Government Clearance - How to get?

[Reephdweller]

Once in a while when I apply for a job online I'll see the following on the application..."I have a United States government security clearance."

How would I go about getting this? I'd like to know, especially if having something like this will increase my chances of getting a job somewhere.

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[A.J.]

You'll need to fill out one of these:

SF-86 (http://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/SF86.pdf)

and these:

SF-171 (http://www.jobs.bpa.gov/sf171.pdf)

If you apply for a job that requires clearance, the company you apply for will "Sponsor" your for the investigation. Usually, they say "pending successful background investigation" or the like. SECRET is pretty easy and fast to get. TOP SECRET and higher takes a while longer -- the investigation is more thorough.

If you can land a job that will give you clearance, it will only help your career -- wherever you decide to go.

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[Reephdweller]

Awesome, thanks AJ!

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[A.J.]

Reef I should mention that it's a little different if you apply for a government position (GS-x) as opposed to a contractor position. Some jobs require that you already have the clearance. Some jobs allow you to GET the clearance.

If you have any questions, you can PM me. I'll try to help if I can.

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[Reephdweller]

So, if I don't have a current gov't job. Though I would like to have the clearance in advance in case I reach the stage where I can possibly get a job, would it pay to get it? What I mean is, if I got this clearance and then I was contacted about a position in which I applied for, it will make the process easier for me. Is this correct?

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[A.J.]

I don't think you can just "get a clearance on your own". I think that either you already have to have one, or you apply for a job that will allow you to undergo the process and once you successfully complete it (that is "get the clearance"), you can start working the job.

This is what sucks: actually getting your foot in the door. Once you get the clearance, you can move around from job to job if you want.

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[Freakshow]

I was wrong

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[KCfromDC]

You have to be sponsored by a Government agency to get a clearance. When you leave the position, you forfeit the clearance, unless you reach an agreement with you new agency to have it transferred. If you let it lapse, you can have it renewed by a new agency, but you have to renew parts of the investigation. To give you a timeline, I got an interim secret clearance in ten days. That was 9 months ago, and I haven't even been interviewed for my final yet. DSS is reporting something like 10,000 backlogged applicants. You're lucky if you get anything final within a year.

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[furie]

As an employee on the GS scale, your employing agency will usually do the paperwork and set up the investigation for you. For CONFIDENTIAL (which is the easiest to get) and SECRET, OPM investigators conducted a short background investigation above and beyond the usual initial one we go through. TOP SECRET does take longer.

As a GS-5 they just gave me CONFIDENTIAL. As a GS-9, my SECRET took about a month. As a GS-13, TOP SECRET took a year.



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[torker]

My pop would send me down to get government cheese, but I didn't need clearance. It was free.

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[Snoogans]

Furie, what the fuck?

Why dont you share some of that G-13....oh

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[TheRealEddie]

How would I go about getting this? I'd like to know, especially if having something like this will increase my chances of getting a job somewhere.


Its a secret.

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[BigKilla]

Let me give you a heads up- my Top Secret took almost 2 yrs to complete.

When you list people who knew you at specified addresses, they will ask them about drug and alcohol use. So remember that when you list point-of-contacts.

Also your credit is a big issue.

You'll need to list where you lived for the last 10 yrs. and list a person that knew you at that address.

I also had to get interviewed.

There are higher claerences than TS, I'm not sure what extra mesures would be like though.

[ronjock58]

Go to your local military recruiter, raise your right hand and repeat whatever they tell you to. They will take care of getting your clearance for you free of charge.

[Reephdweller]

Go to your local military recruiter, raise your right hand and repeat whatever they tell you to. They will take care of getting your clearance for you free of charge.



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[TheMojoPin]

I was a GS-11!

Just don't cry during the polygraph, no matter HOW BADLY YOU REALLY, REALLY, REALLY WANT TO.

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[A.J.]

Just don't cry during the polygraph, no matter HOW BADLY YOU REALLY, REALLY, REALLY WANT TO.

It's not funny cause it's true.

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[TheMojoPin]

*SOB!*

I KNOW!!!

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We should form a support group. It's worse than knowing it's time for your prostate exam.

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[furie]

Dude, I had a sudden heart murmur during my polygraph. It's not something i suffer from; i guess i was just super nervous. I thought they were going to fail me right there.


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[TheMojoPin]

I know those people are supposed to try and "catch you" if you've done something wrong...but Jesus, they're even better than being raised Catholic when it comes to making me feel guilty about everything I've ever done or even THOUGHT about doing.

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[A.J.]

Amen.

And my background is so boring and cleancut they STILL made me feel like I threw a baby in a dumpster.

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[KCfromDC]

I've got a friend who was about to take his polygraph, and his coworkers started fucking with him. They were all, 'whatever you do, don't think about farm sex.' He gets to the sex part of the polygraph and, of course, farm sex pops into his mind and he starts to panic. They almost had to scrap the whole thing and start over. Let that be a lesson to you.

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[TheMojoPin]

And my background is so boring and cleancut they STILL made me feel like I threw a baby in a dumpster.

When they "busted" me for my pot smoking days, I actually was hit with the "well, if your friends jumped off of a bridge, would YOU do it too?!?" line. So goddamn surreal.

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[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

My ex father-in-law was in the NSA. Need I say more?

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[banditorico]

This is a fascinating thread. I mean it sincerely. I work for a large IT firm that has many big contracts with various government agencies and often see job postings for Top Secret clearance positions.

I considered applying for these jobs, but never understood the process for clearance.

Now I have very brief understanding of it. Thanks

It sounds like the polygraph portion of the interview/investigation is the toughest. After the test do they advise you not to repeat these questions to anyone? If not, what sort of questions do they ask you?

[Neogoon]

How to beat a polygraph: http://antipolygraph.org/



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[furie]

My ex father-in-law was in the NSA. Need I say more?


there's no such agency

banditorico, the questions are mostly tailored to the person being interviewed, and they mostly center on the questions you've already answered during your background. "Were you being truthful when you stated you had never smoked marijuana?"
"Are you now or ever been a member of a subversive organization dedicated to the over through of the US Government?"

That one always bothered me, because we don't swear allegiance to the government, but to the constitution. it should be reworded.



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[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

there's no such agency


Right answer.



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[TheMojoPin]

How to beat a polygraph: http://antipolygraph.org/

That site focuses more on beating the machine.

The machine, when it comes to government security clearances, are basically props.

The real "test" is with the interviewers themselves. They're the ones putting you through hell. The machine means nothing.

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[DJEvelEd]

When they "busted" me for my pot smoking days, I actually was hit with the "well, if your friends jumped off of a bridge, would YOU do it too?!?"

So what was your answer? Did you argue that smoking pot was safer than jumping off a bridge? Or did you just suck it up?

Mr. Hoover: "So Potty Pothead, if your friends jumped off of a bridge, would YOU do it too?!?"

Mojo: "Yes" *sob* "YES I WO WO WOULD WAAAAHHHHHH" *SOB* *SOB* "I WOULD SMOKE POT ON THE WAY DOWN WAAAAAAHHH" *SOB* I LOVE POT!!!!! WAAAAHHHHH!!!!!"

Mr. Hoover: "OK Take it easy son, we'll find you a job with the Democrats"

Mojo: "WAAAAAAHHHHHHH"




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[A.J.]

After the test do they advise you not to repeat these questions to anyone? If not, what sort of questions do they ask you?

Well they tell you not to discuss it with anyone and by that point the exeperience is so nervewracking you just want to put it out of your mind.

It's not so much being asked specific questions as it is being "lead" (for lack of a better word) to answer certain things. I mean they can ask you where you were born and a minute later you end up tearfully admitting, "Yes, I took five hits from a bong in 1987!!"

The most important thing to remember -- just truthfully answer a question and tell them EVERYTHING.

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