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furie

03-25-2005, 05:14 PM

Many of Iraq's predominantly Sunni Arab insurgents would lay down their arms and join the political process in exchange for guarantees of their safety and that of their co-religionists, according to a prominent Sunni politician.

(http://news.ft.com/cms/s/7b2a3b4e-9d4e-11d9-a227-00000e2511c8.html)

the most important part I think is:
Sharif Ali said the success of Iraq's elections dealt the insurgents a demoralising blow, prompting them to consider the need to enter the political process.

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Death Metal Moe

03-25-2005, 06:35 PM

HAHAHA!!!

I say we only let them exit in PINE BOXES!!! FUCK YO' LIFE NIGGA!!!!!!!!!!

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Bulldogcakes

03-25-2005, 06:41 PM

Stop that! No good news allowed! Repeat after me "Everything's bad, and Bush's an idiot, Again! Everything's bad, and Bush's an idiot. Again! AGAIN!!"

I reluctantly supported this war because if things went well, I didn't want to be standing in the way of it. And the payoff could be huge for the millions of people living in that region. Good news. Lets hope for more progress.

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TheMojoPin

03-25-2005, 09:12 PM

Let the terrorists into the government! No harm, no foul! Oh, these shenanigans WILL happen, boys, chortle-chortle! IT'S GOOD NEWS, FOLKS!

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FMJeff

03-25-2005, 09:55 PM

and of course this couldnt be part of an effort to trick the military into thinking everything's ok, have them leave, and start this whole business over again...

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A.J.

03-25-2005, 10:31 PM

Hey, this strategy worked for Hitler.

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FMJeff

03-25-2005, 11:09 PM

Hitler didn't command a rag tag group of insurgents....

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torker

03-25-2005, 11:18 PM

a real exit strategy:
U-S military officials say American guards have discovered a 600-foot tunnel leading out of the main prison facility for detainees in Iraq. (http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=3127565)
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03-26-2005, 12:43 AM

TheMojoPin

03-26-2005, 06:48 AM

AJ's brain is shiny and pretty.

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furie

03-26-2005, 07:48 AM

Hitler didn't command a rag tag group of insurgents....

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Are you saying the brown shirts were anything other than thugs?

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HelghastElite

03-26-2005, 10:01 AM

Stop that! No good news allowed! Repeat after me "Everything's bad, and Bush's an idiot, Again! Everything's bad, and Bush's an idiot. Again! AGAIN!!"

This is pretty much the mantra of this folder.

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TheMojoPin

03-26-2005, 10:08 AM

Still waiting for the "good news" does tend to get you down...

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FMJeff

03-26-2005, 11:50 PM

Hitler didn't command a rag tag group of insurgents....

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Actually, he did. My point was that after the failed Munich beer hall putsch of 1923, Hitler realized he had a better chance of taking power through legitimate political means.

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Oh I thought you were referring to the German Army...

i think once you have a submarine you've pretty much elevated yourself above rag tag...

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PapaBear

03-27-2005, 12:13 AM

i think once you have a submarine you've pretty much elevated yourself above rag tag...

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Yerdaddy

03-27-2005, 12:17 PM

This does apply to a portion of the insurgency, and would be a positive development if it proves true, (the article is just one guy talking). The ex-Bathist leaderships that have been leading their elements of the insurgency have been dealt a blow by the elections. But the credit should go to the Ayatollah Ali Sistani and the Iraqi Shia. The elections were only agreed to by the Bush administration after Sistani insisted on them instead of the convoluted set of caucuses that the administration originally came up with. And it's the Shia who have had resisted violent reactions to the numerous major bomb attacks the Sunni insurgents have hit them with in an attempt to draw them into sectarian warfare. It's been the Shia in all of this that have always had the goal of democracy through all of this. For them it wasn't a back-up rationalization.

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Death Metal Moe

03-27-2005, 04:30 PM

<FIELDSET style="WIDTH: 367px; HEIGHT: 123px">But the credit should go to the Ayatollah Ali Sistani and the Iraqi Shia. The elections were only agreed to by the Bush administration after Sistani insisted on them instead of the convoluted set of caucuses that the administration originally came up with. And it's the Shia who have had resisted violent reactions to the numerous major bomb attacks the Sunni insurgents have hit them with in an attempt to draw them into sectarian warfare. It's been the Shia in all of this that have always had the goal of democracy through all of this. For them it wasn't a back-up rationalization.</FIELDSET>
And none of that would have been possible if the US hadn't taken Saddam out.  

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Recyclerz

03-28-2005, 01:47 PM

Since its raining anyway, here's a little sprinkle that says things might not be going as well as we hope:Sunni got his gun... (http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2005/03/27/fractured_iraq_sees_a_sunni_call_to_arms?mode=PF)

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Bulldogcakes

03-28-2005, 04:53 PM

"Everythings Bad, were all gonna die!"
 (followed by good news)
 "Oh, well somebody else did that. No connection there. Hes still wrong and deserves none of the credit."
 
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TheMojoPin

03-28-2005, 08:07 PM

Where the hell is the good news?
Please quote it and explain it to me in detail.If it's the part where we just forget that these guys were trying to kill as many coalition soldiers as possible, well, that doesn't seem too wise. <IMG src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin"> 1979 << On the streets of your town... >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

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Yerdaddy

03-29-2005, 01:02 AM

I'm not saying Bush deserves none of the credit. Of course the positive developments stemming from the elections wouldn't have been possible without the war. But the fact remains that the elections were opposed by the administration until Sistani and 2 million Shia demanded them through peaceful protests. While you people are accusing me of denying Bush his credit, where the fuck is the credit  for the people who risked their lives and did not retaliate after a campaign of massive bombing attacks launched against them in order to make the elections happen? And you accuse me of denying credit where credit is due? 

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FMJeff

03-29-2005, 06:23 AM

Bush deserves zero credit. He didn't change the minds of the locals. The local religious leaders did. Shock and awe failed. Winning the hearts and minds failed. None of this had anything to do with him. He brought a country to its knees and thier own people rose up against him and the best military in the world (quite effectively might i add) only to decide amongst themselves that being involved politically might do more good than blowing themselves up. 
Exactely what credit does he deserve? 
And Gorbachev was a tool. If you honestly think a dimwitted b-actor turned president brought Communist Russia to its knees, then I don't know what to tell you. The death of Communism was attributed to several factors:
1) Corruption in the government
2) Global Modernization
3) Western cultural influences
4) Economic pressures on the lower peasent classes that rose up against the government out of desperation
5) Increasing scarcity of exploitable resources (consumer goods)
6) Military Technology and Stimulus programs dominated consumer sector technology growth and stimulus programs, killing the economy 
7) Gorbachev's ill fated attempt to liberalize the Soviet Union's social and political systems

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Doogie

03-29-2005, 06:55 AM

This whole story reminds me of a story from Esquire a few months ago:
"There is a scorpion and a frog by a river. The scorpion says to the frog 'my friend please give me a ride across this river as I can not traverse it the way that you can.' The frog says 'no way, as soon as you are on my back you will stab me.' To which the scorpion says, if I did that we would both drown, so why would I do that'. The frog sees the logic in this and agrees to the ride. About halfway through the trip the scorpion stabs the spider and the scorpion says 'Welcome to the Middle East'."
 
That tale reminds me of that story. And AJ great reference, I also would have of used the Sons of Liberty as there tactics against tax collectors were a form of mob terrorism. 

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