It's looking like Schilling won't be back [Archive]

Davios

10-13-2004, 03:12 PM

I didn't like the fact this guy ran his mouth about shutting up 55,000 fans then putting up a terrible outing, but I wouldn't wish an injury on anyone certainly not at a time like this. As far as getting a brace it did not do him much good yesterday. From all I have heard right now it seems as though he has about a 20% chance of playing another game this season.

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10-13-2004, 03:30 PM

couldn't have happened to a nicer guy

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10-13-2004, 03:32 PM

couldn't have happened to a nicer guy

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10-13-2004, 03:33 PM

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Davios

10-14-2004, 09:05 AM

Officially out for game five, Derek "how lowe can you go" lowe will start just announced by Terry Francona on ESPN.

Iamnotatool

10-14-2004, 09:24 AM

Schilling is a nice guy, and a great teamate. He just happens to speak his mind.

The guy's got heart, no question, so he must be really hurting.

Yankee fans get to slide into the World Series against a wounded foe. How quaint.

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Davios

10-14-2004, 09:47 AM

Hahaha you're going to pull that bullshit injury card?

Has Brown been healthy at any given point this entire season?

Has El Duque been healthy the entire playoffs?

Has Giambi been healthy at all this entire season?

Was the entire Boston lineup wounded last night to the point where they couldn't swing a bat?

What's wrong with Pedro, I imagine he must be injured also because he can't seem to beat the Yankees. Obviously he can't be healthy if he can't win.

You can talk all you like about what a standup guy Schilling is, but he knew exactly how he felt when he preached about shutting up 56,000 yankee fans. The worst aspect of it is the fact that alot of Red Sox players feel they are entitled to make really stupid comments like this and never have to answer for them. Schilling didn't go to the press conference following the game. Why do you think that is? You don't think he knew what an jerkoff he looked like. Damon and Millar spent months bragging about how they had the better team, how come no one asks them about it?

Save your breath, I've heard the same pathetic dogcrap come out of Boston for almost a century.

This message was edited by Davios on 10-14-04 @ 2:03 PM

Tenbatsuzen

10-14-2004, 10:21 AM

I am a huge Yankee fan. This will not be denied.

I hate the Red Sox with every bone in my body. I think they are the biggest scumbags in pro-sports.

HOWEVER...

Curt Schilling is not a bad guy. This is a guy who donates performance bonuses to local charities. He's a standup guy.

I'm sad for Boston fans because of this, BUT c'est la vie.

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Davios

10-14-2004, 10:30 AM

Like I said, I wouldn't wish an injury on anybody. The idea, however, that now the Yankees have a golden ticket straight to the World Series is genuinely a pitiful argument. Every team in the league has injuries, the Yankees included. I wish the Yankees had last year's Kevin Brown, do they? No they don't, it sucks that he isn't healthy but I'm not going to proclaim that as the reason for Boston's possible success. I would sound whiney and bitter.......... Like if I was a Red Sox fan or something.

Iamnotatool

10-14-2004, 10:37 AM

Davios, you ignorant slut.

Is Giambi playing? NO
Has Duque played? NO
Wouldn't Brown be 100% if it wasn't for his dumbass breaking his own dumbass hand? YES

Do the Yankees spend $900million a year on salary to counter these injuries? YES

Shilling did talk big, and I'm sure he had every intention of backing them up, but your ignorant Yankee loving ass is too stupid to actually listen to Shillings whole statement, just the Propoganda that John SuckDick Sterling shoots at you.

Shill was talking about how nice in a playoff game it is to shut the home team down in the 1st and shut out the fans. He then said it would be nice to shut up 55,000 NY'ers. He THEN went on to speak very highly of you ignorant Yankee fans.

Stupid bastards.

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Freakshow

10-14-2004, 10:51 AM

Tool is not a Red Sox fan. This was established a long time ago.

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10-14-2004, 11:29 AM

Schilling....he stinks and I don't like him. Seriously, the guy's a great pitcher, but don't ya think the Sawx should wait till after they beat the Yankees to talk shit?

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10-14-2004, 11:48 AM

Do the Yankees spend $900million a year on salary to counter these injuries? YES
For the love of God, please stop with the salary bullshit...especially as it relates to the Red Sox. Aren't they overall spender #2 in the whole league? Just stop it already, you're wearing deep grooves in that old record & it's boring as hell.

Now, as far as Curt Schilling is concerned, he is one of my favorite all time baseball players. But, he chose to don a navy hat with a red "B" on it, so FUCK HIM. When this series is over for the Red Sox in a few days, I'll go back to being worried about his health & well-being. Especially since I it will heavily impact my fantasy baseball keepers for next season in a few leagues.

And I'm positive Curt Schilling is the kind of player who understands that perfectly well. Many of the Yankee fans who were booing him unmercifully know he's a good guy, but as long as he wears that awful uniform none of them will shed a single tear if they do not see him again this year.

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Iamnotatool

10-14-2004, 12:37 PM

Crips. You're right, they are #2 in payroll. And even they are 50 MILLION DOLLARS less than the Yanks.

Noone's crying for Shilling or Pedro for that matter, about the booing and whatnot. Shit, boo to your hearts content. Thats what you are sposed to do.

I just don't like some, not all, but some ignorant Spankee fans who can't aknowledge a player from another team. Even if it is the Red Sox.

As was stated earlier. I'm not a Yankee fan, OR a RedSox fan. I'm a fucking Met fan. Ugh. My baseball life sucks. However, I do love me some baseball, and love to debate the game, intelligently. Not with ignoramus's. Is that even a word? Would it be ignorami?

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Davios

10-14-2004, 01:18 PM

Has Duque played? NO

Wouldn't Brown be 100% if it wasn't for his dumbass breaking his own dumbass hand? YES

The fact that you're calling other people ignorant and stupid when both of these fucking assumptions are absolutely wrong is absolutely laughable. Duque hasn't played? The man has been nothing but impressive until the start of the damn postseason when he had a tired shoulder and GOT INJURED. The same way Schilling GOT INJURED.

And as far as Brown, wrong again. Brown's inability to pitch well has had nothing whatsoever to do with his hand up to this point. It's his surgically repaired back you arrogant fuck. He's had the problem the entire year, when he can move it he pitches well when he can't he gets drilled. I'm not trying to be a dick, but prior to marching around shouting about idiotic "spankee" ( which is incredibally original by the way) fans get your facts straight.

But why should I expect anything else coming from a guy who stated that Randy Johnson was being shipped to Boston wrapped up with a nice little bow because of something he read on a fan site.

And as far as Schilling being ever so respectful to the Yankees and how I'm being biased due to idiots like John Sterling. I'm sorry I can't respect a guy who felt he was Ted fucking Williams simply because he signed with the Sox. This guy was prancing around Tampa in Spring training with throwback Red Sox Babe Ruth jerseys claiming he was going to reverse the curse blah blah blah. Then proceeding to attend Bruins games with Yankee hater hats. Hey, if you're going to be so confident and act like your king of Red Sox nation then you should answer for your lack of reversing the curse if you will.

This message was edited by Davios on 10-14-04 @ 5:33 PM

Teenweek

10-14-2004, 01:22 PM

You mess with the gods you are done. Pedro is 4 and 18 against the Yankees since he said he wanted to fig up Babe Ruth and drill him in the ass and now Schilling insulted New York and Yankees fans and he hurts his leg.

Don't mess with the force

Iamnotatool

10-14-2004, 01:36 PM

Davios. Congrats, nice post.

I disagree w/ you about Duque, 1st of all. I said he hasn't pitched in the postseason yet this year. Did I miss his start?

Brown was back and pitching ok, maybe not 100%, but certainly better than he is now. Then he went and acted like a fucking child punching walls and breaking his hand. No sympathy there.

Question for you. Should Shilling have just kept his mouth shut when he signed? When reporters ask him about the curse, what should he say? Nah, we ain't gonna beat the Yanks. Bullshit.

Ever hear of Reggie Jackson? He was pretty mouthy when he came to the Yanks too. Granted, he stepped up and is perhaps my FAVORITE player ever. (Yes, me, Mr. Yankee hater)

Maybe Shilling steps up, this year, next year whatever. I got no beef w/ someone answering questions honestly. He does want to be that guy. The guy to help get the Sox over the hump. Unlike ARod, Mussina, Sheffield, even Clemons. All these guys hop on board to try and grab a ring.

I love guys like Jeter, Bernie, Pettite who came up w/ the Yanks. Even if George shit on Pettite, and Bernie, and only paid Jeter his money after he saw where the contracts were heading.

Last but not least, that Randy Johnson trade comment hurt....because its true. Eat me. Noone bats 1.000

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Davios

10-14-2004, 01:51 PM

Listen bro, I've got nothing against ya. I actually enjoy the arguing, I follow baseball pretty closely and its fun. As far as Duque, you said has he played yet not mentioning the postseason at all. Not that I believe that matters, the biggest feather in this guy's cap are his ridiculous postseason carreer numbers. That's what everyone obssesses over Duque about, his proven post season track record.

Brown hasn't pitched well all season really. When he came back off the DL he still didn't pitch like he can. The only time he even remotely looked like Kevin Brown was the first month. He got ripped in his fist start back after the hand because he couldn't move his back. He said it felt like there was steel rod holding it still, an analogy he's reffered to various times already this season. It all depends when he starts, if he can move the back than everything should go well, if not there isn't even a point in pitching him.

I never said Schilling should have been quiet I totally agree that he should be completely confident. But there is a very fine line between confidence and arrogance. In my opinion, Schilling has crossed that line several times. Saying you're going to reverse the curse, that's all good and well. I got no problem with that. Going out and buying a throwback Ruth Boston jersey and wearing Yankee Hater caps is a bit arrogant in my eyes. Especially when you're going to Spring Training press conferences and already claiming you have the better team while clad in that silly getup.

I disagree with you on Sheffield, the man has always wanted to be a Yankee and he's said it various times during his carreer. He's really just fearless and a tough tough dude. On Arod I agreed at the start of the season. Now I fel differently, if you've watched this guy the way he's become immersed in this rivalry is something cool to see. The fact he cares as much as he does, and has busted his butt literally single handedly manufacturing runs shows me something.

And Clemens was always nothing but a hired gun. I never felt he was a Yankee, more like a paid Assasin.

FUNKMAN

10-14-2004, 01:55 PM

everyone else on the RedSox has got to step up in order to get over the Yankee hump... they got Kevin Brown coming in which may get them on their way

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JPMNICK

10-14-2004, 01:58 PM

i would not say that they shit on Petite either. look at his elbow/arm this year. Maybe they knew something and that is why they didn't sign him. I def. miss him as he was one of my favorite pitchers, but it seems like they made a good choice

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Iamnotatool

10-14-2004, 01:59 PM

A Yankee fan calling someone else arrogant?

Granted, maybe you are one of the few, the proud, the Smart Yankee fan.

But there are quite a few pompous asses on the Yanks and in the stands.

Maybe now they all hardline it and say the right thing. But Brown, Sheff, ARod, Posada, all can be cocky fucks.

Bottom line, the difference in this series will NOT be on the field, but rather in the dugout.

Torre has become a legend, a legitimate legend. Francona eats ass.

Sox shoulda hired Sweet Lou.

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Iamnotatool

10-14-2004, 02:01 PM

i would not say that they shit on Petite either. look at his elbow/arm this year. Maybe they knew something and that is why they didn't sign him

Nicky, I don't even necessarily mean when they signed him. That poor bastard was the subject of more trade rumors than anyone in baseball. Yet all he kept doing was being a classic gentleman, and won games consistently. Big games. A buncha game 2's that were vital.

With all the money the Yanks piss away on douchebags like Giambi, other teams Free Agents, George could have easily overspent a little for a Yankee Lifer who saved your seasons many times.

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Davios

10-14-2004, 02:27 PM

I believe Pettitte wanted a pretty long term deal if he did agree to resign, and Cash was ultra worried about the issues he's had with his elbow. I can only imagine the disaster if we actually had resigned Pettitte. Vazquez would have never been signed, granted he hasn't done much the second half but the first he tore it up. Plus in my eyes he is one of the most talented younger pitchers in the league, he's going to rebound big time. Without Vazquez the Yankees would have had Brown, Mussina, and Pettitte on the D.L. the majority of the season. In other words their rotation would consist of leiber and contreras

Iamnotatool

10-14-2004, 02:33 PM

If you were Pettite and the Yanks had been trying to trade you forever, you'd ask for a long term deal too.

In my eyes, for all that guy did for you, being a HUGE part of all those teams, he'd be worth every penny. I'd rather overspend on him then bid against yourself for Giambi and overpay him.

Noone EVER would have complained had they paid Pettite.

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Davios

10-14-2004, 02:37 PM

I think it was definitly the smarter decision to let him go and pick up Vazquez just because I know Vazquez is going to be absolutely fucking unbelievable just from following his entire carreer in Montreal, but from an emotional standpoint I really wish they would have kept him.

JPMNICK

10-14-2004, 02:48 PM

tool- good point. i totally blocked those rumors from my mind, but at the time i did feel bad for him.

he def. did save the season and joe torre's job a few times through the years. he was awesome in the post season and i think liked by most of the guys. def fit in a lot better than brown and loiaza.

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Tenbatsuzen

10-14-2004, 02:54 PM

For what it's worth, Pettite was having marital issues and his wife forced his hand to go home to Texas.

That's why the Yankees didn't go after Petitte. I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees allowed themselves to be painted as "the bad guy".

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Tenbatsuzen

10-14-2004, 02:57 PM

Don't forget, the Red Sox attempted to negotiate with Pettite and offered him a ton of cash, and he blew them off. It was pretty much a done deal he was going back to Houston, anything you hear on WFAN was just hot air.

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Davios

10-14-2004, 03:25 PM

Yeah that's true. Matter of fact Pettitte denied it but the Yankees offered him alot more than Houston, he claimed they didn't. There was an article in I believe the Times about how Pettitte ended up admitting it by mistake in an interview and Yankee brass never commented in order to save Pettitte from having to look bad. Alot of his moving to Houston supposedly did have alot to do with his wife being really pissed, and demanding him to go back home.

shamus mcfitzy

10-14-2004, 10:32 PM

Teenweek

10-15-2004, 02:51 AM

Any Yankee fan that feels that them making the World Series this year will be completely legit is fucking kidding themselves. The Yankees got off easy and I'd at least like to see a fair series as a baseball fan.

The Red Sox are wasting their spot with Schilling out. Without Schilling, the Red Sox miss the playoffs and the A's get a chance (not that they'd probably do anything with it). So sorry if i'm playing the "injury card" but it's the ace of spades at this point.

The SAWX do have a lot of money (yet don't have nearly as much as the Yankees as iamnotatool pointed out) but that doesn't help when you find out a few days before the ALCS that Schilling might be injured. Schilling goes down in even August and it'd be posturing to make a point of it. But its mid-October, a point of no return.

The Yankees won last night no doubt and if the Yankees win in 5 or 4, i think they deserve it. But if the Red Sox win two this weekend with Arroyo, Wakefield, and Lowe (Lowe probably loses just because he's up against Mussina but I think the SAWX win with the first two) on the mound, I think you have to question how legit it is. At least this year there's no matchup in the World Series that can be boring.

The Yankees lost their best pitcher this year in El Duque in the twins series to a dead arm. They lost a 40 homerun, 100 + RBI guy to parasites and a tumor in Giambi and they have Kevin Brown recovering from a broken hand and a bad back so do not give me this bullshit about the yankees not earning it.

How does that explain the Red Sox bats, especially Damon who has done nothing. Every team has injuries, You deal with it. If teh Red Sox can't, they don't belong in this series. Stop the bitching, because no one gives a shit.

shamus mcfitzy

10-15-2004, 03:27 AM

How does that explain the Red Sox bats, especially Damon who has done nothing. Every team has injuries, You deal with it. If teh Red Sox can't, they don't belong in this series. Stop the bitching, because no one gives a shit.

Calm down paco. If you read my reply and got the vibe that I was pissed off about anything then you read it wrong. I admitted that the Yankees won Game 2 hands down and that was very impressive on Lieber's part. Hey, I even said that the Red Sox do in fact have no place in the postseason now without Schilling.

And I do in fact think that a lot of people give a shit about Curt Schilling, a man who will finish with Cy Young votes, missing the rest of the ALCS and maybe the World Series.

El Duque missed one start in the postseason and the Yankees knew he was injured going into the playoffs.

Giambi is a big hit also, but it was in the regular season and somehow I don't think the deflated Giambi was gonna do so well this year (you could blame his weight loss on the parasite I guess).

Kevin Brown is injury prone and the Yankees got him as such. They had to know the guy is not really capable of going a full season anymore without injury. Those three injuries do not make up for Schilling missing at least two starts (because you might as well have trotted Byung-Hyun Kim out there in Game 1) in this series. You can't think that. And I'm willing to admit they totally deserve it if they sweep or win in 5 because it would mean Schilling would've had no effect. I'm not saying the Red Sox are better, I'm merely saying that they and even the Yankees deserve better.

A.J.

10-15-2004, 03:40 AM

It's looking like Schilling won't be back

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mikeyboy

10-15-2004, 12:33 PM

For what it's worth, Pettite was having marital issues and his wife forced his hand to go home to Texas.

Uh...wasn't that just a blind item run in a gossip column in either the NYPost or the Daily News? I have no insight as to whether or not it's true, but I definitely wouldn't report it as fact as you have.

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