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Leadbottom
08-12-2004, 01:53 PM
The guy is a cretinous lying fraud. God Bless the Swiftboat guys who are speaking the truth about this traitor.
Heather 8
08-12-2004, 01:56 PM
*headdesk*
*headdesk*
*headdesk*
It just never ends with you, does it...?
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JerryTaker
08-12-2004, 02:53 PM
And now, for something completely different.... the truth. (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/06/veteran_retracts_criticism_of_kerry?mode=PF)
a key figure in the anti-Kerry campaign, Kerry's former commanding officer, backed off one of the key contentions. Lieutenant Commander George Elliott said in an interview that he had made a ''terrible mistake" in signing an affidavit that suggests Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star -- one of the main allegations in the book. The affidavit was given to The Boston Globe by the anti-Kerry group to justify assertions in their ad and book.
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08-12-2004, 03:23 PM
I like pizza, I like bagels, I like hot dogs with mustard and beer ... I'll eat eggplant, I could even eat a baby deer! La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la, who's that baby deer on the lawn there?
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high fly
08-12-2004, 05:46 PM
The guy is a cretinous lying fraud. God Bless the Swiftboat guys who are speaking the truth about this traitor.
Uhhhhh, let's seeeeee.
On one hand, we have about a dozen eyewitnesses who were within a few feet of Kerry and who testify to his leadership, heroism and judgement.
On the other hand, we have the accusers, upon whom is the burden of proof, who can only offer up hearsay second or thirdhand evidence.
So far, gotta go with the pro-Kerry testimony.
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high fly
08-12-2004, 05:53 PM
The guy is a cretinous lying fraud. God Bless the Swiftboat guys who are speaking the truth about this traitor.
You got something against a man who killed commies with his bare hands?
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08-12-2004, 06:49 PM
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monsterone
08-12-2004, 09:51 PM
where's his car lot?
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Yerdaddy
08-12-2004, 10:16 PM
Check in here if you're a conservative and you're embarrassed by Headbottom.
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08-12-2004, 10:18 PM
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CruelCircus
08-12-2004, 11:25 PM
And now, for something completely different.... the truth.
Not so much. (http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Elliot%202d%20affidavit.pdf)
Apparently, Elliott stands by his original sentiments. (http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231)
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JerryTaker
08-13-2004, 12:04 AM
wow, CC, did you actually read that whole factcheck article? It pretty much confirms the "swiftboat vets for bush" are liars
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high fly
08-13-2004, 12:41 AM
wow, CC, did you actually read that whole factcheck article? It pretty much confirms the "swiftboat vets for bush" are liars
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Sure does.
The ad agency is the same one that smeared John McCain in 1999/2000.
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FollowThisLogic
08-13-2004, 02:40 AM
Yep, I'm getting tired of this election.
Vietnam isn't gonna make a lick of difference when November rolls around. Stop trying to make it an issue.
Check out Kerry's Senate record, that's all you'll ever need to know about what he'd do <strike>for</strike> to this country. If he did manage to get elected, which I doubt, he'd still have a Republican Congress keeping him in line, and that would be the only way we all don't go straight to recession hell.
I like my money. I like to keep it. I'm voting Bush.
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Mike Teacher
08-13-2004, 03:09 AM
How much are used Limos?
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TheMojoPin
08-13-2004, 08:05 AM
The only thing more ridiculous than an alarmist, over-reactionary, "Bush is EVIL!" talking head is an alarmist, over-reactionary, "Kerry is EVIL!" talking head.
People, you sound ridiculous when you prop politicians up to be comic book super villains.
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Freakshow
08-13-2004, 08:10 AM
All the candidates are teh s uck.
I'm voting for Phil Gramm.
Again.
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TheMojoPin
08-13-2004, 08:30 AM
I'm taking several grams of something and inducing a coma come election day.
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08-13-2004, 08:50 AM
Check in here if you're a conservative and you're embarrassed by Headbottom.
Here.
And all the people who argue that Kerry is a national hero and all the people saying he didn't do anything are lying will always fail when this question rolls around:
What does his Vietnam experience have to do with the Novermber 2004 election and what he's going to do for me?
Answer: Nothing.
Give it up already.
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CruelCircus
08-18-2004, 11:38 PM
wow, CC, did you actually read that whole factcheck article? It pretty much confirms the "swiftboat vets for bush" are liars
I read it, and that's why I posted it.
I don't believe it confrims any such thing.
And for you to be able read it that way is simply shocking to me.
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JerryTaker
08-18-2004, 11:45 PM
what?
But the veterans who accuse Kerry are contradicted by Kerry's former crewmen. One of the accusers says he was on another boat "a few yards" away during the incident which won Kerry the Bronze Star, but the former Army lieutenant whom Kerry plucked from the water that day backs Kerry's account. In an Aug. 10 opinion piece in the conservative Wall Street Journal , Rassmann (a Republican himself) wrote that the ad was "launched by people without decency" who are "lying" and "should hang their heads in shame."
Elliott also says in that second affidavit, "Had I known the facts, I would not have recommended Kerry for the Silver Star for simply pursuing and dispatching a single, wounded, fleeing Viet Cong." That statement is misleading, however. It mischaracterizes the actual basis on which Kerry received his decoration.
The official citations show Kerry was not awarded the Silver Star "for simply pursuing and dispatching" the Viet Cong. In fact, the killing is not even mentioned in two of the three versions of the official citation (see "supporting documents" at right.) The citations - based on what Elliott wrote up at the time - dwell mostly on Kerry's decision to attack rather than flee from two ambushes, including one in which he led a landing party.
Elliott had previously defended Kerry on that score when his record was questioned during his 1996 Senate campaign. At that time Elliott came to Boston and said Kerry acted properly and deserved the Silver Star. And as recently as June, 2003, Elliott called Kerry's Silver Star "well deserved" and his action "courageous" for beaching his boat in the face of an ambush:
...and there's a lot more, but I don't want to quote the entire page. I dont see how you can NOT not read it that way
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Doctor Manhattan
08-19-2004, 04:01 AM
Would you buy a used car from John Kerry?
I'd sooner buy a used car from J.F.Kerry than from G.W. Bush. His administration (for which he is responsible) has lied to us and it's been proven mulitple times. R&F played a tape proving this at about 8:00 pm Tuesday night! They fucking lied!
Kerry served in Vietnam and two guys who got out of vietnam are attacking his war record.
You gotta hand it to them, Some set of BALLS.
George got out of Vietnam and into the Air National Guard but it can't be proven that he actually showed up for duty.
Dick got 5 deferments: Cheney's questioning of John Kerry's war record and his ability to protect America is "cowardly," doesn't sound like it came from someone who got five deferments during Vietnam stating he had 'other priorities' at that time.
Kerry ASKED to go to vietnam! He recieved multiple injuries which have come under question. But he was there to get them. And injuries in wartime aren't nessessary for a president in my opinion. I don't care about his purple hearts, but it proves he was there. W can't really prove he served in the National Guard (In Case Vietnam invaded Texas I guess he wouldn't have protected us)
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Recyclerz
08-19-2004, 04:56 AM
Washington Post: Military Records Counter Kerry Critic (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html)
I agree with the sentiment expressed here that we have more important things to consider in this election than who did or didn't do what 35-40 years ago. However, all the Bush desparados should know that this time around we normally pussified Dems are not backing down from the fight because the stakes are too damn high.
It is my fervent belief that the truth, objective facts over spin, will ultimately act like sunlight, garlic, wooden stakes, whatever it takes, to kill off this misbegotten regime and get them out of power.
Although I'm a registered Democrat, I've voted for Republicans before and probably will again. However, this particular unholy agglomeration of knuckleheads, plutocrats, social Darwinists, half-assed theoreticians, et al. has got to go.
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LordJezo
08-19-2004, 04:58 AM
Kerry is a war criminal and should be arrested.
At least Bush is a born again drug addict. Much better then killing civilians.
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Mike Teacher
08-19-2004, 05:05 AM
At least Bush is a born again drug addict.
I vote Mod Quote!
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Yerdaddy
08-19-2004, 07:17 AM
Kerry is a war criminal and should be arrested.
Alright, back that up with facts or shut the fuck up with that shit Leadbottom.
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TheMojoPin
08-19-2004, 07:19 AM
That ain't Leadbottom.
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Doctor Manhattan
08-19-2004, 07:27 AM
Would John Kerry be under attack if he had skipped out on Vietnam like Clinton, Bush and Cheney?
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Yerdaddy
08-19-2004, 07:28 AM
Leadbottom is now a pejorative. He/She is a Leadbottom.
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JerryTaker
08-19-2004, 09:03 AM
Kerry is a war criminal and should be arrested.
Kerry was a protester. It would seem to me that you neocons refer to that as criminal behavior to detract from your guy's DUI's, AWOL status, and connection to bank fraud.
of course, the neocons have been reading the polls, and getting really scared, which is where people like Leadbottom spawn from.
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Heather 8
08-19-2004, 09:07 AM
which is where people like Leadbottom spawn from.
Really? Would have guessed inbreeding.
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Doctor Manhattan
08-19-2004, 10:15 AM
...to detract from your guy's DUI<b>'s</b>, AWOL status, and connection to bank fraud.
More than one? jesus.
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LordJezo
08-19-2004, 10:39 AM
Kerry is a war criminal and should be arrested.
Kerry was a protester. It would seem to me that you neocons refer to that as criminal behavior to detract from your guy's DUI's, AWOL status, and connection to bank fraud.
A protester who went in front on congress and said he commited war crimes while in Vietnam.
edit: my mistake, it was during the Winter Soldier Investigation in Detroit.
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Doctor Manhattan
08-19-2004, 10:48 AM
Are War Crimes worse than Civilian Crimes (DUI)?
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LordJezo
08-19-2004, 10:55 AM
Are War Crimes worse than Civilian Crimes (DUI)?
I much rather do some coke as opposed to killing civillians.
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jeffdwright2001
08-19-2004, 11:04 AM
I much rather do some coke as opposed to killing civillians.
Why does it have to be one or the other?
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Here is the full text Kerry's Congressional testimony. (http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/VVAW_Kerry_Senate.html)
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LordJezo
08-19-2004, 11:17 AM
(Audiotape, April 18, 1971):
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?
KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
Source: Portion of John Kerry remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" May 6, 2001 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1077677/posts)
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A protester who went in front on congress and said he commited war crimes while in Vietnam.
Oh, I'm sorry, when did they rename Congress "Meet the Press"?
EDIT: I mean, not Meet the Press, but an interview with the Washington Evening Star.
And, of course, I wouldn't want you to include Kerr'ys response:
I don't stand by the genocide. I think those were the words of an angry young man. We did not try to do that. But I do stand by the description-I don't even believe there is a purpose served in the word "war criminal." I really don't. But I stand by the rest of what happened over there, Tim.
I mean, you know, we-it was-I mean, we've got to put this war in its right perspective and time helps us do that. I believe very deeply that it was a noble effort to begin with. I signed up. I volunteered. I wanted to go over there and I wanted to win. It was a noble effort to try to make a country democratic; to try to carry our principles and values to another part of the world. But we misjudged history. We misjudged our own country. We misjudged our strategy. And we fell into a dark place. All of us. And I think we learned that over time. And I hope the contribution that some of us made as veterans was to come back and help people understand that.
I think our soldiers served as nobly, on the whole, as in any war, and people need to understand that. There were great sacrifices, great contributions. And they came back to a country that didn't thank the veteran, that didn't-I mean, everything that the veteran gained in the ensuing years, Agent Orange recognition, post-Vietnam stress syndrome recognition, the extension of the G.I. Bill, you know, improvement of the V.A. hospitals, all came from Vietnam veterans themselves fighting for it. Indeed, even the memorial in Washington came from that.
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JerryTaker
08-19-2004, 11:31 AM
see, I like this because with every citation, every source, we get closer and closer to the truth.
Kerry was a soldier, he went to vietnam, and decided, because of his firsthand experience that he, as well as the entire American presence there, were ordered to commit war crimes, which is why he protested the war after coming back from fighting it.
The truth is staring us in the face, it's the Leadbottoms of the world that are trying to distract us, and they do a good job when they're rich and powerful, and own TV stations and newspapers.
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LordJezo
08-19-2004, 11:39 AM
A protester who went in front on congress and said he commited war crimes while in Vietnam.
Oh, I'm sorry, when did they rename Congress "Meet the Press"?
EDIT: I mean, not Meet the Press, but an interview with the Washington Evening Star.
And, of course, I wouldn't want you to include Kerr'ys response:
I don't stand by the genocide. I think those were the words of an angry young man. We did not try to do that. But I do stand by the description-I don't even believe there is a purpose served in the word "war criminal." I really don't. But I stand by the rest of what happened over there, Tim.
I mean, you know, we-it was-I mean, we've got to put this war in its right perspective and time helps us do that. I believe very deeply that it was a noble effort to begin with. I signed up. I volunteered. I wanted to go over there and I wanted to win. It was a noble effort to try to make a country democratic; to try to carry our principles and values to another part of the world. But we misjudged history. We misjudged our own country. We misjudged our strategy. And we fell into a dark place. All of us. And I think we learned that over time. And I hope the contribution that some of us made as veterans was to come back and help people understand that.
I think our soldiers served as nobly, on the whole, as in any war, and people need to understand that. There were great sacrifices, great contributions. And they came back to a country that didn't thank the veteran, that didn't-I mean, everything that the veteran gained in the ensuing years, Agent Orange recognition, post-Vietnam stress syndrome recognition, the extension of the G.I. Bill, you know, improvement of the V.A. hospitals, all came from Vietnam veterans themselves fighting for it. Indeed, even the memorial in Washington came from that.
Sounds more like his response is him being worried that what he said in the past was truthful and harmful to his career and is now trying to cover up for it.
So he gets a pass on his past actions and words but Bush gets fried by the lefty meida.
Oh well, it's to be expected.
edit: his statements were made during the Winter Soldier Investigation
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JerryTaker
08-19-2004, 11:43 AM
lefty meida
Hey, Don't talk bad about Lefty Meida, When I needed that thing taken care of, not the thing from the first time, but the other thing, Lefty took care of it...
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Sounds more like his response is him being worried that what he said in the past was truthful and harmful to his career and is now trying to cover up for it.
So he gets a pass on his past actions and words but Bush gets fried by the lefty meida.
Oh well, it's to be expected.
OK. We have person #1: Volunteers to go to Vietnam. Serves there. Wins a bunch of medals. Risks his own life to save someone elses. Is disgusted by what he sees there. Comes back and protests. Says some stupid shit.
Person #2: Has daddy get him out of Vietnam service. Is questionable as to whether he even fulfilled the little requirements of his guard duty. Can't get his life together until he's in his 30s.
Of course, none of this is relevant to being a good President. But, for some people, its not even enough to just disagree with a person's politics. You can't even respect the other man. It's not possible for him to be a war herol NO! He's a war CRIMINAL! He's human scum! And they will cling to even the thinnest, questionable evidence as if it were the word of God. And it's pathetic. And I'm done here.
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TheMojoPin
08-19-2004, 12:51 PM
Sooooooooooo...Kerry states several times he feels the actions he was ORDERED to engage in in Vietnam were equivalent to "war crimes," and that somehow makes him solely responsible, and some kind of villain?
Are people even reading/hearing what he said?
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Yerdaddy
08-19-2004, 01:10 PM
Person #2: Has daddy get him out of Vietnam service. Is questionable as to whether he even fulfilled the little requirements of his guard duty. Can't get his life together until he's in his 30s.
He also says he was a supporter of the war, but requested not to serve in it.
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CruelCircus
08-20-2004, 12:41 AM
...and there's a lot more, but I don't want to quote the entire page. I dont see how you can NOT not read it that way
Well, your first happy little blurb there is nothing but a "he said, he said" situation. And I don't know why you think there's some problem with me choosing to believe one vet over the other; after all, that's exactly what you're doing.
And as for the other cut-outs, there's still no doubt what Elliot's most recent statements are, which was the subject of all this to begin with. They don't say that anyone's a liar, except Rassman, and one etrernally grateful man's opinion doesn't "confirm" anything.
Plus, as an apparent Kerry supporter, you can't possibly be suggesting (with any shred of credibility) that you're going to condemn a man for saying something different now than he has in the past, are you?
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JerryTaker
08-20-2004, 01:17 AM
I don't know why you think there's some problem with me choosing to believe one vet over the other; after all, that's exactly what you're doing.
no, I'm beleiving the Vets that were actually in the situation that they're referring to, as well as the US Navy. Even John McCain came out against the swiftboat ads. Itake no credence in someone who's out to get Kerry because he was humiliated on the Dick Cavett show. Oniell has zero credibility, except for people grasping at straws to discredit anyone who dares disagree with the GOP.
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TheMojoPin
08-20-2004, 12:36 PM
This same group of ultra-conservative veterans went after John McCain and HIS service record and "family values" when he ran against Bush in 2000.
They tried to spin the fact he and his wife have an adopted African child as some ridiculous, "JOHN MCCAIN IS THE FATHER OF A BLACK BABY!"-type shit, like a "nudge-nudge, hey, look at what that WHITE guy is doing, fellow white guys!"
Awful.
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Heather 8
08-20-2004, 07:49 PM
Actually, the girl was from Bangladesh. Edited to add link to interview regarding his daughter, Bridget, and the "black baby" controversy. (http://www.dadmag.com/archive/060400jmccain.php) (and then re-edited b/c I'm a lousy editor.)
But hey, since when did Karl Rove, et al, let facts get in the way of a good mudslinging?
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TheMojoPin
08-21-2004, 06:36 AM
I thought they adopted one from Uganda...
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Leadbottom
08-23-2004, 12:35 PM
Its funny how much the Democrats are using McCains name. Maybe they are all closeted republicans!
FUNKMAN
08-23-2004, 06:14 PM
i'm on the fence with regard to Kerry talking about how other soldiers committed atrocities which i think most of us believe could be true... it reminds me of Serpico or Michael J Fox in that Vietnam movie
did anyone ever get in trouble or did Kerry ever testify against someone personally?
speaking out against the Vietnam war is okay for me... there seems to be 'alterior' motives by the powers that be and they are playing with people's lives...
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