Glitch gave Bush extra votes in Ohio [Archive]

angrymissy

11-06-2004, 10:37 AM

How come there is not a formal investigation into this? If 100 machines did the same thing, couldn't it have tipped the election?

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/index.html">Cnn.com - Glitch gave Bush extra votes in Ohio</a>

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Ndugu

11-06-2004, 10:44 AM

i say we do it again, but this time, we all thumb wrestle, if my genius was recognizd i could save this country

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keithy_19

11-06-2004, 10:50 AM

Did it make a difference in the actual election?

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Melrapuo

11-06-2004, 10:52 AM

I'm sure they will start an investigation to make sure that no other machines did this. But, even with the glitch, Bush did win that county.

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angrymissy

11-06-2004, 11:02 AM

My question is, if that one glitch gave Bush 4000 votes, and he won Ohio by 100,000, if 25 machines had the same glitch, it would impact the election, so why is there not a deeper investigation into this considering that Ohio was the deciding state in the election?

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11-06-2004, 11:20 AM

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God Amy dont be such a glitch

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curtoid

11-06-2004, 11:22 AM

Huzzah!

I love good, old fashion hand wringing and doubting. Ohio was too close not to come under the collective hairy eye-ball.

I've already begun my boycot of Ohio. I hope Bobo doesn't object.

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keithy_19

11-06-2004, 11:43 AM

Well, I gues Bush "stole" the election again. Whatcha gunna do?

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Doctor Manhattan

11-06-2004, 11:53 AM

It's too late. And it won't really help to fight it now.

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11-06-2004, 12:06 PM

I say...Just give up to the dark side!!!!!

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furie

11-06-2004, 12:21 PM

There were votes ion machines in Philidelphia before voting began. all votes were for Kerry. Why isn't there an investigation on that? That's worse than a glitch.

it's over. let's all move on.

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Doomstone

11-06-2004, 12:34 PM

There were votes ion machines in Philidelphia before voting began. all votes were for Kerry. Why isn't there an investigation on that?

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/10078797.htm?1c

Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne M. Abraham today refuted reports that 2,000 votes had been "planted" on voting machines at several polling places.

Cathie Abookire, spokeswoman for Abraham, said poll workers misinterpreted numbers they found on voting machines before the polls opened. Abookire said the city's new electronic voting machines have two windows that display voting numbers - one that shows the total number of votes ever cast on the machine, the other that shows the number of votes cast today.

Some poll workers saw the number of prior votes from past elections on the machines and thought that meant votes had been planted.

"They misread the machines," Abookire said. "There were no planted votes."

The confusion was created by a Web site, the Drudge Report, which reported that before voting began in Philadelphia, poll watchers found nearly 2000 votes planted on machines at four polling places - 2601 N. 11th St., 1901 W. Girard Ave., 122 W. Erie Ave. and 5657 Chew Ave.

Ed Kirlin, a volunteer with the Democratic Party, said whoever had given the information to Drudge looked at the wrong numbers on the voting machines.

"I think it's an attempt at misinformation," said Kirlin. "They didn't go to any party officials. They went right to the Drudge Report."

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HBox

11-06-2004, 12:36 PM

That Philadelphia story was debunked before election day was over. Republican poll watchers looked at vote counters on the machines before the polls opened and thought that votes had already been cast. However, according to election officials, the counters they saw counted every vote ever counted on the machine, and that the votes cast were from tests conducted on the machines and were not going to be counted in Tuesday's election. I tried finding a news article about it, but I can't find any. The only one I found close was that Republicans stopped the counting of 12,000 absentee ballots becuase they were not allowed to challenge them.

EDIT:I guess other people are better at finding articles than I am.

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torker

11-06-2004, 12:46 PM

Whatcha gunna do?

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Doctor Manhattan

11-06-2004, 01:46 PM

Well, unless there were more than 3.5 million votes that were "planted" or otherwise faked. Then what does it matter? I'm very sure W still had more real votes.
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TheMojoPin

11-06-2004, 02:56 PM

Besides, even if Kerry gets Ohio, he'd still have lost.

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HBox

11-06-2004, 02:58 PM

Nope. If Kerry won Ohio, he'd have 272, and you need 270 to win.

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angrymissy

11-06-2004, 03:42 PM

Regardless of whether or not Kerry would win if he got Ohio, shouldn't this be investigated more deeply?! 4,000 extra votes for Bush already on the machine? I just read an article on this saying that those machines basically run Windows with a MS Access database. Massively hackable to say the least.

Well, unless there were more than 3.5 million votes that were "planted" or otherwise faked. Then what does it matter?

If kerry got 150,000 extra votes in Ohio he would have 272 electoral votes, which would be a win.

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Teenweek

11-06-2004, 04:06 PM

Melrapuo

11-06-2004, 04:10 PM

Can we stop this. KERRY LOST BY over 3.6 million votes. The Democrats had a bigger army (of lawyers) than the US has in Iraq ready to file lawsuits. Kerry lost by 136000 votes with less than 150000 to count. So do you think he would have gotten 90% of the vote. This elecdtion was not close. It was a blowout.

::Waits for someone to compare this to the 2000 election where Gore won the...well you know what happened.::

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11-06-2004, 04:11 PM

Can we stop this. KERRY LOST BY over 3.6 million votes. The Democrats had a bigger army (of lawyers) than the US has in Iraq ready to file lawsuits. Kerry lost by 136000 votes with less than 150000 to count. So do you think he would have gotten 90% of the vote.

First of all, that has nothing to do with possible voter fraud. Second of all, the popular vote wasn't relevant in 2000, was it? I didn't see any Republicans bowing to the popular vote then. The electoral system is stupid, and I doubt Republicans will learn from winning the popular vote by 3.5 million votes and still being 130,000 votes away from losing the election. And don't fool yourself; Republicans had just as big an army of lawyers as the Democrats and were filing lawsuits before and during election day.

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Teenweek

11-06-2004, 04:44 PM

[font=Century gothic][color=navy][size=2]First of all, that has nothing to do with possible voter fraud. Second of all, the popular vote wasn't relevant in 2000, was it? I didn't see any Republicans bowing to the popular vote then. The electoral system is stupid, and I doubt Republicans will learn from winning the popular vote by 3.5 million votes and still being 130,000 votes away from losing the election. And don't fool yourself; Republicans had just as big an army of lawyers as the Democrats and were filing lawsuits before and during election day.

I know they both had an army of lawyers. Kerry knew it was a hopeless fight. I watched Buill Maher on HBO and that untalented ugly cunt Susan Sarandon said the main reason the Democrats lost was because of voter fraud. Even Bill Maher who hates Bush disagreed with her. There was no way he was going to win unless Kerry pretty much got every remaining vote left. It was a hopeless fight.

And Gore what won by 500K votes right and lost the electoral college. Bush won the popular vote by 3.5-3.6 million votes and dominated the elctoral college with 286 votes. This was not a close election. The democrats won the northeast and california. That is pretty much it.

reeshy

11-06-2004, 04:50 PM

Bush is president....case closed!!!!!

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curtoid

11-06-2004, 05:08 PM

lol!

If these defensive Republican histrionics are any sign, the next four years might be real fun. Nothing like the angry majority pissed off that they are/were so put upon.

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JerseyJokes

11-06-2004, 06:20 PM

you're right kerry only one the northeast and the west coast, so basically the only free thinking places in the country. its just a shame that there isn't two nations, one could be under god and can vote for whoever their parrish tells them "republican" and the other full of people that make informed decisions and do things based on principles "everyone else".
funny things is, when i looked at that breakdown i also couldn't imagine ever having to live in any of those red states. i swear i'd have a conniption fit...

I never claimed to be different, I always said I was bored....

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silera

11-06-2004, 06:51 PM

I'm so sick of the constant "It's over, get over it."

The entirety of Bush's presidency has gone unchecked because every fucked up thing he's done, whenever questioned, is dismissed because "it's over, get over it."

He stole Florida in 2000, get over it. Let's just move on. His adminstration ignored the terrorist threats for 9 months. Forget it, let's just focus on the future. He feeds us a shitload of halftruths to wage a war. Well, let's just forget that because we have to clean it up. His economic policies have us at a 400 billion deficit, well we should just get over it and look towards the future. His environmental policies are shit, let's forget it because the environment can wait for someone else to fix it.

I'm sick of getting over Bush, but better put, I'm sick of his fucking administration getting over on us.

Let's not get over shit and let's start holding these assholes accountable for their so called fuck ups or planned abuses of our country.

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furie

11-06-2004, 07:25 PM

seriously. it's over. let's all move on.

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Yerdaddy

11-06-2004, 07:53 PM

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?! Was it over when the Iraqis attacked the Twin Towers?!

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BooBooKittyFuck

11-06-2004, 08:09 PM

I say we do it again but instead of thumb wrestle we send all 3 to fear factor and see who wins...

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furie

11-06-2004, 08:12 PM

do you really think Nader deserves to be on Fear Factor?

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reeshy

11-06-2004, 08:16 PM

Yerdaddy

11-06-2004, 08:20 PM

Make him drive in a 1959 Corvair without seatbelts. And do they have vegetarian testicles for him to eat? He'll do worse than he did in the election. Even Mojo will be embarrassed to support him. And Mojo wears fishnet stockings with real fish in them!

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reeshy

11-06-2004, 08:22 PM

Mojo loves the COD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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11-06-2004, 08:22 PM

Who wants lobster????????????????

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TheMojoPin

11-06-2004, 08:23 PM

Who wants to scale my grouper?

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11-06-2004, 08:24 PM

I think it would be a very interesting show, the wives can be on also maybe a team effort

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reeshy

11-06-2004, 08:24 PM

I wanna kill a MONO and I can't....oh yea....I'lll scale your grouper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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reeshy

11-06-2004, 08:26 PM

Get over it....one more time.....Bush is GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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11-06-2004, 08:27 PM

I think it would be a very interesting show, the wives can be on also maybe a team effort

Scaling the grouper???????? UMMMMMMMMM!!!!

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11-06-2004, 08:28 PM

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11-06-2004, 08:31 PM

Like I said....he likes the COD!!!!!!!!!!

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Yerdaddy

11-06-2004, 08:37 PM

mojo wears a cod piece.

Yes, but he wears it backwards.

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11-06-2004, 09:04 PM

bigbaldirish

11-07-2004, 01:00 AM

i don't mind who is president, as long as congress is different, (party wise) but continuing to have a republican pres, and congress, frightens me. to me it seems like the great ideas of a Republican get passed, and then the not-really-that-good plans all get passed as well, if only because of party lines. and god forbid we have a judicial branch that is same as the other two.
it works the same for the Dems too, but if the free world is controlled by one general view of the world, and there is no one to fight for the other way, the other way is screwed.

the only thing that truly bothers me about Bush being president again is, that in the first election he was trying to give the point of view that he was more middle of the road than he truly is.

now the only solution is when you have a problem call your represantive in the house, and senate members, and tell them you will vote against them ,and grab some of your friends to do the same, and live up to it.

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Doctor Manhattan

11-07-2004, 03:31 AM

Well, unless there were more than 3.5 million votes that were "planted" or otherwise faked. Then what does it matter?
If kerry got 150,000 extra votes in Ohio he would have 272 electoral votes, which would be a win.

So now the Electoral vote is more important than the Popular vote? I thought people wanted the Electoral College done away with.

And I'm Anti-Bush, BTW I hate to defend him.

I don't mind an investigation, but legally, since Kerry conceded to W2 can it be reversed?

If an investigation shows that W's team tampered with the vote to sway the election, then perhaps he should be taken out of office, but it has to be a very direct connection.
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GodsFavoriteMan

11-07-2004, 04:59 AM

I don't believe concessions are legally binding contracts. It's basically the loser saying that he concedes the election, but the votes still need to be counted, and be correct.

I could be wrong though, I'm not looking at any legal textbook here. But it's 99.99% likely that nothing will come of this and Bush will serve his second term.

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jeffdwright2001

11-07-2004, 06:30 AM

Who wants to scale my grouper?

We're not "groupers", we are "buddays".

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Teenweek

11-07-2004, 07:22 AM

It was tried once....it was called the Civil War!!!! Can you guess who won??????

The South

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TheMojoPin

11-07-2004, 08:42 AM

So if Kerry somehow got Ohio after the fact, and technically WON the elctoral college...Bush will LOSE having a THREE MILLION VOTE lead in the popular vote?

Absurd.

I'd revolt.

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East Side Dave

11-07-2004, 09:44 AM

This elecdtion was not close. It was a blowout.

It was the smallest percentage of victory by an incumbent president in the history of America!! Yeah! I'd sure call that a blowout! I'd also like to call the following events blowouts:

-Giants over the Bills in Super Bowl XXV

-Frasier over Ali in Ali-Frasier I

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11-07-2004, 01:02 PM

This elecdtion was not close. It was a blowout.

51 to 48 is a Blowout?!?!

These are the same people calling W2 the most "popular president ever", since he had more popular votes than any other president. The problem is, Kerry got more popular votes that just about any other canidate as well. I think Kerry's vote count beat Reagan in 1984 which was the highest before W2.

The election was close, but not TOO CLOSE like 2000. W2 won but can't just accept it, he calls his win a "Mandate"

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silera

11-07-2004, 05:16 PM

Wouldn't it serve us all to make sure that we investigate this, and any other discrepancies and find solutions so that they do not occur in the future? What good does it serve us as a nation to get over elections that are flawed and possibly do not reflect what people wanted?

Why can't we get fucking paper records of our votes into electronic machines? Alkey works for Diebold. Funny enough, they manage to make ATMs that provide a paper record for every monetary transaction that is performed, and not only to dispense to the customer but also for the branch files.

Is it too much to ask that the same courtesy/safeguards are put in place for the electoral process?

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curtoid

11-07-2004, 05:33 PM

These are the same people calling W2 the most "popular president ever", since he had more popular votes than any other president. The problem is, Kerry got more popular votes that just about any other canidate as well. I think Kerry's vote count beat Reagan in 1984 which was the highest before W2.

Yup.

100% correct.

They can spin it that W is the one of the most popular President ever, but if you are looking at from the other side, just by the numbers - he's the one of the most unpopular presidents ever.

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curtoid

11-07-2004, 05:40 PM

So if Kerry somehow got Ohio after the fact, and technically WON the elctoral college...Bush will LOSE having a THREE MILLION VOTE lead in the popular vote?

Absurd.

I'd revolt.

Only if something as fucked up like that would have happened would there have been any hope in reforming the electoral college.

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jerseystreets

11-07-2004, 06:12 PM

Saying "it's over, get over it" is like saying we should have just let OJ go because the people were dead already and so who cares.

I don't care if the extra votes are for Bush, Kerry, or Gehengis Kahn. These machines are scary and REALLY easy to hack. Check out:
www.votergate.com. There's a short film about how a GRANDMOTHER figured out how to hack onto the voting machines from her home computer. We need to fix these machines now.

And yeah-Bush may have stolen the election-again.

JerryTaker

11-07-2004, 07:26 PM

Bush did not steal the election

It was given to him on a silver platter, by Walden O'Dell, CEO of Diebold, Inc, the makers of the questionable touch-screen machines, and A staunch supporter for the republican party and George W Bush (http://www.diebold.com/whatsnews/inthenews/executive.htm)

as for the notion of "It's over, get over it?"

yes, Democracy is certainly over. The corporations officially run this country and all our lives....

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TheMojoPin

11-07-2004, 07:32 PM

It was given to him on a silver platter, by Walden O'Dell, CEO of Diebold, Inc, the makers of the questionable touch-screen machines, and A staunch supporter for the republican party and George W Bush

So, the linked article proved...what, exactly?

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reeshy

11-07-2004, 07:35 PM

OH MY GOD.....BUSH IS STILL PRESIDENT?????? ANNIE, GET MY GUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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11-07-2004, 07:37 PM

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JerryTaker

11-07-2004, 07:45 PM

So, the linked article proved...what, exactly?

That the CEO of the company that programmed the voting machines is a partisan Bush Supporter

I only used Diebold's site so I couldn't be accused of linking some "liberal" site as backup.

The rest will have to come out in the courts, then again, this administration doesn't want us to have access to lawyers anymore, so it'll probably be in the far, far future

 
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Tenbatsuzen

11-07-2004, 08:00 PM

The rest will have to come out in the courts, then again, this administration doesn't want us to have access to lawyers anymore, so it'll probably be in the far, far future

Are you planning a trip to the WTC site anytime soon?

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TheMojoPin

11-07-2004, 08:04 PM

That the CEO of the company that programmed the voting machines is a partisan Bush Supporter

Which proves...what, exactly?

Are you bothered that he supports Bush? Or just that he said he did?

Odds are you're not going to find a political neuter in these things. People are going to have their opinions and personal party choices. How are you going to stop that?

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jeffdwright2001

11-07-2004, 08:24 PM

Odds are you're not going to find a political neuter in these things.

Maybe not, but Nader's fairly close. He's been politically neutered.

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TheMojoPin

11-07-2004, 08:25 PM

I'm pretty sure he hasn't ever touched a woman, either.

Why do you think I'm such a fan?

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11-07-2004, 08:29 PM

Mojo, you and nader would make a couple!!!!!!!

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11-07-2004, 08:32 PM

I'm now reminded of The Daily Show of a little more than a week ago when John Zogby was the guest. He said there were significant portions of both sides who would not recognize the legitimacy of the other side's winner no matter what. I guess this thread proves it.

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TheMojoPin

11-07-2004, 08:33 PM

I wish my last name was "Zogby."

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Yerdaddy

11-07-2004, 08:47 PM

Are you planning a trip to the WTC site anytime soon?

You want him to pick you up some more roofies or something?

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FUNKMAN

11-07-2004, 08:51 PM

how come there is never a fucking glitch on the billing systems of the people i owe money too...

you know like maybe for a month or two they disappear..

but NOOOOOOOO!

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jeffdwright2001

11-07-2004, 09:14 PM

I wish my last name was "Zogby."

No you don't. You'd have been like me in elementary school. We always lined up and sat by last name.

"Wr" is pretty much end of the line, except for any unlucky folks who did indeed have "Z" as their last initial.

With Zogby, you'd have been behind me. So I guess what I'm actually saying is that "I" don't wish your last name was Zogby. ;)

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11-07-2004, 09:18 PM

you'd have been behind me

I don't need a ride on THAT village's bicycle.

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monsterone

11-07-2004, 09:22 PM

Why can't we get fucking paper records of our votes into electronic machines? Alkey works for Diebold. Funny enough, they manage to make ATMs that provide a paper record for every monetary transaction that is performed, and not only to dispense to the customer but also for the branch files.

b/c scumbags like me would have sold my vote and had a record of proof - cha-fucking-ching.

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11-07-2004, 09:23 PM

I have a tricycle!!!!!!!!!!!

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11-07-2004, 09:24 PM

monsterone

11-07-2004, 09:27 PM

and i'm sooooooooooooooooo sick of jeffdwright complaining about the INJUSTICES of the alphabetical order. for fuck sake, stop knowing the system. it's not like we don't get reverse alphabetical.

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11-07-2004, 09:35 PM

and i'm sooooooooooooooooo sick of jeffdwright complaining about the INJUSTICES of the alphabetical order. for fuck sake, stop knowing the system. it's not like we don't get reverse alphabetical.

Braggart! Just because your state's school system taught reverse alphabetical order before High School, doesn't mean every state did.

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kc7586

11-07-2004, 10:40 PM

no. over. go home. shut up. stop bitching.

I'm sick of people being sick of the "it's over get over it stuff" It is over whether you people want to admit it or not. Kerry gave up, it's done. shut the fuck up, you dont even have to grin just bear it. or just move the fuck away for four years. It's right around now that makes me just want to drop out of college because of the complete and total stupidity of just about everyone here. There was a fucking candle-lit vigil for the "death of humanity." People actually fucking "greiving and mourning" That's taking things way to far. No matter how much you people bitch and cry and scream to recount shit things will not change.

Deal with it or bugger off.
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monsterone

11-07-2004, 10:42 PM

stop knowing the system

it was supposed to be knocking, not knowing. I SUCK!!!

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A.J.

11-08-2004, 03:20 AM

Hey, you would too if you lived near AJ.

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Yeah -- like I had to put a gun to your head to make you wear one.

Why can't we get fucking paper records of our votes into electronic machines?

Wouldn't that violate the privacy of the voting booth?

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FUNKMAN

11-08-2004, 04:47 AM

it was supposed to be knocking, not knowing. I SUCK!!!

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angrymissy

11-08-2004, 05:10 AM

I'm not saying "OMFG Kerry would win because of this"! I'm saying, why the fuck isn't this being investigated? I don't care WHO won, the fact is those machines had votes on them already. You can bet if Kerry had won and the Rebuplicans found this out, their panties would be all in a bunch. I'm not going to just sit idly by and "Deal With It" when there is obviously voter fraud going on. Everyone wants to blather on about being a "Good American", well a good american wouldn't sit by and not question something like this.

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silera

11-08-2004, 05:19 AM

Wouldn't that violate the privacy of the voting booth?

How? Paper ballots have been used for 200 years without violating privacy.

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A.J.

11-08-2004, 05:49 AM

Maybe I misundertstood what you meant by "paper record of our votes".

Do you mean you'd get a receipt after casting a vote -- like when you make an ATM withdrawal?

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silera

11-08-2004, 06:01 AM

I think that you could get a receipt for your personal peace of mind but I was more pointing out that many atm machines actually keep a ledger of all the transactions performed as well as printing out a receipt for the customer.

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jerseystreets

11-08-2004, 06:57 AM

Get over it my ass. Nobody is saying that the election should be overturned or that we should overthrow George Bush because of this or anything like that. We're saying that the head of Diebold is on record as being in the tank for W, donated $200,000 to his campaign, and said that he was "Committed" to making sure that Bush won Ohio. Diebold made these voting machines, and these voting machines are NOT verifiable in ANY way and they can be programmed to do whatever the hell they want and we can never know. And then we see that Bush is getting 4000+ votes in a county where 600 people vote. If we DON'T look into this we're idiots.

We're not saying that Bush didn't win, or anything like that. We're saying that this should be looked into because if anything illegal was going on it should be stopped so that future elections would be fair. That's all. And I don't know why anyone would have a problem with that.

wilee

11-08-2004, 07:31 AM

So it was the programmer on the grassy knoll?

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A.J.

11-08-2004, 07:48 AM

Since people can't undertstand how to fill oout a ballot and because voting machines can be corrupted by both Republicans and Democrats, I propose that votes be cast when people submit their annual tax forms. When you send in your 1040, check off who you want.

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silera

11-08-2004, 08:43 AM

no. over. go home. shut up. stop bitching.

I'm sick of people being sick of the "it's over get over it stuff" It is over whether you people want to admit it or not. Kerry gave up, it's done. shut the fuck up, you dont even have to grin just bear it. or just move the fuck away for four years. It's right around now that makes me just want to drop out of college because of the complete and total stupidity of just about everyone here. There was a fucking candle-lit vigil for the "death of humanity." People actually fucking "greiving and mourning" That's taking things way to far. No matter how much you people bitch and cry and scream to recount shit things will not change.

Deal with it or bugger off.
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You're an idiot.

Please make sure you take remedial english courses to improve your reading comprehension skills before attempting to respond to me in the future.

What the fuck is over? Is democracy and accountability over? The point is to ensure that the electoral process regains credibility and validity. You should drop out of college because you are obviously unable to see nuance or to consider that your opinion on issues could benefit from research or dissent.

Rather than continue posting the random clueless ramblings of a child, try to come into this forum with a semblance of respect for those here that actually try to form their opinions based on fact and life experience.

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Doctor Manhattan

11-08-2004, 09:10 AM

I propose that votes be cast when people submit their annual tax forms. When you send in your 1040, check off who you want.

That is a wonderful idea. It would work very well.

It'll never happen. I wish it could.

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11-08-2004, 09:19 AM

Damn the Republicans for changing the Laws of science, mathmatics and physics! D'em and D'eir damn Jedi mind tricks, time machines, Philosopher's Stones, Illuminati-runnin' hornswagglers!! Always full of codswallop!

The complaining won't end even after they check through the OS of the voting machines, and the voting programs and don't find anything suspicious.

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IrishAlkey

11-08-2004, 09:20 AM

This forum should be fucking password protected.

Jesus Christ.

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kevcala

11-08-2004, 09:20 AM

We're saying that the head of Diebold is on record as being in the tank for W, donated $200,000 to his campaign, and said that he was "Committed" to making sure that Bush won Ohio. Diebold made these voting machines, and these voting machines are NOT verifiable in ANY way and they can be programmed to do whatever the hell they want and we can never know.

What is this, an episode of Batman, where viallians leave blaring clues about their next caper? If the president of Diebold was going to rig voting machines do you seriously believe would he make a public anouncement hinting at the fact he was going to do it? I'm not saying get over it, or that it shouldn't be investigated, but come on, life is not a Nancy Drew book.

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IrishAlkey

11-08-2004, 09:38 AM

My company is getting so much press!

I'm almost famous.

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11-08-2004, 09:50 AM

A.J.

11-08-2004, 09:51 AM

Diebold. That's German for "The Bold" isn't it?

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11-08-2004, 09:53 AM

It's French for "conservative conspirators".

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CaptClown

11-08-2004, 10:05 AM

What is this, an episode of Batman, where viallians leave blaring clues about their next caper? If the president of Diebold was going to rig voting machines do you seriously believe would he make a public anouncement hinting at the fact he was going to do it?

ok, that's pretty funny.

Not really, especially when they think they are the next Encyclopedia Brown, Nancy Drew,Hercule Poirot(Fill-in the name of your favorite fictional detective) and they think they have a conspiracy to uncover.

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walking joint

11-08-2004, 10:15 AM

It's right around now that makes me just want to drop out of college because of the complete and total stupidity of just about everyone here.

how many people from this messageboard go to the same college? and why would this want to make you drop out of school? the others are so stupid they should fail out soon enough, so hang in there.

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TooCute

11-08-2004, 10:26 AM

[ If the president of Diebold was going to rig voting machines do you seriously believe would he make a public anouncement hinting at the fact he was going to do it?

Ok, you're right. It wasn't a public announcement. He only wrote that he was ""committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes for the president" in his August 2003 fundraising letter.

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TheMojoPin

11-08-2004, 10:31 AM

And?

Sounds like anyone else throwing their support behind a candidate. It proves nothing. It doesn't even come CLOSE to proving anything.

It's leaping from point A to point Z without bothering to fill in anything in between.

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IrishAlkey

11-08-2004, 10:35 AM

He also said he was committed to giving me a raise.

Things are looking up!

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jerseystreets

11-08-2004, 10:36 AM

No, I'm not saying Walden O'Dell is the Joker, announcing his evil schemes on TV. When he said he was "Committed to delivering Ohio" to George Bush it was in an INTERNAL memo to the Reupblican Fund Raising Committee. This memo was obtained by a reporter for the Cleveland Plain-Dealer newspaper and published on August 28. This reporter has been jumping up and down about this since then, but nobody paid attention because nobody thinks that things like that can't happen here. But now it seems like maybe they can.

TooCute

11-08-2004, 10:42 AM

And?

Sounds like anyone else throwing their support behind a candidate. It proves nothing. It doesn't even come CLOSE to proving anything.

It's leaping from point A to point Z without bothering to fill in anything in between.

I don't think anyone has suggested than anything has been proven. I don't think anyone has lept from "point ! to point Z". I think all anyone is saying that there is some indication that there may have been some sort of problems with the machines.

That the president of Diebold said what he said indeed proves nothing. But if nothing else, it just makes it even more evident why at least some sort of inquiry ought to be made. However, you could argue that it is NOT like "anyone else throwing their support behind a candidate" because someone like say Sean Penn doesn't exactly have access to the voting machines that have no paper trail.

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wilee

11-08-2004, 10:49 AM

Maybe there is some truth to the "magic ballot" theory?

So, Alkey, was your raise contingent on a trip to Ohio?

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IrishAlkey

11-08-2004, 10:52 AM

Sadly, even in jest would that be the only way Bush put more cash in my pocket.

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angrymissy

11-08-2004, 10:59 AM

To everyone saying "deal with it":

Please give me one reason, just one, why problems with VOTING MACHINES should not be investigated? Isn't this important?

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IrishAlkey

11-08-2004, 11:04 AM

NO BECAUSE BUSH WON GET OVER IT COMMIE TWAT!

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11-08-2004, 11:05 AM

I BET YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A MAGNETIC SUPPORT THE TROOPS RIBBON ON YOUR GAS GUZZLING SUV!

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East Side Dave

11-08-2004, 11:15 AM

I'll tell ya what I'm not gonna "get over".....Raj getting fired by the Donald!!! I thought that little spaz was going all the way!!

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11-08-2004, 11:24 AM

At this point just book my flight to Alpha Centauri. If there are any real discrepancies in the vote, it will probably be set aside and the House of Reps will pick Bush. John Kerry will still have lost.

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angrymissy

11-08-2004, 11:30 AM

NO BECAUSE BUSH WON GET OVER IT COMMIE TWAT!

OMFHGDSGA!!!!111 ALKEY IS IN ON THE DIEBOLD CONSPIRACY! TRAITOR!

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11-08-2004, 11:43 AM

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11-08-2004, 11:48 AM

And another thing!! I'm not saying it pertains to anyone on here, but my non-RonFez.net friends who are republicans who say "get over it" about an election that happened last week still haven't gotten over Clinton getting oral from an intern six years ago!! Yabba-dabba-doo!!!!

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11-19-2004, 11:50 AM

More news, and I haven't seen anyone else post it.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/10143328.htm
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Maiden said the problem wasn't caught because it didn't affect the vote totals for candidates or issues -- only the turnout totals.

She explained that the flawed program incorrectly added the total of absentee ballots cast in a state House District to every community within the district that had an issue in Tuesday's election.

For example, the program accurately reported that 301 of the 558 registered voters in the small village of Woodmere showed up at the polls on Tuesday. The program also correctly reported the vote counts for president -- 258 cast ballots for John Kerry and 40 for George W. Bush -- and for the other candidates and issues.

But in calculating the turnout in Woodmere, the program incorrectly added all 8,553 absentee ballots from the entire state House District 8. The result was an impossible turnout of 8,854 voters or 1,587 percent.

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furie

11-19-2004, 12:36 PM

well, that ends that. the glitch didn't give Bush extra votes in Ohio

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11-19-2004, 02:54 PM

But then there's this:

Researchers: Florida Vote Fishy (http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html?
tw=wn_1polihead)

Electronic voting machines in Florida may have awarded George W.
Bush up to 260,000 more votes than he should have received,
according to statistical analysis conducted by University of California,
Berkeley graduate students and a professor, who released a study on
Thursday.

Sociology professor Michael Hout, who chairs the university's graduate
Sociology and Demography group, said the chance for such a
discrepancy to occur was less than 1 in 1,000.

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TheMojoPin

11-19-2004, 06:17 PM

well, that ends that. the glitch didn't give Bush extra votes in Ohio

[sassy]But the memo! Where the rich guy said he loves Bush! That proved everything! No takebacks![/molassy]

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