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keithy_19
08-24-2004, 07:24 PM
I had to turn it off. It was so bad. So slanted.
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TheGameHHH
08-24-2004, 07:26 PM
It was pretty bad, but not so much that I thought it was slanted, it was just boring.
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I actually agree that it was slanted, but I enjoyed it. Stewart was actually trying to lead him through at one point, trying to get Kerry to call Bush stubborn. I wasn't expecting any real debate, but Stewart could have called him on something. Stewart lambasted him when he said he would still have voted to authorize the war a couple weeks back. He could have brought that up, but he avoided it.
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reeshy
08-24-2004, 07:31 PM
Oh...Kerry was on thes Stewart show...oh...how important!!!!
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TheMojoPin
08-24-2004, 07:46 PM
It was even duller than the Clinton interview.
*SNORE*
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keithy_19
08-24-2004, 07:57 PM
Well I was just listing the thigns besides it being boring as heaven.
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reeshy
08-24-2004, 08:03 PM
not your fault, darling!
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Yerdaddy
08-24-2004, 10:32 PM
Even I'll admit that the mainstreak fake media is biased. I mean they dont even try to be objective.
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monsterone
08-24-2004, 10:33 PM
did he play the saxaphone?
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Doctor Manhattan
08-25-2004, 04:27 AM
When Kerry said he had a plan for this country I was expecting Jon Stewart to ask what his plan was. He did ask that a few months ago when he had someone on (I'm thinking a guy who worked with Kerry or was on his campain, I can't remember)
It's fake news, so what do you expect?
I liked the Steven Corbert interviewing the Oil Industry/His Daughter bit
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NewYorkDragons80
08-25-2004, 06:18 AM
It's fake news, so what do you expect?
I hate that. That's their excuse for getting a free pass on anything. IMO, you can't brag about how many young people get their news from you and how many awards you've won, then throw around the "fake news" line at the first sign of criticism.
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Doctor Manhattan
08-25-2004, 07:44 AM
It's fake news, so what do you expect?
I hate that. That's their excuse for getting a free pass on anything. IMO, you can't brag about how many young people get their news from you and how many awards you've won, then throw around the "fake news" line at the first sign of criticism.
Well, it is a comedy show. I don't think they really try to present themselves as real news:
Do they brag about young people getting their news from them? That is sad for those who do get it there.
They win awards such as "Outstanding Variety, Music or Comedy Series" and "Outstanding Individual Performance (Jon Stewart, Host) in A Variety Or Music Program" I don't think that means it's real news or anything to be taken seriously. It's comedy show. What awards do real news programs win?
I don't think "We're fake news" is a cop out.
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Yerdaddy
08-25-2004, 08:22 AM
On the same show that Kerry was a guest Stephen Colbert interviewed his eight-year-old daughter pretending she was the entire oil industry.
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TheMojoPin
08-25-2004, 08:28 AM
I read an interview with John Stewart in Rolling Stone earlier this year where he talked about how he was "terrified" that people think they can get their news from his show. Colbert basically echoed that statement in a short interview with Entertainment Weekly a few weeks back. They exist to make fun of the news, not report it.
That said, they coulda knocked Kerry around a little last night. They've had no problem making fun of him left and right and pointing out all the things wrong with the guy over the last six months. As soon as Kerry said "I have a plan" for the billionth time, I was hoping Stewart would leap over the desk and pin him until he actually told us what the goddamn plan is.
Look, anyone actually surprised that "The Daily Show" tends to lean Left is really clueless. They don't hide it at all. That said, given how well they DO still make fun of the Democrats, I wanted at least a LITTLE grilling. All it was was just a platform for Kerry to yet again give us his vague "plan" speech again, but this time sitting on a couch. Thumbs down.
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Mike Teacher
08-25-2004, 08:29 AM
Well, it is a comedy show. I don't think they really try to present themselves as real news:
Winning Cowbell!
Ditto with R+F.
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Doctor Manhattan
08-25-2004, 08:44 AM
On the same show that Kerry was a guest Stephen Colbert interviewed his eight-year-old daughter pretending she was the entire oil industry.
I liked that too:
I liked the Steven Corbert interviewing the Oil Industry/His Daughter bit
That's their excuse for getting a free pass on anything.
As a Comedy Show (On Comedy Central, not The Cable News Network or Fox News) they do get a free pass on anything they say as long as it's funny, that's their job.
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That Colbert/Daughter bit was funny, but it distracted from the fact that it was a really depressing story.
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Doctor Manhattan
08-25-2004, 08:53 AM
That Colbert/Daughter bit was funny, but it distracted from the fact that it was a really depressing story.
As a COMEDY show I think they have to spin stuff to the FUNNY side. Depression lessens the laughter.
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Doctor Manhattan
08-25-2004, 08:55 AM
Everything I've said I think can apply to Letterman, Conan, SNL and any other Topic Humor based show (Even Dennis Murphy's CNBC show)
They discuss real news but not everything they say is real/true and should not be taken seriously.
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NewYorkDragons80
08-25-2004, 09:27 AM
I was hoping Stewart would leap over the desk and pin him until he actually told us what the goddamn plan is.
The way he tried to pin down Ted Koppel? Every news show by definition has a bias, but what pisses me off is that TDS seems to get a free pass on it.
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Yerdaddy
08-25-2004, 09:36 AM
But seriously, it's not a news show. You have to see that. It's Weekend Update with a talk show added on. And it's biased, I think, because they do stories mocking what they sincerely see as problems, and that just happens to be the republican stuff more than the democratic. The only reason it's the Daily Show that's getting the heat over this instead of Dennis Miller's show is that Dennis Miller isn't funny anymore. And if Colin Quinn were a better show they would bring Bush on and do a talk show interview with him with the catch-and-release rules.
All I meant to write here was "It's not a news show" again. I need help.
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TheMojoPin
08-25-2004, 09:40 AM
I was hoping Stewart would leap over the desk and pin him until he actually told us what the goddamn plan is.
The way he tried to pin down Ted Koppel? Every news show by definition has a bias, but what pisses me off is that TDS seems to get a free pass on it.
IT'S NOT A NEWS SHOW!!1!1!1!1111!!!!!1111!!11!!1
Nor have they made their personal political preferences any kind of secret. Basically every interview I've read with Stewart or any of the other show personalities they have no problem stating that they're all pretty much Democrats across the board. They still manage to give the "Left" a pretty good mocking on the show, but it shouldn't be surprising if they hit the "Right" more, especially since they're the ones who are in power right now. If you run the country, you kinda tend to make the most news to make fun of. But since when is a comedy show obligated to be unbiased?
That's why I always use TDS as an example when I say how ridiculous it is that some conservatives people think they get their news from shows like O'Reilly's or Hannity's...it's as ludicrous as a liberal thinking they're getting their news from TDS. NONE of them are news programs.
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KennethC
08-25-2004, 10:11 AM
When I want the News, I turn to Huey Lewis.
I find it odd that anyone would expect the Kerry interview to be compelling. I'm a pretty staunch Kerry supporter, but the last thing I was expecting was penetrating analysis, savage wit or tough questions. Kerry appearing on the Daily Show is a glorified campaign stop.
Kerry was not a great guest simply because he is a mainstream politician running for public office, preventing him from speaking openly or honestly about anything. In fact, both Kerry and Bush are so terrified of saying anything that could come back to haunt them they now communicate only in cliches and labored soundbites. The only candidate who makes a half-way interesting talk show guest is Nader.
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Doctor Manhattan
08-25-2004, 10:17 AM
Every news show by definition has a bias, but what pisses me off is that TDS seems to get a free pass on it.
Motherfucker! This is pissing me off. Why the fuck would you tune your fucking TV to Comedy Fucking Central to watch News? Since when does a news show have a studio audience? And what news show has an audience laughing at the Host's punchlines? What News show has a host who has punchlines?
A few minutes before Jon Stewart begins you can see Cartman with a 30 ft Satellite dish sticking out of his ass, or Dave Chappelle dressed as Rick James humping Eddie Murphy's swede couch.
It's not a free pass. It's not a news show.
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Doctor Manhattan
08-25-2004, 10:20 AM
That's why I always use TDS as an example when I say how ridiculous it is that some conservatives people think they get their news from shows like O'Reilly's or Hannity's...it's as ludicrous as a liberal thinking they're getting their news from TDS. NONE of them are news programs.
You are right, none of them are news. But O'Reilly spins his like he's doing news (He's on a Channel called Fox News) I don't know about Hannity.
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TheMojoPin
08-25-2004, 11:18 AM
The only candidate who makes a half-way interesting talk show guest is Nader.
He was highly entertaining on McEnroe's(sp?) clusterfuck of a show last night. Everyone was basically begging him not to run.
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theseatbelts
08-25-2004, 11:31 AM
A "Time" magazine article about a year ago was discussing CNN getting trashed by FOX in the ratings, and Democrats were trying to find new ways to get their message out. The number one new outlet on all the DNC operative's lists was The Daily Show. Sure the show makes fun of Democrats sometimes, but rarely with the zeal they attack Republicans with. This show isn't about being funny anymore, it's a direct tool of the Democratic Party.
I still enjoy Lewis Black though.
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TheMojoPin
08-25-2004, 11:42 AM
Sure the show makes fun of Democrats sometimes, but rarely with the zeal they attack Republicans with.
Again, who's in charge right now? In the White House, the Supreme Court and the Senate?
You make the most news, you get made the most fun of. It's not complicated math.
Does everyone forget the field day the "liberal media," comedy or news, had during the Clinton years? At best, the Republicans "got it" when Dole ran for president, or someone like Newt came along, but that was about it. Everything else was basically about making Bill and Hillary looking like the biggest dopes around, and rightly so. Yet Bush takes office, and all of a sudden turnabout ISN'T fair play? Suck it up, ladies.
it's a direct tool of the Democratic Party.
Because they're willing to be on the show? Hell, Bob Dole was their official correspondent to the LAST RNC. McCain's been on the show a couple times. So have most of the major conservative pundits, Hannity included. Republican and conservative politcians and authors have all taken the couch. Of course there's been more "Left-leaning" guest. That's what the audience of the show has primarily consisted of since its inception, even in the Kilborn days. The Democrats know who they need to play to, hence why they're more likely to come on the show. The bulk of the show's audience (18-35, college students) is more likely to vote for them. Yet because these people tend to lean en masse a certain way politically, it couldn't POSSIBLY be because they've made up their own minds...no, of COURSE it's because the show is a "tool" of the nefarious Democratic Party. Right.
And why's Lewis Black OK? He rails more loudly, literally, about Bush and co. than anyone else on that show.
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curtoid
08-25-2004, 12:01 PM
Does everyone forget the field day the "liberal media," comedy or news, had during the Clinton years? At best, the Republicans "got it" when Dole ran for president, or someone like Newt came along, but that was about it. Everything else was basically about making Bill and Hillary looking like the biggest dopes around, and rightly so. Yet Bush takes office, and all of a sudden turnabout ISN'T fair play? Suck it up, ladies.
A-Friggin-Men. Thin skin, all of youse.
Clinton still gets a ton of jokes poked at him, by Letterman and Leno, and I bet he will long after Bush is out of office.
Hell, Bob Dole was their official correspondent to the LAST RNC. McCain's been on the show a couple times. So have most of the major conservative pundits, Hannity included. Republican and conservative politcians and authors have all taken the couch.
Wasn't Gillespe a guest not that long ago, and he seemed to be able to handle himself and have fun, and still get his talking points across.
Here's some Media observations on Kerry and John Stewart (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/columns/kurtzhoward/)
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TheMojoPin
08-25-2004, 03:53 PM
Clinton and co. made the careers of at least 10,000 comedians in the 90's.
If Bush can do the same, hey, it'll finally be one area where he can claim he actually CREATED jobs.
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keithy_19
08-25-2004, 04:18 PM
I don't watch the Daily Show regulary because I find John Stewart to be arrogant. I don't know why, but he just comes off that way to me. Kerry also seems very arrogant to me. I guess seeing two arrogant people together really turned me off.
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TheMojoPin
08-25-2004, 04:27 PM
Yeah, that five-foot-nothing nebbishy John Stewart comes across as a real overpowering dickhead.
Don't worry, Keithy. Someday YOU'LL have confidence, too!
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NewYorkDragons80
08-25-2004, 04:33 PM
Everything else was basically about making Bill and Hillary looking like the biggest dopes around, and rightly so. Yet Bush takes office, and all of a sudden turnabout ISN'T fair play? Suck it up, ladies.
It wasn't about making them look like dopes, it was stupid, irrelevant personal things. i.e. Hilary is power-hungry, Bill is too fat, Bill can't keep his pants on, etc. Neither serious political commentators nor "satirists" called him a dope or even gave well-thought out, serious (or humorous) observations of his policy decisions.
Hell, Bob Dole was their official correspondent to the LAST RNC. McCain's been on the show a couple times. So have most of the major conservative pundits, Hannity included.
McCain is a moderate and Dole has been on an anti-partisanship crusade since taking office (Kerry's Vietnam service aside). As for the pundits, my opinion is that they're scared of being satirized moreso than they already are.
The bulk of the show's audience (18-35, college students) is more likely to vote for them. Yet because these people tend to lean en masse a certain way politically, it couldn't POSSIBLY be because they've made up their own minds...no, of COURSE it's because the show is a "tool" of the nefarious Democratic Party. Right.
That's another problem. Of course you will get an ovation when you say "anybody but Bush" to a bunch of college kids in Manhattan. Enough with the easy applause for these kids. In one sense, you're right. They are entitled to their own opinions. But they are also in a position of influence and the show doesn't "lean," it panders. Most of the guests who come on with their latest book slamming Bush get a free make-out session with Stewart for 4 minutes in additiong to the free publicity and assured spot on the NYT bestseller list.
And why's Lewis Black OK? He rails more loudly, literally, about Bush and co. than anyone else on that show.
And there's the difference. I know Lewis Black is a socialist from O&A but I wouldn't know it from watching the Daily Show. He is one of the very few who actually does dish it out evenly.
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theseatbelts
08-25-2004, 04:34 PM
Man, you dip one toe into the political pool...
Again, who's in charge right now? In the White House, the Supreme Court and the Senate?
You make the most news, you get made the most fun of. It's not complicated math.
Fair point. I agree that the more visible party will get made fun of more, regardless of bias.
Does everyone forget the field day the "liberal media," comedy or news, had during the Clinton years? At best, the Republicans "got it" when Dole ran for president, or someone like Newt came along, but that was about it. Everything else was basically about making Bill and Hillary looking like the biggest dopes around, and rightly so. Yet Bush takes office, and all of a sudden turnabout ISN'T fair play? Suck it up, ladies.
Now I disagree. Although the media made fun of Bill mostly, it's because they had to. Like you said in your first point, he was in the news, plus he was caught doing what he was being characterized for. (Lying Cheating) For the most part though, the "moderate" media tried it's best to excuse any mistakes he made, give him full credit for anything positive the Republican Congress "compromised" with him to accomplish, and to this day is still being lionized as a genius and a wronged man.
As for Hillary I'll admit she had a worse time being lampooned than Mrs. Bush, but that's mostly because she was a more outspoken and visible part of the Clinton administration. While being portrayed no worst than Nancy Reagan or Barbara Bush were by their detractors, Hillary has been shown in the "moderate" media as another genius, and a hero for strong women everywhere.
Because they're willing to be on the show? Hell, Bob Dole was their official correspondent to the LAST RNC. McCain's been on the show a couple times. So have most of the major conservative pundits, Hannity included. Republican and conservative politcians and authors have all taken the couch. Of course there's been more "Left-leaning" guest. That's what the audience of the show has primarily consisted of since its inception, even in the Kilborn days. The Democrats know who they need to play to, hence why they're more likely to come on the show. The bulk of the show's audience (18-35, college students) is more likely to vote for them. Yet because these people tend to lean en masse a certain way politically, it couldn't POSSIBLY be because they've made up their own minds...no, of COURSE it's because the show is a "tool" of the nefarious Democratic Party. Right.
The show's guests don't have much to do with it. If The Daily Show was just a comedy show, or a news show parody, then the guests main purpose should be to entertain. Jon obviously has a different interviewing style with people he agrees with than with people he doesn't. It's his show and he can do whatever he wants.
What does matter, is that The Daily Show is no longer an entertainment show that happens to lean left, but has become a propaganda machine in a funny wrapper. I think I wouldn't mind how biased the show was if I felt the show naturally evolved that way, instead of being tugged by outside influences.
And why's Lewis Black OK? He rails more loudly, literally, about Bush and co. than anyone else on that show.
I've liked him since I first heard him back on OnA, and both of his Comedy Central shows were great. His political leanings don't bother me as long as he's funny. Ron is far left but he's still my favorite comedian because he is usually more busy entertaining than trying to save the world.
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TheMojoPin
08-25-2004, 04:58 PM
That's another problem. Of course you will get an ovation when you say "anybody but Bush" to a bunch of college kids in Manhattan. Enough with the easy applause for these kids. In one sense, you're right. They are entitled to their own opinions. But they are also in a position of influence and the show doesn't "lean," it panders. Most of the guests who come on with their latest book slamming Bush get a free make-out session with Stewart for 4 minutes in additiong to the free publicity and assured spot on the NYT bestseller list.
And the problem is...?
They're a comedy TV show. Their goal is to make money, and that's it. If those are the topics/guests that contine the upswing in the ratings and ad revenues since Stewart took over 4 years ago, why the hell should they NOT go in that direction? What obligation do they even have in the first place to be any kind of "balanced?"
Now I disagree. Although the media made fun of Bill mostly, it's because they had to. Like you said in your first point, he was in the news, plus he was caught doing what he was being characterized for. (Lying Cheating) For the most part though, the "moderate" media tried it's best to excuse any mistakes he made, give him full credit for anything positive the Republican Congress "compromised" with him to accomplish, and to this day is still being lionized as a genius and a wronged man.
Are you kidding me? If I went by the media as my sole basis of what kind of president Clinton was, I'd have to assume he was just some hard-fuckin' hillbilly who stumbled his way through eight years of ignorant bliss in the White House. If anything, he got it WORSE than Bush, since no liberal equivalents of Fox/Hannity/Rush/O'Reilly/et al existed at the time, and nobody wanted to shout down THOSE guys for fear of "proving" the newly coined "liberal bias conspiracy." And Hillary got it even worse.
You seem to be confusing fringe liberal outlets from the time with major media outlets. NOBODY was praising Hillary as any kind of "hero" after 1993.
This all seems to come down to perception, or desire on the part of the the observer. It's like whoever was debating me on Ted Kennedy in another thread seemed to be saying...because Chappaquiddick wans't mentioned nearly every time he showed up on TV or in print, he apparently "gets a pass" from the media. What actually indicates Bill or Hillary have been propped up as "heroes" or "geniuses" by the meida en masse? Because they aren't actively criticized EVERY time they were on TV?
Bush gets the same deal...the majority of his press coverage is just that...coverage. People who don't like him perceive it as coverage of what he's doing wrong, people who like him perceive it as coverage of what he's doing right. News reporting can't account always for someone's individual perception...editorializing is something COMPLETELY seperate, yet it's always lumped in as "news."
Basically, Clinton got eight years of what John Kerry is getting now with the swift boat bullshit...focus on completely irrelevant issues as opposed to his actual performance on significant issues while in office. Bush, by contrast, receives most of his criticism for major presidential decisions. The only way it would be comparable is if, say, everything somehow came back to him choking on a pretzel, or his daughters being drunken whores.
I think I wouldn't mind how biased the show was if I felt the show naturally evolved that way, instead of being tugged by outside influences.
Specifically, how so?
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smiler grogan
08-25-2004, 05:00 PM
I think this whole biased argument in this circustance is flawed because of the fact that TDS is a comedy show. You could use this same argument about Tough Crowd, alot of the mainstays such as Colin, Norton ,and Dipaulo for example have stated time and time again how much they detest "lberals". But again it is just a bunch of comedians babbling over issues so if there is a bias so what they are speaking there minds.
TheMojoPin
08-25-2004, 05:02 PM
Exactly. And "Tough Crowd" has no obligation to be balanced or biased or anything, and rightfully so.
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theseatbelts
08-25-2004, 05:45 PM
If anything, he got it WORSE than Bush, since no liberal equivalents of Fox/Hannity/Rush/O'Reilly/et al existed at the time, and nobody wanted to shout down THOSE guys for fear of "proving" the newly coined "liberal bias conspiracy."
How about CNN, Larry King, Sixty Minutes, Nightline, PBS, NPR, and The Capital Gang. I wasn't too interested in politics at the time, but those are the few I can name off the top of my head, not counting print media.
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TheMojoPin
08-25-2004, 06:00 PM
Again, NONE of those sources come close to the blatant skewing and bias of Fox/Hannity/O'Reilly/Air America/Michael Moore/et al.. People who have already made up their mind about the "liberal media" will disagree with me forever on this, but anyone who actually watches all of these sources on a regular basis has to realize that the sources you named don't even compare when it comes to bias when stacked next to the sources I brought up.
Seriously, there were no liberal equivalents of the brutal right wing pundits in the 90's, and they still far outnumber the left today. While sources like CNN will definitely "lean," it is in no way as 100% skewed as ANY of the conservative pundits, no matter what they want to believe. Outside of Michael Moore and Air America, you simply do not have liberal pundits getting away with what the conservative pundits get to say on a daily basis. And, for the most part, they barely exist for the comparison in the first place.
I mean, come on...you're honestly comparing some soft waterhead like Larry King to, say, Michael Savage? King can barely muster up a watchable interview, much less a cohesive and pervasive political agenda.
NONE of the so-called "liberal" networks even come close to what Fox and the conservative pundits do. And it's disgusting that they use that ridiculous exaggeration to justify their own absolute bias.
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Yerdaddy
08-25-2004, 09:45 PM
If anything, he got it WORSE than Bush, since no liberal equivalents of Fox/Hannity/Rush/O'Reilly/et al existed at the time, and nobody wanted to shout down THOSE guys for fear of "proving" the newly coined "liberal bias conspiracy."
How about CNN, Larry King, Sixty Minutes, Nightline, PBS, NPR, and The Capital Gang. I wasn't too interested in politics at the time, but those are the few I can name off the top of my head, not counting print media.
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OK, help me out here. Could you just match up the rhetorical equivalents of these two lists, (match the numbers to the letters). For example, I know Fox and CNN are going to come together, but help me out with the liberal equivalent of the others from the list.
Fox
Hannity
Rush
O'Reilly
CNN
Larry King
Sixty Minutes
Nightline
PBS
NPR
The Capital Gang
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Teenweek
08-26-2004, 12:34 AM
I think this whole biased argument in this circustance is flawed because of the fact that TDS is a comedy show. You could use this same argument about Tough Crowd, alot of the mainstays such as Colin, Norton ,and Dipaulo for example have stated time and time again how much they detest "lberals". But again it is just a bunch of comedians babbling over issues so if there is a bias so what they are speaking there minds.
However whatever other comedians are on that day are usually liberal to balance it out.
Yerdaddy
08-26-2004, 08:14 AM
However whatever other comedians are on that day are usually liberal to balance it out.
There's no attempt to ballance. At least 75% of the comedians on that show are flaming conservatives, and if they're not they get shouted down the most. And I love the show, it's just not any more ballanced than TDS. In fact it's worse. But then again, it is a FUCKING COMEDY SHOW!
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TheMojoPin
08-26-2004, 08:25 AM
Hey, if they think Fox News is "fair & balanced," of COURSE they're gonna think "Tough Crowd" is somehow the same, when it's clearly not.
But then again, WHO CARES?!? I don't give a shit which way the comedians are going politically as long as they're funny. Politically, I think Nick DiPaulo is the scum of the Earth, but he's a funny motherfucker on a COMEDY SHOW and he makes me laugh, so why should I care?
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Mike Teacher
08-26-2004, 08:41 AM
But then again, WHO CARES?!? I don't give a shit which way the comedians are going politically as long as they're funny.
Exactly my sentiments. Like R+F said, their job isn't to present every side in a given debate or on a given topic, hell Ron will switch his opinion five times during a segment just to disagree with Fez.
I can't think of a way to do the news without bias. Even Cronkite, just siting there delivering the news, was highly influential, just because he was Cronkite. If memory serves the time he did editorialize and say the war in Viet Nam might not be winnable, that made some waves in the American public.
I suggest staying far away from TV News; every segment is too short, and has to 'sell' itself, to be interesting, so, it's necesarily biased. I read a shitload of news sites, many from other countries, where the Prioritization of Stories is often strikingly different, and when you look at them, much more logical.
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Case in Point; Yesterday McGreevey made his first public appearence; some bullshit thing about dedicating money to AC; and you'd think the Press was covering the Liftoff of Apollo 11. A complete and utter Non-Event, made a Bullshit-Non-News-Event by said Press.
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Fuck the Swift Boat issue. Both Sides. How about some candidates offering some substantive statements on what their gonna do about Education, Police, Welfare, Defense, Environment. Don't bullshit me and tell me youre goona be The Environmental President. How exactly?
Why I utterly loathe the whole system.
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TheMojoPin
08-26-2004, 08:44 AM
I suggest staying far away from TV News
Right on, since accuracy and quality-wise, they're STILL barely a step up from internet journalism.
Print journalism is still where it's at, with the major newsmagazines way, waaaaaaaaaaaay at the top.
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theseatbelts
08-26-2004, 10:27 AM
Fox = CNN
Hannity/Combs= Crossfire
Left/Right Debate Shows
Rush/Hannity= NPR
Political Radio
Fox News Watch=The Capital Gang
Panel Show
O'Reilly=Hardball
Political Commentary
Larry King is mostly an interview show, and I don't think Fox has anything similar.
Fox seems to have to be the flip side for all network news shows as well, since they mostly lean left.
Without getting into the bias of print media, as informative and in depth as it can get, it also doesn't allow for debate. Both sides can be presented, but they can't argue and expand their ideas like you can live with TV or radio.
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TheMojoPin
08-26-2004, 10:39 AM
Debate is rarely, if EVER, actual news.
At least not out of all the shows you listed. Those are basically people screaming editorials at each other.
Newspapers REPORT the news, and that's it. That's how it should be. The op-ed section is always seperate. TV news doesn't understand that distinction anymore and has attempted to slam the two together and hopes the public is too stupid to notice or care.
MOST news is just reported with a minimum of bias. The rare hours when Fox is just doing a "Headline News" sorta deal, even they're pulling it off.
The worst thing about Fox is that they've encouraged MORE of these stupid, useless panel/debate/personality shows as opposed to just straight-up news reporting. MSNBC and CNN have scrambled to fill their hours with the same sort of yammering tlaking heads, as opposed to just reporting the news. I mean, Fox's big hype is, "we'll give you the days main headlines in under 60 seconds! Now back to O'Reilly!" What the fuck is THAT? O'Reilly should be the sideshow to the NEWS, not vice-versa.
Before Fox, you had like "Crossfire," "The Capitol Gang," "The McLaughlin Group" and "Meet The Press" and that was about it. That was, what, 5% of weekly news programming at best?
Now, the majority of ALL the news networks from 5 PM to at least midnight are dictated by debate/panel/personality shows, and it's appalling. No, we don't NEED "all sides" of a goddamn story, because 99.9% of the time any given story CAN just be reported in a 2-3 minute news segment. It's the debate shows that have really helped make trivial shit like the Scott Peterson trial into some kind of "national story." "All sides" just means you're getting multiple opinions, and not actual news.
CNN's biggest plus is they have Headline News in addition to the "mother network." If Fox was smart, they'd set up something similar, and we wouldn't have to worry about this talk show crap.
What's wrong with just reading the goddamn news?!?
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theseatbelts
08-26-2004, 11:10 AM
There is nothing "wrong" with reading the news, I was just arguing that live discussion of the news is just as valid as print media. They offer different but equally important ways of digesting information.
Fox seems to have about the same amount of debate, commentary and panel shows as CNN, the difference may be that Fox puts more non traditional news shows in prime time.
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Yerdaddy
08-26-2004, 03:02 PM
Fox = CNN
Hannity/Combs= Crossfire
Left/Right Debate Shows
Rush/Hannity= NPR
Political Radio
Fox News Watch=The Capital Gang
Panel Show
O'Reilly=Hardball
Political Commentary
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You substituted talking head shows for your original list that included Nightline and 60 Minutes. I assume you found that these aren't as liberal as the conservative list. But seriously, (leaving the Fox/CNN arguments to past discussions), Hardball, The Capital Gang, NPR and Crossfire are as opinionated, pandering, hyperpolic and dogmatic as Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Reilly??????? Come on! If this weren't the internet I'd love to see if you can make that case with a straight face.
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shamus mcfitzy
08-29-2004, 09:51 PM
I didn't see the interview i'll admit, but heard that it was slow pitch softball when i watched Bill Maher's show i think. Wouldn't really expect much more though. John Stewart seems to basically spend a good two minutes of every show (which is a lot considering its 23 minutes) actually facing the camera and criticizing Bush.
Not to disrail the thread or anything but on Maher's show he and Chris Matthews were talking about a softball interview that "Fox" did. I don't think Comedy Central is owned by Fox, so i was just wondering if anyone knew what they were referring to.
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