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El Mudo

09-29-2005, 06:46 AM

Get ready to debate...cause this one's a doozy...Eddy Curry
currently plays for the Bulls (well technically he's a FA) but he has
heart issues.  Before the Bulls resign him, they want him to
submit to DNA testing to see if he's predisposed to any heart related
issues...What we're getting at here is basically Curry's Right to Privacy vs. The Bulls right to protect their investment...As
for myself, I would tend to side with Curry...there's no way I'd want
any one to look at my DNA and disqualify me for employment on that
situation alone...Stay tuned...this could get very interesting...http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2174877

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Tall_James

09-29-2005, 06:48 AM

Try and trade him.  See if anyone bites.  If not, the problem is much bigger.

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TheMojoPin

09-29-2005, 06:52 AM

So what can he do to assure the Bulls they'll somehow get a return in their investment of him if he drops dead while playing for the team?Not to sound cold, but being a pro athlete, the condition of your heart is pretty goddamn important to your job security.  Besides, whouldn't he want to know himself whether or not his heart is going to explode if he just passes the ball?

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HBox

09-29-2005, 07:01 AM

Where does this stop? Can an employer now test your
DNA to see if you are more predisposed to cancer? That would be a heavy
cost to their insurance and would be a significant loss to their
workforce. If shit like this was allowed I would never be able to get a
job. 

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Tall_James

09-29-2005, 07:14 AM

The irregular heartbeat is a pre-existing condition that manifested itself while he was under contract.  That contract (from what I understand) has expired.  In negotiating,  the Bulls are in the right in wanting to protect their investment.   

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Fallon

09-29-2005, 07:40 AM

Nobody wants another Reggie Lewis. 

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HBox

09-29-2005, 07:53 AM

Eddy Curry's heart and anything that might be wrong
with it is his business. What he want to do and how he wants to treat
it are his business. The Bulls have no right to start digging through
his DNA trying to find things that might possibly be wrong with him at
some point under some circumstances. 

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walking joint

09-29-2005, 07:58 AM

What he want to do and how he wants to treat it are his business. The Bulls have no right to start digging through his DNA trying to find things that might possibly be wrong with him at some point under some circumstances. I couldn't disagree more.  If the guy is going to sign a 5 year $25 million contract the Bulls should know this guy is going to be capable of fulfilling that contract.  if his heart conditon comes up in the first month, he still gets 5 years worth of money.  this is why he can't find anyone to insure his heart either.

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09-29-2005, 08:11 AM

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Uncle Smokey

09-29-2005, 08:11 AM

The Bulls absolutely have the right to protect their investment and limit their liablity.  When you hire an athlete, you're paying for his body's performance.  If you have reason to suspect that performance could be compromised, it's perfectly warranted to include those concerns in your negotiations.  And, honestly, if there is a credible medical test to determine if this is more than a benign fibrillation, it would to totally irresponsible not to pursue it.  On the other hand, hiring someone with a bad heart might be good luck for the Bulls.  Scottie Pippen had no heart at all, and look how they made out back then <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/flush.gif" border="0" />

HBox

09-29-2005, 08:14 AM

I couldn't disagree more. 
If the guy is going to sign a 5 year $25 million contract the Bulls
should know this guy is going to be capable of fulfilling that
contract.  if his heart conditon comes up in the first month, he still
gets 5 years worth of money.  this is why he can't find anyone to
insure his heart either.They
are allowed to give him a physical and check his current condition.
What we are talking about is taking DNA tests and trying to figure out
what might possibly happen to him in the future. That's WAY over the
line. How would you like it if you went into an interview and they made
you take a DNA test, and then they turn you away because, even though
you are currently in great health, you show an increased risk factor
for heart disease and diabtetes, and the company doesn't want to deal
with those increased insurance costs and risks? We are not talking
about anything that is currently wrong with Curry, the Bulls want to
find out what might possibly be wrong with Curry at some point in the
future.Don't think I'm insensitive to this cardiomyopathy thing,
either. My father almost died from it, and I am at risk for it. I fully
understand the seriousness of this condition. 

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HBox

09-29-2005, 08:16 AM

And let's not overstate the investment here,
either. They are making Curry submit to this test before signing a ONE
YEAR contract. This isn't a massive, long-term
investment. 

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walking joint

09-29-2005, 08:25 AM

thats there settle for investment.  thats what he will probably get if he doesn't agree to take the DNA test.  then they lose him next year to free agency.  if he takes the test and passes they would try to lock him up longer term.and you know what...if a job wants to pay me this much money, they can have all the DNA they want from me.  

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HBox

09-29-2005, 08:30 AM

and you know what...if a job wants to pay me this much money, they can have all the DNA they want from me. 
Go ahead. You can jack it all over his face
if you like. The rest of us shouldn't be forced to.thats there settle for investment.  thats what he will probably get if he doesn't agree to take the DNA test.No,
they only offered him a one year contract, and won't let him play
unless he submits to the DNA test. From the article: At issue is the one-year, $5 million deal Chicago offered Curry,
with this proviso: before he sets foot on the court, Curry must
submit to DNA testing.

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TheMojoPin

09-29-2005, 08:37 AM

Look, you need your heart to be working at tip-top shape to be an athlete, bottom line.  Anything less is potentially fatal.  This is as much for his own protection as it is for the Bulls as a team, employer and business.  It's not like they're trying to push for these tests for any reason besides seeing if the guy is going to die on the fucking court!

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walking joint

09-29-2005, 08:43 AM

No, they only offered him a one year contract, and won't let him play unless he submits to the DNA test. From the article:that isn't looking at the whole picture though.  if he checks out okay he will get the bigger contract.  so the investment is potentially much bigger.  

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Death Metal Moe

09-29-2005, 08:43 AM

It's not like they're trying to push for these tests for any reason besides seeing if the guy is going to die on the fucking court!LET HIM PLAY!!!

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TheMojoPin

09-29-2005, 08:46 AM

This man's job depends on the condition of his heart, period.  In the bigger, seemingly obvious to everyone except the retarded picture, so does his life.  He is an athlete that has to participate in strenuous physical activity on a near daily basis that taxes his heart.  Doing his job without checking out his heart could lose him his job...BY KILLING HIM.I can't believe this idiot doesn't want to find out whether or not playing basketball might kill him.

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walking joint

09-29-2005, 08:49 AM

Mojo...i hate that sig pic.  for some reason that Burger King dude freaks me out.

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TheMojoPin

09-29-2005, 08:50 AM

Dude, he only wants to bring you meat...on meat...on meat...ON MEAT.

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HBox

09-29-2005, 08:51 AM

All Curry has is arrythmia, or irregular
heartbeat. I don't know if there is any family history of
cardiomyopathy with Curry, but that is easy to figure out and likely
known by both parties. Just because you have arrythmia doesn't mean you
are at any higher risk for cardiomyopathy. The combination of those two
is lethal, but there are other ways to find out if he's at risk.I'm
fucking at risk for this exact same thing and no doctor has ever even
suggested that a DNA test was neccessary. I've had EKGs and
echocardiograms and heart catheterizations. My doctors are satisifed.
This is trampling over privacy rights so that the Bulls can pinch
pennies.And whose to say that Curry hasn't had the test? Maybe he just doesn't want the Bulls to have access to it.

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HBox

09-29-2005, 08:53 AM

And let me clarify something AGAIN: They are not
trying to get Curry to take any kind of test that would indicate any
CURRENT condition. If Curry has Cardiomyopathy RIGHT NOW they know it.
They are trying to find out if he is at risk for developing it in the
future. 

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JimBeam

09-29-2005, 08:54 AM

So they should sign him and then when he dies his family sues the team and the leauge for not doing enough to protect him ?Like that wouldnt happen.

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walking joint

09-29-2005, 08:54 AM

i think they have every right to ask. just as he has every right to say no and sit out the season.  if his DNA privacy is worth $5 million to him, then he should be okay with not playing this year.

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Death Metal Moe

09-29-2005, 08:56 AM

All of a sudden these people care about a heart condition, but they turn their back to big stars doing drugs, shooting people and all other forms of dangerous behavior?  Fuck them all.  There's way too much money in sports.  I wish I cared.

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HBox

09-29-2005, 08:56 AM

i think they have every right to ask. just as he has every right to say
no and sit out the season.  if his DNA privacy is worth $5 million to
him, then he should be okay with not playing this year.Well, luckily there are laws to prevent that kind of lunacy from happening.

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TheMojoPin

09-29-2005, 09:05 AM

I'm fucking at risk for this exact same thing and no doctor has ever even suggested that a DNA test was neccessary.BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A FUCKING ATHLETE.I had to go through the same series of tests when I had what turned out to be nothing more than minor stress-induced panic attacks.  My job doesn't require it because I'm not reguarly putting added strain on my heart working like an athlete does.  You DO understand the difference, right?  Something that might not be serious for people with "normal" jobs may be worsened by someone who does extreme physical activity multiple times a week in high stress siutations.The Bulls are doing this for two reasons...they don't want to lost $5 million bucks on a bust, and they don't want a player dying in a fucking game.  It's not like they're asking for this out of the blue.  When you have pro athletes actually dying from playing due to heart conditions these days, can you blame teams for being more cautious?

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HBox

09-29-2005, 09:10 AM

I feel like Tom Cruise by saying this, but you
don't understand the condition. It doesn't matter if you are sleeping
or if you a running a marathon, Cardiomyopathy+Arrythmia=Death.
Exercise doesn't increase risk for either condition. 

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TheMojoPin

09-29-2005, 09:13 AM

What if there's something else?

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HBox

09-29-2005, 09:20 AM

What if there's something wrong with every other
player on the team? There has to be a line drawn somewhere. The tem has
a right to know eveything that is wrong with a player at the current
time through physicals and tests. If a player has a history of knee
problems doctors examine the knee and the team decides if they want to
sign the player. The Bulls have done this to Curry's heart. Now they
want to try and look into the future. So what happens if Curry has a
risk for Cardiomyopathy? He doesn't have it now and there's no
guarantee he ever will, but he will now either have to play for peanuts
or just retire. Or what if he doesn't have any increased risk for
cardiomyopathy, but they find something else? Then what? Is that fair?I
know everyone wants to shit on athletes because they makes tons more
money than they deserve. But try and imagine your employer pulling this
shit on you. 

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Tall_James

09-29-2005, 09:22 AM

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TheMojoPin

09-29-2005, 09:23 AM

I just look at this differently because it's an athlete and it's his heart and there's been several pro athletes dying while being active players because of heart issues brought on by their sport.

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HBox

09-29-2005, 09:28 AM

The fact that he's an athlete is irrelevant to the
condition. There are ways to monitor and look for and protect Curry
from this condition short of DNA tests. It's unneccessary. The Bulls,
despite whatever they say, are acting solely in their own interests.
They are likely forcing Curry to submit to the test so they can decide
if they want to offer him a long term deal. It's not neccessary to the
current deal they are offering him. 

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Snoogans

09-29-2005, 09:30 AM

I just look at this differently because it's an athlete and it's his
heart and there's been several pro athletes dying while being active
players because of heart issues brought on by their sport. I
see the points of Mojo and HBox, but im kinda leaning with HBox here.
First off, if you did this to every NBA player, alot more then just him
would have these problems. Alot of athletes in the past have had heart
conditions, passed physicals, and played years longer with nothing
negative happening. To me I see this like a job refusing to hire me
because I smoke, and so that could give me cancer in 25 years. Even if
they find something he could end up with, you are still guessing that
it will or will not happen down the line.  

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Tall_James

09-29-2005, 09:31 AM

The Bulls, despite whatever they say, are acting solely in their own interests.Welcome to Capitalism.

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DarkHippie

09-29-2005, 09:32 AM

Athletes are no different from any other citizen.  If he doesn't wish to give a DNA sample, they can't force him, nor can they use that as an excuse to fire him.  If any thing falls under privacy laws, its your own freakin DNA!

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HBox

09-29-2005, 09:35 AM

Welcome to Capitalism.And
that's why we have laws reigning it in.. This whole debate really is a
moot point. If Curry doesn't want to give the test, he won't and won't
be forced to. Laws say he doesn't have to, the NBA Collective
Bargaining Agreement says he doesn't have to. That's how it
is.

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JimBeam

09-29-2005, 10:17 AM

But its also not your right to play in the NBA because you have to be selected.If they make this part of their selection criteria then its a moot point.Its not like you can just go down to the NBA offices and say " Hey I wanna play and you have to let me becuase there are EEO laws "Its ridiculous to even relate the " average " worker to a pro athlete/superstar.

I have balls !!!

HBox

09-29-2005, 11:03 AM

But its also not your right to play in the NBA because you have to be selectedAt
the same time, your employer doesn't have the right to invade your
privacy just because they decide hire you.And don't discount the
comparison. The same kind of laws that will protect Curry here will
protect you if your employer tries shenanigans. 

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JimBeam

09-29-2005, 11:18 AM

As far as provacy goes my employer doesnt have the right to flash my face across the TV without my consent but I doubt a basketball player has any such right.Obvioulsy there are differences.

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whitefolks

09-29-2005, 11:41 AM

I just read the article, it seems to be the concern of everyone
involved that he can not get insurance coverage for this condition, and
whats the team's liability if he drops dead in the middle of practice
or a game. They pretty much answered their own question,
let an arbitrator decide, and let the risk managers determine his
eligilibity. The team is requesting, not demanding a DNA sample. But like the end of the article states, " 

 "If I'm the team, let the insurance be your guide," Stanley
said. "The insurance won't insure it, that should tell you
something. They've got the biggest group of risk managers.
 "Now maybe they're wrong," he added. "But if you lose the
bet, you don't just lose the player. The player dies."
  

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Yosammity

09-29-2005, 03:10 PM

They have the right to ask for it.He has a right to refuse and sign with another team.

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Death Metal Moe

09-29-2005, 03:17 PM

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09-29-2005, 04:51 PM

He does not have to submit to this!Just pay the ghetto sluts he bangs to drain their pussies into a test tube.

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HBox

10-03-2005, 06:01 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2180298" target="_blank">The
story is over, the Bulls dealt Curry to the Knicks rather than go to
arbitration and be forced to sign him without the DNA test.</a> 

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El Mudo

10-03-2005, 06:41 PM

I read in that other article, the one on the trade...If he was found to have a genetic defect, the Bulls woulda paid him 400,000 annually for the next 50 years....

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