Who was the best QB of 2004-2005 football season?

[KTMrider]

there was alot of QB's this year that really outdone themselves. which one do u think did the best?

[Fallon]

Would have picked Manning if he could win a big game. Going with my boy Tom Brady.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Last time I checked, they're still keeping score. The one who wins the most is the best overall, even if his personal stats dont blow you away.
Brady it is.

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[DJEvelEd]

I'm sure Manning would trade his NFL TD Pass Record for a SuperbowlT Ring. Manning had his chance to be lifted up to the elite level of Elway & Montana but he choked like a little prison bitch. He has to win the SuperbowlT or he will be just another loser like Dan Marino choking when everything's on the line.

It's too early to tell who the last quarterback standing will be, but I would put money on Brady.


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[Heather 8]

Even as a Packers fan, I have to question why Favre is even listed.

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

Hands down it's Brady. Vick is just a first string RB who throws a dink and dunker every blue moon.

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[WindowSill]

I picked Manning for the simple fact, that during the actual regular season, he was bar none, the best. Brady is a pretty good QB, but hes not nearly as good as Manning...he just gets the job done...but 2 Superbowl rings dont neccesarily make you a great quaterback...especially not statistically....


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[Tall_James]

but 2 Superbowl rings dont neccesarily make you a great quaterback

How about 2 Super Bowl MVP awards? Does that make you a great quarterback? I think it does and my vote goes to Brady as well.

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[mothershucker]

but 2 Superbowl rings dont neccesarily make you a great quaterback

How about 2 Super Bowl MVP awards? Does that make you a great quarterback? I think it does and my vote goes to Brady as well.

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I thought this was about this year?

Manning hands down was the best. In fact, he may have had the best year EVER by a quarterback.

That being said, I hate him and was glad to see him lose yesterday.

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[JPMNICK]

There is no question the answer is Manning. The BEST QB, he wins. He may not be on the best team, best coached team, best defensice team, but he was the best QB. He set all kinds of records, played awesome, and led hsi team to a lot of victories. Other QB's are great, but i feel also had better supporting casts around them, including coaches.

I think the colts coach sucks. he couldn't get it done with the Bucs, and now he is pulling the same shit in Indy

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[walking joint]

i was first shocked to even see the question asked, but couldn't believe anyone put anything but Manning. yes he lost yesterday, but you put Manning on the Pats and Brady on the Colts and I guarantee you the result is no different. Manning had the best season for a QB EVER!!! 49 TDs. and don't get me started on Vick...80 f'n passing yards. the most overhyped player EVER!!!! yeah he is good, but not near as good as he gets credit for being. i'll now wait for a Snoogans rant about how good Vick is....remember the Culpepper/Vick discussion we had before the year fantasy wise...i think Culpepper blew him away.

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[DJEvelEd]

1989 Joe Montana 26TD 8INT 3521YDS WON SUPERBOWL!!!

1994 Steve Young 35TD 10INT 3969YDS WON SUPERBOWL!!!

1996 Bret Favre 39TD 13INT 3899YDS WON SUPERBOWL!!!

1997 John Elway 27TD 11INT 3635YDS WON SUPERBOWL!!!

2004 Pey Manning 49TD 10INT 4557YDS DID NOT EVEN MAKE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

Ask Peyton Manning who's year he would rather have.


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[WindowSill]

Well, lets see...whos the better QUARTERBACK...

A guy who in 2001 passed for over 4100 yards and 26 TDs or a guy who passed for over 2800 yards and 18 TDs...BUT, won the Superbowl...

A guy who in 2002 passed for exactly 4200 yards with a completion pct of 66.3, OR a guy who passed for just over 3700 yards with a completion pct of 62...

A guy who in 2003 passed for over 4200 yards with a completion pct of 67, 29 touchdowns and a 99.0 passer rating...OR...a guy who passed for just over 3600 yards with a completion pct of 60.2, 23 TDs and a passer rating of 85.9...Oh....BUT the 2nd guy won a ring...

And now my favorite comparison...a guy who this season had as great a season at quarterback as anyone has ever had...passing for over 4550 yards with a completion pct of over 67...with 49 touchdown passes while getting picked off just 10 times and a passer rating of 121/1...ORRRR...a guy who passed for over 3600 yards with a compl pct of 60.8....with 28 TDs, 14 Int, and a passer rating of 92.6...BUT...BUT the second guy beat the first guy in the second week of the playoffs thus cancelling out the amazing season the first guy had...

Im not saying Brady isnt a good QB, he is. But Manning is GREAT. One of the best ever, if not THE best ever.


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[Snoogans]

Donavon McNabb is the quarterback Id want on my team before any other QB. Peyton had the best year, but alot of that is cause of his system. if peyton was in philly he wouldnt be that good. I would take mcnabb cause he seems to be able to do more, and win in more systems and with more styles than any other QB.

plus, the fuckin guy avoided a sack for 15 SECONDS and then completed like a 65 yard pass. vick doesnt even wait that long, he woulda ran long before that

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[WindowSill]

Ask Peyton Manning who's year he would rather have.



Just because he got knocked out of the playoffs in the second week, doesnt mean that he isnt the best Quarterback THIS SEASON, which is what I believe the poll question actually asked...


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[GodsFavoriteMan]

Tom Brady = Winner

Peyton Manning = Not a Winner and/or Dink

Give me Brady any day. He can actually stay calm and cool, even if they're behind. Manning's theatrics just make him come off as doofier than usual.

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[Snoogans]

how did this come down to manning vs brady. id rather have mcnabb then both of them. he can make plays that none of them can make, and has a great arm, and already knows how to be a pocket QB if he wants to.

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[DJEvelEd]

how did this come down to manning vs brady


Because out of the 4 remaining QB's, Brady has the most credibility with the 2 rings, mvp, ect...

All 4 QB's are awesome but only ONE of them will say that they've had a better season than Manning. We don't know who that is yet.

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[Snoogans]

i just wanna know why Hasselback isnt on this list. And Jake Plummer too, who wouldnt want a QB who throws lefty and behind his back and whatnot, even if they do fly right to a CD

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[walking joint]

All 4 QB's are awesome but only ONE of them will say that they've had a better season than Manning. We don't know who that is yet.


that arguement really doesn't make sense to me. yeah, the result is better, but that says more about the team then the player. so if you are comparing WR's your saying that if the Falcons win that Peerless Price had a better season then all other WRs...no, he just happens to be on a better team.

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[Snoogans]

peerless price sucks. how bout he learns to catch and stops blaming it on the reverse spin of the ball. what a pussy

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[walking joint]

i just wanna know why Hasselback isnt on this list. And Jake Plummer too, who wouldnt want a QB who throws lefty and behind his back and whatnot, even if they do fly right to a CD


the team had a bad year, but Trent Green had a better year then most of those guys...he is also one of only 7 or 8 QBs of all time to have a passer rating over 90 three years in a row. he puts those numbers up and his RBs score just as often.

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[Snoogans]

yea i know, he used those guys cause they are the playoff guys. i absolutely agree trent green had a better year than most of them. shit one of the QB's on the list doesnt even have an arm enough to throw 15 yard outs. Id actually rather have Byron Leftwich then a couple of these guys too

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[DJEvelEd]

Maybe Manning should have thrown 50+ TD's and gotten his team a home game in the playoffs. Being a quarterback is more important than being a WR. Stats are nice but the QB is also the "field general" running the offense. Manning could not advance his team like a true "elite" QB would. HE FAILED!!! There are 4 "Field Generals" left. Who wins the war???



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[walking joint]

in Rothelsberger case is being a 'field general' handing the ball off to the RB hoping they can score so he doesn't have to throw the ball...they won that game despite his play.

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[Snoogans]

yea ok Ed. you obviously have no fuckin clue what you are talkin about.

Was it Manning who couldnt take his team to the promised land, or was it the fact that Dwight Freeney is the only guy on the defense worth his jock. You can blame it on Manning all you want, but tell me a team that won a SuperBowl with a crappy defense. Shit i think Dan Marino was pretty fuckin good, but they never had a defense.
I also think Trent Dilfer isnt that good, but they had the best D ive ever seen, and look. Shit defense even made Jim McMahon look good

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[DJEvelEd]

Jury is still out on Big Ben. But if he wins the SuperbowlT by handing off the ball and dinking & dunking, he still gets his picture on the wall next to Dilfer, Johnson, Montana, & Elway.

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[Snoogans]

his picture next to dilfer and johnson maybe, it wont be anywhere near montana or elway.

I mean shit Jim Kelly was a great QB, is it his fault his kicker couldnt kick, or Dallas just smoked their defense

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[DJEvelEd]

you obviously have no fuckin clue what you are talkin about.

No YOU don't. LEFTWICH??? Please!!!

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[Snoogans]

dude are you kidding? Leftwich took that team on like 6 last minute drives to win. Byron is gonna be a SUPERSTAR qb and anyone who doesnt think he is a winner, is a tough mofo, and has every tool is blind

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[WindowSill]

Shit, Id much rather have Leftwich over Pennington or Bulger...even Plummer or Green...


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[DJEvelEd]

his picture next to dilfer and johnson maybe, it wont be anywhere near montana or elway.


If it's alphabetical, Big Ben will be next to Roger :p

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Would you take Leftwich over Brady, Big Ben, Vick, or McNabb?

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[Snoogans]

right this moment, i would take him over ben and vick, not brady and i wouldnt take anyone over mcnabb. thats also today, ask me again in a year

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[WindowSill]

Fuck no. I was just agreeing with Snoogans who said hed rather have him than "a COUPLE of those guys"...whoever those guys may be. I wouldnt take him over Ben and Vick though. Im not saying Leftwich is the best QB in the league. Far from it...at least for now. Id just rather have him than those 4 guys I mentioned and several others...


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[walking joint]

Leftwich could be really good one day, but i wouldn't compare him to any of these guys yet. he did win a few games late, but only because the defense kept them in the game(their Defense is good). and the one he gets most credit for is the Buffalo game, but i have a feeling if that game was later in the year the Bills would have whooped them...not to mention i think that was the only TD drive he took them on that game. the offense also struggled to score 20 points in most games. he is tough, but at times it cost the team more then it helped with him staying in the game. take Taylor out of the offense and they did nothing. the guy threw for under 3000 yards, which these days is pretty unimpressive and only threw 15 TDs/10 INTs. not great numbers.

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[WindowSill]

And while we're on topic, Id rather have David Carr as my quarterback than a bunch of those guys. Heres a guy that went 1st in the draft a few years ago. Had a great arm, makes great reads, could be a superstar at this point in his career if he didnt play in Houston surrounded by so much garbage on that team...theyve made no attempt to better themselves in the short time that theyve been in the league.


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Actually Roethlisburger would be next to Phil on that wall.

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[Snoogans]

Why does everyone think Ben is so good. He has the best D in the NFL and 2 great backs. Guess what, if they arent playing the giants that day, they lose. They win alot inspite of Ben. Ben will be good but right now, he isnt THAT good. Id take McNabb, Brady, Manning, Culpepper, and not many other if any, before Byron

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[walking joint]

And while we're on topic, Id rather have David Carr as my quarterback than a bunch of those guys. Heres a guy that went 1st in the draft a few years ago. Had a great arm, makes great reads, could be a superstar at this point in his career if he didnt play in Houston surrounded by so much garbage on that team


who are the garbage players...Dominick Davis had a great year...Andre Johnson is probably a top 10 WR and Gaffney and Bradford are 2 decent WR's. he has a good offense which should put up better numbers. the defense sucks, but that shouldn't hinder Carrs numbers.

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[walking joint]

Why does everyone think Ben is so good. He has the best D in the NFL and 2 great backs. Guess what, if they arent playing the giants that day, they lose. They win alot inspite of Ben. Ben will be good but right now, he isnt THAT good.


couldn't agree more...he is in there not to win the games for the Steelers, but he is in there not to lose the games. he hands the ball off better then most QBs though...its a nice smooth transition.

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[WindowSill]

the defense sucks, but that shouldn't hinder Carrs numbers.


It doesnt.

Guy had over 3500 yards passing this year with a comp % of 61.2 with 16 touchdowns...pretty damn good considering he has just one receiver while Manning and Brady each have 3, Ben has 2 and VIck...well he doesnt even throw the ball anymore...


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[walking joint]

D. Davis catches the ball enough to almost be considered a WR...fantasy football wise he is a stud. and Bradford isn't a bad WR. he should have thrown more then 16 TDs. he has been a bit of a disappointment in my opinion(Carr that is)

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[Snoogans]

yea im with joint, goin into this year i was high on him, but he didnt show me anything, and this was the best team he had around him. If he doesnt have a really good year next year, i think he will end up just another pretty good QB

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[JPMNICK]

OK we are so far off topic here.

THIS YEAR - how can ANY one say anything besides manning? look at those numbers.

the question is not which QB got his team the furthest. There are plenty of other factors to winning a superbowl than just being the best QB in the league. It certainly helps, but it is not the #1 factor. Does anyone remember when the Bucs won? Their QB was not the best, maybe not even top 5.


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Look, Ben has won all 14 of his starts this year. and the team has only lost 1 game in which he played at all--week 2 against the Ravens.

Now a lot of QBs could have done similar in this situation, but come on, the Steelers would not have gone 15-1 with Tommy Maddox or Kordell Stewart.

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Now a lot of QBs could have done similar in this situation, but come on, the Steelers would not have gone 15-1 with Tommy Maddox or Kordell Stewart.


thats not really a great duo of QBs to compare someone to. i think the Steelers would have had a good year though with Maddox. he played against a good team on a roll in week 17(Bills) and they still beat them. and the Steelers had nothing to play for in that game.

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They would have done well with Tommy, but it would be a different team. He played well against Buffalo, but he benefitted from inheriting a team with a lot of swagger.

I realize that Kordell and Tommy arent exactly HOFers, but any Steelers fan who had to suffer through the brutality of the Kordell era and the inconsistency of the Maddox era is looking at Ben as a saint.

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