HOW TO SAVE AMERICA!

[Leadbottom]

1. Support Traditional Marriage
2. Close the Borders now.
3. Deport all illegal immigrants now.
4. Eliminate bilingual education in all states.
5. Require health tests for all recent foreign born immigrants.
6. Make tax cuts permanent.
7. End Affirmative Action
8. Tort Reform - Stop Class Action Lawyers.
(courtesy of Michael Savage)

[Jack_Doff]

How can you leave out genocide? Let's be thorough and keep this place clean for us straight white folk.

[Mike Teacher]

2. Close the Borders now.


What about Barnes and Noble and Waldenbooks?


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[Mike Teacher]

Let's be thorough and keep this place clean for us straight white folk.

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Well Savage told the one caller, what was it exactly; "I Hope you get AIDS and Die, you Sodomite.' ?

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[LiquidCourage]

Savage is the man. I keep finding myself to be more and more liberal, but I still think he should be the President.

[TheMojoPin]

Savage only jumped on the ultra-conservative bandwagon when he saw the other "Righty" pundits making the bucks during the Clinton years. Before that, he was about as pinko as they come. Sure, people can change their minds all the time, but he pretends like that part of his life didn't even exist, and that he was ALWAYS a righteous, super-conservative "patriot."

And besides, how does he expect the above list to be paid for? Monopoly money?

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[LiquidCourage]

It wouldn't surprise me. I mean, he's always talking about his years of living with the natives of Fiji and stuff like that. I could see him being a big time hipster.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Before that, he was about as pinko as they come.
Get the hell outta here. Listening to his show, you gotta ask yourself, "Does this guy actually believe the crap he says?"

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[furie]

3. Deport all illegal immigrants now.


or we can follow Reagan's example in 1983 by making all the illegals, legal. Say what you want, it solves the alien problem, in a bureaucratic technical sort of way...


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[TheMojoPin]

Before that, he was about as pinko as they come.
Get the hell outta here. Listening to his show, you gotta ask yourself, "Does this guy actually believe the crap he says?"

Maybe that's his brilliant plan. He's still lefty-loosey secretly, and his plot is to sound as ridiculous and retarded as possible as a "conservative pundit," just to turn people against him and his ilk.

D'OH! IT BACKFIRED! HE'S TRAPPED!

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[furie]

i don't know if i agree with #8.


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[Def Dave in SC]

And besides, how does he expect the above list to be paid for? Monopoly money?


Why the Hell not? Thats what I used to buy my car...
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[TheMojoPin]

Dude, I'm riding a horse while wearing a tophat. You CAN'T beat that.

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[Leadbottom]

You bleeding hearts can't handle the truth. I'm sure most of you live in lilly white suburbs and it's easy to tell those who live among the savages how to live.
The truth hurts.

[TheMojoPin]

Are you reading from a script?

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[Yerdaddy]

Save America from what? Cheap labor, femullets, and old ladies with burnt vaginas? Here's an idea: learn to recognize ideological zealots and stop fucking parroting these Jim Jones wannabes and think for your fucking selves. Or America will be destroyed!!!!!1

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Fuck it from behind.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm still waiting to hear how ANY kind of marriage could possibly "save" this country.

Based on the Scott Peterson and Mark Hacker debacles, I'd say "traditional" marriages are more dangerous than ever...

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[Bama]

Not posting the crap that Savage spews might not save America but it surely wouldn't hurt it.

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[monsterone]

1. Support Traditional Marriage - fucking stupid. they deserve to as miserable as the rest of us.
2. Close the Borders now. - not a terrible idea, temporarily.
3. Deport all illegal immigrants now. - the blood of our nation; i rather a mexican clean my car than some hs kid. they do a better job and work much harder.
4. Eliminate bilingual education in all states. - eliminate culture. great idea. when's the book burning start.
5. Require health tests for all recent foreign born immigrants. - why? i thought it was manditory already.
6. Make tax cuts permanent. - corporate welfare is succesful as social welfare.flat tax is better.
7. End Affirmative Action - such a minor issue. does it really effect you? cuz it doesn't effect my lilly white ass from the burbs.
8. Tort Reform - Stop Class Action Lawyers - good for bad, it is still necessary. you can't outlaw stupidity.


honestly a stupid post. savage is about as brilliant as lickass. i bet you make the same argument, "if we allow gay people to marry, what's next? people marrying animals???" fucking stupid. they can raise children, why not allow them the tax breaks and such us straights get?


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[Mike Teacher]

3. Deport all illegal immigrants now. - the blood of our nation; i rather a mexican clean my car than some hs kid. they do a better job and work much harder.


Fucking A Well Told. I had a tree that had to be cut back, and my buddy showed up yesterday with a guy from Mexico, and this dude was polite, nice, and most of all, worked his ass off. He didnt know me from shit, didnt know if I was a Tipper or an Asshole [im both], but the way he was cleaning up after the excellent job; he got a nice tip; after which I started talking to him; nice guy.

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As to the blood of our nation; this I didnt know about until I did some reading; the nice Organic Strawberries, specifically, and many others come from Cali; and these Slaves, because thats what they are, they arent paid, they are given land to share-crop, thereby Owing the boss for the land, and a cut of what he can grow. Anyway they quietly subsidize an industry that so huge exactly because it can afford this cheap labor.

Reefer Madness by Eric Schlosser 'he wrote Fast Food Nation' has 1/3 of the entire booked called 'In the Strawberry Fields' about the Cali Strawberry Workers and it will blow you away.



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[badorties]

i can't stand opportunistic hypocrites ...

Savage Beatnik (http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=03/08/09/4107507)

Michael Savage's long, strange trip (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/03/05/savage/index_np.html)

RIGHT-WING SHLOCK-JOCK MIKE SAVAGE HAS A SECRET (http://www.radarmagazine.com/freshintelligence.html#)

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[LiquidCourage]

"or we can follow Reagan's example in 1983 by making all the illegals, legal. "

Actually, Reagan said that was one of the biggest mistakes of his Presidency.

"they can raise children"

What a joke that is.

[schmega]

Say what you want, it solves the alien problem, in a bureaucratic technical sort of way...

as well as a philosophical sort of way.

i'd like tort reform, but not eliminate class action suits. big companies should bleed a little when they decide to fuck strangers in the ass. i'd like a legal system where a losing plaintiff pays for the entire suit.

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[monsterone]

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[Sheeplovr]

Is Michael Savage the guy from Savage Garden cause id like to understand what chicky cherry cola is

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[silera]

"or we can follow Reagan's example in 1983 by making all the illegals, legal. "

Actually, Reagan said that was one of the biggest mistakes of his Presidency.
The biggest being arming Osama followed by aiding Saddam into power?


"they can raise children"

What a joke that is.

Your father did a great job.


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[keithy_19]

Can we be honest with ourselves? There is no way in hell we're being saved. The human race is damned. We might as well put on black nikes, sip cool aid and lay down and wait for the bright light of death. Let's give the cats and dogs the chance to start a civilization. Cats, dogs, and turtles.

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You first.

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Let's give the cats and dogs the chance to start a civilization. Cats, dogs, and turtles.
I tried that on Sim Earth once. Fuckin cats nuked the world.

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[keithy_19]

You first.


Of course. I've grown tired of living. And besides, I always liked to live by example. So go to Washington Rock in Watchung on sunday at 12 midnight. I'll do it then.

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[furie]

"or we can follow Reagan's example in 1983 by making all the illegals, legal. "

Actually, Reagan said that was one of the biggest mistakes of his Presidency.

i know, it was sarcasm. the last two amnesties have been just as big debacles.


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The biggest being arming Osama followed by aiding Saddam into power?
Osama armed himself and Jimmy Carter beat him to the punch when it came to helping Saddam gain power

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[Leadbottom]

The truth hurts huh?

[canofsoup15]

Can we be honest with ourselves? There is no way in hell we're being saved. The human race is damned. We might as well put on black nikes, sip cool aid and lay down and wait for the bright light of death.


Wow, someone has a defeatist attitude. Three-forths of the people on this earth aren't any different than you or me, but it just so happens that the ones that are (terrorists, government scumbags, leadbottom) all get the most media attention. With only bad people getting press (the papers, networks, internet news) you'd assume that everyone was bad, but everyone isn't.

With that being said the human race is in bad shape, but I don't see the badness in terrorism or wars or anything. I see it in the moral downfall of our adults and our youth.

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[monsterone]

The truth hurts huh?



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[LiquidCourage]

Speaking of being "saved", it's almost guaranteed I'll be swarmed by evangelists in about 2 hours when I go to dinner. I hate those bastards. They shove all these freaky propaganda pamphelets at me and everything, it's scary.

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[TheMojoPin]

Speaking of being "saved", it's almost guaranteed I'll be swarmed by evangelists in about 2 hours when I go to dinner. I hate those bastards. They shove all these freaky propaganda pamphelets at me and everything, it's scary.

Dude, check out the new issue of Rolling Stone. They have an article how this independent "charity" group harasses people who work for or go to abortion clinics, and then even all the people that do any kind of business with those patients/workers. Absolutely despicable what some will do in the name of the "Lord."

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[silera]

Osama armed himself and Jimmy Carter beat him to the punch when it came to helping Saddam gain power

Jimmy Carter? (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tehran/etc/cron.html)

Check 1979-1988.

I think Reagan was president in the 80's (http://www.msnbc.com/news/627355.asp?cp1=1#21)


The United States used the ISI in the 1980s to fund, train and arm the Afghan mujahedin, including bin Laden, in its fight against the Soviet Red Army.


Osama time line (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/etc/cron.html)


December 26, 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Bin Laden leaves Saudi Arabia to join the Afghan resistance (mujahedeen).




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[NewYorkDragons80]

Check 1979-1988.
For years he was the power behind the ailing figure of the president, Ahmed Hassan Bakr. In 1979, he achieved his ambition of becoming head of state. The new president started as he intended to go on - putting to death dozens of his rivals. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1100529.stm)
Reagan was sworn in in January 1981. Now, did that come before or after 1979?
The United States used the ISI in the 1980s to fund, train and arm the Afghan mujahedin, including bin Laden, in its fight against the Soviet Red Army.
Bin Laden had/has vast wealth and didn't need the CIA's training given the relatively primitive weapons he was using. Bear in mind that bin Laden personally funded the flights of hundreds if not thousands of Muslims around the world into Afghanistan. I just don't think he would've done that and suckled the "infidel" CIA's teet at the same time.
He received security training from the CIA itself, according to Middle Eastern analyst Hazhir Teimourian.
That's the only guy I know of who claims bin Laden directly met with the CIA. Anyone else who makes that claim is probably banking on his credibility. Given his views on Iraq (http://www.hteimourian.net/articles/recent_newspaper_columns/a06_baath_obituary.htm), I don't think you two have much in common. Given his views on Islam (http://www.newhumanist.org.uk/volume117issue4_more.php?id=212_0_9_0_M), it becomes clear why he would try to demonize the Mujahideen.

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[silera]

Assuming power and gaining power are two seperate issues. The US held Saddam's hand through Reagan's presidency.

I didn't say the CIA traing Bin Laden directly. I'm saying, Reagan's consistent and contradictory involvement with the Middle East fostered the distrust and hatred that led directly to the events of 9/11. I believe, that the clusterfuck he helped create in the Middle East is much more regretable than allowing people that wanted to be in the United States and loved it stay here legally and contribute to society.

Given his views on Iraq, I don't think you two have much in common.

Actually, I read that entire link and I think his honesty is refreshing.


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[silera]

Reagan simply sucked is what I mean.


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[El Mudo]

I'm saying, Reagan's consistent and contradictory involvement with the Middle East fostered the distrust and hatred that led directly to the events of 9/11


No, that was the fact we never really answered any terrorist attack against us, except to bomb aspirin factories so people would stop talking about the presidents girlfriend, and pulling out of Somalia abruptly, and doing nothing after the attack on the embassies or the Cole.

Its the fact we've made ourselves look like pussies around the world is why terrorists think they can push us around. Look at the liberal media pissing all over themselves now about Iraq....

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[Yerdaddy]

<a href="http://www.9-11commission.gov/" target="_blank">9/11 Commission Report; Chapeter 2, pg 55</a> (Excerpt from larger pdf. See full report for sources and notes.)

2.3 THE RISE OF BIN LADIN AND AL QAEDA (1988-1992)

A decade of conflict in Afghanistan, from 1979 to 1989, gave Islamist extremists a rallying point and training field. A Communist government in Afghanistan gained power in 1978 but was unable to establish enduring control. At the end of 1979, the Soviet government sent in military units to ensure that the country would remain securely under Moscow's influence. The response was an Afghan national resistance movement that defeated Soviet forces.

Young Muslims from around the world flocked to Afghanistan to join as volunteers in what was seen as a "holy war"-jihad-against an invader. The largest numbers came from the Middle East. Some were Saudis, and among them was Usama Bin Ladin.

Twenty-three when he arrived in Afghanistan in 1980, Bin Ladin was the seventeenth of 57 children of a Saudi construction magnate. Six feet five and thin, Bin Ladin appeared to be ungainly but was in fact quite athletic, skilled as a horseman, runner, climber, and soccer player. He had attended Abdul Aziz University in Saudi Arabia. By some accounts, he had been interested there in religious studies, inspired by tape recordings of fiery sermons by Abdullah Azzam, a Palestinian and a disciple of Qutb.

Bin Ladin was conspicuous among the volunteers not because he showed evidence of religious learning but because he had access to some of his family's huge fortune. Though he took part in at least one actual battle, he became known chiefly as a person who generously helped fund the anti-Soviet jihad.

Bin Ladin understood better than most of the volunteers the extent to which the continuation and eventual success of the jihad in Afghanistan depended on an increasingly complex, almost worldwide organization. This organization included a financial support network that came to be known as the "Golden Chain," put together mainly by financiers in Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf states. Donations flowed through charities or other nongovernmental organizations (NGOs). Bin Ladin and the "Afghan Arabs" drew largely on funds raised by this network, whose agents roamed world markets to buy arms and supplies for the mujahideen, or "holy warriors."

Mosques, schools, and boarding houses served as recruiting stations in many parts of the world, including the United States. Some were set up by Islamic extremists or their financial backers. Bin Ladin had an important part in this activity. He and the cleric Azzam had joined in creating a "Bureau of Services" (Mektab al Khidmat, or MAK), which channeled recruits into Afghanistan.

The international environment for Bin Ladin's efforts was ideal. Saudi Arabia and the United States supplied billions of dollars worth of secret assistance to rebel groups in Afghanistan fighting the Soviet occupation. This assistance was funneled through Pakistan: the Pakistani military intelligence service (Inter- Services Intelligence Directorate, or ISID), helped train the rebels and distribute the arms. But Bin Ladin and his comrades had their own sources of support and training, and they received little or no assistance from the United States.

April 1988 brought victory for the Afghan jihad. Moscow declared it would pull its military forces out of Afghanistan within the next nine months. As the Soviets began their withdrawal, the jihad's leaders debated what to do next.

Bin Ladin and Azzam agreed that the organization successfully created for Afghanistan should not be allowed to dissolve. They established what they called a base or foundation (al Qaeda) as a potential general headquarters for future jihad. Though Azzam had been considered number one in the MAK, by August 1988 Bin Ladin was clearly the leader (emir) of al Qaeda. This organization's structure included as its operating arms an intelligence component, a military committee, a financial committee, a political committee,

[HBox]

No, that was the fact we never really answered any terrorist attack against us, except to bomb aspirin factories so people would stop talking about the presidents girlfriend, and pulling out of Somalia abruptly, and doing nothing after the attack on the embassies or the Cole.

Criticizing Clinton for bombing terrorist sites to allegedly distract from diffculties at home:http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/topicicons/thumbsup.gif

Criticizing Bush for using terror alerts to allegedly distract from difficulties at home:http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/topicicons/thumbsdown.gif


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[silera]

Yes.

It was Clinton's fault because he was unfaithful. The Republicans, that controlled the house and the senate while he was president, knew all along that he should have been dealing with terrorism, but instead chose to focus on his shenanigans in the White House, so that they could now use the opportunity to say "We could have told you so!"

Clinton dropped the ball, in many respects, but the game didn't start with him.

Saddam, Pinochet, Noriega, Trujillo, Castro; if the US were a baseball team, we'd be the Mets.




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[A.J.]

Osama. Saddam.

Just two more examples of how our policy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" has come back to bite us on the ass.

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[HBox]

Just two more examples of how our policy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" has come back to bite us on the ass.

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Why the hell are you looking at me!

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These guys will save America...

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[El Mudo]

2.3 THE RISE OF BIN LADIN AND AL QAEDA (1988-1992)


Lesser of two evils at the time....hell, for example the OSS and CIA trained Ho Chi Minh and his people to fight the Japs...And any of those dopes in South America were preferable to a Communist regime backed by Cuber and the Soviets that would've done the exact same things...




It was Clinton's fault because he was unfaithful. The Republicans, that controlled the house and the senate while he was president, knew all along that he should have been dealing with terrorism, but instead chose to focus on his shenanigans in the White House, so that they could now use the opportunity to say "We could have told you so!"


So its Reagan's fault and Bush's fault, but not Clinton's fault? Didn't the Democrats run the House and Senate for like 50 years?

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[silera]

Clinton dropped the ball, in many respects, but the game didn't start with him.



"drop the ball" fail to do or complete a task, not follow through

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[Yerdaddy]

No, that was the fact we never really answered any terrorist attack against us, except to bomb aspirin factories so people would stop talking about the presidents girlfriend, and pulling out of Somalia abruptly, and doing nothing after the attack on the embassies or the Cole.

Its the fact we've made ourselves look like pussies around the world is why terrorists think they can push us around. Look at the liberal media pissing all over themselves now about Iraq....

Chapter 3, pg. 94

The Pentagon first became concerned about terrorism as a result of hostage taking in the 1970s. In June 1976, Palestinian terrorists seized an Air France plane and landed it at Entebbe in Uganda, holding 105 Israelis and other Jews as hostages.A special Israeli commando force stormed the plane, killed all the terrorists,and rescued all but one of the hostages.In October 1977,aWest German special force dealt similarly with a Lufthansa plane sitting on a tarmac in Mogadishu: every terrorist was killed, and every hostage brought back safely. The White House, members of Congress, and the news media asked the Pentagon whether the United States was prepared for similar action.The answer was no. The Army immediately set about creating the Delta Force, one of whose missions was hostage rescue.

The first test for the new force did not go well. It came in April 1980 during the Iranian hostage crisis, when Navy helicopters with Marine pilots flew to a site known as Desert One, some 200 miles southeast of Tehran, to rendezvous with Air Force planes carrying Delta Force commandos and fresh fuel. Mild sandstorms disabled three of the helicopters,and the commander ordered the mission aborted. But foul-ups on the ground resulted in the loss of eight aircraft,five airmen,and three marines.Remembered as "Desert One,"this failure remained vivid for members of the armed forces. It also contributed to the later Goldwater-Nichols reforms.

In 1983 came Hezbollah's massacre of the Marines in Beirut.President Reagan quickly withdrew U.S. forces from Lebanon-a reversal later routinely cited by jihadists as evidence of U.S. weakness. A detailed investigation produced a list of new procedures that would become customary for forces deployed abroad.They involved a number of defensive measures,including caution not only about strange cars and trucks but also about unknown aircraft overhead. "Force protection" became a significant claim on the time and resources of the Department of Defense.

A decade later, the military establishment had another experience that evoked both Desert One and the withdrawal from Beirut.The first President Bush had authorized the use of U.S. military forces to ensure humanitarian relief in war-torn Somalia.Tribal factions interfered with the supply missions. By the autumn of 1993, U.S. commanders concluded that the main source of trouble was a warlord, Mohammed Farrah Aidid. An Army special force launched a raid on Mogadishu to capture him. In the course of a long night, two Black Hawk helicopters were shot down, 73 Americans were wounded, 18 were killed, and the world's television screens showed images of an American corpse dragged through the streets by exultant Somalis. Under pressure from Congress, President Clinton soon ordered the withdrawal of U.S. forces. "Black Hawk down" joined "Desert One" as a symbol among Americans in uniform, code phrases used to evoke the risks of daring exploits without maximum preparation, overwhelming force, and a well-defined mission.


...pg. 97...

The experience of the 1980s had suggested to the military establishment that if it were to have a role in counterterrorism, it would be a traditional military role-to act against state sponsors of terrorism.And the military had what seemed an excellent example of how to do it. In 1986, a bomb went off at a disco in Berlin, killing two American soldiers. Intelligence clearly linked the bombing to Libya's Colonel Muammar Qadhafi. President Reagan ordered air strikes against Libya.The operation was not cost free:the

[Yerdaddy]

except to bomb aspirin factories so people would stop talking about the presidents girlfriend

pg. 117

The [Sudan] air strikes marked the climax of an intense 48-hour period in which Berger notified congressional leaders, the principals called their foreign counterparts, and President Clinton flew back from his vacation on Martha's Vineyard to address the nation from the Oval Office. The President spoke to the congressional leadership from Air Force One,and he called British Prime Minister Tony Blair,Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif,and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak from the White House.47 House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott initially supported the President.The next month, Gingrich's office dismissed the cruise missile attacks as "pinpricks."48 At the time,President Clinton was embroiled in the Lewinsky scandal,which continued to consume public attention for the rest of that year and the first months of 1999. As it happened, a popular 1997 movie, Wag the Dog, features a president who fakes a war to distract public attention from a domestic scandal. Some Republicans in Congress raised questions about the timing of the strikes. Berger was particularly rankled by an editorial in the Economist that said that only the future would tell whether the U.S. missile strikes had "created 10,000 new fanatics where there would have been none."49

Much public commentary turned immediately to scalding criticism that the action was too aggressive. The Sudanese denied that al Shifa produced nerve gas, and they allowed journalists to visit what was left of a seemingly harmless facility. President Clinton,Vice President Gore, Berger, Tenet, and Clarke insisted to us that their judgment was right, pointing to the soil sample evidence.No independent evidence has emerged to corroborate the CIA's assessment.50

Everyone involved in the decision had, of course, been aware of President Clinton's problems. He told them to ignore them. Berger recalled the President saying to him "that they were going to get crap either way, so they should do the right thing."51 All his aides testified to us that they based their advice solely on national security considerations.We have found no reason to question their statements.

The failure of the strikes, the "wag the dog" slur, the intense partisanship of the period,and the nature of the al Shifa evidence likely had a cumulative effect on future decisions about the use of force against Bin Ladin. Berger told us that he did not feel any sense of constraint.52


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[NewYorkDragons80]

Actually, I read that entire link and I think his honesty is refreshing.
So you agree that Iraq was partially responsible for at least the 1993 WTC bombing?

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[Yerdaddy]

Actually, I read that entire link and I think his honesty is refreshing.
So you agree that Iraq was partially responsible for at least the 1993 WTC bombing?

Honestly, I only skimmed the article but I don't remember it saying that.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Honestly, I only skimmed the article but I don't remember it saying that.
Yeah, my bad. That's this one:Islam after Manhattan (http://www.hteimourian.net/articles/recent_newspaper_columns/a01_islam_after_manhattan.htm)


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[Yerdaddy]

Is he just going off of Laurie Mylroie on that, beacause you know how I feel about her, (and unless you've altered your opinions on her, I know how you feel about her)?

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[silera]

So, thank you very much the United States, Britain, Australia and Poland for jumping into the ring. We all know - and approve - that you did not go to war to wind up the torture chambers in Iraq. If you made a practice of that, we would be at war for ever.


That's quite honest.

I didn't read the second article.




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[silera]

An honest opinion doesn't make a fact by the way.

Obviously, all reporting is skewed, but if I find something that agrees with what I'm thinking too much, I know there's something wrong with it.



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[Leadbottom]

America: love it or leave it!

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America: love it or leave it!


This has got to be one of the stupdest statements that I have ever heard in my life...I remember coming home from the service and seeing this on the bumpers of cars!!!

When I first came out of the service, I seriously considered emmigrating to Australia because of the things that I had seen...After a few years, I realized that it was the government that had made the mistake..not my country...My country is comprised by citizens that just want to make a decent living and raise their kids in the safest way that they can....but as far as "America...Love it or leave it"...I can't buy it...we all have to make our own choices!!!!

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[DemonPenquin]

1. Support Traditional Marriage

You're right, America should infringe on rights of the people. Going against what we were found on. Letting people be equal, all people (yes at the time that really ment white land owners, but times have changed). And how does traditional marriage save America? Does it make everyone happy? No.

I have never seen why people think taking away from the rights of other human beings is such a good thing. I dare anyone that believes against gay marriage to give a reason that makes people go "oh wow, you're right. That's not some religion feed bs, it makes sense".

And how do you define traditional? Many cultures have different types of traditions, if it means women staying at home while the hubby goes to work, then comes home and smacks the women for not having dinner ready then that asinine. Or maybe you mean the one where spoon feed religion psychos claim God will hate someone forever for not being able to help who you love. So they think its either their job to "save America" by going against someone's rights, or make them self "superior" to what they in turn would deem lesser people. All people who are against gay marriage because of religious teachings (which in my experience is all of em) are making gays and homosexuals out to be a lesser people. How? You give yourself rights the "lesser gays" cant have. Why? Cause some being you have no real idea if it really exists says no?

Hows this sound? This thing created the universe, as we know it, it created everything we see and hold dear. No you cant see it, and yes all the proof I have of it being real is my words and the world you see. This being you can never see, or even in your human life know if its there is real, trust me. My faith in this being proves it is. And nothing you can ever tell me will prove me wrong. Cause my faith is always right. Cause in my mind, the "Big Bang" theory makes far less sense than something creating itself and always being there. Its has all the power, knowledge and love you can fathom, and then some.

And in the entire universe, he takes the time to make sure I know people who love someone different than I do aren't allowed what I can have. Yes that's right, God has made his own people lesser to others. After all that's what a loving being does. He makes me love. I don't know why I love I just do. I mean after all, do you know why you love? Not the things you love, but why?

My guess is homosexuals don't know either. So what's makes them loving the same sex and not knowing why, any different than you loving the opposite and not knowing? You think you're better than someone? You think that because they aren't just like you, with your same ideals they are lesser? What kind of arrogant crap is that? "I believe the all mighty mystical ones words so I'm better. You, you are different than the all mighty mystical ones words, he says you are lesser! Forget all that love in the all mighty mystical ones books, he really means 'don't love them if they aren't like how I say'".

I hate church groups and their way of thinking God can answer all my questions, and fix all my problems. The way the Bible is the only book that is truth. WTF is that huh? More arrogance. Why is it that people worship Jesus, when they should worship God? Why is it that people follow the writings of man, when they should follow the simple idea of love? Is man not flawed? If so, couldn't mans words be just as flawed?

After all, one may claim they are the words of God, yet man wrote it. Man does a funny thing, we change the story. Ever play telephone? Notice how it NEVER stays perfect? Why is it that we laugh at the end of a game of telephone but honor the words of a book done like the same premise?

Does it really hurt that much to just let someone be who they are and love them all you can for it? What kind of pain is it going to cause you if a same sex group gets married? Are you going to fall over and cry on the floor? As the dagger of equality stabs you through your church filled heart. Hmm?

Let people be

[DemonPenquin]

sorry it posted twice by mistake.

This message was edited by DemonPenquin on 8-14-04 @ 3:16 AM

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America: love it or leave it!


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[NewYorkDragons80]

Is he just going off of Laurie Mylroie on that, beacause you know how I feel about her, (and unless you've altered your opinions on her, I know how you feel about her)?
I can't find what I said about her to be honest. At the very least, Yasin received asylum from the Iraqi government after the 1993 WTC attack. I also feel that al-Qaeda and Iraq were not the diametrically opposed nemeses that certain people would lead us to believe. Even if they were sworn enemies, the Middle East is the corner of the earth where sworn enemies can and frequently do cooperate.

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The Pentagon's New Map: War & Peace in the 21st Century. Esquire, 3/2003 (http://www.nwc.navy.mil/newrulesets/ThePentagonsNewMap.htm)

[Leadbottom]

If you vote Democratic you make Bin Laden happy.
Kerry is the modern day Neville Chamberlain.

[DemonPenquin]

if theres one thing I cant look past its Leads inability to either make a post with something to back it up, and his ignorance. Youre a disgrace sir and I bid you good day! I said goodday sir!

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[Leadbottom]

Get off your high horse. If we don't act fast the third world animals will take over and this once great nation will be gone forever.