho walk away with it just didnt feel right. It felt like it diminished the title. Maybe it was because he had been a World Champion for all of 3 months before it happened. But I just felt that for the first time the belts were unified in 50 years, it shouldve went to a more established, bigger name guy. I didnt think they shouldve used that moment to try and give a guy a rub.

Just my opinion. I love Jericho, but when I think of the tiers of all time wrestlers, he falls into the 2nd tier, and I felt that it shouldve went to a 1st tier guy.

[TjM]

Nothing. Didnt you see what I wrote in the parenthesis?

I dont know, it was just with a tournament that had The Rock, Kurt Angle and Stone Cold in it, in a match that meant so much, to see Jericho walk away with it just didnt feel right. It felt like it diminished the title. Maybe it was because he had been a World Champion for all of 3 months before it happened. But I just felt that for the first time the belts were unified in 50 years, it shouldve went to a more established, bigger name guy. I didnt think they shouldve used that moment to try and give a guy a rub.

Just my opinion. I love Jericho, but when I think of the tiers of all time wrestlers, he falls into the 2nd tier, and I felt that it shouldve went to a 1st tier guy.

I can see your point

[BillySolHarg]

Nothing. Didnt you see what I wrote in the parenthesis?

I dont know, it was just with a tournament that had The Rock, Kurt Angle and Stone Cold in it, in a match that meant so much, to see Jericho walk away with it just didnt feel right. It felt like it diminished the title. Maybe it was because he had been a World Champion for all of 3 months before it happened. But I just felt that for the first time the belts were unified in 50 years, it shouldve went to a more established, bigger name guy. I didnt think they shouldve used that moment to try and give a guy a rub.

Just my opinion. I love Jericho, but when I think of the tiers of all time wrestlers, he falls into the 2nd tier, and I felt that it shouldve went to a 1st tier guy.

Agreed somewhat.....But you must admit Jericho has THE BEST natural heel heat in wrestling today. Aside from Vickie Guerrero the guy is a working furnace.

[cougarjake13]

as for hbk's eye thing



was it something that happened in real life and they wrote in the story line

or


did it get fucked up from that match

[conman823]

Nothing. Didnt you see what I wrote in the parenthesis?

I dont know, it was just with a tournament that had The Rock, Kurt Angle and Stone Cold in it, in a match that meant so much, to see Jericho walk away with it just didnt feel right. It felt like it diminished the title. Maybe it was because he had been a World Champion for all of 3 months before it happened. But I just felt that for the first time the belts were unified in 50 years, it shouldve went to a more established, bigger name guy. I didnt think they shouldve used that moment to try and give a guy a rub.

Just my opinion. I love Jericho, but when I think of the tiers of all time wrestlers, he falls into the 2nd tier, and I felt that it shouldve went to a 1st tier guy.


Your forgetting the main story arch of the "Unification" and that was the god awful Invasion angle.

Giving Jericho the belt 1) Fulfilled contractual obligations 2) Finished SCSA as a heel with "WCW" 3) Left the Rock open for Hogan (who they knew was coming back) 4) Gave HHH the window to crush and dominate in his return from the quad tear at WM without stepping on the sensitive toes of SCSA.

[Crippler]

Secondly, HBK isnt snapping anything. Hes gotten over on The Undertaker every week on both Raw and Smackdown leading to Mania so far. The Undertaker hasnt won out once yet. They wouldnt let him get beat like this week after week if they were going to have him lose at Mania.

For those reasons I would bet real money if there were Vegas lines on the WWE that Taker's streak continues.

Third of all, Santino fucking rules and they really need to start using him for more then just comic relief.

Santino does, indeed, rule.

i know it will not happen, but i really would like the big show to win the belt.

If the WWE ever wanted to get back to entertaining their fans by surprising them every once in a blue moon, that would be the way to do it. My guess is Edge retains by some trickery, but I might be swayed by the fact that there is NO WAY I want to see Cena win.

I'm a Cena fan so what the hell do I know

I wasn't aware they made those (Cena fans) in an over-15 year old version.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/54324011.jpg ...NO OFFENSE!!

[TripleSkeet]

Your forgetting the main story arch of the "Unification" and that was the god awful Invasion angle.

Giving Jericho the belt 1) Fulfilled contractual obligations 2) Finished SCSA as a heel with "WCW" 3) Left the Rock open for Hogan (who they knew was coming back) 4) Gave HHH the window to crush and dominate in his return from the quad tear at WM without stepping on the sensitive toes of SCSA.

Dont get me wrong, I understand why they did it. And I agree hes a top heel now. But hes still 2nd tier all time compared to guys like Austin, Rock, Angle and others. At least in my opinion. I dont see how having The Rock win it and have Hogan challenge him for both belts couldnt have worked.

[Flea_Man]

Dont get me wrong, I understand why they did it. And I agree hes a top heel now. But hes still 2nd tier all time compared to guys like Austin, Rock, Angle and others. At least in my opinion. I dont see how having The Rock win it and have Hogan challenge him for both belts couldnt have worked.

HE PAID RIKISHI TO RUN OVER STONE COLD.

[conman823]

HE PAID RIKISHI TO RUN OVER STONE COLD.

Worst.Payoff.Ever.

[TripleSkeet]

HE PAID RIKISHI TO RUN OVER STONE COLD.

Perfect example of an angle created to give a guy a rub that failed miserably.

[Fallon]

Perfect example of an angle created to give a guy a rub that failed miserably.

And the "feud" was over quickly. I was at the Raw where Austin just whooped Rikishi's ass in a cage and it made him look so fucking weak.

[Freitag]

Jericho could have been huge, but the problem was, he was too goofy-looking with the long hair during the Attitude era, especially since he came in on the tail end of the Attitude era.

If short-hair, suit-wearin' Jericho was around during the Attitude era, he may have been top-tier. He would have been a perfect foil for Foley.

[Freitag]

Worst.Payoff.Ever.

"I did it for you, Rock..."


The Rock's promo where he ran through impressions of everyone was hysterical. I think he did Austin, Angle, Rikishi, and Taker...

I also liked the Rock's promo where he ran through catchphrases.

Miss the Rock.

[conman823]

Miss the Rock.

Especially when I have to endure what passes for "entertainment" on WWE Programing these days.

[cougarjake13]

i wish they had season year to year dvd's cause i missed the attitude era

[Don Stugots]

If they did that, you would be able to compare it to the shit of today a lot easier.

[cougarjake13]

If they did that, you would be able to compare it to the shit of today a lot easier.

true

[MIKEYDAKEN]

i wish they had season year to year dvd's cause i missed the attitude era

can you get WWE ON DEMAND they play the monday night war almost every week. the last week they showed was dec.15 1997 so it's just getting into the austin rock era

[RingWraith]

can you get WWE ON DEMAND they play the monday night war almost every week. the last week they showed was dec.15 1997 so it's just getting into the austin rock era

I watch that every chance I get. Always reminds me of the good 'ol days.

[cougarjake13]

can you get WWE ON DEMAND they play the monday night war almost every week. the last week they showed was dec.15 1997 so it's just getting into the austin rock era

where would i find that ??

[Fallon]

where would i find that ??

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwe247/

[cougarjake13]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwe247/



thank you kind sir



didnt think to look there, i thought he was referring to a tv channel

[Fallon]

thank you kind sir



didnt think to look there, i thought he was referring to a tv channel

It is a on demand tv channel. http://demandwwe.channelfinder.net/demand/

[burrben]

i enjoyed the hell out of that lumberjack tag match

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Yeah, that would have been nice to see on WrestleMania last night but I guess they wanted to make up for it not airing. However, on the DVD it will be featured with commentary by Striker and Grisham.

[styckx]

A good portion of the crowd chanting "You still got it" when steamboat was in the ring was cool as shit. Here I thought the current breed of WWE fans were morons, glad to see them respecting a legend who clearly can still work a match.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

That's a hell of a comeback. Didn't see that coming. A few points:

- No fallout from Undertaker and Shawn Michaels
- Felt more like a pre-draft show than post-wrestlemania show other than Orton's angle

[NickyL0885]

Santina/Santino is hilarious. I'm loving it.

[Chimee]

That's a hell of a comeback. Didn't see that coming. A few points:

- No fallout from Undertaker and Shawn Michaels
- Felt more like a pre-draft show than post-wrestlemania show other than Orton's angle

It was a surprise, but it doesn't get me excited for anything. The Backlash main event is probably going to be Orton beating Shane and winning the title without having Triple H take the fall.

Hopefully they really shake things up next week and make a show worth watching.

[Devo37]

i had a feeling Batista was coming back tonight. there was a shot of him during the opening 'credits'. not sure if i just never noticed him before, or if they just re-added him, but i was thinking he was just about due for his comeback.

seeing Steamboat was cool. too. though his drop-kicks and jumps off the ropes weren't quite as high as they were during his prime.

[Chimee]

i had a feeling Batista was coming back tonight. there was a shot of him during the opening 'credits'. not sure if i just never noticed him before, or if they just re-added him, but i was thinking he was just about due for his comeback.

seeing Steamboat was cool. too. though his drop-kicks and jumps off the ropes weren't quite as high as they were during his prime.


Sure, Steamboat may not move around like he used to, but for a man his age, he still works better than half the guys on the roster.

[Don Stugots]

just watched the tag match from tonight, as a guy that doesnt like Carlito, i think he found his nitch and i would like to see more of him and his brother.

[Sue_Bender]

just watched the tag match from tonight, as a guy that doesnt like Carlito, i think he found his nitch and i would like to see more of him and his brother.


I dunno. I think the Colons are assholes. :wacko:

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I dunno. I think the Colons are assholes. :wacko:

that's not cool

[Sue_Bender]

that's not cool


I understand this...but I don't want a Colon spitting in my face...

just because I'm not cool.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I understand this...but I don't want a Colon spitting in my face...

just because I'm not cool.

no one does

[conman823]

Carlitos always been a great wrestler and character.

Unfortunatley he doesn't play nice with the suits so they shit all over him.

[epo]

just watched the tag match from tonight, as a guy that doesnt like Carlito, i think he found his nitch and i would like to see more of him and his brother.

I concur. That's a damned good tag team.

[styckx]

Carlito needs to work on his timing. He a lot of times he seems one step behind where he needs to be and gets caught setting up a move instead of just rolling into a move.

[TripleSkeet]

Lets see....

- The reaction Ricky Steamboat got was awesome. That was like an old school ECW crowd chant.

- Santino still rules. Best talker on Raw.

- That tag match should been on Wrestlemania.

- Cena still gets booed out of certain buildings

- When showing the highlights of the Money in the Bank match the only showing of Christian was for 1 second showing him lying on the floor even though he got probably the loudest pop of the match. I dont get McMahons hate towards that guy.

[TjM]

Lets see....

- The reaction Ricky Steamboat got was awesome. That was like an old school ECW crowd chant.

- Santino still rules. Best talker on Raw.

- That tag match should been on Wrestlemania.

- Cena still gets booed out of certain buildings

- When showing the highlights of the Money in the Bank match the only showing of Christian was for 1 second showing him lying on the floor even though he got probably the loudest pop of the match. I dont get McMahons hate towards that guy.

Me either. I thought he should have won the MIB match if not him then MVP

[conman823]

Lets see....

- The reaction Ricky Steamboat got was awesome. That was like an old school ECW crowd chant.

- Santino still rules. Best talker on Raw.

- That tag match should been on Wrestlemania.

- Cena still gets booed out of certain buildings

- When showing the highlights of the Money in the Bank match the only showing of Christian was for 1 second showing him lying on the floor even though he got probably the loudest pop of the match. I dont get McMahons hate towards that guy.


Cena never gets Booed, Vince McMahon told me so himself when he was re dubbing the audio track to the PPVs.

As far as Christian goes I feel no sympathy for him. Its was said the TNA locker room warned him this would happen and he wanted to go for the money now love it Christian.

[Kevin]

I really do not get this CM Punk thing.

He does nothing for me.

Does not look good.

And his matches are eh at best.

[TjM]

I really do not get this CM Punk thing.

He does nothing for me.

Does not look good.

And his matches are eh at best.

I liked my idea of Christian winning and then cashing in and beating Edge to win the same night

[TripleSkeet]

As far as Christian goes I feel no sympathy for him. Its was said the TNA locker room warned him this would happen and he wanted to go for the money now love it Christian.


Its not sympathy for Christian, its sympathy for us. He couldve won that match and eventually become another main event player which is what the WWE needs more then ever. How many more fucking combinations of HHH, Edge, Cena, Orton, Batista can we go through?

Michaels and Taker are in their golden years, Kanes character is completely dead. They need new main event stars. Christian wouldve been perfect.

[TjM]

Its not sympathy for Christian, its sympathy for us. He couldve won that match and eventually become another main event player which is what the WWE needs more then ever. How many more fucking combinations of HHH, Edge, Cena, Orton, Batista can we go through?

Michaels and Taker are in their golden years, Kanes character is completely dead. They need new main event stars. Christian wouldve been perfect.

Killing one of their best heels didn't help the ME picture either. The only way that match would have worked was if either Hogan, The Rock, or Austin came back to face CJ and in no way should an actor knocked him out

[Kevin]

I liked my idea of Christian winning and then cashing in and beating Edge to win the same night

There is a major problem with that idea..

It makes too much sense.

[TripleSkeet]

Killing one of their best heels didn't help the ME picture either. The only way that match would have worked was if either Hogan, The Rock, or Austin came back to face CJ and in no way should an actor knocked him out

I dont think that killed Jericho at all, I really dont. I remember awhile ago Arnold Swarzenegger knocking out HHH. Didnt hurt him at all.

But I would have much rather have seen your idea of Flair distracting the ref and having Rourke hit him with the ramrod so that Steamboat could get the pin.

[styckx]

WWE needs to nix this stupid "brands" bullshit they still try to serve mindless fans. It's awful and they just randomly toss a star from Smackdown/ECW into a angle w/ a RAW star constantly anyway. The draft is near useless at this point. Who watches Smackdown or ECW? Who remembers they are even on let alone what time and channel?

If Vince wasn't such a self serving homo he might have noticed Steamboat and Austin, two retired wrestlers got more pop and cheers from the crowd this weekend then anyone else on the current roster has in over 3 years. But no, he'll keep spoon feeding the same recycled garbage w/ terrible personalities to the 13 year olds who's parents shell out money for John Cena shirts and WWE action figures.

[RingWraith]

WWE needs to nix this stupid "brands" bullshit they still try to serve mindless fans. It's awful and they just randomly toss a star from Smackdown/ECW into a angle w/ a RAW star constantly anyway. The draft is near useless at this point. Who watches Smackdown or ECW? Who remembers they are even on let alone what time and channel?

If Vince wasn't such a self serving homo he might have noticed Steamboat and Austin, two retired wrestlers got more pop and cheers from the crowd this weekend then anyone else on the current roster has in over 3 years. But no, he'll keep spoon feeding the same recycled garbage w/ terrible personalities to the 13 year olds who's parents shell out money for John Cena shirts and WWE action figures.

I agree with you. The draft is pointless when most the stars show up on each show anyway. Especially the last couple of years, almost every wrestler crosses over.

Personally, I prefer just one big roster just like the old days for Raw and Smackdown. And WW"ECW", well I don't really care for that show.

[Dirtbag]

I understood the brand split at first, when they were actually using it to not make guys work two days of TV, plus house shows every week. But now they seem to be SD after Raw anyway so even the guys who aren't on both shows all the time are doing the same travel schedule anyway. Its definitely time to cut some of the dead weight and just have one roster on two shows again. Get rid of ECW, even if it is the only thing on Sci-Fi that gets ratings.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Here's what I'd like to see:

- RAW: Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler
- Smackdown: Michael Cole and Mr. Kennedy
- ECW: Todd Grisham and Matt Striker

[cougarjake13]

i like miz and morrison more than the carlitos

[cougarjake13]

I understood the brand split at first, when they were actually using it to not make guys work two days of TV, plus house shows every week. But now they seem to be SD after Raw anyway so even the guys who aren't on both shows all the time are doing the same travel schedule anyway. Its definitely time to cut some of the dead weight and just have one roster on two shows again. Get rid of ECW, even if it is the only thing on Sci-Fi that gets ratings.



dont forget that on thursday theres a 4th show now


wwe superstars

[Sue_Bender]

dont forget that on thursday theres a 4th show now


wwe superstars


This may be the only show I watch from now on...until it becomes highlight package bullshit.

I loved WWE Velocity.

[conman823]

Here's what I'd like to see:

- RAW: Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler
- Smackdown: Michael Cole and Mr. Kennedy
- ECW: Todd Grisham and Matt Striker

Actually I would like to see Lawler as GM of Raw. Since they watered down his "heel" commentator status long ago I think he would make a good GM.

As a replacement I think Kennedy is good, bt for some history I would say Double A.

[cougarjake13]

This may be the only show I watch from now on...until it becomes highlight package bullshit.

I loved WWE Velocity.

well thats what im not sure of


is it a complete new show ?? or just a repackaging of previous shit

[cougarjake13]

looks like its a new show




WWE has released a promo video for the upcoming 'WWE Superstars' weekly television show which will premiere on April 16 on WGN America.

"Expect Everything" is the tag line being used to promote the show which will feature Superstars from all three brands - RAW, Smackdown and ECW - and inter-promotional matches.

The show is expected to be taped on Monday nights with RAW with ECW moving back to its original tapings on Tuesdays with SD!

With 'Superstars' on the air, WWE will have six hours of original programming every week - Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday.

[Sue_Bender]

well thats what im not sure of


is it a complete new show ?? or just a repackaging of previous shit

It's supposed to be NEW content. However, that tends to give in to what's easiest to capture the same ratings.

After a couple of months, we'll probably get A MATCH...surrounded by a rundown of all the other horse shit.

At least it's SOMETHING new. I'll pretend to remain optimistic.

[Sue_Bender]

looks like its a new show




WWE has released a promo video for the upcoming 'WWE Superstars' weekly television show which will premiere on April 16 on WGN America.

"Expect Everything" is the tag line being used to promote the show which will feature Superstars from all three brands - RAW, Smackdown and ECW - and inter-promotional matches.

The show is expected to be taped on Monday nights with RAW with ECW moving back to its original tapings on Tuesdays with SD!

With 'Superstars' on the air, WWE will have six hours of original programming every week - Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday.


You've done your homework, son!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

They might as well start up their own cable network at this point.

[cougarjake13]

They might as well start up their own cable network at this point.

with all the other things vince has tried to do im surprised he hasnt yet

[Sue_Bender]

with all the other things vince has tried to do im surprised he hasnt yet


And if he does...it WILL fail.


"Major" sponsors aren't going to dash to an ALL wrestling network.

[Chimee]

I'm sure Carbonite would love it.

[cougarjake13]

And if he does...it WILL fail.


"Major" sponsors aren't going to dash to an ALL wrestling network.



true but if he did something like what turner did with tnn or whatever it was


maybe

[Sue_Bender]

true but if he did something like what turner did with tnn or whatever it was


maybe

TBS?


Perchance.

[TripleSkeet]

And if he does...it WILL fail.


"Major" sponsors aren't going to dash to an ALL wrestling network.

It would work if he did it kinda like his WWE 24/7 OnDemand channel. A monthly fee of $7 plus whatever ad money he could get.

Have different programming on different days and times. He wouldnt even have to edit out the language and gestures from the Attitude Era like he does on 24/7 now. Just air those shows later at night. Think about all the material he has. You could make an entire schedule each week. Start at 6am, run 12 hours, and then re-run those 12 hours.

Hes got every Nitro, Raw and ECW broadcast, as well as PPV's, old NWA tv shows, WCCW, AWA, WWWF and just about every old local territory. It would be so much better then it is now. Once he gets enough subscribers hed be able to convince advertisers there is a market for it. Its an idea that would work......so we will probably never see it.

[Don Stugots]

I like Skeets business plan. it worked for TNA to get a TV deal why wouldnt it work to start a network?

[conman823]

I like Skeets business plan. it worked for TNA to get a TV deal why wouldnt it work to start a network?

Because I would never leave the house or watch other programming.

[cougarjake13]

is vince trying to recreate him and austin with orton ??



its seeming that way to me

[brettmojo]

is vince trying to recreate him and austin with orton ??



its seeming that way to me
People liked Austin though. Maybe Vince is trying to make himself the face?

[cougarjake13]

People liked Austin though. Maybe Vince is trying to make himself the face?

for now ya


him hhh and shane are obvious faces to legacys heel

[Don Stugots]

People liked Austin though. Maybe Vince is trying to make himself the face?

that would work better if orton had the belt. no matter what vince did to take the belt off of orton, he rose to the challenge and kicked vince's ass BUT vince will keep trying since he is fighting for the honor of his family. but even copying an old angel they dont do right.

[cougarjake13]

that would work better if orton had the belt. no matter what vince did to take the belt off of orton, he rose to the challenge and kicked vince's ass BUT vince will keep trying since he is fighting for the honor of his family. but even copying an old angel they dont do right.

i think he'll get the belt at backlash


for whatever reason hhh or vince didnt want him to drop it to orton at mania

[Don Stugots]

and teddy long as smackdown GM again? Lawler would be perfect since Flair refused the gig.

[Sue_Bender]

i think he'll get the belt at backlash


for whatever reason hhh or vince didnt want him to drop it to orton at mania


The WWE is big on finishing Wrestlemanias with a face walking out with the title.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

orton will get the belt by beating shane or batista. this way trips can drop the strap while not getting beat mark my words

[Sue_Bender]

orton will get the belt by beating shane or batista. this way trips can drop the strap while not getting beat mark my words


I whole-heartedly agree.

HHH just keeps racking the title wins up.

[TripleSkeet]

Vicky Guerrero on Raw every week is gonna make it even harder to watch now. It almost like he WANTS people to stop watching.

[Fallon]

Vicky Guerrero on Raw every week is gonna make it even harder to watch now. It almost like he WANTS people to stop watching.
At least Edge will probably be on RAW.

[Sue_Bender]

At least Edge will probably be on RAW.


That's NOT helping.

[Fallon]

That's NOT helping.

Besides Jericho, Edge might be the best person WWE has.

[Don Stugots]

true.

[Sue_Bender]

Besides Jericho, Edge might be the best person WWE has.

I know...

but I've never been a fan of Edge's work (in-ring/mic) ...outside of gimmick matches.

[RingWraith]

Vicky Guerrero on Raw every week is gonna make it even harder to watch now. It almost like he WANTS people to stop watching.

EXCUSE ME? :dry:

[conman823]

Besides Jericho, Edge might be the best person WWE has.

Edges character has been fucked ever since this angle with Vickie started. Jerichos one angle since returning with Micheals was the only thing going for him. In recent months I can't even stand to watch him, and he's a favorite of mine.

The writing is just horrid. These 2 guys deserve better.........fuck so do the fans.

And I STILL don't get the Orton thing, I'm fuckin really trying too and I just don't see it. He's holding down DiBiase and his "heel" actions make me laugh, not in the good way I usually laugh at heels more like its a joke.

[TripleSkeet]

Im not a big fan of Edge. Hes fine in the ring but ever since he turned into "INTENSE" Edge, he just bored the shit out of me.

He was 20 times better when he "reeked of awesomeness".

So yea, Edge on Raw? Not helping.

[TjM]

Im not a big fan of Edge. Hes fine in the ring but ever since he turned into "INTENSE" Edge, he just bored the shit out of me.

He was 20 times better when he "reeked of awesomeness".

So yea, Edge on Raw? Not helping.

You know what else is awsome?

SODA!

:lol:

[cougarjake13]

I whole-heartedly agree.

HHH just keeps racking the title wins up.




he needs what 4 more to tie flair ??

[Sue_Bender]

he needs what 4 more to tie flair ??

I think he's collected 13 World Championships.

He won his first in 1999...so 13 times in 10 years...


seems logical.

[cougarjake13]

I think he's collected 13 World Championships.

He won his first in 1999...so 13 times in 10 years...


seems logical.

yeh he has 13 titles


flair has 16 credited titles, although wikipedia says it may be as high as 22

[Sue_Bender]

yeh he has 13 titles


flair has 16 credited titles, although wikipedia says it may be as high as 22


22 World Titles?!

I knew that they took one unified (WCW World/NWA International) title off his credits, but 22? Damn.

[cougarjake13]

22 World Titles?!

I knew that they took one unified (WCW World/NWA International) title off his credits, but 22? Damn.

well like i said its wiki so for whatever thats worth


but it says that the wwe doesnt recognize some title reigns

[conman823]

Yeah but Flairs reigns mean a whole lot more. Back then the title was handed around like a fucking football every other month.

I would say with BELT INFLATION to conquer Flairs 16 world titles you would need like 27 from todays system.

[whorehay]

can i make a suggestion for a possible plot line post draft:
a relationship between Hermie and Kelly Kelly. ending in marriage of course.

[cougarjake13]

can i make a suggestion for a possible plot line post draft:
a relationship between Hermie and Kelly Kelly. ending in marriage of course.



who the hell is hermie ??

[Heather 8]

who the hell is hermie ??

The Rock used to call Kevin Kelly "Hermie."

So I guess the gag is she would be Kelly Kelly-Kelly.

[cougarjake13]

The Rock used to call Kevin Kelly "Hermie."

So I guess the gag is she would be Kelly Kelly-Kelly.




ok

[TripleSkeet]

Hermie was short for Hermaphrodite, which is what The Rock would accuse Kevin Kelly of being.

[cougarjake13]

Hermie was short for Hermaphrodite, which is what The Rock would accuse Kevin Kelly of being.



ahh must have been while i wasnt really watching


i didnt get back into watching til 2002

[TripleSkeet]

Wow. You missed the best years. 98-2000 was just incredible.

[cougarjake13]

Wow. You missed the best years. 98-2000 was just incredible.

i know


i had a budday who used to still watch and he'd tell me all te time about what was going on but i never checked it out

[TripleSkeet]

i know


i had a budday who used to still watch and he'd tell me all te time about what was going on but i never checked it out

Do yourself a favor and order WWE 24/7 on demand. Its $8 a month and every 2 weeks they have a new Raw and new Nitro available to watch. Right now they are on December of 07. You can see the shows actually going head-to-head.

They are a little edited (no WWF logos and such) but for the most part youll be able to see what a difference it was. Especially in the coming weeks with the reactions Austin and The Rock start to get when their music hits.

[cougarjake13]

Do yourself a favor and order WWE 24/7 on demand. Its $8 a month and every 2 weeks they have a new Raw and new Nitro available to watch. Right now they are on December of 07. You can see the shows actually going head-to-head.

They are a little edited (no WWF logos and such) but for the most part youll be able to see what a difference it was. Especially in the coming weeks with the reactions Austin and The Rock start to get when their music hits.

ive watched just about all of it since 02


so i just need to watch basically 94-2002

[CruelCircus]

I think he meant December of 97.

[cougarjake13]

I think he meant December of 97.

could be


either way i missed it

[TripleSkeet]

Sorry thats what I meant, December of 97. Right before Austin wins the Rumble to face HBK at Wrestlemania.

Perfect timing to see what you missed.

[NickyL0885]

Wow. Cena-Jericho match is insanely good.

[styckx]

Ugh.. Will someone in WWE please wisen up and kill this Big Show "Punch Of Doom" finisher. I have yet to see it done once and it look anything other then awful and unconvincing.

[paulisded]

Gotta love the UK crowd - cheering Jericho's punches and booing Cena's.

[NickyL0885]

There is no way this Raw is live right? I mean, it would be 3am over in England when it started.

[Chimee]

There is no way this Raw is live right? I mean, it would be 3am over in England when it started.

They shot it a few hours ago.

[paulisded]

Ugh.. Will someone in WWE please wisen up and kill this Big Show "Punch Of Doom" finisher. I have yet to see it done once and it look anything other then awful and unconvincing.

Jesus, you ain't kidding. Simply awful...and what an oversell by Mysterio.

[lleeder]

They still have RAW?

[TripleSkeet]

Ugh.. Will someone in WWE please wisen up and kill this Big Show "Punch Of Doom" finisher. I have yet to see it done once and it look anything other then awful and unconvincing.

I agree. Its even worse then Ortons concussion-giver-outer.

[foodcourtdruide]

Gotta love the UK crowd - cheering Jericho's punches and booing Cena's.

Lawler's reaction to the boo's were soooo stupid. He made it sound like they boo him because they like him.

[conman823]

Lawler's reaction to the boo's were soooo stupid. He made it sound like they boo him because they like him.

I'm sure thats what Vince was screaming in his ear. What I love is that till this day it still gets to Cena. He so wants to be loved. LOL

[NickyL0885]

I'm sure thats what Vince was screaming in his ear. What I love is that till this day it still gets to Cena. He so wants to be loved. LOL

Cena has been a babyface for too long now. But doesnt seem like that will change any time soon.

[Chimee]

Cena has been a babyface for too long now. But doesnt seem like that will change any time soon.

As long as the demographic loves him, he's going to be an annoying babyface for a damn long time, even if his character would work better as a heel.

[foodcourtdruide]

I'm sure thats what Vince was screaming in his ear. What I love is that till this day it still gets to Cena. He so wants to be loved. LOL

I feel bad for Cena because he looks like he's legitimately a nice guy. Also, his in-ring work has improved DRASTICALLY over the last year or so. However, he's still not great in the ring and he's also not great on the mic. He has a really good look, and WWE is just running with it. His matches are never great (though I totally marked out when Jericho broke out of the FU, then did the codebreaker), so there's resentment that he's the top guy. He really doesn't belong in the main event.

[cougarjake13]

big shows punch out and ortons punt kick are ridiculously retarded


ortons rko is much better and using the punt kick kinda reduces the rko


i guess they couldnt have taker, kane, and show all use the chokeslam but come up with something better than a super punch

[conman823]

I feel bad for Cena because he looks like he's legitimately a nice guy. Also, his in-ring work has improved DRASTICALLY over the last year or so. However, he's still not great in the ring and he's also not great on the mic. He has a really good look, and WWE is just running with it. His matches are never great (though I totally marked out when Jericho broke out of the FU, then did the codebreaker), so there's resentment that he's the top guy. He really doesn't belong in the main event.

I can agree that Cena has improved, but he still just shoehorns in his "pattened" moves. Jericho can get out of the FU, but layed there and sold to a 5 Knuckle Shuffle that took 8 1/2 minutes to pull off because Cenas playing too the crowd. At least Hogan used to drop the Big Legdrop in a rather timely fashon.

I understand WHY he's in the main event as far as marketing goes, and I can even respect that. He won't be a Heel anytime soon thats for sure. Meanwhile I still don't get why Orton is in the Main Event scene on RAW and Jerichos going off to the forgotten realm of SD.

[conman823]

big shows punch out and ortons punt kick are ridiculously retarded

ortons rko is much better and using the punt kick kinda reduces the rko

i guess they couldnt have taker, kane, and show all use the chokeslam but come up with something better than a super punch

Ortons kick is unforgivably BAD and should be slowly forgotten.

Taker has many a finisher these days, and all are good. Kane is such a jobber at this point would it matter if his finisher was an Irish Whip? And Show, as much as I used to like him, really needs to reinvent himself or perhaps move on.

Anyone remember when Show was managed by Heyman and feuding with Lesner? He wore jeans to the ring and played a great heel with Heyman in his corner. I thought that finally that phase would put him over. nope instead he Jobbed to Lesner and they pulled Heyman as his manager.

[TripleSkeet]

Paul Heyman as a manager could put anyone over.

Cenas a legit main eventer, its the offices fault of just refusing to listen to the fans. It makes you wonder how the fuck the attitude era ever happened at all. If you look at all the interviews back then, they say every big move they made, Austin going face, turning the Rock heel, etc. was the fans dictating what direction the company went.

Why would you abandon a way of thinking that basically made you a billionaire?

[CruelCircus]

Ugh.. Will someone in WWE please wisen up and kill this Big Show "Punch Of Doom" finisher. I have yet to see it done once and it look anything other then awful and unconvincing.

The one he gave Jericho looked really good.

i guess they couldnt have taker, kane, and show all use the chokeslam but come up with something better than a super punch

If they let Show use something like Lesnar's F5, that would look pretty impressive from 7 feet up.

[NickyL0885]

Paul Heyman as a manager could put anyone over.

Cenas a legit main eventer, its the offices fault of just refusing to listen to the fans. It makes you wonder how the fuck the attitude era ever happened at all. If you look at all the interviews back then, they say every big move they made, Austin going face, turning the Rock heel, etc. was the fans dictating what direction the company went.

Why would you abandon a way of thinking that basically made you a billionaire?

No competition. TNA is not and will not come close as a threat as WCW was.

[foodcourtdruide]

No competition. TNA is not and will not come close as a threat as WCW was.

Also, there was no WWE Films back then. I think that the idea is Cena being a face will draw a significant amount of more people to his movies.

[conman823]

No competition. TNA is not and will not come close as a threat as WCW was.

Everyone says that now, but the tide is turning. Not just in TNA's favor, but a swell of fans who are sick of WWE Programing and want BETTER wrestling action.

TNA could do it, but they need to "eat thier own" over there as well.

[TripleSkeet]

Also, there was no WWE Films back then. I think that the idea is Cena being a face will draw a significant amount of more people to his movies.

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/03/30/monsters-vs-aliens-is-a-dream-for-dreamworks-while-12-rounds/

At what point do they realize that idea is an EPIC FAIL?

[ScottFromGA]

maybe the best thing we can hope for is that WWE films will go bankrupt, cost Vince a lot of money so they can downsize back to what they use to be before it went all mainstream.


I had a LOVE for the darker arenas and the "curtain" instead of the huge light show they come out of now.....reminds me of WCW Nitro with all the flash and flare.

[cougarjake13]

legacy dfeats the mcmahons ortons new champ


jericho defeats the dragon


jeff defeats matt


kane defeats punk

christian defeats swagger, new ecw champ

[Fallon]

legacy dfeats the mcmahons ortons new champ


jericho defeats the dragon


jeff defeats matt


kane defeats punk

christian defeats swagger, new ecw champ

At least Christian is getting a little respect and I'm very happy Orton won. He made that whole feud.

[Fallon]

Edge beats Cena.

Edge, Christian and Orton are champs. Nice.

[cougarjake13]

Edge beats Cena.

Edge, Christian and Orton are champs. Nice.

i knew edge was gonna win cause that was the only way a heavyweight champ belt was getting back on smackdown

[Chimee]

i knew edge was gonna win cause that was the only way a heavyweight champ belt was getting back on smackdown

Punk could've cashed in the MitB.

[cougarjake13]

Punk could've cashed in the MitB.

could have yes but i didnt see them doing that

[Chimee]

Would've made for a nice twist.

[cougarjake13]

Would've made for a nice twist.

yeh but i dont see why the gave it to him 2 yrs in a row

[RingWraith]

HaHa! It is "beneath" Orton to speak to someone like MVP.

[whorehay]

didn't Goldust start his tourette's syndrome after getting electrocuted?

imagine the ratings if Cena returned with that gimmick. now i'm watching!!

[Chimee]

didn't Goldust start his tourette's syndrome after getting electrocuted?

imagine the ratings if Cena returned with that gimmick. now i'm watching!!

Cena already returned, apparently his new gimmick is to limp and glare angrily.

[Bob Impact]

Cena already returned, apparently his new gimmick is to limp and glare angrily.

I though his new gimmick was that he picks people up while Michael Cole screams "OH MY GOD! LOOK AT THE STRENGTH ON CENA!"

[TjM]

Cena already returned, apparently his new gimmick is to limp and glare angrily.

I thought that was a pretty good angle Cena cost the show his title shot and still was able to sell being hurt instead of storming the ring like he was 100 % (The WWE does far too much of this after PPV's IMO)

[ScottFromGA]

so....if Matt Hardy is going to be brought to RAW to be a top heel, why did they make his first promo one where he was whining and almost in tears cause folks were calling him a quitter.....

[TjM]

so....if Matt Hardy is going to be brought to RAW to be a top heel, why did they make his first promo one where he was whining and almost in tears cause folks were calling him a quitter.....

Cowardly heel. Maybe they go the Jericho/Mysterio "Don't you boo me...I'll give you a reason to boo me" angle and have him damn near kill Jeff

[asayresk]

sweet jesus, Santina got a penis!

[Bob Impact]

Cowardly heel. Maybe they go the Jericho/Mysterio "Don't you boo me...I'll give you a reason to boo me" angle and have him damn near kill Jeff

I thought he actually sounded like a poor man's Jericho during his Raw promo.

[Freitag]

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/03/30/monsters-vs-aliens-is-a-dream-for-dreamworks-while-12-rounds/

At what point do they realize that idea is an EPIC FAIL?

WWE Films make money. They aren't 100 mm blockbusters, but they make money. That's why they keep making them.

[styckx]

I haven't watched RAW in 3 weeks, and so I got to watch it tonight.

So far I'm asking myself this - How is it I missed 3 weeks of RAW and it feels like I'm watching the same exact RAW I last watched 3 weeks ago.

I guess Vince is adopting the SNL method. It may not be funny, or entertaining, but if we keep repeating the same awful shit week after week it's bound to catch on eventually. RIGHT?

[styckx]

10:56 the "main event" is still doing ring entrances. When will WWE learn no one at this point believes these main event matches that start at 5 of will be anything but a DQ/Run in/unfinished match to hype up next weeks Raw/The next PPV.

God this shit sucks.

[asayresk]

Shane mcMahon should win the academy award for selling the steel staircase shot. That was horrible.

[styckx]

Shane mcMahon should win the academy award for selling the steel staircase shot. That was horrible.

So was the steel chair shot on the steps. Anyone with a basic understanding of angles would know his foot tucked in the corner of the stairs wasn't even touched when you slap a chair across them.

[RingWraith]

RAW IS BORING............ again!

[RingWraith]

In fact, I should only watch RAW from Royal Rumble to Wrestlemania period.

At least, everyone shows up in both shows and it's mostly entertaining during that time.

[cougarjake13]

10:56 the "main event" is still doing ring entrances. When will WWE learn no one at this point believes these main event matches that start at 5 of will be anything but a DQ/Run in/unfinished match to hype up next weeks Raw/The next PPV.

God this shit sucks.

i always think the same thing


but they have no reason to change it when theres no real competition to make them

[Fallon]

Man, the Attitude Era is back!!!

Jared from Subway?
Some bitch for The View?


:wallbash:

[TripleSkeet]

Man, the Attitude Era is back!!!

Jared from Subway?
Some bitch for The View?


:wallbash:

I was thinking the same thing. How did something that has catered mostly to men for 60 fucking years suddenly go pussy like the rest of tv? Attitude Era Vince would kicked Jared in the balls and pulled his dick out to wave it at the View women. Its a fucking sad day to be a wrestling fan.

WWE Films make money. They aren't 100 mm blockbusters, but they make money. That's why they keep making them.

Did you read that article? Because the point of that paragraph was that its highly doubtful that this one made money. $20 million budget, $5 mill opening week. Its doubtful they will even brean even.


Oh and lastly ONCE AGAIN Santino is the greatest thing on Raw. Best fucking promo in the WWE today. Although I did laugh at The Miz's line about sending Cenas script to The Rock for toilet paper.

[conman823]

Oh and lastly ONCE AGAIN Santino is the greatest thing on Raw. Best fucking promo in the WWE today. Although I did laugh at The Miz's line about sending Cenas script to The Rock for toilet paper.

They should send him the script from RAW to remind him never to return.

[TjM]

So they follow a pretty solid Raw with an abortion of a show. :thumbdown:

[styckx]

Is this shit worth watching this week? I'm watching hockey, just seeing if it's worthy downloading the rip later.

[jab]

you get a great santino promo.

[Chimee]

Is this shit worth watching this week? I'm watching hockey, just seeing if it's worthy downloading the rip later.

I watched 10 minutes and decided to do anything else.

[whorehay]

The Brian Kendrick announced after his win that he was looking for a partner to become THE tag team champions.

predictions? i'm betting it's the Miz. for obvious reasons.

woohoo!! the tag team division is alive and better than ever!!

[RingWraith]

RAW was sooo brutally boring yesterday.

When will wrestling be fun to watch again? :down:

[Dougie Brootal]

RAW was sooo brutally boring yesterday.

When will wrestling be fun to watch again? :down:

when you get wwe 24/7 on demand.

[Fallon]

WWE really fucked up The Legacy. Every week Debiase and Rhodes look fucking weak. They should be fighting tag teams or be in the US title race, but instead they get their ass kicked by the headliners.

[Chimee]

WWE really fucked up The Legacy. Every week Debiase and Rhodes look fucking weak. They should be fighting tag teams or be in the US title race, but instead they get their ass kicked by the headliners.

Orton said it in the opening promo, Legacy needs an Arn Anderson type enforcer.

[Bob Impact]

WWE really fucked up The Legacy. Every week Debiase and Rhodes look fucking weak. They should be fighting tag teams or be in the US title race, but instead they get their ass kicked by the headliners.

Standing next to Orton makes them look like SHIT... During the handicap match last week Orton walked into the ring, out heeled everyone else on the roster, turned to Legacy and said "That's how you do it." I love those moments where something is said in storyline that's insanely true in reality.

[RingWraith]

when you get wwe 24/7 on demand.

I actually do have WWE 24/7 on Demand and it's the best thing ever to relive the Monday night shows of the late 90's.

But WWE these days is so awful I don't think it'll ever be big again.

[Dirtbag]

But WWE these days is so awful I don't think it'll ever be big again.

You must not have been around in the early 90's.

[RingWraith]

You must not have been around in the early 90's.

Thanks for reminding me! I'm trying to forget about the early 90's. :wallbash:

[TripleSkeet]

WWE 24/7 is at the best possible moment right now.

For Nitro its the day after Hogan loses the belt to Sting so you can start to see the downhill slide right from the beginning.

Raw is right before the Royal Rumble that Austin wins to face HBK at Mania, so you get the very beginning of the Attitude Era.

And they also have 2 more sections starting over with the very first Raw and Nitro going head to head.

Plus you have the old World Championship Wrestling show where the Horsemen are just getting started with Magnum TA. And ols ECW shows too.

Best $8 a month I ever spent. Especially considering this weeks Raw was entirely worthless with the exception of a 1 minute Santino promo.

[TjM]

WWE 24/7 is at the best possible moment right now.

For Nitro its the day after Hogan loses the belt to Sting so you can start to see the downhill slide right from the beginning.

Raw is right before the Royal Rumble that Austin wins to face HBK at Mania, so you get the very beginning of the Attitude Era.

And they also have 2 more sections starting over with the very first Raw and Nitro going head to head.

Plus you have the old World Championship Wrestling show where the Horsemen are just getting started with Magnum TA. And ols ECW shows too.

Best $8 a month I ever spent. Especially considering this weeks Raw was entirely worthless with the exception of a 1 minute Santino promo.



I also like the Legends roundtable discussions with Gene, Patterson, Dusty, and Bill Watts

[Knowledged_one]

Smackdown is head and shoulders more entertaining now

[Chimee]

Smackdown is head and shoulders more entertaining now

Of course, the only one I can't watch live is the only one worth watching. At this point I watch RAW because it's something to do.

[styckx]

Of course, the only one I can't watch live is the only one worth watching. At this point I watch RAW because it's something to do.

RAW at this point is my real life version of MST3K. I only watch it to mock and laugh at it.

[Dirtbag]

Raw has Santino. Smackdown may be better overall, but with Raw you're guaranteed at least 3 minutes of greatness every week.

[conman823]

RAW at this point is my real life version of MST3K. I only watch it to mock and laugh at it.

Last time I Tivo-ed RAW (day after Mania) I watched about 10-12 minutes. The rest was FFWD.

I go through several emotions when I watch RAW. First is Humor, then its indifference, and finally anger.

Raw has Santino. Smackdown may be better overall, but with Raw you're guaranteed at least 3 minutes of greatness every week.

Meh, you can watch it on Youtube. No need to give them the ratings.

It would also be nice if he could put on a good matchinstead of being comic relief.

[TripleSkeet]

It would also be nice if he could put on a good matchinstead of being comic relief.

He could if they ever let him wrestle one. I thought he was really good when he first came in.

Tonight he defended Alphonso Soriano because he didnt like seeing a "fellow Italian" mocked.....The guy is pure gold.

[foodcourtdruide]

The jericho/mysterio match and the santino bit were the best parts of the ppv. The morrison/benjamin and Christian/Swagger matches were pretty solid too.

Besides that, the other matches were way too gimmicky. Cena has the stupid superman gimmic going and I give Orton about another 3 weeks to keep his title. The writers have no freaking idea how to write the hardy feud and they reused the old slap the ref gag for Orton/Batista.

[NickyL0885]

Where has HBK been? Is he injured?

[TripleSkeet]

The jericho/mysterio match and the santino bit were the best parts of the ppv. The morrison/benjamin and Christian/Swagger matches were pretty solid too.

Besides that, the other matches were way too gimmicky. Cena has the stupid superman gimmic going and I give Orton about another 3 weeks to keep his title. The writers have no freaking idea how to write the hardy feud and they reused the old slap the ref gag for Orton/Batista.

Morrison should be main eventing. That guy has the look, the wrestling ability and the promo ability. I know he fucked up when he was ECW champ but honestly, this guy should be on his way up. Hopefully King of the Ring this year.

[foodcourtdruide]

Morrison should be main eventing. That guy has the look, the wrestling ability and the promo ability. I know he fucked up when he was ECW champ but honestly, this guy should be on his way up. Hopefully King of the Ring this year.

I agree. He actually cuts a good promo and can wrestle.

[cougarjake13]

Where has HBK been? Is he injured?

him and taker have been mia since mania


no ryhme or reason as to why


just not there

[paulisded]

The jericho/mysterio match and the santino bit were the best parts of the ppv. The morrison/benjamin and Christian/Swagger matches were pretty solid too.


All of those matches were in the first hour of the show, which I missed. Everything I saw was horrifyingly bad. I never thought I'd see the day where I'd be bored by a Jeff Hardy match.

[foodcourtdruide]

All of those matches were in the first hour of the show, which I missed. Everything I saw was horrifyingly bad. I never thought I'd see the day where I'd be bored by a Jeff Hardy match.

The match wasn't terrible (though it did have boring points), it's just the story with him and Matt has been written SO poorly.

You actually missed a pretty awesome hour. I was telling my wife "PPV of the year" after the first hour, but the rest was pretty bad.

[paulisded]

the story with him and Matt has been written SO poorly.
.

Valid point. But it was very slow-paced until the last 2 or 3 minutes.

Cena/Big Show was so predictable. Is there anybody who has watched more than a few weeks of WWE that thought they'd have Big Show win?

Orton/Batista was nothing more than a typical Raw finale.

The video packages also need to end real soon. Every match doesn't need a ten minute history/build-up, as anybody who would be watching a PPV already has seen these packages a million times. Let TNA over-hype non-exciting feuds. Add in the customary 10-minute entrance by people like Edge, Cena, Taker (when he's around), and you have less than an hour of actual show in a three hour PPV.

[Foster]

Cena, Orton and Batista are on RAW now?

who's on Smackdown?

[epo]

Cena, Orton and Batista are on RAW now?

who's on Smackdown?

Everyone with a work rate.

[styckx]

Everyone with a work rate.

Bingo

[styckx]

Wow, you know WWE is desperate when they are using The King in a 15 minute "segment" to first draw cheap pops, then use him again to draw cheap heat by getting his mouth softly held shut by "a heel". This is so laughable.

[paulisded]

Wow, you know WWE is desperate when they are using The King in a 15 minute "segment" to first draw cheap pops, then use him again to draw cheap heat by getting his mouth softly held shut by "a heel". This is so laughable.

It really is a point and laugh night...even more so than usual.

[styckx]

I particularly liked the part where he had to pseudo tease, Bruno, Hogan, and Austin appearing by name dropping them to actually get a reaction from the crowd.

[paulisded]

I particularly liked the part where he had to pseudo tease, Bruno, Hogan, and Austin appearing by name dropping them to actually get a reaction from the crowd.

Yeah, I got a good laugh outta that.

There's really no rhyme or reason why they're doing any of this tonight. I actually get a bit of a laugh from the Miz, but they threw Cena into the Batista/Orton situation. Are they going to eventually give Cena the whole show?

[styckx]

Didn't see this posted yet, but RAW might be canceled next week. WWE had the arena on reserve for Monday since August 2008, but the Nuggets are scheduled to have a NBA Playoff game that same night.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jaCBXUD22nYaIvWf9h8Bf-GexzWAD988VMG80

[disneyspy]

Didn't see this posted yet, but RAW might be canceled next week. WWE had the arena on reserve for Monday since August 2008, but the Nuggets are scheduled to have a NBA Playoff game that same night.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jaCBXUD22nYaIvWf9h8Bf-GexzWAD988VMG80

i think fezfez started a thread about it

[styckx]

Yes, but it's in the wrong forum, the mods should move it. Fez is no one special

[Tenbatsuzen]

Didn't see this posted yet, but RAW might be canceled next week. WWE had the arena on reserve for Monday since August 2008, but the Nuggets are scheduled to have a NBA Playoff game that same night.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jaCBXUD22nYaIvWf9h8Bf-GexzWAD988VMG80

I doubt Raw will be cancelled. Worst case scenario, they'd find an arena in the Denver area they can have Raw. There's two indoor arenas, but they are both much smaller than Pepsi Center.

[paulisded]

I doubt Raw will be cancelled. Worst case scenario, they'd find an arena in the Denver area they can have Raw. There's two indoor arenas, but they are both much smaller than Pepsi Center.

It's also much easier to reschedule a game from a series where they play every 3rd day. The Nuggets game can be played the following night if necessary. It's not like TNT has anything other than Law and Order reruns.