Pharmacists refusing to fill Birth Control Scripts

[angrymissy]

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For a year, Julee Lacey stopped in a CVS pharmacy near her home in a Fort Worth suburb to get refills of her birth-control pills. Then one day last March, the pharmacist refused to fill Lacey's prescription because she did not believe in birth control.

"I was shocked," says Lacey, 33, who was not able to get her prescription until the next day and missed taking one of her pills. "Their job is not to regulate what people take or do. It's just to fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician."

Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island to Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.


Excellent. Just great. Shouldn't a pharmacist have to fill a basic script prescribed to you by your doctor? If they have such "moral" problems with certain medication, maybe they shouldn't become a fucking pharmacist.

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[Crippler]

Wow...now that is frightening. That pharmacist should lose their job for shit like that. There should be no choice to be made by the person behind the counter. That's not a job where you have any say in that kind of situation.

I understand the pharmacist calling the doctor to double check a script or giving the doc a heads-up on drug interaction with another medication maybe the prescribing doc didn't know the patient was taking, but personal opinions based on religious beliefs should NEVER enter the conversation.

My ex took birth control pills for 10+ years to protect her from recurring ovarian cysts. If a pharmacist ever told her she couldn't have her refills because of his/her religious beliefs...pain meds would be in the pharmacist's immediate future.

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[A.J.]

Did the pharmacist offer the customer a coathanger instead?

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[HBox]

I don't want to ignore or belittle the shittiness of this, but what really scares me are the laws being passed to allow pharmacists to do this. Where does it stop? Will we allow pharmacists to not hand out critical medications to sick people because they have moral objections to how the medicine was developed or tested? The people who support those laws have no fucking regard for the consequences.

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[booster11373]

arent repulicans all about getting govt out of your life, except when it comes to sex, speech, entertainment............

[Freakshow]

oddly enough I searched this whole article for the word repulican and didn't find it anwhere. I even searched for Republican and couldn't find that either.


If they have such "moral" problems with certain medication, maybe they shouldn't become a fucking pharmacist.

yes, cause that kind of descrimination is a.o.k.



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[Yerdaddy]

I hope the pharmacist at least pointed out that the mandatory burkas are in the antacid aisle, next to the Witch-B-Gone.

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[Mike Teacher]

I must be the only one who listened to WNEW late at night when theyd play Loveline over and over and over.

This was discussed by Dr. Drew [Pinsky, if ya never knew, I didnt til i bought a book] way back then, and he was pissed as hell about it, and said, yep, its done, and trying to police it is well, try to police every friggin pharmacy.

He was adamant on this, bringing it up several times, especially some Pharma's reaction to anything approaching a morning after pill.

Shit it prolly on one of my old tapes. As Adam would say; Bad Times...

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

I can just imagine the repercussions as a nurse I'd get refusing anyone care for whatever reason. Refusing to fill a prescription (especially like that) is so idiotic it's beyond belief. I don't have the right to deny someone care because I think it's ethically wrong. I think people who got hurt because they were driving drunk deserved what they got for doing something retarded, but that's not going to stop me from helping them get better.

People with deep religious beliefs like that shouldn't get into medicine. They wouldn't believe half the shit they're taught anyway.

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[angrymissy]

yes, cause that kind of descrimination is a.o.k.

???

A Pharmacist's job is to fill my prescription, answer any questions I may have about it, and tell me of any interactions with my medication. Not determine whether or not its is morally acceptable for me to be taking that medication. All I am saying is, if people have such a huge moral objection to certain medications, maybe they shouldn't be working as a Pharmacist, at least at a public Pharmacy. Get a job filling pills for some faith based hospital that agrees with your views.

Besides the fact that BC Pills are used for a multitude of things besides Birth Control.

EDIT: I just thought of a good example of "don't become a pharmacist if you're going to morally object to to certain drugs, blah blah".

When I was unemployed last year, I was scanning the want ads, and there were 3 or 4 well paying jobs at a Catholic Organization in Westchester. My Grandfather happened to be a very well-respected member of this organization, and I most likely could have landed the job no problem. I didn't even bother to apply, even though I was kind of desperate for a job at that point, because I knew I would have a problem with some of their moral issues, policies, etc. and that was to be a freaking Admin Asst, not a Pharmacist who deals with the public and their health.

oddly enough I searched this whole article for the word repulican and didn't find it anwhere. I even searched for Republican and couldn't find that either.


Who do you think is passing the laws allowing these people to deny prescriptions based on moral objection? I sure as hell doubt it's the Democrats.

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[Yerdaddy]

oddly enough I searched this whole article for the word repulican and didn't find it anwhere. I even searched for Republican and couldn't find that either.

Oddly enough I searched this thread and I can't find any mention of republicans until you brought it up.

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[TheMojoPin]

oddly enough I searched this whole article for the word repulican and didn't find it anwhere. I even searched for Republican and couldn't find that either.

Oddly enough I searched this thread and I can't find any mention of republicans until you brought it up.

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That's because booster spelled it "repulicans," silly-Billy.

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[silera]

Pharmacists = Republicans.

Duh.


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[Yerdaddy]

Ah. Damn. Catching spelling errors on messageboards is like looking for hay in a haystack. My bad.

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[booster11373]

Rupublicans certainly foster this sort of climate alot more the the democrats,

[silera]

Single Parents Bad.
Abortion Bad.
Birth Control Bad.
Whores Bad.
Sex bad.

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[HBox]

I call them Repoolicans, HAH HAH! POO!!

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[Freakshow]

Last time I try to be subtle. At least Mojo picked up on it.


Ever occur to anyone these laws were meant to protect people? Ever think cruel, heartless, scrooge-like CVS corporate executives won't want to fire this person because of what amounts to their religious beleifs?

Edit: i'm supposed to be good and not talk about poo. Oh no. (runs out of room)

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[angrymissy]

Ever think cruel, heartless, scrooge-like CVS corporate executive won't want to fire this person because of what amounts to their religous beleifs?

They are not performing their job if they refuse to fill medication that was prescribed to their customer. In a situation where, say, a Muslim needs a certain amount of time to pray a day, it's different, that is not impacting the customer getting their medication. This person not filling a script is pushing their beliefs on their customer. Tough shit for them, they're not performing their job.

Hence, why I do not work at a religious organization.

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[HBox]

Ever occur to anyone these laws were meant to protect people? Ever think cruel, heartless, scrooge-like CVS corporate executive won't want to fire this person because of what amounts to their religous beleifs?

Yeah, executives HATE firing people!

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[Freakshow]

What if this person wasn't Christian? What if they refused to sell something medical because they were Hindu and it was made from animals?

edit: hypothetically, of course

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[angrymissy]

What if this person wasn't Christian? What if they refused to sell something medical because they were Hindu and it was made from animals?

Then why would she become a Pharmacist? She knows her morals are going to be challenged on a day-to-day basis.

It's like a Strict Catholic OB-GYN training to become an abortion doctor and then bitching that she has no work because abortion challenges her morals.

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[silera]

I wonder if the pharmacist also forced the store to remove all the condom displays once she entered the building.


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[grlNIN]

What if this person wasn't Christian? What if they refused to sell something medical because they were Hindu and it was made from animals?

It doesn't matter, they should have to sell it anyway and if they don't like it then maybe they should consider finding another job that doesn't conflict with their morale.

These people have no right whatsoever deciding what is right or wrong for someone else to be putting in their body, ESPECIALLY if it's prescribed by another Doctor.

By withholding the medication, whatever it may be they are potentially putting another persons life at risk. But hey, it's OK! so long as they do not compromise THEIR beliefs!



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[Freakshow]

These people have no right whatsoever deciding what is right or wrong for someone else to be putting in their body.

Hmm. That's an interesting point.

I know next to nothing about Christianity, but I was under the perception that the person selling the pills would believe they themselves would be under some sort of moral violation--in the vein of an accomplice to a crime? Basically saying if I sell this woman these pills I am going to hell?

Am I way off?

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[angrymissy]

Some Catholics do not believe in the birth control pill simply because it prevents contraception by preventing the egg from being fertilized.

Some people I guess might be wary of prescribing birth control pills because they can also be used as a "morning after" pill when taken correctly.

Regardless, those people should not be deciding whether or not they want to fill my prescription that my doctor has deemed acceptable. If it is such a moral problem to them, they can find another line of work where they wont have to compromise their morals.

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[Furtherman]

Basically saying if I sell this woman these pills I am going to hell?


People sell billions of products every day, should they be accountable for their client's useage of that product?

A gunsmith sells a gun. The buyer kills. Is the gunsmith accountable?

If you are in the line of selling prescription drugs, you shouldn't have a "moral" problem. That's why they are prescribed, by a doctor.

If they "moral" issues they should be working at the registers up front. Maybe buy a newspaper and realize it's 2004.

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[FUNKMAN]

Some Catholics do not believe in the birth control pill simply because it prevents contraception by preventing the egg from being fertilized.


that's why priests go for boys, they can't get pregnant

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[Freakshow]

Hey Furtherman--this is a bit of tangent but your gunsmith comment reminded me of that house in California owned by the Winchester Widow. Have you heard about that?

Aparently she thought it was haunted by the ghosts of people killed by her husband's rifles, and the only way to keep them happy was to constantly build onto the house. I think I saw a show about it on the Travel Channel or Discovery or something. Pretty freaky.


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Now if only the police would stop writing tickets for marijuana.
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Freakshow - I have seen that show about the Winchester Widow. Stairways that lead to nowhere, windows and doors with no outlets, hundreds of rooms with no purpose. All to trap the ghosts.

People bought those guns and made a choice. Kill something for dinner or someone for gold. It wasn't her fault, or her husband's. But we did get a nice tourist attraction out of it.

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[torker]

it used to be embarrassing enough going in and buying condoms
i can't imagine going and getting challenged on a prescription
it makes my cunt hurt just thinking about it


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[keithy_19]

What's funny is I got a pop up ad for birth control as I was reading this thread.

I don't see how that can be done. It's like, say I go into the pharmacy and order my copaxone on again(thats not how its done, but for a lack of another way I'll use it) and the pharmacist says that I don't look like I have MS. She doesn't believe I have it, or she says I look fine so it must have went away.

I'm against abortion, but doesn't the pill prevent women fromg etting abortions?


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[IrishAlkey]

It also prevents them from getting AIDS.

It's like tylenol, but better.

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[Iamnotatool]

I thought birth control was a punch in the stomach on or before the 8th month of pregnancy.

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I could kick you in the stomach and catch you unawares.

I could swear to God you accidentally fell that flight of stairs.

When I tell you that I love you, I will look you in the eye... as I slowly slide the hanger up your thigh.

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[Katylina]

Wow-- that's crazy.



who was not able to get her prescription until the next day and missed taking one of her pills.


I wonder why she just didn't go to another pharmacy to get the prescription filled.

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[IrishAlkey]

Because she needed to rush home to have filthy, sinful, sodomizing sex!

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[Iamnotatool]

That was beautiful.

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[Freakshow]

sodomizing sex!

I admit i'm not very knowledgable about this, but does she really need birth control for that?



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Sometimes, I amaze myself.

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[IrishAlkey]

sodomizing sex!

I admit i'm not very knowledgable about this, but does she really need birth control for that?

Silera could fit a baby in her ass so I ain't takin' no chances.

And we're usually so drunk that I fear getting snowballed, then eating out her pussy and, well... I'm sure you took a bio class in college.

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[Freakshow]

When I tell you that I love you, I will look you in the eye... as I slowly slide the hanger up your thigh.


<a href="http://www.christpuncherrecords.com/scheduled_beating/demo/CoatHanger_Abortion.mp3">In the same vein, no pun intended</a>


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[East Side Dave]

Druggists refuse to give out pill

Unlike my grandma... who gives out pills and dildo's every Halloween!! Trick or treat!!

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[Iamnotatool]

And we're usually so drunk that I fear getting snowballed, then eating out her pussy and, well... I'm sure you took a bio class in college.


Yes. Yes I did take a bio class. My bio teacher expertly warned us that if your girl ever, and I mean EVER, comes within 1 foot of your face when she has a mouthful of your semen, you have every right to punch her in the mouth, and/or holding close her nose and mouth, forcing a swallowing.


Snowballing = gay, whether drunk or not, whether intentional or not.

Semen + mouth = girl or gay.

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I don't know what this "snowballing" you guys speak of is, but it sounds fun! Should we wear mittens when snowballing??

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

I don't know what this "snowballing" you guys speak of is, but it sounds fun! Should we wear mittens when snowballing??

That. And maybe a ski mask.

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I take a bit of comedic liberty when authoring these posts, sometimes exaggerating a tad on what has/had occurred, insofar as embelishing the truth in regards to the legitimate snowball to oral sex performed ratio experienced thusly in my lifetime.

I hope that clears shit up.

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[Iamnotatool]

That don't clear up shit.

Just confused me more.

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The defense rests.

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[East Side Dave]

The defense rests.



Is that a strategy in the game of snowballing? I'm still a little confused as to how we play this game, guys!

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The first rule of snowballing is- No Girls Allowed!

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[East Side Dave]

Good! They're such a distraction!! Did you know that they bleed for four or five days each month?! That'll ruin the snowballs!!!

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[JerryTaker]

I'm against abortion, but doesn't the pill prevent women fromg etting abortions?


Yes, which is why it's total insanity that most christian pro-lifers are against the pill, condoms, the morning after pill, etc, etc,

Until you realize they're against anything that denies them potential cannon fodder for thier crusade against non-christian turban-wearing, oil-hoarding heathens.....

with all thier rampant sex and loose women in revealing cloathing..... oh wait...

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[Iamnotatool]

Wisest piece of advise my father gave me:


Never trust something that bleeds for 5 days in a row, and doesn't die.

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[East Side Dave]

Wisest piece of advise my father gave me:


Never trust something that bleeds for 5 days in a row, and doesn't die.


And that includes Aron Ralston. Never trusted that little fucker.

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[Freakshow]

Never trust something that bleeds for 5 days in a row, and doesn't die.

Christians?

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[Iamnotatool]

Christians?



Vagina's.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Please don't lump in all republicans with these extreme right-wing religious jerkoffs. Folks like this and that douchebag who refused to give the girl the morning-after drug piss me off.



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[NewYorkDragons80]

Excellent. Just great. Shouldn't a pharmacist have to fill a basic script prescribed to you by your doctor? If they have such "moral" problems with certain medication, maybe they shouldn't become a fucking pharmacist.
Nevertheless, it's the business's decision who they want or don't want to do business with.

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[angrymissy]

Nevertheless, it's the business's decision who they want or don't want to do business with.

Yes, but one of these Pharmacists was fired for not filling the script and now they're crying foul.

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[Yerdaddy]

Nevertheless, it's the business's decision who they want or don't want to do business with.

Not with pharmaceutical businesses. At Costco, which requires a membership to shop, they have one legally mandated exception to that policy - people without memberships cannot be refused access to the pharmacy. Pharmacies are life or death, sickness or health businesses. Pharmacists cannot be allowed to become moral police at the expence of people recieving the medications they have been prescribed by their doctors. As this case shows, religious politics has allowed for individual pharmacists to do just that, but not yet pharmacies themselves. It's a dangerous precedent and one that will only get worse unless we put a stop to it.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Not with pharmaceutical businesses. At Costco, which requires a membership to shop, they have one legally mandated exception to that policy - people without memberships cannot be refused access to the pharmacy. Pharmacies are life or death, sickness or health businesses. Pharmacists cannot be allowed to become moral police at the expence of people recieving the medications they have been prescribed by their doctors. As this case shows, religious politics has allowed for individual pharmacists to do just that, but not yet pharmacies themselves. It's a dangerous precedent and one that will only get worse unless we put a stop to it.
That's a valid point, but it shouldn;t be the government's job to step in, it should be the customers of the CVS organizing a boycott.

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Man, I checked out of the serious discussion on this thread a long time ago...


I was expecting at the least a some sort of comment after I posted that mp3 of my band's song--Coathanger Abortion. Oh, well.

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[Yerdaddy]

That's a valid point, but it shouldn;t be the government's job to step in, it should be the customers of the CVS organizing a boycott.

How can that be when it appears the only cases in which the law might have been violated is when the pharamicist refused to return the perscription to the patient. Boycotts cannot be used to force CVS or any other pharmacy to violate the law. (Also, boycotts are probably the least effective method protecting the public imaginable. Very few boycotts can compete with a well-financed public relations campaign. I can't think of a single case of a successful boycott out of the hundreds I've heard of in five years as an activist.) The problem here is these laws are set up to protect the rights of the religious to impose their moral views on the general public. That's what needs to be changed. And it needs to be changed legislatively. Unfortunately political power among religious activists is probably too powerful now to even keep these laws from expanding much less overturn them.

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[LiquidCourage]

I'm not surprised at all by this after my stint in the red states.

[Yerdaddy]

The New England Journal of Medicine just did a piece on the issue: <a href="http://www.wiggin.com/db30/cgi-bin/pubs/The%20Limits%20of%20Conscientious%20Objection%20Ke n%20Baum.pdf" target="_blank">The Limits of Conscientous Objection - May Pharmacists Refuse to Fill Prescriptions for Emergency Contraception?</a> (PDF)

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[curtoid]

I'm against abortion

Great! Don't have one.

Until you realize they're against anything that denies them potential cannon fodder for thier crusade against non-christian turban-wearing, oil-hoarding heathens.....

True. And yet - oddly Talibanesque.

Please don't lump in all republicans with these extreme right-wing religious jerkoffs.

The GOP needs to do a better job of not getting as cozy with these folks in the first place - when Bob Jones III has the ear of the President, the descenters shouldn't be blamed for pointing out where they see the Republican Party has gone.

In my opinion, the Democrats have really been a disappointment - the only hope I have right now is that there are some brave, moderate Republicans out there that can get their party back.

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[42nd-delay]

From this (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A5738-2004Nov22?language=printer) article about the new spending bill (currently stalled because of the tax provision issue).


Also included in the final bill was a major provision barring states from enforcing laws that require health care providers, hospitals, HMOs or insurers to pay for, provide or give referrals for abortion.


This doesn't mean that none of those organizations can't pay, provide or refer abortions, but how many will do so so willingly? Certainly not all, I'd suspect. The more disturbing thing is that it was snuck in the bill like that.

It's also pretty scary that no lawmakers read an entire spending bill.

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[Yerdaddy]

The difference between that provision and previous 'conscientous objector' laws was that previously it was the right of individual health care providers to refuse to provide services they object to but only if they referred the patient to another provider, where the one they snuck into this spending bill would have allowed whole health care institutions to 1. refuse services, 2. prevent all of their providers from providing them, and 3. refuse to refer patients to facilities that provide them.

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[A.J.]

It's also pretty scary that no lawmakers read an entire spending bill.

That's what 22 year old staffers are for.

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