Yankees offseason Speculation Thread [Archive]

HBox

10-11-2005, 04:37 PM

Let Gordon go, he has proven to be unreliable in
the clutch. Replace him with BJ Ryan. Find a couple of other decent
relief pitchers, don't have to break the bank, just guys you can trust
with a 3-5 run lead so you don't overuse Rivera/GordonorRyan or
whatever.Resign Matsui. Find a CF, preferably one with great
defense. Sign or trade for a starter as long as you don't have to break
the bank. Not AJ Burnett. Try to get a decent bat off the bench, Sierra
seems done. Make damn sure there's room in the rotation for Wang and
Chacon.Hopefully they find a way to do something, there's not much out there this offseason.EDIT:
Oh yeah, if Torre comes back make it very clear to him that A-Rod is
not to bat #2 in the lineup, and in case the thought comes into his
mind, Giambi, Sheffield and Matsui aren't either. 


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Bulldogcakes

10-11-2005, 04:40 PM

I think this group that has represented this whole 5 year run since
the last Championship, is over. I think they'll be ALOT of movement
this off-season, most of it TRADES. The free agent market is kinda thin
this year, some excellent relievers, some nice position players, not
many big names. I'll list my changes #1-Torre's out- The
team took the whole month of April off and had to scramble to make the
playoffs on the next to last day of the year. This, for a team that
EVERYONE in the off season thought would win 105-110 games. They just
dont respond to his leadership like they used to. He said himself he
had more closed door meetings this year than all his others combined.
He also loves to talk about how "the effort is good" and "I like our
approach, you cant control the results". There's some truth to that,
but there's also something to be said for getting guys to play TO WIN
(like Jeter does) and not let them off the hook whenever they fail. And
also something to be said for making guys EARN their jobs. Torre has a
soft approach and his team plays soft as a result. No medals for
trying, Joe. This isn't Little League. Pinella's the obvious replacement. #2
Stottlemeyer's out-By his own choice, but its welcome in this case. I
keep hearing for the past few years "You cant tell ___ how to pitch"
Well, if you cant get them to listen to you, WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY
PAYING YOU FOR? Glad to see him go. #3 A shocker Pavano
gets traded-Alot of scuttlebut about how he never fit in with the team,
didn't like NY. Didn't try too hard to come back from his injury. None
of which will go over well with George. Maybe a pitching poor team
takes a package with him and his buddy Wright, Yanks eat some $. 
#4 Cashman's out- Not that he really wants to leave, but
increasingly the team is run out of Tampa. Moves are made he knows
nothing about. He has other offers, he'll end up taking one since
George really doesn't need him anymore, and wont try too hard to cut a
deal with him. A shame, very nice guy. Deserved better. Wish him well
elsewhere. 
#5 Sign BJ Ryan as your lefty set up man to Mariano, with the understanding he'll be the closer in waiting. 
#6
<a target="blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5884">Tori
Hunter</a> in CF-Best defensive CF in the AL, Hits well. Coming off
an injury. If healthy, They sign him to multi year deal 
#7 Sign <a target="blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/scouting?statsId=5908">Paul Konerko</a>A
truly great hitter, 40 HR's .375 OBP. OK defensively. The Yanks saw in
the postseason that Giambi can hit, but cant play the field well enough
to not hurt you in the playoffs. Giambi becomes the full time DH,
Konerko at first. Also weakens the White Sox, which gives you extra
bang for the $$. #8 Fill in the bullpen with trades and/or
other free agents. Gordon walks, Lieter retires, Embree goes to Japan.
The whole bullpen gets redone except of course Mariano. #9 Resign Matsui. He wants to stay, George wants him to market YES in Japan. Deal gets done.   

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Death Metal Moe

10-11-2005, 04:42 PM

CHA-CHING!!!SPEND SPEND SPEND!!!!!  BUY US ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

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samnyc

10-11-2005, 04:42 PM

it wouldn't bother me if they let matsui go.  sometimes he doesn't even both to swing at a perfect pitch.  drives me nuts.  his pants are too tight around his crotch and it has to be uncomfortable.

Bulldogcakes

10-11-2005, 04:46 PM

quote:CHA-CHING!!!SPEND SPEND SPEND!!!!! BUY US ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

We spent 200 mil this year, where's our championship? Not that simple Moe. 

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 04:46 PM

I love how BDC just says sign him and sign him as if they would be the
only team with a check book. Also, no one is gonna take pavano unless
you guys rape yourselves, and i dont see that happening. How bout you
guys maybe try to cut money and win the right way. 

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HBox

10-11-2005, 04:48 PM

Cashman wants to leave. He's been miserable. I
don't think there's anyway he's back even if Steinbrenner gives him
truckloads of cash, which he won't. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-11-2005, 04:49 PM

quote:
I love how BDC just says sign him and sign him as if they would be the
only team with a check book. Also, no one is gonna take pavano unless
you guys rape yourselves, and i dont see that happening.  
Right. Everybody's untradable. He was only the #1 Free agent pitcher last year, now nobody wants him. Jeff Weaver was untradableJose Contreres was untradable Javier Vasquez was untradable All were traded. Try again.  quote:How bout you
guys maybe try to cut money and win the right way.   Quite a charge coming from a BOSOX ($120 mil payroll #2 in Baseball) fan 

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HBox

10-11-2005, 04:50 PM

I want to give Pavano another chance, I have a
feeling he was pitching with that injury all season. 

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 04:52 PM

how about you learn to read, stupid. I said you arent gettin rid of
Pavano unless you rape yourselves, like you did on most of those other
trades. Pavano is way over paid, was hurt most of the year and did
nothing when he wasnt. Good luck tryin to get rid of him, have fun with
whatever 20 million dollar contract you have to take on. 

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HBox

10-11-2005, 04:53 PM

The "right way" of winning a championship is making
the playoffs after a 162-game season, winning the division series,
winning the Championship series, and then winning the World Series,
PERIOD. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-11-2005, 04:54 PM

I said you arent gettin rid
of Pavano unless you rape yourselves, like you did on most of those
other trades. Pavano is way over paid, was hurt most of the year and
did nothing when he wasnt. Good luck tryin to get rid of him, have fun
with whatever 20 million dollar contract you have to take on.We'll see.

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 04:55 PM

How bout you guys maybe try to cut money and win the right way.
 
 
Quite a charge coming from a BOSOX $120 mil fan 

 thats 86 million less than you, you dont
see how even the Sox can mock you. And the sox still dont do half the
shit you do. They non tendered ortiz, they filled needs with guys like
Milar and them. Mueller isnt high priced, Nixon and Varitek are lifers,
Manny was picked up to be the franchise. All they did for 04 was
basically add some pitching. 05 they added pitching and Renteria, which
hasnt worked out. They dont just go try to sign everybody and then
figure it all out later. Dont even try to make the comparison.  

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 04:56 PM

Plus most of the money the sox spent recently was cause they had no
choice but to spend something to keep up with you, which realistically
they still dont, but play just as well. Figure that out 

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Bulldogcakes

10-11-2005, 04:57 PM

Yeah, right. You and the Kansas City Royals just cant compete. BTW
Who won the WS in 2003? Oh thats right the bottom 1/3 payroll Marlins.
Just cant compete with the big bad Yanks. OH, thats right they beat the
Yanks. Nevermind.  

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Bulldogcakes

10-11-2005, 04:58 PM

quote:Plus most of the money the sox spent recently was cause they had no
choice but to spend something to keep up with you, which realistically
they still dont, but play just as well. Figure that out 

 
WAAHHHHH!!! THE YANKEES MADE ME SPEND THE MONEY WAAAHHHH!!!!!

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 04:59 PM

I didnt say they cant compete, i said keep up. Do you know anything
about baseball outside of the bronx? They would have riots in Boston if
they tried to go against you with a 60 million dollar payroll. You guys
went nuts with the money, the boston fans got pissed, and they had to
start spending. Why dont you get a fuckin clue about things before you
bother me again. Man I wish you woulda been a man of your word and
stayed gone from this board. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-11-2005, 05:01 PM

What can I say, I missed these stimulating conversation with people who
start out calling people idiots before they've made a single point
themselves. IF
we BUY our Championships, where is it? We spent more than anyone this
year. Cant have it both ways. Either you can plug in $$ and get
results, or its not that simple.You Bosox were #2 in spending this year. You guys got swept. Money's only one of many factors.   

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 05:07 PM

Nobody said you buy championships. You just go about your team
wrong. And if you bothered to read, i called you stupid, and it was
after i made points, and have you made a couple bad ones. You
basically said fired 2 coaches, and trade 1 player, and then sign the 3
most expensive big names available. You dont see how stupid that makes
you look? THATS WHAT YOU HAVE DONE THE LAST 5 YEARS. How bout you sign
some team guys, guys who won for you, the Paul ONiel and Scott Brosius
type guys. THATS why you are stupid. The sox spent money on needs and
guys who make the team better, and werent nearly the best option at the
time. No one even gave a fuck about Millar, but he was huge for the
sox. You know NOTHING. 

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 05:10 PM

Here is just 1 point that will show you how retarded you are. SIGN
PAUL KONERKO. Why, so you have 2 1b that make a comined 35 million
dollars a year? FUCKIN ASS, you cant just go get everyone, Im tryin to
make you realize that.  

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HBox

10-11-2005, 05:16 PM

The Yankees aren't likely to get Hunter. It's not a
sure thing he'll be traded, if he will be there will be plenty of teams
interested (Red Sox?) and he's not the type of player I think is worth
trading big time prospects. Jacque Jones is a more likely acquisition
since he's a free agent, and I unfortunately think that's who they'll
get, if anyone. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-11-2005, 05:18 PM

Actually, the only thing stopping the Yanks from signing free agents
is if they just dont want to play here. Like a Greg Maddux way back
when. Between the YES network, the 4 mil attendance, and George's
willingness to spend it, there's no one they cant afford. If the guy
doesn't want to play here, thats cool. I dont want anyone who needs his
arm twisted. And weve all seen guys fall flat on their face here. Its
not just the big name guys. Torii Hunter's not a big name. He's great
defensively. Which is how you build a solid team, defense up the
middle.  

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 05:19 PM

Paul Konerko? 

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 05:21 PM

Plus you wanna sign a guy like BJ Ryan for 10 mill a year when you have
Mo. Ryan will not sign to go set up, and with the middle relief
problems you have, BJ Ryan is the stupidest signing you can make. 

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HBox

10-11-2005, 05:26 PM

People said the same thing about Gordon. BJ Ryan
would be a good signing since Gordon is a free agent, as long as they
add some more depth to the middle relief. If Small will be in the
bullpen next year, that's already one. 

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 05:28 PM

BJ Ryan is gonna be wayyyy to expensive. He wants Wagner money,
thats the problem i have with the yankees. They will basically waste
money of stuff they dont really need first cause they will need it
eventually. Thats why guys get mad and then dont play like they should.
Plus the team has to listen to fans scream about getting
everyone, and they have no choice but to try to please fans, since
thats who pays them.  

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10-11-2005, 05:28 PM

Now you're lost, son. BJ Ryan would be a great addition to any team.
And if you dont think the Yanks NEED bullpen help, you're not paying
attention. If you have to pay him closer $ fine. If he doesn't want to
pitch here,
fine. There are some other good leftys on the market. Plus, I also
think the trade market will be active this year, so its not just free
agentsBTW- Torii Hunter is someone the Yanks had talks with the
Twins about trading during the season. He makes 8 mil this year, so
he's their #2 guy on the payroll behind Radke. And the twins throw
around nickels like manhole covers, and always have. But he's not a free agent. 


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HBox

10-11-2005, 05:30 PM

Now that i think about it, I hope Piniella does
replace Torre. Teams react when you go from a "player's" coach to a
real hard ass. I've seen the way the coaching changes affect the Devils
in the NHL. Lamoriello really knows when its time to change directions
coaching wise. I know it two different sports, but the team mentality I
think is very similar and I think the Yanks would react well to
Piniella being manager. I doubt it's gonna happen,
though. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-11-2005, 05:33 PM

I dont love Pinella, but he WHIP THEIR ASS this year with inferior
talent. And Torre has NEVER had killer instinct. DIdn't go for the Home
field, this year, didn't drop down a bunt on one legged Schilling last
year., etc etc. Pinella is all about killer instinct. And he wants the
job and another ring, bad. 

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TheMojoPin

10-11-2005, 05:34 PM

I wanted to see Lou replace Baker in Chicago, too, but we're stuck with the same goddamn coaching staff in '06.  The only downside to Lou is that he's very "anti-rookie" and goes with a veteran uber alles (a la Dusty Baker), though that doesn't seem to be a problem with the Yankees.  The other thing to question is that he might be TOO hard...you want a tough coach, but not one who can inspire open rebellion and rage like Lou that's negative to team performance and morale.

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10-11-2005, 05:34 PM

[color=navy]I don't understand your reasoning, Snoogs. Where
would the Yanks be without Gordon in their bullpen? Their bullpen would
be absolute shit. BJ Ryan would only be replacing him. Gordon got
closer money when he signed with the Yanks. 

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 05:36 PM

Now you're lost, son. BJ
Ryan would be a great addition to any team. And if you dont think the
Yanks NEED bullpen help, you're not paying attentionyea,
he would be a great addition, but no, the yankees dont need ryan. They
need relief help. They dont need to spend all that time and money
courting a guy who wont be happy with his role on the team. You guys
havent won cause the teams dont mesh like they used to. What you wanna
do is gonna make that a bigger problem. forget it, BDC is hopeless. Im
outta this thread, someone PM me when pussy boy leaves the board again. 


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Bulldogcakes

10-11-2005, 05:38 PM

He's had nothing but rookies in Tampa Mojo, so I dont know where you're going with that. When
you change coaches, you generally go with the opposite of the one you
had. Torre's a players coach. Pinella's a hard ass. I think they NEED a
hard ass right around now. Not to say you let things get
ugly with Joe. Do the right thing, leave on good terms. Even let him
"Step down" if he wants to, and buy him out of his deal. Or move him
upstairs if he wants to be the next GM. But I dont think he wants to
get closer to George's wrath, so I doubt the GM. 

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 05:40 PM

I
don't understand your reasoning, Snoogs. Where would the Yanks be
without Gordon in their bullpen? Their bullpen would be absolute shit.
BJ Ryan would only be replacing him. Gordon got closer money when he
signed with the Yanks. Cause
BJ Ryan is not a set up man. He is a closer. He doesn't wanna set up,
but guys go for money figuring he will deal. So you overpay to get him
since he wont go for the same money to set up. Then in may, he is
pissed and regrets it, wants out to go close somewhere. Next thing you
know, he is pitching like shit. I just dont see Ryan being a good fit.
Why not just go get Wagner if you wanna spend that much on 1 relief
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10-11-2005, 05:40 PM

quote:I don't understand your reasoning, Snoogs. reasoning, Snoogs. reasoning, Snoogs. reasoning, Snoogs. reasoning, Snoogs. reasoning, Snoogs. reasoning, Snoogs. Still doesn't register reasoning, Snoogs. reasoning, Snoogs. reasoning, Snoogs. reasoning, Snoogs. reasoning, Snoogs. Nope, cant get my brain around those two words 

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Tall_James

10-11-2005, 05:42 PM

I think the Yankees should sign Kevin Millar. Please.  Just get him the fuck out of Boston ASAP.

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 05:45 PM

Hey, BDC, how about you grow up. see this is why i hate you. In all the
insults i throw, i still drop in my points. You just dont get it, and
rather than believing that someone else may be right, you just get
personal. You even posted once how much you love fighting with me, so
move on, talk to someone else. Im having a discussion with HBox now.
Until you realize how retarded some of the shit you said is, leave me
alone from now on. When you admit that paul konerko is the dumbest
thing you ever said, then ill talk to you again 

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10-11-2005, 05:49 PM

Gordon didn't have a problem setting up. And for BJ
Ryan there is the incentive that he will eventually close. Rivera only
has 2 years left, 3 tops, IMO. You can lock him up long term, he's
younger than Wagner, and not only is the set up problem fixed, the
successor to Rivera problem is fixed. 

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 05:52 PM

yea but what im sayin is what happens in those 2 years. Ryan has come
off like somewhat of a ME ME guy, and I have a feeling he would jump at
the money, but then be all unhappy half way through next season. Then
you have mo and a set up man who is pitching like shit cause he isnt
happy. I dont see him being a good fit. Thats not just you, I wouldnt
want him on the Sox right now with some of the shit ive heard and some
of the young guys we will have coming up. 

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10-11-2005, 05:52 PM

how about you learn to read, stupid.Do you know anything about baseball outside of the bronx?Why dont you get a fuckin
clue about things before you bother me again. Man I wish you woulda
been a man of your word and stayed gone from this board. ou dont see how stupid that makes you look?THATS why you are stupid.
The sox spent money on needs and guys who make the team better, and
werent nearly the best option at the time. No one even gave a fuck
about Millar, but he was huge for the sox. You know NOTHING. Here is just 1 point that will show you how retarded you are. FUCKIN ASSBJ Ryan is the stupidest signing you can make. BDC is hopeless. Im outta this thread, someone PM me when pussy boy leaves the board again.
Hey, BDC, how about you grow up. see this is why i hate you  I'm getting personal. 


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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 05:55 PM

In all the insults i throw, i still drop in my points I know im right about the first one. And alot of those are points, like questioning your baseball knowledge.  

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WRESTLINGFAN

10-11-2005, 06:11 PM

If Torre does go I can see Piniella or even Larry Bowa being the skipper. They arent like Torre who wants to be everyones friend. Hearing Bowa on R&F last week he knows the game of baseball

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10-11-2005, 06:11 PM

IF you're points are so good, why do you need to resort to insults?
Mojo and H-box make consistently well informed posts, with hardly an
insult to be found.Believe it or not, you can disagree with someone with insulting them too.  And if you think I'm some kid that started
watching the Yanks in 96, you're lost. Maybe you're friends are
all 21 year old Yankee fans. Some of us picked them up in 77. 


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10-11-2005, 06:15 PM

quote:If
Torre does go I can see Piniella or even Larry Bowa being the skipper.
They arent like Torre who wants to be everyones friend. Hearing Bowa on
R&F last week he knows the game of baseball 
 He does, but its
really far and away Pinella. With MAYBE Bobby Valentine as a longshot
backup plan. But if it comes down to Valentine (who I always liked and
would have no problem with) I'd see George keeping Torre. More marquee
value, and this is a big time entertainment business.   <blockquote />

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 06:22 PM

IF you're points are so good, why do you need to resort to insults? thats a fair question, that part falls into where I dont like you.  

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10-11-2005, 06:23 PM

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10-11-2005, 06:31 PM

From
ESPN's Bob Klapisch (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2005/columns/story?columnist=klapisch_bob&id=2187879) Klapisch is usually very solid on the Yanks . Owner George Steinbrenner was already in an ugly mood after a 5-2
loss in Game 3, after which he was overheard telling a Stadium
employee, "It's over for some people."

The Boss didn't clarify what hit list he was talking about, but changes are clearly coming. 
The Yankees are already leaning towards free agent <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6294">B.J. Ryan</a> as a setup man, and the interest is apparently mutual. The other bullpen peripherals -- <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7237">Scott Proctor</a> and <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4958">Alan Embree</a> -- are history 

That leaves Torre, who has two years and $13.1 million coming to him.
He's said he would wait until the end of the season to comment on
Steinbrenner's constant tweaking and the Tampa-based second-guessing
that hounded him all year. Now everyone's curious what Torre will
actually say.

It's highly unlikely that Torre will resign, but the gulf
between him and the Boss has never been wider. With a startling early
exit from the playoffs, the struggle between owner and manager will be
worth watching during another World Series-less winter in New York.

 

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Snoogans

10-11-2005, 06:37 PM

that ill give you, Klapish is usually very solid on everything. And he isnt a terrible ball player either 

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HBox

10-11-2005, 06:41 PM

If they sign Damon I'll fucking revolt. It's
almost like they are pushing the rewind button on Bernie to one or two
years before he started to decline. You don't need a huge fucking bat
in CF, just a good defensive guy with some speed. If they can get Juan
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10-11-2005, 06:45 PM

cano for cameron?

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10-11-2005, 06:46 PM

How about Bubba Crosby for David Wright? 

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10-11-2005, 07:02 PM

quote:If they sign Damon I'll fucking revolt. 
 Amen.
A good defensive CF can cover for two lesser corner OF's. And Damon's
average or less defensively. If anyone in Tampa was paying attention,
these playoffs were lost on key bad defensive plays. Bubba and Shef
last night, 3 plays by Cano. They have plenty of hitting. I actually think they feel he wants to stay in Boston, and they're just jacking up the price for them.And the Yanks are smart. Alot of the deals they REALLY want they dont tell anyone about, to avoid a bidding war. 

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TheMojoPin

10-11-2005, 08:04 PM

He's had nothing but rookies in Tampa Mojo, so I dont know where you're going with that.Well, yeah.  He had no choice.  But if you look at his overall coaching history, he favors the veterans whenever possible.  That's not always a good choice, but like I said, the Yanks haven't been very rookie-heavy in recent seasons.  If they're keeping up that kind of team next year, he might be a pretty good fit.  I want to see the Cubs start picking up younger players or pushing the farm kids, so I've been leaning away from him, even though he was whoring for Baker's job hard tonight doing commentary for the Angels/Sox game.

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10-11-2005, 08:08 PM

quote: If they sign Damon I'll fucking revolt. It's almost like they are pushing the rewind button on Bernie to one or two years before he started to decline. You don't need a huge fucking bat in CF, just a good defensive guy with some speed. If they can get Juan Pierre in a trade for a reasonable price I'm there. <img src="http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7449/georgesig0mm.jpg" border="0" /> You'd be better off with Damon.  Pierre is alternately comparable or worse than Damon when it comes to defense...the only upside is that he's faster/.  Damon would give you the same fielding and much more consistent hitting. 

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spoon

10-11-2005, 08:19 PM

You're right, the Yankees never overpay for their signings!  Go lookup 9 of their last 10 free agent signings.  And your Marlins argument is pathetic.  Of course you can't flat out buy a championship, but it sure as hell gives you much better odds.  It takes soooo many things to go right for a small market team to get far, let alone make the playoffs.  And if you play in the AL East and don't spend, forget about even making it.  It's no coincidence that the Sox and Yanks have owned the East of late.  Even Snoogans will admit to that.  It's Yankee fans like you that don't at least admit/realize (whichever) that money plays a huge role in this.  If you truly believe money doesn't tie in every year, let's see the Yanks simply play out their current contracts only moving people already in the organization.  No chance, bc they'd be done without pitching (mostly bullpen) and fielding changes.  Unfortunately BDC is right in that they surely will go out and sign a few more big names for the ass George.  The likes of Cashman, George and Torre aren't the baseball geniuses that many labeled them after the last Yankee run.  They simply sign the best players (to a fault) over and over year after year.  Hence taking them from their rivals, keeping them from their competitors and continuing this trend up until the waiver deadline every single year.  The late additions have covered up "Met-like" diaster signings during the off season many times of late.  Most teams can't even make these moves during the offseason.  The balance of power is a joke in MLB.  The league is broke and George led the way.  Yet since he's myopic, it doesn't bother him one bit.  Plus I'm quite sure the Yankees couldn't even come close to winning without being this system in place.  If the league did implement a change, they surely would be sunk.  The same can't be said for the NJ Devils in hockey.  They have a great system in place and won the right way from day one.  Yet hockey is different since it's a true team game and muckers and grinders have a much bigger impact on hockey.  Without heart, hockey teams go nowhere.  The Yankees prove the opposite in baseball.  Almost forgot, BDC's an idiot.  Just in case he didn't get my points.  I hear arguments are worthless without insult!

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10-11-2005, 08:26 PM

Pierre can cover more ground than Damon, has had 3
200-hit seasons in his career, is faster, a better bunter and doesn't
strike out often. The only way they are similar defensively is that
they both have weak arms. The Yanks don't need an offensive force in
CF, and any money spent to do that would be better spent elsewhere.
Pierre would shore up the outfield defense, making up for the
shortcomings of Sheffield and Matsui. Most importantly, the Yanks can
give Pierre a long term deal and not have to expect him to crap the bed
the last 1-2 years of the contract, like they would if signing
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Tenbatsuzen

10-11-2005, 08:36 PM

Dumb question...If Girardi gets a managerial gig, does this open the door for Bernie to transition to being a coach? 

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10-11-2005, 08:39 PM

it might open a door to a yankee fan mass suicide 

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10-11-2005, 09:43 PM

Maybe Bernie can teach everyone how to miss hit and run signs. 

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10-12-2005, 02:12 AM

quote:Dumb question...If Girardi gets a managerial gig, does this open the door for Bernie to transition to being a coach? 

 He still wants to play, though he doesn't have alot left. I'm
not writing Bernie off completely yet. If he's willing to take alot
less money than he made this year (14 mil) and be a backup CF, George might sign him. He'll see what
the market is for him, then if he calls George (like he did last
time) and tells him "I want to retire as a Yankee" I think he'll go for
it. George is known for being very generous to his ex-players. I
hope Girardi doesn't get the Fla gig. I'd like to groom him to be a
future Yankee manager. But if Torre goes, I'm sure Lou will want his
own guys, which he's entitled to. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-12-2005, 02:34 AM

quote:Pierre can cover more ground than Damon, has had 3
200-hit seasons in his career, is faster, a better bunter and doesn't
strike out often. The only way they are similar defensively is that
they both have weak arms. The Yanks don't need an offensive force in
CF, and any money spent to do that would be better spent elsewhere.
Pierre would shore up the outfield defense, making up for the
shortcomings of Sheffield and Matsui. Most importantly, the Yanks can
give Pierre a long term deal and not have to expect him to crap the bed
the last 1-2 years of the contract, like they would if signing
Damon. 
 Yeah, and they have
coveted Pierre since the 2003 series. Good hitter, steals bases, covers
a ton of ground in CF. I think he's plan B, and one you can live with.
Changes the lineup too. Jeter moves to #2 etc. His
bat might be a little better than Torrii Hunters since his OBP is
higher and he makes ALOT more contact. Hunter has more power, and is
great defensively. But you never know if you can swing a trade, so
Pierre may be more likely.   I really dont see them going for Damon. Unless all else fails, then you need someone. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-12-2005, 03:07 AM

quote:cano for cameron?  No, you Mets need Cameron so you can trade for Manny in the off season this year.  And
I think this is the year he goes. It would have been real tough not to
bring him back after the Championship, but were a year removed from
that. And the front office has LONG wanted to free up that money, which
was a signing from before they bought the team. I think the Bosox make
big changes this year too. Some of it bringing up rookies, some
signings and some trades. New look team in Boston for 06. 


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Knowledged_one

10-12-2005, 04:23 AM

Im absolutely stunned by BDC lack of baseball knoweldge even though Snoogans i think he is right about BJ Ryan.Ryan will sign with the Yanks, with the knowledge he will set him up at first then move to the closer role, and i say that as an orioles fan, he is out of baltimore and his last quote was he wasn't sticking around to lose he wants to win....so other then maybe St. Louis (who i know already has Izzy) would be the winning teams that would want him unless he likes some chowdah in Boston............Now to the idiocy, what team on Earth would trade for a package deal of Jarret Wright and Carl Pavano?  What team would take them without the Yankees eating probably 75-85% of the deal.  Maybe you and Wadd can get together and apply for the GM job if Cashman is gone.  I mean you guys think its big name guy lets go get him.  You want pitching but say you need to make room for Wang ( I agree) and Chacon ( a journeyman from the Rockies) with Randy Johnson signed and Mussina that is 4 guys from the rotation of 5.  And they still have Wright and Pavano for 2 and 3 years respectively.  For gods sakes man think before you type.

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10-12-2005, 05:58 AM

quote:  I really dont see them going for Damon. Unless all else fails, then you need someone. <img src="http://home.comcast.net/%7Ebob80/RFnetBulldogcakes3.jpg" border="0" /> Forget about Damon, he's already said he doesn't want to play in NY...and more importantly, we don't want him.

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10-12-2005, 06:12 AM

We - are you a member of the Yankees.  Cause if not then it would be "they" dont want him

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TheMojoPin

10-12-2005, 07:14 AM

Im absolutely stunned by BDC lack of baseball knoweldgeJesus Christ, you and Snoogans need to get over yourselves.  We ALL sound like chuckleheaded armchair managers.  Quit acting like you're the fucking pope of baseball.

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10-12-2005, 07:24 AM

Oh now we are back to the mojo to the rescue huh, i thought things had gone past this.1.  Don't pick out one statement that i make and then fail to also put that in the next sentence that i think he is right about BJ Ryan but you know why bother with the whole post when you can post a snipit.2.  And i don't think i am the pope, but i also know lunacy and stupid never happen dealsLike the Giambi and Womack for Clemens deals that were touted by members of this boardand now Jaret Wright and Pavano two guys who had arm troubles will be traded give me a breakReally, Bulldogs is a big boy and can handle his own battles just fine i don't think he needs you to be his knight in shining armor

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TheMojoPin

10-12-2005, 07:28 AM

Right, I'm sure he enjoys guys like you and Spoon and Snoogans obsessively picking over nearly every post he has in Yankees or baseball-related threads.  You guys tend to respond like he kicked your moms in the balls just because he's talking about his team and you disagree with him.

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10-12-2005, 07:32 AM

Sorry my bad you are right, i am wrongYou are king i am peasentYou are the best i am the worstYou know all i know nothing

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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 08:07 AM

You guys tend to respond
like he kicked your moms in the balls just because he's talking about
his team and you disagree with him.In fairness Mojo, i do it because this BDC dickhead actually said once that he likes to pick fights with me. So i just hate him. And
KO, i understand that Ryan will prob go to NY. Im not doubting that or
his talent. I just think it'll end up bad. He will sign to set up and
move in, but i think he will get unhappy faster than he moves into the
closer roll. That, if anyone bothered to read, is the reason I wouldnt
sign him. Its him, and the things Ive heard about his personallity 

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10-12-2005, 08:51 AM

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10-12-2005, 09:29 AM

That's "we" as in the fans.  Considering the moves "they" made last off season, I don't give a fuck what "they" want, therefore I speak in terms of "we."  So eat me.  -  Oh so you speak for the fans of NY sorry my bad i wasnt aware of thatMojo where is your hark to battle to protect me

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10-12-2005, 09:40 AM

Id rather Crippler and HBox speak for their fans then most of their other fans 

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10-12-2005, 10:23 AM

quote: Oh so you speak for the fans of NY sorry my bad i wasnt aware of that   Yes...yes I do.  It's an unofficially title, but one I wear proudly.

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10-12-2005, 10:25 AM

Plus, you finally got your gold, Crips 

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10-12-2005, 10:29 AM

True dat.  I've held singles gold before, but those damn tag straps had eluded me forever, until you decided I was just too imposing for you to even show up for the match.  Wise choice.edit:  So as not to derail...GO YANKEES!<img src="http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/71172486.jpg" border="0" /><img src="http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/93558379.jpg" border="0" /> <img src="http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/93558379.jpg" border="0" /> <img src="http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/93558379.jpg" border="0" /> <img src="http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/93558379.jpg" border="0" /> <img src="http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/93558379.jpg" border="0" />

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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 10:30 AM

Just for that, FLAIR CHOPS at the next poker game 

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Crippler

10-12-2005, 10:32 AM

You realize you'll only hurt yourself again, right?ps: Go Yankees!  You know, next year.

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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 10:36 AM

I think i did it wrong, thats why. Plus i just wanted to hit that stupid Yankee logo 

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JerryTaker

10-12-2005, 01:30 PM

I'm so glad I don't interact with you people anymore, this place really has become one big circle jerk... 

 
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Bulldogcakes

10-12-2005, 01:31 PM

quote: quote:Im absolutely stunned by BDC lack of baseball knoweldge Jesus
Christ, you and Snoogans need to get over yourselves. We ALL sound like
chuckleheaded armchair managers. Quit acting like you're the fucking
pope of baseball.

  Thanks Mojo, but I've yet to bashed by a Yankee fan, so I consider the source.  And
again, anyone who's unable to disagree with someone without resorting
to insults and name calling isn't worth debating with.  

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Bulldogcakes

10-12-2005, 01:35 PM

quote:I'm so glad I don't interact with you people anymore, this place really has become one big circle jerk..
 No one can ever
tell me the Yankees are "Bad For Baseball" as the payroll obsessed try
to do. No other team thread draws so much interest, in particular from
NON YANKEE FANS. Its amazing to me how 9 of 10 posts on a page in this
and other Yankee threads are by Yankee haters. 

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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 01:35 PM

And again, anyone who's
unable to disagree with someone without resorting to insults and name
calling isn't worth debating with.   this
is the misconception, BDC. Its not that we cant, we just dont want to.
It makes it more fun to say you dont need another 1b, dickhead, then to
say you dont need another 1b. Thats all 

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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 01:37 PM

Its amazing to me how 9 of 10 posts on a page in this and other Yankee threads are by Yankee haters.  thats
only cause, to yankee fans, anyone who isnt one is a yankee hater. I
HATE EVERY TEAM I DONT ROOT FOR. It makes me laugh to see the Mets or
the Rays or the royals. I dont want anyone to do good except boston and
atlanta. And niether one was worth shit this year. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-12-2005, 01:38 PM

Snoogans, I'd love for you to dig up that post where I told you I like to fight with you. Because I dont remember it. Maybe a different "Dog" poster?Death Metal Mastiff?Mikey Beagle? Mojo Pooch? Alice Fuzzy Mutt?  

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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 01:48 PM

i think it was in the favorite posters thread. You said something about
liking me cause you always like a good fight, and i always seem to be
willing. At the time it kinda annoyed me cause i dont actually like to
fight, i just try to make things funny and people get offended. So once
i saw you like fighting, i realized why we always did. Im pretty sure
it was that thread, i know you said it, and i know you didnt mean to
fight of hate, but outta fun. I just only like fighting when it leads
to it naturally 

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TheMojoPin

10-12-2005, 01:59 PM

Now now, children.  Be nice or you'll be forced to watch ESPN 2 early morning programming for 8 days straight.

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10-12-2005, 02:00 PM

Now I think I remember it, but I'd have to go back and read it. But like you said I probably meant it in fun. 
I thought you were gonna say it was something I said in your
"Name calling" thread. But that was the whole point of that thread to
piss all over each other.  

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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 02:01 PM

actually, for once, we are being quite civil. Maybe you should watch 8 hours of hooked oh phonics so you could read it COLD PIZZA SUCKS 

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Bulldogcakes

10-12-2005, 02:01 PM

quote:Now now, children. Be nice or you'll be forced to watch ESPN 2 early morning programming for 8 days straight.

 NOT FLY FISHING SHOW!!! ANYTHING BUT THE FLY FISHING SHOW!!!! 

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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 02:02 PM

I thought you were gonna
say it was something I said in your "Name calling" thread. But that was
the whole point of that thread to piss all over each other. no, i didnt take seriously anything in there.  

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Bulldogcakes

10-12-2005, 02:07 PM

Anyway, back on topic. Mike and the Dog today said the Yanks have said Torre will not be addressing the media till next week. Now
that might not sound unusual, unless you're fimiliar with how Torre
operates. The media loves him because he ALWAYS gives them TONS of
access. Nothing like this has happened before, outside of his annual
vacation to Hawaii. He gives pre and post game interviews, weekly half
hour radio spots, dugout interviews during playoff games. He's always
addressed the end of the season within a day or two. Could be nothing, or he and George could be working out an arrangement. But it is unusual.  

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Bulldogcakes

10-12-2005, 03:01 PM

quote: you dont need another 1b. 
 I really should
address this, because I know what you mean. George used to get players
just to keep them off other teams sometime. But you probably didn't see
Giambi much outside of the Yanks/Bosox games (all 19 of them). He
has a chronic knee problem, and he was never great defensively to begin
with. He's at a point where he literally cant make a decent throw to
second or home plate. He's become a full time DH/part time 1B, not the
other way around. Plus that should extend his career some, and he's got
3 years left on his deal. 
He's our Ortiz. Cant hide him anywhere on the field, but can win you games with his bat. He's a DH. So we could use a good first baseman. 

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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 03:06 PM

that wasnt the point. the point is giambi gets almost 20 million a
year, you cant afford another 15 million dollar guy at the same spot.
Its just stupid and greedy. You fucked up on Giambi, now you gotta deal
with it. otherwise, you are just the knicks 

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Bulldogcakes

10-12-2005, 03:16 PM

I'd like to say "Its not my money" but I actually have a partial season
ticket plan. So it is, sort of. But the Yanks are shedding about 50 mil
in expiring contracts, so they have money to spend. Plus they broke 4
mil in attendance this year (a record) and you know George is always
willing to spend. And he doesn't shop at K-Mart. I look at it as 18 mil
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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 03:27 PM

it doesnt matter, thats why people get annoyed. No team would do
that except the yankees. Ahh, who cares, lets just spend it and have 35
other. And then sign ryan and have 25 other, and then sign 3 more guys
and now its higher than last year? You dont get why other clubs get mad
at that, shit even the red sox cant afford to do that. Thats why Millar
and or olerud played first. We cant afford 40 million for 2 1b.and dont argue ortiz, he doesnt make NEAR as much as what half your team makes 

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10-12-2005, 03:40 PM

With Ortiz/Giambi I mean as a player, not the contracts. Niether can play the field. 
BTW- Ortiz might be the most underpaid player in Baseball 

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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 03:41 PM

and he signed that deal AFTER 04 when he coulda left and got like 14 

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10-12-2005, 04:47 PM

Pinella tried as hard as he could to NOT scream "PLEASE HIRE ME GEORGE!"<a href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="window.open('http://wfan.com/homepage/local_audioclip_285171011.html','','width=510,heig ht=300,toolbar=no,resizable=yes')">October
12th - Mike and Chris talked to Former Devil Rays Manager and Current
Fox Broadcaster Lou Piniella about the Yankees and the MLB Playoffs</a>He
refers to George as "Mr Steinbrenner". People who work for George
and/or are loyal to him use that term. The Media and the rest of us
call him "George". That says something to me. Also was very political
and/or stumbling in his answers. "I just want to relax, and if an offer
comes my way I'll look at it then" All day getting
mixed messages from Yankeeland. Suzyn Waldman, Madden, Murcer all think
he's staying, but are quick to add they really dont know. Steinbrenner
has been fed up with Torre for a while now, but the first thing you'd
say is "Who's his replacement?" Thats really no longer a
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Knowledged_one

10-12-2005, 07:03 PM

What the fuck stupid mojo doesnt he know anything i swear we have idiots for modsI mean how can you put down ESPN 2 morning programming - don't they have Cold Pizza with Woody Paige man i swear people in New York dont know a thingJust kidding i dont hate anyone but saintmickey nowPS Yankees suck and i want to urinate on monument park

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10-12-2005, 07:40 PM

i'm no yankee fan and i listen to alot of talk radio. everyone is saying what a great manager torre is and how nobody doesnt like him. i don't like him. i look at it like this, if i invest over 200 mil on a team of allstars i damn well expect to make it to the world series. i mean is there anyone else out there in agreement with me? because i haven't heard 1 person call up espn or the fan and say he should go.i also don't think its a coincidence that he sucked everywhere else he managed but you give him a team such as the yankees, all of a sudden he's a baseball genius?

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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 07:42 PM

ive already said i think torre should be gone. First response in this
thread, he made some awful defensive, line up, and all around game
choices. He seemed to manage expecting that the big bats would just win
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HBox

10-12-2005, 07:45 PM

Just spending shitloads of money on the player
doesn't make him good. I think it's pretty clear that the way thgis
team was put together is the problem. I can't point to any bad move
that Torre made in the playoffs that cost them anything, and I've been
critical of hell of him this season. But as the season went on he got
better and better. There are problems with this team, and Torre is a
very minor problem, if a problem at all. If there is a managerial
change it will be to shake things up and send a message to the players,
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Snoogans

10-12-2005, 07:47 PM

Crosby in center instead of Bernie fucked you pretty bad, H. Also, some
of the lineups were stupid. ARod hitting 2? he got a little power
confident, like francona did ALL FUCKIN YEAR 

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HBox

10-12-2005, 07:56 PM

Crosby has tons more range than Bernie. Bernie
wouldn't have collided with Sheffield because Bernie wouldn't have
gotten anywhere near that ball. Nobody would have started Bernie
because they were counting on his lack of range to help in that very
odd situation. It was a question of either having Tino's bat in the
lineup or Crosby's glove in center. That's an obvious
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Bulldogcakes

10-13-2005, 03:28 AM

quote:i
mean is there anyone else out there in agreement with me? because i
haven't heard 1 person call up espn or the fan and say he should go. I did. And the next 10 callers called up saying they thought I was nuts. Mike
and the Dog have been very careful about it, because like me and
everyone alse they love Joe. But they've said things like "I dont want
to get out ahead of this" "Nobody has a job for life" So they can sense
something might be up. I dont think Torre's been the same
since (believe it or not) Zim left. Zimmer's very aggressive, and the
two of them made a good team. Since he's gone, the team just doesn't
play opportunistic Baseball anymore. They're like Joe, they sit back
and wait for something to happen and if it doesn't, oh well. The team
itself is different, no doubt about it. But somethings missing. Let
me be clear about this, I dont want Joe fired. THere's otherways to do
this. He's a beloved Yankee and I hope to see him at old Timers day for
the next 20 years. But I just think its time. Let George buy him out
and the two should hold a press conference where Joe can say "I'm
tired, I want to go" so the fans who love him will feel better about it. 
 If I'm George I ask myself one question. "Who gives me a better chance to win NEXT YEAR? -Pinella ATE JOE'S LUNCH with inferior talent in Tampa this year. -The
Yanks took the whole month of April off, played like shit and players
were saying "Its early, who cares" then had to SCRAMBLE to make the
playoffs in September. This for a team everyone picked to wim 105 games
out of Spring training. 
-ARod said (a few times) this year the team looked "Lackadasical" 
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Bulldogcakes

10-13-2005, 03:33 AM

quote:Just spending shitloads of money on the player
doesn't make him good. I think it's pretty clear that the way thgis
team was put together is the problem. I can't point to any bad move
that Torre made in the playoffs that cost them anything, and I've been
critical of hell of him this season. But as the season went on he got
better and better. There are problems with this team, and Torre is a
very minor problem, if a problem at all. If there is a managerial
change it will be to shake things up and send a message to the players,
not because of any failings of Torre. 

 
 I agree with almost
all of that, H. He did a pretty good job this year. But its like Pat
Riley said after a while you're team just tunes you out. I dont think
they respond to him like they used to.  They need some player
moves, too. But I just think its time. 10 years is a great run, and he
was a great and beloved manager. But its time.  

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Knowledged_one

10-13-2005, 04:00 AM

I think Torre did really well for this team to make the playoffs with how many different starters, the Yankees had to have had the most different starters used in the Torre era this year.Cano should have been batting second - he makes good contactAnd i think the think Torre really missed is Don Zimmer, he needs a confidant in the clubhouse and i don't think Girardi an ex-Torre player fit that mold.  To me Torre seems stuck on an island by himself.

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JerryTaker

10-13-2005, 12:44 PM

I have the feeling that Pinella would destroy the confidence of the
young guys and the bullpen, just because of how he handles himself and
flies off the handle all the time, not that Torre did anything for the
bullpen's confidence, with his "I trust nobody but Rivera" attitude.
That said, I can't see anyone else managing the Yankees right now, but
that's just me. someone could come out of nowhere and surprise me, but
I'd be very surprised if Pinella comes on and they become any more
succesful than they are now. 

 
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10-13-2005, 01:06 PM

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10-13-2005, 02:19 PM

quote: I have the feeling that Pinella would destroy the confidence of the young guys and the bullpen, just because of how he handles himself and flies off the handle all the time, Bingo.  Lou's get a rep for misusing, mistreating or flat out ignoring young players and rookies.  If the Yanks want to just let their team get older and older, as they have been, he'd be fine.  But if they wanna rebuild with kids, Lou's not the best choice.

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10-13-2005, 02:46 PM

quote:I have the feeling that Pinella would destroy the confidence of the
young guys and the bullpen, just because of how he handles himself and
flies off the handle all the time, not that Torre did anything for the
bullpen's confidence, with his "I trust nobody but Rivera" attitude.
That said, I can't see anyone else managing the Yankees right now, but
that's just me. someone could come out of nowhere and surprise me, but
I'd be very surprised if Pinella comes on and they become any more
succesful than they are now. 


 Actually,
Pinella's had nothing but young teams with Seattle and Tampa. So I dont
think that charge sticks. (BTW-Pinella Mgr/ A-Rod /Randy Johnson sound
fimiliar?) Pinella's a guy who you HATE when he's coaching against you,
and you LOVE when he's coaching for you. He's a Billy Martin diciple in
every way. I also think Pinella would be much better with a veteran
team than with a bunch of kids making rookie mistakes all day. Plus
he's in his 60's. He's not quite as peppy as he used to be. But he is
definitely the anti-Joe. Which is what I think this team needs after 10
years. Somebody to rally the troops, enough with the "patience" stuff
Joe preaches. Were still waiting for somebody besides Jeter to step up.
And Billy Martin/Lou Pinella were VERY competitive guys. "Us against
the world" mentality. I dont think he lasts more than 3 years here.
That stuff tends to burn out quick. Plus there will probably be a good
amount of hit batsmen, brawls, front and back page quotes, and other
crazy stuff. But as a shot in the arm to a veteran team I think it
gives you a better shot to win next year. And losing streaks wont be
tolerated like they are under Joe. 


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10-13-2005, 04:26 PM

quote: Right, I'm sure he enjoys guys like you and Spoon and Snoogans obsessively picking over nearly every post he has in Yankees or baseball-related threads.  You guys tend to respond like he kicked your moms in the balls just because he's talking about his team and you disagree with him. <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> Dancing with the women at the bar... << He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."Easy Mojo.  BDC and a few others love to play the victim a little too much.  Most of our banter in these threads are just that, yet sometimes people get a little personal and then cry when someone pushs back.  As for all of us ripping the Yanks, and BDC's theory on us posting in these threads, it simply comes down to the fact that we live where we live.  Sure many of us hate them due to their idiotic fans (I won't mention names), but also for what they have done, and continue to do to MLB.  Yes there are other offenders out there, but as Snoogans stated, it is definately more reactionary.  If you truly believe the Yankees have won so much bc they just always have better systems in place, better coaching and management, or even better owners you're certainly a fool.  Oh well, I'm sick of throwing this brick at this brick wall.  Cya!

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10-13-2005, 04:46 PM

Lou had no choice but to use rookies with Tampa...he didn't have anything else!  And Seattle, it was a similar deal...and you really view his time with either team a success?  Seattle won in spite of him, but still choked when it counted.  Results-wise he's a clone of Dusty Baker...always go with the veteran when you can.  Don't chance the rookie unless you have no other choice.

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10-13-2005, 04:57 PM

Torre's the same with rookies. It took a team collapse to get Wang and Cano brought up. I
actually dont think Pinella's the same, though. He wouldn't have taken
the Tampa job if he didn't like working with rookies, no matter how
close it is to home for him. And he did win a World Series with
Cincinatti, and 116 games one year in Seattle. He's a good manager. I
also must admit I grew up watching the 78 Yanks. And that was the team
that got me hooked on Baseball. That first team you loved you always
have a connection to, and it would be so damn cool to see him come out
of the Yankee dugout (The cocky bastard that he is and always was) and
cheer him on. "Loooouuuuuu" Plus he has that Roy Cohn appeal.
You hate him when he's on the other side, but when your in trouble and
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TheMojoPin

10-13-2005, 05:02 PM

True.  I might be over-analyzing it...I tend to do that when someone is mentioned as being a candidate for running the Cubs.  I want someone in there who is essentially guarenteed results, and honestly, short of Larossa himself, I doubt anyone is going to get my Cubs to the WS any time soon.  Maybe a young guy is the way to go...new blood!Though just to bring it back to the Yankees, Zimmer is one of the most loved Cubs managers of all time, giant head and all.

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10-13-2005, 05:08 PM

Torre hasn't been the same without him. And Jeter loved that crazy old bastard to death. 

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A.J.

10-13-2005, 11:22 PM

He's a Billy Martin diciple in every way. Especially if he were to come back for a second stint as manager.  But would he?  Could he forgive Big Stein for firing him once?

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10-14-2005, 02:39 AM

He has a very good relationship with George. They're both big Florida horse
racing guys and they've actually bought horses together since then.
Plus I'm sure Pinella understands the business since he's been in it so
long. 

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Knowledged_one

10-14-2005, 05:32 AM

I don't know what the thing is with Lou Pinella:Carrer Record:  1519 - 1420 for a .517 winning percentageTaking out the dreadful Tampa Years:  .537 winning percentageHe hasn't managed in New York since 1987 do you think the media and the way things happen in New York in 87 will be the same as in 2006?  I don't think so, that guy cracked under the pressure in Tampa Bay with no expectations, now i know some of that is in relation to the chronic losing that happened.He hasn't even sniffed the playoffs and what it takes to coach there since 2001.  He couldnt get the Mariners who won 116 games by the Yankees.How does anyone think this guy is better as a coach then Joe Torre.  I think you guys are making Torre the scapegoat for what has happened, when the fault lies with Steinbrenner.  He has depleted the farm system for guys like Aaron Boone, why does no one put the blame on Steinbrenner where it belongs?

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Knowledged_one

10-14-2005, 05:40 AM

See this is the statement i don't understand:  . And he did win a World Series with Cincinatti, and 116 games one year in Seattle. He's a good manager. He won a World Series in 1990 with the small market Cincinnatti team don't you think the game has changed drastically since he won a world series?He hasn't won a playoff series since 2001, Joe Torre has won how many in that span?And lets compare the numbers of Pinella his last three years in Seattle against Torre in the same spanPinella won 300 games and Torre won 285, however Joe Torre won the head to head playoff matchups the two years the mariners made itHow on God's green earth is Lou Pinella a better manager then Torre

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JimBeam

10-14-2005, 10:36 AM

Here's the question for all those people who think Torre is a great manager :How does a great manager, such as Tore, get fired from 3 other teams ?If he was so great shouldnt he have been able to " turn around " those other teams ?Or was his " greatness " more the fact that he was fortunate enough to have taken over a team that was going to string off a bunch of WS victories ?Was Cito Gaston a great manager ? He won 2 in a row.Is he " Half-Great " since he's got 2 less WS champs than Torre ?Now belive me I know that its players for the most part that win and lose games, not the manger, but if you're gonna be called " great " then you cant have a 1 billion dollar team over the last 5 years and not win it all.

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Tall_James

10-14-2005, 10:40 AM

How does a great manager, such as Tore, get fired from 3 other teams ?Bill Belichek was fired from the Cleveland Browns and he did all right for himself too.

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10-14-2005, 10:48 AM

But dont you think " greatness " is suceeding on every level and not just when you have the best chance ?

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Bulldogcakes

10-14-2005, 03:20 PM

quote:How does a great manager, such as Tore, get fired from 3 other teams ?If he was so great shouldnt he have been able to " turn around " those other teams ?Or
was his " greatness " more the fact that he was fortunate enough to
have taken over a team that was going to string off a bunch of WS
victories ? People
will say he's great because he has 4 rings. He did nothing to put those
teams together, they were built by Stick Michael and Buck Showalter. As
those teams aged, he stopped winning championships, despite infusions
of great players. He's was a wonderful caretaker for the teams built by
Stick and Buck. But as the Caddillac got a few dents on it, he didn't
distiguish himself with his ability to drive it. 
 quote:Was Cito Gaston a great manager ? He won 2 in a row. Ouch! Point well made. quote:Now
believe me I know that its players for the most part that win and lose
games, not the manger, but if you're gonna be called " great " then you
cant have a 1 billion dollar team over the last 5 years and not win it
all. Very
true. Its not so simple to just blame the manager. ALOT goes into a
Baseball team. Player moves, injuries, Guys who cant cut it in New
York, etc. None of which he can control. But those of you who
say he cant be BLAMED for last years HISTORIC COLLAPSE to the Bosox or
this years sub par performance should also say HE GETS NO CREDIT for
the Championships. If the Manager gets the CREDIT WHEN THEY WIN, he get
the BLAME when they lose. You cant have it both ways. Either a manager
matters or he doesn't. And Torre supporters saying "He did his
BEST job this year, with all the injuries" is ridiculous. He's managing
THE NEW YORK YANKEES, with a 200 million payroll. Whatever problems he
has, the rest of baseball has it worse. And doesn't have the resources
to fix them that he does. If I was a GM in Pittsburgh and heard "poor"
Joe talk about all he had to deal with, I'd laugh my ass off. Steinbrenner
likes guys that are competitive and mentally tough. Thats why he loved
Billy Martin so much. The belly aching from Torre and Mel ("Somebody
critcized me 4 months ago so I'm quitting") Stottlemeyer must drive
George
nuts. It would me. ESPECIALLY when you factor in these guys are ALL,
WITHOUT EXCEPTION THE HIGHEST PAID FOR THEIR JOBS IN ALL OF BASEBALL.
Stottlemeyer made $800,000 as the Yankee pitching coach last year.
Thats more than alot of Managers make, including the one across town.
And if I'm paying top dollar, expect pressure to perform OR DONT TAKE
THE FUCKING JOB. But once you take the $$ dont bitch about it. Go coach
in Seattle for 200k where no one will bother you. 

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Frosty_Sacknuts

10-15-2005, 01:40 AM

Let Gordon go, he has proven to be unreliable in the clutch. Replace him with BJ Ryan. Thats all that matters.  Get that man a haircut and a pinstripe suit

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10-15-2005, 02:34 PM

quote:  quote: Was Cito Gaston a great manager ? He won 2 in a row.  Ouch! Point well made.   <img src="http://home.comcast.net/%7Ebob80/RFnetBulldogcakes3.jpg" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My site Bully Baby</a> "A dog recently saved his owner's life, because he had been trained to dial 911. Unfortunately, operators had trouble finding the address 'woof, woof.'"-Norm MacDonald This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-14-05 @ 7:23 PM Yah great point.   Now would you like to back that statement up with any facts at all?  Or shall we just make shit up? Cito took a team that was in trouble in 1989 with a .333 win percentage under Jimy Williams and turned it around taking the AL East pennant with a final win percentage of .611.  He went on from there to take a team with almost no history of winning, and turned them into a perennial favorite winning 4 AL East titles in 5 years.  Along the way they sure did pick up 2 World Series rings, and they didn't take all the other team's best players to do so.  So all in all boys, good point! 

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10-15-2005, 02:47 PM

The bottom line with all this manager talk is that sometimes a change is needed for the sake of change.  The Yankees surely need a little shake up, and perhaps it's time for Joe's tenure to end.  He was a great fit for a long time, be happy with that.  As for his losing past, he was a young manager still learning on the fly.  Just as players need to adapt to the game and it's changes, so does a manager.  Many managers/coaches start off badly and learn the job on the fly, just as Randolph is with the Mets.  You have to give them time to find their style, approach and stregths as they learn their roles and where they need to deligate authority.  All managers are different and bring different skill sets to the table.  It's obvious that a new, learn as he goes manager wouldn't be a fit in NY so their choice is extremely limited.  Lou is one of only a few choices to replace Joe at this point, but will it garner the results that Yankee brass and fans have come to expect whenever they sign someone new.  We've seen in the recent past that the Yankees have made some suspect/rash moves in respose to a perceived problem magnified by rabid fans, talk radio and the press in general.  My advice to the Yankee brain trust and fans would be to look at the whole picture and identify the true problem here.  I doubt very much that Torre is the number one worry and or problem. 

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quote: quote:  quote: Was Cito Gaston a great manager ? He won 2 in a row.  Ouch! Point well made.   <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My site Bully Baby</a> "A dog recently saved his owner's life, because he had been trained to dial 911. Unfortunately, operators had trouble finding the address 'woof, woof.'"-Norm MacDonald This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 10-14-05 @ 7:23 PM Yah great point.   Now would you like to back that statement up with any facts at all?  Or shall we just make shit up? Cito took a team that was in trouble in 1989 with a .333 win percentage under Jimy Williams and turned it around taking the AL East pennant with a final win percentage of .611.  He went on from there to take a team with almost no history of winning, and turned them into a perennial favorite winning 4 AL East titles in 5 years.  Along the way they sure did pick up 2 World Series rings, and they didn't take all the other team's best players to do so.  So all in all boys, good point! Yeah, but he could have put hometown favorite, Mike Mussina, in the game when he managed the AL in the All-Star Game in Baltimore.  Fucking prick. 

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10-15-2005, 05:06 PM

I'm starting to believe that Pinella already has an arrangement worked out with George. Here's my conspiracy theory. 
1) Pinella was referring to George as "Mr Stienbrenner" on the Mike and Mad Dog
interview. George insists all of his employees call him that. People
who have a personal relationship (which Pinella has had for the past 15
years) call him "George". And in last years "Yankee-ography" on
Stienbrenner, Pinella called him "George". So he's changed it for some
reason. 
2) Pinella said he wanted out of Tampa soon after (June 15th)
the Yanks went into their 2nd extended tailspin, where they lost 11 of
14, including being swept by the lowly Royals. Coincidence? Sure, could
be. Or maybe somebody told Al Nero (Pinella's agent) that there might
be another job waiting for him if he could get out of Tampa. 
Remember who else threw a tantrum, demanding to get off his team in
2004? Randy Johnson. I always suspected the Yanks let it be known
they'd give him the extension he wanted (which the D-backs wouldn't) if
he'd demand a trade. Cant prove it, but always suspected it. 
3) After Pinella announced he wouldn't be back, his pitchers
magically stopped throwing at Yankee players. I've watched Pinella for
years with Tampa and Seattle, and in every 3 game series a minimum of 5
Yanks got hit by pitches. Then it suddenly stopped late this year. I
remember saying to myself " Wow, we just played a series w/the Devil
Rays and no one got hit. Thats strange" 
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spoon

10-15-2005, 10:13 PM

I agreed with that one until he became a Yankee.  Now I'm glad they fucked him.  Let's just hope he continues on his current trend.  Nothing irks me more then when the likes of Mussina and Clemens, documented Yankee haters in the past eventually sign with them later in hopes a of cheap ring.  Way to make it happen Moose!

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10-17-2005, 03:06 PM

The Yankees got the OK from the Braves to talk to
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10-17-2005, 03:59 PM

Are you serious? Yes
you are! (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051017&content_id=1253020&vkey=n ews_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy) I thought that was a pipe dream of theirs. That he'd never leave Atlanta. That's amazing, I hope they get him.I've
heard he's making about 250k down there. Mel was making 800k. So if he
stays, its not for the money. And there's no way Time Warner would
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10-17-2005, 10:21 PM

So BDC, the Yanks are going with Pinella as manager, Mazzone as the pitching coach, Ryan as the setup man, Konerko as another first baseman, Hunter or Pierre in center, resign Matsui for left, and I'm sure many other teams will just let go of their best players/coaches to help the poor yanks.  Your getting comical at this point.  Who are they bringing in to replace Cashman, the NJ Devil's GM?  Do you actually like the yankees?  It seems like you want the whole team replaced every fucking year.  Perhaps your just a bitch who really likes shopping?  I have my theories of late lil cake boy.  The Yanks are turning into the Braves North.  The only difference is that the Braves actually earn it, while the yanks buy it.  Unfortunately money can't always take you all the way.  Thank god for this.  Yet it's more possible in MLB as compared to other sports like the NHL.  See the Rangers of the past ten years.  MLB is listed as a team game, but it plays out with many one on one battles.  It's more of an individual game then any of the other major sports.  

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10-18-2005, 02:30 AM

Where was the monday Torre statement? The longer we wait, the more peole will think something's up. 

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TheMojoPin

10-18-2005, 09:22 AM

That article is nuts...there's no way Mazzone is coaching anywhere without Bobby Cox.

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10-18-2005, 09:50 AM

Not to say you aren't right mojo but here is an interesting bit from todays baltimore sun (the orioles have also asked for permission to interview Mazzone)If a bidding war for Mazzone ensues, one advantage the Orioles should have is Mazzone's fondness for Perlozzo. The two grew up together in Western Maryland and have remained best friends. Mazzone, who has been in the Atlanta organization since 1979, even has said publicly that one thing he'd like to do before he retires is be Perlozzo's pitching coach

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10-18-2005, 10:59 AM

Hmmmmmm...then maybe Cox can be swayed...I thought Atlanta's coaching staff was pretty much set in stone until they started dying.

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Snoogans

10-18-2005, 11:07 AM

they are dying. No one goes to Braves games, so AOL is cutting money
every year. Not only do i think this could happen, but you could also
prob get any high priced guy you'd want right now, including Andruw
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10-18-2005, 11:11 AM

Well, I meant the old guys LITERALLY dying, but yeah, it's been obvious for years that most Braves' "fans" care less about the Braves than we do.

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10-18-2005, 11:14 AM

Seriously though, how can you break up the Cox/Mazzone/Shurholtz
machine. Despite the playoff embarrassment, it seems like you can give
them any 25 guys and they will find a way to make the playoffs. And in
fairness, a couple of years, like this one, they werent expected to win
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TheMojoPin

10-18-2005, 11:18 AM

True, but there's gotta be something to them stalling the playoffs ever year of this incredible run except for one.  Maybe a bit of a change is needed to push them across the finish line.

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10-18-2005, 11:20 AM

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Well, that's part of taking a chance.  Should they just settle for "almost" year after year?

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TheGameHHH

10-18-2005, 12:16 PM

The monday Torre annoucement became the tuesday announcement, he said today he's comming back.

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Bulldogcakes

10-18-2005, 03:27 PM

And there goes my Pinella conspiracy theory. Oh well. Torre
isn't perfect, but he's really good. And very thorough. I thought he
deserved to take some heat after the early exit (and last years
collapse) but I have no problem with him staying. He can handle George
and the media, and will always give you a solid performance on the
field. I'm happy either way.   

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TheMojoPin

10-18-2005, 04:20 PM

It wasn't a bad theory, BDC. Lou clearly wants another spot, and he was kissing serious ass to try and take over the Yankees.  He's been doing the same when sitting in the White Sox games towards the Cubs or maybe even the Sox in the off chance Ozzie follows up on his idiotic promise to retire if the Sox win the WS this year.  Lou wants to work, and if he smells blood, he's diving in!

high fly

10-19-2005, 06:34 AM

Anyone got the Yankees' magic number for the playoffs figured out?

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10-19-2005, 02:03 PM

Fuck!
Mazzone's out (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1020,0,4055479.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines) 

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replace Mel Stottlemyre, which includes Dave Righetti of the Giants,
Don Cooper of the White Sox and former pitcher Ron Guidry, who most
recently has been a spring training instructor. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-19-2005, 05:22 PM

Congrats Joe Girardi (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2197491)Good
for him, I hate to lose him but its a great opportunity for him. And he
can win fast down there. I was hoping he'd be a future Yankee manager.
3 year deal, maybe we'll see him again sometime in the future.  

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spoon

10-20-2005, 01:03 AM

What a shock!  BDC was wrong again....two for two so far.  Keep up the good work.  Next thing you'll tell us is that the Yanks are trading the Jays Giambi and Shef for Halladay and Wells. 

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10-20-2005, 07:40 AM

Jesus, Spoon, you got a boner or something?  Who cares if his guesses were wrong?  All he was doing was saying what he hoped or thought might happen.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> Dancing with the women at the bar... << He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

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spoon

10-20-2005, 03:48 PM

Yah, a boner, that sounds right.  You know what yankee talk and BDC does to me.  I assume it's not against the RF bylaws to point out idiocies and argue out your own side to these things.  So expect more if more idiotic ideas are presented.  Here's my hope (and nobody better rip me for it or I'll cry like a bitch and have Mojo rescue me):  The Blue Jays are going to sign the ghosts of Cy Young and Ted Williams.  Hopefully they can turn this team around with the help of our soon to be new Saudi owner and all his financial means.  His first move will be relocating the formerly named "Skydome" into the actual sky.  His plan is to float it about a mile into the sky somewhere over Oshua in Ontario.  

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Crippler

10-20-2005, 04:18 PM

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HBox

10-20-2005, 05:25 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2199155" target="_blank">Yanks contact Larry Bowa.</a>That
would be one way to change the dynamics in the club house a bit, to
have Bowa as bench coach. And another interesting thing is that Cashman
contacted Bowa. That might say something about his
status. 
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10-20-2005, 05:31 PM

quote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2199155" target="_blank">Yanks contact Larry Bowa.</a>That would be one way to change the dynamics in the club house a bit, to have Bowa as bench coach. And another interesting thing is that Cashman contacted Bowa. That might say something about his status. They want Larry to coach third. He actually was one of the league's best third base coaches when he did so early on in his career. The prevailing theory is they'll move Sojo to first and cut Roy White lose seeing as how Steinbrenner apparantly very fond of him. This is actually a great idea, having Larry in the Yankee clubhouse can be a real asset so long as he isn't in charge.

Bulldogcakes

10-20-2005, 05:38 PM

Yeah, I have no problem with it. As bench coach or 3rd base coach.
Torre was at his best with that little firecracker nutjob Zimmer. The
clubhouse can use some spark, I say good move. That was actually the main reason why I thought Torre could/should be replaced. Dead dugout when Jeter's not there. When Jeter hit the HR in the 8th in Game 5 in Anaheim, they showed a camera shot of the dugout. Not one person moved.But
I do suspect he'd be a bench coach. To go from being a manager to a 3rd
base coach would be a big step down, kind of embarassing. I'd think
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HBox

10-20-2005, 05:47 PM

Yeah, it looks like Bowa has been offered third
base and Lee Mazzilli is the favorite to become bench coach. I can't
believe that Bowa, after being a head coach, would want to leave ESPN
to be a third base coach. That's a hell of a step down, from head coach
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Bulldogcakes

10-20-2005, 05:49 PM

Mazzili I could do without. Never impressed me much in any way, and did nothing as a manager. 

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Knowledged_one

10-21-2005, 04:12 AM

But I do suspect he'd be a bench coach. To go from being a manager to a 3rd base coach would be a big step down, kind of embarassing. I'd think he'd be looking for either manager/bench coach jobs. We'll see.  --- I don't know the Orioles have Tom Trebelhorn coaching third and he was a former managerI am sure there are other guys in the league who have done the same as well. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-21-2005, 04:02 PM

I was trying to think of others, and couldn't come up with any.
Anyway, its definitely 3rd base like H-Box said. I heard him today on
Michael Kay and he says he loves coaching 3rd and sounds like he wants
the job real bad. "Loves the pinstripes, always a dream to be a Yankee"
blah blah blah. They all know what George likes to hear. I like the
move. He strikes me as a gym rat, a guy who'd rather be on the field
than in the booth. And he knows his shit if you've heard any of his
analysis. 
Here's an interesting tidbit (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=klapisch_bob&id=2197048)the Yankees have a long list of potential replacements for Williams in center, including <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6550">Juan Pierre</a> and <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5884">Torii Hunter</a>.


The Twins' two-time Gold Glove winner is preparing for a trade,
recently selling his house and telling the Minneapolis Star Tribune, "I
want to be here, but you never know what could happen."

 
 Hunter's my top choice. With Juan Pierre second. I like
Pierre's bat better, but Hunter is the best defensive CF in the AL. And
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spoon

10-21-2005, 04:43 PM

Funny, he's not even a yankee yet, but you already call him the best.  I guess you just select the best players for all of us.  I guess Wells and many other gold glovers in the AL outfields can't hang with Hunter.  Today's word of the day is "Myopic".

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spoon

10-21-2005, 04:56 PM

Not to mention that your quote is off by two years as Hunter and Suzuki won Gold Gloves in each of the last four years. 

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HBox

10-21-2005, 05:33 PM

If you go strictly by defensive stats (which I
don't believe in anyway) Mark Kotsay has the best range in the AL. I
can't find the numbers so you'll just have to trust me. However, I
think Hunter is clearly better defensively than Wells, though I'd
rather have Wells if that was possible. 

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spoon

10-21-2005, 06:26 PM

Kotsay is a huge factor in this discussion, but to dismiss Wells and Suzuki so easily is not warranted.

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RingWraith

10-26-2005, 02:46 PM

Cashman stays!!!!!...........YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bulldogcakes

10-26-2005, 03:06 PM

Am I the only Yankee fan who didn't give a shit whether he stayed or
not? I mean, he's a real nice guy, I wish him well either way, but I
didn't think Cashman (an ironic name for a Yankee GM) was crucial to
the Yankees winning or losing. I was actually surprised how bad George
wanted him back. The 95-2001 teams that were so successful were
built (mostly) by Stick and Buck Showalter. And Cashman was the guy who
got Jeff Weaver, then traded him for Kevin Brown. And Vasquez was his
deal too. He's had some good moves (Bringing up Wang and Cano, A-Rod
was his deal). And some deals he was opposed to (Wells, Sierra,
Sheffield) worked out nicely. So like most GM's he has a mixed record.
If he's staying, fine. Now go get me Paul Konerko Motherfucker!!! And BJ Ryan!!!!!Not that we need them, just to piss off Snoogans.  

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spoon

10-26-2005, 10:20 PM

I guess you didn't watch your team last year huh?  The Yanks are a group of overpaid pussies.  Oh, you need anything you can get to replace those assholes.  The best place to start is with the fucking fans.  And if Jeter made that play last night we'd never here the end of it.  When you're there every fucking year you eventually make some plays.  Only Jeter makes his plays in Chelsea.

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10-27-2005, 05:26 AM

quote: Am I the only Yankee fan who didn't give a shit whether he stayed or not? I mean, he's a real nice guy, I wish him well either way, but I didn't think Cashman was crucial to the Yankees winning or losing.Agreed, Cashman made some good moves and some bad moves, but in summation didn't have the power to truly build a team.  I don't think it matters who has the title Yankee GM because the Tampe Brain-Trust will still be making the important (and too often wrong) decisions. Now go get me Paul Konerko Motherfucker!!! And BJ Ryan!!!   Paul Konerko is probably the last player in the league the Yankees need to go after.  BJ Ryan, however, would be huge.  But I'm never really comfortable in bringing in someone else's closer & making him take a demotion.  You develope set-up men and mold them into closers, you don't ask them to take a step back.  Ryan might be young enough (in baseball years) to make it work though.

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Crippler

11-02-2005, 09:06 AM

No speculation here...Jeter wins second Gold Glove in a row!<a href="http://yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051101&content_id=1263171&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy">http://yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051101&content_id=1263171&vkey=n ews_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy</a>

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11-02-2005, 09:20 AM

A Rod has been caught going to illegal poker housesBud Selig is reportedly not happy

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badorties

11-02-2005, 09:22 AM

with giardi in FLA, have they announced a new bench coach ... i would've thought bowa would be a nice fit there, not at third base ...

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11-02-2005, 12:30 PM

I don't know if it has been announced or not, but at this point I expect it to be Maz.

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RingWraith

11-02-2005, 12:32 PM

ESPN.com reports that Lee Mazzilli will be the new bench coach. So there you go.

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Bulldogcakes

11-02-2005, 04:09 PM

Story (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2211539)  I dont understand Torre's hard on for Mazzili. Other than they're both
Italians from Brooklyn. Mazzili never impressed me, as a Yankee coach
or with the Orioles. 

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11-02-2005, 04:18 PM

quote:A Rod has been caught going to illegal poker housesBud Selig is reportedly not happy

 Story (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2211201)  His
wife should probably be more upset than Baseball. The illegal clubs
usually have girls around to "take care of" the customers. 
 

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spoon

11-02-2005, 07:41 PM

quote: No speculation here...Jeter wins second Gold Glove in a row!<a href="http://yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051101&content_id=1263171&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy">http://yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051101&content_id=1263171&vkey=n ews_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy</a><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=spe5150" border="0" /> Too bad the Blue Jays got two bitch!  Wells wins his second in a row as well.  While Hudson finally got the gold glove he's deserved for at least the last 3 years.  He's hands down the best defensive 2nd baseman in baseball. <img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> Get your balls out of your purse and step up to flavor! With whale cancer! F yeah!

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TheMojoPin

11-02-2005, 09:15 PM

<a href="http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/dugout11-2-05.htm" target="_blank">The sordid details of A-Rod's slide into the seedy world of underground poker.</a>

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11-02-2005, 09:20 PM

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spoon

11-03-2005, 02:48 AM

I've got no problems with Arod and poker, or Wang and whatever Wang does.  It's their fucking private lives, and I don't give a shit one way or another.  You never here me bashing Jeter for partying with Big Jim!

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11-03-2005, 04:52 AM

quote: quote: No speculation here...Jeter wins second Gold Glove in a row!<a href="http://yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051101&content_id=1263171&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy">http://yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051101&content_id=1263171&vkey=n ews_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy</a><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=spe5150" border="0" /> Too bad the Blue Jays got two bitch!  Wells wins his second in a row as well.  While Hudson finally got the gold glove he's deserved for at least the last 3 years.  He's hands down the best defensive 2nd baseman in baseball. <img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> Get your balls out of your purse and step up to flavor! With whale cancer! F yeah!This message was edited by spoon on 11-2-05 @ 11:41 PM I don't know about hands down, if Brian Roberts hadn't dislocated his elbow i think he might have been the gold glove winnerI think Hudson is good but not the greatest 

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HBox

11-03-2005, 05:27 PM

The Yanks just signed Tony Pena to be their first
base coach. This is getting a bit ridiculous, I think Tommy Lasorda's
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spoon

11-04-2005, 12:16 AM

quote: quote: quote: No speculation here...Jeter wins second Gold Glove in a row!<a href="http://yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051101&content_id=1263171&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy">http://yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051101&content_id=1263171&vkey=n ews_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy</a><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=spe5150" border="0" /> Too bad the Blue Jays got two bitch!  Wells wins his second in a row as well.  While Hudson finally got the gold glove he's deserved for at least the last 3 years.  He's hands down the best defensive 2nd baseman in baseball. <img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> Get your balls out of your purse and step up to flavor! With whale cancer! F yeah!This message was edited by spoon on 11-2-05 @ 11:41 PM I don't know about hands down, if Brian Roberts hadn't dislocated his elbow i think he might have been the gold glove winnerI think Hudson is good but not the greatest <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Aggie/Wu1.jpg" border="0" /> Internet Tough Guy #1 - Just look at my e-muscles Roberts is good, and Hudson even mentioned that he thought Roberts would win, but Hudson's way fucking better.  Hudson's range destroys that of Roberts and O-Dog (we're close as you can tell) has one of the greatest pivots I've ever seen at 2nd.  Alomar has nothing on Hudson's pivot, and I'd even give Hudson the edge in range.  Sorry, I disagree. 

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11-04-2005, 10:19 AM

I don't know i think when things are said and done 20 years from now they will be talking about Roberto Alomar as possibly one of the greatest 2nd Baseman of all time

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badorties

11-04-2005, 10:34 AM

I don't know i think when things are said and done 20 years from now they will be talking about Roberto Alomar as possibly one of the greatest 2nd Baseman of all time his stock fell so far (and so fast) the last few years, i'm not too sure ... once he went to the mets, his career was never the same ... his stats and glove were impressive, but there's something quite forgettable about him ...and the spitting thing will always taint things a bit

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TheGameHHH

11-04-2005, 11:34 AM

So it appears the Yanks wanna try andstick with Bubba Crosby instead of paying for an overpriced CF, at least that's what it said in the Ledger this morning. i think it's a pretty solid idea, i'd love to win a championship next year with Wang, Crosby and Cano all playing big roles so the critics will be silenced why they say the Yanks don't care enough about their young talent and just want to buy everybody in order to win.

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Tall_James

11-04-2005, 11:41 AM

The Yanks just signed Tony Pena to be their first base coach. This is getting a bit ridiculous, I think Tommy Lasorda's gonna end up being one of the guys who roll out the tarp.Do they have Grady Little's phone number?

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badorties

11-04-2005, 12:41 PM

So it appears the Yanks wanna try andstick with Bubba Crosby instead of paying for an overpriced CF, at least that's what it said in the Ledger this morning. i think it's a pretty solid idea, i'd love to win a championship next year with Wang, Crosby and Cano all playing big roles so the critics will be silenced why they say the Yanks don't care enough about their young talent and just want to buy everybody in order to win.works for me ...and they announced today that guidry's the pitching coach

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Bulldogcakes

11-04-2005, 03:06 PM

If any of you think Bubba Crosby is going to be the Yankee starting CF next year, you're smoking crack. Worst case scenario, they give Damon a shitload of cash. Best case, they make a trade for Hunter or Pierre. Thats
just doing a little negotiating through the press. The Yanks do it all
the time, hoping that some of it filters back to the teams they're
trying to trade with. Two years ago, I heard that the Yanks
were very worried about Giambi's knee, that they didn't think he could
still play 1st base anymore, and had to keep Nick Johnson. A week later
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11-04-2005, 07:36 PM

quote: If any of you think Bubba Crosby is going to be the Yankee starting CF next year, you're smoking crack. Worst case scenario, they give Damon a shitload of cash. Best case, they make a trade for Hunter or Pierre. Thats just doing a little negotiating through the press. The Yanks do it all the time, hoping that some of it filters back to the teams they're trying to trade with. Two years ago, I heard that the Yanks were very worried about Giambi's knee, that they didn't think he could still play 1st base anymore, and had to keep Nick Johnson. A week later they traded Nick Johnson for Javier Vasquez.   <img src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetBulldogcakes3.jpg" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My site Bully Baby</a> "A dog recently saved his owner's life, because he had been trained to dial 911. Unfortunately, operators had trouble finding the address 'woof, woof.'"-Norm MacDonald Yah, how'd that work out?

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11-04-2005, 07:58 PM

quote: I don't know i think when things are said and done 20 years from now they will be talking about Roberto Alomar as possibly one of the greatest 2nd Baseman of all time <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Aggie/Wu1.jpg" border="0" /> Internet Tough Guy #1 - Just look at my e-muscles For a career I totally agree with you.  But if Hudson can continually field as he has over the first few years of his career, he'll pass Alomar defensively.  Alomar set himself apart more bc he was a great hitting second baseman with above average power for the position.  To me, he's the only Blue Jay who can be argued as the best at his position during his time.  Sure he fell off very late in his career, but even than he fielded quite well.  He lost his bat and got old.  His Blue Jay/Oriole days were amazing.  He also played pretty good for the Padres and Indians.  However, he did suck for the Mets.....twice.  Take a look at his O and realize that his bad days still weren't terrible, only they were for him.<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="625" border="0"><tr><td class="#FFFFFF" colspan="2"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="613" border="0"><tr><td class="textSm grey" colspan="18">Hitting Stats:</td><td class="textSm grey" align="right" colspan="17"><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/NASApp/mlb/stats/historical/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=110183ion1=1ion2=1&statSet2=1ion3=1&statSet3=1&statSet1=2">Next Stats >></a></td></tr><tr><td colspan="18"><img height="1" alt="" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="textSm grey" align="right" colspan="17"> </td></tr><tr><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">SEASON</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">TEAM</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">G</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">AB</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">R</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">H</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">2B</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">3B</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">HR</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">RBI</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">TB</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">BB</td><td rowspan="22"><img height="1" src="http://www.ronfez.net/images/trans.gif" width="1" border="0" /></td><td class="text primary" align="center">S

spoon

11-04-2005, 08:14 PM

Here's a pitcher I actually had a discussion about with an actual baseball scout.  He said it's a no brainer, but nobody will be able to match what the Yanks will give if they want him.  He also said that the Japanese club would hold out letting him go until the Yanks give them a lot of cash to let him go.  Hence raising the price even more.  He's by no means a sure thing (nobody ever is), but this is where the Yanks constantly kill the whole meaning of the draft giving lesser teams the first pick of the relatively cheaper players.  Outside countries and their players are not a part of the draft so in essence are free agents from day 1.  This of course is where the Yankees have a huge advantage, but it should not include these players.  If MLB isn't going to fix the league in terms of team payroll and or some form of a cap, then they definately need to have foreign draft of some sort.  These players shouldn't be allowed to have this advantage over players from this country alone.  US born players start at a disadvantage and this in itself isn't fair.  The biggest concern though is that these players should be drafted just like everyone else, giving the lower teams from the previous year first shot.  MLB does a terrible job protecting the rights of lower market teams among many other problems.  Here's the story.  It looks like the scout called it so far.  "Newsday reports that the Yankees have interest in Japanese right-hander Daisuke Matsuzaka, who is currently under contract with the Seibu Lions. The team rejected his request to leave earlier this week, but the paper reports that if Matsuzaka somehow can convince Seibu to reverse course, the Yankees "are expected to hotly pursue the pitcher considered by many to be the best in the Japanese League." According to the report, a Major League source said Yankees officials were severely disappointed when Seibu on Monday declined Matsuzaka's request to be offered to the big leagues. Matsuzaka recently hired agent Scott Boras to help him get a big league contract." 

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11-04-2005, 08:39 PM

<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="625" border="0"><tr><td><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="613" border="0"><tr><td rowspan="2">   </td><td colspan="17">OLANDO HUDSON'sFielding Stats:  </td><td colspan="17">   </td></tr><tr><td colspan="17"> </td><td colspan="13">   </td><td>   </td><td>   </td><td>   </td><td>   </td></tr><tr><td rowspan="7"> </td><td>SEASON  </td><td rowspan="5"> </td><td>TEAM  </td><td rowspan="5"> </td><td>POS  </td><td rowspan="5"> </td><td>G  </td><td rowspan="5"> </td><td>GS  </td><td rowspan="5"> </td><td><st

spoon

11-04-2005, 08:41 PM

Here's Robert's stats:<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="625" border="0"><tr><td><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="613" border="0"><tr><td rowspan="2"> </td><td colspan="17">Fielding Stats: </td><td colspan="17">  </td></tr><tr><td colspan="17"> </td><td colspan="13">  </td><td>  </td><td>  </td><td>  </td><td>  </td></tr><tr><td rowspan="11"> </td><td>SEASON </td><td rowspan="9"> </td><td>TEAM </td><td rowspan="9"> </td><td>POS </td><td rowspan="9"> </td><td>G </td><td rowspan="9"> </td><td>GS<span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black; font-family: arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'aria

spoon

11-04-2005, 08:54 PM

Here's Jeter's stats:<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="625" border="0"><tr><td>  </td><td><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="613" border="0"><tr><td rowspan="2"> </td><td colspan="17">Fielding Stats:  </td><td colspan="17">   </td></tr><tr><td colspan="17"> </td><td colspan="13">   </td><td>   </td><td>   </td><td>   </td><td>   </td></tr><tr><td rowspan="14"> </td><td>SEASON  </td><td rowspan="12"> </td><td>TEAM  </td><td rowspan="12"> </td><td>POS  </td><td rowspan="12"> </td><td>G  </td><td rowspan="12"> </td><td>GS  </td><td rowspan="12"> </td><td><sp

spoon

11-04-2005, 09:07 PM

So here's some perspective on RF, Range Factor.  You can't compare different positions due to the different amount and whic times said position plays the ball.  First baseman have very high RF's due to the fact that they also field throws from other positions more then most others.  A good RF for 1st is at least the high 8's but usually better.  For SS and 2nd, 3 is normal, 4 is good, 5 is great, and 6 hasn't been done as far as I know.  The problem is that RF alone doesn't mean you are a great fielder, it just means you get to these balls, hence the range.  So in essence you need to weigh the RF with the amount of errors/fielding percentage of the player your analyzing.  Players with great range usually are charged with a few extra errors bc they get to balls most players wouldn't, and have to make some really tough plays.  So when we analyze the 2nd basemen you can see just how special Hudson looks.  Factor in all the parameters and it's not even close.  Well I guess it's close enough to debate, but I guess you know my opinion.

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11-04-2005, 09:17 PM

What this all translates into is that even though Hudson played 11 less games, he recorded 40 more Total Chances, and almost 70 more put outs.  Hence he gets to a lot more balls, difficult plays at that, and makes the outs.  This is a huge factor in the voting, not to mention the way he looks fielding the ball, very fluid.  

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11-08-2005, 04:12 PM

Yanks let Tino go free agent (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2217949)Probably
means he's gone. I've been hearing bring Olerud back to backup 1b.
Which makes sense, Olerud can give you just as much defensively, and
probably a little more offensively at this point. Still sucks to see Tino go. Part of the (now long gone) run.  

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TheGameHHH

11-08-2005, 05:48 PM

They aren't talking about bringing Olerud back, Cashman said today they're leaning toward Andy Philips.

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TheGameHHH

11-15-2005, 11:41 AM

Seems they're close with Matsui, 4 years for 50 million.

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RingWraith

11-15-2005, 07:01 PM

And they finally agree to a four-year deal worth $52 mil.  Good, now let's hope the NY Yankees can sure up the bullpen and center field position.

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newport king

11-15-2005, 07:26 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2217949" target="blank">Yanks let Tino go free agent</a>Probably means he's gone. figured that one out on your own huh? j/k

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11-17-2005, 02:42 PM

It appears they want Giles for left while shifting Matsui to center. Why not just stick with Bubba for a year and see how that goes?

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Bulldogcakes

11-18-2005, 02:28 AM

They're having trouble finding a match trade-wise. Bubba's not a
realistic option. Matsui played center for 10 years in Japan, so its an
option. Giles is a pro's pro hitter, good defensively, excellent arm.
Not a bad move. Brian Giles 
<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" class="tablehead">
<tr class="stathead"><td colspan="13">Season Stats</td></tr><tr align="right" class="colhead"><td align="left">SPLIT</td><td width="7%">G</td><td width="7%">AB</td><td width="7%">R</td><td width="7%">H</td><td width="7%">2B</td><td width="7%">3B</td><td width="7%">HR</td><td width="7%">RBI</td><td width="7%">SB</td><td width="7%">BA</td><td width="7%">OBP</td><td width="7%">SLG</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow"><td align="left">Season</td><td>158</td><td>545</td><td>92</td><td>164</td><td>38</td><td>8</td><td>15</td><td>83</td><td>13</td><td>.301</td><td>.423</td><td>.483</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow"><td align="left">Career</td><td>1360</td><td>4656</td><td>863</td><td>1393</td><td>297</td><td>47</td><td>246</td><td>858</td><td>93</td><td>.299</td><td>.413</td><td>.542</td></tr>
</table>
 Scouting Report
 Hitting 
High expectations may have played a role in Giles' struggles. Normally
a very patient hitter with a discerning eye at the plate, his strikeout
and walk numbers both trended in the wrong direction last year, and his
groundball rate increased as well. From his open stance, he'll stride
toward the pitch and try to pull anything on the inner half, or go to
the opposite field with anything outside. In previous years, his homers
went to all fields, but this year they went almost exclusively to
right. Perhaps he was pressing, trying to justify the Padres trading
two emerging stars for him. Baserunning & Defense 
While he isn't a speedy runner, Giles will steal a base if the pitcher
isn't vigilant. He'll break up a double play or run over a catcher
blocking the plate like a fullback taking out a safety. He positions
himself well in the outfield and reads the ball off the bat better than
most, but his average foot speed was exposed on grounders and liners
that found Petco's deep alleys. Giles' arm is above average and quite
accurate. 

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TheMojoPin

11-18-2005, 07:44 AM

This fucking sucks.  Giles is right up there priority-wise with Pierre and Furcal for the Cubs, namely because he'd fill the gaping hole they have in RF.  You get into a bidding war with the Yankees, might as well give up before it begins.  FUCK YOU, TRIBUNE!!!

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11-18-2005, 11:48 AM

my arguement wasn't that giles isn't good or anything, but why spend the money on him when you have a very young OF in your system that isn't half bad and shows some decent potential. you say he isn't a realistic option, but you don't explain why.  

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HBox

11-18-2005, 12:06 PM

Just say no to Giles. NO NO NO! They don't need another outfielder in the upper 30's, especially at the price he will command.The FAN reported that the Yanks were trying to trade for Aaron Rowand. That works for me. Probably won't come at too steep a price. 

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cougarjake13

11-18-2005, 02:06 PM

apparently carl pavano can't handle the heat in new york and he wants out of pinstripes. there's probably a few teams that might be interested but the yanks probably won't get equal value in any deal<a href="http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1132321522114480.xml&coll=1">http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1132321522114480.xml&coll=1</a>

Bulldogcakes

11-18-2005, 04:12 PM

quote:you say he isn't a realistic
option, but you don't explain why. Bubba Crosby 
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</td><td> 
</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow"><td align="left">Career</td><td>140</td><td>163</td><td>23</td><td>36</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>3</td><td>14</td><td>7</td><td>.221</td><td>.253</td><td>.301</td></tr>
</table>
 He's a career 220 hitter. This is the Yankees were
talking about here, not the Devil Rays. HE's a nice defensive late
inning replacement. 

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11-18-2005, 04:20 PM

quote:apparently
carl pavano can't handle the heat in new york and he wants out of
pinstripes. there's probably a few teams that might be interested but
the yanks probably won't get equal value in any deal<a href="http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1132321522114480.xml&coll=1">http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1132321522114480.xml&coll=1</a>

Thats been no secret
around Yankeeland for a while, especially among the beat reporters.
Fine, he pitched like shit anyway. Fuck that pussy. Let him pitch for
Detroit next year (who wanted him bad last off season) They have any good relievers?  How about this? Yanks send Pavano back to Fla for Juan Pierre.  
 

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Bulldogcakes

11-18-2005, 05:18 PM

quote:Just say no to Giles. NO NO NO! They don't need another outfielder in the upper 30's, especially at the price he will command.The
FAN reported that the Yanks were trying to trade for Aaron Rowand. That
works for me. Probably won't come at too steep a price. 

 He's 34. Not my first
choice, but he's a very solid all around player. I cant complain about
him. But I know what you mean, this team has enough age as it is. 
 BTW- I know the Mets cant trade Cameron to the Yanks for obvious reasons. 
 
But he's no longer a Met. . . . . .Hmmmmm. I really want a
defensive CF to pick up the slack for Sheff and Matsui. I dont love
Cameron's bat, but I'll live w/it for that glove.  

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cougarjake13

11-19-2005, 05:02 AM

quote:  BTW- I know the Mets cant trade Cameron to the Yanks for obvious reasons. But he's no longer a Met. . . . . .Hmmmmm. I really want a defensive CF to pick up the slack for Sheff and Matsui. I dont love Cameron's bat, but I'll live w/it for that glove.  Cameron might actually be better offensively at yankee stadium and in that lineup but who would they give up for him

Bulldogcakes

11-21-2005, 04:17 PM

Yanks
finally make a move (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051121&content_id=1271195&vkey=n ews_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)NEW YORK -- The Yankees may have taken the first step toward filling
the holes in their bullpen, as right-hander Jose Veras reportedly
signed with New York.


Veras, who is currently pitching in the Dominican Winter League, told the Associated Press this weekend that he has signed a one-year contract with the Yankees.
Veras was on the Texas Rangers' roster last year before being
reassigned to the team's Minor League camp. Veras went 3-5 with 24
saves with a 3.79 ERA with Oklahoma, the Rangers' Triple-A affiliate.
In 57 games, the right-hander struck out 72 batters in 61 2/3 innings. 
I dont know how excited I should get about a guy who didn't make it
with Texas Rangers, who were desperate for pitching last year. 


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11-26-2005, 04:12 PM

<h1>Yankees raise ticket prices for best box seats</h1>
 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2236583)
 The Yankees said Friday they are raising the price of their box
seats closest to the field by $5 to $20, depending on their row and
location. The seats, known as field championship boxes, will sell
for $110, $105, $100 and $95, up from $90 last season.
 New York's best regular seats, which include waiter service, are
available only as part of season ticket plans.
 With many sections for next year already sold out because of
season tickets, the price of the top seat available in advance for
individual game sales will be $55 for lower deck reserved, an
increase of $5. Those seats will sell for $57 on the days of games.
 
Another year, another 10% increase. I'm really not complaining
though. You should see what good seats for good games go for on E-Bay
and Stub hub. George could easily get $1000 each for great seats to
good games. My only complaint is if 50 mil is coming off
the books, and you're raising seats 10%, COULD YOU PLEASE DO SOMETHING,
ANYTHING CASHMAN?? Dont tell me you're cutting payroll, raising tix and
putting the same team (which didn't win anything but their stupid
division, and even that was just barely) on the field next year. And I dont want Johnny Damon.  

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Bulldogcakes

11-26-2005, 04:19 PM

Here's another thing that gets me. Who would you rather have on your
team next year. Josh Beckett or Chin Ming Wang? They could have
packaged Wang with a few minor leagers and sent Lowell somewhere that
needs a 3B, maybe ate some cash to do that. Would've beat the shit out of what the Sox gave them, and Wangs not making much. 
Wang was very good
last year, but he's not Josh Beckett. And they're both the same age, so
you're not even getting older. 

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spoon

11-26-2005, 08:43 PM

"Dont tell me you're cutting payroll, raising tix and putting the same team (which didn't win anything but their stupid division, and even that was just barely) on the field next year. " Man I fucking try so hard not to go after you, but statements like this don't help.  How fucking spoiled are Yankee fans?  Being a Jays fan (and the board's Met, Nat, Cub and other fans have to agree) I cringe when I hear shit like this from the Yank fans.  They think their team should win every fucking year and it's normal/fair.  If they did it like the Devils in hockey, or the Pats in football I'd be impressed, but this shit has got to stop.  I'd love to see how many "true" yankee fans would be left if they suffered through anything like the Royals have of late.  Or if they lost all their best players to team like the Spanks like the Braves do as well.  I can promise you that they wouldn't be selling out seats for 1000 bucks.  Hell, they couldn't do that now stupid.  In fact, once the all-star team gets thinned out a bit, you'll still be paying those rates long after.  Have fun.

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11-26-2005, 08:58 PM

This is a thin crop. There's no one worth signing and for the first time, at least so far, the Yanks are being smart and not doing anything for the sake of doing anything. Hell, I'm sure Cashman could turn around and make another Womack/Lofton-type signing just to create the impression they're making changes.As for the Beckett trade, you say a couple minor leaguers like its nothing. The fact is in addition to Wang it would have cost the two top prospects, Philip Hughes and Eric Duncan. And, 1. That might not have been enough to trump Boston's offer and 2. People seem really high on both of those guys. I'm not too sure about emptying the farm system AGAIN for a guy who gets sidelined for a month at a time by blisters. It's more of a gamble than anyone seems to acknowledge.

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Bulldogcakes

11-27-2005, 02:58 AM

H-Box, this isn't even arguable. 
#1-The Red Sox "Hot prospects" were two AA ballplayers, and Hanley Ramirez took a step back last year. Wang
has proven he can pitch in the bigs. Wang and Duncan blows away the
Bosox offer.(BTW-Duncans a 3b, he's sort of blocked at his position) 
#2-How can you complain about blisters when Wang went down for
two months with a shoulder injury? And you know what, he had a similar
shoulder injury two years ago in Taiwan. 
#3- Becketts stats last year, blisters and all. On a team that couldn't score any runs. 

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spoon

11-27-2005, 01:25 PM

Sure the Marlins weren't ripping up the league, but to say they couldn't score any runs is just inaccurate.  Judging them by their own leauge (NL) they ranked in the middle of the pack for runs and rbi's, while having the best team batting average in the league.  I'd say this negates that argument of run support being a major factor he wasn't even more successful.

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11-27-2005, 03:02 PM

quote:#1-The Red Sox "Hot
prospects" were two AA ballplayers, and Hanley Ramirez took a step back
last year. Wang has proven he can pitch in the bigs. Wang and Duncan
blows away the Bosox offer.(BTW-Duncans a 3b, he's sort of blocked at
his position) Sanchez is a highly thought of prospect, and Ramirez is ready for the majors. Wang's value is dimished because of his shoulder, and Duncan, a AA prospect, is probably farther away than either Sanchez or Ramirez and is projecting out at either 1B or RF. He already played a few games at first last season in Trenton IIRC. If it took only Wang and Duncan, that would be a good trade, but it would take much more. Either add Cano or a blue chip prospect and a mid-level prospect. And even that might not have been enough. The marlins were very high on the Red Sox prospects, and if worse came to worse, the Red Sox could have offered Jon Lester to trump whatever the Yanks did, and the Yanks probably couldn't have matched that if they wanted too. But you don't get involved in that game if you're not willing to make the trades you're offering. quote:#2-How can you complain
about blisters when Wang went down for two months with a shoulder
injury? And you know what, he had a similar shoulder injury two years
ago in Taiwan. Exactly, which means the Yanks will likely never get fair value back for him which means it's best to just stick with him. I'm not saying that Wang is better than Beckett, but it will take a hell of a lot more than Wang to get a trade done. And to trade for a guy who played his entire career in a pitcher's park, who has never approached how good he pitched in 2003, and who has never pitched 200 innings in a season is a gamble. Not a huge one, but a gamble. quote:#3- Becketts stats last year, blisters and all. On a team that couldn't score any runs. With a very good defense in a park where no team could score many runs. And let's rememeber the whole AL-NL switch. He's not going to put up the same kind of numbers.I'd still bet that Beckett does well in Boston, becomes the ace and is a perennial All-Star. But when I'm emptying out the farm system AGAIN, I want no doubts. Because remember, the Red Sox didn't need to empty out their system to get this deal done, the Yanks would have had to. 

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11-27-2005, 04:00 PM

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spoon

11-27-2005, 09:08 PM

Thanks Frankie, but I think BDC did mention that move already.  Pretty decent relief pickup for a team that really needs help there.

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Bulldogcakes

11-28-2005, 02:50 PM

OK, lets sum up the off season so farThe Bosox are betterThe Mets are WAY betterThe Blue Jays are better (and were already tough last year)     And the Yanks are standing pat and holding onto their "prospects"Oh, and they're a year older, too.  

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11-28-2005, 02:53 PM

The Yankees will be just fine this season, by golly, I just know it!

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HBox

11-28-2005, 03:53 PM

The Bosox are betterYou really think they are better right now? With Damon and Mueller unsigned? With Wells and Ramirez demanding trades? And they're a year older too, and I'm sure that will really help Varitek and Schilling.The offseason isn't over yet. In fact, it's been on for less than a month. But, hey, World Series have been won by the teams that go nuts in the offseason, right? The Angels, Marlins, White Sox, hell they all dominated the headlines making crazy trades and huge signings the year before winning, right?People were demanding change, and now that it seems like it happening, FOR LESS THAN A GODDAMNED MONTH, people are having anuerysms. The next time a Randy Johnson deal is made or a Giambi-type contract is signed, look yourself in the mirror. 

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Bulldogcakes

11-28-2005, 04:27 PM

Well, when the Mets are signing everyone under the sun and the Yanks
say they're looking for CF and bullpen help, and cant find any, it's a
little tough to take. But I'm not having an anuerysm. I wish the Mets
well, but we do have to play them 6 times this year. And yes, the Bosox
are better. When you replace Wells (or Schilling) with Josh Beckett,
you just got better.  Yeah its early, and the Yanks are
usually VERY quiet about what they're doing, for obvious reasons. But
think about what they're saying. hey dont want to trade away any young
players or prospects, and they dont like the free agent crop much. And
they just raised tix 10% and are shedding 50 mil in payroll. What the
fuck? 
And what is your obsession with keeping prospects? Most of them
turn out to be nothing, and if I can get someone to hit 25 HR's, 100
RBI's, a .400 OBP and can catch the ball I dont care if he comes from
Japan Columbus or Guam.   BTW Can you believe The Big Eunich won 17 games last year? 

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Bulldogcakes

11-28-2005, 05:11 PM

Some grist for the rumor millThe Yankees’ best option might be in-house; lefthander Matt Smith
impressed New York talent evaluators with a terrific slider during a
season split between Columbus (Triple-A) and Trenton (Double-A). And
then there’s always the possibility of convincing Al Leiter not to
retire. After struggling in relief during the regular season, Leiter
opened up some eyes with his command of Anaheim’s left-handed hitters
during the American League Division SeriesI
heard Al on the Mike Kay show and he sounds like he'll come back if the
Yanks want him to. Fine by me. He did well in the lefty set up role,
and could spot start if there's an injury. 
BTW-ALOT of buzz in Seattle about a possible Pavano deal. Yanks
would LOVE Ichiro for CF, M's say they wont trade him under any
circumstances. He's the face of the franchise, and very marketable in
the area. How much the Yanks get for Pavano depends on how much $$ they
pick up. Ichiro has been rumored to be unhappy in Seattle, and is a
free agent in 2007. 


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HBox

11-28-2005, 05:16 PM

Beckett might have to end up replacing both Schilling and Wells if Schilling is really done. Beckett can only pitch every 5.[color=navy][size=2]I'm not totally against trading prospects but I'm not overpaying for all but the absolute cream of the crop with the farm system just recovering like it is. Now, if we are talking about a pitcher like John Santana or Roy Halladay or Ben Sheets, then I'm giving up Wang and a bunch of prospects. I'm not willing to do that for Beckett, although he's close. It's also all about value. When you have productive starters like Cano and Wang making little money, you can afford to overpay in contracts if you have to. If you trade away these players and then try to fill every position with big contracts, even the Yankees hit the ceiling. I'm guessing that's what happened last year.And also remember that the Yankees scouts know what they are doing. For all the players they've traded, they held on to Jeter, Rivera, Pettite, Posada and Soriano (until they were offered the best player in baseball for him). If they are holding on to someone, they might know more than any of us.But the most important thing: If there's nothing worth doing, the smartest thing to do is nothing. They've never done that before. 

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11-28-2005, 05:18 PM

If the Yankees aren't getting Ichiro for Pavano even if they pay for Pavano's contract 100 times over. 

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RingWraith

11-28-2005, 07:48 PM

Anyone noticed that the NY Yankees start the 2006 season on the road, West Coast road trip that is.They start the season against the Oakland A's, then the Angels.  The home opener at Yankee Stadium is April 11th against the Royals.

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11-28-2005, 08:42 PM

quote:  quote: The Bosox are better  You really think they are better right now? With Damon and Mueller unsigned? With Wells and Ramirez demanding trades? And they're a year older too, and I'm sure that will really help Varitek and Schilling. The offseason isn't over yet. In fact, it's been on for less than a month. But, hey, World Series have been won by the teams that go nuts in the offseason, right? The Angels, Marlins, White Sox, hell they all dominated the headlines making crazy trades and huge signings the year before winning, right?People were demanding change, and now that it seems like it happening, FOR LESS THAN A GODDAMNED MONTH, people are having anuerysms. The next time a Randy Johnson deal is made or a Giambi-type contract is signed, look yourself in the mirror. <img src="http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7449/georgesig0mm.jpg" border="0" /> I would say so in the sense that the starting pitching has certainly gotten better.  Beckett, Clement (at least for the first half of the season), a hopefully healthy Schilling, Arroyo, Wakefield and Papelbon:  good on paper anyway. I would say so in the sense that the starting pitching has certainly gotten better.  Beckett, Clement (at least for the first half of the season), a hopefully healthy Schilling, Arroyo, Wakefield and Papelbon:  good on paper anyway.

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11-30-2005, 03:41 PM

The Yankees signed Kelly Stinnett to replace Flaherty as backup catcher. 

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cougarjake13

11-30-2005, 04:05 PM

damn what an impact signingthe rest of the AL east and american league beware

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11-30-2005, 04:38 PM

and now the earth shattering signing of   kyle farnsworth soory mudo maybe you'll get hoffman<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5122276">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5122276</a>

Snoogans

11-30-2005, 04:58 PM

PLEASE SIGN FARNSWORTH. HE IS AWFUL Mojo knows 

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11-30-2005, 04:59 PM

I know Farnsworth has been spotty in the post season, but I have no
problem with the signing. He sets up for Mo, and can close if Mo's
hurt. 29 years old, and cant be worse than Gordon was in the big spot, who
was awful. 

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HBox

11-30-2005, 05:06 PM

Don't take for granted how much Gordon locked down the game 90% of the time in the regular season. That is incredibly valuable. Of course, the Yanks probably couldn't get anybody short of BJ Ryan who could replicate that, including the 38-year old Gordon himself. And since the contract isn't obscene and Farnsworth was the best available, it's a good signing. I just hope the Yanks continue to look for quality relievers and don't just assume they can plug Farnsworth into the Gordon role. 

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TheMojoPin

11-30-2005, 05:08 PM

Farnsworth?In NEW YORK?Heh.Hah....BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAAAAAH!!!I make two predictions...he either goes on a bender to end all benders and mysteriously vanishes sometime before the ASB...or he picks a fight with the entire crowd at Yankee stadium the first time he cries after blowing a save and is torn to pieces.Either way, this is going to be SUPREMELY entertaining.Oh, and 2006 is an even year.  Check his stats...Farnsie BLOWS in even years.

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11-30-2005, 05:30 PM

Mojo, you want to hear something
REALLY (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster&action=login&appRedirect=h ttp%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2fin dex%3fname%3dolney_buster#20051130)
nuts? Some people want Nomar to be a one year solution for Yankee
centerfield. 
This has actually been making the rounds lately. I think its nuts on so many levels.  

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11-30-2005, 05:44 PM

quote: Oh, and 2006 is an even year.  Check his stats...Farnsie BLOWS in even years.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> Dancing with the women at the bar... << He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."Somebody needs to send in an application to ESPN! 

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12-01-2005, 06:34 PM

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