MLB Hall of Fame Inductions

[WindowSill]

The inductions will be tomorrow at 1 PM. Im guessing it will be Wade Boggs and Ryne Sandberg although I really think it should be Sutter going in over Sandberg.


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[Fallon]

What hat is Boggs wearing and don't tell me Tampa Bay!

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[WindowSill]

Itll probably be a Sox cap, but Im not sure. Theres no way the league would allow him to go in as a Devil Ray...


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[curtoid]

Is it Ripken's turn yet?

Cal...not Billy.

[Iamnotatool]

It'll be Boggs Sutter Goose and Rhyno.


Boggs is gonna wear a D_Rays cap if he has anything to say about it. I think that was tied into his contract w/ them.

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[JamMaster]

The Hall of Fame decides what hat is worn. I think they said it would be the Red Sox hat if he was inducted.

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[mikeyboy]

Although the HOF makes the final determination, they generally defer to the player's choice.

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[Walrus622]

Boggs will have to go in as a red sock. The most disgraceful era in sports continues....

[mikeyboy]

The most disgraceful era in sports continues....



Huh?

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[TheMojoPin]

I really think it should be Sutter going in over Sandberg.

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[SuperClerk]

Jim Rice gets screwed over again.

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[Walrus622]

Steroids, felon running backs(lewis), boston win's with all the dignity of a faked injury, USA basketball tanking, player's and fan's fighting. The list goes on.

[Bulldogcakes]

I'm a Yankee fan, and in all honesty he should go in as a Red Sock. Even though his ring(s) came with the Yanks, as a player he was at his best in Fenway. He's from Tampa, and he still works w/them, and it would be nice for that franchise to have their first. But all in all I say Red Sox.

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[Walrus622]

One of the best pictures from the 90's dynasty is Boggs on the horse, but I have to agree. Let the hall pick, that way it is pure(I hope).

[Snoogans]

i voted for pete rose

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[BoondockSaint]

I'm a Yankee fan, and in all honesty he should go in as a Red Sock. Even though his ring(s) came with the Yanks, as a player he was at his best in Fenway. He's from Tampa, and he still works w/them, and it would be nice for that franchise to have their first. But all in all I say Red Sox.


I think he should go in as a Sock. He only one one ring with the Yanks. And fuck him going in as a Devil Ray. It's because of him and Dave Winfield negotiating with teams as to what hat they would wear that has screwed it up for everybody.

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[A.J.]

Jim Rice gets screwed over again.

Rice was my hero but he doesn't belong in the Hall. He didn't put up the requisite numbers.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Rice is close, but not quite there. Like Mattingly. Was dominant, but not for long enough to put up big #s.

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[Crippler]

Although the HOF makes the final determination, they generally defer to the player's choice.
Except in extreme & idiotic situations like Boggs even thinking of going in as a Devil Ray.

I agree that he should go in wearing a Boston hat, but if Boggs feels strongly enough about not wanting a Sox hat on his plaque, respect him enough to at least tip the hat so as to obscure any logo. There are plenty of plaques on the wall where you either can't read the hat or it just doesn't have a logo. The dates (& teams) he played will be listed, who cares what the hat says, or if it says anything.

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[Crippler]

Rice is close, but not quite there. Like Mattingly. Was dominant, but not for long enough to put up big #s.
There may be no bigger Mattingly fan than myself, but Rice's numbers & period of dominance put him way ahead of Mattingly.

Donnie was the man for 4-6 years offensively. Whereas Rice averaged .305, 30, 110 for ten straight years even with a year thrown in where he was hurt & missed 60+ games. It is a crime that one of the most feared hitters of his time is not in the Hall while compilers continue to get in on a yearly basis.

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[mikeyboy]

It's because of him and Dave Winfield negotiating with teams as to what hat they would wear that has screwed it up for everybody.


Nolan Ryan did it first. The contract he signed with the Rangers stated that he would go into the hall with a Rangers cap. Luckily he continued to pile up the strikeouts and no-hitters with the Rangers, so it didn't seem so ridiculous come induction time.

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[Snoogans]

when are they opening the steroid wing in the hall?

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[WindowSill]

Nolan Ryan did it first. The contract he signed with the Rangers stated that he would go into the hall with a Rangers cap. Luckily he continued to pile up the strikeouts and no-hitters with the Rangers, so it didn't seem so ridiculous come induction time.


Nevertheless, both he and Willie Mays should have gone in as Mets...


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[BoondockSaint]

Nolan Ryan did it first. The contract he signed with the Rangers stated that he would go into the hall with a Rangers cap. Luckily he continued to pile up the strikeouts and no-hitters with the Rangers, so it didn't seem so ridiculous come induction time.


Did he? I don't remember that. I rmember Winfield had the Yankees and Padres bidding against each other. Of course it wasn't about what hat he would wear, both teams just REALLY wanted him as an executive.

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[Fallon]

Boggs will go into the Hall of Fame wearing a Boston cap. With the Red Sox, Boggs won five batting titles, including hitting .368 in 1985.

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[Snoogans]

fuck boggs. i dont want him wearing a sox hat like i wouldnt want clemens in one. they are fuckin traders

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[mikeyboy]

they are fuckin traders


traitors, too.

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[Snoogans]

you know i actually sat, thinking it was that way, while staring at the wrong one. but then i remembered i could care less

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[WindowSill]

How are they traitors? They both spent the majority of their careers in Boston and number wise, played their best baseball in Boston. Just because they won a ring with the Yankees means they should wear a Yanks cap?


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[Iamnotatool]

boston win's with all the dignity of a faked injury



huh??

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[Snoogans]

How are they traitors?


cause they went to the yankees, i dont care how or why

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[mikeyboy]

boston win's with all the dignity of a faked injury


They acheived the greatest comeback in baseball playoff history against their greatest rival and won the series for the first time in 86 years. I think your anti-Red Sox bias makes you fail to accept the fact that the Red Sox won and did so impressively. get over it.

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[Walrus622]

Mikey, I spend my nights listening to your show replays so I'm a fan of yours. With that said Schilling is no hero. He got his ass handed to him in the the first game of a series he was here to win. Then totally copped out by faking hurt so he would have an excuse. A hero dives into the stands to win a game in July, not cry wolf when you lose. And yes I am bitter and pissed but they are still the Yankees and that means they are the best.

[WindowSill]

they are still the Yankees and that means they are the best.


You can prove this how?


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[Walrus622]

Would you also like me to explain why flowers smell good, or stupid is as stupid does, how about why water is wet? You dont erase 80 years and 26 titles with one bad week, no matter how sweet the win is. Enjoy it because after the glow they are still a second class team.

[WindowSill]

Did they win the world series or not? No. Did they win it the year before? No. In 2002? NO! In 2001? NO! That means in the last 4 years they have not been the best. Fuck the hundred win seasons, that means nothing compared to a World Series trophy. Yes they won 26 championships...and those 26 seasons, they were the best team in the league. Not anymore, and not until they win another championship.


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[Walrus622]

Dude I dont know about you but most baseball fans are all about history, I mean thats why it was such a big deal to beat the Yankees, right? My team has won 6 titles in my lifetime, how about you?

[WindowSill]

1. But what does that give them now? Nothin. Thats the beauty of sports. Every season whoever won last year starts at 0. Everyone who sucked last year starts at 0. What does the fact that the Yankees won a bunch of titles mean this season? Nothin...


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[Walrus622]

Wrong, it gives you a standard of excellence that you obviously arent used to or just dont understand.

[WindowSill]

What the hell are you talking about? What standard of excellence? Youre gonna have to start backing up your point with facts man. The best team in baseball doesnt go and lose 22-0 to Cleveland. The best team in baseball doesnt go and blow 4 games straight to another team after being ahead in the series by 3. The Yankees are far from being "the best"...


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[BoondockSaint]

Wrong, it gives you a standard of excellence that you obviously arent used to or just dont understand.


So, Notre Dame is still the best college football team? Sweet!

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[WindowSill]

So, Notre Dame is still the best college football team? Sweet!



And the Celtics are still the best basketball team...


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[Walrus622]

Dude read a book if you want want stats, all you are doing is a version of I know you are but what am I. They have won an average of 1 title every 4 years since 1923. You know they keep records of these things, you should really read an article or something. Your have nothing to say except who won today but then claim to be a sports fan? It is about history as well as today and your history is laughable while the Yankees have done nothing but win consistantly for generations. Notre Dame is still the only school with a multi year, multi million dollar deal with a one of the networks, Rockne may be dead but people remeber and want to root for them. Only bad thing is they picked a new england panzy to rebuild with. Oh well cant win them all, no more than 86 years in a row at least.

[BoondockSaint]

It is about history as well as today


Exactly. Over the history of baseball, the Yankees are the best. Today, they are not.

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[WindowSill]

BUT THEY DONT WIN! So what if Notre Dame is still the only school with a multi year, multi million dollar deal with a one of the networks? BFD, that doesnt give them a fuckin championship! That doesnt mean theyre the best! So what if the Yankees have ARod, and Jeter, and Sheffield, and Mariano? That doesnt necesarilly give them a championship! So what if they have standards of excellence? So what that they cant grow their hair long or grow facial hair? That doesnt make them the best! So what if they have a history of winning? That doesnt make them the best THIS SEASON! The Yankees arent the best. Their pitching still blows. All those All Stars in the lineup are just making one another worse. They havent won a championship in 4 years. They arent the best, period. And you could go on talking about the late 90s and how dominant they were then. Shit you could talk about the Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig and Mickey Mantle days and how good they were then. THAT WAS THEN! THEY WERE THE BEST, THEN. In 2001, the Diamondbacks were the best team in the league. Why because they won the World Series. So what if they dont have a history of winning? So what if they dont have a shitload of rings? That one year, they were the best team in the league. And they proved it by winning the world series. In 2002, the Anaheim Angels were the best team in the league. They proved this by winning the world series. So what if they never won 3 straight championships? That one year, they were the best. In 2003, the Marlins were the best. So what if they dont average a championship every 4 years? That one year, they were the best. Last season, the Red Sox were the best team in the league. So what if they hadnt won a championship in over 86 years? LAST YEAR, THEY WERE THE BEST!

As Ric Flair said, to be the best, you gotta beat the best. And if you insist that the Yankees are the best, well every team I just mentioned beat the Yankees in the playoffs the year they won it...


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[ChickenHawk]

I'm glad Boggs is in.

There's a good video rundown of his career on MLB.com.

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[Walrus622]

I agree with that sentiment, but you are missing the big picture. Or you are just in denial.

[Walrus622]

Just because the Beatles did not hit number 1 with every song dosent mean there not the best.

[WindowSill]

I think youre the one in denial.

Go ahead, keep saying to yourself the Yankees are the best. Watch the Yankees trot that overrated, overpayed team out there. Watch the pitchers struggle and the offense either hit 6 home runs or get shut out. But while doing this, keep telling yourself that the Yankees are still the best. Then watch the Yankees in October. And then watch them fall short of that elusive 27th championship yet again...but while doing this, keep thinking that the Yankees are the best....


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[Walrus622]

Hey man, I love the game and the Yanks are my team. I grew up in the 80's so I know it can change when DJ retires. It's bigger than one season, the celtics did it over 25 years and that was it. Montreal has a case but they never had Ruth or as many titles. Even Notre Dame has a history to be proud of. What team would you is seen as the best franchise?

[Snoogans]

so when are you 2 gettin married

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[ChickenHawk]

I don't really know exactly what the argument is here, cuz I jumped in on this conversation a little too late, but I think I can settle it right now, because my opinion is the correct one. So you folks can use my opinion as sort of an answer key, and if you compare your opinion to mine, and yours happens to differ, it is because you are wrong:

I am a diehard Yankee fan. I am glad Boggs is in the HOF. He deserves it. .327 lifetime, 26 HR/yr, 3,010 hits, 12 all-star appearances. He had his best career years in Boston, thus, he should go in as a Red Sock.

If you have any disputes with the above sentiment, you are incorrect.

...Hope that cleared things up.

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[WindowSill]

Had nothing to do with the arguement...and I absolutely agree with what you said.

The date of the wedding is set for March 18th...


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[ChickenHawk]

Kinda figured I'd be a little off target on what exactly the argument was... cuz i'm too lazy to go back and read 2 pages.

Also, where's the wedding, and where can I find a good tux for cheap?

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[Snoogans]

the wedding is in a chapel in vegas, and please, blue leisure suits only

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[Iamnotatool]

Hawk, as much as I'd love to dislike you, you remind me too much of my brother.

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[Snoogans]

Boggs should go into the hall as a sellout

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[Doogie]

when are they opening the steroid wing in the hall?


That should be in 2006, I believe McGuire is up that year. I cant remember when he retired.

Next year has two biggies: Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn

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[BoondockSaint]

Next year has two biggies: Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn


Actually you're off by a year, they will be 2006. Bill Madden was saying today that next years is one of the weakest classes he can remember. It's like Gary Gaietti and Albert Belle.

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[Doogie]

Mark McGwire also retired in 2001 so the following Hall Vote (2007) should be interesting indeed


EDIT: Help me out with something though. Is it five or six years after retiring you are eligible??


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[Walrus622]

I am going to regret this but, March 18?

[WindowSill]

Look, I agreed to let your friend Steve's band play at the wedding, its only fair you let me choose the date...


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[BoondockSaint]

Yeah, McGuire, Ripken and Gwynn will all go in the first year. Not just three greats, but all-time fan favorites. Madden was saying he thinks Jim Rice may get in next year just because there is no one else to vote for.


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[Doogie]

I though it was only two players at a time...so it will be a tough choice. Frankly I pick Ripken and Gwynn over McGwire

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[WindowSill]

Didnt McGwire retire a year after Ripken? Maybe Im wrong...

Does it really have to be just 2 players at a time? I think they can let in more as long as they get at least 75% of the votes....


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[Walrus622]

Band, wedding, you're a dude right? And how do you know steve?

[mikeyboy]

Does it really have to be just 2 players at a time? I think they can let in more as long as they get at least 75% of the votes....


It's definitely not limited to two.

Didn't Ryan, Yount and Brett (and possibly Fisk) all go in the same year?

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[BoondockSaint]

Gywnn, Ripken and McGwire all retied after 2001. And there is no limit to how many go in, it is 75% of the voters. It's just rare that you would get 3 in one year, all on the first ballot.

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[Walrus622]

The first class to go in '36 had at least 6 guys, I think even a couple more.

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[WindowSill]

That was before they had asshole writers like they do now...Who the hell DIDNT vote for Boggs?


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[Snoogans]

Band, wedding, you're a dude right? And how do you know steve?

you bastards better not fuck this up for me, im just breaking into event planning and this reception was gonna be my big break.

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[Hottub]

Are you planning on serving big-ass burgers, and dressing the party in yellow helmets?


Boggs should go into the hall as a sellout


Why so bitter about Boggs. He was probably the greatest Redsox player since the Yaz, Pudge era!

Which reminds me, who was the last player to win the triple crown

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[Doogie]

The first class to go in '36 had at least 6 guys, I think even a couple more


Well yeah they had 6 cause it was A) the depression and people needed to have a interest in the game again

B) there were so many greats retired at that point it was hard not to choose 6.

They were Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson and Eddie Collins (Ironically the only member of the 1919 "Black Sox" in the hall.)

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[Snoogans]

im bitter about boggs cause he went to the yankees.

same way i hate jesse armstead for going to washington, and dhani jones for goin to philly. you are supposed to hate those guys, and anytime i see the proof that fans care that much more about the sport than players do, it pisses me off.

its not like some other team wouldnt have given them money to play

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[Bulldogcakes]

No Red Sox are allowed to just play great and leave. They MUST be smeared on their way out. And hated thereafter. Goes all the way back to the Babe. What do they say in Boston "Sports, Politics and Revenge"?

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[mikeyboy]

Which reminds me, who was the last player to win the triple crown


Frank Robinson?

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[Bulldogcakes]

Mikey, you're kidding right? You're a Sox fan.
CARL YASTREMSKI

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[Snoogans]

and the last triple crown was either Yaz or frank robinson, i know they did it in consecutive years but i dont remember which did it first

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[Snoogans]

yea it was robinson in 66, and yaz in 67

and mikeyboy is an orioles fan, so i forgive him for that

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[Bulldogcakes]

Soog I'm so glad you got that sig pic. That is the funniest fuckin thing ever.

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[Hottub]

It was Yaz! 1967.

My God, with all of the outrageuos home run hitting lately, and all the super sluggers and runners, (plus 'roids) nobody has been able to accomplish what Yaz did in almost 40 years!!

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[Walrus622]

Man, those are some classic baseball names. Mathewson had died already, gas poisoning in WWI. He kind of looked like the guy from goonies at the end

[Snoogans]

thats cause its hard to lead in homers, RBI, and avg when you strike out 200 times

the only guy with a shot is bonds, and he is a fuckin cheater

and bulldog, its so funny it makes me wanna post just to see it

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[Walrus622]

He was already a part of Yankee history, last out of Rag's no-no. They play the clip like once a day on the YES network.

[Bulldogcakes]

The shit Bonds takes, I dont recognize ANYTHING that fucker does.
Its not just the steriods, He takes all sorts of shit, including Narcolepsy (falling asleep disease) medicine, which makes him super alert without being jumpy like w/speed

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[Snoogans]

well excuse me for doin my best to avoid the YES network, and keep in mind Rag's no no was 2 days after i was born, my mom actually watched it in the hospital up in NH, she jokes that the last out set off 135 pacemakers in the hospital

and BDC, bonds, giambi and them also took a steroid that does nothing but IMPROVE YOUR EYESIGHT

thats probably the single most important attribute in baseball

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[Hottub]

and bulldog, its so funny it makes me wanna post just to see it


At least a Thank You...

Dick!

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The worst part is that Aaron actually was good enough. Now he is supposed to be gracefull and respect bond's. It's will be hard to watch.

[BoondockSaint]

and bulldog, its so funny it makes me wanna post just to see it


Well, the two of you can buy me a beer for posting the original and Hottub, I think, for making the sig.

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[Snoogans]

thank you.....bitches



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[Snoogans]

The worst part is that Aaron actually was good enough. Now he is supposed to be gracefull and respect bond's. It's will be hard to watch.


he isnt. he has already come out and bashed bonds and made comments about how it shouldnt count or something, and he is absolutely right.

how bout this, let me try to break the home run record, except i get to hit from second base, and you cant throw the ball over 80.

cause thats basically what the steroids made it seem like to bonds


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[Hottub]

I'll buy you a beer when you lend me a copy of Boondock Saints!

Your more than welcome, dick! Anytime!!

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Do you thonk Bonds will get an asterisk next to his name in the record books?

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[Snoogans]

Your more than welcome, dick! Anytime!!


aight good, then get cracking on some new ones for me

and FUCK smilies, this thread went man style

INSULT PEOPLE LIKE MEN

and no, i dont think they will asterisk anything, not after 61. Should they, no, they shouldnt asterisk, they should COMPLETELY FUCKIN WIPE OUT everything bonds did after 1995

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Well, the two of you can buy me a beer for posting the original and Hottub, I think, for making the sig.

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[Hottub]

I don't need no stinkin' smilies in a sports thread, douche!

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BDC, at least get the man a beer, not that yellow water

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[Bulldogcakes]

You payin?

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[Walrus622]

If he actually stands up and dissent's it would shame bond's. He is so deep into denial right now he needs someone like Aaron or May's to ostricize him. Those guys were the real deal and there number's have stood as the best for years, I would love to hear Aaron say he wont recognize Bonds record.

[mikeyboy]

When did this go from sports argument to circle jerk?

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[Snoogans]

are you kidding. bonds is so goddamn alufe that george bush could call him and tell him shit, and he'd hang up the phone on him

the only thing he cares about is himself, and when that new anti ball shrinking steroid will come out

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[Snoogans]

When did this go from sports argument to circle jerk?


When you came with the cookie

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[Bulldogcakes]

If he actually stands up and dissent's it would shame bond's. He is so deep into denial right now he needs someone like Aaron or May's to ostricize him. Those guys were the real deal and there number's have stood as the best for years, I would love to hear Aaron say he wont recognize Bonds record.

And in Baseball, those numbers matter. History is such a big part of Baseball, and all this steriod shit goes into the pile with the 1919 Black Sox in my book. Far as I'm concerned it never happened, record wise

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I'll buy you a beer when you lend me a copy of Boondock Saints!


I was saying the two of them owed us beers!

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[Snoogans]

you know what, ill take the 5.80 from your 2's beers, and use it to get you a 12 pack of natural ice instead. still better than bud, and with higher alcohol


HA

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[Hottub]

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Not bad for less than 5 minutes!


Ahem. Mikey. The reach-around?...

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[Snoogans]

actually i was 6 when he was born, i was 2 days when rags threw the no no, but i appreciate the effort, its better than the effort i see outta shockey every week

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[Snoogans]

i like it though, now i wish i knew how to rotate sigs so i could keep the fat black kid

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[mikeyboy]

now i wish i knew how to rotate sigs


http://www.cgispy.com -- use the "random images" features

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[Bulldogcakes]

KEEP THE FAT KID!!!

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[Snoogans]

dont worry, im setting up the random thingie so i have a bunch, and keep the fat kid


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[TheMojoPin]

Allow me to steer this thread back to the only thing that matters...

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[Snoogans]

wow mojo, today your team got 1 HOF member added for every world series you have won since 1908

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[Bulldogcakes]

Mojo, any recent pics of Chasey Lane? You said she looks like a crack whore, I'm curious.

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Cal Ripken could kick Ryne Sandberg's ass.

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[Snoogans]

cal ripken couldnt kick dave eckstein's ass in a fight

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[TheMojoPin]

Oddly, I can't find any, Bulldog.

The entire Ripken family couldn't fight Sandberg. All that Baltimore cousin-fucking rubbed off on them and made 'em "special."

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[mikeyboy]

C'mon. Rip's like 8'4".

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[Snoogans]

alonzo mourning is tall too, and he proved he couldnt hit a pole if he was driving drunk

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[TheMojoPin]

C'mon. Rip's like 8'4".

Just like this guy!

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Damn right!

Thanks!

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[Walrus622]

These posts just got really funny. Sandberg was like a piece of copper in an ocean of asbestos. He was great, but nice guys finish last. They at least dont make it on the first ballot.

[Snoogans]

ty cobb made it first ballot, and everyone knows what a humanitarian he was

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[Hottub]

The coloring sucks. I'll try and re-adjust in the am, if you want it.

3rd five minute sig tonight!!

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Whatever's easiest for you, HT.

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[Snoogans]

i mean come on hottub, he's a cubs fan, he is used to not needing to look at quality

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And as a Sox fan, Snoogans simply isn't used to reading this reply...this thread...or anything at all.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Mojo, this was from November 2004. She looks alright
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[Snoogans]

And as a Sox fan, Snoogans simply isn't used to reading this reply...this thread...or anything at all.


What?

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Exactly.

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[mikeyboy]

'cause Red Sox fans can't read. The fact that I had to explain the joke to you doesn't help your case.

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What?


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the fact that you guys dont realize i said what to play along with mojo doesnt help your cases. goddan son, im well aware of what he meant, I CAN READ remember

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But Goddam Son, you still can't type!

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[Walrus622]

I guess sox, cubs rivalry is nostalgia now. Imagine, a damn sox fan bieng able to say to anyone, "oh yeah, when's the last time you won the series?" (By the way, the guy from goonies I meant was sloth.)

[mikeyboy]

Yeah well, I just overexplained the joke to play along...with....uh


nevermind

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There was a Cubs/Sox rivalry in the first place?

You crazy Yankee fans are ADORABLE.

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[Walrus622]

Don't patronize kid, Chicago is the "second city" for a reason.

[Walrus622]

Is that cork in your bat or are you just happy to see me?

[Snoogans]

But Goddam Son, you still can't type!


in fairness, do to multiple snapple spills, my e, m, x, k, and p are folded up matches stuck into the key holes that i push on cause the keys get stuck and put 100 letters in

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[TheMojoPin]

Don't patronize kid, Chicago is the "second city" for a reason.



That doesn't apply to the Cubs.

We would have been HAPPY to have been 2nd.

Try 22nd. That would have been more accurate.

But what can you do? We love our team, no matter how much they stink.

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Its true...and they stink REALLY BAD...


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every year too...


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[Snoogans]

yea even worse then we did....and we had buckner

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[TheMojoPin]

If they won, we wouldn't know what to do.

You can't be lovable losers if you actually win. It would ruin the franchise!

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[Snoogans]

now, it would make the franchise a ton, it would ruin your true fanbase. it would multiply cubs fans by like 9 million

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[TheMojoPin]

It's fucking hard enough to get tickets for their games when they suck...if they actually won it, the next season would probably be the first one I can remember where I didn't get to go to a game.

And that would kill me.

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[Walrus622]

Good point. There is something to be said for melon collie and the ifinite sadness.

[Snoogans]

yea, like it was the last time the smashing pumpkins were good

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[A.J.]

With that said Schilling is no hero. He got his ass handed to him in the the first game of a series he was here to win. Then totally copped out by faking hurt so he would have an excuse.

Right.

That limping he did during the Anaheim series was a ploy -- as was the bloody sock.

No Red Sox are allowed to just play great and leave. They MUST be smeared on their way out. And hated
thereafter.

Right: Carlton Fisk, Carney Lansford, Fred Lynn, Dwight Evans, Dennis Eckersley, Dave Henderson: all were smeared and loathed.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Good point. There is something to be said for melon collie and the ifinite sadness.

Melon Collie? I know a Border Collie, Bearded Collie and Miniature Collie. No Melons.

Let's just forget about ifinite

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[WindowSill]

Ryne Sandbergs stats- 2164 games played, 8385 ABs, 2386 hits, 1318 runs, 403 2B, 76 3B, 282 HR, 1061 RBI, 761 BB, 1260 SO, 344 SB, Career batting average .285...

Now, lets look at other second basemen around the league today...

Roberto Alomar - 2379 games played, 9073 AB, 1508 Runs, 2724 hits, 504 2B, 80 3B, 210 HR, 1134 RBI, 1032 BB, 1140 SO, 474 SB, Career batting avg. of ...300.

And I dont wanna list Kents and Biggios stats but Sandberg may have opened the door for these guys....and I do not wanna see Jeff Kent being voted into the Hall! Robbie Alomar too for that matter, even though his stats are obviously better than Ryno's...


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[TheMojoPin]

Stats aren't the end-all of deciding factors. They vary greatly from decade to decade given the climate of the game at the time. Most of Sandberg's numbers are from AT LEAST20 years ago, and you're comparing him to the players that came after him (Though Alomar's been around, what, 15 years? 16?).

Just because one set of numbers gets in with one player doesn't automatically mean anyone with better numbers at a later date gets in as well.

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[Snoogans]

alomar wont get in for spitting on the ump. when you vote, a paragraph actually says you can refrain from voting for someone based on the goodness for the game and respect off the field that player had.

Thats why somehow, im confident that enough writers with hold enough anger that bonds never gets voted in, even though he should be just based on his time in Pitt

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[TheMojoPin]

alomar wont get in for spitting on the ump. when you vote, a paragraph actually says you can refrain from voting for someone based on the goodness for the game and respect off the field that player had.

Exactly. Which is a HUGE reason as to why Sandberg IS getting in. The guy was the definition of a class act, and he was a helluva good player.

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[Walrus622]

I guess he had a band-aid on in game one? Did'nt need surgery before you lose I guess.

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[Iamnotatool]

Sandburg quit the game to save his kids from a messy divorce he and his wife were going through. Thats HOF material right there.

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Once again Bert Blyleven gets screwed. He is 5th all time with 3701 career K's but still not good enough for Cooperstown

[Iamnotatool]

Blyleven gets in the Hall, I'm gonna protest nekkid


He had a good deuce, thats about it. I'm sick of fucking compilers getting in because they played FOREVER.


Blyleven was a fucking launchpad, look up his HR's allowed, legendary stuff.

I think Someone just took him deep again.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Carlton Fisk, Carney Lansford, Fred Lynn, Dwight Evans, Dennis Eckersley, Dave Henderson: all were smeared and loathed.

Pedro Martinez, Babe Ruth, Wade Boggs, Roger Clemens. Ted Williams hated the press and the fans so much he wouldn't even acknowlege them when he hit his great HR in his last AB. No, you're right AJ. The Boston Press are a bunch of homers. Rah, rah.

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[Bulldogcakes]

alomar wont get in for spitting on the ump.

Actually, He and the Ump patched things up years ago. Hirshbeck has a sick kid, and Alomar did alot of work w/him for related charity stuff. If the writers want to hold it against him, they should ask Hirshbeck first. He has nothing but good things to say about him now.

BTW Hirshbeck is well known in the AL for having the worlds biggest strike zone.
Both Cone and Well's perfect games were w/Hirshbeck behind the plate.

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[A.J.]

Pedro Martinez, Babe Ruth, Wade Boggs, Roger Clemens. Ted Williams hated the press and the fans so
much he wouldn't even acknowlege them when he hit his great HR in his last AB. No, you're right AJ. The Boston Press are a bunch of homers. Rah, rah.

Were you talking about "smearing" by press or management? They are two separate things. Is the Boston press critical? That DOESN'T happen in NY as well?

Pedro: Put on any sports talk show and I guarantee you they will have discussed how Pedro his past his prime. Not they best pitcher on the planet like he was 5 years ago but still pretty good. Do you think he's worth the money and long-term contract if he can only give you 5-6 solid innings throughout the season? That's a legitimate concern, not a question.

Am I sad to see Pedro go? Sure. But we knew this was a possibility. I wish him well and am grateful for all he did for Boston. I learned with Kevin McHale this is a business and you can't be sentimental.

Boggs: I don't recall Boggs ever being smeared except for having his balls busted for the Margo Adams affair. Were Sox fans pissed to see him win a ring with the Yankees? I guess so. Personally, I was glad to see him get the ring he deserved - and should have had in '86.

Clemens: Clemens earned some smearing. He pitched half-heartedly during his last years in Boston. His little tantrum and then getting tossed during the ALDS against the A's hurt the team. What pissed fans off is all of a sudden he's the old Rocket when he goes to the Blue Jays. Why not the same effort in Boston? I'll grant you that management fucked this one up...to a point.

Ruth: What is known is that Ruth liked to party too much and management was tired of it. Even the Yankees got tired of Ruth's shit. Joe McCarthy benched him, his Captaincy was revoked, and the Yankees never made him a manager after teasing him with that promise for years.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Were you talking about "smearing" by press or management? They are two separate things. Is the Boston press critical? That DOESN'T happen in NY as well?

AJ, I really try not to insult people, but that is the dumbest thing I've read on this site that was spelled correctly. WHO DO YOU THINK FEEDS THE PRESS THE SMEARS? DO THEY FALL OUT OF THE SKY?
The Ruth case is well documented that those partying stories were started by Frazee as damage control. They were true, but never a problem before he left Boston.

You follow this up by repeating all the smears about each player as if they are facts.

AJ-Notice this. Every player on my list is a first ballot Hall of Famer. Almost every one on yours is not. When a player THAT GOOD leaves, they get smeared as damage control because Management knows how rabid the fans are. Open your eyes.

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AJ, I really try not to insult people, but that is the dumbest thing I've read on this site that was spelled correctly. WHO DO YOU THINK FEEDS THE PRESS THE SMEARS? DO THEY FALL OUT OF THE SKY?

Yeah -- I guess it took a press release from Dan Duquette to make people realize that at the end of his career in Boston, Clemens was overweight and his velocity and numbers were no longer what they once were.

I'm not going to defend the boneheaded moves made by the Boston front office. From 1918-2004, God knows there were enough of them. But to say that questioning the health and durability of a player in the long-term is a smear tactic is ridiculous.

Clemens and Boggs were in their mid 30s and management didn't want to sign them to long-term deals. That decision proved to be bad.

Just this past month or so we saw an another example with Pedro and Varitek. They decided not to gamble on Pedro's arm and let him go but did gamble that Varitek's knees would hold out. It remains to be seem how that plays out.

And you can even cite the Nomar trade. I guess it was only the Boston press that questioned Nomar's health and attitude. I guess it was the Boston front office that told FOX to focus on Nomar sitting alone on the bench while all his teammates were at the edge of the dugout during that marathon game at the Stadium this summer.

Look, baseball is a business. This is no different than the Yankees letting Tino go in favor of signing Giambi? How did THAT work out? They should never have let Tino go in the first place.

And if you really want to talk about management smearing a player, should I mention how Steinbrenner treated Dave "Mr. May" Winfield? How he hired investigators to dig up dirt on him? How he referred to Hideki Irabu as a "fat, pussy toad"?

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And you can even cite the Nomar trade. I guess it was only the Boston press that questioned Nomar's health and attitude. I guess it was the Boston front office that told FOX to focus on Nomar sitting alone on the bench while all his teammates were at the edge of the dugout during that marathon game at the Stadium this summer.

The stories about Nomar being unhappy preceded the FOX broadcast. Hell, I heard them all the way down here in NY. Where do you think they got the idea to focus on him? Not the first time it he did it.
What are you arguing? That Boston smears everybody all the time? I'm a Yankee fan. We dont get into all this bench jockeying, personality stuff. You guys seem obsessed with it.

Look, baseball is a business. This is no different than the Yankees letting Tino go in favor of signing Giambi? How did THAT work out? They should never have let Tino go in the first place.

Actually, Tino hasn't done much since he left. Not that I'm defending Giambi, who I"m hoping falls down a long flight of stairs. Make that falls from a long flight to Japan.

And if you really want to talk about management smearing a player, should I mention how Steinbrenner treated Dave "Mr. May" Winfield? How he hired investigators to dig up dirt on him? How he referred to Hideki Irabu as a "fat, pussy toad"?

"Being a man means making a complete ass of yourself from time to time."-Ed Asner (from Mary Tyler Moore show) Which George did, in both cases. But that's not the same as what the Sox do to exiting Stars.

If you want to make a DIRECT comparison. Cite a player who was smeared ON HIS WAY OUT. Which is the topic we're discussing.
Plus, Irabu sucked. In libel law, truth is an absolute defense.

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