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Hmm. There was another person in that original photo. Who was the guy in whose place Bush is sitting? I'm drawing a blank here, but millions of dead Russians are trying to remind me.



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the body count in iraq is growing everyday. americans and especially innocent iraqis and no end in sight.

iraq will soon be approaching a half trillion dollars and the cities are in ruins.

haven't seen any improvement in employment or wages and still see the continued depletion of medical coverage for americans


in reality, what has been so great an accomplishment?



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[Recyclerz]

in reality, what has been so great an accomplishment?


Getting 51% of the voting citizens in this country to think he's done a great job?

Seems quite the feat to me. :(



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BTW, it's PERSON of the year now, you male chauvinist pigs.



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[keithy_19]

Like him or not, he won the most prestigious (and important) position in the world. I think he gets it for that.

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1931: Pierre Laval
1932: Franklin Delano Roosevelt
1933: Hugh Johnson
1934: Franklin Delano Roosevelt (2nd time)
1935: Haile Selassie
1936: Wallis Simpson
1937: Chiang Kai-Shek and Soong May-ling
1938: Adolf Hitler
1939: Joseph Stalin
1940: Winston Churchill
1941: Franklin Delano Roosevelt (3rd time)
1942: Joseph Stalin (2nd time)
1943: George Marshall
1944: Dwight Eisenhower
1945: Harry Truman
1946: James F. Byrnes
1947: George Marshall (2nd time)
1948: Harry Truman (2nd time)
1949: Winston Churchill (2nd time)
1950: The American Fighting-Man
1951: Mohammed Mossadegh
1952: Queen Elizabeth II
1953: Konrad Adenauer
1954: John Dulles
1955: Harlow Curtice
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1957: Nikita Khrushchev
1958: Charles De Gaulle
1959: Dwight Eisenhower (2nd time)
1960: U.S. scientists
1961: John F. Kennedy
1962: Pope John XXIII
1963: Martin Luther King Jr.
1964: Lyndon Johnson
1965: William Westmoreland
1966: Twenty-Five and Under
1967: Lyndon Johnson (2nd time)
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1969: The Middle Americans
1970: Willy Brandt
1971: Richard Nixon
1972: Richard Nixon (2nd time) and Henry Kissinger
1973: John Sirica
1974: King Faisal
1975: American Women
1976: Jimmy Carter
1977: Anwar Sadat
1978: Deng Xiaoping
1979: Ayatollah Khomeini
1980: Ronald Reagan
1981: Lech Walesa
1982: The Computer
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1986: Corazon Aquino
1987: Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev
1988: Endangered Earth ("Planet of the Year")
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1990: George H. W. Bush
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1992: Bill Clinton
1993: Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk, Yasser Arafat, and Yitzhak Rabin
1994: Pope John Paul II
1995: Newt Gingrich
1996: David Ho
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1998: Bill Clinton (2nd time) and Kenneth Starr
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2000: George W. Bush
2001: Rudolph Giuliani
2002: The whistleblowers: Cynthia Cooper of Worldcom, Sherron Watkins of Enron, and Coleen Rowley of the FBI
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2004: George W. Bush (2nd time)

In 2001, Time wanted to name Osama bin Laden Person of the Year, but they pussied out and chose the less deserving Rudy.

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Like him or not, he won the most prestigious (and important) position in the world. I think he gets it for that.



So every four years it should go to the President who is elected?

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Makes sense to me as Bush, either as a subject of praise or scorn, has been a focus this year. Unfortunately, I can only assume he'll understand this award as another "mandate."

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[furie]

in reality, what has been so great an accomplishment?




I'm surprised at you Funk, I thought you would know that has nothing to do with it. It's the person who has affected the world the most that year. good or bad, the world is feeling the effect of W.


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So every four years it should go to the President who is elected?


Unless it's the same year someone finds the cure for AIDS, it works for me.

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let's not forget the distinguished company he's in though....

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[Reephdweller]

In 2001, Time wanted to name Osama bin Laden Person of the Year, but they pussied out and chose the less deserving Rudy.


I'm not going to get into a political arguement over this, however why is it considered to be "pussy" to give it to a Rudy Guiliani? I'm not saying it was the best choice, however I can understand the reasoning for it. If you have one man who is responsible for something that brought sheer terror to a city and the country, and another man in that city who helped to bring calm and order to a city that would have been in total chaos, than in my opinion it is also extraordinary as well. I'm not sure how many other people in the mayor's position would have reacted, however they way he conducted himself and kept people calm I think spoke more to the people in NY and around the country than even the president ever did.

All I'm saying however is, that while I can understand how Osama could've gotten the cover, it could have also been given to Rudy for doing something unique as well, even if it was a result of something Osama did.

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Lets not forget Time's person of the year DOES NOT neccessarily mean the person who's done the best, most wonderful things for humanity.(Gahndi, Lech Walesa, Pope John Paul/ Hitler, Stalin, Ayatollah Kohmehni) Its the person who had the most IMPACT on events, for better or worse. Folks on the Left are screaming the impact will be huge, and bad. On the Right, they'll tell you the world will be better off in the long run.
Bush is a good chioce.

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let's not forget the distinguished company he's in though....



If you disagree with W being man of the year thats ok, but enough with comparing him to Hitler, its idiotic and getting way too old.

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If you disagree with W being man of the year thats ok, but enough with comparing him to Hitler, its idiotic and getting way too old.


He's merely saying that Hitler was also Time's "Person of the Year"

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So every four years it should go to the President who is elected?





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1976: Jimmy Carter
1980: Ronald Reagan
1983: Ronald Reagan (2nd time) and Yuri Andropov
1990: George H. W. Bush
1992: Bill Clinton
1998: Bill Clinton (2nd time) and Kenneth Starr
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So every four years it should go to the President who is elected?





1972: Richard Nixon (2nd time) and Henry Kissinger
1976: Jimmy Carter
1980: Ronald Reagan
1983: Ronald Reagan (2nd time) and Yuri Andropov
1990: George H. W. Bush
1992: Bill Clinton
1998: Bill Clinton (2nd time) and Kenneth Starr
2000: George W. Bush
2004: George W. Bush (2nd time)




I stand corrected.

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They did break a trend, though. No second person with a second time.

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[TheMojoPin]

I'm not going to get into a political arguement over this, however why is it considered to be "pussy" to give it to a Rudy Guiliani?

Because it's supposed to go to the person who was most influential and basically most shaped the world in that year.

Who did that in 2001, Osama or Rudy?

Here's a hint...without the first, the second wouldn't have even been in the running.

Hence why Hitler got it. Heck, Hitler probably shoulda gotten it for almost a decade straight.

Bush, for better or for worse, has been by far the main mover and shaker in world affairs in the last year because of the Iraq war, election or not.

But giving it to someone JUST because they won the election? That's asinine.

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[Doogie]

Lets not forget Time's person of the year DOES NOT neccessarily mean the person who's done the best, most wonderful things for humanity.(Gahndi, Lech Walesa, Pope John Paul/ Hitler, Stalin, Ayatollah Kohmehni) Its the person who had the most IMPACT on events, for better or worse


Exactamundo, and lets not forget that Bush also won, unfortunatly, a majority of the popular vote. Something that not even William Jefferson didnt do. The man was the story of the year this year. It just would have of been nice to see a story about his shipping his stuff out of the White House, but hey, beggers cant be choosers.

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[Reephdweller]

Because it's supposed to go to the person who was most influential and basically most shaped the world in that year.

Who did that in 2001, Osama or Rudy?


Correct, though which had a bigger impact, Osama knocking down two buildings killing over 3000 people and causing panic. Or the people who reacted and calmed a city and nation? I'm not saying you're wrong. However I think the way people react to catastrophe is just as important as the people who do it?

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Correct, though which had a bigger impact, Osama knocking down two buildings killing over 3000 people and causing panic. Or the people who reacted and calmed a city and nation? I'm not saying you're wrong. However I think the way people react to catastrophe is just as important as the people who do it?

The reaction to the event is important. But Osama did more to change a lot of people's lives very directly. He also got a lot of the world directly behind the USA in the following weeks (Much like W has done the reverse of since he attacked Iraq)

Rudy did a great job and I don't think I'm taking anything away from him by saying Osama had more of an effect that we are still feeling today.


Rudy's actions in 2001 had a huge reaction to his public image. I know he was strongly hated by lots of New Yorkers before 9/11 (I remember all the "Fuck Guiliani" T-shirts)


I wouldn't say they "pussied out" I think they knew most people were too dumb to understand that it's not always a positive thing to be Time's "Man of the Year" It's not People's Sexist Man Alive.

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[Reephdweller]

Well, in no way was I suggesting that Osama didn't deserve the cover. My point was only that I can understand why Rudy got it and I was giving some rationale behind it. If Osama and Rudy were both on the cover it would have been just a valid to do. I'm not suggesting that Osama didn't have a huge impact on our world, he does to this day and for many years to come. However the suggestion that it was pussying out is what got me.

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If you disagree with W being man of the year thats ok, but enough with comparing him to Hitler, its idiotic and getting way too old.


He's merely saying that Hitler was also Time's "Person of the Year"

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I dont think he was comparing W to Hitler, just showing that Hitler also got the MOTY award.

I'd compare W more to a cabbage patch doll

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Because it's supposed to go to the person who was most influential and basically most shaped the world in that year.

Who did that in 2001, Osama or Rudy?


Correct, though which had a bigger impact, Osama knocking down two buildings killing over 3000 people and causing panic. Or the people who reacted and calmed a city and nation? I'm not saying you're wrong. However I think the way people react to catastrophe is just as important as the people who do it?

But they wouldn't be reacting to said catastrophe if the person responsible for said catastrophe hadn't orchestrated said catastrophe in the first place.

The issue isn't whether Rudy did a good job or not. The cover goes to the most influential person of the year. An example of Osama's influence in 2001 was the fact that Rudy had to REACT to what Osama had done.

And it was pretty much "pussying" out by putting Rudy on the cover. It was leaked that Osama was the likely choice, and the pundits got up in arms and "concerned groups" started writing nasty letters, and Time basically caved in to, well, pussies. Pussies that don't understand how anything works. Which in term made Time a giant pussy. It was really, REALLY pathetic.

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[Reephdweller]

But they wouldn't be reacting to said catastrophe if the person responsible for said catastrophe hadn't orchestrated said catastrophe in the first place.

And it was pretty much "pussying" out by putting Rudy on the cover. It was leaked that Osama was the likely choice, and the pundits got up in arms and "concerned groups" started writing nasty letters, and Time basically caved in to, well, pussies. Pussies that don't understand how anything works. Which in term made Time a giant pussy. It was really, REALLY pathetic.


Wouldn't that mean though that the people spoke. Which in turn shows the greater impact that Rudy's actions had. I mean conversely people could have complained the other way as well, though they didn't. Granted no one is gonna stand up and defend Osama, but ...eh forget it. I don't even know why I'm arguing. It was over 3 years ago for a pathetic magazine that I don't even read. You win.

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Wouldn't that mean though that the people spoke.


Not necessarily. As all of the FCC problems show, sometimes it's a very tiny vocal minority that can cause change with their complaints.

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[HBox]

In 1998 Clinton got this as a Christmas present for being man of the year

And it must kill you that, despite that, he's still more popular the Reagan.



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[TheMojoPin]

But they wouldn't be reacting to said catastrophe if the person responsible for said catastrophe hadn't orchestrated said catastrophe in the first place.

And it was pretty much "pussying" out by putting Rudy on the cover. It was leaked that Osama was the likely choice, and the pundits got up in arms and "concerned groups" started writing nasty letters, and Time basically caved in to, well, pussies. Pussies that don't understand how anything works. Which in term made Time a giant pussy. It was really, REALLY pathetic.


Wouldn't that mean though that the people spoke. Which in turn shows the greater impact that Rudy's actions had. I mean conversely people could have complained the other way as well, though they didn't. Granted no one is gonna stand up and defend Osama, but ...eh forget it. I don't even know why I'm arguing. It was over 3 years ago for a pathetic magazine that I don't even read. You win.

That's the thing.

They just complained about Osama.

It was Time that fell back on Rudy all by themselves.

What does the "people speaking" have to do with whether or not someone was ACTUALLY the most influential and important person of the year? It's not an election. There's no vote. The people "speaking" just said they didin't like Osama. They didn't actually show how he WASN'T the most important/influential person of 2001.

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[Reephdweller]

Not necessarily. As all of the FCC problems show, sometimes it's a very tiny vocal minority that can cause change with their complaints.


Mikey I agree with you completely, however this is the problem. I think people who support Howard Stern or Opie and Anthony or anything on television that groups like the PTC (http://www.parentstv.org/) regard as offensive need to speak up and be heard. If people want to make a change or have a voice they need to speak up. Whether it be voicing against those trying to get Rudy on the cover, or to defend entertainers who are gagged from broadcasting.

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In 1998 Clinton got this as a Christmas present for being man of the year

And it must kill you that, despite that, he's still more popular the Reagan



Yea hes more popular in the blue states

[HBox]

Yea hes more popular in the blue states

Actually he left office with higher approval ratings than Reagan.



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[FUNKMAN]

Yea hes more popular in the blue states


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It doesn't have anything to do with how "great" anyone, it has to do with how influential they are. They were thinking of making bin Laden the 2001 man of the year, but all hell would break loose if that actually happened.

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I think it would have made more sense to have given to to the following collective: Karl Rove, Ed Gillespie, Fred Phelps, Robert Novak, David D. Smith, Max Boot, Rupert Murdock, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, Ralph Reed, Michael Powell, Tom Hicks, L. Lowry Mays, Brit Hume, Janet Jackson's right titty and (of course) Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter.

Or maybe the 17,000 Iraqi civilians or 1300 American military men and women who have died because, somehow, Iraq finds itself on top of our oil.