Giambi used steroids

[HBox]

Just go to ESPN.com and take a look. (Although I guess by sometime tomorrow the home page will change.) (http://espn.com)

Here's the article. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1936592)

I thought they'd nail Bonds first.

Well, this is a perfect cap to a banner year in Yankee Land.

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This message was edited by HBox on 12-2-04 @ 2:14 AM

[TheGameHHH]

hysterical

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[TheGameHHH]

This isn't last year. Last year it was speculation, today it's fact.

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[ChickenHawk]

To any SANE person with half-a-brain, it's BEEN a fact for years that Giambi did steroids.
Now it's just come out of his mouth.

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[TheGameHHH]

Absolutly, you're 100% correct......but it was still only speculation. Without definitive evidence there was no way ANYBODY could prove he used them. Now we can, therefore now it's fact.

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Screw the Giambi's!!!



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[Heavy]

The story is that he admitted it, not that he did it. Welcome to a few hours ago.

All I know is that Giambis career is over. His skills blow now, and this just caps it all off. I'm sure George will toss him a % of whats owed to him aslong as he forfiets the rest of whatevers left.

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[El Mudo]

The league needs to set an example whenever the integrity of the Game is threatened like this...

Ban him...

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[Iamnotatool]

As much as I hate the Yankees, George should have every right to void this pin cushions contract.

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[BoondockSaint]

Wasn't it still legal to take steroids in baseball in 2003? It would be great if the Yankees can't void the contract and they are stuck with a $20 million a year back up first basemen for 4 more years because there is no way they can trade him now. And if we all saw how obvious it was that Giambi was juicing, so did Steinbrenner. So why should he be able to get out of the contract?

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[fluffernutter]

I can't WAIT for Bonds to admit he was using too. Great hitter yes he is but there had berttewr be a BIG asterisk next to his name when he breaks the record.


Hopefully, this will lead to hearing Anthony's Steinbrenner impression.


I thought that was Larry David who did Steinbrenner's voice.

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[Teenweek]

When Bonds does admit (forced or voluntary) he took steroids, his name should be removed from all record books and Bonds should not go to the Hall of Fame as well (ala Pete Rose or Shoeless Joe jackson).

I hate Giambi's guts and I am a huge Yankee fan. I hope Steinbrenner can sue him for money back in the contract.

[mdr55]

So what is George Bush going to do about this? I seem to vaguely rememeber he mentioned the issue of steroids in his 1st acceptance speech.

[newport king]

I'm sure George will toss him a % of whats owed to him aslong as he forfiets the rest of whatevers left.

good luck getting that one past the players association.

as far as i'm concerned maris still holds the single season record and aaron will old the all time record till someone clean breaks it. i hope when bonds breaks it hank won't even aknowledge it happened. it'll be a shame to see such a record broken by a cheater.

And bonds strikes me as the type of guy that will deny it till he goes to his grave. only when conti names names on 20/20 will he be outed. but again he'll just deny it.

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[keithy_19]

No way! I am so totally, completely, amazingly, SURPRISED!

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[TheGameHHH]

I have a question about that single season home run record......OK, we all know Bonds used roids, one day it will come out. So when that day comes, does his record get wiped away? And if it does, what does the record go back to? It's also quite obvious McGuire juiced so his record is as illegal as Bonds', the same can be said for Sosa. Does the single season record revert all the way back to Maris?

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[furie]

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[newport king]

HHH thats what i consider to be the single season record. mcgwire was using a substance that was banned EVERYWHERE except MLB.

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[BoondockSaint]

Just now on Mike and the Mad Dog thay said Giambi "took the testosterone in the ass." Funny, I figured A-Rod for that.

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[HBox]

Giambi's contract may be voided. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=1936931)

We all pretty much knew Giambi took steroids, just like Bonds, but him admitting it is a huge story. I hope the Yankees can get out of his contract.

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This message was edited by HBox on 12-2-04 @ 4:49 PM

[BoondockSaint]

If it comes out that Sheffield took steroids would you want the Yankee's to get rid of him, too?

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[HBox]

No, but if Sheffield stunk up the joint for two years and completely fucked up his body and was shell of his former self then I'd say get rid of him. And Sheffield already admitted he took steroids, anyway.

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[BoondockSaint]

No,Sheffield said he took it for a few weeks and didn't know it was steroids. Who know's what he said in front of the grand jury. So you don't care if players on you team cheat, as long as they produce?

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[HBox]

So you don't care if players on you team cheat, as long as they produce?

That's right. I don't know what team you like, but if you think there's not someone using illegal performance enhancers on it, you're incredibly naive. I just wish there was a real testing and punishment program to take care of this stuff. There are plenty of people who are doing this and not getting caught.

No,Sheffield said he took it for a few weeks and didn't know it was steroids.

I don't believe that. But whether he knew he was or not is irrelevant; he took steroids.

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This message was edited by HBox on 12-2-04 @ 5:18 PM

[DJEvelEd]

What's the big fuckin deal? I take Testosterone injections in my ass every Friday. Then I take Chorionic Gonadotropin twice a week in my stomach. I got a script. Can't these fuckers get a motherfuckin script? I find that hard to believe.

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[BoondockSaint]

That's right. I don't know what team you like, but if you think there's not someone using illegal performance enhancers on it, you're incredibly naive. I just wish there was a real testing and punishment program to take care of this stuff. There are plenty of people who are doing this and not getting caught.


I root for the Mets. If it came out tomorrow that Piazza was using steroids all these years I'd be surprised becase he's never been mentioned before but I wouldn't be shocked. I would be pissed though and want him off my team. If it came out that David Wright tested positive I'd be pissed.

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[HBox]

If it came out that David Wright tested positive I'd be pissed

There you go.

Old guy, productive in the past, breaking down, took steroids: pissed and want him off the team.

Young guy, promising, bright future, took steroids: pissed.

Just about my position.

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[BoondockSaint]

No by pissed I mean suspened a year or two and tested everyday the rest of his career.

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[FUNKMAN]

didn't read all the replies (too lazy)

ban his record from baseball history along with Bonds's, Sosa's, and McGwire's


and throw in Arnold Shwarz too


that Bonds's is pretty wierd when you say it no?

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[WindowSill]

Its really a disgrace to the game. This guy should have that MVP award he won in Oakland taken away, all the homeruns...and quite frankly I believe he should be completely barred for life...Pete Rose was and in my opinion, for much less.
Same goes for Bonds. If it does come out that he took roids, and personally I dont think that it will, I think that he should not only have all his records and MVPs taken away, but he too would deserve to be banned.


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I also enjoyed the part of the story which said that it was Bonds' personal trainer that provided Giambi with the steroids.


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[Bulldogcakes]

What's this I hear about Giambi being gay? I just turned on the radio and they said he was getting testosterone injected in his ass!

[Bulldogcakes]

[quote]as far as i'm concerned maris still holds the single season record and aaron will old the all time record till someone clean breaks it.

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Not to start an old argument, but I still consider Ruth to be the single season leader, he did it in 154 games

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[Bulldogcakes]

Get rid of Giambi, void his deal, sounds great. Almost impossible. The Players Association has fought and won cases for 7-time cokeheads (not that it makes you a bad person) like Steve Howe. The Union will never admit it, but I think they believe steriods are good for their interests. Their job is to get as much $ as possible for the players. The biggest Riod heads are Bonds, Sosa, Giambi. 19, 17, 16 mil. Among the very top paid in all of baseball. They believe the top salaries raise the market for all players. They will fight this tooth and nail.

[HBox]

ESPN interviews Victor Conte, the guy behind BALCO, and he reveals some of what he knows. (http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=1937491)

# He personally gave "The Clear," an undetectable steroid, to Bonds' trainer.

# He watched Marion Jones inject human growth hormone in 2001. Conte says he ended his relationship with Jones because she was careless about taking the drugs, and twice left her growth hormone behind in hotel rooms.

# His first steroid client was former NFL linebacker Bill Romanowski.

# Olympic drug testers are so ill-equipped to detect sophisticated steroids, they gave Tim Montgomery a clean bill of health while he was on an elaborate cocktail of insulin, growth hormone and "The Clear."

# He has personally seen a client's positive drug test at the Olympic track and field trials get covered up.

# By the time he helped Kelli White win the woman's 100- and 200-meter world championships in 2003, he was using a secret new drug that contained thyroid hormones.

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[JPMNICK]

here is the main problem. these guys are makign some serious money off developing new kinds of steroids that are undectable.

Now, the testing companies are not putting in as much time and money, and even if they were, this shit is a crazy chemical formula that would be so hard to detect.

Its unfortunate that this should taint the game like this, but i think we all must accept it now as a part of professional, college, and high school sports. athletes of all levels are doing it. it is not age, race, or even gender specific. it is just a shame.


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[CruelCircus]

HHH thats what i consider to be the single season record. mcgwire was using a substance that was banned EVERYWHERE except MLB.
Which is entirely irrelevant, since the only place he was actually playing WAS Major League Baseball.


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[Heavy]

Get off the McGwire kick folks. He took some shit that was legal for use in this country and legal to use in baseball. It was new and it wasnt roids. Get over it.

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

It's official. Bary Bonds admits. check it here (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/). Of course, he said he didn't know. . .

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[Iamnotatool]

Only thing I have to say to Bonds's'ss's's

Liar liar, pants on fire.

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[JPMNICK]

Bonds is a lying scumbag. I do not like him at all and I am very upset he holds any records.

but this is as much ML baseballs fault as it is the players. if there is no testing in place and you know you can get away with it, why wouldn't you. more money in your pocket.

If there was no DUI laws, many more people would drink and drive. when you know you can get away with it.

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[TheGameHHH]

Wadd, if you honestly believe that McGuire did not take roids you have to be the most naive man I've ever come across. You do know it's possible to take roids and andro. Just because he took andro in 98 doesn't mean he wasn't juicing years prior.

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[keithy_19]

I really don't like bonds.

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[Crippler]

Is it wrong that while I'm extremely pissed at Giambi, I want Bonds to somehow get the death penalty for this?

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[Teenweek]

Not at all. Giambi although his skills and body are shot, seems like a genuine nice guy and seems like the only person who told the absolute truth on the stand.

Bonds I hope goes to prison for perjury for lying to the grand jury. ESPN ran a poll today and 92% of the people who voted said Bonds was lying. I actually thought it was a little low. Bonds broke and is about to break the 2 most sacred records in baseball history, single season and all time home run record.

[DJEvelEd]

You're ALL crazy!!!! If you all really loved baseball, you would have stopped caring after the last (lastlast) strike. Baseball is not the game I grew up loving anymore. I gave up on these overpaid assholes years ago. The game has been bastardized and ruined. Let it go people. It's over. Let it go.



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[Se7en]

I've seen some very intense anger directed towards Giambi over the course of the last couple days (not necessarily here, but elsewhere on the web), and I just don't understand it.

Maybe it's cause I don't give a shit about baseball.

Or maybe it's because of this:

That's right. I don't know what team you like, but if you think there's not someone using illegal performance enhancers on it, you're incredibly naive. I just wish there was a real testing and punishment program to take care of this stuff. There are plenty of people who are doing this and not getting caught.

I can't tell you the exact number of players in MLB who use 'roids or some other enhancement substance, but I have to figure it's the majority. A rather LARGE majority. If you told me the number was something like 75%, I would believe you in a heartbeat.

Which is why I guess I don't know what the big fucking deal is. Should anyone be surprised by this? The way I view baseball in its current state is that it's a game played by overpaid assholes who will never truly live up to the greats like Babe Ruth or Hank Aaron because most of them are where they are today by taking some shit - legal or not - that wasn't around when Babe or Aaron were setting their records. The way I feel, at least Giambi actually copped to doing it, which puts him slightly above the other assholes who're still lying about it, at least in my book.

And do we even really care, though, that he juiced himself up? Maybe NOW, because he can't produce anymore. People only care about Bonds because he's a major league asshole, no pun intended, and people enjoy seeing him humiliated simply for the karmic value. It's all a show, really, this caring about whether they're 'cheating' or not, because regretably our culture is more focused upon results rather than whether the process of achieving those results is entirely fair and equitable.

I just have to laugh when I see a guy like Bob Costas talking about how this is a 'disgrace to American's national pasttime.' Yeah, maybe if the game was worth a damn anymore. But that ended a LONG time ago.

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[torker]

Giambi although his skills and body are shot, seems like a genuine nice guy and seems like the only person who told the absolute truth on the stand.


I don't know why, but I kind of feel sorry for the guy. This shit was confidential. So what if he lied to the press, under oath he speaka da truth.

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[Bulldogcakes]

I cant imagine we'll ever see Giambi in a Yankee uniform again.
He wouldn't last through spring training.
The abuse from the fans and the press would be impossible
Which leads me to my next question
WHO THE FUCK IS OUR FIRST BASEMAN NEXT YEAR?

[TheGameHHH]

where's schmegma? i wanna know how he feels about his golden boy?

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Giambi is the fall guy for this scandal. As a Yankee fan im pissed that he disgraced himself and the Yankees but you gotta admit he didnt continue to hide it like Bonds did.

When that douchebag Bonds comes closer to 756 HR. You bet your ass ESPN will be covering it like flies on horse shit.

Why isnt there a bigger with hunt against Bonds? So Fucking 1 sided

[DarkHippie]

I feel bad for Giambi because somebody fucked him over. He admitted all this in sealed grand jury testimony that was never supposed to be released to the public. Whoever leaked this broke a Federal law and damaged the integrty of our courts for a quick media pay day

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[BoondockSaint]

I don't feel sorry for Giambi. He did it. I agree that Bonds and Sheffield and everyone else doing it should be just hit just as hard but it's not like he's being falsely accused. I feel bad for the guys who are playing clean and are now going to be lumped in with the cheaters.

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[Bulldogcakes]

[quote]Wasn't it still legal to take steroids in baseball in 2003?
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What difference would that make? They are illegal in the entire country.
A controlled substance. Baseball could say tomorrow you can sell crack
to 2 year olds. It would still be illegal in the USA.

[Bulldogcakes]

I say make seperate league for the juicers. An All Steriod League.
This way its not unfair to the guys who play clean. Call the league A-Ball
(A as in Adrostenedione) Make the fences 500 feet away.
It'll look like the WWF with bats and gloves. Anyone who goes into roid rage
and kills another player, his team automatically wins the game.
As the movie said give them a "League Of their Own"

[DJEvelEd]

They are illegal in the entire country.


I have a prescription so it's not illegal.

Now if only Gov. Codey would pass that medical marijuana bill, I'd be all good...

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[Bulldogcakes]

[quote] I have a prescription so it's not illegal

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Steriods are legal by presciption only. The legal doses are way less than these guys are using. The stuff these guys are using is only legal if given to horses!

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[DarkHippie]

Question: If a ballplayer has a prescription for steroids (say for asthma), will he automatically be banned? And if not, doesn't that give him a free pass on all steroid tests cause if he fails he can just blame it on his inhaler?

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[Se7en]

Wasn't it still legal to take steroids in baseball in 2003?

What difference would that make?

It may make a difference in that if the substances that Giambi was taking weren't deemed illegal when he took them, then they may not be able to punish him, and - and this is the part I like BEST - the Yankees might still have to pay Giambi's large contract, because technically him using 'roids wouldn't necessarily be a breach if they weren't illegal at the time.

I'd like for the Yankees to be forced to pay him.....I'd be very surprised if they DIDN'T know he was roiding up.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Yankees might still have to pay Giambi's large contract, because technically him using 'roids wouldn't necessarily be a breach if they weren't illegal at the time.

If these aren't illegal, why can't you buy them over the counter (None of these players had prescriptions) and why is the federal gov't prosecuting Balco? Whether Baseball had a sanction against them only affects what Bud Selig can do, and whether a suspension will hold up in (civil) court.

I'd like for the Yankees to be forced to pay him.....I'd be very surprised if they DIDN'T know he was roiding up.

There are lots of rumors about lots of players. If a club were to only sign players without any rumors it would be an empty clubhouse. KNOWING he did it is another thing.

The Yankees actually cant act just yet, they have to wait for the Giambi testimony to come up during the Balco trail (which it will) when it becomes a matter of public record. A Newspaper story isn't enough for what they want to do. I'd be shocked to see Giambi in a yankee uniform on opening day. I'd be surprised to see him on any roster, even spring training. I expect the team to claim he signed the contract on a fraudulent basis, and try to recover the ENTIRE contract. Giambi/MLP Union will contest this in court, and eventually I'd expect it to be settled with some sort of buyout of the Giambi deal. He would then become a free agent. All of this is seperate from what Bud Selig will do, and he may well suspend all three (Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield) Again, whether those suspensions hold up in court is another matter

Ow! Hey! Get that net offa me! Ouch! Help!! Somebody HELP!!!!

[Hack89]

MLB will announce their new steroid testing plan tomorrow. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1965565)

I still dont think it will be enough, but its a start...

[Hack89]

Oh yes, and Giambi will be playing this season. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1965258)

Jesus, whats a guy gotta do to lose his job nowadays? This guy juices and still keeps his 17 million per contract. Jose Guillen throws his batting helmet at his manager and keeps his contract. Kevin Brown punches a wall and breaks his hand, and keeps his 15 million per contract. The players association blows.

[FUNKMAN]

The players association blows


when all is said and done it is ultimately the fans fault. they pay for it all

if the fans took a year or two off and didn't go to or watch a game, or buy any MLB merchandise, i guarantee you the price of a ticket and a hot dog would come down and the salaries for players and owners alike

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[Hack89]

There arent enough fans that care enough though. You have to remember that most baseball fans are what they call 'fair weather'. They dont care about the game. They dont much care about its history. They just want to go to the ballpark and see these beefed up guys his 500 footers out of the park. As bad as this is for the game, its what the majority of the fans really want.

[FUNKMAN]

There arent enough fans that care enough though


i'd be curious to see what % of seats are owned by corporations. i bet in some cases corporations would lay a thousand people off before they'd give up their skybox or box seats

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