Kerry flip-flop of the month - troop deployment

[LordJezo]

August 1 - "If the diplomacy that I believe can be put in place can work, I think we can significantly change the deployment of troops, not just there but elsewhere in the world in the Korean peninsula perhaps, in Europe perhaps"

August 18 - "Why are we unilaterally withdrawing 12,000 troops from the Korean Peninsula at the very time we are negotiating with North Korea - a country that really has nuclear weapons?"

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This message was edited by LordJezo on 8-19-04 @ 10:17 AM

[Doctor Manhattan]

Weapons of Mass Destruction

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

Osama Bin Laden

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01 right after 9/11 when it was "bad" to say anything negative about Bush]

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

Saddam/al Qaeda Link

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

These next 2 sets you could defend by daying Governor Bush and President Bush aren't the same man, I guess:

Gay Marriage

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

Nation Building

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

That Last one was featured on "The Daily Show"

I think GW suffers from schizophrenia or bipolar disorder like Mike Tyson. Would you vote for a Mike Tyson who can't fight?

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This message was edited by SKW on 8-19-04 @ 9:53 AM

[LordJezo]

So Kerry says two opposite statements weeks apart, Bush has statements in different periods with different amounts of evidence and different sources.

Way to compare the two. You also didnt address anything I said in the post two. Just trying to change the topic. Your post would have been much better suited in a thread about Bush flip-flops

As for this one:

"You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11."


How is that a flip flop? War on terror != September 11th. He is going after everyone involved in terrorism, not just people in involved in 9.11


BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]


Thats is a bit of a stretch, and once again 9.11 changed everything.


BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]


He was told what they were. Later on he was told they werent. Once again different information led him to those statements.

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[Doctor Manhattan]

So is it okay to change your mind or not? How much time must pass before it is okay?

"He is going after everyone involved in terrorism, not just people in involved in 9.11"

Should he focus on those who were involved? oh yeah, they gave him money so they get to slide (Saudi Arabia)

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This message was edited by SKW on 8-19-04 @ 10:16 AM

[LordJezo]

So what reasons then (besides Bush suggesting that we do what Kerry said to do) did Kerry have for changing his mind against what he said 17 days prior to his new statements?

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[Teenweek]

Bush changes his mind over periods of months sometimes even years. Kerry changes with days sometimes even hours.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I didn't realize his were so quick. I take back my implication that Bush Flip Flops as well. I'll stick to calling him a Bald-Faced Liar. Man, politicians suck. It's hard to defend most of them.



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[TheMojoPin]

August 1 - "If the diplomacy that I believe can be put in place can work, I think we can significantly change the deployment of troops, not just there but elsewhere in the world in the Korean peninsula perhaps, in Europe perhaps"

August 18 - "Why are we unilaterally withdrawing 12,000 troops from the Korean Peninsula at the very time we are negotiating with North Korea - a country that really has nuclear weapons?"

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This message was edited by LordJezo on 8-19-04 @ 10:17 AM

Statement one - "If you make me president, I supposedly have a plan that will ease diplomatic strains around the world (Especially with countries we're on rocky ground with, like NK) and potentially allow us to lessen troop deployment, IN THE FUTURE."

Statement two - "Why are we moving troops away from NK NOW, BEFORE we have stabilized relations there and tensions between NK and SK?"

The first statement is disussing the case AFTER he's supposedly "made peace diplomatically." The second is asking why Bush is pulling those troops from a potential hotspot NOW, while the situation is still unresolved.

Given how many legit bogus statements Kerry belts out on an almost daily basis, this was about as piss-poor an example as one could find, given that only basic reading comprehension is required to tell the difference.

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[Doctor Manhattan]

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]


He was told what they were. Later on he was told they werent. Once again different information led him to those statements.

Didn't his administration provide us with very exact locations? weren't there maps? Weren't there pictures of trucks that had the materials in question?

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This message was edited by SKW on 8-19-04 @ 11:35 AM

[Furtherman]

How is that a flip flop? War on terror != September 11th. He is going after everyone involved in terrorism, not just people in involved in 9.11


Yea, but common sense would dictate that you get those involved in 9/11 FIRST.

Someone in your family is dead.

You know who killed them.

You have an idea where they are.

Do you go after them first or do you go after some guy who owes you money?

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[HBox]

August 10th, 2004:

President Bush said on Tuesday that abolishing the U.S. income tax system and replacing it with a national sales tax was an idea worth considering.

"It's an interesting idea," Bush told an "Ask President Bush" campaign forum here. "You know, I'm not exactly sure how big the national sales tax is going to have to be, but it's the kind of interesting idea that we ought to explore seriously."

August 11th, 2004:

Administration officials on Wednesday denied that President Bush is considering a national sales tax, a day after the Republican incumbent created a stir by calling such a tax "an interesting idea that we ought to explore seriously."

OK, not exactly an example of flip-floping, but an example of the stupid shit that comes out of his mouth when he tries to wing it.

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[Doctor Manhattan]

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Why did this thread get a thumbs up? Does that mean it's good that Kerry FlipFlopped? or that you are happy rto point it out?

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