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DJEvelEd

07-27-2005, 09:26 AM

We live in a police state now so until our government gets overthrown, we will be needing our papers to pass checkpoints and may even have to start bribing police like they do in 3rd world countries.-BULLETIN- The terrorists won!!!!! The terrorists won!!!! They are pointing and laughing at us!!! The terrorists won!!! The terrorists won!!!!!What really scares me is that people WANT a police state. Wow that's scary! They are doing random searches on the Bayonne light rail now. What happens if you are already on the train and they ask to search you. If I say no will they just kick me off the train? What a waste of resources because while they are following me for refusing to open my bag(which I certainly will) an Anthony Cumia lookin terrorist will slip by.   <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> ........... <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> PUTTING THE FUNNY IN PRESENTLY SEEN DEPTHS SPONSORED BY:"THE FÆCES™OF CÆSAR" BY ÆSOP ©464 B.C. <img src="http://64.177.177.182/katylina/shockposters.jpg" border="0" />

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07-27-2005, 10:18 AM

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."-Ben Franklin

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DJEvelEd

07-27-2005, 10:19 AM

...and when I do get thrown off the train for refusing the Gestapo's access to my bag, how long to I have to stay off the train for? 1 minute? 1 hour? Will they assign someone to watch/follow me? How much will our taxes go up to pay for all these searches?<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> ........... <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> PUTTING THE FUNNY IN PRESENTLY SEEN DEPTHS SPONSORED BY:"THE FÆCES™OF CÆSAR" BY ÆSOP ©464 B.C. <img src="http://64.177.177.182/katylina/shockposters.jpg" border="0" />

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Furtherman

07-27-2005, 10:19 AM

It is an unfortunate side effect of the times we live in now.But if a police office wants to look in my bag, go right ahead officer.  I have nothing to hide and if these searches deters just one asshole from thinking he might not be able get a bomb onto a bus or a subway, that is fine by me.I'm surprised they cut back on the searches of trucks entering the tunnels here in NYC.  I'm more worrired about a truck bomb in the tunnel then a suicide bomber on a subway or bus.

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07-27-2005, 10:26 AM

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tbonesteak

07-27-2005, 10:28 AM

quote: It is an unfortunate side effect of the times we live in now.But if a police office wants to look in my bag, go right ahead officer.  I have nothing to hide and if these searches deters just one asshole from thinking he might not be able get a bomb onto a bus or a subway, that is fine by me.I'm surprised they cut back on the searches of trucks entering the tunnels here in NYC.  I'm more worrired about a truck bomb in the tunnel then a suicide bomber on a subway or bus.How can people so quickly accept what's going on out there as neccesary and good?  We lost a lot of freedom after 9/11 and we stand to lose a lot more.  

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DJEvelEd

07-27-2005, 10:32 AM

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." I knew there was a reason I liked $100.00 bills. Haven't people been killing each other for a few years now? Is murder/suicide something NEW that we need an excuse for a police state? REMEMBER PEOPLE, THIS ALL STARTED WITH A FRIGGIN BOX CUTTER!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU'RE ALL SO DAMN MISGUIDED!!!!!

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Furtherman

07-27-2005, 10:37 AM

"How can people so quickly accept what's going on out there as neccesary and good?  We lost a lot of freedom after 9/11 and we stand to lose a lot more."I don't think it's good, but if makes a suicide bomber think twice about getting on my bus or train, then yea, it's a little necessary.  As if the less than :30 seconds it would take for a police officer to see there is nothing in my bag is an inconvienence.   

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DJEvelEd

07-27-2005, 11:00 AM

How do you feel safer? If a bomber gets stopped by police, he's either going to walk away or blow himself up. The police can do NOTHING except start shooting them from a safe distance if they look like they might be a bomber. Furtherman, you want what the terrorists want, and that's NOT what I want. I liked it better when we were a free open society. If it's my time to go, it's my time man. I'm not going to pussify myself and cower to terrorists.Using the police state mentality, why don't we start searching everyone who enters a mall? Let's search everyone who enters a post office? Let's do movie theatres too. How about random searches at work? Don't forget the bars and restaurants. WAIT I KNOW!, lets create a list of SAFE people who can pay a fee to avoid being searched. Hey wait a minute now!!!!<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/dry.gif" border="0" /> Thats seems corruptable and subjective... hmmmm....<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> ........... <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> PUTTING THE FUNNY IN PRESENTLY SEEN DEPTHS SPONSORED BY:"THE FÆCES™OF CÆSAR" BY ÆSOP ©464 B.C. <img src="http://64.177.177.182/katylina/shockposters.jpg" border="0" />

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tbonesteak

07-27-2005, 11:06 AM

It's not the inconvenience I worry about.  It's the the general disregard for one of our most basic principles as a free nation.  What if they decided to open everyone's mail in order to prevent the spread of Anthrax?  Would it be worth it in order to save a few lives?  They have a crossed the line between precaution and oppression and no one seems to care.

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Furtherman

07-27-2005, 11:07 AM

"Furtherman, you want what the terrorists want, and that's NOT what I want."That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. I simply have no problem with them checking my bag before I get on the bus or train.  They've always checked my bag before I got on an airplane, not much difference there.  I use the NYC tunnels and subways - big targets.  I'd like to think I'm traveling safely.As for all the police state you mentioned, I doubt it would come to that, but if it did, I wouldn't stand for that.  

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tbonesteak

07-27-2005, 11:13 AM

Airports already had pretty tight security before 9/11.  You can't compare that with a MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM that has never had any type of secuirty in the past.  Also a airline is a privately owned entity whereas the MTA is paid for and operated by the public.

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DJEvelEd

07-27-2005, 11:17 AM

No man, this is the dumbest thing I ever heard:but if makes a suicide bomber think twice about getting on my bus or train, then yea, it's a little necessary. Do you really think that a suicide bomber is going to change his mind after years of training and preparation because a cop is standing in a doorway. If I was a suicide bomber I would run right at the police. Or even run past them into the closest crowd. I think the suicide bomber has thought twice and possibly even THREE times about his decision to kill himself for Allah....And how is something a little necessary? Can something be ALOT necessary? It's either necessary or not...I think definitely NOT!!!

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Mike Teacher

07-27-2005, 11:19 AM

That we live in a Police State is utter bullshit; no other comment needed, it's simply not so.There are people out there that design our deaths. To whoever said we lost rights on 9/11, others lost a bit more. For all the screaming and clamoring of the rights of the citizen; I have read on the net, exactly once, on the responsibilities and duties of the citizen, usually because people think they don't have any. This view is irresponsible at best, and at worst, very very dangerous.Huh? Exactly.

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Doctor Manhattan

07-27-2005, 11:20 AM

Didn't they check bags before you go on an airplane before 9/11?I don't mind the bag checks before going on some form of mass transit. Just don't bust me for my pot when you're looking for bombs.

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DJEvelEd

07-27-2005, 11:22 AM

"cowbell"You WILL be arrested for your pot...  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> ........... <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> PUTTING THE FUNNY IN PRESENTLY SEEN DEPTHS SPONSORED BY:"THE FÆCES™OF CÆSAR" BY ÆSOP ©464 B.C. <img src="http://64.177.177.182/katylina/shockposters.jpg" border="0" />

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Furtherman

07-27-2005, 11:31 AM

OK, I get it, these searches really get your panties into a bunch.And yes, I can see how they're going against our basic rights.But bag searching doesn't bother me.  Because when a suicide bomb goes off in NYC, and it will, will it be on a bus or train that you are on?  Maybe not, so then it's at the front door, killing police officers and other innocents.  It's a no-win situation.  I don't want to see anyone die but it's about survival.  I want to live.  And if a bag search causes the bomb to go off away from me - all the better I say.  Yea, it's selfish - but I don't want to be blown up for some f'n allah or whatever god that doesn't even exist.The bag searches will stop in time.  Just like the checks in the tunnel.  Until the next bomb goes off - here or in England - and then it will start again - then die down again.  We'll all have to endure these cycle for many, many years to come.  Thanks to our current administration.  Suicide bombers are an effective strategy.  I just hope we can do all we can to prevent them.

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DJEvelEd

07-27-2005, 11:38 AM

That we live in a Police State is utter bullshit; Not so. I was recently asked for ID in my OWN BACKYARD!!! The police followed me into my yard thinking I was someone else and asked me for "my papers". If I didn't have my ID on me I would have probably been arrested in my own home for not carrying my papers. In my 37 years of experience living in America, I would characterize that as living in a police state.

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Furtherman

07-27-2005, 11:43 AM

That was the police doing their job.  It was your own backyard, so you show them ID and they're on their way.  If you didn't have it on you then you point at your house and say it is in there and then you get it.  As long as your cool with a cop, there is a very good chance they'll be cool with you.  I've had bad experiences with cops in the past and yea, it sucks, but that doesn't make me feel the whole institution as a whole is f'd up.  One unfortunate instant does not a police state make.

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tbonesteak

07-27-2005, 11:53 AM

If we really want to feel safe and protected, why don't we just round up all the Muslims and send them packing.  To Canada maybe.  Then you won't have to worry about feeling scared when you step on the bus and I won't have to worry about MY rights being infringed upon.  At least there would be some sense to it.  What they're doing now is not a detterant to terrorists, it's a pacifier to make idiots like you feel safe and protected.  It's all just an illusion of security.  

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Furtherman

07-27-2005, 12:14 PM

Oh T-Bone, now you're just gettin' mean.  You're being paranoid.  

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SatCam

07-27-2005, 12:15 PM

I simply have no problem with them checking my bag before I get on the bus or train.What about Ed?  If he is stopped, does he have to allow the police to check his bag?I agree with Ed somewhat.  Although, the transit system is pretty much public, so the police have a right to protect it, just as a security gaurd checks to make sure you're not stealing anything at a (private) Wal-Mart

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furie

07-27-2005, 12:22 PM

I say, open up the subways. totally open and unfettered
access, but
liter the city with cameras. it's thru the cameras that scotland yard
has made those arrests so quickly. Keep in mind, London has been hit
twice in 2 weeks, and they have not begun subway, sorry "the Tube",
searches. The searches are window dressing, to get the publics
confidence back into the transit system. We need an answer, not a show.screening is only effective if everyone is searched. Random searches,
while a nice idea does not secure or sterilize an area. so to have the
majority of people in a transit system unscreened still leaves it
vulnerable to attack. the MTA or TSA could never institute a screening
system to sterilize the subway system. Cameras also leaves the system
vulnerable but it greatly furthers the investigation if we were hit. 


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tbonesteak

07-27-2005, 12:32 PM

Thanks Furie - that's sort of what I was getting at.The other point I trying to make was that if we violate people's rights based on race or ethinicity, it's somehow wrong, but if we violate EVERYONE's rights, it makes it okay.  Let's just cut the bullshit and search all the muslims trying to use the train or bus.  That's obviously who they're interested in anyway.  But if they came out and said that, suddenly they would be viewed as the bad guys so they disguise it by searching EVERYONE and inconveniencing EVERYONE.  

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DJEvelEd

07-27-2005, 01:14 PM

How long do I have to wait to reboard a train after being kicked off for not consenting to a search? 1 hour? 1 day? Change of shift? I fuckin hope they start this random search shit at movie theatres so that the quality of bootleg movies is forced to improve because nobody goes out anymore. Although I thought The Fantastic Four bootleg was fantastic and I watched it in my home, safe & sound, far away from the terrorists. (at least a block away)

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DarkHippie

07-27-2005, 01:50 PM

I was down at penn station yesterday to do a pickup (i drive a limo in the summertime).  I had to wait an extra hour for my passengers to go through security.But  that's besides the point.Everytime we make a decision like this, we have to weigh whether the added security is valuable enough than the rights given up.  checking bags will do nothing to thwart terrorist-- I can think of a million ways to get by that.  but it does infringe on our protection against Illegal Search and Seizure,  i can tell you now, next time I'm down there if they ask me for my bag, I'm asking for their warrant.one more thing:  I circled Penn station for half an hour yesterday, and then parked in a no parking zone right in front for half an hour.  I would've made a very effective car bomb.  If they want to improve security, they should start there.

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07-27-2005, 02:02 PM

When will they start anal cavity searches on the subways?????   Well.....I'm waiting!!!!!!!

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tbonesteak

07-27-2005, 02:27 PM

Bulldogcakes

07-27-2005, 04:29 PM

quote:I say, open up the subways. totally open and unfettered
access, but
liter the city with cameras. 
 Ding ding ding! We have a winner! One
thing that must be mentioned is whatever we do, you will always have
terrorism of some sort. So we should be mindful of how we want to live
the rest of our lives, and what kind of country we want to live in.
That being said, to do nothing would be foolish and irresponsible. But
this tactic I think doesn't pass my cost/benefit analysis. I think it
will doing almost nothing to deter terror, will probably only catch a
few stoners and guys with unpaid parking tickets. If you see a
checkpoint, you have every right to turn around and use another subway
stop. So take a wild guess what a suicide bomber will do. This
is partially being done as part of the "Broken Windows" theory of
stopping crime that Guiliani used so effectively. And Subway crime is
up (20%?) in the past year. Dont expect this to last long. 


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07-27-2005, 05:40 PM

quote:  quote: I say, open up the subways. totally open and unfettered access, but liter the city with cameras. Ding ding ding! We have a winner! The problem is, a suicide bomber doesn't care about cameras.  If their bomb goes off, they don't care... they're dead!Ding ding ding! We have a winner! The problem is, a suicide bomber doesn't care about cameras.  If their bomb goes off, they don't care... they're dead!

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FUNKMAN

07-27-2005, 05:48 PM

but liter the city with camerasthis way the families can get a nice shot of their loved one being blown to bits...i know, that's cynical... i feel it has to be more than cameras and you have to expect some disruption/inconveniance to your life in order to help preserve it ...  

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DarkHippie

07-27-2005, 06:37 PM

I don't mean to be cynical, but tens of thousands of americans are murdered every year by random crime, yet 50 people are killed in london and everyone freaks out and the government starts infriging on our rights to keep us safe.  Even 9/11 is nothing compared to the violence that we accept in our country.  

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07-27-2005, 06:44 PM

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furie

07-27-2005, 06:54 PM

quote:quote: quote: I say, open up the subways. totally open and unfettered access, but liter the city with cameras. Ding ding ding! We have a winner! The problem is, a suicide bomber doesn't care about cameras. If their bomb goes off, they don't care... they're dead!Ding ding ding! We have a winner! The problem is, a suicide bomber doesn't care about cameras. If their bomb goes off, they don't care... they're dead!    a
suicide bomber also doesn't care about police checkpoints because when
the bomb goes off, their dead. If you had read my post you would have
seen that i'm not talking from a prevention stand point, but an
investigation stand point. you could never prevent a suicide attack, at
best deter that one bomber for a short while. But a camera will aid the
investigation greatly. identify the bomber, allowing for links to be
traced back to his cell, getting at the roots. With just a few cops in
a subway entrance, no evidence will be collected (i doubt this guy's
dna's on file and CBP only recent began to fingerprint incoming
visitors), that same bomber is dead, and we'd be no closer to stopping further attacks. 
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furie

07-27-2005, 07:03 PM

<blockquote style="">quote:I
don't mean to be cynical, but tens of thousands of americans are
murdered every year by random crime, yet 50 people are killed in london
and everyone freaks out and the government starts infriging on our
rights to keep us safe. Even 9/11 is nothing compared to the violence
that we accept in our country. 

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Finally on Myspace <a target="_blank" href="http://www.myspace.com/darkhippie%20">Visit this Website</a>Please love me [/quote] well, no the overwhelming majority of murders in the US are not
random considering that the victim almost always knows and or is related to the
killer.9-11, London, OKC these acts are random from the victim's point of
view. you can't compare them to a (i hate to use the term standard, but)
standard murder for two big reasons; Motive and Intent. and that is why everyone is freaking out over recent events,
because as an average citizen you can't prevent it. It's like a nutjob walking
into McDonald's with an AK-47 while you're on lunch break there. It's like a
serial killer coming from behind out of the shadows. that's random, and that's
why it scares people. The government can't take proactive steps like screening people
coming into your house because you might be a murder victim. there's no way the
government can be proactive with homicides without creating a totalalitarian state
and placing everyone in lock down.  you're not being cynical, you're just way off base.

 


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tbonesteak

07-27-2005, 07:30 PM

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bigbaldirish

07-27-2005, 09:27 PM

deal with it.if (big if) things get better, it will go back. or if the murder rate goes up, tourism goes down because of this,or the funding for the PD goes over budget it will also go backif it does not go back there will be a revolution because regardless of your politics, nobody wants a police state and the people will reject it. if they don't get better, some fringe american group from the midwest will go and start doing the same to arab countries, and it will be ww3 but all guerilla fighting. 

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narc

07-27-2005, 09:45 PM

This thread is a lot less hot than I thought it would be.

Mike Teacher

07-28-2005, 02:07 AM

Not so. I was recently asked for ID in my OWN BACKYARD!!! The police followed me into my yard thinking I was someone else and asked me for "my papers". If I didn't have my ID on me I would have probably been arrested in my own home for not carrying my papers. In my 37 years of experience living in America, I would characterize that as living in a police state.=The post above, and the fact you can post it, and if you want, call your local radio station and bitch about the police state, and then fire off a few letters for the newspaper to publish about it; all of it is wonderful evidence that this is indeed not a police state.Feel free to respond in all the ways mentioned, in this 'police state' you have every right to do so. As for responsibilities and obligations of the citizen, again; nothing.They're knocking our doors down now, as part of the nightly street checks? 

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Doctor Manhattan

07-28-2005, 04:20 AM

quote: Not so. I was recently asked for ID in my OWN BACKYARD!!! The police followed me into my yard thinking I was someone else and asked me for "my papers". If I didn't have my ID on me I would have probably been arrested in my own home for not carrying my papers. In my 37 years of experience living in America, I would characterize that as living in a police state.  Could we get a few more detail about this? I've been in my back yard many times, a number of times without ID (I don't always have my wallet on me when I'm at home) There have been a number of police that pass by periodically and I have never been asked for my ID.What would you have been arrested for? Were you breaking into your own house (locked outside, left keys inside) was it nighttime? Were you drunk? Who did the police think you were? Did they explain why they asked for you ID? Did they ask you any questions aside from "Can I see you ID?"In Fact, I don't know anyone who has been asked by police to show ID unless they were in a car (Pulled over, DUI Check Point, etc). Of course you do need to show ID when buying certain things, but that's a different issue<a href="http://www.xmradio.com/"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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tbonesteak

07-28-2005, 05:18 AM

Mike, you're being way too literal.  No one is comparing this to Nazi Germany 1939 and no one really thinks that we're living in a police state.  It's just a phrase that's being thrown around to illustrate how offended people are by the actions of our government. 

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Furtherman

07-28-2005, 05:47 AM

Our current administration started a shitstorm in Iraq.... is it that so surprising that their actions would continue to offend?

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DJEvelEd

07-28-2005, 06:08 AM

quote: quote: Not so. I was recently asked for ID in my OWN BACKYARD!!! The police followed me into my yard thinking I was someone else and asked me for "my papers". If I didn't have my ID on me I would have probably been arrested in my own home for not carrying my papers. In my 37 years of experience living in America, I would characterize that as living in a police state.  Could we get a few more detail about this? I've been in my back yard many times, a number of times without ID (I don't always have my wallet on me when I'm at home) There have been a number of police that pass by periodically and I have never been asked for my ID.What would you have been arrested for? Were you breaking into your own house (locked outside, left keys inside) was it nighttime? Were you drunk? Who did the police think you were? Did they explain why they asked for you ID? Did they ask you any questions aside from "Can I see you ID?"In Fact, I don't know anyone who has been asked by police to show ID unless they were in a car (Pulled over, DUI Check Point, etc). Of course you do need to show ID when buying certain things, but that's a different issue<a href="http://www.xmradio.com/"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a> This message was edited by SKW on 7-28-05 @ 8:22 AM I walked out of my garage, stood by my front steps, talked to my neighbor for about 5 minutes, then proceded to walk down my alley into my backyard. As I was standing in my yard, an undercover officer walked into my yard. He said: Cop: "What are you doing here? Do you live here?"Ed: "Yes"Cop:"Do you have ID?Ed: "Yes" [shows him my ID][The officer turnes to his partner and says:]Cop: "It's not him"Ed: "What's going on?"Cop: "There have been robberies in the area and you looked like someone else"Ed: "Oh"   That old gag! Arent there robberies every day? If I had no ID they surely would have hassled me or possibly followed me into my home as I was retreiving my ID. Thats NEVER good because who knows what I may have left out. It's a slippery slope and I don't like police on my property questioning me for my papers. Most police are testosterone fueled maniacs with no compassion or regard for privacy. In my experience anyway. I also has a cop walk right into my garage once because he saw smoke. I HAD MY WOOD BURNING STOVE GOING!!!!! HE WALKED IN AS I WAS TUNING DRUMS AND TOLD ME TO Cop: "Light this place up:Ed: "Huh" Cop: "Put the lights on in here!"Ed:' You have a warrant?"Cop: "I don't need a warrant" [pushes past me] [needless to say, I was arrested for things in my garage] I have more stories to show evidence of our police state and would be more than happy to share them.I cut my hair so I'm hassled alot less but that shouldn't even matter. We are fighting a drug war that is just as disruptive at the terror war. Just a waste of time and taxes!

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furie

07-28-2005, 07:34 AM

quote:Our current administration started a shitstorm in Iraq.... is it that so surprising that their actions would continue to offend?

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how the hell does the White House policies affect NYC policies?

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Furtherman

07-28-2005, 07:38 AM

I see your point Furie.  However I was just responding to tbonesteak's remark people being offended by the actions of our government.

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Doctor Manhattan

07-28-2005, 07:47 AM

quote: I also has a cop walk right into my garage once because he saw smoke. I HAD MY WOOD BURNING STOVE GOING!!!!! HE WALKED IN AS I WAS TUNING DRUMS AND TOLD ME TO Cop: "Light this place up:Ed: "Huh" Cop: "Put the lights on in here!"Ed:' You have a warrant?"Cop: "I don't need a warrant" [pushes past me][needless to say, I was arrested for things in my garage]   Wait, I'll need a few more detail on that one too. Was your garage open? How did the cop get inside? Were you smoking pot in your garage? Your not helping your case, since you are doing things that will lead to an arrest. Did the officer break the law? He does need a warrant or probable cause. If he smells pot, that gives him reason to come inside.As for your backyard story: Was it night or day? You may have looked like someone they are looking for. Isn't it possible that is a true story and the cops are doing their job? If they have description of someone who is robbing stuff in your neighborhood, don't you want them to look around your neighborhood to find him? Do you want them to just wait at the station for him to turn himself in? Is there a gate to your backyard? Did the officer break into your yard or is it an open space he walked into to ask you a question or to get a better look at you since you may fit the description of a robber? <a href="http://www.xmradio.com/"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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DJEvelEd

07-28-2005, 01:14 PM

Wait, I'll need a few more detail on that one too. Was your garage open? How did the cop get inside? Were you smoking pot in your garage? Your not helping your case, since you are doing things that will lead to an arrest. Did the officer break the law? He does need a warrant or probable cause. If he smells pot, that gives him reason to come inside.No I was NOT smoking pot in my garage, I was tuning a drum set. The woodburning stove was on and that was his reason for entering my garage because he saw smoke. (IN A CHIMNEY??? OF COURSE THERE IS SMOKE IN A CHIMNEY!!!)) The door was unlocked (doh) and he walked right in! His probable cause was the smoke from the woodburning stove. (scary that they will use ANYTHING to violate rights)  As for your backyard story: Was it night or day? You may have looked like someone they are looking for. Isn't it possible that is a true story and the cops are doing their job? If they have description of someone who is robbing stuff in your neighborhood, don't you want them to look around your neighborhood to find him? Do you want them to just wait at the station for him to turn himself in? Is there a gate to your backyard? Did the officer break into your yard or is it an open space he walked into to ask you a question or to get a better look at you since you may fit the description of a robber? True, I understand that if they were looking for somebody, they would need to check things out. In both instances, it was daylight. He walked through my alleyway. There was a gate that was not locked. He wanted to get a good look at me and question me. And yes I have more stories that led me to how I feel today but these are probably the worst ones.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> ........... <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> PUTTING THE FUNNY IN PRESENTLY SEEN DEPTHS SPONSORED BY:"THE FÆCES™OF CÆSAR" BY ÆSOP ©464 B.C. <img src="http://64.177.177.182/katylina/shockposters.jpg" border="0" />

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Bulldogcakes

07-28-2005, 02:59 PM

quote:I
don't mean to be cynical, but tens of thousands of americans are
murdered every year by random crime, yet 50 people are killed in london
and everyone freaks out and the government starts infriging on our
rights to keep us safe. Even 9/11 is nothing compared to the violence
that we accept in our country 

I dont think thats cynical at all. I think thats good sensible thinking. How
about the 50,000 people who die per year in auto accidents? You have a
FAR greater chance of dying in a car wreck than by a terrorist. But you
dont see people in a panic over cars, do you? Its about what level of
risk you become accostomed to. Terrorism scares people because its the
"unknown" risk, even though its actually a remote one, and they take
bigger chances every day. Its really a massive overreaction on our
part. I understand the Governments desire to make us "feel" safe, but
in all honesty there's no such thing. I loved the Brits reaction to the
bombing. Some mourning, some tears and then right back on with their
lives. But they have more experience w/this than we do.  

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07-28-2005, 11:29 PM

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Mike Teacher

07-29-2005, 03:29 AM

Mike, you're being way too literal.  No one is comparing this to Nazi Germany 1939 and no one really thinks that we're living in a police state.  It's just a phrase that's being thrown around to illustrate how offended people are by the actions of our government. =Well, it looks like some here do indeed think we are living in a police state, but the examples given so far, are, well, laughable.

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Doctor Manhattan

07-29-2005, 03:52 AM

quote: No I was NOT smoking pot in my garage, I was tuning a drum set. The woodburning stove was on and that was his reason for entering my garage because he saw smoke. (IN A CHIMNEY??? OF COURSE THERE IS SMOKE IN A CHIMNEY!!!)) The door was unlocked (doh) and he walked right in! His probable cause was the smoke from the woodburning stove. (scary that they will use ANYTHING to violate rights)  ...True, I understand that if they were looking for somebody, they would need to check things out. In both instances, it was daylight. He walked through my alleyway. There was a gate that was not locked. He wanted to get a good look at me and question me.   Okay but you did say "[needless to say, I was arrested for things in my garage]  " so what were you arrested for? I don't mean to get personal, but you did bring it up.I do understand that a large number of people who go into Police work have issues that lead them to it (they are people who get off on power in some way, in fact I sometimes feel there is a very thin line between those who go into crime and those who go into fighting crime.)I would like to believe that the police were unfair to you, but I'm very curious what the probable cause was and how it was linked to your arrest. If you would let us know what you were arrested for and show that it was unrelated to why the officer came into your garage. If there wasn't probable cause, I thought the officer would need a warrant or would need to be invited in. If you didn't give the officer any clues as to what was illegal, then how could his arrest stand up in court? And again, if you are doing something illegal and the police caught you. How are we supposed to feel bad for you? I don't want to live in a police state, but I also don't want my neighbor doing illegal shit next door to me. If it was pot, I wouldn't care because I don't see the harm.And yes I have more stories that led me to how I feel today but these are probably the worst ones. Neither story sounds very bad, you aren't providing any real details to let us know how bad this officer was.We aren't in a police state, yet. <a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202"><img src="http://s2.imagesubmit.com/461411_medvoltage.jpg" border="0" /></a>

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DJEvelEd

07-29-2005, 05:48 AM

I was arrested in my garage because he saw a bong on the shelf. Subsequent searching revealed a small bag of pot. Yes I broke the law, but this law is stupid. I wound up not being convicted because of the illegal search, but I lost ALOT of time, money, pot and a bong. I donate alot of my time to activism trying to change our draconian drug laws because it is a waste of time that should be spent on "weeding" out suicide bombers. The pot laws are bad enough and the Drug War is escalating exponentially. These misguided searches will do NOTHING to stop a bomber. They will however generate more fear which our government needs to implement their big brother prototypes. This is going to be revenue for our government, that's the bottom line. Thousands of people will be arrested for OTHER things because of these searches. My friend was a medical marijuane patient that had her pot taken away and arrested. Was the government looking out for her health? I don't think so, they just want money. Are they going to search buses too? Are they going to place a cop on every bus to randomly search people? What about searching everyone who enters a mall? Post office? Restaurant? Movie theatre? Schoolyard? Let me tell you brother, even that wouldn't protect us from these crazy ragheads. Is that how you all want to live?  Do you realize what that kind of "lock down" security will cost? It's the cost of living in fear, which I chose not to do. My answer is to legalize pot and use that tax revenue to pay for your "lock down" style of security. Then the rest of you can feel safe and the police can look through my big bag of pot all they want.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> FLING <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smile.gif" border="0" /> ........... <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> SPLATT <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smileredoh.gif" border="0" /> PUTTING THE FUNNY IN PRESENTLY SEEN DEPTHS SPONSORED BY:"THE FÆCES™OF CÆSAR" BY ÆSOP ©464 B.C. <img src="http://64.177.177.182/katylina/shockposters.jpg" border="0" />

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DarkHippie

07-29-2005, 06:34 AM

Well, it looks like some here do indeed think we are living in a police state, but the examples given so far, are, well, laughable.YOu have to look between the rants here.  When 10 million people are killed for disagreeing with Stalin, we can call it a police state.  But when America, a country that places so high a value on personal freedom, starts to fence in those freedoms, then that's what its gonna feel like. 

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Doctor Manhattan

07-29-2005, 06:44 AM

quote: I was arrested in my garage because he saw a bong on the shelf. Subsequent searching revealed a small bag of pot. Yes I broke the law, but this law is stupid. I wound up not being convicted because of the illegal search, but I lost ALOT of time, money, pot and a bong. So it was pot, I do agree with you that police should be using their time on other more important things, and I also think pot should be legal. It grows naturally, that should be the final word on it.But if this was a police state you would have been convicted despite his illegal search. If this was a police state you may have been convicted even if you weren't breaking the law.Neither situation you presented backs up the claim that we live in a police state. There are a lot of crooked cops out there and it sucks. But that is a different issue. 

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Mike Teacher

07-29-2005, 07:03 AM

Are they going to search buses too? Are they going to place a cop on every bus to randomly search people? What about searching everyone who enters a mall? Post office? Restaurant? Movie theatre? Schoolyard? Let me tell you brother, even that wouldn't protect us from these crazy ragheads. Is that how you all want to live?=No. Back to the front...When I envision 'Police State' I am envisioning past events in say the last century; places all over the globe, where it's happening now, right now, where whoever runs the Gov/Police has total control; people who are unfortunate to belong in a certain area or a certain group are rounded up and disappear. Places where human rights simply don't exist at all, where people have absolutely no one to go to but themselves.Yes, we can point out the long, dreary history of abuses by police and the CJ system; and it's a pretty bad history, but I would argue that in many ways, we enjoy freedoms, and avenues for the establishment of truth and the provision of justice, that past Americans only dreamt about.=And I am loathe to even bring it up, I'm weird that way, go figure me out, I can't, but the bombings in London, and in Spain earlier [if anyone hasn;t checked out That carnage, yow... horrific... the ETA is FUBAR], lead me to believe that one day I'm gonna hear it: Some slimebuckets blew themselves up in some US city, with massive deaths and casualties. I really hate even hypothesizing, but there it is, and for me, that's a nightmare I don't want. Ever. So, as for where the 'slippery slope' [stupidest term ever, but hey...] is between total freedom and Anal Probes, I'll admit this; I have no friggin clue. I'm just the guy who is thinking, perhaps over-thinking, some real nightmare worst-case scenarios.=Lastly, I wouldn't legalize, I'd massively de-criminalize, but most of all, get rid off the asinine, inconsistent, anachronistic minimum mandatories and three strikes BS for drug related offenses. Amazing the percentage of the prison population in on small/medium busts, and that just plain sucks, and worse, is simply wrong. It does nothing. Nada. 

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Doctor Manhattan

07-29-2005, 07:13 AM

quote: Lastly, I wouldn't legalize, I'd massively de-criminalize, but most of all, get rid off the asinine, inconsistent, anachronistic minimum mandatories and three strikes BS for drug related offenses. Do you mean just make it a finable offense? (Get caught with pot, get a ticket)Either way, I would just like to make Pot less of a priority for cops. Busting Pot-heads is easy, fighting terrorism is hard 

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DJEvelEd

07-29-2005, 07:25 AM

We're heading toward a time when we have to pull weed out of our rectums at parties.When I envision 'Police State' I am envisioning past events in say the last century; places all over the globe, where it's happening now, right now, where whoever runs the Gov/Police has total control; people who are unfortunate to belong in a certain area or a certain group are rounded up and disappear.The government  takes people's homes away WITHOUT them being convicted of a crime. See "Forfeiture". If your home disappears and your money spent on defending yourself disappears, you basically disappear...

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tbonesteak

07-29-2005, 09:48 AM

Although I agree with DJ EvelEd's point of view, I don't think the examples he used have anything to do with the what's happening in our subway stations.  Police tactics and the ways in which the police infringe upon our individual rights is one thing.  I'm not a cop and I wasn't there to say whether or not they went outside the law.  But what happened to DJ EvelEd seems to be an unavoidable product of police work.  If the police are investigating a crime in your neighborhood and come across a suspicious looking person skulking around in someone's backyard, they have the responisibility to ensure that nothing illegal is happening.  It would be irresponsible of them not to.  Similarly, if the cops walk by your house and smell smoke, there's nothing wrong with them knocking on your door to make sure your okay.  You shouldn't take offense to those things because they are most likely doing it out of concern for your safety and the safety of those around you.  Not to jam you up on something for no reason.  I'm sure there are cops who do that and instances of that happening, but I'd bet that most are more responsible and are doing it with good intentions.  Unforetunately, if a cop comes to your door to ask you about something unrelated and he happens to see a bong or a stolen Monet or a 14-year-old hooker, he has the responsibility to do something proactive.  He can't just turn around and ignore the situation and unfortunately it's still illegal to smoke pot.This happened to me a few years ago when I was driving with a friend of mine in New Hampshire.  My friend rolled through a stop sign, a cop pulled us over, and as he was asking for his license and registration, he detected a hint of weed, which we had smoked a while earlier.  He dragged us out of the car and asked us if he could search the vehicle.  Since we didn't have any more weed on us and since they would have searched it eventually anyway, we didn't protest and the cop ended up finding a bowl under the passenger seat.  My friend was immediately arrested and since he was from Maine and the offense occured in New Hampshire, he was charged with drug-trafficing paraphanalia (sp?).  It was a ridiculous charge and were pretty fucking pissed.  But you have to accept that if you break the law and you're caught, even if it's during the course of another investigation, you deserve to be arrested.That's what makes the subway searches even more dangerous.  There's an instance where people are being interrogated indiscriminantly and without justification.  It's not even about police work - it's about policy and containment.  It's about what can the government do to make us all feel a little better about using the subway, regardless of the consequences.  If they saw a real a serious threat in the near future, why would they stop at the subways?  Why not stop people on busses or in theaters or on bridges and tunnels?  The answer is because there is no real threat and there is no justification for the actions they're taking.  We may not be in a police state now, but we are definiately heading in that direction and losing more and more freedom every single day.  

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07-29-2005, 09:54 AM

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07-29-2005, 11:27 AM

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high fly

07-30-2005, 11:53 AM

Besides the steady erosion of our rights, one of the things that pisses me off about all this is the sure knowledge they will cock it up.Hell, they can't even run the x-ray at the airport in a way that inspires any confidence.About two months ago, I took a flight on Northwest out of Washington/Reagan National airport.The person in front of me put two bags on the belt for the scanner, and both went through without the "security" person even glancing at them, but that's not the worst part.Why?The bitch was too busy flirting with the asshole guy who alllegedly was watching the x-ray arch you walk through, sans shoes. She was turned all the way to one side, exchanging banter with the bastard, who likewise wasn't paying attention to people going through, but that's not the worst part.The worst part was when I got through there and asked to see a supervisor.I told the "supervisor" what I'd seen, described the two bags, their owner and the two "security" personell's behavior.The bitch security advisor told me I didn't see what I'd seen.So I stood there with the bitch supervisor, directed her attention to her charges, and as the same behavior continued, the bitch supervisor again denied seeing what we both witnessed, that is, the bitch behind the x-ray screen passing bags through the machine and not letting them distract her from the asshole guy who wasn't paying much attention to his job either.It wasn't until another person went through, his bags unexamined by the bitch behind the x-ray machine, that the supervisor admitted that maybe something wasn't quite right.As far as I could tell, the bags that were unviewed at the x-ray machine made it onto the planes. 

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