Opie and Anthony go back to FM! [Archive]

Reephdweller

12-20-2004, 04:42 AM

Well they're back on regular NY radio...granted it's Syracuse, but the virus gotta start somewhere.

For those of you who still haven't signed up for XM (which is really sad since you've missed some awesome radio already) and live in Syracuse, or know someone who can get you a feed into the station you might want to check it out. They'll most likely be up and running as of tomorrow, since today is a cluster f so far.

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Doctor Manhattan

12-20-2004, 04:48 AM

Is this legal? Don't Infinity and/or O&A own that materal? Infinity won't even allow their Jocks to mention the boys (Ron and Fez have referred to them as "Friends of ours" at one point) I didn't think they would allow O&A's material to be broadcast. I also didn't think XM would allow their 3 months worth of stuff to be broadcast from earth.

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12-20-2004, 04:58 AM

It's a Citadel (http://www.citadelcommunications.com/) radio station, they broadcast Howards show, but they can play whatever they want on it. The guy who runs Citadel is tight with O&A so they're broadcasting the shows. It's not an Infinity owned station.

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12-20-2004, 05:00 AM

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Doctor Manhattan

12-20-2004, 05:10 AM

but they can play whatever they want on it. The guy who runs Citadel is tight with O&A so they're broadcasting the shows. It's not an Infinity owned station.

I figured it wasn't owned by Infinty. But I don't think they can really play "whatever they want"

I would guess that Infinity or XM would have an issue with them playing material from their stations (I could be wrong)

I'm very sure that O&A don't have 100% control over their material, at least on the Infinity side. They might on XM but I'm sure they don't have full control of their material from WNEW. My reason for thinking that is the fact that they couldn't get out of their 2 year hitaus. I'm sure they would have liked to move to Clear Channel or XM before October of this year.

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Reephdweller

12-20-2004, 05:13 AM

I figured it was owned by Infinty. But I don't think they can really play "whatever they want"

What I mean is, they can play whatever air talent they want. Citadel carries Howards show, though they can change it to whomever they like. They obviously made some sort of a deal with O&A and XM. I doubt that they will be playing any of their bits while on Infinity for a while, or at least until they come to some kind've agreement.

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mikeyboy

12-20-2004, 05:14 AM

I'm pretty sure Infinity owns the rights to broadcast O&A on WNEW. That's why O&A can't broadcast any of it on XM. I wonder if he Syracuse station will be playing WAAF material or censored and edited XM material.

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Doctor Manhattan

12-20-2004, 05:17 AM

Actually that does make sense. And it's good advertising for XM.

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12-20-2004, 05:19 AM

I wonder if he Syracuse station will be playing WAAF material or censored and edited XM material.

They've been playing material tody from their Demented World cd and some music as filler. Last I heard before I had to head into work was that the XM shows (albeit edited, or delayed with a dump button) would be heard on the air.

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Reephdweller

12-20-2004, 05:21 AM

I someone on another board mention that they said O&A cut sweepers for the show in Syracuse that says something like "If you want the uncut version of the show get XM". So in my opinion it's a very good deal for XM. Plus if they start broadcasting the shows to the other Citadel radio stations which was speculated to be another 4 stations in other cities I think it will be a very big deal.

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mikeyboy

12-20-2004, 05:38 AM

O&A need to do something like this to increase their subscriber base further. At this point, the people who are familiar with O&A most likely know that they are on XM and have made a decision whether or not to subscribe. To increase their subscriber base further, the need to reach out to the people who aren't familiar with O&A. Word of mouth works, but that is only somewhat effective. People are willing to go see a movie or watch a TV show that they hear good things about, but would probably be less likely to make the initial investment in XM and pay the monthly fees just to hear something with a positive word of mouth. The free trial online trial helps, but many people would rather listen to the radio in the car than at their computer. This way, terrestrial radio listeners can be exposed to the show for free and possibly decide to go to XM. This is probably an experiment, and if it works, we may see parts of the XM show on non-Infinity and non-Clear Channel stations around the country.

Also, I'd have to imagine that this is Citadel's way of giving Stern the biggest middle finger it can.

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Reephdweller

12-20-2004, 05:45 AM

Also, I'd have to imagine that this is Citadel's way of giving Stern the biggest middle finger it can.

From what I understand they regularly dump out of his show whenever he mentions Sirius. Which must be pretty often.

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Doctor Manhattan

12-20-2004, 06:27 AM

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12-20-2004, 06:35 AM

All I can say is: WOW!

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JPMNICK

12-20-2004, 06:40 AM

I think this is awesome. congrats to them. they really are building an empire. one day in the near future, people may talk about them like they talk about stern now.

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12-20-2004, 06:41 AM

WNEW rises from the ashes. Time to switch formats over night.

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BoondockSaint

12-20-2004, 07:13 AM

Wait. They are so upset about Howard mentioning Sirius that they are now basically running a commercial for XM? Wouldn't it be better to just get some new talent that will be on the station after Stern leaves?

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Reephdweller

12-20-2004, 07:39 AM

Wait. They are so upset about Howard mentioning Sirius that they are now basically running a commercial for XM?

I think what is suggested is that Howard and Citadel weren't on good terms to begin with. I haven't heard the Syracuse spots yet myself, though I've heard Opie mention Fareeq and Citadel in the past as friends of theirs. My guess has always been that they weren't on such great terms with Howie.

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Johnny4

12-20-2004, 04:28 PM

As of now half of Stern's show gets dumped and he is running a clean show. By the time they get done dumping Oand A their show will sound like it's simulcast in Chinese. Really well thought out. If they miss one dump, Citadel is toast.

For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name

Reephdweller

12-20-2004, 05:18 PM

Citadel is smart actually. They get tons of exposure for doing this. As does XM. Plus O&A are talking about this one Syracuse station (so far), plus if Hoo Hoo Howie talks about it when he gets back from having his sea breezes it'll even be a bigger story.

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BoondockSaint

12-20-2004, 05:27 PM

Citadel is smart actually. They get tons of exposure for doing this. As does XM. Plus O&A are talking about this one Syracuse station (so far), plus if Hoo Hoo Howie talks about it when he gets back from having his sea breezes it'll even be a bigger story.

So those XM O&A listeners from Syracuse will listen. That's maybe 100 people? And even if Howard talks about it, the people in Syracuse already know so what's the big deal? I think it's a bad business decision for Citadel. How do the advertisers feel about this?

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Reephdweller

12-20-2004, 05:32 PM

Since O&A have already met and exceeded XM's subscriber expectations up to this point, every little bit extra of extra listeners that they get can only be more gooder for the show. XM will do very well. Plus on top of that Citadel absolutely is at war with Stern right now. They will do just fine from this.

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torker

12-20-2004, 05:44 PM

if Hoo Hoo Howie talks about it when he gets back from having his sea breezes it'll even be a bigger story

He will feign ignorance to the situation. I have listen to Howie since his inception. Two things have bothered me about the man: rallying for the banning of The Passion of The Christ while crying about his first amendment rights; not confronting or even acknowledging O & A's existence until they were off WNEW.

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12-20-2004, 05:49 PM

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BoondockSaint

12-20-2004, 06:06 PM

Plus on top of that Citadel absolutely is at war with Stern right now. They will do just fine from this.

So a year from now, when they have neither, how does that help them? Sholdn't they be trying to make an impact with a show they can broadcast after all this?

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Reephdweller

12-20-2004, 06:27 PM

I think it will benefit them in the long run, and who knows, perhaps O&A will convince them to syndicate Ron and Fez to Syracuse as well.

Whatever the case is though, I could care less about Citadel. I'm mostly interested in more and more people knowing O&A are back and getting as many people infected by the virus as possible.

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Bulldogcakes

12-20-2004, 07:03 PM

One thing I've never understood about Infinity. They bust people's balls who stream Ron & Fez on the internet. I thought the whole point of radio was to get as many LISTENERS as possible. Its like increasing your broadcast signal (which is free in your area) to the whole world/internet. And they're trying to STOP people from listening? Huh?

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Doctor Manhattan

12-21-2004, 06:24 AM

I missed the O&A show yesterday when I was posting in this thread. I caught the replay and they explained everything.

I can't wait to see what happens!

Hoo Hoo!

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curtoid

12-21-2004, 07:10 AM

THIS JUST IN...Sinclair Broadcasting has dropped Howard Stern and is now running tapes of The Greaseman...

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Doctor Manhattan

12-21-2004, 08:11 AM

And he's just been fired for another racial comment. Waddle Doodle.

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walking joint

01-03-2005, 06:34 AM

does anyone know if Stern is back from vacation...and if so did he mention anything about O&A replacing him in Syracuse?

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Reephdweller

01-03-2005, 06:47 AM

Yes, he mentioned the situation, and it appears that O&A are now being broadcast into even more markets that Sinclair has stations in. I think I heard some Philly callers call-in to report that O&A were on instead of Howard. For the most part it was a number of unhappy Howard fans calling in.

Howard even referred to O&A at one point as the Earl and Opie show, though later corrected it as Opie and Anthony. I don't know everything that was said, though I kept going back between both shows as I drove in to work. I'll have to listen on the replay later on.

Here's a
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01-03-2005, 07:31 AM

thanks...i check it when i get home...damn access denied at work.

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01-03-2005, 07:55 AM

just a gist of what is there....

Howard doesn't understand why they're taking all of this so personally. Howard said that this guy Fahrid is taking this stuff so personally. They're playing Opie and Anthony up there right now but Howard says that he really doesn't care....

Howard said that he signs these contracts that are supposed to be iron clad but the other companies are the ones who don't stick to it. They tell him he's violated his contract in some way but they can never give him a good reason. Howard said that there are people who think he cares about Opie and Anthony and Mancow but he really doesn't. Mancow was in the news because he thinks he can take over for Howard in all of his markets and he also thinks that Howard isn't talented enough to make it on satellite. Howard said that the guy would need more than a 3 share to get put on in all of the markets he's on in....

Howard talked about how crazy things have gotten since his announcement about making the move to Sirius and it's ridiculous. They're all overreacting to the news. Satellite is still not that big but terrestrial radio stations are freaking out already. Howard said that this guy Fahrid is one of the people overreacting. They're hiring Opie and Anthony to replace Howard but Howard really doesn't care. He said he started laughing when he heard the news that the Syracuse station replaced him with Opie and Anthony.

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01-03-2005, 08:10 AM

He said he started laughing when he heard the news that the Syracuse station replaced him with Opie and Anthony.

I would have too, if I were him. Their response to Howard talking about going to Sirius in a year is to put on a show that is already on XM? THAT is really funny, and I can't imagine is any skin off his nose - as I said elsewhere, O&A may have a very, very loyal fanbase, but Howard is in a very rare league. He might be disappointed, but I doubt he's surprised he's losing stations before the switch. Where is there incentive for them to keep him? If he's losing sleep over anything it's that he's leaving a sure thing for something he could really fail.

Doctor Manhattan

01-03-2005, 08:15 AM

from that same site:

Howard said that it really makes no sense because Citadel, owners of those four stations, is putting satellite based radio shows on their station but the whole reason they were pissed at Howard was because he was talking about going to satellite. Howard said that Fahrid just needs to take a deep breath and think about what he's doing.

It's pretty obvious that they didn't replace Stern with O&A simply for Stern mentioning Sirius on the air (I'm sure the fact that Stern's show is one long adverstisment for Sirius is part of it) I don't think Stern wants to come clean about the bad blood between Stern and the others who worked at Infinity (Fahrid, O&A and who knows how many others)

Putting O&A on is a clear F-U to Stern.

Are they still playing the previous day's show on the Sinclair stations?

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Doctor Manhattan

01-03-2005, 08:19 AM

He might be disappointed, but I doubt he's surprised he's losing stations before the switch.

Yeah. I expect his show to be "called in" for a while with a big Blow Out Goodbye/Please come with us series of shows before he finishes at his current station

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Reephdweller

01-03-2005, 09:07 AM

I seriously doubt that Howard doesn't care and that this isn't important. It is very much so. There is also no doubt much more behind the scenes between Howard and Citadel than either of them or even O&A are eluding to. It has to be more than just mentioning Sirius.

I can certainly feel for Howards loyal listeners who are the ones who are hurting in all this in that they don't get to the hear the show they want to hear.

I don't care how anybody wants to slice it - this is a big deal for O&A. Not only are they getting to advertise their XM show on public airwaves, but they're getting Howard mentioning them by name on the air. For a guy with many many many times the size of audience that he has to mention them is big victory for them. At this point O&A are scrounging for crumbs to get noticed and they did so in a big way.

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01-03-2005, 09:28 AM

I don't care how anybody wants to slice it - this is a big deal for O&A. Not only are they getting to advertise their XM show on public airwaves, but they're getting Howard mentioning them by name on the air. For a guy with many many many times the size of audience that he has to mention them is big victory for them.

Yeah, I tend to agree with you, but to someone who knows nothing about them, Stern (and Artie's) spin made them sound like a morning zoo.

More from MarksFriggin Recap:

Artie did an impression of Fahrid talking about all of the people they could replace Howard with. Howard suggested just teaming up everyone with Anthony. So it would be Mancow and Anthony, Mark and Brian and Anthony. Artie had a bunch of others that he threw in there. Howard said that it really makes no sense because Citadel, owners of those four stations, is putting satellite based radio shows on their station but the whole reason they were pissed at Howard was because he was talking about going to satellite. Howard said that Fahrid just needs to take a deep breath and think about what he's doing. He thinks that 2005 is going to be an interesting year. Artie continued to do his Fahrid impression and said that he's going to bankrupt the company while putting on Imus and Anthony and stuff like that.

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01-03-2005, 09:48 AM

Artie did an impression of Fahrid talking about all of the people they could replace Howard with. Howard suggested just teaming up everyone with Anthony. So it would be Mancow and Anthony, Mark and Brian and Anthony. Artie had a bunch of others that he threw in there. Howard said that it really makes no sense because Citadel, owners of those four stations, is putting satellite based radio shows on their station but the whole reason they were pissed at Howard was because he was talking about going to satellite. Howard said that Fahrid just needs to take a deep breath and think about what he's doing. He thinks that 2005 is going to be an interesting year. Artie continued to do his Fahrid impression and said that he's going to bankrupt the company while putting on Imus and Anthony and stuff like that.

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Wow that sounds like a laugh riot (elbow to the ribs).

OnA said that Stern was talking about them so i listened to about 10 min of Stern today during a commercial on OnA (i havent listened in many years) and i noticed Stern keeped having these long heee heee type of fake laughs. i mean so obviously fake laughs.(when he was talking about how this does not bother him). Plus he mentioned OnA by name 3 times in 10 minutes.

god i really dont get how people can listen to 5 hours of that every day. I mean i understand if someone does not like the OnA show or the RnF show, but i just cant understand why there is even one person that likes the Stern show.

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01-03-2005, 09:53 AM

I seriously doubt that Howard doesn't care and that this isn't important.

Caring about the behind the scenes stuff and caring about putting on a good show are two different things. Since Howard is as big as he is, he seems to be able to call in his show. I personally think he'll get even lazier (about the show itself) as it gets closer to Sirius time.

I'm sure he cares about this thing, I wish he still cared about his listeners.

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Doctor Manhattan

01-03-2005, 09:58 AM

god i really dont get how people can listen to 5 hours of that every day. I mean i understand if someone does not like the OnA show or the RnF show, but i just cant understand why there is even one person that likes the Stern show.

He used to be good. I guess if people used to like him, some will keep listening.

Artie Lang is funny, sometimes. There is a lot of crap on the radio. Stern is still a better choice than a lot of it. I can't imagine starting to listen to him now and then buying a Sirius tuner to keep listening.

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01-03-2005, 10:06 AM

I heard the whole thing this morning and I thought it was very funny. It was really about how crazy Fahrid was and not about OnA.

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01-03-2005, 10:12 AM

MarksFriggin site is an excellent site for recapping things like this.

Like SKW I'll have to find the audio from today because I'd like to hear what he had to say in it's entirety.

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01-03-2005, 10:54 AM

At this point O&A are scrounging for crumbs to get noticed and they did so in a big way.

I'm curious. Since I don't live in NY or LA, The #1 and 2 radio markets I have no idea who is in Radio outside of Stern, O&A, R&F, Don and Mike, The Hideout, The Sports Junkies, James Brown, Pat Goss, Bill O'Reilly, Stuart Smalley, G Gordon Liddy, Hannity Oliver North and The Greaseman. (A lot of those names shouldn't count as Radio Personalaities)

Outside of Stern, Are there any BIG names in radio that are bigger than O&A (who were getting pretty big before Sex for Sam III, and that did get them a lot of press which would have worked for them if they stayed on the air or were able to move to clear channel right away (only to be kicked off for whatever other reason)

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Reephdweller

01-03-2005, 11:00 AM

Outside of Stern, Are there any BIG names in radio that a bigger than O&A

I think Mancow is probably the only one. I don't know if he's a bigger name, but he's up there.

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01-03-2005, 11:02 AM

I'm going to have to find files of Howie's show and listen to this. Sounds funny.

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01-03-2005, 11:05 AM

Outside of Stern, Are there any BIG names in radio that a bigger than O&A

I think Mancow is probably the only one. I don't know if he's a bigger name, but he's up there.

There's also Leykis, who, unexplicably, does very well on the West Coast. I believe that there are also a number of syndicated teams that do very well in the Southeast but aren't well known outside that area (Ron & Ron probably would have fallen into that category in the 1980s). Also, there's Limbaugh, although he does a very different kind of show.

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Reephdweller

01-03-2005, 11:08 AM

Is there any possibility of Ron and Ron ever reuniting to do a show?

One of the things I've been thinking about is if Infinity were to approach them R&F and Ron Diaz about doing a morning show to replace Howard, if it would ever materialize.

I know that their morning show was very popular when they were together, so I'm curious if they were proposed that idea if something like that would happen.

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01-03-2005, 11:13 AM

"Ron and Fez and Ron"?

"Ron and Ron and Fez"?

How about "Fez and Ron and Ron"?

How about "L'il Jim and Fez"?

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01-03-2005, 11:16 AM

I'm curious. Since I don't live in NY or LA, The #1 and 2 radio markets

As far as billing and money generated, DC is the second wealthiest, most profitable radio market in the country, behind the Big Sac.

The easiest thing to do to become very unimpressed with radio in the big markets (LA, specifically) is to visit and to listen. The worst radio I've ever heard was in Los Angeles, while maybe the best I've ever heard was outside of Kansas City.

Outside of Stern, Are there any BIG names in radio that a bigger than O&A (who were getting pretty big before Sex for Sam III, and that did get them a lot of press which would have worked for them if they stayed on the air or were able to move to clear channel right away (only to be kicked off for whatever other reason)

Stern, Rush, Imus, Dr. Laura, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Loveline, Tom Lykiss, Jim Rome, G. Gordon Liddy, Jim Bohannon, Mike and Mike, Diane Rheme, Bob Edwards, Al Franken, Greaseman and Mark and Brian all have large name recognition across the country. Mancow, Don and Mike, John Boy and Billy, The Monsters of the Morning, and Ron and Fez all have about the same as O&A.

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01-03-2005, 11:29 AM

Is there any possibility of Ron and Ron ever reuniting to do a show?

Never say never, although the parties involved have been approached about this before, and it never materialized. Ron talked about it on the air the night that Paul O was in town for the Caddyshack showing (9/26/03, part 9, 10, 11 or 12 -- it's not in the file library, but if there's sufficient interest I can always add it.) My recollection is that Ron said that he had some interest in getting the show back together, but he sort of insinuated that doing the show again would make it to easy to get back into his old habits from the show (most likely using). Also that they had made a conscious effort to do a different kind of show, and that he decided to stick with it. I'll have to listen again to see if my recollection is accurate.

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01-03-2005, 11:36 AM

As far as billing and money generated, DC is the second wealthiest, most profitable radio market in the country, behind the Big Sac.
Sacramento?

The easiest thing to do to become very unimpressed with radio in the big markets (LA, specifically) is to visit and to listen. The worst radio I've ever heard was in Los Angeles, while maybe the best I've ever heard was outside of Kansas City.

I guess LA is more of a Movie/TV town.

I'm not much of a radiophile, I thought I heard LA was the Number 2 market while DC was # 7 or 8

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01-03-2005, 11:58 AM

In response to Lord Jezo's thread which was locked, I did have a reply which I'll add here...

O/A now with forced COMMERCIAL breaks!

Is this the end? They need to take at least 2 breaks an hour now for advertisements.

You have to remember that they will need to have breaks from time to time for bodily functions and whatnot. In addition to that, to have to talk for 3+ hours straight every day would be too difficult.

As it is now, when they go to breaks (which aren't long at all) they play bits of comics and commercials for XM. Most of which are commercials to have O&A added to your subscription...which really makes NO sense to me since the people listening must have it. I can understand the need to play it once in a while, but the regularity in which they do it's insane.

So instead of playing bits from comics and repeated commercials for XM programming I don't see the harm at all in adding a few advertisers to the program. Especially if it brings in money and can ultimately help the show eventually be taken off the premium channel.

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01-03-2005, 12:21 PM

It really should be up to OnA to build up an audience big enough that a switch to a non-premium, advertisement-filled channel would be a good idea. I don't see how they can ask listeners to pay extra for the opportunity to be presented with advertisements.

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01-03-2005, 12:28 PM

It is a smack in the face to their fans. First they have to pay the premium in order to hear the show. Now they are subject to commercials as well. If XM is going to run ads, they should immediately get rid of the premium designation -- they shouldn't be able to have it both ways.

Also, I can only assume that O&A's XM deal isn't as potentially crippling as Sirius' Stern deal, but is this some indication that XM may have overextended themselves in bringing in O&A?

Ultimately, ads or not, XM needs to ditch the premium tag. O&A are already limited in generating new audience. As it is, people who haven't heard them aren't likely to buy equipment and sign up for service in order to hear them (although the Citadel situation helps). By keeping O&A on a premium station, they are making it less likely that the people who are XM subscribers who don't know O&A will tune in.

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ChickenHawk

01-03-2005, 12:33 PM

I pay a premium charge for HBO, cuz it's a premium channel, and as a result, there is no such thing as a commercial on HBO.

I can't understand what XM is thinking.

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01-03-2005, 12:41 PM

Well I wasn't really defending it, though my perspective of it is that they do not want to be on the premium channel. They have made it clear on the air a few times that they want to be a regular channel in the xm line-up. If that means that they need to show XM that they're capable of bringing in revenue for the company than perhaps it will help in their argument.

I don't really have a problem with it because they run XM commercials when they go to break. If it were my choice I'd have them play some of their bits when they go to break, either that or their choice of their favorite comics and their bits, Steven Lynch or Brother Joe songs etc. However it doesn't appear to be that way right now.

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01-03-2005, 12:44 PM

yeah today they were playing commericals for that sex video... i thought it was a joke at first but it was real. I thought the whole point of paying for XM was that you didn't get any commercials.

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01-03-2005, 01:13 PM

Sacramento?

Yes.

I guess LA is more of a Movie/TV town.

I used LA as an example, but my impression has been it's pretty much across the board, with maybe Boston as an exception. With very, very limited exceptions, DC radio is an abortion.

I thought I heard LA was the Number 2 market while DC was # 7 or 8

Based on listeners, yes those are all right - what I was talking about was ad rates, and what makes company's money.

Ultimately, ads or not, XM needs to ditch the premium tag.

Agreed! This is so off-putting; how can any show be expected to grow past their already established rabid fan base, with having a lock at the door? How many times have people listen to O&A (or Howard, or any show like this), going into it thinking they hated it, only at the end come away loving it?? It illustrated so well in Stern's movie, with as many people hating Stern listening as loving him.

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01-03-2005, 01:17 PM

HBO plays commercials for HBO.....constantly.

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01-03-2005, 01:20 PM

Exactly, they are HBO commercials, just promoting shows that are on HBO, and it's not constant at all. It's like one or two quick promos in between programming. I've never seen them interupt a show or movie to play a promo.

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01-03-2005, 01:45 PM

Everyone's gotten use to this - no one complains, or if they do, they don't really do anything about it.

Even though it's not a pay channel, I remember when American Movie Classics used to play great movies without commercial interuption, and now they play garbage (right now - "Jaws The Revenge"! - followed by "Volcano"! Tonight, at least, they have "Carlito's Way" and "Jackie Brown"), with commercial breaks. No one bitches or moans about it anymore.

Same shit with commercials during trailers at the movies. It all started with Will Rogers Foundation, and now you pay up to $10 for the benefit of getting the same clap trap BS you have to wade through on televison thrown at you some more, but now bigger than life.

Reephdweller

01-03-2005, 01:49 PM

The fact is, they don't want to be on a premium channel. I believe they are doing pretty well as far as subscribers go, so I think in order to convince XM to move them off the premium channel they are going to have to find another way to pay for O&A on XM. If that means an advertisement here or there so be it.

I'm so happy to be able to hear their show again, I personally don't mind having to listen to a few dick enhancement ads or sex ed tapes with guys who look like Wade Boggs screwing chicks who'se cooches looks like a sea urchin. If this is what it takes to get them more exposure and can help them to one day be back on regular radio or at least on regular XM than I'm fine with it.

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01-03-2005, 02:31 PM

whats the big deal about paying the $2 premium channel. i waste alot more then than a month on crap i don't need. and they take breaks during the show anyway, so what's the big deal if its a commerical or a comedy bit that we have already heard 30 times that week....i wouldn't go as far as to call it a slap in the face to fans

oh, and does anyone have the stern clips yet?

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Doctor Manhattan

01-03-2005, 04:04 PM

Like SKW I'll have to find the audio from today because I'd like to hear what he had to say in it's entirety.

Listened to part of the show. And Artie Lang was funny.

"Bubba the Love Opie" in that Indian accent. "Man Cow and Anthony" "Opie and Farrid"

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01-03-2005, 04:10 PM

ugh, that part was so hard to listen to...maybe i don't get the much funnier joke behind the Indian voice. Howard said they should just team up everyone with Anthony...they start laughing hysterically and go through all the shows with Anthonys name in it. i don't get it, but they all seem to love it.

i have the clip and i'm listening now...i'd post it, but i have no idea how. i got it on wackbag so go there if you want to hear it.

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01-03-2005, 04:25 PM

It's not the funniest thing ever, but for the Stern show in the last couple years, it's about as funny as they get.

Howard's fake laughing was hard to listen to, but Artie seemed to be having fun goofing on Farrid (I don't know if he knows him, so it's really just a chance to do a Indian Accent, so it is rather lame)

I know he's full of shit, but Howard's image of Farrid going crazy because Howard's leaving FM made me smile (At least Artie's version of it)

I know it's not the truth, but I found it entertaining.

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fluffernutter

01-03-2005, 05:41 PM

I think I heard some Philly callers call-in to report that O&A were on instead of Howard.

I turned on Stern at 9 or so and it was Virus-Free. I doubt O & A will be on in Philly unless they go on a Citadel Station which I don't know of even exists here. The station Stern is on in the mornings here is 94 WYSP which is an Infinity Station. The only logical choice for O & A to be simulcast here is if they were to go to a Clear Channel Station here which is 93 WMMR. I doubt that though cause I don't think Clear Channel and Citadel are involved with each other. Unless of course all Radio Companies besides Infinity band together and simulcast O & A in the mornings like a head-to head thing to just screw Stern really bad.

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01-03-2005, 05:42 PM

HBO plays commercials for HBO.....constantly.

Dont forget all the hidden commercials. The "Hey Chris, get me a Coke" on the Sopranos (RF did the "Product placement game") I bet O&A like running commercials. They used to play music when they started on WNEW just to take a break. I think Mikeyboy has a good point. Knowing them, they got guarenteed money up front. And now XM probably doesn't have the subscribers they thought they would, so they're running commercials. As a consumer, if you're pissed, you have every right to be.

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01-03-2005, 05:50 PM

Artie seemed to be having fun goofing on Farrid (I don't know if he knows him, so it's really just a chance to do a Indian Accent, so it is rather lame)

Artie also loves making fun of other radio shows, especially anything with a "Someone & Someone." O&A fans need to have a thicker skin, because Artie has made fun of saying "Don & Mike" and "Mark & Brian" as punchlines many times over the years too.

walking joint

01-03-2005, 06:14 PM

O&A fans need to have a thicker skin, because Artie has made fun of saying "Don & Mike" and "Mark & Brian" as punchlines many times over the years too.

i'm not sure i need a thicker skin, but maybe need to find the funny in the punchline. i just didn't get what was so funny about the different possible titles...the list, just like that part of the segment seems endless.

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01-03-2005, 06:30 PM

That was the other thing I was going to mention. They mentioned Don and Mike. Are D&M bigger than I thought?

There isn't much funny in the punchline. So don't hurt yourself looking for real comedy. I'm comparing that segment to what I've heard on Stern over the past couple years.

I can't wait for R&F to be able to say "Taint" in 2006.

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01-03-2005, 07:00 PM

They used to play music when they started on WNEW just to take a break.
No, they used to be a music show and would talk between songs. Slowly they talked more and played less songs.

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01-04-2005, 03:35 AM

yeah today they were playing commericals for that sex video... i thought it was a joke at first but it was real. I thought the whole point of paying for XM was that you didn't get any commercials.

And during their second "forced" break they didn't play any sponsored commercials, just O&A promos, XM Promos and a ski report (Why the Fuck do they have this and sports news on 202? Don't they have other channels for this shit?)

I don't mind them playing O&A bumpers, Music, even XM promos (promoting XM products) while they take a break when they want/need to. But XM is a pay service and 202 is a premium so there should not be any commercials, as they advertised. Well at least they used to:

Remember when XM became 100% commercial-free? They dropped that and are back to promoting the number of Commercial-Free Channels (68 as of today)

whats the big deal about paying the $2 premium channel.

$2 isn't a big deal, but it is putting up an obstacle in the way of people just stumbling on O&A and becoming fans. They should just have all the channels available (There must be parental controls if people are afraid kids will hear the word "Taint" so that isn't a good excuse for the $2 fee. There are other non-premuim channels with Explicit Language)

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01-04-2005, 04:40 AM

i'm not sure i need a thicker skin, but maybe need to find the funny in the punchline.

I was talking about some of the folks who were really upset or angry, not necessarily

That was the other thing I was going to mention. They mentioned Don and Mike. Are D&M bigger than I thought?

More than likely.

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01-04-2005, 02:47 PM

When Leah Remeny was on Craig Kilborn a few years back and mentioned being third mic on their show at the time, the crowd broke into cheers and applause at the mention of Don and Mike's name.
Despite what Don and Mike's sub-par syndication indicates, in terms of big cities on big fm stations, they are legitimately reaching a sizeable audience nationwide.
For some reason their reach and true popularity have always seemed to be downplayed by both themselves and the media.
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01-04-2005, 02:54 PM

Let's not forget the way O&A ran them out of town when they were on NEW. A vendetta I still quite don't understand. A lot of the die-hard army members took this personally, and absolutly loathe D&M. Around these parts (NY metro) they are shit.

I used to listen to them from time to time. I didn't LOVE them, but they were not as bad as they were made out to be. Sometimes I enjoyed listening.

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01-04-2005, 05:20 PM

...maybe i don't get the much funnier joke behind the Indian voice. Howard said they should just team up everyone with Anthony...they start laughing hysterically and go through all the shows with Anthonys name in it. i don't get it, but they all seem to love it.

Anthony and L'il Jimmy seemed to think it was funny. They like Artie Lange, who is too good for that show. (http://members.cox.net/nicksporsche/Ant%20on%20Hoohoo%201-4-2005.mp3)

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01-04-2005, 05:55 PM

For some reason their reach and true popularity have always seemed to be downplayed by both themselves and the media.

Because they STINK on ice!

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curtoid

01-04-2005, 07:42 PM

Let's not forget the way O&A ran them out of town when they were on NEW. A vendetta I still quite don't understand. A lot of the die-hard army members took this personally, and absolutly loathe D&M. Around these parts (NY metro) they are shit.

Don and Mike ran themselves out of New York with underperforming.

And yet, just like with O&A fans in DC, there are/were D&M fans in NY. Even after they were bounced from WNEW, some of their most rabid fans were/are NYers.

Not everyone has to like every show - not everyone has to have only one or two shows that they like.

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01-04-2005, 08:34 PM

Reephdweller

01-05-2005, 02:49 AM

I get the feeling something happened behind the scenes with O&A and D&M, but that's just from listening to O&A talking about it. They did start out friendly; I remember when D&M were on 7-11 replay in NY, but they came to NY and were doing their show at he same time O&A were, and they did a little crossover. They sounded friendly on the air, if I remember correctly.

If my memory serves me correctly, D&M's show was added to WNEW prior to O&A being syndicated. But what was happening was that O&A's drive-time show was on during the same time slot that Don and Mike's live show was on. So D&M's show was played on tape delay so no real New York callers could call in live. I think behind the scenes that D&M were trying to get O&A's show bumped to the 7PM shift so their show could be heard live and this ultimately led to friction.

The worst part of it was that R&F got caught in the middle of it all because they were/are friends with both shows, and while they were friends with D&M, they were also broadcasting from WNEW with O&A so a lot of turmoil built up around all this and it led to O&A and D&M going to war. I'm sure there's more behind the scenes, but I think this is what started it.

I do remember when all of the new shows started on WNEW from The Radio Chick, to Don and Mike, to Ron and Fez that O&A were very supportive of all the shows. They appeared on all of the shows initially, or at least Anthony did. Though it wasn't long before there were problems and is was just Ron and Fez and O&A's show that remained friendly.

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walking joint

01-05-2005, 05:16 AM

...maybe i don't get the much funnier joke behind the Indian voice. Howard said they should just team up everyone with Anthony...they start laughing hysterically and go through all the shows with Anthonys name in it. i don't get it, but they all seem to love it.

Anthony and L'il Jimmy seemed to think it was funny. They like Artie Lange, who is too good for that show. (http://members.cox.net/nicksporsche/Ant%20on%20Hoohoo%201-4-2005.mp3)

That doesn't make it any funnier to me. i just did not find it funny

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curtoid

01-05-2005, 05:49 AM

I think behind the scenes that D&M were trying to get O&A's show bumped to the 7PM shift so their show could be heard live and this ultimately led to friction.

Not true - Don was PD for WJFK in Washington and it was ultimately his decison to put O&A on live in Washington, if that meant their show could be live in NY.

Reephdweller

01-05-2005, 05:51 AM

Curtoid, I meant in NY, not DC.

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01-05-2005, 06:10 AM

I think behind the scenes that D&M were trying to get O&A's show bumped to the 7PM shift so their show could be heard live and this ultimately led to friction.

What do you base this on? I'm not saying your wrong, but I heard all of the O&A shows around the time of the "war", and I don't remember this reason being tossed out as a reason.

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Reephdweller

01-05-2005, 06:28 AM

What do you base this on? I'm not saying your wrong, but I heard all of the O&A shows around the time of the "war", and I don't remember this reason being tossed out as a reason.

Mikey, I read it somewhere and I'm searching right now...which is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. But it was either an article or something that someone related to the show had posted on the NYRMB or the radio dentist himself. I do remember though that what it was wasn't speculation but rather as a matter of fact. Though now I'm trying to see if I track it down. If I can, I will post it. If I'm wrong, then I'll admit it.

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walking joint

01-05-2005, 06:32 AM

i also thought that was part of the problem they had. i know some of it was about the shows hours. something like they wanted to be live from 3-7 in NY and they were pushing for O&A to move to the morning slot.

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JPMNICK

01-05-2005, 06:44 AM

Curtoid, while Don was the "PD" of the station, don't you think the decision to move their show time slot came from Ken Stevens or a little bit higher up. I 100% doubt it was from Don. There was way to much going on in the Infinity stations to leave that decision up to him.

If memory serves me correctly, O&A had mentioned a bunch of time through their fighting that D&M were pissed because they were passed up by the company. I doubt Don would willingly give up his time slot to them.

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01-05-2005, 06:48 AM

I doubt Don would willingly give up his time slot to them.

Well there was a trade off -- they would be able to broadcast live in NY if they switched time slots.

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Doctor Manhattan

01-05-2005, 07:00 AM

That doesn't make it any funnier to me. i just did not find it funny

That's cool. I just saw an excuse to post yet another clip from the show. I don't think Opie found it funny either. But he did like the informercial for their show.

They even took a caller who said he got XM for christmas and had no idea O&A were on it until Howard mentioned it.

This is EXACTLY why they need to drop this $2 premium fee for "High Voltage"

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01-05-2005, 07:15 AM

they may have said why, but i didn't hear....how come they can play clips of Howards show, but can't play clips of their own show from the WNEW days?

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01-05-2005, 07:37 AM

Don and Mike could have absolutely stood their ground, and kept their cushy 3-7 timeslot ini DC where they had been number 1 for years. Despite the way it was spun, they had that clout. However (as Mikeboy said) they knew that if they wanted to ever be on in New York, or Philly, they would have to give up something in return to make it work.

Reephdweller

01-05-2005, 09:04 AM

how come they can play clips of Howards show, but can't play clips of their own show from the WNEW days?

Actually, I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but they've played at least 2 clips from their WNEW days in the past few days. Last week they played Stephen Lynch singing Lullaby in studio from their WNEW show. Then yesterday they played the Bernie Goetz squirrel bit for Bernie when he was in studio with them doing his guest DJ work. So either they're breaking the rules or their is something brewing of an agreement between them and Infinity.

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04-24-2006, 03:50 PM

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JPMNICK

04-24-2006, 03:55 PM

It's funny that I wrote that earlier, because today I am trashing the hell out of this decision. I think i am pissed about the dual broadcast as well as R&F being moved. I was all for it when I thought they would just do an XM show which would be edited and then broadcast on FM. In reality, looking back, I do not think Opie really believes in Satellite. I think he always wanted that Morning Drive slot in NYC. I think he needs to take down Howard at all costs, and as soon as Howard announced he was coming to Sirius Opie was planning how he was going to get back on regular radio in Howards Spots (i.e. citadel deal)

Reephdweller

04-24-2006, 04:10 PM

Actually, I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but they've played at least 2 clips from their WNEW days in the past few days. Last week they played Stephen Lynch singing Lullaby in studio from their WNEW show. Then yesterday they played the Bernie Goetz squirrel bit for Bernie when he was in studio with them doing his guest DJ work. So either they're breaking the rules or their is something brewing of an agreement between them and Infinity. Damn, I really do have a good sense of things if I don't say so myself.Oh wait, I just did!