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curtoid
09-15-2004, 10:31 AM
There is plenty of outrage and phony anger out there - from both sides. But how much of it is from real, hardcore issues and how much of it is simply partisan politics, that has been deeply rooted because of blind hatred for Bush and Clinton?

The cowardly Democrats are willing to forgive the hawkish behavior of Kerry and some of the other on left, if it means getting rid of Bush, while the ball-less Republicans fall in line ignoring how much Bush is really spending (and where the money is really going to - and WHY it's going to where it's going) if it means keeping control. Never mind that Bush's numbers add up to one TRILLION more than the amount he slammed Kerry with during his convention (you remember - the lap dogs hypocrites screamed and hooted when he mentioned the Kerry price tag).

How much more interesting had this election cycle had been if someone of some nerve on the right had stood up and challeneged Bush for the Republican ticket. Not that anyone would have had a chance, but it would have been a healthy exercise to get these issues out there and debated- having someone challenge him on fiscally conservative agendas that he is lacking. For all the good it did him, at least the Dems had Howard Dean who (before he was neutered) really direction of the agenda - before, of course, the actual primiaries started.

At least we have the press that can keep things in perspective...oh wait...that's right...we can't!

Once again we have a campaign for the White House wrapping up, and (once again) the fourth estate is letting us down miserably. Instead of spending some time doing their jobs, they have become mouth pieces to the campaigns, to special interests and to their own ideology (ie: $$$$).

This is from Howard Kurtz's media column in today's Washington Post:

So there it is, exposed for all to see on the front page of yesterday's Washington Post.

The total cost of Bush's proposals at the Republican convention -- permanent tax cuts, prescription drugs, rural health clinics, the whole shmear -- is "likely to be well in excess of $3 trillion over a decade."

This from a guy who's been hammering Kerry for proposing a mere $2 trillion in programs (a figure Kerry denies, just as the Bush camp disputes the $3 trillion).

So will this now become the subject of endless cable debates, blogosphere posts and newspaper investigations? The conservative president, the apostle of limited government, is revealed as a Big Spender?

Nah.

The chatter is still about IBM Selectrics and Kitty Kelley.

Whether we spend ourselves into bankruptcy: Booorring.

Whether the candidates are over promising: Yadda yadda yadda.

After all, there are no secret sources, no coke-at-Camp-David allegations, no 1972 documents with a raised "th." That's what media people like to argue about.

Maybe the campaign coverage will turn serious at some point. The belated stories on the unbanned assault weapons were a hopeful sign. But it sure seems like substance doesn't sell.

Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com)

Grrrr.

This message was edited by curtoid on 9-15-04 @ 2:33 PM

Snoogans
09-15-2004, 10:34 AM
can we start hitting enter and some point in our quote lines so the screen doesnt get so damn wide

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ChickenHawk
09-15-2004, 10:35 AM
Agreed.

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GodsFavoriteMan
09-15-2004, 10:40 AM
Isn't the editorial (from a Post contributor) about a Washington Post article? And, as such, isn't that a report from the media that has nothing to do with the substanceless scandals?

It's true, though, debating economics, health care, and international policies is nowhere near as sexy as coke, Vietnam did's and did not's, and hot topics like abortion, gay marriage (which in reality are low priority election issues).

Americans want entertainment, not news. And that's what we get. It is a democracy after all. And I'm just as guilty as the next guy. I have never once voted in a local election unless it fell during a presidential/senate election.

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TheMojoPin
09-15-2004, 10:41 AM
What browser are you guys using?

Or are you using Macs?

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Snoogans
09-15-2004, 10:44 AM
im using netscape, the only time that the screen gets wide is for a big picture or a long line in a quote, and only started when jeff made these new quote things

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TheMojoPin
09-15-2004, 10:48 AM
Hmmm, we were having that problem with FireFox, but it appeared to have been fixed. The quotes are showing up fine for me.

E-mail Jeff and let him know what browser you're using.

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LordJezo
09-15-2004, 10:55 AM
Hmmm, we were having that problem with FireFox, but it appeared to have been fixed. The quotes are showing up fine for me.

E-mail Jeff and let him know what browser you're using.


Don't know what email address to use but I get the same problem using Mozilla 1.7

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TheMojoPin
09-15-2004, 11:10 AM
OK, send him a PM.

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kevcala
09-15-2004, 11:24 AM
Are people intentionally ignoring the real issue of this thread ? ;)

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Snoogans
09-15-2004, 11:25 AM
im too lazy to read the real point cause its 9 miles wide

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JPMNICK
09-15-2004, 11:27 AM
Get a real broswer, like I.E.

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Snoogans
09-15-2004, 11:28 AM
i have IE, i choose not to use it, i dont like the layout as much, plus i hate microsoft

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curtoid
09-15-2004, 11:38 AM
Isn't the editorial (from a Post contributor) about a Washington Post article? And, as such, isn't that a report from the media that has nothing to do with the substanceless scandals?

Kurtz's daily column is a round up of all of the media out there - sometimes he might lead with something from the post, but often times he does not - and several times he will point out when the Post might be out of step.



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Mike Teacher
09-15-2004, 12:19 PM
i have IE, i choose not to use it, i dont like the layout as much, plus i hate microsoft


Yeah me too. Someday they will make an intuitive, logical, and interactive OS, but not yet!



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furie
09-15-2004, 02:02 PM
I would have liked to see some republicans break rank and run independently (ala Roosevelt in 1913.)

It's too late now, but six months ago, maybe even three months ago i think it would have been possible to have a successful or at least decent run at the white house from a prominent and more moderate republican candidate.


and Safari views quotes just fine.


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