Yankees and retired numbers

[Marist Mike]

ok Billy Martin has 1 Ruth has 3 Gehrig has 4 DiMaggio has 5 Mantle has 7 Berra and Dickey have 8 Maris has 8 Rizzuto has 10 Munson has 15 Ford has 16 Mattingly as 23 Howard has 32 Stengel has 37 Reggie has 44 Guidry has 49 my point is what about the guys that are playing now who do you think gets retired...i say they definitely should retire 42 for Mariano....2 for Jeter....Torre's 6.....if A Rod plays the rest of his career with them at the rate he plays I bet they retire his 13.....now here's a few touchy ones.....should they retire Bernie for 51....idk he's been a good player but not a great one.....he's probably on most people's all time fourth or fifth yankee teams....and even though he doens't play anymore what about Paul ONeill.....I mean he left his heart out on the field every day but I don't think that makes him eligible to have his number retired.....

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[ChickenHawk]

i say they definitely should retire 42 for Mariano
Already been retired from baseball, by Jackie Robinson in 1997. Mariano only gets to keep that number by "grandfather" rules, cuz he had 42 before it was retired. So Mariano is actually the last guy on the Yankees to wear #42 anyway. Him and like 4 other guys still wear that number.

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[Marist Mike]

True but if the yankees can retire two number 8's why can't they retire two number 42's


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[TheGameHHH]

Him and like 4 other guys still wear that number.
i think its him and 0 other guys.

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[JPMNICK]

Paul O neal - NO
Bernie - NO

they are both good, but not great.

Jeter's 2 will go in.

I am not sure about Torre and 6. that is an iffy one.

and I dount, unless he plays for 10 more years as a Yank A-Rod # will be retired

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[badorties]

jeter, torre and rivera will probably represent the last batch of championship teams ...

and if clemens comes back (which he is rumoured to want to), and goes into the h.o.f. as a yank, they'll retire his jersey ...

who kmows, it took twenty years for guidry to get 49 retired, scooter 40 something years and even longer for red ruffing ...


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[ChickenHawk]

I did a 'lil research and found out that in 1997, Mo Vaughn, Mike Jackson, Mariano Rivera, Jose Lima, Scott Karl, Butch Huskey all had and kept the #42. As it stands now, Mariano and Mo Vaugn are the only active players to still wear the #. Lima just changed his to 27 this season when he went over to the Dodgers.
So, in all likelihood, Mariano will end up being the last baseball player to wear #42... Well deserved.

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[blakjeezis]

What about 24 for Donnie Baseball? I think he should go up there. Bernie has been a great, great Yankee. He's never really been one of my favorite players, but he has played tremendously in his tenure here and was an enormous part of this run. I think O'Neill deserves to be up there as well. Besides Mattingly, there's been no one who more epitomized what it means to be a Yankee in the last 20 years or so. He wasn't the most outstanding player, he certainly isn't HOF material, but his contribution off the field, his leadership, put him over the top. When it comes to this particular honor, unlike the HOF, (or at least what the HOF should be) it's about more than just numbers. You can follow the chain, from Munson to Mattingly to O'Neill to Jeter. It is a direct line of the Yankee tradition handed down, and O'Neill is a key link in that chain.

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[flavorsaver]

What about 24 for Donnie Baseball?


Either that or 23...

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[Teenweek]

Only Jeter and Mariano will get. O'Neill and Bernie will get plaques.

[newport king]

and if clemens comes back (which he is rumoured to want to), and goes into the h.o.f. as a yank,


there is zero chance he goes in as a yankee.

and paul o'neil shouldn't get his number retired. while i'm not a yankee fan, everytime the guy struck out he acted like the kid on a little league team that would return to the dugout in tears.

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[Justice4all]

Paul O neal - NO
Bernie - NO

they are both good, but not great.

Jeter's 2 will go in.

I am not sure about Torre and 6. that is an iffy one.

and I dount, unless he plays for 10 more years as a Yank A-Rod # will be retired




Ok if Billy Martin can be in there then I think Torre deserves it also. He had brought the team to more World Series wins then any other manager for the Yanks in the last 35 years. And his winning % is outstanding. Absolutely he deserves his # retired.
And Jeter? Not everyone gets to wear the "C" for the Yanks. His numbers are solid enough and also he is one of the most loved members of the Yanks since "THE Captain" Donnie Baseball. They do not retire numbers based on performance. They do it for Yankees who were loved by the fans more then any others.
And besides, if you remember, Don Mattingly's numbers slipped a great deal in the last 4 years of his career and his retirement of the #23 was a no brainer.

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[BoondockSaint]

Ok if Billy Martin can be in there then I think Torre deserves it also. He had brought the team to more World Series wins then any other manager for the Yanks in the last 35 years.


You know Billy Martin played for the Yankees too, right?

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[Justice4all]

Yes I was fully aware of that, but he was retired more because of his manager status and not his playing status.

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[Jack_Doff]

Mo Vaugn are [sic] the only active players

Debatable, even when he was able to play.

"THE Captain" Donnie Baseball

Don't do that. Thurman Munson was "The Captain", the first Yankee Captain in 50 years or so. The honor kinda loses something when you dig back in your memory and remember that Willie Randolph was captain in the late 80's.

[Crippler]

Don't do that. Thurman Munson was "The Captain", the first Yankee Captain in 50 years or so. The honor kinda loses something when you dig back in your memory and remember that Willie Randolph was captain in the late 80's.
Sorry, J_D, but for those of us that are just a bit too young to have vivid memories of Thurman this is the way it is. Yes, for a little while George went a little nutty, making sure there was almost always a captain in place.

For a whole generation of Yanks fans, however, Don Mattingly is "our guy." Of course this generation didn't taste a championship until after his time, but the love affair with Donnie is just as strong as the one that existed for Thurman (minus the added feelings caused by his untimely departure). Mattingly just might be the most beloved NY sports figure since Mantle...and he makes the short list of all time beloved athletes.

Yankee Captains:

1912: Hal Chase
1914-1921: Roger Peckinpaugh
05-20-1922 to 05-25-1922: Babe Ruth
1922-1925: Everett Scott
04-21-1935 to 06-02-1941: Lou Gehrig
04-17-1976 to 08-02-1979: Thurman Munson
01-29-1982 to 03-30-1984: Graig Nettles
03-04-1986 to 10-02-1989: Willie Randolph
03-04-1986 to 07-12-1989: Ron Guidry
02-28-1991 to 09-31-1995: Don Mattingly
06-03-2003 to Current: Derek Jeter

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[Jack_Doff]

Sorry, J_D, but for those of us that are just a bit too young to have vivid memories of Thurman this is the way it is. Yes, for a little while George went a little nutty, making sure there was almost always a captain in place.


Well then you go down to Yankee Stadium and scratch that line off of Thurman's plaque. I don't remember Munson playing either, but the franchise seems to remember him as "The Captain", I guess I do to. It would be the equivalent of referring to Sheffield as "Babe" Sheffield and then saying well I can call him that cause I never saw Ruth play.

[Crippler]

Luckily, I won't have to because it reads "Yankee Captain." Much the same as Mattingly's make point of adding that he was "10th player in Yankee history to be named Captain."

But don't get me wrong, I understand that Munson was the identity of the team at that time & much more a part of what those teams did than just his numbers suggest. I just feel like Mattingly was just as big a figure at his time, minus the top talent teammates, championships (which is why he's overlooked at times), and tragedy.

Perhaps we could differentiate between the two in the future in this manner:
The Captain, Don Mattingly
THEE Captain, Thurman Munson

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[Jack_Doff]

I could definitely go for Mattingly was the Captain with the better porn star mustache. Does that help at all?

[Crippler]

See, now there's something we can agree on.

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[sensen7]

Continuing this topic, near and dear to my heart....
If Jeter continues the way he's been playing lately (or will play better, as in his first few seasons), then definitely his No. 2 will be retired. And were Torre to resign after this season (perish the thought!), his No. 6 will definitely be retired as well.
There's no way MLB will deny the Yanks permission to add Rivera's name to Robinson's: simply put, Rivera is the greatest reliever the game has ever known. Look at this season (51 saves, breaking his own Yankee record). Look at his career (most saves by a Yankee). Look at his postseason (microscopic ERA).
The jury is still out for A-Rod, who must prove himself year after year. But Williams has already proven he's a good player, but not a great one, so no to his no. being retired. If the Yankees retire Clemen's no. (which one? 22? 12? take yer pick), I'll boycoot all Yankee games remaining in my lifetime! And no to Paul O'Neill, who just wasn't as great as his potential promised he would be.
The Yanks should belatedly honor Lefty Gomez (No. 11), HoF pitcher with a fantastic undefeated WS record; and add Earle Combs (No. 1), greatest leadoff hitter (.325) in Yankee history and the first great Yankee centerfielder, and Red Ruffing (No. 15), who's won more games than Guidry and is second to Whitey Ford (both of whom are already honored). And have Torre honored in tandem with another great No. 6, Tony Lazzeri, HoF 2B overshadowed by the likes of Ruth and Gehrig.
Let's see, that makes it 19 numbers honoring 23 Yankee players and managers and one Dodger....

[newport king]

If Jeter continues the way he's been playing lately (or will play better, as in his first few seasons), then definitely his No. 2 will be retired.

They didn't give him that number by accident. 1-9 are all probably the greatest yankees ever. god i hate that team.

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[BoondockSaint]

Didn't they retire Red Ruffing's number this year? I know they had a Red Ruffing day. Maybe they just gave him a plaque?

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Babe Ruth was captain for five days?? What a gyp!! Right, Yellow-Head?




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[BoondockSaint]

Babe Ruth was captain for five days?? What a gyp!!


Yeah they took it away from him after he went into the stands after someone heckling him.

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[sensen7]

Quote: Didn't they retire Red Ruffing's number this year? I know they had a Red Ruffing day. Maybe they just gave him a plaque?

Not aware they gave him a day. Way overdue! Probably only got a plaque (also overdue). He wore several nos. (as follows) but wore 15 the longest. Since 15 is already retired, they would have to add his name to that of Munson to honor Red. So when did they have a Red Ruffing Day?

Ruffing as a Yankee (1930-42, 1945-46)
#21 (1930)
#18 (1931)
#15 (1932-42)
no # (1943-44: military service in WWII)
#22 (1945-46; released)
231-124 as Yankee, 273-225 lifetime--and a .270 BA to boot!

[SuperClerk]

Retired Numbers: (17)
1 Billy Martin 2B 1950-1957 MGR 1975-1978, 1979, 1983, 1985, 1988
3 Babe Ruth OF 1920-1934
4 Lou Gehrig 1B 1923-1939
5 Joe DiMaggio OF 1936-1942, 1946-1951
7 Mickey Mantle OF 1951-1968
8 Bill Dickey C 1928-1943, 46 MGR 1946
8 Yogi Berra C 1946-63 MGR 1964, 84-85
9 Roger Maris OF 1960-1966
10 Phil Rizzuto SS 1941-1942, 1946-1956
15 Thurman Munson C 1969-1979
16 Whitey Ford LHP 1950, 1953-1967
23 Don Mattingly 1B 1982-1995
32 Elston Howard C 1955-1966
37 Casey Stengel MGR 1949-1960
42 Jackie Robinson (Retired by MLB)
44 Reggie Jackson OF 1977-1981
49 Ron Guidry LHP 1975-1988


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[sensen7]

Does anyone think the Yankees should be granted permission by MLB to add Rivera's name to No. 42?

[Crippler]

He was grandfathered-in the right to continue wearing it, and it will be properly reitred for him & a pinstriped version will be hung with the rest of the retired Yankee numbers. They won't need anyone's permission.

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[FUNKMAN]

Does anyone think the Yankees should be granted permission by MLB to add Rivera's name to No. 42?


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[The Nature Boy]

I think Craig Nettles should be retired. It's number 9 and not like it's affecting anyone to retire it since it's already retired for Maris.

Bernie, Jeter, Mariano and Torre are LOCKS for retirement, O'Neill VERY likely.

The bigger question marks:

Winfield
Pinella(if he ever returned to manage, bank on it)
Gossage
Rightetti(my personal fave and I hope he goes up, probalby needs to come back and manage to get it)

Reggie really screwed things up, because if you retire him, you have to retire SO many more.

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[Crippler]

I don't mean to be that guy, but he is one of my favorite ballplayers of all time...it's Graig Nettles, and he was indeed the fucking man! But there's no way his number gets retired next to/with Maris'. You just can't put the two in the same breath.

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[East Side Dave]

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[sensen7]

I think Craig Nettles should be retired. It's number 9 and not like it's affecting anyone to retire it since it's already retired for Maris.

Bernie, Jeter, Mariano and Torre are LOCKS for retirement, O'Neill VERY likely.

The bigger question marks:

Winfield
Pinella(if he ever returned to manage, bank on it)
Gossage
Rightetti(my personal fave and I hope he goes up, probalby needs to come back and manage to get it)

Reggie really screwed things up, because if you retire him, you have to retire SO many more.


I agree: Reggie AND Martin really brought the bar down a lot.

Nettles--yeah, I can see that. After all, if you can't retire the greatest slugging and fielding 3B in the team's history....

Bernie--I can't see that one. Yes, his LT BA is above .300. But his best years are behind him and he never quite reached superstar status. (He has the misfortune of playing the same position as DiMaggio and Mantle, both whom had superior careers.) But I can't think of a more deserving person to have hit that walk-off HR and clinch the division than Bernie.

"King" George would never retire Winfield. The two had constant spats (not to mention a lawsuit Dave brought against the owner). And besides, Winfield chose to enter the Hall wearing a Padre cap.

I want to see Piniella return to the Yankees once Torre retires (but no hurry!). He would continue the team's winning ways and earn the right to have his No. 14 retired based on both playing and managing stats.

Both Gossage and Righetti would have to return to manage to even be considered.

My hoped-for list--my previous one was a "must" list--includes Allie Reynolds (#22), the double-no-hitter guy, and Vic Raschi (#17), with a .706 winning percentage that even beats Whitey Ford's (though Ford has many more wins). But I won't hold my breath on these two.

Anyone know which Yankee has worn the MOST numbers with the team?

[Crippler]

Anyone know which Yankee has worn the MOST numbers with the team?
Clyde King wore 6 different numbers during his three coaching stints with the Yankees from 1978-1988 (#40, 42, 48, 50, 57, 65)

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[sensen7]

Clyde King wore 6 different numbers during his three coaching stints with the Yankees from 1978-1988 (#40, 42, 48, 50, 57, 65)

True, but Art Jorgens (catcher) also wore six, all as player (1929-1939):
#32 (1st to wear that number)
#15 (later in 1929)
#28 (1930)
#10 (1931)
#9 (1932-1935)
#18 (1936-1939)
He has the distinction of having worn four numbers that have been retired (for others) and swapped numbers with DiMaggio during Spring Training '36.(Yep, DiMag, who wore #9 his rookie yr, originally wore #18 in his 1st ST. It's in one of his bios.)

If you count spring trainings, Mike Ferraro leads the pack, with nine:
#57 (ST), 43, 26--as player
#61 (ST), 64 (ST), 33, 34, 52, 44--as coach

Gene Michael also wore six as a coach, eight in all:
#17--as player
#28 (ST), 33, 39, 40, 43, 48--as coach
#11--as manger
If you don't count ST, that puts Michael's total at 7 and Ferraro's at 6, tied with Jorgens and King.

My records only go to 2000 and need updating. Anyone else know any Yankee who's worn six or more uniform numbers since 2000?