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LordJezo
09-22-2004, 09:59 AM
Wow..
Brutal.
The sound alone is enough to make someone feel sick to their stomach.
Give peace a chance my ass!
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I gave it a "thumbs down".
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09-22-2004, 10:03 AM
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JohnnyCash
09-22-2004, 10:03 AM
I saw the Nick Berg video a few months ago. I would never watch anotherone of those again. They are brutal.
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IrishAlkey
09-22-2004, 10:21 AM
I gave it 3 1/2 car bombs.
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badorties
09-22-2004, 10:25 AM
refuse to see any of them, can't stomach things like that ...
not sure why any would wanna ...
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JPMNICK
09-22-2004, 10:37 AM
I saw the Nick Berg video a few months ago. I would never watch anotherone of those again. They are brutal.
I agree. i saw that one, and while i was downloading it i didn't think it would affect me. then i watched it and it did. i have yet to watch another one.
is this one the same style as the other one? or more brutal?
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IrishAlkey
09-22-2004, 10:39 AM
Too much character development...
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LordJezo
09-22-2004, 10:42 AM
is this one the same style as the other one? or more brutal?
It's the worst one yet.. puts the others to shame in terms of pain and suffering and screaming and blood.
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09-22-2004, 11:21 AM
where did you find the video?
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09-22-2004, 11:53 AM
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Reephdweller
09-22-2004, 12:01 PM
I'll take your word for it. I've watched enough of them and I don't need to be any angrier.
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DJEvelEd
09-22-2004, 12:10 PM
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Awful. So awful that I may vote for Bush and change my opinion on the death penalty. Nah...these people need to be tortured badly!!!
I'm not watching any more of these.
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Didn't watch the other ones, don't plan on watching this one.
This stuff just reminds me why we can't just pull our troops out of Iraq now. We need to find these people and remove them from the gene pool.
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09-22-2004, 12:21 PM
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09-22-2004, 12:32 PM
The latest is fucking horrible. Much more gore then the Nick Berg one. Not' a good watch.
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DreamWeaver
09-22-2004, 12:38 PM
The Nick Berg one was disturbing enough. Those screams haunted my head for weeks. I would never watch another one.
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DJEvelEd
09-22-2004, 01:09 PM
The sounds as he gave up his soul still haunt me. Him sitting there crying during the speech did him no good. He could have at least head-butted the scumbag and gone down fighting. If it was me I would just keep trying to fuck up Mr. Arab's little rant by interrupting and rolling around on the floor. Let them beat me to unconsiousness.
If they catch these fucks, they should slowly burn off their balls. Then, grab their mothers and burn off their clits...oh...right.....their clits were cut off years ago. Any society who would cut off a womans clit is obviously backwards and deserve all the pain they get from us.
These videos can change Americans opinions about things and I wouldn't be surprised if our CIA was lopping off heads to drum up more support for the war. AND DONT SAY "not OUR CIA, they would NEVER do that" Yes they would, and they do worse. (I just hope that OUR sick fuckers are torturing THEIR sick fuckers behind the scenes and it all will even out eventually)
What do these people think when Americans see these videos? That we'll be afraid? If these videos can make a Pro-Life Liberal like me wanna kick the shit out of the nearest Arab, imagine how the conservative war mongers feel. HOW STUPID ARE THESE ASSHOLES? These Arabs are animals AND unintelligent which is a bad combo.
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curtoid
09-22-2004, 01:29 PM
What do these people think when Americans see these videos? That we'll be afraid? If these videos can make a Pro-Life Liberal like me wanna kick the shit out of the nearest Arab, imagine how the conservative war mongers feel. HOW STUPID ARE THESE ASSHOLES?
They aren't looking for fear - they are looking for anger. They want your reaction - that's the whole point all along.
Osama and the rest wanted us to bring the war to them, which we did, because it makes their case against us easier to illustrate to the rest.
They wanted a holy war, and they picked the right US President to give it to them.
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2. - Islam: 1.3 billion (and growing)
These Arabs are animals AND unintelligent which is a bad combo.
Are all Protestants to be blamed and hated for what happened in Germany in WW2?
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DJEvelEd
09-22-2004, 01:51 PM
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Are all Protestants to be blamed and hated for what happened in Germany in WW2?
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Not all...
I will clarify:
These PARTICULAR Arabs and ARABS THAT DO THESE KINDS OF THINGS are animals AND unintelligent which is a bad combo.
I favor torture over death for these scumbag Arabs (but not ALL of the scumbag Arabs in the world, only the scumbag Arabs that want to kill us)
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IrishAlkey
09-22-2004, 01:56 PM
The scumbag Arabs that don't want to kill us should just get really bad paper cuts.
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DJEvelEd
09-22-2004, 02:11 PM
Can we put paper cuts in their pee-holes?
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DJEvelEd
09-22-2004, 02:16 PM
How about if we put their front teeth down on a concrete floor and then drag their head across it until you scrape the teeth down to the bloody gums?
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DJEvelEd
09-22-2004, 02:23 PM
How about getting a stinking AIDS Bum to eat alot of fried food and cheeze and then shit in a bucket until it's full. You take a scumbag Arab and drown his head in the bucket of AIDS Bum F‘ces while AIDS Bum bangs the Arabs ass with his warty, scabby, smelly, hairy weeping AIDScock.
This costs like $5.00 at Popeye's in Irvington...
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LordJezo
09-22-2004, 03:05 PM
A link to a page containing a link to the video (http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/0904/092104-armstrong-beheading.htm)
Brutal.
Simply brutal.
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Sheeplovr
09-22-2004, 03:24 PM
not as good as the first single but you know how bands are these days the record company makes them pump out videos
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reeshy
09-22-2004, 03:30 PM
It's the worst one yet.. puts the others to shame in terms of pain and suffering and screaming and blood.
LordJezo, not to bust your balls or anything, but what makes 1 beheading worse than another???? These fucking people are animals and deserve to be exterminated in the worst way possiblle!!!!!
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09-22-2004, 03:41 PM
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badorties
09-22-2004, 03:42 PM
LordJezo, not to bust your balls or anything, but what makes 1 beheading worse than another???? These fucking people are animals and deserve to be exterminated in the worst way possiblle!!!!!
they differ not so much in the act, but how graphically its portrayed ...
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WRESTLINGFAN
09-22-2004, 03:43 PM
What a horrible way to go. I have seen a majority of them, Those fuckers have no regard for human life.
FIRE SATHER!!!!!!!
reeshy
09-22-2004, 03:58 PM
not as good as the first single but you know how bands are these days the record company makes them pump out videos
You are one fucked up little boy....If you think that's funny...fuck you , Sheepy...you crossed the line on this one!!!!
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DJEvelEd
09-22-2004, 04:21 PM
Let's put a hot curling iron up an Arab's ass and turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...turn it on for 10 minutes...turn it off for 10 minutes...
repeat...
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09-22-2004, 05:05 PM
i gave it two camels and a turbin...
fucking humps
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09-22-2004, 05:33 PM
Thankfully, the video isn't working for me. I can't believe people can do this.
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Johnny Fontane
09-22-2004, 05:43 PM
I'm not watching, but describe it.
We should just leave that stupid country - fuck their "freedom," who cares. I support the war ONLY to the extent that it may have alleviated a threat to the U.S. It's done, fuck 'em. Let them worry about their own infrastructure. It's ALWAYS going to be insanity in that part of the world - you can't change that. These fucking Muslims don't have the common sense to relax and jerk off. They live to make trouble because they have NOTHING ELSE TO DO.
And anyone who goes to Iraq to "make a difference" should probably just stay home and play Russian roullette. Sometimes you just have to have the common sense to be scared.
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reeshy
09-22-2004, 05:44 PM
I noticed that everone thinks that's it funny.....I don't think so!!!!
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keithy_19
09-22-2004, 05:46 PM
I will, and could never watch any of these video's.
Unless it's an American chopping off one of these douche bags head. And to anyone who thinks that's bad, think it. These bastards started it with their extreme view of their religion. You can not negotiate with these animals.
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WRESTLINGFAN
09-22-2004, 06:03 PM
I hope they catch those scumbags and torture them beyond imagination. They are not members of a foreign army so the geneva convention does not apply.
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LordJezo
09-22-2004, 06:06 PM
It's the worst one yet.. puts the others to shame in terms of pain and suffering and screaming and blood.
LordJezo, not to bust your balls or anything, but what makes 1 beheading worse than another???? These fucking people are animals and deserve to be exterminated in the worst way possiblle!!!!!
And the sound in this one is the killer. The other ones were just silent with not much screaming. This one as they are sawing his head off he is screaming to high hell, and keeps screaming and crying so loudly as those fucks keep on cutting and holding his head down.
I will never be able to understand how they are able to do that to someone and be able to hold their own stomachs down ...
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09-22-2004, 06:21 PM
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JPMNICK
09-22-2004, 06:24 PM
I still can not bring myself to watch this thing. i am such a pussy
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honestly why in gods name would you post something. Some asshole in Iraq kills an American and you have the balls to ask What do you think of the new beheading video? I think Its not worth t posting about. What's there to think about some savage animal beheading one of our own? Look man Im not a thinker before I post but think about it , was it necessary to post what you think about it? Im not saying to pray or anything but keep your thoughts with the family of this victim
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09-22-2004, 06:53 PM
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fluffernutter
09-22-2004, 07:10 PM
As sick as a motherfucker I can be and I love me some gore I realise that the likes of the films of that genre I watch is not real.
Maybe I should give myself a dose of this reality of what goes on over in that part of the world and then again maybe not. I cannot see why anyone would want to view this. Just reading the descriptions by those whom have posted before me is enough to make me absolutely sick.
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Iamnotatool
09-22-2004, 07:26 PM
Settle down Reeshy, you're gonna pop a nugget.
Sheep didn't behead this guy, just a little uncomfortable humor. Settle down, Beavis.
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LordJezo
09-23-2004, 03:11 AM
honestly why in gods name would you post something. Some asshole in Iraq kills an American and you have the balls to ask What do you think of the new beheading video? I think Its not worth t posting about. What's there to think about some savage animal beheading one of our own? Look man Im not a thinker before I post but think about it , was it necessary to post what you think about it? Im not saying to pray or anything but keep your thoughts with the family of this victim
I'm posting it because I think that people need to see this video to see the true evil of the enemy we are facing. The news wont show this kind of stuff and the UN is trying to tell people that us poking a few naked prisoners is as bad as kidnappers doing this kind of stuff to our people.
There can't be that kind of comparison. We take the people who break the law and punish them. These guys brutally murder innocent people and are praised in their religion as saviors against the opressive americans. The videos make me sick but sitting around here in a nice chair on a safe message board isn't helping much in understanding the insanity that we face over there.
The six megabyte video shows Armstrong facing the camera, sitting on the floor, wearing a blindfold and an orange jumpsuit, arms bound behind his back. Behind him stand a group of five black-clad terrorists wearing hoods and carrying weapons. One of the men reads a lengthy statement in Arabic for the camera. At the end of the statement, the terrorists lean down to hold Armstrong while the man who read the statement begins to cut Armstrong's throat with a knife.
Armstrong screamed horribly as blood began to gush from his throat. He struggled in vain against the brutal attack, but within moments his body grew still as his murderer continued to hack against the rent flesh of his neck.
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earthseawitch
09-23-2004, 05:15 AM
I saw the video this morning. I had hoped the beheadings were more humane, quick and next to painless perhaps. How horrendously idealistic of me.
Unfortunately, while I can understand the idea of why these terrorists do this (they believe that in doing these beheadings, they communicate a certain message), I cannot understand why they would do this to people who are not there to fight with them. These people are not soldiers. I know that in the mind of these very sick individuals that all Americans, Britons, Italians, etc. are all invaders and threaten their way of life (if one can call it life of any form), and that they will take "our" lives, one by one, if they have to.
I think now all we can do now for the hostages who are still under the threat of having their lives taken from them in such a brutal way is:
1. Keep their families in mind, for their pain will far outweigh anything we will ever know.
2. Pray (in whatever manner we know how) that the hostages find the strength (physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually) to face whatever uncertain future may befall them - to fight these horrific beings, in whatever way they can.
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INFOSTUD
09-23-2004, 07:41 AM
Unbelieveable. They didn't execute that guy they butchered him. After seeing that I'm almost proud about the prison abuse.
Just kill everyone in Iraq no questions asked. Interrogate them; find where the rest of the terrorist hives are; kill them--and repeat until everyone is dead.
Iraq should be a US terrority with missiles aimed at every other Muslim nation.
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mdr55
09-23-2004, 08:11 AM
Why are people even watching this stuff?? By viewing the videos give credence to the terrorist. And that's what they want. So if you watch any of the beheading videos....guess what? The terrorist win.
DJEvelEd
09-23-2004, 08:31 AM
The terrorist win.
The terrorists won when we started posting teenagers with big machine guns at train stations and other public places. What is a nineteen year old gonna do when a suicide truck bomb drives up to the Pavonia Newport Mall and detonates. THEY'RE GONNA POINT THE GUNS AT YOU AND ME!!!
I thought hiding under a school desk during the cold war to protect from a nuclear strike was a joke. This is just plain "police state" retardation.
George Bush allowed the terrorists to attack us and win.
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09-23-2004, 08:47 AM
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Yerdaddy
09-23-2004, 09:34 AM
UN is trying to tell people that us poking a few naked prisoners is as bad as kidnappers doing this kind of stuff to our people.
What the fuck are you talking about? 1. Where has the UN weighed in on Abu Ghraib? 2. The prison abuse scandal involves rapes, torture and dozens of deaths. Apparently you condemn that behavior only when it's done by Muslims?
These guys brutally murder innocent people and are praised in their religion as saviors against the opressive americans.
Bullshit! I've seen nothing but condemnation of the kidnappings and beheadings from clerics in Iraq. Prove your claim or withdraw it.
The videos make me sick but sitting around here in a nice chair on a safe message board isn't helping much in understanding the insanity that we face over there.
That's for sure.
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LordJezo
09-23-2004, 10:19 AM
UN is trying to tell people that us poking a few naked prisoners is as bad as kidnappers doing this kind of stuff to our people.
What the fuck are you talking about? 1. Where has the UN weighed in on Abu Ghraib? 2. The prison abuse scandal involves rapes, torture and dozens of deaths. Apparently you condemn that behavior only when it's done by Muslims?
Your lord and master Kofi Annan earlier this week:
In Iraq, we see civilians massacred in cold blood, while relief workers, journalists and other non-combatants are taken hostage and put to death in the most barbarous fashion. At the same time, we have seen Iraqi prisoners disgracefully abused.
He put them in the same sentence and made no comment about how they were worlds apart in terms of the crimes commited. You go love your UN. I'll love the American a-bombs if someone grows balls to use them. And the difference is we are arresting the people involved in the prison scandals and they are getting justice. Over there the scum bag sub-humans are getting people dancing in the streets for their actions.
These guys brutally murder innocent people and are praised in their religion as saviors against the opressive americans.
Bullshit! I've seen nothing but condemnation of the kidnappings and beheadings from clerics in Iraq. Prove your claim or withdraw it.
The DVD is a top seller. (http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1017799,00050004.htm) Looks like it is what the people want to see! How about all the celebrations when the American's are killed? These guys are expecting Heaven and for killing the Americans it is what they are going to get, at least in their minds. Just because a couple of rouge clerics hijacked this religion and claim it to be peaceful does not mean that it's roots are not in destruction and jihad.
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TheMojoPin
09-23-2004, 10:25 AM
Your lord and master Kofi Annan
You go love your UN. I'll love the American a-bombs if someone grows balls to use them.
Jesus Christ.
That was like 18 shades of crazy.
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silera
09-23-2004, 10:34 AM
You, your faulty logic, and selective reading comprehension are the reason that shit like this happens.
These incidents are not happening in a bubble. There are root causes and disastrous repercussions to all of our actions. If anything 9-11 should have taught us that. Instead, let's keep making blanket generalizations and think up futile reactionary and reflexive methods of "winning."
No one wins with intolerance, ignorance, or vengeance.
That you have the ability to view these beheading without censorship and choose to is your decision. Anger and outrage are appropriate responses. However, statements such as
"Just because a couple of rouge clerics hijacked this religion and claim it to be peaceful does not mean that it's roots are not in destruction and jihad."
make you just as guilt of fueling the fire of intolerance and absolutes that feeds into terrorism.
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ToxicGarden
09-23-2004, 10:39 AM
Apparently you condemn that behavior only when it's done by Muslims?
Yep.
When we do it, it's funny and cute.even KILLING those nice innocent prisoners in abu gharaib is kinda funny.
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09-23-2004, 10:39 AM
I can't bring myself to watch them.
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09-23-2004, 10:45 AM
Apparently you condemn that behavior only when it's done by Muslims?
Yep.
When we do it, it's funny and cute.even KILLING those nice innocent prisoners in abu gharaib is kinda funny.
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09-23-2004, 10:47 AM
As Pat Buchanan (Spy Magazine's "Sexiest Man Alive - 1992") recently said, "They do not hate us because of who we are, but what we have done. Osama Bin Laden didn't stumble across the bill of rights in a cave and go bananas."
It's scary that we have reached a day and time when Pat Buchanan is a voice of sanity in the midst of the newly trendy socially accepted racism that has oozed across this country in the last 3 years.
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LordJezo
09-23-2004, 10:49 AM
Your peaceful Koran that you guys seem to love and nurture so much over the American right to defend it's self and crush those who wish to harm us (http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html)
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TheMojoPin
09-23-2004, 10:54 AM
Who are these phantom people you keep railing against here?
That was a pretty shitty site to use to back up your blanket condemnations. While it points out the flaws in many modern Islamic interpretations, its overall theme is one of understanding between Christians and Muslims.
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silera
09-23-2004, 10:59 AM
Idiot.
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Furtherman
09-23-2004, 11:21 AM
The men killing these hostages are our enemy, true. But why are they our enemy?
They were not kidnapping Americans, Britions, Frenchmen, or people from Nepal! before Bush sent in the troops to Iraq.
Would these insurgent uprisings be happening if we stayed were we belong - hunting Al Queda and Bin Laden in the mountains of the Afghan-Pakistan border? Think about that.
Edit: And don't insult my intelligence or make yourself look any dumber by blaming it on the religion of Islam.
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LordJezo
09-23-2004, 11:46 AM
They were not kidnapping Americans, Britions, Frenchmen, or people from Nepal! before Bush sent in the troops to Iraq.
Edit: And don't insult my intelligence or make yourself look any dumber by blaming it on the religion of Islam.
Okay. I'll just blame it on Bush like you.
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09-23-2004, 11:50 AM
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Furtherman
09-23-2004, 11:54 AM
Okay. I'll just blame it on Bush like you.
Welcome to the real world, Neo.
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ToxicGarden
09-23-2004, 12:23 PM
I blame Perrynoid & The Cosmic Circus dot com for all of the hate in the world.
Americans were hated, disrespected, held against their will and killed wayyyy before George W. Bush.
Vote the hick out of office and let Kerry fuck the world up for 4 yrs..
maybe if we are lucky, the entire planet will explode befor 2005.
KICK BUSH OUT OF OFFICE
silera
09-23-2004, 12:36 PM
Americans were hated, disrespected, held against their will and killed wayyyy before George W. Bush.
After 9-11, GWB managed to squander world empathy to levels of hatred and disrespect that I don't think America has ever had to endure.
We are quite frankly, not respected in the international community, and I wouldn't care if it weren't for the fact that because we "don't need anyone" we alone have shouldered the 100billion plus cost of this fruitless war.
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Iamnotatool
09-23-2004, 01:49 PM
You, your faulty logic, and selective reading comprehension are the reason that shit like this happens.
These incidents are not happening in a bubble. There are root causes and disastrous repercussions to all of our actions. If anything 9-11 should have taught us that. Instead, let's keep making blanket generalizations and think up futile reactionary and reflexive methods of "winning."
No one wins with intolerance, ignorance, or vengeance.
That you have the ability to view these beheading without censorship and choose to is your decision. Anger and outrage are appropriate responses. However, statements such as
"Just because a couple of rouge clerics hijacked this religion and claim it to be peaceful does not mean that it's roots are not in destruction and jihad."
make you just as guilt of fueling the fire of intolerance and absolutes that feeds into terrorism.
Damn, she's a fox, AND she knows her shit.
LordJezo, I respect your opinion, but, as Silera says, you are an
Idiot.
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09-23-2004, 01:57 PM
Americans were hated, disrespected, held against their will and killed wayyyy before George W. Bush.
After 9-11, GWB managed to squander world empathy to levels of hatred and disrespect that I don't think America has ever had to endure.
We are quite frankly, not respected in the international community, and I wouldn't care if it weren't for the fact that because we "don't need anyone" we alone have shouldered the 100billion plus cost of this fruitless war.
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DJEvelEd
09-23-2004, 02:23 PM
Are you forgeting about Iraq and that we also have Saddam.
Terrorist-1
Bush-1
Do you believe that Saddam is a terrorist?
Is Saddam the reason there are Army Guards at Pavonia/Newport Mall with machine guns now?
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Iamnotatool
09-23-2004, 02:26 PM
He is one of the reason's abosolutely.
And Ed, don't kid yourself into believing that Kerry, or any other President wouldn't have gone into Iraq if they were in office.
Perhaps it would have been handled differently, sure. I'm no fan of Georgie W., not by any means, but don't act like Saddam is innocent.
Nigga Please.
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DJEvelEd
09-23-2004, 02:29 PM
Answer my questions:
1) Do you believe that Saddam is a terrorist?
2) Is Saddam the reason there are Army Guards at Pavonia/Newport Mall with machine guns now?
Thats all...
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SatCam
09-23-2004, 02:29 PM
All that matters is that it happened. It doesn't matter if they were trying to start something. It doesn't matter if they were trying to get revenge for something. I think you guys are straying away from the real point emphesized earlier in this thread.
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09-23-2004, 02:31 PM
Sadaam is a terrorist. he terrorized people living in his own country, the Kurds, and the Kuwaiti's.
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DJEvelEd
09-23-2004, 02:36 PM
I guess since he never terrorized me personally, I never really considered him a terrorist. Surely the Kurds do. The people that terrorized ME seemed to have gotten away with it though. So I still say the terrorists won!
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DarkHippie
09-23-2004, 02:39 PM
He is one of the reason's abosolutely.
And Ed, don't kid yourself into believing that Kerry, or any other President wouldn't have gone into Iraq if they were in office.
Perhaps it would have been handled differently, sure. I'm no fan of Georgie W., not by any means, but don't act like Saddam is innocent.
you know, you're probably right. But i think the fault doesn't lie with us ousting Saddam, but how we did it. If we had supported a revolt from within, put an Iraqi face on the invasion, It would have gone smoother. The iraqi's rail against us because we're nothing like them, but we control everything. They feel like they've been colonized (of which they have a history of) All good revolutions come from within, not without.
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Iamnotatool
09-23-2004, 02:42 PM
If the Iraq'is had the brains OR the balls to revolt, they'da done it by now. They don't, we did.
We did ourselves a favor. If I was gonna do anything differently, I'da killed his ass and say he tried to struggle when we were arresting him.
That's really all the American people wanted, someone to blame 9-11 on. We don't really give a fuck about Iraq, or Iraq'is, we just like their oil.
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Iamnotatool
09-23-2004, 02:44 PM
ED
1) You bet your shit loving ass he's a terrorist.
2) He's one of the reason's the guards are at the gay little mall you use to pick up young boys.
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LordJezo
09-23-2004, 03:40 PM
Okay. I'll just blame it on Bush like you.
Welcome to the real world, Neo.
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TheMojoPin
09-23-2004, 03:53 PM
Bush=America?
Or just disrespect for the office? Because if that's the case, the entire GOP were treasonous traitors from 1992-2000.
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FUNKMAN
09-23-2004, 04:40 PM
can you differentiate between the US killing the American Indian and Saddam killing the Kurds?
at face value i don't see a difference...
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mdr55
09-23-2004, 04:48 PM
[quote]can you differentiate between the US killing the American Indian and Saddam killing the Kurds?
at face value i don't see a difference...
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TheMojoPin
09-23-2004, 04:49 PM
You lost me.
The treatment of the American Indians, horrible as it was, was at least ultimately over "something"...the actual physical country itself. I'm not saying it was right, or somehow justified...but there was always that one overall reasoning.
With the Kurds (Khurds?), it was basically "kill them just because they're Kurds," and there was no longterm, lasting gain that could come out of it for the people doing the killing.
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mdr55
09-23-2004, 04:52 PM
We killed the Native Americans because they're Indian! Duh! Savages.
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09-23-2004, 04:57 PM
We killed them because we thought they were indians. If we had known they were Native Americans, we would've given them our best land and let them corrupt us with casinos.
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09-23-2004, 05:32 PM
The treatment of the American Indians, horrible as it was, was at least ultimately over "something"...the actual physical country itself. I'm not saying it was right, or somehow justified...but there was always that one overall reasoning.
With the Kurds (Khurds?), it was basically "kill them just because they're Kurds," and there was no longterm, lasting gain that could come out of it for the people doing the killing.
Saddam launched the Anfal campaign against the Kurds because they had been rebelling against rule by the series of Sunni governments in Baghdad since the inception of the country. They had used the Iran-Iraq war as an opportunity to step up operations to secede from Iraq, and one of the major Kurdish group may have actually worked with the Iranian government. When the war ended Saddam's cousin Ali Hassan al-Majid led a series of military operations against the Kurds that lasted between February and September, 1988. It was repugnant, but the motivation was not that much different than the reasons we nearly wiped out the Indians - they were in our way.
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09-23-2004, 05:34 PM
Alright, fair enough.
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Yerdaddy
09-23-2004, 05:38 PM
Although it should be said, the comparison has a variety of problems.
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FUNKMAN
09-23-2004, 05:40 PM
You lost me.
The treatment of the American Indians, horrible as it was, was at least ultimately over "something"...the actual physical country itself. I'm not saying it was right, or somehow justified...but there was always that one overall reasoning.
With the Kurds (Khurds?), it was basically "kill them just because they're Kurds," and there was no longterm, lasting gain that could come out of it for the people doing the killing.
treatment of the American indian 'as horrible as it was'?
i happen to think this was worse, it was for greed, for land and resources which brings power and wealth
saddam or chemical ali began to kill kurds during a time of war and the kurds were basically on the side of Iran. yes, they killed to an extreme but so did the US
all i'm saying is we look like 'hypocrites' and we want to have our cake and eat it too... this is probably one of the reasons for the hatred... we invaded their land and they may look at it as for 'greed and wealth' with respect to the oil and the re-building... and there may be some truth in it and there are some people who will just not lie down and let it happen without a fight...
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Yerdaddy
09-23-2004, 07:01 PM
saddam or chemical ali began to kill kurds during a time of war and the kurds were basically on the side of Iran.
I didn't say that. The Kurds had always wanted independence, had fought for independence off and on throughout the country's existance, and might have collaberated with Iran during the war, (I've seen differing accounts on this from both Kurdish and non-Kurdish sources).
Like I said, I don't like the comparison; the US genocide against Native Americans was a different era, greater duration, greater scale, different cultures, and more importantly, these are both extremely complex subjects that just shouldn't be reduced to that kind of political tool.
I don't think we are also the same country we were back then.
But, at the same time, we are the country that condoned the Anfal campaign of genocide against the Kurds while, and for the next couple years after it happened, with many of the same people who made those decisions back then making the decision to invade now. That fact, and the encoraging and abandoning the Shiite uprisings after the first Gulf War weighs much more heavily on the contempt and mistrust the Iraqis have for us right now. Then there's good old fashioned nationalism. The endless stream of polls conducted in Iraq demonstrate that Iraqi nationalism is probably more powerful an ideal than religious and ethnic allegiences. It may not be enough to keep the factions from fighting and possibly splitting apart, but it is probably the most important sentiment in resisting the occupation, (in terms of public opinion, not in actual armed resistance which is probably more complicated and less quantifiable than public opinion is).
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DeltaPin
09-23-2004, 07:31 PM
I haven't watched any of them & most likely never will.
reeshy
09-23-2004, 07:36 PM
The thread was originally about beheadings....can we all agree that beheading is wrong...nobody stays on thread anymore!!!
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mdr55
09-23-2004, 07:51 PM
I hope they don't behead those Simona girls.
Why don't we fight fire with fire and the world court be damn. An eye for an eye. You behead a person....we behead one of yours.....Saddam can you come here for a second.
FUNKMAN
09-23-2004, 08:01 PM
I didn't say that
and i didn't say you did... i said it and formulated my opinion from articles i read...
a 'different time' means nothing to me when you say we were a different country back then... what is wrong back then is still wrong today
and yes reeshy, beheadings of innocent hardworking people is wrong but you don't see Bush or his daughters walking the streets of Iraq or any of the others at the top of his administration or their familys
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mdr55
09-23-2004, 08:05 PM
and yes reeshy, beheadings of innocent hardworking people is wrong but you don't see Bush or his daughters walking the streets of Iraq or any of the others at the top of his administration or their familys
I know the US doesn't negotiate with terrorist, but suppose one of the BUSH girls were captured by the terrorist....do you think BUSH would try to negotiate?? It's easy to say no when it's not your family.
Yerdaddy
09-23-2004, 09:25 PM
I didn't say that
and i didn't say you did...
I know. I just wanted to clarify the difference from what I did say.
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FMJeff
09-23-2004, 09:57 PM
i know this sounds like the worst idea ever but maybe we should start beheading muslims until muslims stop beheading us....
maybe its the only thing these terrorists understand...fight bloodshed with bloodshed...
let them hear thier people beg for thier lives as the blood curdling screams echo in a dirty room as thier heads are being cut off.....
i absolutely hate these people...terrorists...not muslims...
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reeshy
09-23-2004, 11:49 PM
and yes reeshy, beheadings of innocent hardworking people is wrong but you don't see Bush or his daughters walking the streets of Iraq or any of the others at the top of his administration or their familys
AND?????
I made a simple statement...beheadings are wrong!!!!!!! No materr who does them and for what evever purpose...SIMPLE!!!
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Sheeplovr
09-24-2004, 01:26 AM
These fucking people are animals and deserve to be exterminated in the worst way possiblle
oh you mean Beheading
you feel exaclty how they feel
what oh no your what you hate oh no what to do ohhh lets get mad more
How come everoyne onyl cares when theres a video of americans beheaded but don't care abotu beheadings and executions of people from other countrys in iraq is it cause tis not on the news?
or your too busy declairing america better then everyone else
There is betwen 12,800 min and 14,843 max Civillian Deaths in Iraq.
I don't understand how the same bunch of you can be liek bla bal they have o regarde for human life but then you turn aroudn and are liek yeah bomb them so when its not a personal hand to hand attack its okay
This Selectrive rage doenst make sence
and if let say for the hell of it Aliens invaded earth because they said our wars are a threat to the universe but you dont agree and your wife or children are missing you dont know where the aliens put them oh look you jsut captured 3 aliens now you make a video tape demending them to release your wife or children
they dont do it
what do you do
you'd cut the aliens head off and fuck it in the eye hole i know i would i liek me some good alien eye hole sex
but you don't care
lets keep on fighting
lets not find out what can be the compramize
or lets get some peopel who knwo what there dooing and not a bunch of 20year olds in charge of how the money is spent and rebuild the important thigns hospitles water systems sewage and electricy then not Force a fake election to keep the guy we put in charge to stay incharge then keep a open talk with the people forever
it woudl be nice if we had open talk with our government but i guess we gotta outsuarce that maybe we can set up phone banks in india to handle forein policy
and back to the beginging We are there enemy they arnt serial killers goign down the street rubbing ther cocks being like oh yeah im so ganna cut that guys head off
Its Captile punishment over there what if instead they jsut injected them with windex woudl you be okay with that?
there not happy to do it
they do it cause its what they think is the only way we will listen and guess what it is
cause look at the big stink
but then we do listen and angry mooks like yall go well we should rape there motheres and ligh there hair on fire
bolths sides is dumb
callign them animals while they call us animals isn't goign to do anything
no ones listening no one wants ot think what causes actions
everyone wants to call the girl a slut and not ask her what happend to her as a kid did her bad uncle touch her or did she get gang raped and everyon calls her a slut but she really didnt do anything
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It just doesn't make sence how you just don't see We are There Enemy to Were not the good guys to them Were not the good guys to most of the world what do you do to the bad guys They do what you all want to do to them Kill
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DJEvelEd
09-24-2004, 02:28 AM
I'm slowly learning alot here. I guess the rationale is that Native Americans and Black slaves considered the United States government terrorist.
Fair enough...I feel the government terrorizes potheads too.
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silera
09-24-2004, 04:22 AM
I just perfectly understood a Sheepy post.
He is the voice of reason.
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Reephdweller
09-24-2004, 05:08 AM
I totally agree with Sheepy on this. However I have to wonder if it's just human nature, or rather more primitive than that. In that we still live by the caveman clan mentality of where we take care of, and care for our own. I say that because I'm sure when Americans are getting beheaded that people in other countries aren't all crying for us either. Or to put it another way, when a French or Italian or Japanese or whoever guy is killed, there isn't someone in another country other than their own who's getting upset about it. I mean I know that when people in other countries are killed I personally feel bad. I felt very bad after that train bomb in Spain. But I don't get as angry as when it happens to one of our own Americans. I think that's common in a lot of folks. Not everyone, but I am absolutely certain that there are people in this world in great abundance who only seem to care when it's one of their own who gets it.
I don't think it's right, but I am guilty of it myself. I tend to think a lot more globally than people I work with and with some of my friends, and at times it makes me wonder if I'm the only one who thinks about the genocide happening in other parts of the world. I think about the terror in Russia, and Chechnya, about the massacre at the school.
Which brings up a good point. When that Russian school was under siege about a week or two ago. I noticed that the American media continuously referred to the victims in the sense of "There are over 100 bodies found so far". No where did I hear or read them say children's bodies. It's almost as if the American media separated itself from the human aspect of the situation, as if their tragedy wasn't nearly as heart wrenching as Columbine. I think in that respect it's an example of how not only we as a society, but also the media think not so much about the world as a whole, but rather about what is going on locally. I was actually more concerned about the news portrayal of that story than the actual tragedy.
Will we all someday around the world begin to see the bigger picture and think on a grander scale? I don't think so. I think it's one of the chief reasons why as a human race we will never progress. The answers to many of our problems are right in front of us but we're too clouded by the trees in the forest and our own personal political, religious, and whatnot beliefs to make that leap.
(when I say we, I mean we as a society and the world at large, I'm conscious that there are many of you as I am who think bigger and are beyond that, but overall we're a minority to a world of close minded centrally thinking people in all walks of life.)
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Furtherman
09-24-2004, 06:36 AM
More like the crazed liberal democratic america hating underground all you hippies live in.
Well I'll be damned; it actually was possible for you to sound dumber.
Your mind is wielded shut.
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LordJezo
09-24-2004, 06:58 AM
More like the crazed liberal democratic america hating underground all you hippies live in.
Well I'll be damned; it actually was possible for you to sound dumber.
Your mind is wielded shut.
And by you supporting a website that wants americans killed to teach gwb a lesson and that celebrates when our soldiers are killed because we are war mongers shows that your mind is so far left field you should be tossed out of the country along with the rest of the treasonous morons over there.
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mikeyboy
09-24-2004, 06:59 AM
Everybody -- keep it to the issues and cut out the personal attacks.
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Furtherman
09-24-2004, 07:01 AM
And by you supporting a website that wants americans killed to teach gwb a lesson and that celebrates when our soldiers are killed because we are war mongers shows that your mind is so far left field you should be tossed out of the country along with the rest of the treasonous morons over there.
Please point out to me where I supported "a website that wants americans killed to teach gwb a lesson and that celebrates when our soldiers are killed because we are war mongers"
While you at it, tell us what is wrong with "the left field".
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TheMojoPin
09-24-2004, 08:28 AM
i know this sounds like the worst idea ever but maybe we should start beheading muslims until muslims stop beheading us....
The problem with eye for an eye is when one side shows they really don't give a damn HOW many eyes they lose.
Look how many Iraqis have been killed in terrorist strikes. Some are targeted solely at THEM. That seems to indicate the terrorists supposedly "fighting for" Iraq really don't give a damn how many Arabs or Iraqis or Muslims ultimately get killed. So us engaging in eye for an eye isn't going to effect them at all, actually just give their bullshit causes even more propoganda, and turn even more of the world against us. It's lose-lose-lose all the way around for is, and just indicative of how poorly planned this whole thing has been. We have no breathing room and little to no options.
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Furtherman
09-24-2004, 08:35 AM
And by you supporting a website that wants americans killed to teach gwb a lesson and that celebrates when our soldiers are killed because we are war mongers shows that your mind is so far left field you should be tossed out of the country along with the rest of the treasonous morons over there.
Please point out to me where I supported "a website that wants americans killed to teach gwb a lesson and that celebrates when our soldiers are killed because we are war mongers"
Hello? I didn't think so.
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curtoid
10-12-2004, 09:41 AM
Why do people watch these videos? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3733996.stm)
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Justice4all
10-12-2004, 01:05 PM
I've yet to see any.
Smart girl...you'll sleep better at night.
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FUNKMAN
10-12-2004, 01:43 PM
tough to watch but my instincts tell me to watch it at least once to see the reality that these people are living in... possibly a small step if the direction of understanding the root cause for the deep hatred
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