Yankees offseason Speculation Thread [Archive] - Page 2

Crippler

12-02-2005, 11:57 AM

quote: Dan Patrick just reported on his radio show...Juan Pierre to the yanks  Just like Kenny Lofton, this move might have come too late.  But (assuming this is true) I love the fact that, at the very least, this allows Jeter to move back to # 2 in the order where he belongs. <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=spe5150" border="0" />

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TheMojoPin

12-02-2005, 12:02 PM

Nooooooooooooooooooooo...I wanted Pierre and Furcal at the top of the Cubs' order so fucking bad I could taste it...and now the Furcal thing is looking HUGELY iffy the longer there's no answer.  The Cubs are SO scerwed if both of these options fall through.And does anyone have any confirmation of this?  If it's true, the Marlins got fleeced.  I know they wanna save some money, but come on.  Even in the Yankees' farm system these guys stink as pitchers.

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spoon

12-02-2005, 02:23 PM

I haven't found a single mention of this move.

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HBox

12-02-2005, 02:25 PM

It's just Dan Patrick jumping the gun. Depending on what the Yanks give up for Pierre if they end up with him, I could be anywhere from thrilled to mortified. 

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Bulldogcakes

12-02-2005, 04:16 PM

The deal I heard was Sean Henn and Scott Proctor for Pierre. At that
price, you'd be nuts NOT to take him. We'll see what he can do, and
even if he doesn't work out maybe you flip him mid season for someone
else. Or just let him go free agent at the end of the year. I
know he's coming off a bad season (for him) but this is his contract
year, so I'd expect him to be extra motivated to have a good season. 
Plus his idol growing up was Mickey Rivers. Knowing a thing or
two about Rivers off the field habits, I'm not sure if that's a good
thing.  BTW-ESPN radio has scooped the FAN on these deals about 9 out of 10 times. 

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Bulldogcakes

12-04-2005, 08:50 AM

<h1>Report: Yankees lost $50 to $85 million for 2005 season</h1>
 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2247401)

Despite drawing more than four million fans, a payroll of $200
million plus an additional $110 million in revenue sharing and luxury
taxes has left the Yankees in the red, according to the paper.
 

The
paper also reports that the Yankees might have to open up their
checkbooks even further if a consultant hired by MLB decides the team
undervalued their television rights.
The Yankees currently charge
the YES Network about $60 million a year to broadcast games, but if
it's found to be undervalued, the Yankees will have to make up the
difference put more money into the revenue-sharing fund, the paper
reported.
"They're going to owe us money," one MLB source predicted to the paper.
The
final numbers won't be crunched for a few months, but it's believed the
final number will be roughly $80 million when all is tallied. According
to Forbes magazine, the Yankees lost $37.1 million in 2004.
 
 
Amazing. Might explain why they're in no rush to replace the 50 mil that came off the books this year. Also
explains why they announced a new stadium, which they'll be financing.
New stadium funds are deducted from the luxury tax.  

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spoon

12-04-2005, 10:29 PM

It also means we might finally see a leveling off of the talent gap between the top tier teams and the bottom.  This seems like a good sign that there is a limit as to how much a team can spend in sight.  Queen George's days of buying everything seem to be over.  Yet he'll still buy a ton, just not everything.  Also, other teams might want to take a look at the losses and step back from getting near that 150/200 million dollar mark.  If the Yanks can't make it profitable, not many others can??  And even then the situation must work out close to perfect.  However, I'll believe it once it becomes a fact/trend with the league.

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cougarjake13

12-06-2005, 01:22 PM

congrats to spoon   a.j. burnett signs with toronto<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5142994">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5142994</a>the al east may get a little tighter this year

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12-06-2005, 02:30 PM

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Snoogans

12-06-2005, 02:31 PM

jake, why did you post that in the Yankee offseason thread instead of the MLB one, since its a toronto move 

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Crippler

12-06-2005, 07:34 PM

He was just playing the odds & figured spoon would see it here first.

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HBox

12-06-2005, 09:16 PM

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Bulldogcakes

12-07-2005, 02:55 AM

<a target="blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2250647">Yanks lose Pierre to Cubs</a> quote:
The <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=fla">Florida Marlins</a> have tentatively agreed on a four-player deal that would send <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6550">Juan Pierre</a> to the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=chn">Chicago Cubs</a>, for three young pitchers -- <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7186">Sergio Mitre</a> and prospects Renyel Pinto and Ricky Nolasco, ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reported early Wednesday.  Yanks could have had him for Scott Proctor and Sean Henn. I hope Cashman has a plan here. . . . .   BTW-The MLB thread doesn't work, and hasn't worked for 2 days. Feel free to tell a Mod, I already did. 

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TheMojoPin

12-07-2005, 06:21 AM

Well, it gives the Cubs a concrete leadoff hitter, which prevents Dusty Baker from doing any of his crazy "Neifi Perez batting in the top spot" shenanigans.  Honestly, I really wanted Pierre to bat leadoff in front of Furcal, but hey, he's a guy who'll create havoc on the base paths.  They REALLY need some power in RF now.  Still wouldn't mind them picking up Milton Bardley for that spot.

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Crippler

12-07-2005, 08:15 AM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2250647" target="blank">Yanks lose Pierre to Cubs</a>DAMNIT!!  What's left out there for the Yanks to do at this point?  Do they really plan on going into the season without a single (significant) move & contend in this division?

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HBox

12-07-2005, 10:58 AM

Yanks could have had him for Scott Proctor and Sean Henn. I hope Cashman has a plan here. . . . That was never confirmed, and besides, the Cubs offer beats Henn and Proctor.Not the worst thing that could happen. There are still options out there. And it's not like Pierre is an All-Star or anything. 

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cougarjake13

12-07-2005, 11:26 AM

espn is reporting that pierre is going to the cubbies pending a physical

Bulldogcakes

12-07-2005, 04:10 PM

quote: quote:Yanks could have had him for Scott Proctor and Sean Henn. I hope Cashman has a plan here. . . . That was never confirmed, and besides, the Cubs offer beats Henn and Proctor.Actually
its a worse deal. A young, mediocre big leager and 2 AA ballplayer with
good #s in AA and bad numbers in AAA. The CLASSIC definition of "Fringe
prospects". At least Sean Henn had GOOD #s in AAA last year. Proctor
and Mitre are a wash. 
 
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 H-Box, dont fall into the trap of thinking the Yanks
have to overpay for everything, and everyone else's prospects are
valuable and ours are worthless. Thats what the local talk show hosts
try to make everyone believe, and then they take calls from idiots all
day who want Albert Pugols for a bag of balls. Neither is correct. Look
at the deals that are actually made. You never get equal value for star
players. You'll generally trade your headache for someone else's. Or
you get a few mid level prospects for a salary dump. Thats 99% of the
deals that get done. 
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RingWraith

12-07-2005, 04:48 PM

I can deal with Bubba Crosby this year at center.  I mean, give the guy a shot.  Besides, I think they'll be better free agents next year to look at if Bubba doesn't work out. 

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Bulldogcakes

12-07-2005, 04:58 PM

He's had a shot. He's 29. Why they didn't get Juan Pierre is beyond me.
The reports I heard was the MARLINS asked for Henn and Proctor, and
Cashman turned it down. 

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HBox

12-07-2005, 05:00 PM

At least Sean Henn had GOOD #s in AAA last year.He also missed the last month of the season with a shoulder injury. Still, he might have been the best prospect in discussion, but not by much. However, Proctor and Mitre are absolutely NOT a wash. Proctor is now no longer a prospect and officially a bad reliever. He's 4 years older than Mitre and his numbers are getting worse. Mitre is 24 and while his numbers are still bad they've been improving. There's much more room for improvement. If Henn and Proctor would have beaten this offer in the Marlins eyes, I'm 110% sure Cashman would have made the deal.And remember, there's still options out there. Brad Wilkerson and Milton Bradley come to mind. One is already better than Pierre, the other could eventually be.

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Bulldogcakes

12-07-2005, 05:08 PM

Milton Bradley? The man is psychotic, he'd crack under the pressure
in a month and end up like Pvt Lawrence in "Full Metal Jacket", taking
out George and himself in a bathroom stall. <img width="350" height="250" border="0" src="http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews9/full-metal-jacket/full-metal-jacket-PDVD_00901.jpg" />

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HBox

12-07-2005, 05:09 PM

<a href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-sbyanks064541230dec06,0,6381223.story?coll=ny-sports-print" target="_blank">Newsday says the Marlins insisted on Robinson Cano in a Juan Pierre trade.</a>With a much more interesting note as well:Cashman, meanwhile, spent the first day of the winter meetings in his
suite here at the Wyndham Anatole, hosting various GMs and agents about
centerfield and bullpen candidates. 
 While the cost-cutting Marlins still are refusing to lower their
asking price of Robinson Cano for Juan Pierre, they have begun to tell
teams that every player on their roster - including Dontrelle Willis
and Miguel Cabrera - is available for the right price. 
 The Yankees threw out the names of Cano and Chien-Ming Wang in
passing as possibilities for Willis, the Marlins' dynamic lefthander,
but the Marlins told them it would take a lot more than that, according
to a person familiar with the negotiations. If I could get Willis and Cabrera, I'd fucking empty the goddamned farm system, send them Wang and Cano, give them Pavano for free and offer Sheffield on top of all that. <a href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-sbyanks064541230dec06,0,6381223.story?coll=ny-sports-print" target="_blank"></a>

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Bulldogcakes

12-07-2005, 05:14 PM

quote: he might have been the best prospect in discussion, but not by much.  quote:
AAA
Games W
L
Innings
H
R ER
Walk
SO ERA 
Pinto
6 1
2
22.7 31
30 24
24
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Sean Henn 

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HBox

12-07-2005, 05:16 PM

What I meant was that Mitre could be seen as a better prospect. Let's not forget the Henn's two starts. Getting shelled by the Devil Rays isn't encouraging. Mitre has shown more in the big leagues, and they are the same age I think. 

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Bulldogcakes

12-07-2005, 05:25 PM

quote:<a target="_blank" href="http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-sbyanks064541230dec06,0,6381223.story?coll=ny-sports-print">Newsday says the Marlins insisted on Robinson Cano in a Juan Pierre trade.</a>Looking
at what they ACTUALLY GOT I'm not buying that for a second. Do you
think the Marlins asked the Yanks for the moon and everyone else for
crap? Why, to spite themselves? Thats C.Y.A. Yankee PR. They do
it all the time. Fans are probably barking at them for thier lack of
activity (and price increase for tix) so Cashman puts this out to cover
his ass. ITS EVEN A LOCAL PAPER FOR CRISSAKE! Find me something similar
from ESPN or a local Miami paper. 
 If
I could get Willis and Cabrera, I'd fucking empty the goddamned farm
system, send them Wang and Cano, give them Pavano for free and offer
Sheffield on top of all that. OK, now you're just being silly . . . .   

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HBox

12-07-2005, 05:33 PM

How about you tell me where you heard that Cashman turned down Henn and Proctor for Pierre, because I haven't heard that anywhere. 

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Bulldogcakes

12-07-2005, 05:54 PM

The Henn/Proctor deal was everywhere last week, I saw that
in
print (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nypost/20051202/sp_nypost/pierredealtoyankshasmarlinsperkin) and heard it on both sports radio stations. The cash-dumping Marlins have asked for lefty Sean Henn and right-handed reliever Scott Proctor for Pierre, Then
I kept hearing the Yanks were lukewarm, not really intersted. Then he
was traded to the Cubs. So I think its safe to say the Yanks were the
one's who passed on the deal. Look, its still December. But it
seems like alot of deals are passing them by. And if they plan on
fielding the same team as last year, with Johnson and Mussina both a
year older, I cant see how they can claim they're doing everything they
can to win.  

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TheMojoPin

12-07-2005, 08:27 PM

quote:  [quote]quote:  [quote]quote: Yanks could have had him for Scott Proctor and Sean Henn. I hope Cashman has a plan here. . . .  That was never confirmed, and besides, the Cubs offer beats Henn and Proctor.Actually its a worse deal. A young, mediocre big leager and 2 AA ballplayer with good #s in AA and bad numbers in AAA. The CLASSIC definition of "Fringe prospects". At least Sean Henn had GOOD #s in AAA last year. Proctor and Mitre are a wash. AAA                       Games     W    L        Innings       H       R    ER       Walk           SO          ERAPinto                          6         1    2          22.7         31     30    24         24             24          9.53 <table class="contentsmall" height="12" cellspacing="0" width="584" align="center" border="0"><tr><td align="left"> </td><td align="right"> </td><td align="right"> </td><td align="right"> </td><td align="right"> </td><td align="right"> </td><td align="right"> </td><td align="right"> </td><td align="right"> </td><td align="right"> </td><td align="right"> </td><td align="right"> </td></tr></table><table class="fchartbkg" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" width="602" border="0"><tr><td class="frow2">Velasco </td><td class="frow2"> </td><td class="frow2"> </td><td class="frow2">9</td><td class="frow2"> </td><td class="frow2">2</td><td class="frow2">3</td><td class="frow2"> </td><td class="frow2"> </td><td class="frow2"> </td><td class="frow2">40.0</td><td class="frow2">68</td><td class="frow2">42</td><td class="frow2">42</td><td class="frow2"> </td><td class="frow2">16</td><td class="frow2">28</td><td class="frow2">9.30</td></tr></table>H-Box, dont fall into the trap of thinking the Yanks have to overpay for everything, and everyone else's prospects are valuable and ours are worthless. Thats what the local talk show hosts try to make everyone believe, and then they take calls from idiots all day who want Albert Pugols for a bag of balls. Neither is correct. Look at the deals that are actually made. You never get equal value for star players. You'll generally trade your headache for someone else's. Or you get a few mid level prospects for a salary dump. Thats 99% of the deals that get done. <img src="http://www.silentpix.com/hottub/bulldogsig/rotate.php" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldo

HBox

12-07-2005, 08:35 PM

The Henn/Proctor deal was everywhere last week, I saw that <a target="blank" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nypost/20051202/sp_nypost/pierredealtoyankshasmarlinsperkin">in print</a> and heard it on both sports radio stations.That rumor originated in a local paper too, the NY Post. Besides, the article I linked was printed before Pierre was traded, so I doubt it was CYA.And I'm completely serious about Willis and Cabrera. A #1 Cy Young hopeful starter and an All-Star slugger? Both in their early 20s? THAT'S what you empty your farm system for. Unfortunately, that little tidbit turned out to be false. The Marlins have apparently decided not to trade EVERYBODY. 

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12-08-2005, 12:56 AM

quote: WHAT THE FUCK MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!! TORONTO IS BUYING THE PENNANT MAAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANY WINS THEY GET WILL BE TAINTED MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!!!! HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR TAINTED PENNANT MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE'S THE FAIRNESS, MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN?????!?!?!?!?!?!? <img src="http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4544/newsig2ki.jpg" border="0" /> Far from it.  Even with the latest acquisition of Lyle Overbay (<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2251952">http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2251952</a>), the Jays still aren't even up to $75 million a year.  That's still less than half the Yankees total from last year alone.  So nice try.  Just think how off it was until they spent a little.  Even though I'm sure they overpaid a little, being a Canadian team on the rebound forced them to up the price tag in order to get them.  The next for signings will come easier and easier.  Granted, they have to put some W's on the board.  If Lilly and Halladay stayed healthy last year one can assume at least 8-10 more wins at least.  Especially since both eat up a lot of innings keeping their pen fresh.  When they went down, it was a diasaster.  If they got those wins they'd be in the 90 win area.  So now add those two for 2006, a much better closer (BJ) which allows Batista to be a starter or setup man, another top pitcher (AJ), and some much needed power (not blinding power, but some) Lyle, along with hopefully a full year from Koskie as well and the Blue Jays could be looking real good.  Hell, they are a young team with another year under it's belt and a few new vetrans to help lead them there.  Should be fun.  It's just nice to see them with a few bucks to spend again. 

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12-08-2005, 01:05 AM

quote: He was just playing the odds & figured spoon would see it here first. <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=spe5150" border="0" /> That was funny, yet this is the only MLB thread that seems to work anyway. 

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12-08-2005, 01:22 AM

How do you say this: "H-Box, dont fall into the trap of thinking the Yanks have to overpay for everything, and everyone else's prospects are valuable and ours are worthless. Thats what the local talk show hosts try to make everyone believe, and then they take calls from idiots all day who want Albert Pugols for a bag of balls. Neither is correct. Look at the deals that are actually made. You never get equal value for star players. You'll generally trade your headache for someone else's. Or you get a few mid level prospects for a salary dump. Thats 99% of the deals that get done."  And follow it up with this: "The Henn/Proctor deal was everywhere last week, I saw that <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nypost/20051202/sp_nypost/pierredealtoyankshasmarlinsperkin" target="blank">in print</a> and heard it on both sports radio stations. "   

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12-08-2005, 01:27 AM

My personal feelings on Mitre vs. Proctor is that Mitre had more upside and is indeed 4 years younger.  I can't remember one good game Proctor had against the Jays with multiple outings to his credit.  However, Toronto face Mitre once and he shut them down hard, possibly one of the games Mojo spoke of.  Other then that, I haven't seen enough of him to give you a real feel.  Yet what I did see was impressive.  He has some good major league stuff in him.  I've yet to see that once from Proctor, and I've seen him a lot more.  Sure he has some heat, but it usually ends up right over the plate with zero movement.  Can anyone say batting practice? 

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12-08-2005, 03:05 AM

<a target="blank" href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051207&content_id=1278051&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy">Looks
like Bernie's coming back!!</a>Good
news. Not signed yet, but offering arbitration signals they have an
interest in keeping him and are not far apart on $. It wont go to
arbitration. George has always
been good to guys that are loyal to the organization. He'll take the
Ruben Sierra role this year. And if they go into the season with Bubba
as their everyday centerfielder, he'll probably be the starting CF by
mid May (then lose his job again by the trade deadline). I hope he
retires as a Yankee, and they'll give him a day when that happens. 

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HBox

12-08-2005, 12:14 PM

<a target="_blank" href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279442&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy">Yanks sign Mike Myers.</a>Ehhh, it helps with the bullpen depth. And I feel more comfortable with Myers as the get out the lefties guy than I do with Al Leiter. Good, I guess.EDIT: Oh yeah, the Yanks also got rid of Tony Womack, trading him to the Reds for a couple of "prospects." <a target="_blank" href="http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279442&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy"></a>

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HBox

12-08-2005, 12:18 PM

Since the general MLB offseason thread is still broken, how fucking shocked are you guys that Boston traded Renteria? After they already traded Hanley Ramirez? WTF? Nomar returning to Boston rumors starting in 3...2...1..... 

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12-08-2005, 12:35 PM

<a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051207&content_id=1278029&vkey=hotstove2005&fext=.jsp" target="_blank">HOLY SHIT! I have no idea how the Red Sox managed to get Mark Loretta for only Doug Mirabelli.</a> 

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12-08-2005, 01:03 PM

quote: jake, why did you post that in the Yankee offseason thread instead of the MLB one, since its a toronto move <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Snoogans194" border="0" /> GO SAWX!!!!! Hassan Eats Dick!!! Snoogans 1, Monitor 0 GIMMIE MY FUCKIN CHANGE, I AINT PLAYIN WIT YOU i tried to post in the mlb thread but it wasnt working and still doesnt seem to be but i didnt want to create a new mlb thread in case the old one got fixed so i just posted it here

cougarjake13

12-08-2005, 01:06 PM

also yanks traded tony womack to cincy for prospects<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5151026">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5151026</a>

Crippler

12-08-2005, 01:20 PM

quote: Since the general MLB offseason thread is still broken, how fucking shocked are you guys that Boston traded Renteria? After they already traded Hanley Ramirez? WTF? Nomar returning to Boston rumors starting in 3...2...1..... <img src="http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4544/newsig2ki.jpg" border="0" /> ...for Marte?!  How many fuckin' 3Bs do they have now...Marte, Lowell, Youkilis...do they still have Graffanino or Mueller under contract?

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12-08-2005, 01:32 PM

I was thinking maybe we could get Claudell Washington back to centerfield for the Yankee Train....just a thought, really.....

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12-08-2005, 03:49 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2252946" target="_blank">And, all of a sudden, Boston's Renteria trade makes a shitload more sense.</a>I'm not sure if they got a heads up on that one, or all of a sudden just got really lucky, but now they have a top tier prospect and a hole a SS to fill. <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2252946" target="_blank"></a>

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12-08-2005, 04:17 PM

This is the busiest winter meetings I can ever remember.     Unless, of course, you're a Yankee fan. . . . . . .  

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HBox

12-08-2005, 04:22 PM

My concepts for what constitues a fair trade have been blown away by that Loretta trade. How the hell does a team get an All-Satr second baseman for a backup catcher!? The Marlins want Cano for a slightly above average CF, and the Red Sox can get Loretta for a 36 year old backup catcher! WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT THE FUCK! 

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Bulldogcakes

12-08-2005, 04:39 PM

Thats what I was talking about before. Its not JUST about the
baseball side of the equation. There's contracts involved, legnth of
contract remaining, balance sheet of the franchise, etc. And
ANY negotiation is ultimately about what someone's willing to pay for
it. If you need to move someone, and X is your best offer, then thats
what he's worth. Thats how the Mets ended up with Xavier Nady. And I still dont believe the Marlins insisted on Cano.  

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A.J.

12-08-2005, 11:09 PM

Olerud, Millar, Mueller, Mirabelli and Renteria gone.Looks like Youkilis will be starting at first...so far.And with Miguel Tejada asking to be traded...who knows?

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12-08-2005, 11:21 PM

Thats what I was talking
about before. Its not JUST about the baseball side of the equation.
There's contracts involved, legnth of contract remaining, balance sheet
of the franchise, etc. And
ANY negotiation is ultimately about what someone's willing to pay for
it. If you need to move someone, and X is your best offer, then thats
what he's worth. Thats how the Mets ended up with Xavier Nady.I find it hard to believe that no other team in the league could come up with more for Loretta. He's only making 2.75 million, although he is 34, older than I thought. But look at his stats in 2004 and 2003, probably the best 2B in the NL behind Vidro. Last year he was slowed by injury, but that can't hurt his value THIS MUCH. I mean, all it took was Doug Mirabelli! DOUG MIRABELLI! This is the kind of trade that, if MLB was a fantasy league, every owner in the league would fucking rush to file a protest at the first sight of it. I'm freaking astounded. I just don't understand what was going on in Kevin Towers mind. He couldn't have gotten a worse offer, and yet he took it. 

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Bulldogcakes

12-09-2005, 02:16 AM

I know what Cashman is going to say about the Yankees lack of activity in the off season. Team lost moneyThey had the best record in Baseball after they changed the team with Cano and WangNot any really good CF's available now, more will be available at the trade deadline.  Now
that they've announced their new stadium, they wont be paying any/much
luxury tax since stadium funds are deducted from that. Thats their
losses right there. Plus the 10% ticket increase. 
Nobody
in the AL had a great regular season last year. And now alot of teams, notably two in their division, are
significantly better. But the Yanks have stood still. Thats a recipe
for falling behind, and they took first place on the last day of the
season, so its not like there's margin for error. Plus the Yanks aren't
about the regular season anyway, and this team didn't get past the
first round in the playoffs. 
Who says you have to get a permanent solution at CF? You just
need someone better than Bubba Crosby. Juan Pierre would have been
fine, and if you dont love him you send him away at the trade deadline
or let him walk at the end of the year. 

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cougarjake13

12-10-2005, 05:20 AM

they'll probably just start the season with bernie and crosby and if by the deadline they aint cutting it they'll go after someone, depending who is out of the race by then, or maybe they are waiting till spring training  

HBox

12-16-2005, 02:13 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2262922" target="_blank">Yanks acquire Ron Villone.</a>Continue to deepen that bullpen. <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2262922" target="_blank"></a>

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12-16-2005, 03:35 PM

Yank Train never stop! Boom-boom, zoom-zoom, Yankee Train!

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12-16-2005, 03:42 PM

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12-16-2005, 03:44 PM

Damn the Blue Jay Go Cart to Hades!!!

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12-18-2005, 06:15 AM

I guess I'll put this in the Yankee thread, since the MLB thread STILL doesn't work[http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2264252]

<h1>Garciaparra agrees to one-year deal with Dodgers</h1>

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