A Spy in the House of Bush

[Recyclerz]

OK, maybe six people of the board will be interested in this topic but I'm babysitting tonight, the kids are finally asleep, the football game is over and I'm bored.

Top Pentagon Official may be Spying for Israel (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5844415/)

I'll start the betting pool:
$1 on Stephen Cambone


Obligatory Bush (Administration) Bash: These guys tell us they know where the WMD in Iraq are, give money and info to Chalabi who passes it on to the Iranians; out their own CIA undercover agents and now allegedly have one of their top guys passing off secrets to Israel and we're not supposed to trust Kerry with the national security??

Caucasians, please.



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[FMJeff]

This just in..the spy has been caught

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[CaptClown]

He isn't the first and definitely won't be the last in this or any administration. What ever happened to the lasy that was spying for Cuba?

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[TheMojoPin]

Our allies, ladies and gentlemen!

Give 'em a big hand!

Let's give this jerkoff a ride back to Isarel on the USS Liberty. (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/12/us.israel.ussliberty/)

Though I gotta say, the topic title is very misleading. It's not like there haven't been plenty other high level spies in our government over the years, so you can't really pin this as "Bush's fault." It's general security failings. And man, if we're gonna try and make this Bush's failing, Clinton has a lot MORE to answer for, especially when it comes to China and our secrets.

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[Recyclerz]

Though I gotta say, the topic title is very misleading.


I was going for one of those clever Slate type of topic titles.

See This (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0804002800/qid=1093661658/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/103-4392760-7870223)

So you got literary and dirty. You want accurate too? Sir, you ask too much.



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[Mike Teacher]

Great.

Next thing we know, Bush is gonna have a Press Conference and announce he is Gay, and had an affair with NJ Gov McGreevey.

It could happen!

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[GaryWyze]

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Let's give this jerkoff a ride back to Isarel on the USS Liberty.

Why stop there, start building the camps!

Dude, WTF... linking an article from 8 months ago about something that happened 40 years ago?!?!?

And I quote... "the United States was also negligent for failing to notify Israel the Liberty was in international waters and for failing to withdraw the ship from the war zone. This is a ship that should have been hundreds of miles away from the war zone," the official said."

So I have no idea what the relevance is here?

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[morecowbell11]

this topic should be called, "Look what I found on Drudge" and what excuses can i make for being home on a friday night

you need jojo the dogface bitchboy? call josh weinfuck, the light weight pen stealing fuckface

[Yerdaddy]

Silly Recyclerz! Spying for Israel is GOOD! Didn't you get the memo?

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[TheMojoPin]

Let's give this jerkoff a ride back to Isarel on the USS Liberty.

Why stop there, start building the camps!

Dude, WTF... linking an article from 8 months ago about something that happened 40 years ago?!?!?

And I quote... "the United States was also negligent for failing to notify Israel the Liberty was in international waters and for failing to withdraw the ship from the war zone. This is a ship that should have been hundreds of miles away from the war zone," the official said."

So I have no idea what the relevance is here?

It's not a matter of relevance, it's just personal opinion on a larger issue reflected by this spy getting caught.

Personally, I think as a political and strategic ally, Israel treats the US like shit. They essentially do anything they want, with a huge chunk of our money (and weapons), and all we end up doing is simply shaking our finger at them and asking them to not do it again. The USS Liberty incident simply is the epitome of that mentality. And the incident itself was glossed over at the time, and still is today. As it says in the article, the surviving crew is still very apprehensive of the official findings by both the US and Israeli governments, for some key reasons...

1. The USS Liberty repeatedly identified itself to the Israelis through attempted radio contact, but there was no response during the entire attack.

2. The attack itself was a drawn-out, sustained affair. The Liberty was strafed multiple times (Cannonfire and napalm) by low-flying aircraft (Despite identifying insignia all over the damn ship). It was then attacked by Israeli naval crafts that circled the easily-identified Liberty and continually barraged her with fire.

Do mistakes happen in combat? Of course. It would be one thing if the Liberty had been hit a few times and then that was it...but that's not what happened. This appeared to possibly be a very deliberate attempt to destroy the ship and kill everyone on board (Though is definitely questionable why they used cannon fire, machine guns and napalm. If you're tyring to sink something fast, you bring out the bombs. But then how does one explain the length of the attack?). Why? I don't know. The theories are varied...the most likely is that the Israelis were worried that the Liberty might have picked up secret Israeli transmissions detailing sneak attacks against the Egyptians. Not that I'm criticizing them for planning THOSE attacks. I just find it pretty scummy that they'd take out a ship belonging to their strongest ally just to keep things hush-hush. Evidence and crew testimony and Israeli military recordings strongly suggest the Israelis knew what the USS Liberty was, were worried they'd get wind of some things they didn't want the US to know, and so they attacked.

I know mistakes happen. But it's a little frustrating when so little was done. When you're an American ally, you should be held MORE accountable for these kind of mistakes. But that wasn't the case here. Not even close.

Do I know this for sure? No. So much investigative info was lost because both America and the Israelis wanted the incident kept quiet, and so nothing was done for decades. It's just extremely bizarre that the Israelis kept raking this ship over and over and over and over again when a single fly-by would have readily identified the ship within minutes.

Yeah, it was off-topic. I just think it was a shitty thing that happened between two nations suppoed to be close allies, and not much is said about it.

And it just kinda pisses me off when one of our allies appears to have been spying on us in the heart of our military-industrial complex. What, I should just brush it off? Yeah, I know, "these things happen"...but tough shit for this guy and Israel! They got caught! And yet again, nothing will happen on the larger scale because of it...

Why stop there, start building the camps!

Oh, come on. That's pretty low, and insulting. THE GUY'S A SPY! WHO WAS SPYING ON US! I didn'

[Yerdaddy]

So I have no idea what the relevance is here?

It was a joke, and one that I can't imagine how it could be offensive, especially enough to invoke the Holocaust.

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[TheMojoPin]

Well, it wasn't really a joke...more like griping.

Basically it's me being frustrated over an ally of the US nearly sinking one of our ships and now being caught having a spy high up in the Defense Department, and that's about it.

Am I saying we need to "cut off" or attack Israel? Of course not. History has just shown we tend to not hold them accountable for these kind of incidents because we so desperately want a strong ally in the Middle East, and it simply frustrates me when it comes to US foreign affairs. That's it.

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[reeshy]

Sometimes I wonder why we keep helping Israel.....they constantly flaunt their independence in our face after we give them millions(if not billions)in aid....they are a great violator of human rights as far as I can see (Palestinian Question)...the Palestians aret heir"niggers"...that's how I see it...I'm getting sick and tired of supporting a nation that tells us what to do after we give them money and arms.....That's all!!

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[GaryWyze]

[color=purple]Oh, come on. That's pretty low, and insulting. THE GUY'S A SPY! WHO WAS SPYING ON US! I didn't say anything along those lines of the quote above.

I think bringing it up in the 1st place was an even lower thing to do. Even if you buy into whatever conspiracy theory you're buying into it, it still has no bearing on the matter at hand.

If the spy allegations turn out to be true, then this guy, and the current Israeli administration of which he reports to, is at fault. No doubt. But let's not act like we've uncovered the Taliban in the Defense Dept. here. Allies spying on allies isn't exactly unheard of. We most certainly do it too. And the practice is Worlds away from what you're suggesting by invoking the Liberty.

It just seemed beneath you, that's all I'm saying.

It was a joke, and one that I can't imagine how it could be offensive, especially enough to invoke the Holocaust.

By Mojo's own admission, he wasn't joking. "Remember The Liberty" is a common rallying cry among neo-nazis and skinhead groups. It's akin to throwing 9/11 in the face of Musilm-Americans. Perhaps even more so since 9/11 was a deliberate and sinking the Liberty wasn't (unsubstantiated rhetoric aside).

Sometimes I wonder why we keep helping Israel.....they constantly flaunt their independence in our face after we give them millions(if not billions)in aid....they are a great violator of human rights as far as I can see (Palestinian Question)...the Palestians aret heir"niggers"...that's how I see it

That's an incredibly simple minded way of looking at things. Our support of Israel isn't a humanitarian effort, we receive something in exchange. Namely the only Democracy, and a Democratic ally, in the World's most volatile spot.

Also, Israel has done many things for the U.S., even when it has clearly gone against Her own self interest. Have we forgotten how they stood down in the 1st Gulf War, despite being fired upon by Iraqi Scuds? Even the restraint they've used in dealing with the Palestinian/Terrorist problem - and yes, they have used much of it - is at the asking of the Oval Office.

Despite this Nation's Zero Tolerance policy for Countries that support and harbor terrorist, we've asked Israel to be much more forgiving.

The Palestinians have only themsleves to blame for their plight in life. Peace is there for the taking. You can't fault Israel if they refuse to take it. Back in 1999, even then President Clinton, perhaps the most left-leaning man to ever hold the Oval Office, walked away from the negotiating table in disgust, saying that the Palestinian leadership just doesn't want peace.

Rant over. And anyway, it's aways nice to see someone use the word nigger while condeming human right violations. :)

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This message was edited by GaryWyze on 8-28-04 @ 1:05 AM

[TheMojoPin]

Gary, I understand your perspective. There ARE a lot of people out there that just attack Israel just because it is a "Jewish country." All I can do is assure you that I'm not doing that. I do hold some animosity towards Israel in their diplomatic dealings with America, but it's no different than if I took the same kind of issues with a country like, say, France (Which is attacked left and right, much more cheaply and insulting than my criticism of Israel, and nobody blinks an eye), or Japan, or the UK.

I think bringing it up in the 1st place was an even lower thing to do. Even if you buy into whatever conspiracy theory you're buying into it, it still has no bearing on the matter at hand.

It's something that happened! I wasn't making it up. And yes, like the article said, the "official" ruling said both the US and Israel were at fault, but the US's mistakes in that case didn't result in us killing people, so, yes, I'm placing more of the blame on Israel, especially giving the specific circumstances.

But let's not act like we've uncovered the Taliban in the Defense Dept. here.

But nobody did. I called the guy a "jerkoff," because if he is a spy, then that's what I think he is. If he was a British spy (Which has happened) he'd be a jerkoff. If he was a French spy (Whcih has happened), he'd be a jerkoff. If he was an American spy spying on Americans (Whcih has happened a LOT), he'd be a jerkoff. See what I'm saying? He's not a jerkoff because he's Israeli...he's a jerkoff because he's supposedly a spy from a friendly country spying on us. He comes from a long line of such spy jerkoffs. This one just happened to be Israeli.

Yes, BECAUSE he was Israeli, I brought up the Liberty. My knowledge of the USS Liberty stems pretty much only from major news sites (I first heard of it from those news stories earlier this year), and then an hour-long documentary I saw on the incident on the History Channel, and that's about it. But if the guy had been any other nationality, odds are I would have brought something up pertaining to THAT country to just drive the point home.

It just seemed beneath you, that's all I'm saying.

If you say so. It's party of history, it happened, I went there.

"Remember The Liberty" is a common rallying cry among neo-nazis and skinhead groups.

Well, that's their deal. I'm not one of them, I had no idea that it was used in that way, and I didn't even come close to using it in the same context those douchebags would. Look, somebody perverting 9/11 for their political agenda still doesn't mean the actual attack on 9/11 didn't happen. Same goes for the attack on the USS Liberty. Those Nazi fucks over there doing their retarded thing has nothing to do with me and MY attempt at a point.

(unsubstantiated rhetoric aside).

Look, it's my opinion based on the general consensus of the survivors who were actually there, the official inquiry in recent years, and what Israeli radio transmissions during the attack that have been released in the last 40 years. Those things combined seem to point to a coordinated attack with the Israelis being aware of the USS Liberty's identity for most of, if not all of the attack. Is it a 100% proven? No, it never will be. But all people can do is take the evidence and testimony that's available and decide for themselves. But it's not really based on just "rhetoric," and that's kind of unfair to the men who survived that day and are pretty sure of what they saw and experienced and witnessed.

http://www.ussliberty.org

That's the site where I got all of my information from. It's the official site done by the survivors of the attack, so you can trust me when I say I'm not cruising any skeevy conspiracy sites about this event.

Again, nowhere did I say that this or the spy incident means we should "do" anything to Israel, or anything generally detrimental towards Israelis or Jews. It's just the kind of thing I would have posted about any ally of

[reeshy]

it's aways nice to see someone use the word nigger while condeming human right violations.



Yea I used the word, Wyze...It was in quotation marks to make a point....it is just a way to make a point.......do you understand that?

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[TheMojoPin]

Alright, alright, I think we've all derailed this thread as much as possible, myself especially.

Let's all of us just step back, take a deep breath, and get back on track.

Cool?

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[reeshy]

You talking to me, Stranger? You better have your six shooter on!!!!

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[TheMojoPin]

DRAW, EL KABONG!

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[GaryWyze]

[color=purple]OK?

Yes. Absolutely. I probably overeacted a little bit. It's a bit of a sensitive subject with me because of the way it's wielded around by hate groups (it's right up there with questioning the Holocaust).

But in hindsight, I should've known you were being more sarcastic than malicious.

Thanks for clarifying your position.

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[TheMojoPin]

Yes. Absolutely. I probably overeacted a little bit. It's a bit of a sensitive subject with me because of the way it's wielded around by hate groups (it's right up there with questioning the Holocaust).

I totally understand your reaction. I didn't know that hate groups were "using" the Liberty as one of their awful "causes," but hearing that, I can see why the mention of it could put someone on the defensive. Those kind of scum have no problem taking he most horrific of events (Like you said, the Nazi Holocaust) and distorting and flat out lying about them just to attack Jewish people.

And it wasn't a classy thing for me to bring up in the first place. People died tragically, no matter what the circumstances, and me using it just to make an unecessary, semi-joking political jab isn't cool, so I readily apologize for doing that.

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[GaryWyze]

[color=purple]Let's just hug it out, beeatch!

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[reeshy]

How about answering me , Wyze?

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[GaryWyze]

[color=purple]Reeshy, didn't mean to ignore you. I thought you were asking rhetorically.

But yes, Officer, I understand that you were just making a point.

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[UnknownPD]

So, does the new guy get introduced to Jonathan Pollard?

[TheMojoPin]

Let's just hug it out, beeatch!

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Best catch phrase of all time.

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[Recyclerz]

Washington Post has more details (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40004-2004Aug27.html)

Well, it looks like this guy is a career DOD employee with wood for Israel so it doesn't look like the W posse can be blamed for this one.

I apologize to W, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Feith for assuming you were to blame and to Stephen Cambone for betting it was you what had done it. I was wrong.


Now I'll wait for their apology for everything they DID screw up.






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[high fly]

OK, maybe six people of the board will be interested in this topic but I'm babysitting tonight, the kids are finally asleep, the football game is over and I'm bored.

Top Pentagon Official may be Spying for Israel (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5844415/)

I'll start the betting pool:
$1 on Stephen Cambone


My first guess would be that Feith guy.


Bush plan to invade Iraq is merely an adaptation of a plan drummed up by Feith, Wurmser and Perle, and presented to Netanyahu, who rejected it.

Titled something like, "A Clean Break: A New Strategy For securing the Realm," you can read about it in James Bamford's latest, A Pretext For War.
If memory serves, start reading about page 260.

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[42nd-delay]

Oh well...

Officials Say Publicity Derailed Secrets Inquiry
(http://nytimes.com/2004/08/30/politics/30spy.html?hp)

Leaks are getting out of control. It's treason, is it not? Yet it's taken lightly by many in the government. Shooting ourselves in the foot... (and it's happened in many other cases, particularly in regards to the war on terror).

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