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FMJeff
11-04-2004, 11:44 AM
The greatest news I've heard all week...this almost makes me happy...

FUCK YOU NAZI (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/04/ashcroft.future.ap/index.html)

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Furtherman
11-04-2004, 11:48 AM
Well, there's a lot of dead guys ready to take his place.

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reeshy
11-04-2004, 11:53 AM
Ashcroft, a former two-term governor and senator from Missouri, has long been a favorite among Bush's base of religious conservatives.= NAZI??????

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HBox
11-04-2004, 12:01 PM
Ashcroft down, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz next.

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badorties
11-04-2004, 12:04 PM
Ashcroft, a former two-term governor and senator from Missouri, has long been a favorite among Bush's base of religious conservatives.= NAZI??????


yes, that about sums it up ...


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Ndugu
11-04-2004, 12:30 PM
may i ask who this man systematically murdered without provocation that he would deserve to be called the most vial of terms




"What are you liberals, on dope?"

Dudeman
11-04-2004, 12:32 PM
Ashcroft, a former two-term governor and senator from Missouri, has long been a favorite among Bush's base of religious conservatives.= NAZI??????


while i don't have ashcroft positions on hand, here is a summary of some of the positions of the new republican senators (ie. the ashcroft-like members of government.) they are certainly very hate filled, with a sense of moral superiority behind them. this desire to blame "others" for perceived or real social problems, is a cornerstone of the rise of nazism.


"Tom Coburn, the new senator from Oklahoma, has advocated the death penalty for doctors who perform abortions and warned that "the gay agenda" would undermine the country. He also characterized his race as a choice between "good and evil" and said he had heard there was "rampant lesbianism" in Oklahoma schools.

Jim DeMint, the new senator from South Carolina, said during his campaign that he supported a state G.O.P. platform plank banning gays from teaching in public schools. He explained, "I would have given the same answer when asked if a single woman who was pregnant and living with her boyfriend should be hired to teach my third-grade children."

John Thune, who toppled Tom Daschle, is an anti-abortion Christian conservative - or "servant leader," as he was hailed in a campaign ad - who supports constitutional amendments banning flag burning and gay marriage. "

(this is from an article by dowd in the ny times.)


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furie
11-04-2004, 12:42 PM
if you don't know ashcroft's position, how can you call these men ashcroft-like?


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Ndugu
11-04-2004, 12:46 PM
those examples are from men who are not ashcroft, and also, they are ideas, not policy, i would be careful throwing words like nazi around, even if you dont agree with him, nothing he has done would provocate such terms




"What are you liberals, on dope?"

Tazz
11-04-2004, 12:47 PM
I thought this was common knowledge last week.

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Ndugu
11-04-2004, 12:51 PM
just asking, ive never really been up on the attorney generals positions, i just want to know what this "nazi" did




"What are you liberals, on dope?"

FMJeff
11-04-2004, 12:51 PM
Any man who would see pornography go the way of the DoDo is a Nazi.

I want my titties.

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Ndugu
11-04-2004, 12:54 PM
ah yes, the banning of pornography does compare to the murder of 6,000,000 people


p.s.-i also love the titties, and the ass

"What are you liberals, on dope?"

This message was edited by Ndugu on 11-4-04 @ 4:54 PM

TheMojoPin
11-04-2004, 01:00 PM
The Nazi comparison is a joke, and plays right into every "liberal stereotype" that SOME of us at least attempt to not fill so happily.

Not cool.

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Dudeman
11-04-2004, 01:01 PM
if you don't know ashcroft's position, how can you call these men ashcroft-like?


i don't have specific quotes, as this article has. i'd prefer to use quotes, which are more difficult to refute. i am very familiar with his positions.



they are ideas, not policy
that makes extremism okay?


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Ndugu
11-04-2004, 01:06 PM
that makes extremism okay?


lots of differnet groups have extreme ideas, and as long as they dont act on them, they are protected under the constitution, i thought thats why noone liked ashcroft




"What are you liberals, on dope?"

Furtherman
11-04-2004, 01:07 PM
Bush's base of religious conservatives.= NAZI??????


NAZI is the punchline, and religious conservatives are the joke. Unfortunately, they're not funny.


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FMJeff
11-04-2004, 01:08 PM
ah yes, the banning of pornography does compare to the murder of 6,000,000 people


The Nazi Party and the Holocaust are two entirely different things. Please endeavour to understand the distinction between the ideologies of a political party and the massacare the resulted from them.

The connection I'm suggesting is the fundamental backbone of Naziism, suppression of alternative lifestyles through subtle political maneuvers to subvert basic human rights in the name of religion and/or political agendas of those in power.

If pornography goes, shock jocks soon after, then controversial books/magazines/paintings/editorials/movies go, then anti-governmental blogs go...

no more harry potter because its witchcraft, no more sopranos because its violent, no more jenna jameson because she loves nut on her face...

that's the point im making here.

also, the government can eavesdrop on you, arrest you without cause...you know, that good ole patriot act stuff...

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TheMojoPin
11-04-2004, 01:11 PM
Yeah, but the "Republican=Nazi" thing is so tired, it's BEYOND Rich Vos-hacky.

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FMJeff
11-04-2004, 01:13 PM
The Nazi comparison is a joke, and plays right into every "liberal stereotype" that SOME of us at least attempt to not fill so happily.

Not cool.

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1979 << I love my drug buddy... >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

So don't fill it. Meanwhile Bush says he proposed alternative fuel vehicles, so I can say Bush is an alien.


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FMJeff
11-04-2004, 01:14 PM
Yeah, but the "Republican=Nazi" thing is so tired, it's BEYOND Rich Vos-hacky.

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1979 << I love my drug buddy... >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

You know you're getting too liberal when the old standbys become too hack to use anymore.

"Man, nazi is so yesterday....today its facist suppressor...where've you been...in a cave?"

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Ndugu
11-04-2004, 01:17 PM
The Nazi Party and the Holocaust are two entirely different things


slow down, it is my understanding the ideals of the nazi party were to purify germany, make germany "great", it just so happens to make germany great, the nazi party took on the so called jewish problem, so germany-nazi party=no holocaust

ashcroft has never pursued these puritan ideals, he is a nazi because he has a few strange ideas?





"What are you liberals, on dope?"

Iamnotatool
11-04-2004, 01:20 PM
no more jenna jameson because she loves nut on her face...


Now wait just a minute, you give me 2 (or more) titles where Jenna actually takes manpaste on the grill. Unless it's really early in her porn filmdom.


I'm not saying she doesn't, I just wanna know the titles, I always see her as a cumdodger.


I'm here for the porn. Now I'll hang up and listen to you guys.

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Furtherman
11-04-2004, 01:21 PM
Ndugu, YOU must calm down.



slow down, it is my understanding the ideals of the nazi party were to purify germany, make germany "great", it just so happens to make germany great, the nazi party took on the so called jewish problem


it is my understanding the ideals of the christian conservative were to purify America, make America "great", it just so happens to make America great, the christian conservatives took on the so called gay problem

That will be in a future history book.

And FM Jeff is not comparing Ashcroft to an actual person who turned on the gas. And YOU know it.

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DJEvelEd
11-04-2004, 01:24 PM
Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi......NYAAAHH NYAAAHH NANNIE NANNIE POO POO

*rasberry*

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*middle finger*

*silent wet fart from colon*

"NEENER NEENER!!!"

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Ndugu
11-04-2004, 01:27 PM
there is a difference between ethnic clensing, and debating over the rights of gay people to marry, and before i get labeled a homophob, again, i am for the right of homosexuals to do anything they want, i think there are a few more steps to go before we compare the holocaust to the gay marriage debate

edit- and also when you say nazi, noone thinks of a political party, you think murderers, and HOLOCAUST,maybe call him an extremist, or even neo-con, which i am comfortable with, i just think the history of the word nazi should be taken into account before it is thrown around, and also im holding my breath until jeff takes it back, take it back!




"What are you liberals, on dope?"

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Furtherman
11-04-2004, 01:33 PM
When I think Nazi, I think Indiana Jones is in trouble!

Look out Indy!

That big Nazi just took his shirt off!

I think he means business!

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DJEvelEd
11-04-2004, 01:36 PM
i think there are a few more steps to go before we compare the holocaust to the gay marriage debate


We should be stepping back, not closer.

That's it...I'm breaking out the Flinger F‘cesT for all you Nazi supporters...

*FLING*........................................... ..*SPLATT*

Eww I got my shit in John Asscraps mouth....HAW HAW HAW He's a f‘ces loving fag now...HAR HAR HAR

hee hee



heh heh





ha?







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Ndugu
11-04-2004, 01:39 PM
That big Nazi just took his shirt off!


i feel fulfilled as an american when the fucking nazi gets all grinded up in that propeller




"What are you liberals, on dope?"

reeshy
11-04-2004, 01:45 PM
also, the government can eavesdrop on you, arrest you without cause...you know, that good ole patriot act stuff...


FMJeff, it's very apparent that you haven't read the Patriot Act.....I have....do a google and read, please!!!!

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Yerdaddy
11-04-2004, 01:47 PM
When I was working in the Washington office of a human rights organization working on the issue of the Indonesian occupation and genocide of East Timor, (the Indonesian military killed off a quarter of the population of East Timor in its 25 year occupation), we got a tip from a republican ally that Sen. Ashcroft and Sen. Bond, both from Missouri, were working behind the scenes to oppose our legislation that would have cut off military ties to Indonesia. At the time the East Timorese had just voted in a referrendum for independence and the Indonesian military was in the process of killing thousands of Timorese, kidnapping 3/4 of the population into other parts of Indonesia and destroying over 80% of the infrastructure of the entire country. Turns out the two Missouri Senators were trying to prevent the cutoff of aid to the Indonesian military because the Monsanto corporation had converted several Indonesian islands into de facto plantations in cooperative deals with the Indonesian military and did not want to upset that relationship. Monsanto is headquartered in St. Louis.

Ashcroft is not a Nazi. But he is a fucking scumbag.

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FMJeff
11-04-2004, 02:10 PM
the Patriot Act of 2001 gives any U.S. Attorney or state attorney general the power to install the Carnivore e-mail snooping system in so-called "emergency situations" without obtaining a court order. It expands the definition of "terrorist" so broadly that it could include non-violent protesters at an anti-war rally. It could include me, or very possibly, you. It makes it easier for the government to tap multiple phones as part of a "roving wiretap" warrant, and to imprison legal immigrants for seven days based on a mere accusation of terrorism, maybe from an angry neighbor or jealous co-worker.




Creates a broad definition of "domestic terrorism" that may have a chilling effect on the US and international rights to free expression and association.




Allows non-citizens to be detained without charge and held indefinitely once charged.
This is permissible if the US government certifies that there are "reasonable grounds" to believe a person's action threatens national security. This runs counter to US and international rights to due process and could also lead to violations of rights in the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which guarantee that governments be notified if their nationals are detained.




Infringes on the right to privacy and removes many types of judicial review over intelligence activities.
The USA PATRIOT Act permits the government to scrutinize peoples' reading habits by monitoring public library and bookstore records, without notifying the suspect. It also allows for "sneak and peak" tactics such as physical search of property and computers, wiretapping and monitoring of email, and access to financial and educational records, without providing notification. These activities contradict the right to be free from arbitrary interference with individuals' privacy, as protected in the US Constitution and the ICCPR.


SHADOW COURTS RULED ILLEGAL (http://www.brockpress.com/news/2004/10/13/Opinion/Patriot.Act.Wildly.Unpatriotic-751761.shtml)

Hawaii passed resolution to fight Patriot Act (http://hawaii.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/2164.php)

I dunno Reeshy, doesn't seem like a good bill to me. Lots of opposition. Lots of exploitable civil liberty gray areas. Maybe you should read it too.

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furie
11-04-2004, 02:29 PM
see, reasonable grounds. you said without cause.


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FMJeff
11-04-2004, 02:47 PM
see, reasonable grounds. you said without cause.


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i didnt say that, that was a quote...and it was in quotes....suggesting "reasonable grounds" is a ridiculous in its subjectivity as a matter of law...

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HBox
11-04-2004, 02:54 PM
If I remember correctly, Ashcroft used the Patriot Act to subpeona the medical records of a group of women who challenged the partial birth abortion ban.

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smeagol
11-04-2004, 03:31 PM
Hmmm, any SPECIFICs on this or any other misuse or exploitation of Patriot Act provisions?

substance, evidence, facts. where, when, who, what, why.

Hey, nothing's perfect. Needless to say you're perfectly entitled to hate it, fear it, oppose it, whatever. I'm not trying to shout you down or proclaim this Act as flawless. wtf do i know about it anyway? So here's one side of the story that calls out for reasoned balance:

Act: 310 charges and 179 convictions or guilty pleas (http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/docs/071304_report_from_the_field.pdf)


Plausible, but without the facts to back it up kinda thin:

"Officer, really, I merely FOUND the 2 lbs of weed, 3 oz of whiff, and the double-bubble glass bong. I was on my way to the station to turn them them in when you pulled me over!"

furie
11-04-2004, 04:44 PM
it's a joke jeff


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FMJeff
11-04-2004, 05:32 PM
it's a joke jeff


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JOKES??? JOKES??? THIS IS OUR COUNTRY MAN!

AREA 51 MAN! LIBERALS FOREVER! BUSH IS SATAN, SATAN IS BUSH!

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furie
11-04-2004, 05:37 PM
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/13/bush.ap/story.bush.monday.ap.jpg

if you believe in him, you'll never die.


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TheMojoPin
11-04-2004, 08:16 PM
Now wait just a minute, you give me 2 (or more) titles where Jenna actually takes manpaste on the grill. Unless it's really early in her porn filmdom.

Then you've only seen two Jenna flicks, tops. She took it on the chin, literally, a bunch of times.

RAME is your friend. (http://www.iafd.com/person.asp?perfid=JJameson&gender=F)

You can sort each performer's movie listing based on each particular "act." Just select "facial" and it'll show you all the films she got the face blasted....24, specifically.

Several of which were courtesy of Peter North.



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Mothball
11-04-2004, 08:51 PM
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The Democrats choice!

A.J.
11-05-2004, 02:28 AM
Now wait just a minute, you give me 2 (or more) titles where Jenna actually takes manpaste on the grill. Unless it's really early in her porn filmdom.

Then you've only seen two Jenna flicks, tops. She took it on the chin, literally, a bunch of times.

RAME is your friend. (http://www.iafd.com/person.asp?perfid=JJameson&gender=F)

You can sort each performer's movie listing based on each particular "act." Just select "facial" and it'll show you all the films she got the face blasted....24, specifically.

Several of which were courtesy of Peter North.



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Not even Iris could give me "News I Can Use" like that.

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JerryTaker
11-09-2004, 03:13 PM
It's official (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/09/cabinet.resignations/index.html)

The format of this forum is giving me a headache, I'm gong to work...

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Se7en
11-09-2004, 03:33 PM
Any man who would see pornography go the way of the DoDo is a Nazi.

I want my titties.


And the total and complete misuse of the term "nazi" continues.

Hopefully, Bush gets rid of the other great polarizing force in his cabinet, Rumsfeld.

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Johnny4
11-09-2004, 04:08 PM
Ashcroft isn't a nazi. He IS Naziish, though. " Cover up them neked statues of justice afors the childfolk sees em".

For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name

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11-09-2004, 04:32 PM
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Wheres Katylinas books by the way?

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11-09-2004, 04:46 PM
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Wheres Katylinas books by the way?

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sr71blackbird
11-09-2004, 04:53 PM
Kewl! Can I borrow them??

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WRESTLINGFAN
11-10-2004, 06:04 PM
The greatest news I've heard all week...this almost makes me happy...

FUCK YOU NAZI (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/04/ashcroft.future.ap/index.html)



Your reference to Ashcroft as a nazi just reaks of stupidity and and idiocy. It was FDR a liberal democrat who rounded up Japanese Americans and put them in internment camps during WW2. Now has the Bush Administration apprehended every Arab or Muslim? Think before you post

FIRE SATHER!!!!!!!

GodsFavoriteMan
11-10-2004, 06:18 PM
Not every Arab or Muslim, but give them time. It's hard work.

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shocked60
11-11-2004, 03:58 PM
I think all y'all are missing the even bigger story - the guy that Bush nominated to replace Ashcroft, if possible, is even worse than Ashcroft.

Here's a guy who was an Enron Attorney, wrote the legal opinion that it's okay to use torture and okay to ignore the Geneva Conventions, and wrote the legal opinion saying it's okay to keep people locked up for an indeterminate amount of time without legal representation at Gitmo...

Alberto Gonzalez is his name and taking away your rights is his game.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1110-16.htm

Could it get any worse?

why, yes it can!

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shocked60
11-11-2004, 04:08 PM
A very good analysis of Gonzalez' interpretation of the Geneva Convention:

http://lawofwar.org/Torture_Memos_analysis.htm[/url]

The point of the GC is we treat yours like we want ours treated. By proceding the way it has, the Bush Administration has said it is okay to treat American soldiers the same way we treat "enemy combatants."

The Bush Administration speaks out of both sides of its mouth. He wants to be a "uniter not a divider."

How about "mission accomplished"?

How about the "Clear skies initiative"? Ever been downwind of one of the coal-fired plants that should have been cleaned up but now doesn't have to be because of the "Clear skies initiative"?

How about less government, not more in our lives?
It reminds me of the old joke - A liberal wants more government in the boardroom and a conservative wants more government in the bedroom. Which do you prefer?

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LiquidCourage
11-12-2004, 02:13 PM
I guess this is a good thing.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/breaking/111204ashcroft.html

shocked60
11-12-2004, 05:18 PM
"Courts are not equipped to execute the law. They are not accountable to the people," Ashcroft said.


Doh! Homer!

And this was the guy in charge of our Justice Department for the last four years!!!???

Of course the courts are not accountable to the people, you fuckwad! It's called checks and balances, and, though I can't admit to knowing exactly what the founding fathers were thinking, I believe this is one reason why the courts were set up this way! So that some power-crazy, war-hungry, stupid fucken liar as president, can't just run roughshod over everything that has kept us here for the last 200+ years.

Man, what a dolt!

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smeagol
11-14-2004, 04:07 AM
Ashcroft, Gonzoles, Bush handled this appropriately and arrived at sound and justifiable conclusions in my opinion.

Torture? give me a break. WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU SEE TORTURE??

What I see is those from the top down are doing an excellent job of hunting down and stomping the Islamo-facist terrorist murderers where they live and breed.

As for Gitmo, Abu "Garab" or whatever, I'll tell you what, bottom line:

1) TOO BAD for those fucks who somehow found themselves identified as OUR ENEMIES during WAR.

2) They got NOTHIN coming to them, as far as I'm concerned. They're ENEMIES, NOT CITIZENS.

3) They have NO "RIGHTS" and they are "ENTITLED" to exactly ZERO.

However - I've got no problem with basic humane treatment. But only cause WE CHOOSE to GIVE IT. For the most part, and as a matter of policy of our great country, they have been treated just fuckin fine it seems to me. Where there have been problems, excesses or abuse, those responsible are being dealt with and that is THAT. We're Americans, as a people we are GOOD to other people, that's how we do things and I am PROUD OF IT.

Where's your GODDAMNED OUTRAGE at the fucking ANIMALS who CUT OFF THE HEADS of THEIR "POWs" for the WORLD to SEE ON VIDEOTAPE?

HUH?

Oh no, though, the BAD GUYS are Ashcroft, Gonzales, Bush. YEAH RIGHT

I AM SO SICK OF THIS BUSH & CO BASHING AND "BLAME AMERICA FIRST" BULLSHIT.


and STILL NO REPONSE to where I asked above in this thread
"Hmmm, any SPECIFICs on this or any other misuse or exploitation of Patriot Act provisions?

substance, evidence, facts. where, when, who, what, why."

TooCute
11-14-2004, 05:56 AM
Islamo-facist terrorist murderers


hee hee

That always cracks me up. Sorry.


Stop listening to Michael Savage :)

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FMJeff
11-15-2004, 08:24 AM
Just to reiterate my original point about Ashcroft, my issue with his tenure as attorney general has nothing to do with the Patriot act. I am offended by his flagrant abuse of the power of his office to prosecute pornographers. The sex industry is as old as civilization itself. It's as much a part of our culture as religion.

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A.J.
11-15-2004, 08:43 AM
My understanding was that most of that effort was to go after the makers and possessors of child porn.

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Doctor Manhattan
11-15-2004, 08:56 AM
Why is the Colin's Out (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/42477/page/Colin_Powell_Out.htm) thread locked (asking people to post here (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/42330/page/Bush_Administration_Second_Term_Moves_Thread.htm))

And when will they update the Department of Justice's web site (http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/index.html)?

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Freebird
11-15-2004, 09:00 AM
The sex industry is as old as civilization itself. It's as much a part of our culture as religion.


FMJeff's got it right.....as long as humans have been having sex, they've been saying "OH GOD!!!"

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A.J.
11-15-2004, 09:13 AM
Why is the Colin's Out thread locked (asking people to post here)

Why do we need to start individual threads about the resignations of those officials who won't be serving in a second Bush term when we already have a "Bush second term" thread? It's just a way to limit the clutter.

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11-15-2004, 09:38 AM
I guess this Ashcroft Resign's thread was started before the W2 second term thread.

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FMJeff
11-15-2004, 09:48 AM
My understanding was that most of that effort was to go after the makers and possessors of child porn.

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You might think so, but no, its not. When I worked in the industry, a large number of our affiliates who dabbled in the more extreme ends of the spectrum were forced to spend thousands defending themselves. See the extreme associates website to see the measures they went through to nail these guys (and still didn't win the subsequent legal battles).

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shocked60
11-15-2004, 06:37 PM
Where's your GODDAMNED OUTRAGE at the fucking ANIMALS who CUT OFF THE HEADS of THEIR "POWs" for the WORLD to SEE ON VIDEOTAPE?


Start a freaking thread about the barbarians who are cutting peoples heads off. This one is about General Ashcroft and the abuses of the Bush Administration.

The point is, we are better than those people so we should be showing it by not stooping to their level. I agree that the abu ghraib scandal was blown out of proportion, but I don't think it has been dealt with at the highest level. They are making the grunts pay for decisions that have been made by guys like Ashcroft and Gonzalez. Whatever happened to "The buck stops here."? With Bush, when he says the buck stops here, he's talking about his wallet, not responsibility.

If you are so sick of Bush Bashing then start a new thread, dipwad. Obviously this thread is about how much we despise Bush and his cronies. Period.

It's not about blame America first. It's about WE ARE FREAKIN BETTER than the people we have running the country right now.

Remember MISSION ACCOMPLISHED??? or how about BRING IT ON????? Tell that to 1000 dead GIs who gave their all for a murky reason. 1000 great Americans who rallied to their nation's cry only to be betrayed by a bunch of BANANA REPUBLICANS who have no idea of what true service to our great country means.

And yes, the bad guys are ASHCROFT, GONZALEZ and BUSH

but they are also ZARQAWI, OSAMA and every other pinhead who thinks they can solve the world's problems with an RPG, a plane full of innocent victims, a 500 lb bomb or an A10.

It just doesn't work that way.

Death brings more death.

No matter how much you wish, you can't kill em all.

And I reiterate - I can bash Bush as much as I want and still believe in America. He and his cronies are a bunch of scumbags who don't care about you, me or that GI dodging bullets.

The whole Blame America First and the Patriotism (you're either with us or against us), they're all red herrings to divert our attention from the rape of our country and the slow erosion of our rights.

Bush sucks.

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smeagol
11-15-2004, 08:21 PM
Nope, not going to start a new thread. I'm going to stay right here and state my opinions any way I like. Just ignore a lowly "dipwad" like me then. lol

In my opinion when I read the words "Ashcroft is gone" I don't see "Obviously this thread is about how much we despise Bush and his cronies. Period."

I'd like to think that discussing the Ashcroft's "legacy", if you will, is valid. A couple of those legacies are the Patriot Act and the whole detainees/enemy combatant thing. And the discussions themselves can contain lots of perspectives right? emotional, intellectual, satirical, inane, outrageous, whatever. Sometimes even personal, but we dipwads have thick skins.

So I'm still here and I challenge you to intellectually back up some of what you claim:
(specifics, substance, evidence, facts, where, when, who, what)

"abuses of the Bush Administration"

"making the grunts pay for decisions that have been made by guys like Ashcroft and Gonzalez"

"WE ARE FREAKIN BETTER than the people we have running the country right now"

"rape of our country and the slow erosion of our rights"

Have you anything but emotion to back these up?

FMJeff
11-15-2004, 08:46 PM
"abuses of the Bush Administration"

"making the grunts pay for decisions that have been made by guys like Ashcroft and Gonzalez"

"WE ARE FREAKIN BETTER than the people we have running the country right now"

"rape of our country and the slow erosion of our rights"

Have you anything but emotion to back these up?




The following is an article from the owner of Extreme Associates describing the witchhunt that tried to take down his business. Bear in mind this was government resources...our tax money...being used to pursue pornographers. PORNOGRAPHERS!



Alright everybody,

I have not spoken in quite some time. Because, quite frankly, there has not been much to say. But, now I will clear the air and tell you exactly what happened so all the bullshit sites can get the facts straight for the first time.

At approximately 9:10 AM Pacific Time Tuesday morning, roughly 47 uniformed federal marshals and postal inspectors from Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania with assistance from the LAPD, served a search and seizure warrant for 4 Extreme Associates and 1 Armageddon Entertainment movie. The movies were:


1. Extreme Teen #24
2. Cocktails #2 - Director's Cut
3. Ass Clowns #3 - Director's Cut
4. 1001 Ways to Eat My Jizz
and last but certainly not least PBS' favorite:
5. Forced Entry

Along with seizing copies of these movies, they seized "sales records, distribution records, invoices, transaction records, records of payments and
deposits, profit/loss and financial statements, records of accounts payable and accounts receivable, expense records, customer lists, employee records, notes, correspondence and other business papers which reflect or relate to the production, advertisement, distribution, and the sale of the films. . ."

There were no arrest warrants. Nobody was arrested. And, Extreme Associates doors are now and will remain open for business selling the fine quality Extreme product that you have grown to love. This will INCLUDE all of the videos which are part of this obscenity investigation as we stand by our product and feel that nothing we have ever produced is obscene. The only thing we may be guilty of is bad taste.

As this is a preliminary investigation, there was nothing more and nothing less. So everyone can cool their jets. And for the record, the complaint
which led to this investigation came out of Pittsburgh, PA and not out of Kentucky and not because of anything any former actress may have said or not said. This had to do with mailing a customer - a private individual - videos which they requested, paid for, and accepted! Now this is where we stand aswe know it and I will expand on more as our attorneys fill me in on the case of;

THE UNITED STATES vs EXTREME ASSOCIATES (that's what the warrant says)!

Now with this official statement out of the way, I can now open up my big fat mouth and give you some of my feelings on the situation. . .

I definitely will not sit here and cry a bunch of tears. Remember when the PBS Frontline special came out (which a number of the inspectors made
reference to when conducting interviews), it was I who challenged law enforcement to come after us for obscenity. So, while some may call this
Karma, I want to remind everyone that I invited this. But, I must say that I feel honored and privileged because I always thought it would be some local law enforcement sanctioned by Deborah Sanchez and the LA Vice Squad (the same people who went after Max and Seymour), but fuck, we had the fucking FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, more than 40 agents, grace us with their presence. Add the money they spent to fly agents from Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, put them up in Los Angeles for a minimum of 10 days (the extent of the warrant), and pay them their significant salaries, plus the unknown future costs (which we have to assume will be at a bill of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TAX PAYER DOLLARS - and,
as this is a FEDERAL CASE that means it's your money no matter which state you

A.J.
11-16-2004, 02:41 AM
1001 Ways to Eat My Jizz

I hear that's the "Citizen Kane" of the porn genre.

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shocked60
11-16-2004, 05:33 AM
"abuses of the Bush Administration"


Yes, I get emotional when I learn about how the Bush Admin says one thing and does another. They have pulled the wool over our eyes with their doublespeak and their behind-the-scenes machinations.





"making the grunts pay for decisions that have been made by guys like Ashcroft and Gonzalez"


By eroding the rights of all people, and this includes people we despise like those held at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, and by endorsing torture, yes torture, please read Gonzalez' findings on his intepretation of the Geneva Conventions, the Bush Admin puts every single GI in danger in Iraq. Can't you see the logic behind the Geneva Conventions which say if we want our POWs treated humanely, we have to do the same?


"rape of our country and the slow erosion of our rights"


By installing corporate cronies to oversee regulatory committees. The old "fox in the hen house rule." Government agencies are there to defend the rights of the people, not corporations. Corps have resources out the ying yang to defend themselves, the average joe has nothing, can't afford a coterie of lawyers and depends on things like the EPA, the FDA and the Communication Committee to defend him. Right now those organizations are being run by people who are dismantling the tools that have been used to protect us.



"WE ARE FREAKIN BETTER than the people we have running the country right now"


How can this quote not be anything but emotional? It's something I feel in my gut. The promise of America as a beacon of freedom is not forced upon people! We lead by example, and right now I don't see Bush and his cronies as leading by example. They lie and cheat and hurt and trample on the rights that have made us strong.

If you want to learn more about this, because I can't quote each and every thing from these books (yes, I read! Ohmyigod, I actually found much of this info in books I have read) - Crimes against Nature, Ghost Wars, Imperial Hubris, House of Bush and House of Saud, Worse than Watergate...yada yada yada...the list is endless.

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Doctor Manhattan
11-16-2004, 05:43 AM
1. Extreme Teen #24
2. Cocktails #2 - Director's Cut

I've seen these on my local video store's shelf. I didn't rent them but now wish I had to see why they pissed off the Government.

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Se7en
11-16-2004, 12:19 PM
I'm sorry, did Jeff post an article written by Rob Black?!?!?!??!

Jesus.

You know, Jeff, you might want to pick a more sympathetic posterboy for your "victims of the Ashcroft witchhunt" argument.

Black is THE definition of a scumbag. Hell, he's suspected of hiring thugs to mutilate a man.

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smeagol
11-16-2004, 04:34 PM
THE UNITED STATES vs EXTREME ASSOCIATES offers no "hard" evidence of abuses, rape of country, erosion of rights by the Bush administration. Falls rather "limp", fails to provide "stiff" reasons...

Obscenity rulings and laws on the books are nothing new:
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The 1973 United States Supreme Court landmark case, Miller v. California, established a three-pronged test for determining whether a "work" (i.e., material or performance) is obscene and, therefore, unprotected by the First Amendment. To be obscene, a judge and/or a jury must determine:

1. That the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest; AND
2. That the work depicts or describes in a patently offensive way, as measured by contemporary community standards, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable law; AND
3. That a reasonable person would find that the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political and scientific value.
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18 USC 1460. Possession with intent to sell, and sale, of obscene matter on Federal property
18 USC 1461. Mailing obscene or crime-inciting matter
18 USC 1462. Importation or transportation of obscene matters
18 USC 1463. Mailing indecent matter on wrappers or envelopes
18 USC 1464. Broadcasting obscene language
18 USC 1465. Transportation of obscene matters for sale or distribution
18 USC 1466. Engaging in the business of selling or transferring obscene matter
18 USC 1467. Criminal forfeiture (in obscenity cases)
18 USC 1468. Distributing obscene material by cable or subscription television
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Sure, the administration has made prosecuting illegal obscenity a priority policy. They make no secret about it.

http://www.usdoj.gov/01whatsnew/safer_america/targetting_obscenity.html


A person may not like the policy, laws or rulings. But they are what they are and American citizens can fight to change laws, or vote someone in with policies they prefer.


Also, FYI, the DOJ under the Clinton Administration from 1992-2000 prosecuted 169 obscenity cases under the above laws and rulings, with 127 convictions as a result. With taxpayer money.


In "short", this Extreme Associates case doesn't prove dick.

FMJeff
11-17-2004, 07:35 AM
I don't understand your arguement Smeagol. Just because laws against obscenity are on the books and were prosecuted under the Clinton Administration doesn't make it right. The scope of this operation is what concerns me here...all to catch a pornographer. Doesn't that strike you as:

A. Excessive
B. Unwarranted
C. Invasive


Maybe the administration should focus all this energy and money on the things that actually matter instead of pandering to the conservatives who wouldn't even buy the product.

Bottom line is people should be allowed to sell pornography regardless of how obscene or sacreligious it is as long as its participants are willing and of legal age.

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smeagol
11-17-2004, 03:58 PM
The simple point is that unless you have ANY SPECIFIC evidence that this case or any other case DID NOT COMPLY with the laws of rulings of America then saying it is excessive, unwarranted, invasive is a purely subjective, emotional viewpoint. Fine, but not convincing in any way.

Further, it seems bias and unsupported. Have you looked at every case under the Clinton Administration and found no similar circumstances ("unwarranted" etc.)?

If you haven't, you should have said so, and not singled out this case in this administration without all the facts.

If you have, then your argument would still be subjective and emotional because I see nothing outside the laws and rulings.

Don't like the laws and rulings then change the laws and leaders.

Still, other that subjective and emotional arguments, I've seen no proof from anyone of abuses, rape of country, erosion of rights, and the like. Very serious accusations and not one scrap of proof.

NOT ONE SCRAP c'mon Bush-bashers where's the beef???

And I'm sorry, Mr. shocked60, but I did challenge you to intellectually back up some of what you claim:
(specifics, substance, evidence, facts, where, when, who, what) and what I saw were still more empty subjective, emotional, accusations.

shocked60
11-17-2004, 04:59 PM
Smeagol: Over the next few days I will try to post what I see as Bush and his cronies "rape" of our country, its natural resources and our historical legacy:

Part One:

Much of the following has been parsed from research done by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his group Riverkeeper.

the Bush administration has initiated more than 200 major rollbacks of America's environmental laws, weakening the protection of our country's air, water, public lands and wildlife. He has done much of this under the guidance of Republican pollster Frank Luntz, who has helped the Bush White House actively hide its anti-environmental program behind deceptive rhetoric, telegenic spokespeople, secrecy and the intimidation of scientists and bureaucrats. George W. Bush had the grimmest environmental record of any governor during his tenure in Texas. Texas became number one in air and water pollution and in the release of toxic chemicals. In his six years in Austin, he championed a short-term pollution-based prosperity, which enriched his political contributors and corporate cronies by lowering the quality of life for everyone else.

Also:

Most freshwater fish in New York and all in Connecticut are now under consumption advisories. A main source of mercury pollution in America, as well as asthma-provoking ozone and particulates, is the coal-burning power plants that President Bush recently excused from complying with the Clean Air Act.

And:

the White House has enlisted every federal agency that oversees environmental programs in a coordinated effort to relax rules aimed at the oil, coal, logging, mining and chemical industries as well as automakers, real estate developers, corporate agribusiness and other industries.

And, even more:

Bush's Environmental Protection Agency has halted work on sixty-two environmental standards, the federal Department of Agriculture has stopped work on fifty-seven standards, and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration has halted twenty-one new standards.

Yes, still more:

Much of the deregulation is being coordinated through the White House Office of Management and Budget under the direction of John Graham. Graham's specialty is promoting changes in scientific and economic assumptions that underlie government regulations -- such as recalculating cost-benefit analyses to favor polluters. Before coming to the White House, Graham was the founding director of the Harvard Center for Risk Analysis, where he received funding from America's champion corporate polluters: Dow Chemical, DuPont, Monsanto, Alcoa, Exxon, General Electric and General Motors.

Lookee here:

The EPA has proposed eliminating 270 enforcement staffers, which would drop staff levels to the lowest level ever.

I know that's a lot to digest in one sitting, so I will refrain until tomorrow.

And yes, I do get emotional when discussing these issues, but I hope I have stressed specifics as you requested.

More to come tomorrow.

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Yerdaddy
11-17-2004, 05:16 PM
Still, other that subjective and emotional arguments, I've seen no proof from anyone of abuses, rape of country, erosion of rights, and the like. Very serious accusations and not one scrap of proof.

Take a break from the self-richeous taunts and ask yourself: Why would anyone want to have this debate with me when I've already started out setting them up as a strawman by distorting their position before they even make it?

Search my name for the last 365 days in the politics forum, then search yours. Where were you?

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shocked60
11-18-2004, 06:15 AM
As promised, here is more info to back up my contention that Bush and his cronies are bankrupting (morally, legally and fiscally) America:

according to a long-awaited report issued by the EPA's inspector general:

"The Bush administration pretended it was going after big energy companies for illegal air pollution but all the while it was undermining the government's suits against the polluters," said John Walke, director of NRDC's clean air project. "This report confirms that top political officials at the agency charged with protecting public health had to have known that they were letting power plants off the hook for pollution that shortens lives and triggers asthma attacks."

cough, cough...

Under previous rules, government lawyers had been successful in forcing companies to reduce 650,000 tons of harmful air pollution over a 10-year period; if the rule had remained unchanged and additional settlements occurred, 2.3 million tons of additional emissions reductions were projected.

John Dean, about President Bush's lies that led up to the war in Iraq:

"Presidential statements are the result of a process, not a moment's thought. White House speechwriters process raw information, and their statements are passed on to senior aides who have both substantive knowledge and political insights. And this all occurs before the statement ever reaches the President for his own review and possible revision...in every White House and administration with which I was familiar, from Truman to Clinton -- statements with national security implications were the most carefully considered of all. The White House is aware that, in making these statements, the President is speaking not only to the nation, but also to the world. far from backpedaling from the President's more extreme claims, Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleischer had actually, at times, been even more emphatic than the President had. For example, on January 9, 2003, Fleischer stated, during his press briefing, 'We know for a fact that there are weapons there.' In addition, others in the Administration were similarly quick to back the President up, in some cases with even more unequivocal statements. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld repeatedly claimed that Saddam had WMDs -- and even went so far as to claim he knew 'where they are; they're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.'"

Of course, many on the right wing are still pissed at John Dean for ratting on their buddy Richard Nixon, who, though he lied and cheated and condoned illegal behavior, is in no way as bad as George Bush, thus the title of Dean's new book "Worse than Watergate."

Will post more soon.



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FMJeff
11-18-2004, 07:02 AM
The simple point is that unless you have ANY SPECIFIC evidence that this case or any other case DID NOT COMPLY with the laws of rulings of America then saying it is excessive, unwarranted, invasive is a purely subjective, emotional viewpoint. Fine, but not convincing in any way.


There are subtleties in the prosecution of the Black case that although fail to violate the laws governing prosecutorial conduct do however display an overzealousness by the administration to rid the country of what it deems inappropriate. The federal government had no case and the charges were dismissed. It did, however, parade a pornographer in front of the public for the proverbial rotten vegetable throwing.

There are many other pornographers who suffered similiar indignities without breaking any law.


Don't like the laws and rulings then change the laws and leaders.


Yeah I tried that in November...didn't really work out.

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shocked60
11-20-2004, 07:34 AM
Smeagol, I know you missed me yesterday, but here my specifics for today:

Vice President Dick Cheney has insisted that criticism of his former company Halliburton is unwarranted and politically motivated. On October 5th, at the vice-presidential debate, Cheney said, "the reason they keep mentioning Halliburton is because they're trying to throw up a smokescreen. They know the charges are false...there's no substance to the charges."1 The FBI isn't so sure.

It was revealed Thursday that "the FBI has expanded its investigation of Halliburton's work in Iraq to determine if the Pentagon improperly awarded no-bid contracts."2 In June it was reported that, according to an Army Corps of Engineer's email, a multi-billion dollar no-bid contract for Halliburton "had been 'coordinated' with the office of Vice President Cheney."3

It has nothing to do with free market capitalism. Cronyism is rampant in the White House.

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shocked60
11-22-2004, 03:31 PM
What happened to smeagol? The minute I started posting specifics, he disappeared...

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