YOU'RE FIIIIIRED!!!

[GameRelatedSig]

Do they even bother with kayfabe anymore?

[conman823]

Steroids are a hell of a drug......

[TripleSkeet]

Too bad. Iliked him alot. Shame he was more fragile then Ahmed Johnson. Oh well, another big get for TNA.

[Kevin]

Too bad. Iliked him alot. Shame he was more fragile then Ahmed Johnson. Oh well, another big get for TNA.

I wouldn't call it a "get"

A get means you took some one from something...

TNA will always be single A wrestling.

[Evolved]

I wouldn't call it a "get"

A get means you took some one from something...

TNA will always be single A wrestling.

Wouldn't they be more like AAA, life long minor leaguers?

[Kevin]

Wouldn't they be more like AAA, life long minor leaguers?

People actually watch and know anything about AAA baseball.

[TripleSkeet]

I wouldn't call it a "get"

A get means you took some one from something...

TNA will always be single A wrestling.

Right now TNA not only has more talent then Raw, but they are putting on better shows. Its a shame they work out of a shitty Orlando soundstage because I think the crowd reaction would be phenominal if they started touring real wrestling cities.

Hey I didnt think TNA would amount to much, but they went from Wednesday $10 PPV's to prime time tv with real PPV's. That not quite minor leagues I hate to break it to you. They dont make video games and action figures of minor league wrestling.

And yes, Mr. Kennedy will be a "get" for TNA because even though hes injury prone, they will find a way to utilize his other talents if hes hurt. Just like they did with Nash when he went there. Thats the problem with WWE. Their shows arent created by "wrestling people" anymore. Thats why they suck. WWE is a fucking tv company that shows wrestling, TNA is a wrestling company on tv.

It breaks my heart to say it, but unfortunately, its the truth.

[RingWraith]

Right now TNA not only has more talent then Raw, but they are putting on better shows. Its a shame they work out of a shitty Orlando soundstage because I think the crowd reaction would be phenominal if they started touring real wrestling cities.

Hey I didnt think TNA would amount to much, but they went from Wednesday $10 PPV's to prime time tv with real PPV's. That not quite minor leagues I hate to break it to you. They dont make video games and action figures of minor league wrestling.

And yes, Mr. Kennedy will be a "get" for TNA because even though hes injury prone, they will find a way to utilize his other talents if hes hurt. Just like they did with Nash when he went there. Thats the problem with WWE. Their shows arent created by "wrestling people" anymore. Thats why they suck. WWE is a fucking tv company that shows wrestling, TNA is a wrestling company on tv.

It breaks my heart to say it, but unfortunately, its the truth.

That's the one thing that I hate about TNA. They put on shows week after week in that awful studio, and their fans annoy the shit outta of me!

They definitely have the talent, but the whole presentation is just not there.

[Kevin]

Right now TNA not only has more talent then Raw, but they are putting on better shows. Its a shame they work out of a shitty Orlando soundstage because I think the crowd reaction would be phenominal if they started touring real wrestling cities.

Hey I didnt think TNA would amount to much, but they went from Wednesday $10 PPV's to prime time tv with real PPV's. That not quite minor leagues I hate to break it to you. They dont make video games and action figures of minor league wrestling.

And yes, Mr. Kennedy will be a "get" for TNA because even though hes injury prone, they will find a way to utilize his other talents if hes hurt. Just like they did with Nash when he went there. Thats the problem with WWE. Their shows arent created by "wrestling people" anymore. Thats why they suck. WWE is a fucking tv company that shows wrestling, TNA is a wrestling company on tv.

It breaks my heart to say it, but unfortunately, its the truth.

Alot of tripple A farm teams are funner to watch and have more talent than some Major League teams.. Still does not make it any better..

TNA has terrible announcers and their skits are WCWish (during their down fall) I would love to see it, but its never challenging the WWE.

And please find me a kid with a TNA action figure or Vid game..

[TripleSkeet]

Alot of tripple A farm teams are funner to watch and have more talent than some Major League teams.. Still does not make it any better..

TNA has terrible announcers and their skits are WCWish (during their down fall) I would love to see it, but its never challenging the WWE.

And please find me a kid with a TNA action figure or Vid game..

Now you just sound stupid. They ARE better then WWE. I didnt say they were funner, I said they are better. Its not just that they have more talent but they are actually utilizing it the right way.

Ill give you an example. You have a talented vet like Christian that has earned his stripes and is great both in the ring and on the mic. He hasnt been on WWE tv in years. So what do you do? Do you bring him in on Raw as a shocking surprise,to a HUGE pop, right before Wrestlemania? No. You bring him back on your C-list show to a half empty stadium to feud with a guy that has about a months experience.

A smart wrestling company would take a guy that is hurt like Mr. Kennedy, and use his mic skills as a positive in a role like GM that right now they have garbage like Vicky Guerrero and whoever that hooker on ECW is.

And right now TNA is putting on a better show. I dont need anyone to tell me this, Ive been watching wrestling for 30 fucking years. I know whats good and whats garbage. TNA has a few angles that arent home runs but they are nowhere near as bad as the downhill WCW days. And you dont get a primetime Thursday night tv slot if people arent watching. Yea they arent hurting WWE at all but they are still heading upwards while WWE is slowly pushing more and more fans away with the same horseshit week after week. The toys sell, the games sell, otherwise they wouldnt even have the deals.

[brettmojo]

Now you just sound stupid. They ARE better then WWE. I didnt say they were funner, I said they are better. Its not just that they have more talent but they are actually utilizing it the right way.

Ill give you an example. You have a talented vet like Christian that has earned his stripes and is great both in the ring and on the mic. He hasnt been on WWE tv in years. So what do you do? Do you bring him in on Raw as a shocking surprise,to a HUGE pop, right before Wrestlemania? No. You bring him back on your C-list show to a half empty stadium to feud with a guy that has about a months experience.

A smart wrestling company would take a guy that is hurt like Mr. Kennedy, and use his mic skills as a positive in a role like GM that right now they have garbage like Vicky Guerrero and whoever that hooker on ECW is.

And right now TNA is putting on a better show. I dont need anyone to tell me this, Ive been watching wrestling for 30 fucking years. I know whats good and whats garbage. TNA has a few angles that arent home runs but they are nowhere near as bad as the downhill WCW days. And you dont get a primetime Thursday night tv slot if people arent watching. Yea they arent hurting WWE at all but they are still heading upwards while WWE is slowly pushing more and more fans away with the same horseshit week after week. The toys sell, the games sell, otherwise they wouldnt even have the deals.
Hey, spike can't show old CSI reruns all the time can they?

[styckx]

As long as Mike Tenay and Don West are announcing that shit TNA doesn't stand a chance. They are both overselling, over fag, over gay, over the top dumb motherfuckers. TNA could put on a 5-Star match and those two homos will dumb it down to the point you turn it off.

OMG DID YOU SEE THE WAY KEVIN NASH STEPPED OVER THE TOP ROPE ENTERING THE RING? THIS IS A MAN ON A MISSION AND THE ENTIRE TNA UNIVERSE BETTER WATCH OUT!!!

[TripleSkeet]

As long as Mike Tenay and Don West are announcing that shit TNA doesn't stand a chance. They are both overselling, over fag, over gay, over the top dumb motherfuckers. TNA could put on a 5-Star match and those two homos will dumb it down to the point you turn it off.

OMG DID YOU SEE THE WAY KEVIN NASH STEPPED OVER THE TOP ROPE ENTERING THE RING? THIS IS A MAN ON A MISSION AND THE ENTIRE TNA UNIVERSE BETTER WATCH OUT!!!

If you look at the TNA viewing thread, this week was the first time I watched in awhile and my two big complaints were having the show on that Orlando soundstage, and those 2 announcers.

The sad part is those are 2 very easy things to fix, yet they dont seem to ever do it. I just dont get it. With Coach working for ESPN I dont know who theyd get to replace Tenay. Personally I think Tony Schaivone blows. But Jim Cornette or Paul Heyman would be great replacements for West. Id just love to see Paul E. over there in any capacity. How a guy with that great a creative mind is unemployed is fucking beyond me.

[styckx]

If you look at the TNA viewing thread, this week was the first time I watched in awhile and my two big complaints were having the show on that Orlando soundstage, and those 2 announcers.

The sad part is those are 2 very easy things to fix, yet they dont seem to ever do it. I just dont get it. With Coach working for ESPN I dont know who theyd get to replace Tenay. Personally I think Tony Schaivone blows. But Jim Cornette or Paul Heyman would be great replacements for West. Id just love to see Paul E. over there in any capacity. How a guy with that great a creative mind is unemployed is fucking beyond me.

Tony Schaivone was awful also. The best thing he's ever done was that "shoot" segment he did for TNA.

Agree with Paul-E, that guy could sell a cum stain to a priest. Love Paul-E

[3Setsof10]

Tony Schaivone was awful also. The best thing he's ever done was that "shoot" segment he did for TNA.

Agree with Paul-E, that guy could sell a cum stain to a priest. Love Paul-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtg-HSJT7b4

Yes, that was great

[RingWraith]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtg-HSJT7b4

Yes, that was great

Wow! I never saw that segment before.

In all honesty, I never liked Tony when was in WCW, but he's still 100x better than Michael Cole. I rather have him calling matches than Michael Cole who I can't believe is STILL employed. Ugh!

[tnbt23]

If you look at the TNA viewing thread, this week was the first time I watched in awhile and my two big complaints were having the show on that Orlando soundstage, and those 2 announcers.

The sad part is those are 2 very easy things to fix, yet they dont seem to ever do it. I just dont get it. With Coach working for ESPN I dont know who theyd get to replace Tenay. Personally I think Tony Schaivone blows. But Jim Cornette or Paul Heyman would be great replacements for West. Id just love to see Paul E. over there in any capacity. How a guy with that great a creative mind is unemployed is fucking beyond me.

OMG.. I cant see how you as a wrestling fan can consider ANYTHING that TNA does watchable or enjoyable. I honestly havent stayed awake through any of their ppv's after they stopped the weekly ones. Back then, TNA was actually pretty good. Now? They suck worse than a good episode of Thunder. Case in point: When was the last time you saw a "clean pinfall" in a match? Go back and watch the shows and ppv's: I guarantee you that out of a 8 match card, 6 of the matches end with a roll-up, a school-boy or some none-sensical finish. THIS is creative booking? Did you watch the last ppv? There was not 1 good match on the card! They hyped the hell out of the Daniels/Suicide match and it nearly stunk up the joint. COMPELLING booking would have been to have the MCM come out, give Daniels the win and then have it revealed that they were in cahoots the whole time. But no, they have the meaningless run-in, restart the match and Suicide wins... WHO CARES? Dont even get me started on the opening match. Look, I dont care how talented or athletically gifted these guys are. But when your matches start to look more choreographed than that GOD-awful AAA Lucha Libre crap, I get bored real fast.

Professional wrestling is mainly based on the suspension of belief. We have to allow ourselves to be sucked into their world in order for it all to work. Having Stevie Richards as a psychiatrist DOES not work to that end. Having Mick Foley as your World Champion does not work to that end. Yes, WWE is in a creative slump at the moment but for the most part, the things that they do make sense. But TNA is pretty much following the blue-print of WCW and it's going to be fun to watch their demise. It will suck for the wrestlers but at least I can laugh while Rome is burning.

Sure TNA has alot of talent, they have so much talent in fact that you dont even know who works for the company! (just an aside.. WHY is a guy who won a contest to date ODB getting valuable TV TIME in a wrestling match? THIS is compelling tv? This makes TNA more watchable than WWE? Go f*ck yourself) Can anyone tell me anything about the Knockouts? How many there are...Where they came from? Their finishers, etc... anything?
The only one that has been used effectively is Kong. All the others are just nameless, faceless girls who think that its better to be used by TNA than misused by WWE or wouldnt be offered a job with them in the first place.

OK, I am done with my rant on TNA for now. When I have more time, I will come back and completely dissect this company and expose it for the lame, rip-off, fan intelligence insulting, sham of a wrestling company that it is. And yes I am a wrestling fan and that does not mean a "WWE fan" or a "ROH fan". It means that during the past 30 years, if it involved wrestling - I've seen it. it's an addiction for me. so I know my shit. TNA can go screw.http://www.ronfez.net/forums/images/emoticons/wallbash.gif

[epo]

Steroids are a hell of a drug......

Yea....its a miracle that "Kamikaze" Ken Anderson magically grew the way he did. And its a shock that after all of that "growth" he suffered a series of injuries...

Hmm.

[cougarjake13]

Now you just sound stupid. They ARE better then WWE. I didnt say they were funner, I said they are better. Its not just that they have more talent but they are actually utilizing it the right way.

Ill give you an example. You have a talented vet like Christian that has earned his stripes and is great both in the ring and on the mic. He hasnt been on WWE tv in years. So what do you do? Do you bring him in on Raw as a shocking surprise,to a HUGE pop, right before Wrestlemania? No. You bring him back on your C-list show to a half empty stadium to feud with a guy that has about a months experience.

A smart wrestling company would take a guy that is hurt like Mr. Kennedy, and use his mic skills as a positive in a role like GM that right now they have garbage like Vicky Guerrero and whoever that hooker on ECW is.

And right now TNA is putting on a better show. I dont need anyone to tell me this, Ive been watching wrestling for 30 fucking years. I know whats good and whats garbage. TNA has a few angles that arent home runs but they are nowhere near as bad as the downhill WCW days. And you dont get a primetime Thursday night tv slot if people arent watching. Yea they arent hurting WWE at all but they are still heading upwards while WWE is slowly pushing more and more fans away with the same horseshit week after week. The toys sell, the games sell, otherwise they wouldnt even have the deals.

Hey, spike can't show old CSI reruns all the time can they?



no they cant show csi re runs all the time


but spike did move the much more popular ufc to wednesday nights to accomodate a 2 hour slot for tna

[cougarjake13]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtg-HSJT7b4

Yes, that was great

who was that blonde in that vid

[brettmojo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtg-HSJT7b4

Yes, that was great
He looks like a young Mick Foley in that vid.

[3Setsof10]

who was that blonde in that vid

Goldilocks, she was around just like Tony said- for about five minutes

BTW, mentioning that you have been watching wrestling for 30 years...not the best way to support your argument

[TripleSkeet]

OMG.. I cant see how you as a wrestling fan can consider ANYTHING that TNA does watchable or enjoyable. I honestly havent stayed awake through any of their ppv's after they stopped the weekly ones. Back then, TNA was actually pretty good. Now? They suck worse than a good episode of Thunder. Case in point: When was the last time you saw a "clean pinfall" in a match? Go back and watch the shows and ppv's: I guarantee you that out of a 8 match card, 6 of the matches end with a roll-up, a school-boy or some none-sensical finish. THIS is creative booking? Did you watch the last ppv? There was not 1 good match on the card! They hyped the hell out of the Daniels/Suicide match and it nearly stunk up the joint. COMPELLING booking would have been to have the MCM come out, give Daniels the win and then have it revealed that they were in cahoots the whole time. But no, they have the meaningless run-in, restart the match and Suicide wins... WHO CARES? Dont even get me started on the opening match. Look, I dont care how talented or athletically gifted these guys are. But when your matches start to look more choreographed than that GOD-awful AAA Lucha Libre crap, I get bored real fast.

Professional wrestling is mainly based on the suspension of belief. We have to allow ourselves to be sucked into their world in order for it all to work. Having Stevie Richards as a psychiatrist DOES not work to that end. Having Mick Foley as your World Champion does not work to that end. Yes, WWE is in a creative slump at the moment but for the most part, the things that they do make sense. But TNA is pretty much following the blue-print of WCW and it's going to be fun to watch their demise. It will suck for the wrestlers but at least I can laugh while Rome is burning.

Sure TNA has alot of talent, they have so much talent in fact that you dont even know who works for the company! (just an aside.. WHY is a guy who won a contest to date ODB getting valuable TV TIME in a wrestling match? THIS is compelling tv? This makes TNA more watchable than WWE? Go f*ck yourself) Can anyone tell me anything about the Knockouts? How many there are...Where they came from? Their finishers, etc... anything?
The only one that has been used effectively is Kong. All the others are just nameless, faceless girls who think that its better to be used by TNA than misused by WWE or wouldnt be offered a job with them in the first place.

OK, I am done with my rant on TNA for now. When I have more time, I will come back and completely dissect this company and expose it for the lame, rip-off, fan intelligence insulting, sham of a wrestling company that it is. And yes I am a wrestling fan and that does not mean a "WWE fan" or a "ROH fan". It means that during the past 30 years, if it involved wrestling - I've seen it. it's an addiction for me. so I know my shit. TNA can go screw.http://www.ronfez.net/forums/images/emoticons/wallbash.gif


Ok, first of all I said I hadnt watched TNA in a long while, and just tuned back in this week, so I cant answer any of the questions you asked me. But for a guy that hates it man you are up to date on everything they are doing.

Ive also been watching wrestling for 30 years, and yes I can honestly say the show I saw Thursday night was ten times better then this weeks Raw. This is coming from a WWE guy. Even in the nWo days I still watched Raw and those mid - 90's shows were just as bad as Raw today.

You want to know what I consider intelligence insulting? Lame? A sham? Wrestling thats exclusively catered to 6 year olds. Changing a guys name for his finishing move after 6 years in order to make parents happy. Watching a guy get booed out of the building and have the announcers tell me hes the fan favorite. Having a guy shake hands and introduce himself to everyone for 6 months only to become a jobber 3 weeks after he debuts. Thats the kind of bullshit I see on Raw anymore.

As far as TNA goes, I dont care what gimmick they give Stevie Richards. Hes a talented guy and right now hes making it work. Im not an idiot and need to believe everything I see in wrestling. I know Hornswaggles not a leprechaun. I knew Ted Dibiase wasnt really a millionaire. It doesnt matter if they make the gimmick entertaining. As far as the knockouts go, well Im one that happens to think women wrestlers suck and have no business on tv as anything other then tits and ass valets, so Im more then happy not seeing them on the show much.

And I dont know who that redneck guy with ODB was but the way he fucked up his fall off the ladder and hit the ropes flipping to the floor entertained me more then ANYTHING on Raw this past Monday not named Santino.

[3Setsof10]

Ok, first of all I said I hadnt watched TNA in a long while, and just tuned back in this week, so I cant answer any of the questions you asked me. But for a guy that hates it man you are up to date on everything they are doing.

Ive also been watching wrestling for 30 years, and yes I can honestly say the show I saw Thursday night was ten times better then this weeks Raw. This is coming from a WWE guy. Even in the nWo days I still watched Raw and those mid - 90's shows were just as bad as Raw today.

You want to know what I consider intelligence insulting? Lame? A sham? Wrestling thats exclusively catered to 6 year olds. Changing a guys name for his finishing move after 6 years in order to make parents happy. Watching a guy get booed out of the building and have the announcers tell me hes the fan favorite. Having a guy shake hands and introduce himself to everyone for 6 months only to become a jobber 3 weeks after he debuts. Thats the kind of bullshit I see on Raw anymore.

As far as TNA goes, I dont care what gimmick they give Stevie Richards. Hes a talented guy and right now hes making it work. Im not an idiot and need to believe everything I see in wrestling. I know Hornswaggles not a leprechaun. I knew Ted Dibiase wasnt really a millionaire. It doesnt matter if they make the gimmick entertaining. As far as the knockouts go, well Im one that happens to think women wrestlers suck and have no business on tv as anything other then tits and ass valets, so Im more then happy not seeing them on the show much.

And I dont know who that redneck guy with ODB was but the way he fucked up his fall off the ladder and hit the ropes flipping to the floor entertained me more then ANYTHING on Raw this past Monday not named Santino.

Wait, how's it better when you have a guy nearly kill himself botching a bump like that?

[cougarjake13]

Can anyone tell me anything about the Knockouts? How many there are...Where they came from? Their finishers, etc... anything?
The only one that has been used effectively is Kong. All the others are just nameless, faceless girls who think that its better to be used by TNA than misused by WWE or wouldnt be offered a job with them in the first place.



i know that i use the beautiful people as jack material

[TripleSkeet]

Wait, how's it better when you have a guy nearly kill himself botching a bump like that?

I didnt say better, I said more entertaining. And it was. I laughed my ass off. And he didnt nearly kill himself, he missed the rope with his crotch and instead caught it under his arm which flipped him out of the ring.

[brettmojo]

Wait, how's it better when you have a guy nearly kill himself botching a bump like that?
He's from Philly. They cheered Michael Irvin breaking his neck remember?

[3Setsof10]

I didnt say better, I said more entertaining. And it was. I laughed my ass off. And he didnt nearly kill himself, he missed the rope with his crotch and instead caught it under his arm which flipped him out of the ring.

I'm glad you got enjoyment out of a guy botching a move and almost killing himself

BTW TNA has done far worse crap storyline wise and character wise than the WWE. There are countless examples, from Jay Lethal's Macho Man stupidity to them managing to screw up Awesome Kong to the "Governor" to "Dr Stevie" to Don West's heel turn to the continued employment of Kip Sopp, Kevin Nash, Scott Steiner, and so on, and allowing Mick Foley to continue to have a job...

See what I mean?

[styckx]

The biggest thing missing from TNA - Anyone there giving a shit. Raven and Shane Douglas returning to the ring should get some pops right? Should be pretty fucking exciting right? I mean, it's fucking Raven and Shane Douglas for christ sakes. Yet, I think I heard 10 people pop in a very lack luster way about it. You can't just have someone return w/ zero hype, build, or anything and expect an ECW crowd reaction from it. Also make fun of WWE all you want also, but the monster Abyss shit is gayer then most of those 80's gimmicks. OMG A MONSTER IN A STRAITJACKET!! So gay. They also have equally as gay characters for some of those people.

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[3Setsof10]

And when Daniels and Styles, two decent wrestlers, are working the same matches doing the same things in front of the same people for years and years...it gets stale as hell after a while.

LOL of all places for me to start talking wrestling again

BTW Douglas and Raven don't look anywhere near ring shape, Douglas especially. I know he was in rehab but why bring him back when he's in worse shape than 65% of the people in the audience?

[TripleSkeet]

I'm glad you got enjoyment out of a guy botching a move and almost killing himself

BTW TNA has done far worse crap storyline wise and character wise than the WWE. There are countless examples, from Jay Lethal's Macho Man stupidity to them managing to screw up Awesome Kong to the "Governor" to "Dr Stevie" to Don West's heel turn to the continued employment of Kip Sopp, Kevin Nash, Scott Steiner, and so on, and allowing Mick Foley to continue to have a job...

See what I mean?

No I dont. I think Jay Lethals gimmick is awesome. The promo he cut this past Thursday then anything the WWE has been putting out lately (besides Santino of course). And I dont care about Awesome Kong. I told you I dont give a fuck about women wrestlers.

Lets see what else...
- Dr. Stevie I only saw once, I liked how he was using the gimmick with Abyss, and being back with Raven makes me like him more.

- I dont know who Kip Sopp is

- Kevin Nash Im fine with because they dont just use him as a wrestler. Steiner didnt do anything this week so I cant comment.

- I have no problem with Mick Foley still wrestling. He still cuts great promos.

You need to realize you are talking to a guy that was an ECW diehard from day one. I dont mind older wrestlers if they are used right. And if a gimmick works you run with it. Unlike WWE that takes a gimmick like the John Cena marine/superman and jams it down my throat even though everyone over age 7 hates it.

The problem with the WWE is they no longer listen to their fans. Their promos suck because they script every one word for word. Their storylines suck because they have tv writers who have never watched wrestling writing them. How the fuck people can continue to defend Raw or Smackdown or (for Gods sake) WWECW is beyond me. And Im not one of these guys that only likes indy shows and hates the bigtimers. I watch every Monday praying Vince wakes the fuck up and goes back to the way things used to be.

[Kevin]

The biggest thing missing from TNA - Anyone there giving a shit. Raven and Shane Douglas returning to the ring should get some pops right? Should be pretty fucking exciting right? I mean, it's fucking Raven and Shane Douglas for christ sakes. Yet, I think I heard 10 people pop in a very lack luster way about it. You can't just have someone return w/ zero hype, build, or anything and expect an ECW crowd reaction from it. Also make fun of WWE all you want also, but the monster Abyss shit is gayer then most of those 80's gimmicks. OMG A MONSTER IN A STRAITJACKET!! So gay. They also have equally as gay characters for some of those people.

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Wow, those pops are so huge, they would put Hogan, Cena and Rock to shame.


EXCITEMENT ONLY TNA CAN GIVE!!!

[TripleSkeet]

And when Daniels and Styles, two decent wrestlers, are working the same matches doing the same things in front of the same people for years and years...it gets stale as hell after a while.

LOL of all places for me to start talking wrestling again

BTW Douglas and Raven don't look anywhere near ring shape, Douglas especially. I know he was in rehab but why bring him back when he's in worse shape than 65% of the people in the audience?

I personally thought Raven looked worse. I hate those braids.

But that whole crowd reaction their return was basically what I was talking about in the TNA thread. A real wrestling crowd wouldve popped huge for that. They gotta get off that soundstage.

[styckx]

Are they really wrestling fans? I mean, are travel agencies giving away LAX t-shirts and one free ticket to a TNA taping as part of a families Disneyworld vacation? As mentioned above, any normal wrestling crowd would've popped instantly for Raven or Shane Douglas. Out of shape or not, they are pretty legendary (modern times) wrestlers.

[3Setsof10]

No I dont. I think Jay Lethals gimmick is awesome. The promo he cut this past Thursday then anything the WWE has been putting out lately (besides Santino of course). And I dont care about Awesome Kong. I told you I dont give a fuck about women wrestlers.

Lets see what else...
- Dr. Stevie I only saw once, I liked how he was using the gimmick with Abyss, and being back with Raven makes me like him more.

- I dont know who Kip Sopp is

- Kevin Nash Im fine with because they dont just use him as a wrestler. Steiner didnt do anything this week so I cant comment.

- I have no problem with Mick Foley still wrestling. He still cuts great promos.

You need to realize you are talking to a guy that was an ECW diehard from day one. I dont mind older wrestlers if they are used right. And if a gimmick works you run with it. Unlike WWE that takes a gimmick like the John Cena marine/superman and jams it down my throat even though everyone over age 7 hates it.

The problem with the WWE is they no longer listen to their fans. Their promos suck because they script every one word for word. Their storylines suck because they have tv writers who have never watched wrestling writing them. How the fuck people can continue to defend Raw or Smackdown or (for Gods sake) WWECW is beyond me. And Im not one of these guys that only likes indy shows and hates the bigtimers. I watch every Monday praying Vince wakes the fuck up and goes back to the way things used to be.

First, you weren't talking to me about Awesome Kong
Second, she was over, and they managed to kill that. Having her lose to Taylor Wilde was just ridiculous. Whether you like women's wrestling or not, I'm sure as a 30 year wrestling watching veteran you understand the value of protecting a character and keeping their character strong and fresh

Kip Sopp = Cute Kip (ugh, I can't even believe I had to type that) = Billy Gunn

Some 30 year veteran you are, not knowing that :) j/k

And sorry, I don't think I need to realize who I'm talking to, I just see what's written. Unless you're Vince McMahon, which would make this conversation a lot different.

[styckx]

First, you weren't talking to me about Awesome Kong
Second, she was over, and they managed to kill that. Having her lose to Taylor Wilde was just ridiculous. Whether you like women's wrestling or not, I'm sure as a 30 year wrestling watching veteran you understand the value of protecting a character and keeping their character strong and fresh

Kip Sopp = Cute Kip (ugh, I can't even believe I had to type that) = Billy Gunn

Some 30 year veteran you are, not knowing that :) j/k

And sorry, I don't think I need to realize who I'm talking to, I just see what's written. Unless you're Vince McMahon, which would make this conversation a lot different.

Agree. Foley, Nash, Stiener... Well, anyone who mattered during the Monday Night Wars that is still employed by them shouldn't be. They are all awful.

Kevin Nash the man of two moves and the devastating Power LetGoAndDropBomb.

Scott Steiner. You could release a 2hr DVD of all his botched moves and promos alone.

Foley was hired for his name, and is generally useless.

Dudley Boys.. Yes.. We get it.. Tables..

Angle is a POS

JAmes and Kip or whatever the fuck they are called now were terrible in WWE and are even more awful in TNA.

Sting.. Really. It's 2009, can we drop The Crow gimmick yet and rehearse a few more moves?

Jeff Jarret is the only one of that group that can still sell a product or a match well.

[TripleSkeet]

Are they really wrestling fans? I mean, are travel agencies giving away LAX t-shirts and one free ticket to a TNA taping as part of a families Disneyworld vacation? As mentioned above, any normal wrestling crowd would've popped instantly for Raven or Shane Douglas. Out of shape or not, they are pretty legendary (modern times) wrestlers.

No they arent. Its just like when WCW used to do Worldwide out of Orlando. They are part of a tour group they bring in to watch the show. You have the few diehards that go all the time (usually the 10 guys that try to get a chant going) but the rest are just tourists that dont even know what they are watching. Im pretty sure the signs and shit you see are given out by TNA employees before the show.


And 3sets, Im just trying to explain what I consider to be a good wrestling show. As an oldtime ECW fan Im not going to enjoy wrestling that admittedly has gone to PG rated programming. I wouldve thought WWE wouldve learned its lesson from the last time they went that route (early 90's) and it nearly bankrupted them.

[3Setsof10]

Agree. Foley, Nash, Stiener... Well, anyone who mattered during the Monday Night Wars that is still employed by them shouldn't be. They are all awful.

Kevin Nash the man of two moves and the devastating Power LetGoAndDropBomb.

Scott Steiner. You could release a 2hr DVD of all his botched moves and promos alone.

Foley was hired for his name, and is generally useless.

Dudley Boys.. Yes.. We get it.. Tables..

Angle is a POS

JAmes and Kip or whatever the fuck they are called now were terrible in WWE and are even more awful in TNA.

Sting.. Really. It's 2009, can we drop The Crow gimmick yet?

Jeff Jarret is the only one of that group that can still sell a product or a match well.

Hahahaha This is so great

Kevin Nash is a great example of how someone can do so little and take so much and still have a job

Steiner's a roidhead and saw his talent wave bye bye back in the early 90s

Foley's a glorified stuntman who kisses as much ass as he can so he can get positive press. Ric Flair was always dead on about him

Bubba Ray Dudley is a fat no talent overgrown bully and he and D-Von have done the same stupid shtick for over 15 years

If they ever truly cracked down on steroids each and every one of these guys would be out of a job

Angle's a fucking mess

Sting's Crow gimmick was designed for him because he was an outcast but now...he's leading a group of "main eventers" and has mic and ring time weekly. Makes absolutely no sense to still be doing it, but it's TNA

Jarrett knows the business because he grew up in the business...unlike any one of these clowns, with the exception of whatever they're calling the Road Dogg these days

That's why Jarrett "gets it"

Great convo here, I love this

[TripleSkeet]

Agree. Foley, Nash, Stiener... Well, anyone who mattered during the Monday Night Wars that is still employed by them shouldn't be. They are all awful.

Kevin Nash the man of two moves and the devastating Power LetGoAndDropBomb.

Scott Steiner. You could release a 2hr DVD of all his botched moves and promos alone.

Foley was hired for his name, and is generally useless.

Dudley Boys.. Yes.. We get it.. Tables..

Angle is a POS

JAmes and Kip or whatever the fuck they are called now were terrible in WWE and are even more awful in TNA.

Sting.. Really. It's 2009, can we drop The Crow gimmick yet and rehearse a few more moves?

Jeff Jarret is the only one of that group that can still sell a product or a match well.


I still think Angle is awesome. But maybe Im biased, I think all around hes one of the greatest wrestlers in history.

Nash is shit but I remember when he was doing those segments with the young guys in TNA, they were very entertaining to me.

[TripleSkeet]

Hahahaha This is so great

Kevin Nash is a great example of how someone can do so little and take so much and still have a job

Steiner's a roidhead and saw his talent wave bye bye back in the early 90s

Foley's a glorified stuntman who kisses as much ass as he can so he can get positive press. Ric Flair was always dead on about him

Bubba Ray Dudley is a fat no talent overgrown bully and he and D-Von have done the same stupid shtick for over 15 years

If they ever truly cracked down on steroids each and every one of these guys would be out of a job

Angle's a fucking mess

Sting's Crow gimmick was designed for him because he was an outcast but now...he's leading a group of "main eventers" and has mic and ring time weekly. Makes absolutely no sense to still be doing it, but it's TNA

Jarrett knows the business because he grew up in the business...unlike any one of these clowns, with the exception of whatever they're calling the Road Dogg these days

That's why Jarrett "gets it"

Great convo here, I love this

Wait, werent you just defending the WWE???? Are you serious????

[3Setsof10]

I still think Angle is awesome. But maybe Im biased, I think all around hes one of the greatest wrestlers in history.

Nash is shit but I remember when he was doing those segments with the young guys in TNA, they were very entertaining to me.

Angle is just a disappointment...he could have been a legend, but screwed that up because of his stupidity and stubbornness. Oh, and all that pill popping and getting hurt and not taking care of himself stuff, too

I remember those segments, but who did they really help get over? Anyone? Besides making Kevin Nash look "cool" and "above" everyone he was working with

[3Setsof10]

Wait, werent you just defending the WWE???? Are you serious????

You need to learn how to read, I wasn't defending the WWE at all, I was remarking on how the storylines in TNA were certainly no better than the ones you've seen in the WWE

Roid use in TNA is just ridiculous, even D-Von looks like the Michelin Man at this point

[styckx]

Wait, werent you just defending the WWE???? Are you serious????

WWE is brutal with their drug policy. They have shown it doesn't matter if you are a Heat jobber or a main eventer, you fail, you're suspended, you will be buried when you return and have to earn your spot again.

[3Setsof10]

WWE is brutal with their drug policy. They have shown it doesn't matter if you are a Heat jobber or a main eventer, you fail, you're suspended, you will be buried when you return and have to earn your spot again.

They've killed entire storylines because of it

Kennedy being Vince's son
Harry Smith being part of the new Hart Foundation was delayed

[Tenbatsuzen]

WWE is brutal with their drug policy. They have shown it doesn't matter if you are a Heat jobber or a main eventer, you fail, you're suspended, you will be buried when you return and have to earn your spot again.

Dude... that's the way it SHOULD be.

[styckx]

I still watch it. To say I "like wrestling" still is pretty much a lie. I enjoy laughing at it more then I enjoy the actual product in a "good" way. The more serious they try to be the funnier it is to mock.

Took me a minute to find it but. The last time I attempted to watch TNA I saw this. I invite anyone to sit through this and not laugh once. If you can explain how shit like this is going to bump TNA (or WWE cause they do equally awful shit) to greatness I'll give you... A dollar.

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[Fallon]

I still watch it. To say I "like wrestling" still is pretty much a lie. I enjoy laughing at it more then I enjoy the actual product in a "good" way. The more serious they try to be the funnier it is to mock.

Took me a minute to find it but. The last time I attempted to watch TNA I saw this. I invite anyone to sit through this and not laugh once. If you can explain how shit like this is going to bump TNA (or WWE cause they do equally awful shit) to greatness I'll give you... A dollar.

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Hoo hoo!

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[3Setsof10]

I still watch it. To say I "like wrestling" still is pretty much a lie. I enjoy laughing at it more then I enjoy the actual product in a "good" way. The more serious they try to be the funnier it is to mock.

Took me a minute to find it but. The last time I attempted to watch TNA I saw this. I invite anyone to sit through this and not laugh once. If you can explain how shit like this is going to bump TNA (or WWE cause they do equally awful shit) to greatness I'll give you... A dollar.

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LOL

Sting and his Dutch Boy haircut
Scott Steiner wearing the fashionable chain mail helmet- and he's not wrestling
The MEM sweats

Sooo stupid

EDIT: Kevin Nash looks like fucking Santa Claus LOL

No wait, he looks like Bob Seger. Or Michael McDonald. Christ, this is so bad

[brettmojo]

I haven't watched Raw in months. After the thing with the NBA I though last week hey, maybe Vince will take this as an opportunity to do something for once to grab new viewers or something! Tuned in for the first segment on Raw last monday for the first time in ages and what is it? Another shitty fake (insert topical person here) getting thrown out of the ring after a shitty thrown together segment. He just doesn't give a fuck. The toys sell, the dvds sell and he's still making plenty of money.

I tried watching TNA this week. It's awful. It's like watching Thunder. Hey look! It's Big Poppa' Pump! Hey, Old Sam Elliot Kevin Nash! Fucking Sting? Are you kidding me? He was old in WCW. The only chance TNA had was to try to be different and do their own shit and they couldn't stick with it. They buried Samoa Joe, they buried A.J. Styles... The two guys who could have carried the organization on their backs and brought in all the WWE/WCW/ECW rejects they could get to work. Christ Vince has more original talent on showcase, no matter how shit they are, on any single show and any given time compared to the lineup TNA shoves out there.

TNA is no competition whatsoever to Vince's empire in anyway and he knows it. TNA doesn't even have the cult following ECW used to have. No one would have stayed up to 1 a.m. on a Saturday night to watch this shit.

[brettmojo]

Hoo hoo!

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Yeah, but this worked.

[NickyL0885]

Ok. so Mr. Kennedy was let go but yet USA is still running promos for RAW about how he is back.

[3Setsof10]

I want to like TNA, I really do

I want to watch hoping they're showcasing new talent in the best way possible. I want to see compelling storylines and be entertained

I like that they utilize YouTube and their promos and filming look top notch

But man, they have all this at their disposal and THIS is what they come up with? Come on

Vince Russo still has a job there, doesn't he?

[styckx]

I haven't watched Raw in months. After the thing with the NBA I though last week hey, maybe Vince will take this as an opportunity to do something for once to grab new viewers or something! Tuned in for the first segment on Raw last monday for the first time in ages and what is it? Another shitty fake (insert topical person here) getting thrown out of the ring after a shitty thrown together segment. He just doesn't give a fuck. The toys sell, the dvds sell and he's still making plenty of money.

I tried watching TNA this week. It's awful. It's like watching Thunder. Hey look! It's Big Poppa' Pump! Hey, Old Sam Elliot Kevin Nash! Fucking Sting? Are you kidding me? He was old in WCW. The only chance TNA had was to try to be different and do their own shit and they couldn't stick with it. They buried Samoa Joe, they buried A.J. Styles... The two guys who could have carried the organization on their backs and brought in all the WWE/WCW/ECW rejects they could get to work. Christ Vince has more original talent on showcase, no matter how shit they are, on any single show and any given time compared to the lineup TNA shoves out there.

TNA is no competition whatsoever to Vince's empire in anyway and he knows it. TNA doesn't even have the cult following ECW used to have. No one would have stayed up to 1 a.m. on a Saturday night to watch this shit.


Every TNA match I've seen is one of two things

1 on 1: match of two of their most talented "wrestlers". This usually is the only decent match of a card

Everything else is straight out of the WCW playbook

8 on 8 spot fest match of awful which usually never ends cleanily because 7 more guys run in the ring to sabotage the match which just leads to some over the top gimmick match at a PPV.

You can make up the most redicilous shit in the world and no one would ever question if it was real cause TNA gimmick matches are some of the dumbest things ever

WE"VE CONSTRUCTED A 80FT INFLATABLE BALL PIT SURROUNDING 6 SIDES OF STEEL. IN EACH CORNER IS A NERF GUN! HANGING FROM A CHAIN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING IS DOINK THE CLOWN SITTING IN A DUNK TANK. THE PERSON WHO EITHER SHOOTS THE TANK TARGET W/ A NERF GUN OR THROWS A BALL FROM THE BALL PIT AND SINKS DOINK WINS!!!

[brettmojo]

Hoo hoo!

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See, I can't see the great shit that this is and then realize what crap it is right now. It's fucking depressing. I feel like Blowhard.

[TripleSkeet]

WWE is brutal with their drug policy. They have shown it doesn't matter if you are a Heat jobber or a main eventer, you fail, you're suspended, you will be buried when you return and have to earn your spot again.

Meh, I still think its suspect. It depends on the person. Theres no fucking way Batista doesnt juice. Its physically impossible to look that way without steroids. HHH too. I honestly believe most of their wrestlers juice, at least before they get there.

Notice they never say what drug test it is they are failing. I believe most of the suspensions and firing are from guys being caught with illegal drugs and painkillers then steroids.

The weird thing is the one guy I dont think juices is Cena. I dont know why. Maybe because his hands are huge. He just looks proportionately correct and not outrageously built like Orton or Batista.

[styckx]

Meh, I still think its suspect. It depends on the person.


I don't

http://timesnews.net/blogs/lane/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/chrismastersold.jpg

WWE tried pushing this guy every time he came back from testing positive. The Masterlock challenge was a HUGE storyline WWE was pushing to make Chris Masters the next big thing. Steriods, and fired his juicing ass.

Believe it or not, there are perfectly legal substances that can give you all that bulk. Most of which can be found @ GNC.

[TripleSkeet]

See, I can't see the great shit that this is and then realize what crap it is right now. It's fucking depressing. I feel like Blowhard.

WWE 24/7 man. Works for me. Everything they have on their "television classics" guide blows out every wrestling tv show on right now. And that includes the old Raws, Nitros, ECW, even World Championship Wrestling from the mid 80's.

[brettmojo]

I don't

http://timesnews.net/blogs/lane/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/chrismastersold.jpg

WWE tried pushing this guy every time he came back from testing positive. The Masterlock challenge was a HUGE storyline WWE was pushing to make Chris Masters the next big thing. Steriods, and fired his juicing ass.

Believe it or not, there are perfectly legal substances that can give you all that bulk. Most of which can be found @ GNC.
I remember how smaller he looked the first time he came back then quickly bulked back up again. :lol:

[TripleSkeet]

I don't

http://timesnews.net/blogs/lane/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/chrismastersold.jpg

WWE tried pushing this guy every time he came back from testing positive. The Masterlock challenge was a HUGE storyline WWE was pushing to make Chris Masters the next big thing. Steriods, and fired his juicing ass.

Believe it or not, there are perfectly legal substances that can give you all that bulk. Most of which can be found @ GNC.

Yea if you have 5 years and 4-5 hours a day to work out, which pro wrestlers dont have. Once these guys are bigtime they dont have the time to workout necessary to look that good.

The difference is Batista came in, destroyed and got pushed to the moon. Masters, like Kennedy, was a gradual push like MVP seeing what they can do in the mid-cards before going main event. Those are the guys I think they dont mind suspending for steroids. Main tier established guys that they owe big money too like Orton, Batista, even Jericho. When he came back he was bigger then he had ever been. I just dont believe that Vince McMahon is going to fuck up major storylines and cost himself major money over a positive steroid test. Especially because its pretty apparent he used them himself many times.

[Fallon]

Yea if you have 5 years and 4-5 hours a day to work out, which pro wrestlers dont have. Once these guys are bigtime they dont have the time to workout necessary to look that good.

The difference is Batista came in, destroyed and got pushed to the moon. Masters, like Kennedy, was a gradual push like MVP seeing what they can do in the mid-cards before going main event. Those are the guys I think they dont mind suspending for steroids. Main tier established guys that they owe big money too like Orton, Batista, even Jericho. When he came back he was bigger then he had ever been. I just dont believe that Vince McMahon is going to fuck up major storylines and cost himself major money over a positive steroid test. Especially because its pretty apparent he used them himself many times.

You must have forgot....

DEACON BATISTA!!!

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[3Setsof10]

I do agree that Batista is definitely on the gas. HHH as well- you don't tear quad muscles off the bone in normal every day life unless you're doing something you shouldn't.

They won't mess up their top main event guys but yeah, their testing is pretty stringent.

LOL at Deacon- Winstrol is a great drug

[cougarjake13]

I remember those segments, but who did they really help get over? Anyone? Besides making Kevin Nash look "cool" and "above" everyone he was working with



jay lethal the black machismo is the only one

[3Setsof10]

jay lethal the black machismo is the only one

Ugh, doing a retread of a character that's over 20 years old

Alex Shelley should be right in there in the mains on ability alone and he's in some tag team

More mic time for the Main Event Mafia- what a creative name

[styckx]

Main Event Mafia = NWO Version 2.0 Seniorized

[TripleSkeet]

Ugh, doing a retread of a character that's over 20 years old

Alex Shelley should be right in there in the mains on ability alone and he's in some tag team

More mic time for the Main Event Mafia- what a creative name

At least they HAVE a tag team division. I like the Motor City Machine Guns.

Oh, Deacon Batista was hilarious.

[3Setsof10]

Main Event Mafia = NWO Version 2.0 Seniorized

With the same bitching and whining "shoots"

I do like that Kurt Angle and his what, 8 or 10 years of ring time, is out there with guys like Steiner who have been wrestling since the mid-80s, and bitching like he's a grizzled veteran

[TripleSkeet]

By the way, while watching that Tony Schaivone clip I found this gem.....oh the ironing...
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If you have the chance watch all 5, wow that brought back memories. I loved Dr. D and felt he got fucked over for protecting the business. The guy was years ahead of his time....Stone Cold before Steve Austin.

[epo]

Main Event Mafia = NWO Version 2.0 Seniorized

Millionaire's Club?

[3Setsof10]

By the way, while watching that Tony Schaivone clip I found this gem.....oh the ironing...
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If you have the chance watch all 5, wow that brought back memories. I loved Dr. D and felt he got fucked over for protecting the business. The guy was years ahead of his time....Stone Cold before Steve Austin.

That is some find, good call on Dr. D. I bet Austin just watched his tapes for days on end

Wonder what Dr. D is doing now?

[Kevin]

I still watch it. To say I "like wrestling" still is pretty much a lie. I enjoy laughing at it more then I enjoy the actual product in a "good" way. The more serious they try to be the funnier it is to mock.

Took me a minute to find it but. The last time I attempted to watch TNA I saw this. I invite anyone to sit through this and not laugh once. If you can explain how shit like this is going to bump TNA (or WWE cause they do equally awful shit) to greatness I'll give you... A dollar.

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Main event mafia?


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[TripleSkeet]

I still watch it. To say I "like wrestling" still is pretty much a lie. I enjoy laughing at it more then I enjoy the actual product in a "good" way. The more serious they try to be the funnier it is to mock.

Took me a minute to find it but. The last time I attempted to watch TNA I saw this. I invite anyone to sit through this and not laugh once. If you can explain how shit like this is going to bump TNA (or WWE cause they do equally awful shit) to greatness I'll give you... A dollar.

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Sad part is thats louder then their regular crowds get.

[cougarjake13]

Ugh, doing a retread of a character that's over 20 years old




yeh it was funny as a comedy skit at the time but now almost 2 yrs later and hes still doing it

[conman823]

Not to add to the complete derailment of this thread but I have got to turn the tables on the WWE a little bit here.

Without quoting all the pure ignorant HATE of TNA in the last 3 pages I would like to point out a few things about WWE.

WWE has not produced a watchable Wrestlemania in the last 7 years. This is their flagship PPV, and it has consistantly stunk up the joint (with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 matches, which can be said for TNA as well). That in and of itself is a disgrace beyond belief.

TNA has Vince Russo, and god knows I hate that man, but WWE has Stephanie McMahon. No single "Creative Director" has show such little knowledge of the poduct and consistant disregard for "Wrestling History" then that over priveilaged skank. She prides herself on hiring writers from "Conan and SNL", in other words people with no knowledge of the brand and history of the product. This has lead to a unbalanced card which features far more Talk then wrestling. Her piss poor writers live to write the next PPV (which is always just 3 or 4 weeks away..overkill), and follow the same crap set up resulting in a mediocore match involving 2 people who we've seen wrestle 100 times before. Oh but most of the time with a twist, Cage Match, Hell in a cell, Last Man Standing. The point being, the same thing most people critize the TNA product for doing.

The DIVA division. End of statement.

The lack of any Tag Team wrestling angles or action. Combined with the fact that they push and feature The DIVA division. End of statement.

The complete lack of Talent that can draw fans and have entertaining matches. The constant force feeding of people to the Main Event who should barely be involved in the IC Title scene (i.e- RANDY ORTON). Couple that with the "foot on the throat" of guys who can produce what I mentioned before and you get unwatchable shit week after week. The truely sad part about this is that WWE will create a new generation of Fans who will think this is acceptable "Wrestling Action" and have no history to base it all on.

I could go on, but its all too easy to pick apart WWE today. Its just as easy as people say they can rip apart TNA today.

In closing I think the fact the WWE has gone unchallenged for so long, and put out a shitty product for so long, that people have become brainwashed.

[3Setsof10]

Not to add to the complete derailment of this thread but I have got to turn the tables on the WWE a little bit here.

Without quoting all the pure ignorant HATE of TNA in the last 3 pages I would like to point out a few things about WWE.

WWE has not produced a watchable Wrestlemania in the last 7 years. This is their flagship PPV, and it has consistantly stunk up the joint (with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 matches, which can be said for TNA as well). That in and of itself is a disgrace beyond belief.

TNA has Vince Russo, and god knows I hate that man, but WWE has Stephanie McMahon. No single "Creative Director" has show such little knowledge of the poduct and consistant disregard for "Wrestling History" then that over priveilaged skank. She prides herself on hiring writers from "Conan and SNL", in other words people with no knowledge of the brand and history of the product. This has lead to a unbalanced card which features far more Talk then wrestling. Her piss poor writers live to write the next PPV (which is always just 3 or 4 weeks away..overkill), and follow the same crap set up resulting in a mediocore match involving 2 people who we've seen wrestle 100 times before. Oh but most of the time with a twist, Cage Match, Hell in a cell, Last Man Standing. The point being, the same thing most people critize the TNA product for doing.

The DIVA division. End of statement.

The lack of any Tag Team wrestling angles or action. Combined with the fact that they push and feature The DIVA division. End of statement.

The complete lack of Talent that can draw fans and have entertaining matches. The constant force feeding of people to the Main Event who should barely be involved in the IC Title scene (i.e- RANDY ORTON). Couple that with the "foot on the throat" of guys who can produce what I mentioned before and you get unwatchable shit week after week. The truely sad part about this is that WWE will create a new generation of Fans who will think this is acceptable "Wrestling Action" and have no history to base it all on.

I could go on, but its all too easy to pick apart WWE today. Its just as easy as people say they can rip apart TNA today.

In closing I think the fact the WWE has gone unchallenged for so long, and put out a shitty product for so long, that people have become brainwashed.

You're a little too emotionally involved IMO

Hate Vince Russo?
That vitriol towards Stephanie McMahon?

Yikes

Not to mention the tag team thing...just because TNA proclaims over and over again that they have tag teams doesn't make them any better- makeshift teams for the sake of having tag teams isn't the better option

Russo has managed to kill or almost kill two national feds

[styckx]

You're a little too emotionally involved IMO

Hate Vince Russo?
That vitriol towards Stephanie McMahon?

Yikes

Not to mention the tag team thing...just because TNA proclaims over and over again that they have tag teams doesn't make them any better- makeshift teams for the sake of having tag teams isn't the better option

Russo has managed to kill or almost kill two national feds

Exactly. WWE isn't much better off itself but WWE excels in TNA in one area. Production. WWE can have the worst possible bit, angle, match, gimmick, but their production saves *just enough* face to keep it from totally bombing.

I nearly have a seizure every TNA match I watch because they switch camera angles literally every 1-3 seconds.

Again, no need to write paragraphs to express your opinion of a product. It's gay enough we talk about it. No need for essays.

[TripleSkeet]

conman, I agree with you 100% about Stephanie McMahon. Shell be the death of that company.

Vince Russo may be a complete asswipe, but if he has some to control the reigns and cut away the stupid shit, the guy can produce. He helped come up with alot of the angles during the Attitude Era....but again that was because he had Vince McMahon watching over to cut the dumb shit out, something he didnt have in WCW. Im not sure what his deal is in TNA but I know he has people watching over him and not all the control he had in WCW.

I also agree with the tag teams. TNA at least HAS a tag team division with plenty of legit tag teams. WWE has the Colon bros. and whoever is tagging with Brian Kendrick this week. Its pathetic.

And yea Styckx WWE has always been head and shoulders above with production.

[styckx]

You know what I miss? Redicously retarded in length title reigns. Do any of the belts really have a single ounce of.....Anything anymore? WTF is the U.S. Title and who cares about it? Are there even tag titles in the WWE anymore? They trade titles in WWE like common cards from a 1992 pack of Upperdeck baseball cards.

That shit is what drew the best heat. Give someone the belt, and defend that fucker for 4-5 months straight. People HATED Triple H cause he whored that belt up. The times he let it go though, the pop and good attention the person who beat him made the overall product so much better.

[conman823]

You're a little too emotionally involved IMO

Hate Vince Russo?
That vitriol towards Stephanie McMahon?

Yikes

Not to mention the tag team thing...just because TNA proclaims over and over again that they have tag teams doesn't make them any better- makeshift teams for the sake of having tag teams isn't the better option

Russo has managed to kill or almost kill two national feds

As usual when a counterpoint is made and you have nothing to respond with its "Your too emotionally involved", meanwhile who's been raggin the TNA product for like 12 posts? I ripped WWE to shit in one, and none of you have a decent comeback. I didn't even really put any thought into it.

Fireworks, music and pyro are not enough to save a shitty angle or wrestler. If it is for you then you have A.D.D..

[conman823]

People HATED Triple H cause he whored that belt up. The times he let it go though, the pop and good attention the person who beat him made the overall product so much better.

People Hated Triple H because he was the first in a long while to hold the title for so long. It wasn't for business it was because he passes the stuffing to Vince at Thanksgiving dinner. He has single handedly done more to bury any up and commers then anyone in the History of the Business.

[3Setsof10]

As usual when a counterpoint is made and you have nothing to respond with its "Your too emotionally involved", meanwhile who's been raggin the TNA product for like 12 posts? I ripped WWE to shit in one, and none of you have a decent comeback. I didn't even really put any thought into it.

Fireworks, music and pyro are not enough to save a shitty angle or wrestler. If it is for you then you have A.D.D..

You're not a day over 11, are you

You can criticize a product without having to write pages and pages about it

[3Setsof10]

People Hated Triple H because he was the first in a long while to hold the title for so long. It wasn't for business it was because he passes the stuffing to Vince at Thanksgiving dinner. He has single handedly done more to bury any up and commers then anyone in the History of the Business.

You cannot be serious with that last comment

Really?

[paulisded]

He has single handedly done more to bury any up and commers then anyone in the History of the Business.

Are you forgetting the final years of Hogan, Nash, and Company in WCW?

[styckx]

Is he forgetting HHH was on a show no one watches?

[3Setsof10]

Are you forgetting the final years of Hogan, Nash, and Company in WCW?

Is he forgetting HHH was on a show no one watches?

I mean, honest to God

Wasn't Hogan's first title run for almost five years?

[cougarjake13]

i'd definitely like it if they had only 6 ppv's instead of the 14 they have now

[cougarjake13]

You know what I miss? Redicously retarded in length title reigns. Do any of the belts really have a single ounce of.....Anything anymore? WTF is the U.S. Title and who cares about it? Are there even tag titles in the WWE anymore? They trade titles in WWE like common cards from a 1992 pack of Upperdeck baseball cards.

That shit is what drew the best heat. Give someone the belt, and defend that fucker for 4-5 months straight. People HATED Triple H cause he whored that belt up. The times he let it go though, the pop and good attention the person who beat him made the overall product so much better.



ive said it a few times in this forum

we hear nothing about the ic or us belts until the wwe decides its time to change hands, then whoever the new guy is that gets it goes into obscurity, rarely defends it until the wwe decides its time to change hands again

[conman823]

I mean, honest to God

Wasn't Hogan's first title run for almost five years?

Yeah and it was that run that built the WWE there is today.

nice point, it built the company.

Your "continue the argument with no good points" guy.

Are you forgetting the final years of Hogan, Nash, and Company in WCW?

Different situation. Those guys were given creative control over their "characters".

Who has HHH put over that the reign wasn't short and went nowhere?

[styckx]

Different situation. Those guys were given creative control over their "characters".


Let me get this straight. Hogan etc given creative control of their characters = Ok

HHH given creative control of his character = He's an ass ruining the company and burying people


Gotcha

[3Setsof10]

Yeah and it was that run that built the WWE there is today.

nice point, it built the company.

Your "continue the argument with no good points" guy.



Different situation. Those guys were given creative control over their "characters".

Who has HHH put over that the reign wasn't short and went nowhere?

OK, you're a fucking idiot- Hogan kept down God knows how many people in his five years on top.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

Let me get this straight. Hogan etc given creative control of their characters = Ok

HHH given creative control of his character = He's an ass ruining the company and burying people


Gotcha

Oh come on, that makes PERFECT sense!

Did HHH steal his lunch money or something?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

According to reports online, Chris Masters is in talks of making a return.

[Heather 8]

According to reports online, Chris Masters is in talks of making a return.

You have got to be kidding me.

[3Setsof10]

According to reports online, Chris Masters is in talks of making a return.

Kennedy supposedly said in response "Son of a Bitch!"

....

"Bitch!"

[styckx]

OK, you're a fucking idiot- Hogan kept down God knows how many people in his five years on top.


Exactly.. Also, love or hate the guy, I'll always love HBK for doing this. NEVER gets old no matter how many times I watch it.

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[3Setsof10]

Exactly.. Also, love or hate the guy, I'll always love HBK for doing this. NEVER gets old no matter how many times I watch it.

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HBK is a tough guy to support for most of the reasons already stated, but that is fucking hilarious

[jab]

that hbk hogan match is one of my favorite wrestling matches of all time. so funny.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Kennedy supposedly said in response "Son of a Bitch!"

....

"Bitch!"

Damn that's good. Speaking of Kennedy, this was a video he posted himself on his Facebook page.

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[cougarjake13]

Yeah and it was that run that built the WWE there is today.

nice point, it built the company.

Your "continue the argument with no good points" guy.



Different situation. Those guys were given creative control over their "characters".

Who has HHH put over that the reign wasn't short and went nowhere?





have you ever heard of john cena ???

[styckx]

have you ever heard of john cena ???

Or the biggest put over ever. Not only did the job, but tapped out, which is even more respectful then just laying down. Oh yah, at WM, at MSG. Yeah...

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[epo]

HHH also played a role in the building of the Jericho character being a heavyweight title contender:

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[TripleSkeet]

Damn that's good. Speaking of Kennedy, this was a video he posted himself on his Facebook page.

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I hope he goes to TNA. He was one of the few people I liked watching in the WWE.

[3Setsof10]

Or the biggest put over ever. Not only did the job, but tapped out, which is even more respectful then just laying down. Oh yah, at WM, at MSG. Yeah...

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HHH also played a role in the building of the Jericho character being a heavyweight title contender:

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HHH is the DEVIL!

Nice argument there, too bad it's not supported by actual facts

[3Setsof10]

I hope he goes to TNA. He was one of the few people I liked watching in the WWE.

The latest Observer has a lot of great info on why he was canned

Long story short, great charisma, great gimmick, really bad luck with injuries and needs to shut up outside the ring

[styckx]

The latest Observer has a lot of great info on why he was canned

Long story short, great charisma, great gimmick, really bad luck with injuries and needs to shut up outside the ring

Remember once upon a time when Vince turned real backstage heat into angles to spread some of that realism out to TV? Now he just fires people and points at 20 yes man to write the next 10 minute Miz promo line for line.

God does wrestling suck a million dicks anymore.

[3Setsof10]

Remember once upon a time when Vince turned real backstage heat into angles to spread some of that realism out to TV? Now he just fires people and points at 20 yes man to write the next 10 minute Miz promo line for line.

God does wrestling suck a million dicks anymore.

I have not watched a full show of...well, anything, in over a year

It truly sucks that the winner will get to rewrite history as the mid to late 90s had some great great stuff to watch for so many different reasons, and all people will remember is the the WWF had something to do with all of it, which is so untrue

[The Jays]

I have no clue how John Cena got the belt so many times, and I have no clue how they could have an angle with a midget named Hornswaggle as Vince's son. Honestly, is it so fucking hard to just put out good wrestling matches?? Can't that be enough? I mean, they have talent that is capable of doing a good match. Who gives a shit about some elaborate storyline? How bout the main storyline be that, hey, there's this federation of wrestlers all vying to become the champion, and they need to wrestle and win to become said champion. How fucking hard is that?

[Fallon]

Exactly.. Also, love or hate the guy, I'll always love HBK for doing this. NEVER gets old no matter how many times I watch it.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I've never seen that before.

Stupid JR trying to cover for Hogan.

[Sue_Bender]

I have no clue how John Cena got the belt so many times, and I have no clue how they could have an angle with a midget named Hornswaggle as Vince's son. Honestly, is it so fucking hard to just put out good wrestling matches?? Can't that be enough? I mean, they have talent that is capable of doing a good match. Who gives a shit about some elaborate storyline? How bout the main storyline be that, hey, there's this federation of wrestlers all vying to become the champion, and they need to wrestle and win to become said champion. How fucking hard is that?


This is MADNESS!!

[TripleSkeet]

I have no clue how John Cena got the belt so many times, and I have no clue how they could have an angle with a midget named Hornswaggle as Vince's son. Honestly, is it so fucking hard to just put out good wrestling matches?? Can't that be enough? I mean, they have talent that is capable of doing a good match. Who gives a shit about some elaborate storyline? How bout the main storyline be that, hey, there's this federation of wrestlers all vying to become the champion, and they need to wrestle and win to become said champion. How fucking hard is that?

Theres nothing wrong with a good storyline, but the key is to keep it simple. The minute you start all the elaborate bullshit you see in soap operas, thats when it gets retarded. Like Edge marrying Vicky Guerrero. Or Vince McMahons attempted assanination THAT THEY NEVER EVEN FUCKING EXPLIANED!

Simple shit. Stone Cold doesnt like to be told what to do by his boss. The Undertaker threatened this guys daughter. The Rock is tired of taking orders from Farooq. Shawn Michaels is tired of having Marty Jannety holding him down by losing their matches. Owen Hart is sick of being in Brets shadow. Simple shit like this ALWAYS works.

[TripleSkeet]

By the way, tonight on WWE 24/7 I watched the Raw leading up to the Royal Rumble when Austin puts all the entrants on notice. Man talk about seeing how far something has fallen. Austin had 6 segments. Ran out and stunned 5 different guys, had a total of about 2 minutes of screen time, and just made the show completely fucking awesome.

[styckx]

Or even more simple

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[conman823]

HHH is the DEVIL!

Nice argument there, too bad it's not supported by actual facts

Chris Benoit won the title from a Triple H tap out and lost it 5 months later to Randy Orton ( HHH's Boy). Never held it again. Way to build that Main Event Status.

Chris Jericho won his first REAL World Title by defeating Rock and SCSA in the same night. Great job to those guys for putting him over, but lost it to...........hmmm........ oh yeah HHH at WM. Has still never held the belt again.

Great examples.


Please don't continue this because you guys are just WWE Marks. Look at the big picture.

Edit:
Oh and Cena won his first Title from JBL.

[TjM]

By the way, tonight on WWE 24/7 I watched the Raw leading up to the Royal Rumble when Austin puts all the entrants on notice. Man talk about seeing how far something has fallen. Austin had 6 segments. Ran out and stunned 5 different guys, had a total of about 2 minutes of screen time, and just made the show completely fucking awesome.

Was watching that last night. I forgot how good it used to be. On a side note. Vince fired a writer recently for merely suggesting they turn Cena heel (I think that would work. I like Cena but for the people who don't it would give them a reason to boo)

[CYYYFYYY]

Let it be known I am not a fan of Cena, however the man brings in a hell of alot of money to the company. Hence him being so big time. If a guy did not draw attention/money he does not make it big. Also Jericho did win the heavey weight belt again. I am one of the few rare people in this section who actually likes the wwe.

[TjM]

They also seem to be trying to elevate new guys to the ME level. MVP seems to be getting a push and Kennedy was going to until he almost hurt Randy Orton

[3Setsof10]

Chris Benoit won the title from a Triple H tap out and lost it 5 months later to Randy Orton ( HHH's Boy). Never held it again. Way to build that Main Event Status.

Chris Jericho won his first REAL World Title by defeating Rock and SCSA in the same night. Great job to those guys for putting him over, but lost it to...........hmmm........ oh yeah HHH at WM. Has still never held the belt again.

Great examples.


Please don't continue this because you guys are just WWE Marks. Look at the big picture.

Edit:
Oh and Cena won his first Title from JBL.

Hahahahaha

You're flat out the biggest mark in the entire thread, don't try to put yourself up on some pedestal

There are countless examples of HHH helping to elevate someone, but you're so enraged about him that I doubt any would sink in. HINT: They don't always have to be title matches

Great argument there with Benoit, who decided to derail his own career with that whole murder/suicide thing. You have no idea how many times he'd have won it under different circumstances

[styckx]

That conman guys makes me never want to watch wrestling again. Holy shit. He's THAT guy. Spends hours upon hours thinking of witty signs, hangs by the parking garage to shout catch phrases, owns every wrestlers t-shirt, probably gets in enraged battles @ WWE fan zone, youtubes wrestling matches from RAW 2008 on his Xbox 360.

He's gotta be THAT guy.

[TripleSkeet]

Was watching that last night. I forgot how good it used to be. On a side note. Vince fired a writer recently for merely suggesting they turn Cena heel (I think that would work. I like Cena but for the people who don't it would give them a reason to boo)

Thats really what they need to do. I actually like Cena as a wrestler. Hes big, he can talk, and hes a legit main eventer. But his gimmick is just fucking lame. Its almost like a parody of the 80's Hulk Hogan. With the announcers constantly acting amazed with every superman comeback and feat of strength. Its fucking embarrassing. Turning him heel is the key. And it wouldnt hurt his merchandise sales. I dont get that. Tons of heels have sold merch. The nWo? DX? HHH? Austin 3:16??? They were all heel merchandise! Why is there this notion that only good guys sell merchandise?

Or even more simple

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Hahahahaha as dumb as that was, I really liked the Billy and Chuck marriage storyline the WWE did awhile back.

[3Setsof10]

That conman guys makes me never want to watch wrestling again. Holy shit. He's THAT guy. Spends hours upon hours thinking of witty signs, hangs by the parking garage to shout catch phrases, owns every wrestlers t-shirt, probably gets in enraged battles @ WWE fan zone, youtubes wrestling matches from RAW 2008 on his Xbox 360.

He's gotta be THAT guy.

Hahahaha

The best part of this to me is that HHH is clearly very good in his role, I mean this guy is just enraged.

I cannot believe he thinks the nWo guys and HBK are better for the business than HHH

THAT guy. LOL

[cougarjake13]

Chris Benoit won the title from a Triple H tap out and lost it 5 months later to Randy Orton ( HHH's Boy). Never held it again. Way to build that Main Event Status.

Chris Jericho won his first REAL World Title by defeating Rock and SCSA in the same night. Great job to those guys for putting him over, but lost it to...........hmmm........ oh yeah HHH at WM. Has still never held the belt again.

Great examples.


Please don't continue this because you guys are just WWE Marks. Look at the big picture.

Edit:
Oh and Cena won his first Title from JBL.




you didnt ask who cena won his first title from

u asked who has triple h put over that didnt have a short reign and thats cena




and jericho has won the title again, last year when he came back, short reign but he still held it again

[conman823]

That conman guys makes me never want to watch wrestling again. Holy shit. He's THAT guy. Spends hours upon hours thinking of witty signs, hangs by the parking garage to shout catch phrases, owns every wrestlers t-shirt, probably gets in enraged battles @ WWE fan zone, youtubes wrestling matches from RAW 2008 on his Xbox 360.

He's gotta be THAT guy.

Personnel attacks really back up your point. At least "3 inches of cock" enjoys it.

you didnt ask who cena won his first title from

u asked who has triple h put over that didnt have a short reign and thats cena

and jericho has won the title again, last year when he came back, short reign but he still held it again

I responded to examples given.

I give up, you guys are right. Triple H is the best in the business. Hands down. :surrender::surrender::surrender::surrender:

[Sue_Bender]

Personnel attacks really back up your point. At least "3 inches of cock" enjoys it.



I responded to examples given.

I give up, you guys are right. Triple H is the best in the business. Hands down. :surrender::surrender::surrender::surrender:


Wait...

no he isn't.

[3Setsof10]

Personnel attacks really back up your point. At least "3 inches of cock" enjoys it.



I responded to examples given.

I give up, you guys are right. Triple H is the best in the business. Hands down. :surrender::surrender::surrender::surrender:

Hahahahaha

BTW you started with the personal attacks- and it appears you're really terrible at keeping pace with what you've started

And HHH at least tries, unlike many of the ones you felt were so much better for the business.

At least it'll keep you out of the thread

[Heather 8]

Umaga was just released. Meltzer says "more to come."

Spring cleaning time!

[styckx]

All of his 1's of fans will be mourning his lose

[3Setsof10]

All of his 1's of fans were be mourning his lose

Three strikes and you're out

I'd bet real money on that one- and I'd sure love to know WTF he continues to get busted for, cause if it's steroids they have no effect on him

[styckx]

Three strikes and you're out

I'd bet real money on that one- and I'd sure love to know WTF he continues to get busted for, cause if it's steroids they have no effect on him

See, I don't follow wrestling news that much, he was busted for stuff before? I had no idea.

[3Setsof10]

See, I don't follow wrestling news that much, he was busted for stuff before? I had no idea.

I check Meltzer's site and know people who know people who know...

Oh never mind, that's as stupid and lame as it sounds

But yeah, he is not a fan of the Wellness policy apparently

[Heather 8]

He was one of many wrestlers listed as being involved in an online pharmacy ring back in 2007. His drug of choice was somatropin (HGH).

[styckx]

I'm sure he'll go over to TNA where they probably hand that crap out like tic-tacs

[3Setsof10]

He was one of many wrestlers listed as being involved in an online pharmacy ring back in 2007. His drug of choice was somatropin (HGH).

HGH Fail

He's a fat guy, why would anyone need HGH for that?

I'm sure he'll go over to TNA where they probably hand that crap out like tic-tacs

Among other things

It'll be real sad when they start dropping like flies in that fed

[CYYYFYYY]

I kinda liked Umaga. Won't miss him too much though. My money is he ends up with Samoa Joe on TNA

[TripleSkeet]

Im thinking painkillers.

See I cant honestly believe that no wrestler in the WWE uses steroids. That just cant be. It is physically impossible to look like Batista or Randy Orton without steroids. Especially on a wrestlers schedule. They dont have 4 hours a day to work out.

I still think 85% of the wrestlers juice, but its the painkillers that McMahon has zero tolerance for.

[Fallon]

All of his 1's of fans will be mourning his lose

notsam WWE Releases Umaga!! Noooooooabout 2 hours ago from UberTwitter

[conman823]

Im thinking painkillers.

See I cant honestly believe that no wrestler in the WWE uses steroids. That just cant be. It is physically impossible to look like Batista or Randy Orton without steroids. Especially on a wrestlers schedule. They dont have 4 hours a day to work out.

I still think 85% of the wrestlers juice, but its the painkillers that McMahon has zero tolerance for.

Kurt Angle said that Vince made him de-tox from Painkillers while wrestling on the road (allegedly).

Thats just one of a million "Vince is a douchebag" stories over the years. The guy can make you a Million Dollars under the right conditions, but it seems to be a BIG price to pay in the long run.

Good bye Umaga, I will miss the way William Regal said your name.

[MC Pee Pants]

I just saw 3:10 to Yuma. I liked it a lot but I didnt get why Russel Crow decided to help at the end. I understand that he thought the guy was righteous and all but couldnt he have called off his goons?

[TripleSkeet]

I just saw 3:10 to Yuma. I liked it a lot but I didnt get why Russel Crow decided to help at the end. I understand that he thought the guy was righteous and all but couldnt he have called off his goons?

Wrong thread brother.

Kurt Angle said that Vince made him de-tox from Painkillers while wrestling on the road (allegedly).

Thats just one of a million "Vince is a douchebag" stories over the years. The guy can make you a Million Dollars under the right conditions, but it seems to be a BIG price to pay in the long run.

Good bye Umaga, I will miss the way William Regal said your name.

I seriously dont think Vince is concerned with steroids. To be honest, I wouldnt be either. This isnt the 70's. Guys know about cycles and regulating their doses to eliminate risk. Steroids when used the right way can do alot of good for a wrestler. Especially regarding injuries.

But the painkillers have always been the problem. Ive read about 25 wrestling autobiographies and every one of them say how dangerous and rampant painkillers were and are in the world of wrestling. Guys do them just to get through matches until their bodies become immune and they have to up the dosage. Not to mention alot of guys also throw alcohol into the mix. Prescription drugs is how you wind up with tragedies like Eddie Guerrero, Brian Pillman and Chris Benoit...not steroids.

[conman823]

Wrong thread brother.



I seriously dont think Vince is concerned with steroids. To be honest, I wouldnt be either. This isnt the 70's. Guys know about cycles and regulating their doses to eliminate risk. Steroids when used the right way can do alot of good for a wrestler. Especially regarding injuries.

But the painkillers have always been the problem. Ive read about 25 wrestling autobiographies and every one of them say how dangerous and rampant painkillers were and are in the world of wrestling. Guys do them just to get through matches until their bodies become immune and they have to up the dosage. Not to mention alot of guys also throw alcohol into the mix. Prescription drugs is how you wind up with tragedies like Eddie Guerrero, Brian Pillman and Chris Benoit...not steroids.

I read a lot of those autobiography's also, and I think this current generation is learning from a lot of the mistakes of those old timers. I think there's better education as far as how and when to use steroids and get off of them, but I do think its a Health concern for the wrestlers. I also think that Vince McMahon and the WWE Machine has made it clear that only that "Big Look" can get you in the Main Event etc. The pressure to perform and remain in the spot light is another aspect of those Autobiography's. Thats a main link to Steroid/ Painkiller use. The 2 are connected in my eyes as far as Sports Entertainment goes.

[styckx]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/2476291/WWE-fired-Umaga-for-failing-a-drug-test-and-refusing-rehab.html

Drugs it is

[TripleSkeet]

I read a lot of those autobiography's also, and I think this current generation is learning from a lot of the mistakes of those old timers. I think there's better education as far as how and when to use steroids and get off of them, but I do think its a Health concern for the wrestlers. I also think that Vince McMahon and the WWE Machine has made it clear that only that "Big Look" can get you in the Main Event etc. The pressure to perform and remain in the spot light is another aspect of those Autobiography's. Thats a main link to Steroid/ Painkiller use. The 2 are connected in my eyes as far as Sports Entertainment goes.

I agree about the fact that without steroids, your chances of getting big enough to be a legit main eventer is slim. But I dont think the steroids are connected with the painkillers as much as you do.

I think the biggest cause for the painkillers is the schedule. These guys are usually wrestling minimum of 4 nights a week. Now compared to back in the day thats nothing, but back then the matches were mostly just holds and maneuvers where theres alot more high impact and aerial moves now. Their bodies dont get a chance to stop being sore. You combine that with the travel schedule and you get guys that get hooked on the painkillers just so they can get a decent nights sleep in between venues.

[3Setsof10]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/2476291/WWE-fired-Umaga-for-failing-a-drug-test-and-refusing-rehab.html

Drugs it is

"Go to rehab or you can't work"

"No!"

What a dummy

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Wonder how long before Eddie Fatu returns to TNA? For those of you who don't know he had a brief stint as the bodyguard of Sonny Siaki under the name Ekmo, his original name as a member of the Island Boyz.

[Heather 8]

If anything, he'll probably hang out in WXW for a while along with Manu/Afa Jr.

[Section 8]

I think the biggest cause for the painkillers is the schedule. These guys are usually wrestling minimum of 4 nights a week. Now compared to back in the day thats nothing, but back then the matches were mostly just holds and maneuvers where theres alot more high impact and aerial moves now. Their bodies dont get a chance to stop being sore. You combine that with the travel schedule and you get guys that get hooked on the painkillers just so they can get a decent nights sleep in between venues.

I can tell you right now that my body doesn't stop being sore for at least another day or two after a match (and I normally wrestle 2-3 times a month). I can deal with most pain without meds. There are times however (like after getting punted legit in the head by a 400-pounder, or when my shoulder/arm gets jammed into the ringpost and meds are necessary. I don't know how my body is going to hold out after the next 6 weeks (wrestling every weekend from next Saturday thru July with some Friday nights thrown in for good measure).

The WWE needs to have at least one legitimate traveling pain management doc with each promotion/show.

[Freitag]

The WWE needs to have at least one legitimate traveling pain management doc with each promotion/show.

The ultimate CM Punk Nemesis.

[foodcourtdruide]

The ultimate CM Punk Nemesis.

I was thinking if CM Punk got caught doing steroids and got suspended it could lead to an absolutely great heel turn.

[Freitag]

I was thinking if CM Punk got caught doing steroids and got suspended it could lead to an absolutely great heel turn.

they are saying that punk could turn tonight and bash Jeff for his past problems.

[Dirtbag]

they are saying that punk could turn tonight and bash Jeff for his past problems.

I watched some of Punk's ROH best of's and I really wish WWE would give him half a chance to do stuff like that. God knows he's got plenty of targets there.

[PilotJeff]

Add Sim Snuka and Candice Michelle to the list. Both up at WWE.com

[Tenbatsuzen]

Add Sim Snuka and Candice Michelle to the list. Both up at WWE.com

Candice? Really? Wow. Did she do anything after that neck injury?

[Chimee]

Candice? Really? Wow. Did she do anything after that neck injury?

She got injured whenever she got within ten feet of a ring. No mystery there.

[cougarjake13]

Candice? Really? Wow. Did she do anything after that neck injury?

not really


she came out a few times as mickies friend but i dont remember her wrestling much

[MagillaGorillaz]

Sim Snuka, now that was potential that the writers really didn't take advantage of. Espicially during the Jericho vs the old school wrestlers feud. The possabilties were endless. You could have put him in the cheetah tights and take on the Superfly persona. I guess he couldn't do the high flying moves that would have come with that. All he was still Deuce with a new name.

[styckx]

How does Vince expect any of these people to break out when everyone is handed the standard issue wrestler shorts, given a $3.00 tour in cutting a promo by having them constantly saying such things as

"Well ya know last week on RAW when you"

"grrrrrrrGrrrrrrrGrrrrR"

"It's not over yet"

"We'll see about that"

[Hosp]

I think the Divas are the most expendable people on the roster, and like it's been said already, she suffered from Mr. Kennedy syndrome where you spend more time on the DL then you do on tour.

Plus, they severed their Playboy deal and there was no further use for her.

[cougarjake13]

I think the Divas are the most expendable people on the roster, and like it's been said already, she suffered from Mr. Kennedy syndrome where you spend more time on the DL then you do on tour.

Plus, they severed their Playboy deal and there was no further use for her.



yeh i was wondering why they didnt have a diva this year in playboy

[PilotJeff]

Add THE Brian Kendrick to the list. So long good sir. He just wrestled this Monday (if you can call his match wrestling... it was what, 10 seconds?) I wish they had carried on with his most recent storyline in finding a new partner, instead of saddling him with worthless wastes of roster space like Gold Dust and the biscuits and gravy retard.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Yeah, that storyline never really did flesh out. That's shocking to me that they'd drop the ball on a storyline to develop a younger talent in the middle of it only to release him when they ran out of ideas.

[PilotJeff]

Hopefully he'll head over to TNA as I did enjoy his in-ring work. Of course, at TNA, Russo will probably give him some lame gimmick from the late 1990's WCW and let the Main Event Mafia beat him around awhile before reducing him to jobber status.

[TripleSkeet]

I just met him on Sunday. REALLY cool kid. That sucks. They did NOTHING to help that kid along.

[cougarjake13]

I just met him on Sunday. REALLY cool kid. That sucks. They did NOTHING to help that kid along.

once they broke up the tag team with london i knew his days were numbered


then when they took the bodyguard away from him so he could go single i knew THE brian kendrick would soon be gone

[King Hippos Bandaid]

The Future Endeavors

[conman823]

Hopefully he'll head over to TNA as I did enjoy his in-ring work. Of course, at TNA, Russo will probably give him some lame gimmick from the late 1990's WCW and let the Main Event Mafia beat him around awhile before reducing him to jobber status.

Um yeah, only about 60% of this is true regarding what goes on at TNA.

[TripleSkeet]

once they broke up the tag team with london i knew his days were numbered


then when they took the bodyguard away from him so he could go single i knew THE brian kendrick would soon be gone

Its funny some kid asked him "Do you miss Paul London?" and he said with the most sincere look on his face "Yea, I really do."

[CruelCircus]

Jesus Christ, didn't they have him fighting for the world title last fall?

Fickle people over at WWE.

[cougarjake13]

Jesus Christ, didn't they have him fighting for the world title last fall?

Fickle people over at WWE.



i dont think that was ever a real serious shot

they just had no one else to throw in that mix, one of the guys you know is just there to lose to advance a more likely main event guy to the next level of the tourney

[RingWraith]

Add THE Brian Kendrick to the list. So long good sir. He just wrestled this Monday (if you can call his match wrestling... it was what, 10 seconds?) I wish they had carried on with his most recent storyline in finding a new partner, instead of saddling him with worthless wastes of roster space like Gold Dust and the biscuits and gravy retard.


And yet, Mark Henry is STILL employed!!! Sigh.:down:

[cougarjake13]

And yet, Mark Henry is STILL employed!!! Sigh.:down:

he's a big guy that they can use as an lower tier main eventer with no real shot of winning the belt

[MIKEYDAKEN]

he's a big guy that they can use as an lower tier main eventer with no real shot of winning the belt

until michael hayes starts droppin N bombs again

[Heather 8]

WWE has come to terms on the release of SmackDown Superstar Ricky Ortiz as of today, Aug. 8, 2009. We wish Ricky the best in all future endeavors.

Oh, what took you so long, Vince?

[MagillaGorillaz]

WWE has come to terms on the release of SmackDown Superstar Ricky Ortiz as of today, Aug. 8, 2009. We wish Ricky the best in all future endeavors.

Oh, what took you so long, Vince?

But, but, what am I to do with my Ricky Ortiz rally towel?

[MIKEYDAKEN]

But, but, what am I to do with my Ricky Ortiz rally towel?

mail it to tna this way it will be there to greet him when he goes to a fed that wants to push young talent

[Heather 8]

mail it to tna this way it will be there to greet him when he goes to a fed that wants to push young guys who kinda sorta suck

I know, right?

[Dirtbag]

Most of the young guys in TNA don't suck, they're just spot monkeys.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I know, right?

never said he was awesome but the kid could be a mid level star if used better or at all but vince needs to have the same 3-6 in the same main event for the last 5 years. hell i don't know anyone who has ordered a ppv since WMXX

[whorehay]

Eugene released.

WWE has come to terms on the release of WWE Superstar Eugene as of August 14, 2009. We wish Eugene the best in all future endeavors.
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/eugenerelease

<a href="http://xs.to"><img src="http://xs142.xs.to/xs142/09335/11264582874.jpeg" title=></a>

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Nick "Eugene" Dinsmore has been released from the company. later retard

[brettmojo]

Wasn't he already gone?

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Wasn't he already gone?

no they brought him back to bring the miz back it seems just to dump him again. maybe he failed his 4th wellness test

[cougarjake13]

such a shame


i heard he was good in the ovw and sadly got stuck with the eugene gimmick

[CYYYFYYY]

How sad he could not stop doing drugs so he could have a damn job

[3Setsof10]

I'm thinking it was more of him looking like absolute shit on TV last week than him failiing a drug test, as they have to publicize that and they haven't with him

Knowing Vince McMahon he no doubt took at look at him on RAW last week, said to someone "Who is this out of shape slob?" and that was it

[CYYYFYYY]

I agree it always shocks me that they sign the guy they appear on tv once (if that) and then release them. Do they not take a look at them before they sign them/ It always confused the crap out of me.

[jab]

he was probably back and 'signed' for one match and then put it up for kayfabe. oh wait its wwe they dont use kayfabe. he was prob in the developmental fed. maybe now he will go to tna and be awesome. like everyone else. that happened right?

[whorehay]

well he DID lose that "contract on a pole" match.
like the Wellness policy, the WWE takes their stipulation matches very seriously.

[Edwin]

I just read every page of this thread. I need serious help.

But I was quite entertained.

[conman823]

From 411maina......

TNA Releases BG James and Jim Cornette
Posted by Larry Csonka on 09.15.2009

Two surprising departures from TNA…

- TNA released BG James today. James had been working as an agent and had been receiving good reports from the talent. James has been with the company for almost the entire existence of TNA.

- TNA has also released Jim Cornette. Cornette has been working in the production truck at the Impact tapings lately as well as helping out the younger talent. Cornette has been with the company since 2006.


Both of these were coming, although I still don't see why Cornette can't keep a job.

[Hosp]

World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of ECW Superstar Tommy Dreamer as of today, Monday, January 4, 2010. We wish Tommy the best in all future endeavors.

Makes sense since he lost the career threatening match a few weeks back, but I thought he was doing road agent work for them.

[GregPointer]

I reckon I will get much use out of this thread. Dang good entertainment. Not as good as wrastlin hogs, but good enough.

[Don Stugots]

World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of ECW Superstar Tommy Dreamer as of today, Monday, January 4, 2010. We wish Tommy the best in all future endeavors.

Makes sense since he lost the career threatening match a few weeks back, but I thought he was doing road agent work for them.


he asked for his release a week or 2 ago. rumor has it that he will go to TNA to wrestle and maybe as an agent.

[Hosp]

he asked for his release a week or 2 ago. rumor has it that he will go to TNA to wrestle and maybe as an agent.


He's expecting to wrestle during Hogan's TNA? At least then there is the outside chance for a Raven/Dreamer match 12 years later...

[CYYYFYYY]

Dreamer won;t make it to TNA, not with Hogan in Charge. In fact it will be shocking if Raven and Richards last another 90 days. There first MAtch under Hogan lasted a good 3 minutes and that was a tag match.

[MagillaGorillaz]

Vickie Guerrero's boy toy Eric Escobar has been released.

[cougarjake13]

Vickie Guerrero's boy toy Eric Escobar has been released.

who ??

[Bob Impact]

Shane Helms, Paul Burchill and Maria today. Spring cleaning starts.... NOW!

[Hosp]

They really got rid of Maria? That makes no sense. She's about to be everywhere with the Celebrity Apprentice thing. I guess she didn't win.

[Bob Impact]

They really got rid of Maria? That makes no sense. She's about to be everywhere with the Celebrity Apprentice thing. I guess she didn't win.

I have the feeling it was her that wanted out, not the other way around.

[brettmojo]

blah blah blah, blahblah blah and Maria.

Way to gay up the WWE. That sucks.

[TripleSkeet]

With Maria gone, Mickie James is pretty much the only diva left that even stands out. The rest I could walk by on the street and not even know they worked for the WWE.

[Hosp]

I have the feeling it was her that wanted out, not the other way around.

Ah, well then, maybe she can give Sable, Sunny, Stacy Keibler, and Chyna a call and they can show her the ropes of the choice of a post WWE life.

[brettmojo]

MariaLKanellis (http://twitter.com/MariaLKanellis)
Alright guys let's talk. I did not ask for my release. I was released.. http://tl.gd/c2e6h

Fuck WWE.

[midwestjeff]

Fuck WWE.

If you ever link me to Twitter again I will kill you.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ah, well then, maybe she can give Sable, Sunny, Stacy Keibler, and Chyna a call and they can show her the ropes of the choice of a post WWE life.

Sable and Stacy are doing pretty well for themselves... Sable's a housewife married to Brock with a kid, and Stacy's gotten work in Hollywood...

[brettmojo]

If you ever link me to Twitter again I will kill you.
Copy/paste copy/paste...

[King Imp]

Just like there is the Madden curse with football players, there is definitely a Playboy curse with WWE Divas. Every one of them that posed have been fired usually about a year or two after.

[brettmojo]

RIP...

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6728/dsc00885bv9.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

Sable and Stacy are doing pretty well for themselves... Sable's a housewife married to Brock with a kid, and Stacy's gotten work in Hollywood...

And Trish has her own business.

I dont see where this move makes sense. Hes got a shitload of Divas that contribute nothing to the WWE that he couldve gotten rid of. Instead he gets rid of the hottest one.

Brilliant Vince. Id expect nothing less.

[brettmojo]

He thinks they're interchangeable. Yet he has never had a manager/eye candy chick rise to the level of popularity like Sunny had or even Sable since them.

[TripleSkeet]

He thinks they're interchangeable. Yet he has never had a manager/eye candy chick rise to the level of popularity like Sunny had or even Sable since them.

I think Sable, Trish and Chyna pretty much passed Sunny. Just for the fact that WWE was 10 times bigger and was pulling in 2 1/2 times the ratings when those women were around then when Sunny was there.

If Trish had decided to do Playboy Im pretty sure it wouldve been the highest selling Playboy ever.

[Sinestro]

I think Sable, Trish and Chyna pretty much passed Sunny. Just for the fact that WWE was 10 times bigger and was pulling in 2 1/2 times the ratings when those women were around then when Sunny was there.

If Trish had decided to do Playboy Im pretty sure it wouldve been the highest selling Playboy ever.

Did they pass Elizabeth status???

[TripleSkeet]

Did they pass Elizabeth status???

Nope. She was the first and the biggest.

[brettmojo]

I just confirmed it, Maria will be on Special Delivery tonight.

MariaLKanellis (http://twitter.com/MariaLKanellis)
Yes. And they will be playing my music! RT @brettmojo (http://twitter.com/brettmojo) @MariaLKanellis (http://twitter.com/MariaLKanellis) Are you going to be on SPECIAL DELIVERY http://tl.gd/caoon

[Tenbatsuzen]

I didn't hear Maria's interview, but unless this is some sort of kayfabe setup for the Apprentice, firing Maria makes no sense.

Then again, wasn't Ashley let go when she was going to be appearing on survivor? But she was only on for like, 2 weeks anyway.

Unless she did something horrific backstage, a la Tammy Sytch passing out from GHB in ECW's locker room back in the day.

[CYYYFYYY]

I am shocked at the outcry over maria. She could not wrestle She was a pretty face but there are many of those.

[Dirtbag]

I didn't hear Maria's interview, but unless this is some sort of kayfabe setup for the Apprentice, firing Maria makes no sense.

Then again, wasn't Ashley let go when she was going to be appearing on survivor? But she was only on for like, 2 weeks anyway.

Unless she did something horrific backstage, a la Tammy Sytch passing out from GHB in ECW's locker room back in the day.

Wasn't there some sort of prostitution scandal with Ashley?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I am shocked at the outcry over maria. She could not wrestle She was a pretty face but there are many of those.

Wanna know how I know you're gay?

Maria had a personality and a decent gimmick. Sorry, she was one of the top three girls in WWE.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wasn't there some sort of prostitution scandal with Ashley?

No, just an escort site using Ashley's picture. I think Ashley was injured and may have asked for her release because her kid was sick.

[whorehay]

Haas'nt this been the 10th time he's been fired?

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/haasreleased

[CYYYFYYY]

Wanna know how I know you're gay?

Maria had a personality and a decent gimmick. Sorry, she was one of the top three girls in WWE.

Most of the female story lines are very boring.... Like the MAtt HArdy Maria story line they had going....... I am not saying she was not attractive but she will be easily replaced. She had next to none wrestling skills. I cannot recall one story-line she has ever been in

[TripleSkeet]

I am shocked at the outcry over maria. She could not wrestle She was a pretty face but there are many of those.

Like Matty said, she had a personality and a great gimmick. She was as hot or hotter then any of the current Divas also.

Nobody cares about women wrestling. I dont give a fuck if you can put 2 women in a ring that can give a 10 star match every time. If its a womens wrestling match, its getting fast forwarded through. Period. Only the nerds actually care if they put on a good match or not. I dont want to see them wrestling at all.

[conman823]

Sean Morely has been shit canned from TNA.


Marking the only smart decision of the Hogan/Bischoff era.

[Bob Impact]

Sean Morely has been shit canned from TNA.


Marking the only smart decision of the Hogan/Bischoff era.

Im too lazy to find it but im pretty sure he decided to leave to go back down to Mexico.

[cougarjake13]

Im too lazy to find it but im pretty sure he decided to leave to go back down to Mexico.

but .. but he just beat jarrett in a bathroom match

[CruelCircus]

I cannot recall one story-line she has ever been in

She helped launch Santino, for one.

[CYYYFYYY]

She helped launch Santino, for one.

I thought the Beth Phonix Santino was much better than the Santino + Maria

[conman823]

TNA has released Consequences Creed. I think the guys got potential but who am I?

In other news Nasty Boyz, Bubba fat shit, and Shannon Moore are still drawing a check

[Sue_Bender]

TNA has released Consequences Creed. I think the guys got potential but who am I?

In other news Nasty Boyz, Bubba fat shit, and Shannon Moore are still drawing a check

Eric Bischoff Tweeted (hinting) that The Nasty Boys were no longer working with TNA Wrestling.

So maybe that's two lumps of shit down.

[Section 8]

Nasty Boys were released...

[Sue_Bender]

Nasty Boys were released...

Yeah, that's why I posted it.


Nerd.

[conman823]

Nasty Boys were released...

But they were so over with the fans

[Section 8]

Well then let me take it further.

Brian Knobs was bad mouthing some people in front of some of the Spike Executives. The Execs didn't care for what he was saying and told Dixie/Eric that the Nasty Boys had to go.

How's that?

[Dirtbag]

Well then let me take it further.

Brian Knobs was bad mouthing some people in front of some of the Spike Executives. The Execs didn't care for what he was saying and told Dixie/Eric that the Nasty Boys had to go.

How's that?

I'm pissed that that's what it took to get them fired. Someone should have had the balls to stand up to Hogan bringing in his useless friends in the first place.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Well then let me take it further.

Brian Knobs was bad mouthing some people in front of some of the Spike Executives. The Execs didn't care for what he was saying and told Dixie/Eric that the Nasty Boys had to go.

How's that?

This guy????

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5696/cyrus5064927.jpg

[Sue_Bender]

Well then let me take it further.

Brian Knobs was bad mouthing some people in front of some of the Spike Executives. The Execs didn't care for what he was saying and told Dixie/Eric that the Nasty Boys had to go.

How's that?

Yes.

That will suffice.


Thank you.

[cougarjake13]

TNA has released Consequences Creed. I think the guys got potential but who am I?

In other news Nasty Boyz, Bubba fat shit, and Shannon Moore are still drawing a check


he amongst a buncha guys havent seen the ring on tv since hogan took over


so he really had no shot

[CYYYFYYY]

They now released Christopher Daniels....... What a horrid decision, only to be matched by the fact that the WWE are too dumb to pick him up.

[Dirtbag]

Why the hell would they do that? He must have either asked for it or did something really, really stupid. Even TNA management can't be boneheaded enough to let that guy go.

[Hosp]

If you look at the Pre/Post Hogan times for Daniels:

Pre: Co-main eventing with AJ and Samoa Joe for the World Title.

Post: Losing to the also now fired Sean Morley in pretty much a squash on the very next PPV.

He didn't stand a chance.

Any word on Curry Man and Suicide yet?

[brettmojo]

Hogan is working for Vince. They're destroying TNA from the inside.

[Tenbatsuzen]

They now released Christopher Daniels....... What a horrid decision, only to be matched by the fact that the WWE are too dumb to pick him up.

Wait, isn't Christopher Daniels on NXT?

[CYYYFYYY]

Not that is Bryan Danielson

[Bob Impact]

They now released Christopher Daniels....... What a horrid decision, only to be matched by the fact that the WWE are too dumb to pick him up.

I was always meh on Daniels, plus, he's getting up there now (gotta be in his late 30s by now), what would WWE do with him?

[Section 8]

The WWE could easily put Daniels in with CM Punk's SES. After a few months, Have Daniels get caught with an alcoholic drink and then you've got yourselves a feud where both guys can work the hell outta each other.

[Freitag]

The WWE could easily put Daniels in with CM Punk's SES. After a few months, Have Daniels get caught with an alcoholic drink and then you've got yourselves a feud where both guys can work the hell outta each other.

I've had this angle in my head for a bit now. Serena gets caught in a bar with someone, Punk flips and goes to smash her, the "drinking" face makes the save.

[Bob Impact]

The WWE could easily put Daniels in with CM Punk's SES. After a few months, Have Daniels get caught with an alcoholic drink and then you've got yourselves a feud where both guys can work the hell outta each other.

Yeah, but... but...

Goddamn it that sounds pretty good.

[TripleSkeet]

Yeah, but... but...

Goddamn it that sounds pretty good.

It sure does. Dont count on ever seeing it happen.

[Hosp]

I've had this angle in my head for a bit now. Serena gets caught in a bar with someone, Punk flips and goes to smash her, the "drinking" face makes the save.

JBL going back to his roots?

[Freitag]

JBL going back to his roots?

I'm retired.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yeah, but... but...

Goddamn it that sounds pretty good.

Agreed. A Punk/Daniels fued would be awesome.

[Hosp]

WWE has come to terms on the release of WWE Divas Mickie James and Katie Lea Burchill as well as Superstars Shelton Benjamin, Kung Fu Naki, Slam Master J and Jimmy Wang Yang as of today, April 22, 2010. We wish them the best in all future endeavors.

Shocked with Benjamin and Mickie James.

[brettmojo]

They fucking fired Mickie James? What the fuck.